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Speaker 1: Welcome to brief Recess. I'm Michael Foot, I'm Alissa Melbrand.

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Speaker 1: Should they We're going to talk about self loathing, pro

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Speaker 1: cultural identity, all the cruise ships that I hate and

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Speaker 1: the cesspools that they have haunted virus, how there's no

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Speaker 1: adults in control the JP Morgan Chase sex scandal lawsuit,

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Speaker 1: which turns out to be a hoax, I think. And

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Speaker 1: we're going to answer all your burning questions from the DM,

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Speaker 1: so stick around. Yeah, I was just making sure my

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Speaker 1: high straight.

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Speaker 2: Is that what it was?

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Speaker 1: Yes? It really was?

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Speaker 3: Okay, got it? Jesus complex?

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Speaker 1: Sorry all my self loathing. You know how I feel

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Speaker 1: about self floating the thing I don't have at all.

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Speaker 3: Clothing, no self loathing whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: No, I went to therapy. I figured it out. I

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Speaker 1: went to therapy this weekend.

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Speaker 3: How was that?

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Speaker 1: I needed like a check in because it's just a

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Speaker 1: lot of change in my life and it's been a minute.

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Speaker 3: Do you not go regularly and not anymore? Okay?

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Speaker 1: Because she was like, dude, I don't know why you're here,

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Speaker 1: Like I honestly enjoyed going.

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Speaker 3: She was like, because Michael is so well adjusted, it's

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Speaker 3: like I really thought I needed to go, and she

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Speaker 3: was like, there are people who actually need help.

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Speaker 1: Can you leave me alone? And I was like wow, yeah,

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Speaker 1: And she had done that like a couple of times,

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Speaker 1: and then I would come back and be like, hey,

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Speaker 1: like I'm struggling and we chat.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, so.

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Speaker 1: I went this weekend. She's gen Z. She looked me

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Speaker 1: in the eye and she said like, why did you

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Speaker 1: feel like you should even contact me?

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Speaker 3: Why did you you mean, wait, the first time at

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Speaker 3: all or this time?

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Speaker 1: This time? She was like, I don't know why you

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Speaker 1: really felt like you should even reach out to me. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: It's like, okay, I guess go fuck myself.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what the hell? I like?

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Speaker 1: And then she was like I'm not really hearing like

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Speaker 1: an issue here.

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Speaker 3: And I was like, she needs a therapist because she

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Speaker 3: needs what and you know what, she needs a gen

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Speaker 3: x one.

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Speaker 1: But it worked because I was like, you know what, pitch,

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Speaker 1: you do got this? You are good? You are fine?

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Speaker 3: Are you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I'd like leaving that call. I felt very confident.

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Speaker 1: I was like, she's right, I do have this. I've

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Speaker 1: got to figure it out. I do know what to do,

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Speaker 1: I do have the answers, I do have the resources,

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Speaker 1: and so it was kind of what I knewed, but

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Speaker 1: it was like a very gen z response. She was like,

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Speaker 1: she's like, how did you get this number? Why even

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Speaker 1: hear talking about self loathing? I know that's the real

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Speaker 1: thorn in your side. It's something that really gets under

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Speaker 1: your skin.

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Speaker 3: Raises your hackles. Well, when it comes to things like that,

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Speaker 3: I think, again, you know, my desire to know why,

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Speaker 3: like what happened? Right, what's going on? What's going on

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Speaker 3: in the home, or what's not going on in the home?

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Speaker 3: Is it a hug problem.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into a sidebar about self loathing.

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Speaker 3: And I actually would like to hear from people about

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Speaker 3: that for themselves, Like do you you is there anybody

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Speaker 3: who is self aware enough to realize that they are

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Speaker 3: self they genuinely don't like things about themselves that they

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Speaker 3: can't change, right, Like, well, I was going to say,

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Speaker 3: like their race and ethnicity, but then I'm thinking about

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Speaker 3: the conversation that, but like, you know, people who are

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Speaker 3: you know, they are closeted. There are people who truly

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Speaker 3: don't like who they are in terms of race or ethnicity,

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Speaker 3: to the point where they have now removed themselves from

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Speaker 3: their family. I told you this before. One time I

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Speaker 3: had someone say to me, and this was an Asian

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Speaker 3: person who said to me with a straight face, that

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Speaker 3: they were like a banana, yellow on the outside and

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Speaker 3: flabbers were gasted. I could not even it was as

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Speaker 3: out of all the problems I've ever had, I feel

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Speaker 3: like the minute I introduced myself high Melissa Albrant Haysian

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Speaker 3: and you do you know what I mean? And there's

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Speaker 1: To make me feel bad about my identity and.

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Speaker 3: Not at all, not at all. And so I don't

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Speaker 3: understand why you, as whatever it is that you are,

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Speaker 3: whatever it is that you are, You're Irish, you're Italian,

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Speaker 3: you're Jamaican, you're Ganayan, whatever it is, there should be

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Speaker 3: like you should feel good about that.

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Speaker 1: Right. What I'm hearing is that your issues with it

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Speaker 1: are really tied to identity, correct, and it's about mostly race, gender,

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Speaker 1: sexual orientation. I think, well, the banana common is insane

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Speaker 1: because there is so much self loathing and like white aspiration.

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Speaker 3: It is really interesting, right, it's I don't know, do

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Speaker 3: you watch Oh God, what is his name of that show?

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Speaker 1: Gilded Age?

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Speaker 3: Yes, the Gilded Age. So last year there was Felicia

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Speaker 3: Vishad came on last year, right, and she is from

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Speaker 3: this very prominent African American family and set in the

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Speaker 3: Gilded Age. And one of the things that she does

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Speaker 3: is her son is courting this other African American woman

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Speaker 3: who is dark skinned, Okay, and the whole season is

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Speaker 3: her trying to come to terms with it. And then

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Speaker 3: there's another part in this show where there are some kids,

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Speaker 3: And the whole thing about that is in the the

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Speaker 3: moment where people aspired to be if not white, then

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Speaker 3: sort of not stigmatized, not victimized. And I understand that, right,

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Speaker 3: but it's really interesting to me to see that that

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Speaker 3: Just tells me that I say this all the time,

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Speaker 3: and it just it makes me feel I know. The

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Speaker 3: other day we're talking about how I don't ever feel

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Speaker 3: bad for anybody, but actually I do. I do feel

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Speaker 3: really sorry for people like that, that you are not

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Speaker 3: able to look at yourself in the mirror and be

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Speaker 3: not talking about whether you're too thin or too fat

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Speaker 3: I mean. But like, you know, years ago, I had

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Speaker 3: remember feeling again, really really sorry for that. Like and

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Speaker 3: also what her kids would look like. And I gotta

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Speaker 3: tell you, I know it's so uncomfortable, oh so uncomfortable,

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Speaker 3: and I and I just really wonder today, what is

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 3: I do appreciate what it might have been like generations ago,

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Speaker 1: For me, it's like what self loathing it comes down to.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like what we're talking about here is self

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Speaker 1: loathing of any sort of minority.

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Speaker 3: Right, any sort. It's not just it's not just race.

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Speaker 1: And so the world already in so many ways tells

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Speaker 1: of color, when you're queer, whatever. So all of that

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Speaker 1: I think what I'm hearing is that like a lot

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Speaker 1: like people we know who are hiding their heritage or

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Speaker 1: In the queer context, is mask gay men acting as

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Speaker 3: So it's like, so you mean somebody who could pass

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Speaker 1: Looks like that that is very much the ideal. And

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Speaker 3: Do you think that that? Like, so, if somebody is

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Speaker 1: Based off like my lesbian friends. I think that there

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Speaker 1: us for so many reasons, like why don't you just.

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Speaker 3: Like what you're like, it's just.

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Speaker 1: This is the one thing you can control how you

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Speaker 3: But I think that that's what it is, right. I

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Speaker 1: Right. It's also an affront to me, Okay, other gay

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Speaker 1: people are like, oh, well he is too effeminate or

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Speaker 1: not mask enough. That pisses me off. And I think

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Speaker 1: it's the same for you. Where you see other black

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Speaker 1: you're actually doing harm to other queer people's and people

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Speaker 1: this colonial ideal.

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Speaker 3: I do wonder though, again, because I think that that

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Speaker 3: stuff is so deeply ingrained that I don't believe that

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Speaker 3: that people with that line of thinking believe that they

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Speaker 3: are being harmful.

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Speaker 1: Right, Right, But that's also why I won't engage with you.

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Speaker 1: If you are a copy paste chiseled up white dude

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Speaker 1: footballer in a gay bar and you're not talking to

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Speaker 1: like that, not that I won't talk to you, but

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Speaker 1: if I hear comments like that where you are sort

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Speaker 1: of maintaining that status quo, get out of here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I know. Do you not just grow up?

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Speaker 3: something that I mean? And is it possible? Right?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 3: We could, except that I fully admit that I am

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Speaker 3: Well, anytime I've ever seen images of a cruise. First

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Speaker 1: I think so too. Everyone's just going to be like, well,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to be the nineties all over again

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Speaker 1: Anymore, but parts OF's Kitchen are still Health's Kitchen. Kind

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Speaker 3: It was like eighties hairband. That's what he was. He

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Speaker 1: I heard a different one that there's an Australian lab

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, strain of it. They're robbing labs and stealing hint. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of robbing anyone. It's the it's the Irmez

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Speaker 3: So does she and she was, and I was just like,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't care that much about it. But it

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Speaker 1: Maybe I'll do some of my own some of my

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Speaker 3: I've never seen a bag that I have felt like, God,

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Speaker 3: I wish that I had the money to get this bag. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I actually went to my plastic surgeon this this weekend.

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Speaker 3: You did that last week?

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Speaker 1: Tell me everything.

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Speaker 3: I mean, So for anybody who who doesn't know, it

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Speaker 3: and I would like to do that, and while we're

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Speaker 3: done again. So he you know, I went to him

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Speaker 1: I always I don't want anything, but I do kind

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Speaker 3: I mean it was, and I like and I like

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Speaker 3: he was just like, oh, this is you're making one

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Speaker 3: dying and he just he was like doing something to

439
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,040
Speaker 3: me and he looked at me. He was like, I'm

440
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 3: making money of your jokes. Okay anyway, And I love

441
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,800
Speaker 3: people like that because I'm always trying to get people

442
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 3: like that to laugh, right, and so.

443
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 1: But he never has I injured myself at one point

444
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,639
Speaker 1: and I asked, Melissa, you know what do I do?

445
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,920
Speaker 1: And the response I got was from me, yes, I

446
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,440
Speaker 1: asked you about it, and you were like, well, why

447
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,440
Speaker 1: don't you just get a like these three procedures done?

448
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 3: And it was and you were like and you were like,

449
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 3: and no memory of it.

450
00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,120
Speaker 1: Okay. It was a couple of years ago, and I remember.

451
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 3: I remember being a bitch.

452
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, I brought this issue, like I'm

453
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 1: really worried about it, and you're like, why don't you

454
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 1: just get like four surgeries? And I was like, I

455
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 1: made the space that you're like, what are you talking about?

456
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,919
Speaker 1: And you're like, oh, sorry. You were like, I forget

457
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,879
Speaker 1: sometimes that not everyone throws themselves under the knife at

458
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:19,919
Speaker 1: the first inconvenience.

459
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I am. I come from a long line

460
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:24,880
Speaker 3: of people who don't mind going to the dot.

461
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, I forgot that not everyone has a

462
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 1: medical gurney in their living room so when they can

463
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,160
Speaker 1: sit up with a motorized Yeah.

464
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 3: I was like, I rented one of those chairs.

465
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 1: You told me. I was like, I don't have I

466
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,959
Speaker 1: don't have a medical physical.

467
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:48,920
Speaker 3: I rented the chair, but I needed it. I know

468
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 3: you did I couldn't cut.

469
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Speaker 1: Me open like a medical trust.

470
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Speaker 3: What is no, no, no, it was it was a chair.

471
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,440
Speaker 3: It was like it was a chair that it's the

472
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Speaker 3: chair because.

473
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Speaker 1: I can't sit up.

474
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Speaker 3: You can't make couldn't you couldn't like I couldn't like

475
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,119
Speaker 3: sit down. Right, So the chair met me where I was.

476
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 1: Get yourself a man who treats you like a medical

477
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 1: chair like.

478
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 3: The chair met me where I was. But we all

479
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 3: want to be met where we are, right, the chair

480
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 3: met me where I was. And then it's and I

481
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 3: had a remote control and it's slowly put me back

482
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 3: where I needed to be. It was great.

483
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 1: This is actually that's what my therapist said to me

484
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,199
Speaker 1: this weekend was find people that meet you where you are.

485
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Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like that's a good that's where

486
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 3: it's at.

487
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it ties into the self loathing too. That's beautiful.

488
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 1: That's and that's a beautiful Here we are a full circle.

489
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 1: Let's take a break. Okay, let's get into an under oath.

490
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 1: I want to talk about are you cool if we

491
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 1: talk about JP Morgan Chase in this guy's lawsuit where

492
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 1: oh yeah, have you followed this at all a little bit?

493
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,719
Speaker 3: And so when I first saw it. The first thing

494
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:55,360
Speaker 3: that I thought about is years ago, right years ago,

495
00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 3: there was a book called Disclosure by Michael Crichton that

496
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 3: was turned into a movie that starred Demi Moore and

497
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 3: Michael Douglas. I think it's like a watch early the

498
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 3: mid nineties and Demi Moore's character whose name all of

499
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 3: a sudden, I'm remembering her name was Meredith, And that's

500
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 3: random shit that I remember.

501
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 1: Is that weird? Why am I like that you can't

502
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 1: remember to text me back?

503
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 3: That's not true. I text you back all the time.

504
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 3: He's such a dirty liar. And it was sort of

505
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Speaker 3: similar to It just reminded me of it because the

506
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 3: Demi Moore character was harassing the Michael, she was the

507
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:35,959
Speaker 3: Michael character.

508
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 1: What was like the public's reaction to that? Because what

509
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 1: was this one?

510
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 3: Was this? This was while nineteen ninety four, ninety ninety five.

511
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder if it was, like I don't know,

512
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 1: I feel like back then, women harassing men were I

513
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: were probably like, yeah, well no I.

514
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 3: Don't remember, but I get the film that they were

515
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 3: just like that could never happen, do you know what

516
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 3: I'm saying? Like, I don't think there was a whole

517
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,640
Speaker 3: lot of nobody believed it because we were all really

518
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 3: aware of men harassing women, but this idea of a

519
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 3: woman harassing a man was sort of like, there's no way, right.

520
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 3: That's the first thing that I thought about when I

521
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 3: saw the closure. Closure Okay, so I read some of

522
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 3: the stuff.

523
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: Is just a quick overview of the case for people

524
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 1: who are totally unaware of what we're talking about. It

525
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: has now become a meme where people are so So basically,

526
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 1: this guy worked for JP Morgan as a banker cherau Rana,

527
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: and he filed a lawsuit accusing senior JP Morgan executive

528
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 1: Lorna Haginie of turning him into a sex slave. So

529
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 1: these are very serious allegations and everyone was quite concerned.

530
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: I think when they dropped it's a huge bank, the

531
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 1: allegations were vivid. They she was roofing him allegedly, there

532
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: was uh.

533
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 3: And some of the stuff that she says is like

534
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 3: some of the stuff that she is alleged to She says,

535
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 3: she said, correct that do you really think management wants

536
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 3: some Indian boy leading organizations? That's disgusted, Like, yeah, do

537
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying? And like and some of

538
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 3: the other if you don't fuck me soon.

539
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 1: Also, yes, they do want that, don't they. We care

540
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: about diversity all the time. Yeah, especially yeah, you know.

541
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 3: Just so I was reading this stuff and I was

542
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 3: just like, oh my god, if you don't have.

543
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 1: Sex with me tonight, I'm going to sabotage your promotion.

544
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 3: I mean that is, if you don't fuck me soon,

545
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 3: I'm going to ruin you.

546
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: That is like it's like written by AI. If you

547
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 1: don't fuck me soon, I'm going to ruin you.

548
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 3: Never never never forget. I fucking own you.

549
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: That really reads like not real. So this was This

550
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: was entered in a lawsuit. It was it was he

551
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: accused her of drugging him with Rufi's and viagra and

552
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: threatening to slash his bonus if he didn't comply. Like

553
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: these accusations were like extreme.

554
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 3: We've talked about this before, right, Sometimes people will do

555
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 3: things or say things, and then my response to it

556
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,360
Speaker 3: is not even like the outrageous thing that you said

557
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 3: or did, but it's more like the stupidity involved and

558
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 3: how you got to where you are, Like it's not

559
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 3: even like this thing. It's like, well, so like the

560
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 3: idea that this is the part that really got me. Right,

561
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 3: So the crazy plot twist. I am so concerned the

562
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 3: amount of people who don't recognize that the stuff.

563
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 2: That you google is there forever. It's there forever forever. Yeah,

564
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 2: any right, it's there forever.

565
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 3: So even if you delete it, you get rid of

566
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 3: your cookies, it's no, but it's there forever. Right. So

567
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 3: like if you are looking up ways to like kill

568
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 3: your spouse or looking up ways to do X, Y

569
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 3: and Z, do it on a friend's computer, right, go

570
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 3: to the library. I don't know. I'm sorry, but I

571
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 3: think I'm just really concerned the amount of people who

572
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 3: don't recognize that you won't be able to get away

573
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 3: with it because they're going to do a deep dive

574
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 3: and they're going to find out that you did this.

575
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 3: For example, this man went to ask a lawyer on

576
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 3: call dot com.

577
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: Oh Jesus christ oh no, and wrote all.

578
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 3: Of these things yes, and basically lifted the stuff that he.

579
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: Got from an AI chatbot and put it into this lawsuit.

580
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 3: Correct. And again it's almost like the people who are

581
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 3: still falling for the Nigerian print scam. Yes, like why

582
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 3: are you still falling for this?

583
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: And so it turns out that all of his claims

584
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: were very much indefensible and quite spurious. I think people

585
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: concluded none, none of this happened. She was like, I've

586
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: never even managed him, and like JP Morgan, Chase did

587
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: a full investigation and they couldn't find any actual evidence

588
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: that this happened.

589
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 3: He was just going after a payday, basically, think so.

590
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: But jpmore and Chase offered him a million dollars before

591
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: the lawsuit blew up. They offered him a million dollars

592
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: to make this go away, and he turned it down again.

593
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 3: And the thing is is that here's the problem with

594
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 3: stuff like this is that there will be a man

595
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 3: who probably has been or will be her currently being,

596
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 3: is now afraid to come forward because of people like this.

597
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 3: This is what makes me so upset, is because I

598
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 3: know that there will be somebody if it hasn't happened already,

599
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 3: and I'm sure that it has, who finds himself in

600
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 3: this position, and especially as a man who maybe is

601
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 3: being harassed by a woman, right, who would be afraid

602
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 3: to come out and say that this is what's happening

603
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 3: to him because of someone like this, and think.

604
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: About her as well, right, Because if there is nothing

605
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: that she did wrong, and this is just someone's wild

606
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: claims that they put into a.

607
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 3: Liver time she's googled.

608
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: I saw a meme. It was someone was sitting with

609
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: her across from her at lunch and took a photo.

610
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: In the caption was first day at work, lunch with

611
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: my manager.

612
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 3: Oh see, that's it's fucked up.

613
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: Actually yeah, because it's like, okay, this is like her

614
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: whole career. She maybe didn't even manage this guy, and

615
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: now he was like wild and made up these claims

616
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: and filed a lawsuit. If you want to file, if

617
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: you want to sue your employer for harassment or discrimination

618
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: after you're fired or while you're still working there, here's

619
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: how you do it. Document everything. You need screenshots, you

620
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: need text messages, you need emails, you need receipts. I

621
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: always people call me all the time and they're like,

622
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: my boss did this crazy thing. I said, great, email

623
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: yourself and copy your personal email address detailing what happened

624
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: on that day. It will be timestamped. Like you said,

625
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: Google history is forever, so's your emails. So email your

626
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: personal account saying Melissa said this to me on this day,

627
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: and it will be TimesTime with the date correct. Even

628
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: if you never use it, even percent of the times,

629
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: you will never need it, but you will have a

630
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: record of it. Even if you're just emailing yourself on

631
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: your personal email account, you then have a receipt record

632
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: of what happened. So the first thing a lawyer is

633
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: going to ask you, if you're going to try and

634
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: see your employer, how old are you? First question age discrimination, gender, race,

635
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: that's next protected classes. Then they're going to ask you

636
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: for documentation exactly what happened. They're going to try and

637
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: fit it into a couple different buckets. So one would

638
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: be hostile work environment. So we've got an environment that

639
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: you were just subjected to that was absolutely crazy, dangerous

640
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: for your health. We need to be able to show

641
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: that somehow right. So that's through your whatever emails, your documentation.

642
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: That's all the ye On this date, my boss screamed

643
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: at me and said, yeah, three a stapler. Whatever it is,

644
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: we know someone who threw a stapler. I do, that's

645
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: what we're laughing. But duck, if someone's throwing a stapler.

646
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 3: I'm just thinking about the person who's through the stapler,

647
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 3: pregnant silence anywayant.

648
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: Pause for the listeners. Dead air made the dead air

649
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: fill your lungs. So anyway, then you're going to want

650
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: to another way you could probably see your employer is

651
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: for discrimination, sure, or retribution, like right if you were

652
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: fired or yeah, so you would want to be able

653
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: to show that you were treated differently because of was

654
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: he did?

655
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 3: He did? He and I sort of stopped following after

656
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 3: a little bit. But did he ever come up with

657
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 3: any receipts at all?

658
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: JP Morgan, spokesperson said following our investigation, we don't believe

659
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: there's any merits to these claims. While numerous employees cooperated,

660
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: the complainant ree use to participate and declined to provide

661
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: facts that would be central to supporting his allegations. I mean,

662
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: his one receipt was his like lifelong childhood friend who

663
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 1: who is staying at his apartment and claims that she

664
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 1: was came over to his apartment one night and sat

665
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 1: next to him naked on a couch and asked if

666
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: you want to have a threesome. Like that's but this

667
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: is like his lifelong childhood friend who's corroborating his story. Okay,

668
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 1: but this is verifiable. Let's get the surveillance footage. Let's

669
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: get like her like uber account.

670
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 3: Right, like and if it's yeah, and if he lives,

671
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 3: this is this New York Yeah, then we see her

672
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,320
Speaker 3: coming in and out. There's no way in a doorman,

673
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 3: there's something.

674
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 1: You're on camera five thousand times a day in New

675
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 1: York City, Like, we can easily verify that.

676
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, So did it just eventually go away?

677
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,760
Speaker 1: Her lawyer denies everything.

678
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 3: Yeah.

679
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: I feel like there was an article that was like

680
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: this was not real, like it was literally made up.

681
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 1: But that was like the maybe that's like the public consensus. Right,

682
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: he he claimed that his father was dead or was

683
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: dying and.

684
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 3: Dead, and saw that he made up that his dad

685
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 3: was dead. Meanwhile, somebody went to his dad's house. Dad

686
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 3: was like, oh, he didn't tell us anything, and he's

687
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 3: a good boy. He's a good guy, my son, before

688
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,280
Speaker 3: closing the door. And here's the other thing about stuff

689
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 3: like that, right, my dad.

690
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: Would never say that. If you he'd be like who.

691
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,919
Speaker 3: But this is the thing that just kills me about

692
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 3: people and their stupidity. Right, you're going to lie, and

693
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 3: you need someone to corroborate this story. Tell them, tell

694
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 3: them if I want Michael to lie for me. I'm

695
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 3: going to say to him, Listen, I'm about to tell

696
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 3: somebody that I was with you. Okay, but you don't want.

697
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: To answer the phone. She's an incredible employee. She was

698
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: the best team member I've ever had.

699
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 3: But do you know what I'm saying, Like, if you're

700
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 3: going to lie, yeah, and you're going to need someone

701
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 3: to help you clue them in.

702
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah, everyone has the friend who's the fake reference.

703
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 1: Everyone has the friend reference had.

704
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 3: This person wasn't my friend, but I had a colleague

705
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 3: who was just like, listen, if you ever need a reference,

706
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 3: just call me up. And they were like, it doesn't

707
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 3: We'll figure something out. And I was like, okay. I

708
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 3: mean I never had to use them, but I was like,

709
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 3: but they.

710
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 1: That is like one of the best ways you can

711
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: be a resource to someone. I had a friend. I

712
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: got a call from the employer as their reference never

713
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: worked for me. It was for a dog groomer. Wow, Wow,

714
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 1: you gotta tip me off, babe.

715
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 3: She didn't tell you. But I don't understand. That's like,

716
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 3: that's like lying one O one would do. She wouldn't know.

717
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 3: I'm going to stand up for my girl. So she

718
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 3: would never do that, that Disney bitch, wouldn't she would.

719
00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: Wait. She texted me this weekend.

720
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, is she back in the States.

721
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 1: She was like, are you on your way? And I

722
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: was like where where are you? And she was like

723
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: literally the switch, she said, I'll pull it up, I'll

724
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: read it. To the wedding in Venice. Oh, I invited

725
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: you last week. You said you'd come. I was like, yeah,

726
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: I was joking, aroun'd going to Venice with you.

727
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 3: I would have gone.

728
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: Wouldn't that be fun?

729
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 3: And I like weddings.

730
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: I don't like Venice.

731
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 2: Do you like that?

732
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,439
Speaker 3: I've never been to Venice. That's why I would have gone.

733
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: It smells, it's hot, it smells its smell.

734
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 3: Why is it? Is it because of the it's like sewer?

735
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 1: Yeah?

736
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 3: Huh, I don't know.

737
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: I feel like a bunch of Italians are going to

738
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: get mad. Yeah now, but I actually think not that

739
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: many Italians live in Venice anymore. It's like ninety transplants. Oh,

740
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 1: it's like a lot of things.

741
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 3: We ruin everything. Get them straight to camera, get get

742
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 3: the bridging tunnel, get them like it's just like you

743
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 3: like when I lived in Flatbush, right, Yeah, there was

744
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 3: this place. It was like a Jamaican barbecue place, right

745
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 3: and you can smell it, right, and the jerk and

746
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 3: then a bunch of transplants moved in with kids and

747
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 3: whatever else, and they were just like, oh, it's too

748
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 3: it's too smoky. They were white, Yeah, they were white, yeah, yeah, yeah,

749
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,479
Speaker 3: And that place that had been there for twenty years

750
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 3: shut down.

751
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: Because it was too smoky. It's like a literal smoked

752
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: meat store.

753
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. But that's the thing. People move to places because

754
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 3: they like the edginess, they like whatever it is. But

755
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 3: then you move there and then you want to change it,

756
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 3: do you know what I'm saying? And that's why I

757
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 3: say that. And then transplants also make the rents go

758
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 3: up really high, and now people can't afford anything. How

759
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 3: a closet and a crackhouse is two million dollars, do

760
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying? And that's because transplants have

761
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 3: moved in. They don't they don't make it better. They

762
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 3: make it more expensive, and they make it exclusive, and

763
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 3: they make it so that the peapeople who were native

764
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 3: to the area can no longer afford to live there.

765
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 3: And that is why transplants ruined everything.

766
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: I went to Crown Heights to visit, not as a transplant,

767
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: thank you, And they had all the barbecues on the

768
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: street and it smells so good. Yeah it's yeah, it's

769
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: right by my friend's apartment. And I went and yeah,

770
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. Good.

771
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 3: So, I mean, so that's too bad about Venice, right,

772
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 3: So now that people who historically had lived there feel

773
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 3: like they can they've been pushed out, yes, by transplants

774
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 3: and tourists.

775
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: Like the tourist situation of menace is insane. Like the

776
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,240
Speaker 1: speaking of cruise ships. The cruise ships like are rattling.

777
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: The foundation of that is already thinking yeah, right, like

778
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 1: it's already struggle bus right exactly. It's like, yeah, and

779
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 1: now the cruise ships are like so many cruise ships

780
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: come in, all the tourists. It's it's a nightmare.

781
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 3: I still don't want to go on a cruise. It's

782
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 3: like a giant floating peachry dish.

783
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: I read something about all the garbage that is collected

784
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: on the cruise ships. They drop it at port along

785
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: the way, and these countries don't have infrastructure to handle

786
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: they don't all that trash. They don't, and so it

787
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 1: ends up polluting the island. The cruishive visits, all the

788
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: food is not from the local No.

789
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 3: It isn't community, and the food hasn't ever really looked

790
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 3: that good to me.

791
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: Like you're only spending money on the cruise ship, so

792
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: you're never actually supporting the local community.

793
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 3: And the other thing that's really interesting sort of we're

794
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 3: going to circle back to Haiti that and it's not

795
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,720
Speaker 3: just Haiti, but a lot of countries in the island

796
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 3: have sold portions of their country to the cruise ships,

797
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 3: so that now like so for example, in Haiti, Labadi

798
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 3: no longer belongs to no longer belongs to Haiti, but it.

799
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: Belongs to Royal Caribbeans somebody like that.

800
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 3: And it's and it's it's not forever, but it's for

801
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 3: a really long time. It'll be for like eighty years

802
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 3: or something like that. So like you're not actually supporting

803
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 3: the people of the area because that country has sold.

804
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 3: I have a memorialism.

805
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 1: If you're a cruise ship, go fuck yourself. I hate

806
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: cruise ships. They are always stupid.

807
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 3: Yes did you hate it?

808
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: Yes?

809
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 3: Why?

810
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 1: And I was like a kid, I remember being like

811
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: this is dumb. And I remember a kid, what did

812
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:16,399
Speaker 1: you not like about it being trapped? I'm a gay kid,

813
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: I'm already trying to survive, and now you're locking me

814
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,760
Speaker 1: on a boat with all these fucking breeders. They're disgusting,

815
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: including your parents. I remember, and I wasn't that bougie.

816
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 1: I remember being in that pool being like this is gross.

817
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 1: Oh that is sickening to even look at it. Yes,

818
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: it is soup.

819
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 3: It is people soup.

820
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: And I swim in the New York City YMCA is

821
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: like on a swim teeth, and that shit is nicer

822
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: and cleaner than your nasty cruise ship. If you're a

823
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: cruise ship, get fucked. That's my message for you. I

824
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: hate you.

825
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,439
Speaker 3: Well, I guess we're not going to get any brand

826
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 3: deals from any crews.

827
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 1: I don't want it. I'd rather be on the breadline

828
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 1: than take your dirty cruise ship money. Shove it.

829
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 3: Okay, let's take a break. The scruple is suddenly a

830
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 3: scruple that he's so scrupulous all of a sudden, Let's

831
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 3: take a break. I'm mad as hell.

832
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: Why I hate cruise ships? Okay, there's no redeeming quality

833
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 1: about a cruise ship. If you support cruise ships. I

834
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 1: don't like you.

835
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 3: Wow, Michael.

836
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is I'm taking a stand I see someone. Finally,

837
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 1: this is my normal, ray unionize, this is my I

838
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 1: took so many ana histamines today. I feel crazy.

839
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 3: Are you floating?

840
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: I am Jupidter welcome back to briefly says this is

841
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: tell us from the d MS. Don't message me if

842
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: you're a cruise ship. They wanted to get it. They

843
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:46,720
Speaker 1: wanted me to do stand up. I made a TikTok

844
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: about it, and they wanted me to do stand up.

845
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 3: But you're not a stand up.

846
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: I'm not a I'm not a stand up.

847
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 3: I mean, I think you're a funny guy. I do,

848
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 3: oh my god, But I mean you make me laugh,

849
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 3: but you make each other laugh.

850
00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: I don't have a set.

851
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 3: Do you think he do it? I could not, But

852
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 3: could you do stand up? Or cruise ship stand up?

853
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: I'm opening I'm opening what is it called CJ. I

854
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,919
Speaker 1: think it's called rat Scraps. It's a UCB improv show

855
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: that I'm going to open this coming Sunday. Actually, so

856
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 1: when says it's Thursday, come on Sunday. If you want

857
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: to see me in an improv show, there are actual improvisers,

858
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: not just me, So don't worry. I'm going to do

859
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 1: like monologues like they're going to ask me questions, will

860
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: be like this, like a Q and a okay, and

861
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 1: then they'll do improv based off the stories that I tell, right,

862
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: But it'll have actual improvisers. I think Jeff Hiller is

863
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: going to be there. I think, like real real actors

864
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 1: who know how.

865
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 3: To do that.

866
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: Not me, not little old me. But no, I don't

867
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 1: think I could just stand up okay, but never Okay.

868
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: So these are details from the DMS And what do

869
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: I always say?

870
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 3: Friends? While Michael is a lawyer, he's not your lawyers,

871
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 3: so find someone else.

872
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 1: Okay, these are okay, these are just ths, just some

873
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: quick comments because some of these comments are really funny.

874
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: They are from the fake assassination attempt episode. I haven't

875
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 1: heard a lot about that fake assassination after it happened. No, no,

876
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: it's almost like it was fake. Sydney J t f says,

877
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: my mom's meth recipe is a bottle of Mr Low.

878
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 2: What.

879
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 3: I love that so much? Okay, this was like my

880
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 3: favorite one actually from the Swedish Latina who facts checks

881
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 3: our GFx on YouTube that said slut spurt, not slut spurt. Slutspurt.

882
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 3: It's two words, guys.

883
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: Okay, it's two words of shame, the slut spurts. All right.

884
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: Someone wrote in and said they're listening to the episode

885
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: talking about limitations on murder. No statute limitations. Right, that's

886
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: why we have America's most wanted, Right, they're wanted forever

887
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: for murder. So ICE agents could get charged with a

888
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: different administration. Yes, that's true. My question is might be

889
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: better to wait until then so that Trump can't commute

890
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 1: any sentences given to an ICE agent for murders they've committed. Yes,

891
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: that's absolutely true. You nailed it. I will say that

892
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: the charges that are hitting Trump commutes sentences. That's what

893
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: presidents do, or they pardon sentences, not charges. So charges

894
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 1: are what they hit you with. It's a charging document,

895
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Speaker 1: it is. It's usually you get charged with like twenty

896
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: things if you commit a crime and then you plea

897
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: out certain ones, some charges are dropped, you argue certain

898
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 1: ones in court and pre trial hearings. So we've got

899
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: what two and a half three years left on his

900
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: term by the time Renee Goods murderer or Alex Prette's murderer,

901
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: any ice officers who committed homicide while serving as an

902
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: ice officer, yea, he would not be able to do,

903
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 1: like blanket immunity for them before he left office. Have

904
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: to be the sentence that he would commute. So that

905
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: is my understanding of it. And those folks are being

906
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Speaker 1: charged in state court, so that's sort of what's happening.

907
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: What the Feds can do, what Trump can do is

908
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: sort of do anything to hinder the investigation, right, so

909
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: they're tainting evidence, they're not turning anything over there, just

910
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:24,320
Speaker 1: completely trying to hamstring the prosecution, is my understanding of

911
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: those cases.

912
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Speaker 3: I wonder if we're just going to spend the not

913
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,399
Speaker 3: the rest of our lives, but like just administration after

914
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:35,760
Speaker 3: administration just undoing the things that the previous administration did before,

915
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 3: do you know what I mean? And it feels like

916
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 3: and while you definitely want justice for people, but it

917
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 3: feels like we're doing and undoing things all the time. Yes,

918
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

919
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like two steps forward, one step back. Sometimes

920
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: it's a bunch of steps back. That's why with antivirus,

921
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, are we going to learn from any of

922
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: our mistakes.

923
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 3: We don't learn anything. No, we really really don't.

924
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: They're like, let them off the boat, Yeah, let them off,

925
00:46:59,480 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: let them off.

926
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Speaker 3: Who cares?

927
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,879
Speaker 1: Let them off that shit? Yeah? Yeah? Do you want

928
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Speaker 1: to read the next one?

929
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Speaker 3: Hi, Michael and Melissa. I'm starting law school in the fall,

930
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Speaker 3: and there's so much noise with my peers in the

931
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Speaker 3: schools that I tour about big law or bus and

932
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Speaker 3: how I'm going to regret it if I pursue criminal

933
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Speaker 3: law or public interest work. My question is how, in

934
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Speaker 3: the various stages of your careers, you balance giving of

935
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 3: yourself and serving the causes that you value with taking

936
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Speaker 3: care of yourself and your own needs.

937
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Speaker 1: All right, let's pause there, because that's a big question.

938
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Speaker 1: So this is like such a great question. I love

939
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Speaker 1: this so much. I never went the big law route.

940
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Speaker 1: I never worked at a big law firm. So basically,

941
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Speaker 1: for those who don't know, in law school, you start

942
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: to sort of campaign to get these high paying jobs

943
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 1: in corporate law, and a lot of people do them,

944
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: and it's like very sparkly and they come and woo you,

945
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 1: and you've got to be at the top of the class.

946
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 1: For me, I always the way I always tell people

947
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Speaker 1: when they ask me, like should I go into big

948
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 1: law and like make a bunch of money? Should I

949
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: do public interest work? Like my advice is always like

950
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: figure out what works for you, and this is for

951
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 1: any career really, like figure out what is going to

952
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: motivate you to get out of bed every day, because

953
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to get out of bed every day

954
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 1: and it's gonna suck sometimes. So be able to look

955
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: at yourself in the mirror is what I say. I

956
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: have a lot of friends who went into big law

957
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: and a lot of friends who burned out, hated it

958
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: went on, like a couple of years after big law

959
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: went on big like finding myself trips around Asia, like

960
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 1: you know when people are they're starting to give the

961
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: blink twice if you need help sort of face, you know,

962
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 1: like it's a grind. And I think a lot of

963
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,320
Speaker 1: people go into those careers because they're like, I'm just

964
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 1: going to make a bucket of money, sell my soul,

965
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 1: get out and then do what I want. There are

966
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: no guarantees in life. There's no guarantees that you will

967
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: live to be one hundred. What happens if after those

968
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: two years you find out that you know there are

969
00:48:57,719 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 1: no other jobs for you to go do that, or

970
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: if there's a chain circumstance, stance in your life or whatever.

971
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:06,280
Speaker 1: It is like it's historical cliche like live every day whatever,

972
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 1: but it is kind of that sentiment. It's like, Okay,

973
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: if you are going to quote sell out, I'm not

974
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 1: really committing to that term. But if you are going

975
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: to do something you know you're going to hate and

976
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: not want to do just for the money, just know

977
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,800
Speaker 1: that that is valuable, precious time in your life that

978
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: you're taking and setting aside knowing you're not going to

979
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: like it. And I always really couldn't grapple with that,

980
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: and I was also privileged enough to not have to

981
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: make that choice.

982
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 3: You need to ask yourself if you can live with

983
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 3: whatever it is that you're doing.

984
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Speaker 2: Right.

985
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 3: So, I was not a lawyer. I was a pairalegal,

986
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 3: and it's very different. However, I was a paralegal in

987
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 3: big law firms and I was desperately unhappy, desperately unhappy.

988
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 3: I was sick all the time, my hair was falling out.

989
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 3: It was a lot of pressure. So as a pairalegal,

990
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 3: if that's the feeling that I had, I feel like

991
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 3: for associates, it's like tenfold, if yet more.

992
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 2: Right.

993
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 3: Also, there was a point where I was working on

994
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 3: cases where I felt like I was doing the wrong

995
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 3: thing for the wrong people. It wasn't illegal, but it was,

996
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 3: you know, it was sort of crushing the little guy.

997
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: Right.

998
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 3: Somebody would bring a case against a huge company, and

999
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 3: because this company had so much money behind them, they

1000
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 3: were able to outspend this other person. And usually what

1001
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 3: would happen was that other person would give up, not

1002
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,359
Speaker 3: because they were wrong, but because they had a run

1003
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 3: out of money, right, And that was almost the goal

1004
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:54,919
Speaker 3: weight them mouth because they're not going to be able

1005
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 3: to outspend us. And eventually, for me as a pair

1006
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 3: of legal I realize that this is not what I

1007
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:04,800
Speaker 3: want to do. I want to help people.

1008
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:05,919
Speaker 1: You're causing harm.

1009
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 3: It felt like I was causing harm, and so that

1010
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 3: is why I decided not to do that. And not

1011
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,479
Speaker 3: that people who are on social media are always telling

1012
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 3: us the truth. But every now and then I will no, no, no,

1013
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 3: just hear me out. Every now and then I will

1014
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 3: fall on an attorney who's working in big law and

1015
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 3: they're talking about a day in the life. Right. I've

1016
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,320
Speaker 3: seen those and these are people who are getting to

1017
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 3: work at say nine o'clock. They're not leaving me office

1018
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,919
Speaker 3: until like eight eight, nine o'clock, they're getting home, they're

1019
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 3: working until like two o'clock in the morning. Ye, and

1020
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,359
Speaker 3: then they're going back into the office the next day.

1021
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 3: Do you want to live your life like that?

1022
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, even if it's just for a couple of years,

1023
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 1: do you, like truly ask yourself that, is.

1024
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 3: That what you want to do? And you know, are

1025
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 3: the golden handcuffs? Is it? Is that enough? And maybe

1026
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 3: it is? And no judgment, right, and no judgment. If

1027
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 3: that's okay with you, then that's okay with you, and

1028
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,760
Speaker 3: it's fine. But if you are concerned at all about

1029
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 3: the quality of your life, yep. Do you want to

1030
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 3: be able to shut it off when you get home

1031
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 3: or not? Do you want to have a family? Do

1032
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 3: you want to be in a relationship? Do you want

1033
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 3: to go on vacation and leave it behind? So? I

1034
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:23,800
Speaker 3: think that these are questions that people should ask themselves.

1035
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,839
Speaker 1: For me, I'm like, I want to have fun at work.

1036
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 1: I know that's such a weird way to approach it,

1037
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: but I'm like, what I'm doing I need to be

1038
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: having some fun. That's how I'm approaching everything. Now. I'm

1039
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: writing emotion right now. I'm having so much fun writing

1040
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: it because I'm eating these bitches up fork knife, no crumbs, gobble, gobble, honey,

1041
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: miss Thanksgiving dinner. I'm eating them up. And it's so

1042
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 1: like it, truly. I can't wait to go home tonight.

1043
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 1: I'm going to be in bed. I will have a

1044
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:57,240
Speaker 1: sheet mask on and I will be giggling to myself.

1045
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 2: I'm serious, I'm lay waiting and I know that that's you,

1046
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 2: and I'm going to be cackling in bed.

1047
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 1: Well. Brad will be in the other room, like what

1048
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: is he watching? I'm watching myself, babe, I'm watching myself

1049
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 1: eat them up.

1050
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,320
Speaker 3: Let me ask you a question. When you were in

1051
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 3: law school, you never did a summer associate ship.

1052
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 1: Oh, I interned for like a law firm, but it

1053
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: wasn't a big law that's a big law associate thing

1054
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: that's like a.

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00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 3: Whole You didn't do it. No, yeah, no, no interest,

1056
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 3: nothing I was.

1057
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 1: I didn't know what it was, and so it just

1058
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 1: never went out for it. I just wasn't really paying attention, okay,

1059
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 1: and so and so it was happening and people were

1060
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,359
Speaker 1: talking about it and I was like, huh, I wonder

1061
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 1: what that is anyway? Should we get a hot talk

1062
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: for lunch? Like I just wasn't nothing was really registering.

1063
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 3: So I mean you you weren't interested.

1064
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 1: I wasn't interested. It didn't sound interesting.

1065
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 3: It's like like that like the drugs for me, right,

1066
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 3: it's not It's like I knew, I don't. I just

1067
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:01,439
Speaker 3: didn't care. It wasn't do you know what I'm saying,

1068
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 3: Like it's like, oh, not interested in that particular thing.

1069
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: Anyway. Thank you for sending in your question. That was

1070
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 1: really sweet. Oh and she also wrote that she hooked

1071
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:12,399
Speaker 1: her mom on this podcast this weekend and we drove

1072
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 1: around for hours touring law schools and oh my god,

1073
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 1: now I'm one straight fan, just one. Thank you so much.

1074
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Speaker 1: How fun touring law schools, d DM mae let us know.

1075
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 3: Let's let us know where you get in and what

1076
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 3: you want to do or someone we're legitimately interested.

1077
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 1: I love that, all right, Thank you so much. This

1078
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: has been tales from the DMS. Thank you for listening

1079
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 1: to Brief Recess. I'll see you in court or I'll

1080
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 1: name you in that motion.

1081
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 3: He's petty enough to do it.

1082
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Speaker 1: This has been an Exactly Right production recorded at iHeart Studios,

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00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 1: posted by me, Michael Foot.

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00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 3: And me Melissa Malbranch. Our producer is CJ. Ferroni.

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Speaker 1: This episode was edited by Nicholas Galucci.

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Speaker 3: Our associate producer is Christina Chamberlain and our guest booker

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Speaker 3: is Patrick.

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Speaker 1: Our theme song was composed by Tom Brifogel with artwork

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Speaker 1: from Charlotte Delarue Manessa Lilac, with photography by Brad Obono.

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Speaker 3: Brief Recess is executive produced by Karen Kilgareff, Georgia hart Stark,

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Speaker 3: and Danielle Kramer.

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Speaker 1: You can find me on Instagram at Department of Redundancy

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Speaker 1: Department or on TikTok at Michael Foot.

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Speaker 3: And I'm on both Instagram and TikTok as. Melissa Malbranch.

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