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Speaker 1: Hey guys, Welcome to episode three four with Matthew Ramsay

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Speaker 1: of Old Dominion talks about the origin of the band,

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Speaker 1: his career before music. It's a really good interview. He

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Speaker 1: drove over and his pretty normal truck. Still pretty normal guy.

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Speaker 1: Considering all the massive success he's had. He didn't seem

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Speaker 1: that rich, but he is. I mean, he can't write

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Speaker 1: all those songs. I not being I mean, the guys

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Speaker 1: normal dude. I like him a lot. And we spent

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Speaker 1: five minutes, fifty minutes talking, right, Yeah. I told Mike,

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Speaker 1: I was like, and I never know how long they're

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Speaker 1: gonna be. And I was like, it's gonna be about

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Speaker 1: I thought it was great. So, okay, here are the

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Speaker 1: top five releases this week. At number five, Kanye West

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Speaker 1: Here's a new song called Jail. It's twenty seven tracks,

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Speaker 1: a lot of tracks, and he even says the record

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Speaker 1: they will put it out without his permission. I don't

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Speaker 1: know what to believe. I think if that were the case,

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Speaker 1: they would have done that earlier. They would have that's

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Speaker 1: jay Z there made in the image of God. That's Selfie.

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Speaker 1: I still love Kanye. You're never gonna maybe not love Kanye.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you would have you told me

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Speaker 1: for I love Kanye. Number four. Lauren Elena has a

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Speaker 1: new album out called Sitting Pretty on Top of the World.

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Speaker 1: Here's a new song called here on Top of the World,

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Speaker 1: Sitting pay back tears, Playing It Cool but back Tears. Jacken,

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Speaker 1: Carrie Underwood, and Dan and Shay released a new song

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Speaker 1: from the Dear Evan Hansen soundtrack called only Us. That's

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Speaker 1: my third one, but Us. At number two, Cody Johnson

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Speaker 1: has two new songs out. One's called Treasure and here's

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Speaker 1: new country trio Restless Road have a new song out

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Speaker 1: called Headlights. Fun Fact Kane Brown signed them to his

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Speaker 1: record label back in Uh Funner Fact, they sent me

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Speaker 1: a bunch of shampoo like three days ago, really for

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Speaker 1: what I was at the opera and I went out

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Speaker 1: maybe the one of the singers. They're all singers, but

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Speaker 1: And so they sent me some really expensive shampoo. Nice. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: here's restless road headlights to have every summer and then

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Speaker 1: move side. See Si more new albums. Drake put out

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Speaker 1: his sixth album, Certified lover Boy. I've had no time

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Speaker 1: to spend with any of it yet, of you, I

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Speaker 1: was reading a thing that he has so many features

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Speaker 1: Jay Z Young Doug Future twenty one, Savage, Little Baby,

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Speaker 1: Little Dirk, not familiar with a little dirt the rest

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Speaker 1: of now. Elton John has announced a Star Studic collaborations album.

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Speaker 1: Was pretty cool as Jimmy Allen's on that with Miley

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Speaker 1: Cyrus Stevie Nicks do a leap at Charlie Pooth. Casey

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Speaker 1: Musgrave's announces a new tour she has hit in the

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Speaker 1: fifteen cities. I thought would be a little more than that. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: sec kick off. If you hear this on Friday, that

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Speaker 1: will be tomorrow on Saturday. Justin Bieber is now Spotify's

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Speaker 1: most streamed artist in a single month. He earned the

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Speaker 1: record of eighty three million streams in July. That's a lot.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's making so much money from streaming. Think

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Speaker 1: it's so much funny from everything post Malone's teaming up

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Speaker 1: with Yeager my Stir to help artists and venues that

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Speaker 1: took a hit from the coronavirus. And I think that's

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Speaker 1: it on the headlines. All right, here we go matt

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Speaker 1: Ramsey from Old Dominion. It's a great talk. Enjoy this

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Speaker 1: all right with Matthew Ramsey from Old Dominion. And I

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Speaker 1: guess the question is, before we start this and get

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Speaker 1: in depth, like what do your friends call you madam Matthew?

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Speaker 1: Like what do you feel most comfortable? It's both. I've

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Speaker 1: gone through my whole life with both. I mean it's

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Speaker 1: like if you meet someone though and they're like, hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm Jim. You are I usually say Matthew, But um

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Speaker 1: then there's there's been people that have that it feels

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Speaker 1: weird for them to call me Matthew. But like my

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Speaker 1: family growing up, Mom, dad, grandparents called me Matthew. For example,

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Speaker 1: Thomas Rhett. If someone calls him Thomas, he knows they're

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Speaker 1: not that close to him because his name is not Thomas. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's like, so the people that know me because it's

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Speaker 1: it's it's he's like t r Thomas rhet because that's

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Speaker 1: last name. So if they come up and they go, ey, Thomas,

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Speaker 1: I have I told you the story about So. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I was matt for a long time. My family was Matthew.

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Speaker 1: They all call me Matthew. Matt war all was on

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Speaker 1: my friends and everything. And then I was in Virginia,

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Speaker 1: you know, recording music on my own, and um, I

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Speaker 1: and then um, I gotta started getting some messages from

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Speaker 1: So um and people were like, I really like your music,

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Speaker 1: just heads up. So I started then to delineate Matthew

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Speaker 1: was just to set myself apart a little bit. Does

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Speaker 1: that Matt Ramsey still exist in a way that it's

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Speaker 1: still does? Well, no, it's not confusing. He actually has

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Speaker 1: another name, a more famous name, but he when he

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Speaker 1: performs a certain type of pornography, he goes by Matt Ramsey.

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Speaker 1: So so it's a fun fact. Yeah, I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to google him. Yeah you'll you'll get some interesting images

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Speaker 1: if you do. But when you were in Virginia making music,

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Speaker 1: about what year was that when you were when you

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Speaker 1: were dedicated to music, but you were not in Nashville.

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Speaker 1: That was probably two thousand and so you're years old? No,

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Speaker 1: I mean yeah, yeah, probably twenty. How would am I now?

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm actually forty three. So so if that's the case,

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Speaker 1: then why not move to Nashville? Then? Did you have

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Speaker 1: What was that plan? Let's say the music thing didn't

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Speaker 1: didn't choose music. I think that's the better question, Like

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Speaker 1: a career outlook? There? I mean there, you know, you

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Speaker 1: I talk to me like a dumb guy. Becau's what

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Speaker 1: stuff like that. So painting a picture on a canvas, Yah,

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Speaker 1: you can do that. Yeah, you're a good artist like that.

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Speaker 1: That was just that side of my brain is is

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Speaker 1: And um, and I'm I'm a strong writer, I think too.

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Speaker 1: was making enough money, um playing you know, gigs that

427
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 1: I was booking myself that I could go part time,

428
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 1: like regionally, so you'd booked drive a couple of hours

429
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 1: you need to or locally, yeah, I would play. I

430
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 1: would play all the surroundings basically the whole state of Virginia.

431
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,879
Speaker 1: And I made enough money there for about a year

432
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 1: that I could work part time, and luckily they were

433
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,960
Speaker 1: supportive and of me and let me do that. And

434
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 1: then moved to Nashville, and it took probably, i don't know,

435
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,399
Speaker 1: for a good five six years before I got a

436
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:02,479
Speaker 1: publishing deal with Phil Vassar, who allowed me to stop working.

437
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 1: So let me get this straight, just so our listeners

438
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,199
Speaker 1: they see the massive success of all Dominion, right, and

439
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 1: everything you guess put out is seemingly the world is

440
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 1: your oyster. Musically, for five or six years, you're talking

441
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:23,200
Speaker 1: about five times three and sixty five days you worked well, Yeah,

442
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,680
Speaker 1: and I still worked when I had that publishing deal.

443
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 1: I still had to find other means of income. But

444
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 1: it did loosen the it lessened the pressure a little bit,

445
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,439
Speaker 1: and it still was. I still went through that hole,

446
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 1: that whole publishing deal without getting any any song recorded

447
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,919
Speaker 1: or anything. So it gave me a little money, but

448
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 1: that was it. Is there a guilt that you have

449
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,199
Speaker 1: because I've experienced this when people have signed me to

450
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 1: certain projects that didn't do as well as I had hoped.

451
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,199
Speaker 1: Is there a guilt that you would have in a

452
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 1: publishing deal where nothing got record, did or cut? Guilty

453
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:09,120
Speaker 1: that they were paying me? No? Um, no, because that's

454
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 1: a that's a risk they assume. You know, most people,

455
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 1: most people that you know, if if if I signed

456
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:19,959
Speaker 1: a writer, I would sign them expecting nothing to happen

457
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 1: in the first like a few years at least. You know,

458
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 1: it's really just about learning at that point. So that's

459
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 1: all I was trying to do was learn, And I

460
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 1: was very upfront about that and with any any publisher

461
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 1: that signed me was I'm just trying to learn how

462
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 1: to write better. And most of them see that, they

463
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: see a glimmer of of talent. Most of the song sucks,

464
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 1: but maybe there's one line in there that gives them

465
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 1: some hope and and they can give you a little

466
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,400
Speaker 1: bit of money to keep going. So I never really

467
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: felt guilty about that. I mean, especially like I was

468
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,160
Speaker 1: saying earlier, I can go back and listen to those

469
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 1: songs and go see why in the time you were

470
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 1: like these are great? Why is no one recording them?

471
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: They're not great that you know. I had a lot

472
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:15,959
Speaker 1: of growing to do for sure. So you're writing and

473
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: you start to just write songs for a living. What

474
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 1: was the first writer, I won't even we'll say break

475
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,160
Speaker 1: that you earned. What what was your first break there

476
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: where you go, Okay, I'm not just now treading water,

477
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 1: like I might be able to have some real success

478
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,679
Speaker 1: with this. Yeah. Um, the first sign of hope was

479
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: guy named Steve Holly recorded a song that Trevor and

480
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 1: I wrote with our friend Matt Jenkins, And then, um,

481
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 1: really was watching my friends have some success. Was really

482
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: what gave you the real hope was is that because

483
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,120
Speaker 1: you knew that you could do what they do well,

484
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 1: I was doing what they were doing. I mean, we

485
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 1: were doing it all together. So it was like it

486
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 1: like Shane for instance, he came in and played um

487
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: remember he played us the demo for Somewhere with You

488
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 1: and Una, and we were just like, damn, like that's different,

489
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: that whatever that is is the next step. And we

490
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: even though we weren't writers on it, we knew that

491
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: that was going to change the game for all for

492
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: all of us. And even now when we watched Kenny

493
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 1: play it, like we sit there and go we none

494
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 1: of us would be here without that song because he

495
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 1: wrote that, Kenny cut it. It changed Kenny's career and

496
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: because of that, me and Josh Osborne and Trevor Rosen,

497
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: Matt Jenkins, Brandy Clark and you know, we're all in

498
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: that rider circle and we get we get to reap

499
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: the benefits really of of that exposure. So watching our

500
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 1: our each other succeed was really what kept us go.

501
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: And we're like, it's not like I'm doing it, but

502
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 1: it's weird doing it. You know what about first success

503
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: for you were a song actually good, a single like

504
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: a real life it's got a chance single That was

505
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 1: wake Up, Loving You Buy Craig Morgan. So that was

506
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 1: the first one. I can't remember. I can't remember Hot

507
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: went on the chart if it was top ten or not.

508
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:24,199
Speaker 1: But um, but it was close, which was you know

509
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: that's back then that's all you want, is like you

510
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: want top twenty and then you get that and you're like,

511
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 1: can you watch that? It was your first you are

512
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 1: you watching the charts everything back then? For sure? Watching

513
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: it all the time. I don't watch anymore. But when

514
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: you hear that at the beginning, the first time you

515
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 1: hear it actually cut, are you like, I like what

516
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: they did with that production? Or that was my alarm clock?

517
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: Actually it really was, Yeah, yeah I did. I did

518
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 1: that on the demo. I made a little home demo

519
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: of it with that alarm clock, and and they here

520
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 1: Theredith and then everyone who cut it after that, A

521
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 1: couple of artists cut it. Everyone used that A long o'clock.

522
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 1: Then it's just my A long o'clock. A couple cut it,

523
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: but they didn't put on a record. Um. I think

524
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 1: Keith Keith Anderson cut it, and I think it made

525
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 1: a record for him, but it wasn't a single. So

526
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 1: then what's the rule there? Because Eric Passley, who embuddies with,

527
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: he wrote Friday Night. I think Friday Nights sung. I'm

528
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 1: thinking of lady A cut it but on the record.

529
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: He then said, well he didn't use this single. I

530
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,880
Speaker 1: want to use this single one number one for him.

531
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 1: I want to be Oh friend, is there a rule

532
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,959
Speaker 1: that if it doesn't go as a single, you can

533
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: still probably cut it somewhere else? Sure? I mean once

534
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: it you know, once it is out, once somebody cuts it,

535
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: anybody can cut it. So so you can put it

536
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: out as a single anytime. Do you have to ask

537
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: for single rights? Though? No, only one? I don't think so. No.

538
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: I mean you do that one time, you give you

539
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: give the license out one time, and once you approve it,

540
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: it's it's a fair game. So you're telling me I

541
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: could cut I was on a boat. Yeah, put it

542
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: out of a single and then once it beat you guys,

543
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: is the best streaming song? That's just life. Yeah. But

544
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: we reaped the benefits of that, soot why good? Good

545
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: for us all? Like we all went there. Nice first

546
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: number one song you wrote say you Do for Dirk

547
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: Spanley And was that a rocket ship number one or

548
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: was that a we don't know if he's gonna cut it.

549
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: He did cut it. We don't know if it's gonna

550
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: be on the record, we don't know it. All of

551
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: them are like that. I feel like, um, that one

552
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: was you know, talking about breakthroughs and stuff that as

553
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: far as the writing that song, that was one that

554
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: I was sure it was something special. Really you knew

555
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: when you wrote it. Yeah, was there any chance you

556
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: were keeping these songs because old dominion was maybe if

557
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: we were a band at that point you signed. Uh No,

558
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: So even like wake Up Loving You was our like

559
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: show closer man, like, to let Craig Morgan have that

560
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: song was a really tough decision because at that point

561
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: it started to feel like maybe we were gonna We

562
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: were so far away from getting signed, but it felt

563
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: like maybe we were going to. Um So it was

564
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: tough to kind of let that one go. Say you

565
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: do wasn't tough for us because we we did play

566
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: that song and every show and um but at that point, man,

567
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: you know, we're just trying to pay the bills and

568
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: and we moved here to be songwriters anyway, that's what

569
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: we wanted, so um So it was awesome and and

570
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: he did an incredible job. There was a moment where

571
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: I was going to sing background vocals on it, but

572
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: it didn't pan out. Um, man, it was just an

573
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: exhilarating feeling to hear that song and watch that song

574
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: climb to get your first number one. Amazing. This chainsaw

575
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: from the Bam Perry wrote this one. Yeah, here's the

576
00:30:55,960 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: was it written as aggressive? It's way more aggressive. Our

577
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: version is way more aggressive. This one is the light

578
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: version of it. So my dad actually, my dad actually

579
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: made a comment one time about He was like, man,

580
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: your version is like, you know, I can kind of

581
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: picture you out in the woods, like with like frozen

582
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: snot in your beard, cutting down the tree. It's definitely

583
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: a lot more aggressive our version. Before we get over

584
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: to the old dominion stuff. Ecstasy from Sam Hunt is probably,

585
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: in my opinion, his biggest non single song. It wasn't

586
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: a single, but everybody knows it. Um, I wish that

587
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: was a single. One to me, I kind of had

588
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: to be reminded it wasn't a single. I'm a big

589
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: Sam guy. I like Sam away from work, you know, Yeah,

590
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: I love Sam at work, you know so, But I

591
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: love this song. When he cuts it again, he kind

592
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: of though, if I'm not mistaken, this was on the

593
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: pre Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Um, and Sam wasn't

594
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: Sam Hunt, Right, but did you when you guys wrote,

595
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: it wasn't written like Wow, this is different, like say

596
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: something like new Territory type stuff. I mean we knew

597
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: before everyone knew that it was you know, Sam Hunt.

598
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: Like writing with that guy, you're like, damn, this guy

599
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: is something entirely different. And what means, like just his

600
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: creative mind is is he attacks things at different angles.

601
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: So the things that come out of his mouth, you're like,

602
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: I don't know how you thought of that, but you know,

603
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,479
Speaker 1: even like with make You Missed Me, he throws out

604
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: a line like to keep a slip knot and the

605
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: strings you attached like something some obscure thought like that,

606
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: he can make seem very palatable. So just writing with him,

607
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: that was a moment where you knew something was big

608
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: was going to happen. So that song, it's funny like

609
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: he he overthinks a lot of things and to you know,

610
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: to his credit, it works, you know, but he, like

611
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: most people, you sit in the room and you write

612
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: and at the end of the day you got the song.

613
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: You can write for weeks and weeks and weeks on

614
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,239
Speaker 1: the same song with Sam, So that's what happened. I

615
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: never really knew the final version of Ecstasy until it

616
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: came out, Like I knew what I thought it was

617
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: gonna Were the other little changes that you heard in

618
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: it that you're like, well, I don't remember that at all. Yeah, yeah,

619
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: thats all like talking part at the end that there's

620
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: like a whole like kind of down bridge where he's

621
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: kind of talking and you look kind of cute and

622
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: all this stuff. I didn't remember any of that stuff,

623
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: But I mean it's amazing. Were you surprised to see

624
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: the explosion of him? Yeah, No, I mean I'm excited.

625
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm supposed to thee any explosion of anybody,

626
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: right because it's always so unpredictable of who it's gonna be,

627
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: when it's gonna be, on why it's gonna be yea,

628
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: And with Sam, it hits so hard, so fast, And

629
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: I feel like Sam is the most reluctant superstar that

630
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: I know, And when people are kind of bagging on him,

631
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, first of all, he's way smarter, way

632
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: more talented than you, and he doesn't because he loves

633
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: to be an artist, but he didn't want to be be

634
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: the guy out and people forget because everything now sounds

635
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: like m hunt, so it didn't. Then he changed it

636
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: and everything on country radio. Half of it is just

637
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: watered down Sam months Kenny save it for rainy Day.

638
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: I have this hook up here. When you write a

639
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 1: song like this, how quickly do you send it to Kenney?

640
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 1: This one you never like, I didn't know Kenny at

641
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: that point, and you never ever right aiming at a

642
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: certain artist. But this song has the like quickest journey ever,

643
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,439
Speaker 1: but a huge journey. But we used to write. Brad

644
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: and I and our late friend Andrew Doff used to

645
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: write every morning at nine in the not every morning

646
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: every week at nine in the morning, so we would

647
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 1: have double booked ourselves. We would write from nine to

648
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,399
Speaker 1: eleven and then we would go to our normal right,

649
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 1: So that morning I didn't have any ideas, but in

650
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 1: the shower on the way or getting ready to go there,

651
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: that kind of course popped into my head. So I

652
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: showed up and I was like, Hey, what about this?

653
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 1: And they were like yeah, And we wrote that song

654
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: in forty five minutes. And at that time, Brad was

655
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: making a little home demos and I kept kind of

656
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: egging him on, like, dude, you gotta make a demo,

657
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: and I was joking. I was like, man, you want

658
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 1: to Kenny Tesney cut or not, like make the demo.

659
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: So he was like okay, okay, and he made the

660
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: demo and um, sure enough, like we got it right

661
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 1: to him and he picked it up like it was.

662
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: It never happens like that, but that's the only time

663
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: that's ever happened is And then he went and recorded

664
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 1: it and the studio musicians told us they only did

665
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: one take of it. They played it and they were

666
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: moved on, so they thought, no way that's ever making it.

667
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: So we wrote it in forty five minutes. They did

668
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: one take of the recording session, and then it becomes

669
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: a three week number one songs. Pretty crazy, When did

670
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: your mindset change? And Okay, I'm an artist and I'm

671
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 1: you're always a songwriter. Yeah, but now like I'm the

672
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: guy and we're the guy. Is where we're looking out

673
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: for us first, because if we don't, nobody else is

674
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: going to Yeah what No. I think it was hard

675
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: man to even throw throughout the whole first album, which

676
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: was you know, two thousand, fourteen fifteen ish. Um, it

677
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: was hard for us to turn that songwriter switch off

678
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: and hold on to even song for another time, we

679
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: pitched two, We pitched at to Kenny Like at that

680
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 1: point we were still trying to We didn't know if

681
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: it was gonna work, but we knew we were successful songwriters.

682
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: So I mean, honestly, probably for me, not until the

683
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: last album with like Maga Sweet and One Man Band.

684
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: All that stuff was when I finally felt like we

685
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 1: as a band were confident in ourselves and we're able to, like,

686
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 1: you know, kind of live in our own skin. How

687
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: do you form a band five people? Right? How do

688
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 1: you form a band? I know how to form a band,

689
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: but how do you form the band when you've been

690
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: in town a long time? All you guys weren't righting.

691
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 1: It didn't seem like when I look back at the oh,

692
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: but I mean so with you know, when and I

693
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: went to middle school together and we're in competing drum

694
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: lines together, and then he was in a band with

695
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: Um Jeff all through college, and and Brad was at

696
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 1: the same college. They were all taking classes together and

697
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 1: playing music together, and Um and then I was going

698
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 1: and opening for their band. We just this is just

699
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: my guys that I've known for forever, since we were kids. So, uh,

700
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: those are the people that I always played music with,

701
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: so it wasn't very hard to like. We moved down

702
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: to Nashville sort of one by one. They were still

703
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: in a band. I was calling them trying to get

704
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: them to move down here because I was such a

705
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: fan of them. I knew they could come down here

706
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: and crush it. Then they broke up, moved down one

707
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: by one, and the other members of that band did

708
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: to their One of them in Taylor Swists Band, Um,

709
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 1: one of them. Um. There's another guy in Taylor Swiss

710
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: Band from the same group. Um, and one of them

711
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: plays on every country, he plays on all Sam stuff.

712
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 1: He plays along Dustin Lynch's music. And so everyone just

713
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 1: moved down there. I was right, they were super successful.

714
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 1: But you know, when I'm looking for someone to come

715
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: and play the songs I'm writing, I'm gonna call my

716
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 1: buddies that I've always played music with. And I guess

717
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: that was my question. You know, do you come to Nashville,

718
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: the Land of the Giants, and cherry picked the giants

719
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: or do what you did? You grabbed your guys who

720
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: were also really great, but they were your guys. Yeah,

721
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: I mean, at that point, you don't have access to

722
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,439
Speaker 1: the giants. You can't cherry picked them because the people

723
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: at the top are cherry picking them. So you gotta

724
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: make do you know, you gotta you gotta call your

725
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: buddies that will play for nothing because you can't give

726
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: them any money. So you know, you just kind of

727
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 1: roll with what you got. All five of you, guys,

728
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: were you in the all five of you in the

729
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: official like start of Old Dominion? Brad was not the

730
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: guy was mentioning his name is Devin Malone, who played

731
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: the studio musician here in town, was at the time

732
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: the original guitar player. And then, um, you know, at

733
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: that point we weren't making any money and but we

734
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: were touring like we were, you know, we were just

735
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: losing our assets. But um, and he started to be

736
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: asked to play on the road and in the studio

737
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: with some other artists, news paying his bills, and you know,

738
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: it's to the point where he couldn't make a bunch

739
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 1: of Brad started subbing for him a bunch. So the

740
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 1: time came where it was like, hey, man, are you

741
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: are you into this or not? And he was like,

742
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 1: I don't think I can do it, man. So so

743
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: he left and Brad was the was the guy. Was

744
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: Brad already making money as a songwriter? No, it was

745
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: too early on that that front for him too. Yeah, yeah,

746
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: he was just he was just starting to get into

747
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: the songwriting world and kind of make some noise. How

748
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 1: do you guys talk. It's so it's you're like the

749
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: elite songwriters out of old dominion. Let's just remove the

750
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: band old dominion, Like you legitimately have elite songwriters in

751
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: your band yourself that that didn't get together because of

752
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: your elite songwriting success. No, but you know, I mean

753
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 1: Trevor and I got together because of songwriting, not because

754
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: of the success, but but because he and I hit

755
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: it off as as co writers and friends. So we

756
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: had we knew we had something um and then we

757
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 1: just kind of built it from there. Same thing with Brad.

758
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: You know, Brad, we had a we had a sort

759
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: of friendship. We knew him, but we also knew was

760
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: extremely talented. But then we write with him and we're like,

761
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: this guy's kind of got the same thing that we have. So,

762
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: you know, it's just about finding your people and luckily

763
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: that our people are our friends. Are you able to

764
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: switch off front man of a I mean of my

765
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: favorite band of probably the biggest band in country music

766
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 1: right now. Are you able to switch that to dad

767
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: husband like that? No, No, it's it's been. Um. You know,

768
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: that's hard. That's that's been you know, quite honestly, um,

769
00:40:55,719 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: a challenge. So it's it takes some therapy, some work

770
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: to figure that out. I wasn't like I was kind

771
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: of stupid, um thinking about working on this the whole time.

772
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: I never thought about being like famous or like a

773
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: rock star or anything. I always thought about songs and

774
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: music and and and that being known. But I didn't

775
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: think about people wanting to know about me, and that

776
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: freaked me out, honestly. So kind of the beginning of it,

777
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: the first few years, it's kind of a mess of

778
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to handle that. Do you

779
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 1: like that part of it? Do you like being the

780
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: lead singer of Old Dominion? I have learned to. I

781
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: didn't at first, but I do not. I've I've been

782
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: able to kind of switch it in my brain and

783
00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: realize that that I'm kind of in the service industry now,

784
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 1: you know, like, it's not it's not about me, it's

785
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: about serving other people. I can, I can visibly see

786
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: what we are doing is affecting and helping other people.

787
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: So in when I can remember that, I absolutely love it.

788
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: Like it's there's nothing better than going out there realizing

789
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: that something you created from an emotion or or just

790
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: a grouping of words, it has a really big effect

791
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: on people. Then by all means I would not want

792
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 1: to be doing anything else. Can you guys do five

793
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: tour buses for all five members? We cannot. That's expensive.

794
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: But you got And I asked that now because again

795
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: in the last pandemic years weird to quantify. But like

796
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: you guys have you're the elite now right. You also

797
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 1: became very elite at a time when there was no

798
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,879
Speaker 1: money going around to which is which is an odd

799
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: thing because here you are don anating and you can't

800
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: really capitalize on what the success that you've had. So

801
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: no five buses yet? What we got three? I mean

802
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: we're all in the same bus. So um, okay, we

803
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 1: got listen. I think I'll be your business manager. It's time.

804
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: I's time to get another at least another bus. Here.

805
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 1: Our business manager right now is like, what what no

806
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: one bus? Please? But I mean we have I think

807
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: we're on three buses total with our crew and everything,

808
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: but but there's six of us on our bus, and

809
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: so it's the five of us and our tour manager.

810
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: It is a weird dynamic. And I'll speak from experience too,

811
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: because I've had the guys on my show for the

812
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: most part for ten fifteen years. Like I just grabbed

813
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: my people that had never done that before and was like,

814
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: let's go along for the ride together. Trust me, I

815
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: got you, and then at times they've had to have

816
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: me too. But there is always weird inner personal dynamics

817
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,720
Speaker 1: because everybody's still so different living human lives are growing

818
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: up on our show. I mean, we've got people get me,

819
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: getting married, if people have an extra kid. You got

820
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: with five people, it just like I'm dealing with that

821
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 1: five people. You guys have grown have adulted quite a

822
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: bit together. Do you do any sort of therapy as

823
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: as a group. We just got asked that, um by

824
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 1: someone else, and no, we we haven't done that. UM.

825
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 1: I mean it would probably be helpful, I think, but

826
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: we haven't gotten to the point where I don't think

827
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 1: we need it. Do you vote? We do vote. We

828
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: had like right in the beginning, we were sat down

829
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: with an attorney and he was like, Okay, we're gonna

830
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: come up with the system here of voting, and we

831
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: were like, we're never going to need that. And it

832
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: was literally like the next week, I want to play

833
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: just a clip if I was on a boat that day,

834
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: which is number ten right now, is we're recording that

835
00:44:50,800 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: living Son and Wrong. Just at this long of all

836
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: the old Dominion songs, seems, I won't say the most

837
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: fun has maybe the most love. There's a different feel

838
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: to it. You have other fun songs, but this one

839
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 1: feels purposefully a little more like, hey, we're just putting

840
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:18,919
Speaker 1: out a song to freaking have fun, like a little

841
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 1: goofy even exactly what it is, Yeah, is that is

842
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: does that happen in conversation? Like you, guys, we've done

843
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: the deep songs we've done, why don't we just put

844
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: one out that makes us go a screw it, man,

845
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: We're just have fun. Well, I think we weren't thinking

846
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: about that when we were writing it, but once we

847
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: had written it, it felt that for that reason, it

848
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: was like, you know, coming out of pandemic and all

849
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: this stuff, it was just like, man, let's just let's

850
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: just not even worry about let's just put a fun

851
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: song out. Let's and in the groove, you know that shuffle.

852
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter people dance if they don't know what,

853
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 1: they dance to that beat, no matter what song it is.

854
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: So it just felt like, man, we had so much

855
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 1: fun recording that song. Let's just keep that party going

856
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: because you know, there's no needs. We pride ourselves on

857
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: the happy sad mix. Easier to do a song like

858
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: that when you have the cred of success of really deep,

859
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: substitantive songs. Yeah, you know, as if you're putting out

860
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 1: a bunch of songs like that, people are like, well,

861
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: they're the goofy band. But no one's gonna take you

862
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: for the goofy band, right, But we are, you know,

863
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: inherently goofy. People like, we're goofy friends with each other

864
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: and we laugh constantly all day long. So that is

865
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: a big part of us. So you know, it's it's

866
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 1: I'm glad it's finally showing a new album on the

867
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:37,240
Speaker 1: eighth of next What number we are in? We're nine?

868
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: We're nine now, I guess the Pandemics also eliminated in

869
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,760
Speaker 1: the ability to know it's number month. It's impossible. October

870
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: would be October October eight time Tequila and Therapy. Why

871
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: that title? I'm sure you guys kind of mess around

872
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: with a few different titles. Why why those words? Yeah,

873
00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:00,280
Speaker 1: well those are lyrics from one of the songs. UM

874
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,720
Speaker 1: and we've you know, bounced around a bunch of different

875
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 1: titles for a long time, and finally that came out,

876
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: and what it did, It's the first time we all

877
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: five went immediately went that's it, you know, And I

878
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: think because you know that is man, that's that's old

879
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,399
Speaker 1: dominion in a nutshell right there. We've been together for

880
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 1: so long, there's so much time in history behind us.

881
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 1: And you know, tequila is a is a big part

882
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: of our you know, pre show ritual, and you know

883
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: we work with the tequila company, and you know that's

884
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: just kind of part of our culture. And um, and

885
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: the therapy has been a lot of therapy in the past,

886
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of years between me and a

887
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 1: couple other members, and and we're learning a lot about

888
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: ourselves and and you know, music itself is therapeutic, and

889
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: UM it just seemed like the perfect snapshot of of

890
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: what this whole album is. Did you ever have the fear,

891
00:47:58,120 --> 00:47:59,879
Speaker 1: because I did and struggle with it for a while.

892
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: Going to therapy was going to make you have less

893
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: of an edge, And I don't mean edges like a

894
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 1: bad boy, but I mean edge and creatively. I think

895
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: that thought crossed my mind some. Yeah. I learned pretty

896
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: quickly that whatever you know, I don't say demons or

897
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: darkness or whatever, whatever you're carrying around therapy isn't gonna

898
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:28,240
Speaker 1: make go away. So I'm always going to have that stuff.

899
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: I just maybe have the tools to deal with it

900
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: a little bit better so I can go back there

901
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:38,720
Speaker 1: and access that all I want. As far as creativity goes,

902
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: it's always going to be there, whether I wanted to

903
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 1: or not. I don't want it to be there, but

904
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: you know, I would trade all of that going away

905
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 1: for you know, I'm already successful, so I can say

906
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 1: that I'll lend on this. And being a Tory musician

907
00:48:54,440 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 1: is exhausting. Are you writing anything that's not maybe for

908
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: you guys? Yeah, um, you will just write and go

909
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: maybe we'll send this off. Yeah, I mean we do

910
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 1: that all the time. I mean, Brad just got he's

911
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: got the new um Keith Urvan Wild hearts with with

912
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:19,439
Speaker 1: Eric Pasling. Um, yeah, and I think we hold onto

913
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: him for a little longer. But for the most part,

914
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: the chances even still of getting a song recorded by

915
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: another artist are so slim, even even with our success.

916
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 1: It's gotta all the stars have to line up perfectly,

917
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: and so at this point we're just kind of like, yeah,

918
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: send it to him if if they if they like it,

919
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: great chances are there not going to and then it's

920
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: still ours. So the question that I would have then

921
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: is if you're writing for the sake of writing, I

922
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: would think artists would go, well, if I doesn't want

923
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: to cut it because I didn't think it's good enough

924
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: for him, probably, yeah, I mean, and that's all we

925
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 1: ever do is right for the sake of writing. We

926
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 1: don't try to write an Old Dominion song even we

927
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:12,240
Speaker 1: just write. But yeah, I think that probably is happening

928
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 1: some you know, I think, Um, you know, there's been

929
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 1: some talk about maybe recording demos without my vocal on

930
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: them so that people don't hear it as Old Dominion,

931
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah. I have a buddy who writes in

932
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: a different name at times for similar reason. Yeah, He's like,

933
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,760
Speaker 1: I don't want people to think that I'm only writing

934
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 1: and not cutting them because I think they suck or

935
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 1: not good enough for me, right, And it's just it's

936
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 1: just about whether or not it's right or not, you know.

937
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like you're gonna pitch a song

938
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 1: you don't believe in. Like I have plenty of bad

939
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 1: songs that I would never let anyone here. So if

940
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 1: they're hearing the song, I believe in it, and I

941
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: would cut it if it was the right song to cut.

942
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 1: So maybe it is for for the other artists. I

943
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: think we're gonna we're gonna end it there and listen,

944
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: I was on about the day is gonna be a

945
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 1: number one soon. I don't even I don't even need

946
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 1: to promote anything, like you've been generous with even coming here,

947
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 1: because you need no promotion. You guys just walk in.

948
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 1: It's turnkey. You got hit after hit. I think I

949
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: don't speaking candidly. I don't even like albums anymore. I

950
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 1: don't have the patience for them. And I know that's

951
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: that's not the comfortable thing to say in an artist

952
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:27,439
Speaker 1: community where people are still fighting. But I don't feel

953
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 1: like i'm I'm I feel like I'm gonna not get

954
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: to experience certain songs because I don't have patience for them,

955
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: and so I feel like I lose if somebody puts

956
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,280
Speaker 1: out an album. I'm getting to a compliment. Don't worry.

957
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I feel like I lose when someone

958
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 1: puts out thirteen songs because I don't invest enough time

959
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 1: that as much time as I should in all thirteen songs.

960
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: You're you're most people. I go through a couple of times,

961
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:52,919
Speaker 1: and the ones I like a swipe over and save,

962
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: swipe save um, and I'm not it's not fair because

963
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,959
Speaker 1: I would like to give it all the songs time. Yeah,

964
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 1: that being here, there's a compliment sory, like when you

965
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: guys put out an album, it's every every track, thank you,

966
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: and I don't. I don't say that to anybody. May

967
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,280
Speaker 1: I would say that to Mayor. But then Mayor started

968
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:14,399
Speaker 1: doing smaller practice, right, and we talked about that we

969
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 1: were gonna kind of split this up. I think what

970
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: the plan is for us instead is we write so much,

971
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: we're just gonna keep recording and make another one pretty quick,

972
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 1: I think. But I think you know, most people are

973
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,320
Speaker 1: like that. We just we like the music. We're just

974
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: gonna put it out. We have fans that will listen

975
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: to it and some people won't. We'll have, you know,

976
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 1: we'll have a few singles that people know, and that's great.

977
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: That's the same as any other album. You know, So

978
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: do a concept album. That's what I want from all

979
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,320
Speaker 1: the concept. I don't even know what the concept was,

980
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know what the concept is. But

981
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 1: nineteen twenties, that's where we need to bring wit in all.

982
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,919
Speaker 1: That's when his mind would would be that he would

983
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: set the concept like a cool old Dominion concept album

984
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: about eight try so you tell me a story. It's

985
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 1: the wall. I just like one day. That's like the

986
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 1: announcement is all Dominions doing. It's it's about dinosaurs. What dinosaurs?

987
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 1: I'm here for this, Okay, listen, Hey, thank you very much.

988
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,399
Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming vibe. I know, um you're doing

989
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: a lot so to spend a little time here. We

990
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 1: appreciate it. You guys can follow all Dominion music on

991
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: Instagram or empt Ramsey. Um. That's that's that's Matt's private account,

992
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: all right, I guess not private public but account yea

993
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:31,959
Speaker 1: which everyone Yeah, yeah, the private private account. The only

994
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,919
Speaker 1: I have. That's the other metory, all right, thanks Matt,