Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Dave Pash Podcast. For
Speaker 1: the second time, we have multiple guests on the Dave
Speaker 1: Pash Podcast. The first time we had Steve Levy and
Speaker 1: Brian Greasy, two members of the ESPN Monday Night Football Proof.
Speaker 1: This week we have two former Arizona Cardinal quarterbacks. They
Speaker 1: were teammates on the twenty fifteen Cardinal team that went
Speaker 1: to the NFC Championship. Carson Palmer, who was recently inducted
Speaker 1: into the College Football Hall of Fame, and Drew Stanton,
Speaker 1: who currently is a member of the Cardinals broadcast team
Speaker 1: and has a Super Bowl ring being part of the
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Buccaneers run to the championship last year. We
Speaker 1: get into a lot of stuff here on this podcast,
Speaker 1: including some of the fund that they had back in
Speaker 1: the day playing for Bruce Arians. They used to have
Speaker 1: this game where they would throw a football into a
Speaker 1: trash bin and the loser would have to wear some
Speaker 1: crazy costume that was picked out by the winner. Carson
Speaker 1: and Drew will talk about some of their most embarrassing
Speaker 1: costumes and some of their favorite costumes from back in
Speaker 1: the day. It was a full polyester merman outfit. That's right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and nipples were hanging out. Plus the dance that made
Speaker 1: Drew Stanton famous, where did it come from? And what's
Speaker 1: their reaction to what Drew did on the sideline that
Speaker 1: the cameras happened to catch during a Cardinals win against
Speaker 1: the Seattle Seahawks. There was no rehearsal. That was raw
Speaker 1: emotion and like, those are my three moves, and they'll
Speaker 1: they'll come out at various times. They just all happen
Speaker 1: to come out at once, like something just got spit out,
Speaker 1: like somebody threw up. Drew and Carson also talk about
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty one Arizona Cardinals and whether they can
Speaker 1: make a deep run in the playoffs, plus their thoughts
Speaker 1: on Kyler Murray and where he is in year three
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Speaker 1: eight hundred. Next step. Here they are former Cardinal quarterbacks
Speaker 1: Carson Palmer, College Football Hall of Fame inductee and Super
Speaker 1: Bowl champion Drew stand So, guys. One of the reasons
Speaker 1: I wanted to have you guys on together, I think
Speaker 1: this is episode twenty one. We've only done one other
Speaker 1: where we had multiple people on, and it was the
Speaker 1: Monday Night Football Crew. One of the reasons I wanted
Speaker 1: to get both of you together there is first of all,
Speaker 1: because of your relationship, but also how much of both
Speaker 1: of you meant to the Cardinals. Carson, Obviously, yours was
Speaker 1: more tangible being in the Ring of honor being the
Speaker 1: quarterback of the NFC Championship game team. But Drew, you
Speaker 1: played obviously a big role in several games on the field,
Speaker 1: but also just your presence and your leadership and being
Speaker 1: a big part what the Cardinals accomplished over a five
Speaker 1: year span. When I decided to do this and I
Speaker 1: reached out to Drew to get his take on whether
Speaker 1: you'd be interested, he said, yeah, I think Carson will
Speaker 1: be interested. I said, okay, I'll text him. You didn't respond,
Speaker 1: and Drew said, don't worry about it. He'll get back
Speaker 1: to It. Might take a while, but he's a little
Speaker 1: off the grid, but he'll get back to you. So
Speaker 1: I know you're in Idaho, Carson. What all you up
Speaker 1: to these days? Well, I mean outside of chasing four
Speaker 1: kids around and coaching two sports and just all the
Speaker 1: kid load that comes. Just I have a bunch of stuff.
Speaker 1: I got my hands and a number of different kind
Speaker 1: of small things and whether it's brand representation for a
Speaker 1: couple of different brands, real estate development, a couple of
Speaker 1: different charity initiatives going, they're all things that I can
Speaker 1: juggle with my everyday life. They're non you know, full
Speaker 1: day commitments four days a week. Everything has a very
Speaker 1: minimal commitment a day or two a week so that
Speaker 1: I don't miss football practice and football games and you know,
Speaker 1: horseback riding jumping that my daughter's doing. I got another
Speaker 1: daughter playing basketball or their son playing basketball. So I've
Speaker 1: got just enough going off the field, you know, away
Speaker 1: from being a dad and chasing kids around where I'm interested,
Speaker 1: I'm intrigued, I'm challenged. They're not full time commitments like
Speaker 1: broadcasting is and as you well know, the travel schedule
Speaker 1: that that comes along with that. So it's it's just enough.
Speaker 1: I've got just enough stuff going to keep me challenged,
Speaker 1: to keep me interested, but also where I'm not missing
Speaker 1: out on, you know, the things that I missed out
Speaker 1: when I was playing in my kids' lives, like games
Speaker 1: and practices and performances and all those little things that
Speaker 1: come up with it. Or at two pm on a Wednesday,
Speaker 1: when you're playing football or you have a full time job,
Speaker 1: you can't be at. But now that I'm at this
Speaker 1: stage of my life and in this stage of my career,
Speaker 1: I'm able to go and pull out of whatever I've
Speaker 1: got going and go and watch a performance at three o'clock,
Speaker 1: or go and coach my son's football team and call
Speaker 1: plays for the seventh graders at three o'clock. It's awesome.
Speaker 1: And Drew is dipping his toe in the broadcast waters
Speaker 1: of curious Drew, how much are you enjoying it? Is
Speaker 1: this something you really want to pursue and what else
Speaker 1: are you up to these days? Yeah? I think it's
Speaker 1: it's the same type of thing where you know, I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to be strategic and what I put my
Speaker 1: time and effort into. You know, football consumed our lives
Speaker 1: for over a decade and we put everything we had
Speaker 1: into it, and there were sacrifices that had to be made.
Speaker 1: We're both fortunate to have amazing wives that were a
Speaker 1: part of helping raise our kids. But now we want
Speaker 1: to be in the forefront of that. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: really enjoyed the broadcasting stuff. Again, it's been minimal from
Speaker 1: the standpoint of doing games here and their pre game
Speaker 1: mostly and just kind of interjecting what I see the
Speaker 1: trends of the NFL. And I'm not that far removed,
Speaker 1: so I know most defensive coordinators, I know players still
Speaker 1: on all the rosters. I mean, that was my job
Speaker 1: behind the scenes, is knowing the ins and outs and
Speaker 1: the scattering reports. So it's been fun to see that.
Speaker 1: It wasn't so fun after the Detroit Lions, boss, but
Speaker 1: I got to talk to all of the people calling in.
Speaker 1: But you know, I think you also see the passion
Speaker 1: of this fan base and Carson I got to witness
Speaker 1: that firsthand of how passionate the Bird gang really is
Speaker 1: and the Red Sea and the benefit of being able
Speaker 1: to call that your home field so to be a
Speaker 1: part of it, to be around the game again, especially
Speaker 1: this organization that I held such high regard, It's been
Speaker 1: really fun. And I get to go to work every
Speaker 1: other Tuesday, because that's my schedule to the Cardinal facility.
Speaker 1: I'm there for one hour and I leave, and again
Speaker 1: I get to go make sure I'm there for my
Speaker 1: daughters pick up at twelve forty five or my son's
Speaker 1: football practice. So all of those things, you know, are
Speaker 1: taking precedent right now, and as I navigate these new
Speaker 1: waters of retirement looking forward to what's in star. You
Speaker 1: guys get to Arizona the same season when BA and
Speaker 1: a staff get here. Were you guys friends at all
Speaker 1: before then? Did you know in each other each other?
Speaker 1: Did your pass cross at all prior to that? Because
Speaker 1: based on what I remember, you guys were pretty close
Speaker 1: when you guys were members of the Cardinals. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean we knew of each other, but hadn't spent really
Speaker 1: any any real time together. You know, we'd probably seen
Speaker 1: each other at an event here there over the years,
Speaker 1: because we were probably both in year six, seven, eight
Speaker 1: nine of our careers when we got there, But really
Speaker 1: we developed a friendship over a lot of bottles of wine,
Speaker 1: you know, spending time watching a lot of film together
Speaker 1: and just trying to figure out the new offense. And
Speaker 1: Drew had such a great background in the offense that
Speaker 1: was coming to Arizona because he was the year prior
Speaker 1: he was in an indie with Bruce, so he had
Speaker 1: already had that whole offense installed. So he was a
Speaker 1: great sounding board for me who was coming in and
Speaker 1: didn't know anything, and was able to really break some
Speaker 1: stuff down and show me the ins and outced the
Speaker 1: offense after he'd been through it with a rookie quarterback
Speaker 1: and Andrew luck which there's no better way to have
Speaker 1: an offense installed to you when you're a vet, when
Speaker 1: there's a rookie in the room, and it really is
Speaker 1: day one installed from the jump. So he was a
Speaker 1: great sounding board and that's kind of how our friendship
Speaker 1: and our work relationship started. And then after that, of course,
Speaker 1: the families got to know each other. We went on
Speaker 1: multiple off season trips together and spent a lot of
Speaker 1: time with each other's families. He's a lot older than me,
Speaker 1: it's what he's forgetting to point out. But it was
Speaker 1: six seventy, so I yeah, I was a senior in
Speaker 1: high school and went to the Lead eleven camp when
Speaker 1: he was a senior in college as the count as
Speaker 1: a counselor, and that was really where, you know, I
Speaker 1: was one of many high school kids that were there,
Speaker 1: but that's where I you know, started to see him
Speaker 1: and all that and followed his career and the other
Speaker 1: guys that were there, and actually knew his brother pretty
Speaker 1: well because we came out together, so you know, I
Speaker 1: knew of Carson, but yeah, it wasn't until it was
Speaker 1: really training camp. You know, we got to know each
Speaker 1: other and there was a work relationship. But one night
Speaker 1: we were walking back from the hotel room and the
Speaker 1: door kind of opens and I look in and I
Speaker 1: see this bottle of opus one sitting on his counter
Speaker 1: and I was like, you like why and he was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I love whine and I was like, oh, this is
Speaker 1: gonna be awesome. And like he said, it was five
Speaker 1: years of you know, some really great football but also
Speaker 1: some phenomenal memories. I mean, I learned so much from
Speaker 1: him as far as being a father and being able
Speaker 1: to do all these things. Because I was navigating new waters,
Speaker 1: I didn't know what life was like. And then the
Speaker 1: endless number of phone calls or facetimes that he would
Speaker 1: have on a bus, in the locker room, in the
Speaker 1: meeting room, with his kids, with his wife. It just
Speaker 1: modeled to me what that looked like to be able
Speaker 1: to balance all those things, because a lot of people
Speaker 1: don't do it successfully, but he was doing it in
Speaker 1: a way that I was like, man, that this is special,
Speaker 1: and I'm so fortunate to be able to see that.
Speaker 1: On top of you know, the great football plays and
Speaker 1: all those things. It was really a complete blessing to
Speaker 1: be able to spend five years there because you know,
Speaker 1: now my kids are old enough and to be able
Speaker 1: to see that and kind of pay it forward has
Speaker 1: been really neat. Do you remember, because Drew you got
Speaker 1: to Arizona first. Did you think when you got to
Speaker 1: Arizona that you were going to be the starter? And
Speaker 1: then the trade happened where Carson comes to the Cardinals?
Speaker 1: And I think you got a pretty decent contract when
Speaker 1: you came out the Arizona if I remember, and obviously
Speaker 1: you had been with BA. What was your reaction, Drew
Speaker 1: when you got to Arizona and the trade was made
Speaker 1: for Carson? And then Carson What was your reaction when
Speaker 1: you found out you were getting trade from the Raiders
Speaker 1: to the Cardinals. Yeah, well, I didn't know Carson was coming.
Speaker 1: I knew when I got out there, bas okay, just signed.
Speaker 1: We'll work it out because I had a chance to
Speaker 1: stay in Indianapolis with Andrew. I loved Indianapolis. Clyde Christensen
Speaker 1: was my quarterback coach there who was instrumental in a
Speaker 1: lot of different ways in my life, and didn't want
Speaker 1: to leave. But I got out the Arizona came on
Speaker 1: my trip and they're, okay, we're either going to sign
Speaker 1: Mike Glennon or we're gonna maybe try and trade for
Speaker 1: Ryan Mallett. And I'm like, awesome, I will compete against
Speaker 1: those guys every single day of the week. And you know,
Speaker 1: it was a great contract. It was more money than
Speaker 1: I ever had, and I felt really good about it
Speaker 1: and wanted a chance to compete the start because that's
Speaker 1: what I was looking for. And then they traded for Carson,
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm not stupid. I was well aware
Speaker 1: of how good he was and how good of his
Speaker 1: career was and all of those things, so I knew
Speaker 1: there was no competition at that point. But I also
Speaker 1: have had faith in the course of my career and
Speaker 1: tried to learn from everybody I have come across. And
Speaker 1: it was a complete blessing in disguise to show up
Speaker 1: here not knowing who I was going to go against,
Speaker 1: and there couldn't have been anybody else better to take
Speaker 1: a backseat too and really be able to just be
Speaker 1: in the background, because that's where I felt like I
Speaker 1: thrived and was most comfortable throughout the entire course of
Speaker 1: my career. Yeah, when I got to Arizona, well, I
Speaker 1: didn't know where I was going to go. I was
Speaker 1: in Oakland. That was just, quite frankly, a dumpster fire.
Speaker 1: They had just Al Davis had just died, they had
Speaker 1: just fired Hugh Jackson. They'd brought in another coach and
Speaker 1: did a salon and then and I was getting ready
Speaker 1: to go into year two of Oakland, and then like
Speaker 1: the week before, a couple of days before, they said, hey,
Speaker 1: they want you to take a pay cut, they want
Speaker 1: to restructure your contract, and a whole bunch of very
Speaker 1: team friendly adjustments that were going to happen. And at
Speaker 1: that point in my career, I was just I wasn't
Speaker 1: prepared to do that, and so I said, that's not
Speaker 1: going to work out for me. I can I can
Speaker 1: I can stay here with the current contract or can
Speaker 1: I find a trade partner? Said? So, they gave me
Speaker 1: a couple of days to think about it, and I said,
Speaker 1: you know, nothing's changed. I haven't. I haven't changed my mind,
Speaker 1: And they said, well, why don't you find a trade partner.
Speaker 1: At that time, there was four or five teams that
Speaker 1: were that were interested, but at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: it came down to San Francisco and Arizona, both teams
Speaker 1: in the NFC West. And you know, I didn't know
Speaker 1: a bunch about San Francisco. I knew there was kind
Speaker 1: of it was kind of a tumultualius time in San
Speaker 1: fran with Harbaugh and Trent Balki that the GM at
Speaker 1: the time, there was a lot of kind of riff
Speaker 1: raff in the news and things I was hearing. So
Speaker 1: I was hoping that wasn't going to happen. And then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I just got a call that
Speaker 1: I was going to Arizona, and I was on the
Speaker 1: phone with U, with BA and Steve Kim and Michael
Speaker 1: Bidwell and m Before I knew it. I was Arizona
Speaker 1: Cardinal and looking for a place to live and for
Speaker 1: a school to put my kids in in Arizona. You
Speaker 1: guys had some great moments here together, some incredible wins,
Speaker 1: and a culture that was built here. But there are
Speaker 1: a lot of people that remember the fun that you
Speaker 1: guys had, and you know, I was talking to some
Speaker 1: guys that were part of that team recently about the
Speaker 1: costumes and the competition that you guys would have throwing
Speaker 1: a football into a trash can. The loser had to
Speaker 1: wear was at the cost who got to pick who wore? What?
Speaker 1: How did that play out? And what was the most
Speaker 1: embarrassing costume that each of you had to wear? Go ahead, Drew,
Speaker 1: start us off. I have my fun. I just was
Speaker 1: talking to my son Flets the other night about one
Speaker 1: costume I put you in particular that I can't wait
Speaker 1: to talk about. But I'm gonna let you start us off.
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, we can do a whole entire
Speaker 1: podcast on just this one subject, because I feel like
Speaker 1: it garnered so much media. It really started. So my
Speaker 1: career started in Detroit with John Kittna, who also was
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati when Carson was drafted to Cincinnati. So we
Speaker 1: had a mutual friend in John Kittna that kind of
Speaker 1: brought us into the league and helped us out and
Speaker 1: showed us some of the ropes. So I learned the
Speaker 1: bucket drill from Kittna. And it wasn't until I was
Speaker 1: reunited with Carson that it became this competition. And then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden it just grew into this bigger
Speaker 1: and bigger thing of like initially we just had costumes
Speaker 1: and you would make shift and try and humiliate the
Speaker 1: person and send them out for pregame warm ups. Like
Speaker 1: Matt Barkley had to go when we played the Colts
Speaker 1: and we put like chaps on him, did raid towels.
Speaker 1: His wife was so mad at us with like ug boots,
Speaker 1: and it was like, just however you could do it.
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, I think it was
Speaker 1: like year two. I was like, I'm going to step
Speaker 1: this up a little bit, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: the Halloween store right by the facility there on Elliott
Speaker 1: I was hoping. I walked in and just rated everything.
Speaker 1: I mean it was like the Michel entire Man, the
Speaker 1: step off, like everything I could get my hands on
Speaker 1: that would blow up or humiliate somebody dressed up like
Speaker 1: a baby, anything that I could get, like, I was
Speaker 1: getting that, And then all of a sudden Amazon became
Speaker 1: more prevalent and we were ordering stuff. We had an
Speaker 1: entire locker in between us and the bottom shelf there.
Speaker 1: It got to the point where we had all of
Speaker 1: it just Okay, what are we going to make somebody
Speaker 1: else dress up in this week? Or we're all hoping
Speaker 1: to always get Pat. But Pat would then pay money
Speaker 1: to get out of there. Then then yes, Patrick Peterson, Yes,
Speaker 1: would pay money to get out of it because he
Speaker 1: was so worried about his custom suit he had picked
Speaker 1: out with a matching coat with the handkerchief and the
Speaker 1: belt and the shoes to match, even though he dressed
Speaker 1: up like Buddy the Elf. He didn't even know who
Speaker 1: Buddy the Elf was, and he was like, I got
Speaker 1: so many likes on Instant or on Twitter at the time.
Speaker 1: But he would do that. He would give us, like,
Speaker 1: you know, a decent amount of money and that would
Speaker 1: just go into our wine fund and we would be
Speaker 1: able to spend more money on wine, which was for
Speaker 1: the betterment of everybody. That's how it all kind of started, Oh,
Speaker 1: I figured you were going to ask about the favorite costume.
Speaker 1: If Carson already has his right off the battle, I'll
Speaker 1: delegate to him. Yeah, I mean there were some really
Speaker 1: good ones, and just to echo some of Drew's points,
Speaker 1: I mean, really the goal was to make the person
Speaker 1: that had to dress up look like the biggest horses
Speaker 1: ass possible, Like how could you make them look how
Speaker 1: could you be as demeaning as possible without crossing the line.
Speaker 1: And one of my favorites was, you know, the best,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, was when you would win on a
Speaker 1: road trip, because that would mean the loser had to
Speaker 1: dress up for the entire plane ride from Arizona to
Speaker 1: most likely the East coast. Get on airplane, fly on
Speaker 1: the team plane, get off the airplane, go back through
Speaker 1: the airport, go through the hotel. There's always fans at
Speaker 1: the hotel, and we would have to walk through the
Speaker 1: lobby of the hotel in this outfit. And my favorite
Speaker 1: all time. And I was just telling this story to
Speaker 1: my son the other night. Was I we used to
Speaker 1: fly Delta back in the day, and I bought an
Speaker 1: actual Delta stewardess outfit online. I don't know how I
Speaker 1: found it. I logged on the Delta, I signed in
Speaker 1: like I was a stewardess and and put my sizes
Speaker 1: into their website. And this sure enough, this Delta full
Speaker 1: on Delta Ladies stewardess outfit, the white gloves, the little
Speaker 1: neck thing. I don't know what you wear those next
Speaker 1: things all the time where that little next thing is
Speaker 1: the white gloves, the white gloves, a little purse, and
Speaker 1: he looked like a Delta stewardess. And then the best
Speaker 1: part was we get on the plane and Drew is
Speaker 1: wearing the same exact outfit as the stewardess is. They're
Speaker 1: showing us to our seats on the plane. So that
Speaker 1: was my all time favorite. What did you wear through?
Speaker 1: We had to walk through the lobby in Philadelphia, Philly?
Speaker 1: What did I'll never forget that, I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: I don't remember what it was. I think I might
Speaker 1: have crossed the line with that one. It was definitely.
Speaker 1: I felt so good about it that I could not wait,
Speaker 1: like I had this picked out for the whole year.
Speaker 1: Just when he lost and by the time he came in,
Speaker 1: I sprint into my locker. After he lost it, it it
Speaker 1: was hanging his lockers just walked in him. He was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was a full polyester Merman outfit. So
Speaker 1: it was a mermaid. Yeah, and my nipples were hanging out.
Speaker 1: It was like cut off right here, and it was
Speaker 1: a full on mermaid tale. But it was made out
Speaker 1: of polyester. And we were flying from from Phoenix to Philly,
Speaker 1: so we had a four hour plus flight and then
Speaker 1: the bus and the airport and the hotel and I
Speaker 1: would just I was drink, I was sweating. The thing
Speaker 1: started off as green and ended up like dark brown
Speaker 1: because it was just full of perspiration, unfortunately, and there
Speaker 1: was like a wedding going on downstairs right so, like
Speaker 1: we're walking through the lobby waiting for the elevator because
Speaker 1: it wasn't like we could go in the back way
Speaker 1: and strategically go to our room. We had to wait
Speaker 1: for the like the elevators in the front and everybody's
Speaker 1: sitting there, cameras are just snapping. Staff. Actually I took
Speaker 1: pictures with the bride and groom in my mermaid. People
Speaker 1: are like kids that's future college Football Hall of Famer
Speaker 1: Heisman Trophy or Carson Palm are wearing a Burman outfit
Speaker 1: that is priceless. Do you think that's one of the
Speaker 1: reasons why you guys had success because of the chemistry,
Speaker 1: Because you guys had fun. I mean, obviously hit your
Speaker 1: job seriously, but there was a culture and Ba was
Speaker 1: about fun as well, and he wanted to win, of course,
Speaker 1: But how beut you guys think that played a role
Speaker 1: in your success. I think there was a mentality of hey,
Speaker 1: when it's time to work, it's time to work. But
Speaker 1: there's also that camaraderie that goes into it, of like, hey,
Speaker 1: you have to relax and you have to beat yourself
Speaker 1: to go out and play well. And I think I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm a firm believer. Obviously I'm biased, but everything flows
Speaker 1: from the quarterback room and how tight knit those guys
Speaker 1: are and how well they are the leadership components of that,
Speaker 1: and Carson was so good at that. It really takes
Speaker 1: on the mentality of the team in the organization. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean people saw the light hardness that we had
Speaker 1: at times, but the amount of work that went in
Speaker 1: Monday through Saturday, those endless hours that we put in
Speaker 1: and all of that stuff when nobody else was in
Speaker 1: the building. You know, that's what really created that bond
Speaker 1: over a course of five years. Yeah, I mean, I agree.
Speaker 1: I think there's a time and place for everything. And
Speaker 1: just Davis, you know, the workweek of an NFL season
Speaker 1: as it really starts Sunday night, and you prep Monday
Speaker 1: and Tuesday and Wednesday and Thursday and Friday. That kind
Speaker 1: of mentality that the hay is in the barn when
Speaker 1: you get to Saturday. So the days that we were
Speaker 1: kind of goofing off and having fun with traveling attire
Speaker 1: and pregame attire, where we'd put the work in and
Speaker 1: we had done what needed to be done for us
Speaker 1: to be successful in the field on Sundays. Now, if
Speaker 1: we were doing this on Wednesday, in the middle of
Speaker 1: install and all the things that come in on a
Speaker 1: Wednesday or Thursday or Friday, it would be a different deal.
Speaker 1: But I think be a respected that Drew and I
Speaker 1: and whoever else was involved in the quarterback game put
Speaker 1: our work in in the week and we were very serious,
Speaker 1: very focused, very concerned with dot and every T crossing,
Speaker 1: every eye, all the xs and o's, the game plan.
Speaker 1: We knew it inside. Now by the time we got
Speaker 1: to Saturday, it was our time to get ready to
Speaker 1: play and the game was twenty four hours away, and
Speaker 1: that's what we'd put them all the work for, and
Speaker 1: all the extra time watching film and Drew and I
Speaker 1: coming in early and watching film with guys and just
Speaker 1: you know, all the things that that it takes to
Speaker 1: feel great going to bed on Saturday night before you
Speaker 1: get ready to play on Sunday. We had done all
Speaker 1: those things. We had done the mental exercises, the mental reps,
Speaker 1: the physical rep that when we got through that week,
Speaker 1: it was kind of like a big exhale. We got
Speaker 1: to compete in the bucket drill, we got to throw
Speaker 1: footballs in a trash can, We did our walk through,
Speaker 1: and then we got on the plane and went to play.
Speaker 1: And like I said previously, all the hay was in
Speaker 1: the barn. So you know, if there was ever a
Speaker 1: situation and Bruce would be the first to put it
Speaker 1: into it where we weren't putting the time and work
Speaker 1: in and then goofing off on a Saturday, he would
Speaker 1: have put it into it. But I think he respected
Speaker 1: the way that you know, the quarterback room led the
Speaker 1: team and led the way we worked, led the way
Speaker 1: we practiced, led the way we watched you film and
Speaker 1: we're in meetings, and then when it was time to
Speaker 1: enjoy the fruits of our labor on Saturdays and Sundays,
Speaker 1: we enjoyed the wins. We enjoyed the prep going to
Speaker 1: the games and flying to the games and going to
Speaker 1: these new cities. And we had put all the time
Speaker 1: and the work in and the week, and I think
Speaker 1: that was respected by the entire coaching staff in the
Speaker 1: organization where it never became a distraction or a problem
Speaker 1: for the team. I do want to get into some
Speaker 1: serious stuff meeting football, actual football discussion about what you
Speaker 1: guys accomplished, but then also your thoughts on the Cardinals
Speaker 1: and some other teams in the NFL and some other
Speaker 1: players in the NFL. But one more question related to
Speaker 1: having fun, and this one was actually in a game.
Speaker 1: You probably know where I'm going with this one, Drew.
Speaker 1: In fact, you can't google Drew Stanton's name without Drew
Speaker 1: stanton dance first coming up. It was the sideline dance
Speaker 1: in Seattle. Carson, had you ever seen? First of all, Drew,
Speaker 1: how did you come up with that? And Carson, did
Speaker 1: you like see before Noah was coming? Like? Hold on,
Speaker 1: let me let me interject here so we get done
Speaker 1: right where this is our vantage points wholeheartedly. We get
Speaker 1: into the locker room, we are so excited we just won,
Speaker 1: and we come over and Mark Dalton, who isn't part
Speaker 1: of everything communication wise for the air Zon and Cardinals,
Speaker 1: comes over and he was like, you went viral. And
Speaker 1: I was like, why did Carson go viral? He's like, no,
Speaker 1: you did, and he's like, free your dance and I
Speaker 1: was like we both looked at each other. I was like,
Speaker 1: what dance? And what do you mean? What are you
Speaker 1: talking about? Goes No. They like were panning down on
Speaker 1: the third down where dre scored and they stopped right
Speaker 1: on you and you had an ICEO and I was like, really,
Speaker 1: I had no idea, So there was no rehearsal. That
Speaker 1: was raw emotion and like those are my three moves,
Speaker 1: and they'll they'll come out at various times. They just
Speaker 1: all happened to come out at once, like something just
Speaker 1: got spit out, like somebody threw up. So that's how
Speaker 1: it kind of all transpired, and neither one of us
Speaker 1: had any idea until it was what it was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I was just as as surprised and shocked
Speaker 1: and as soon as I saw the video. I think
Speaker 1: I watched it on the way home from Seattle, probably
Speaker 1: eighty five times. Didn't you find that game though? You
Speaker 1: got fined that game too right for some inappropriate misconduct? Ye? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I gotta fine that game. Did you get fined for
Speaker 1: that dance? You should have been fined for that dance.
Speaker 1: There wasn't quite enough. You didn't have enough hip rotation.
Speaker 1: You didn't have enough flexibility in your hips for liked
Speaker 1: and high enough. From my head, yeah, PG to PG
Speaker 1: thirteen where they find you, Well, it was cold in Seattle.
Speaker 1: Too tight? Yeah's always tight, yep. With the playoffs right
Speaker 1: around the corner, and obviously the Cardinals they're going to
Speaker 1: get in. It's just a matter of when we all
Speaker 1: hoped it would be two weeks ago, but here we
Speaker 1: are still not officially in, but it's going to happen.
Speaker 1: What do you guys recall from that run to the
Speaker 1: NFC Championship game in twenty fifteen, and is there a
Speaker 1: particular moment I think of the shovel, either the shovel
Speaker 1: pass to fits or just before that where Carson you
Speaker 1: bounce off of an offensive lineman and Larry's wide open
Speaker 1: on the far side and nobody's around him for Green Bay.
Speaker 1: Is it one of those two moments, guys? Or was
Speaker 1: there something else from that run that stands out to
Speaker 1: you the most? Um? For me, you know, there's you know,
Speaker 1: it's never a play that that sticks out in my head. Um,
Speaker 1: it's just the guys. I mean, it's it's it's the
Speaker 1: group of individuals that were on that team. And you
Speaker 1: think about the secondary and and Shoddy and you can
Speaker 1: go on and on down the list that that locker
Speaker 1: room full of guys. I mean, there's plays in every
Speaker 1: game that win and lose a game. Um, And there's
Speaker 1: some that are highlighted more or some that are played
Speaker 1: on Sports Center more on Instagram feeds more. But UM,
Speaker 1: you know, I just think back that group of guys,
Speaker 1: that secondary, that the leadership we had in the secondary,
Speaker 1: the leadership we had on offense and the offensive line,
Speaker 1: and then just kind of how the season ended and
Speaker 1: then the team kind of got blown up and we
Speaker 1: started all over again after winning twelve games or whatever
Speaker 1: thirteen fourteen, whatever we won that year. You know, I
Speaker 1: think back just the group of individuals, the guys that
Speaker 1: Um that came in with ba Um like Drew, like
Speaker 1: a handful of other guys and the guys that were
Speaker 1: there before that, and we're there for the struggling years
Speaker 1: and just more more importantly, I just think about those
Speaker 1: guys and it's not a play from a game, it's
Speaker 1: not a play from a practice. It's just collectively when
Speaker 1: you think back of that year starting and that group starting,
Speaker 1: and training camp and going through you know, that long
Speaker 1: month long training camp out there by the stadium, and
Speaker 1: just as the season went on and progressed, guys went down,
Speaker 1: guys stepped up, made plays. Drew stepped in a bunch
Speaker 1: of games and won games. You know, backups all over
Speaker 1: the place stepped in and made play. Those are the
Speaker 1: things that stick out my mind. Those are the memories
Speaker 1: I have. Yeah, the Larry fitz shovel pass and all
Speaker 1: that jump out at you, but those are what the
Speaker 1: public seas what Drew and I saw firsthand. You know,
Speaker 1: the way that Tyran and Matthew grew up that year
Speaker 1: and came up and had an amazing year, an amazing season.
Speaker 1: Then to lose him in Week seventeen in Philly and
Speaker 1: just the he's come back, and I know Drew probably
Speaker 1: feels the same way. I'm so proud every time I
Speaker 1: get to watch Tyr and play. I saw him as
Speaker 1: a rookie. I saw him as a late, you know,
Speaker 1: second or third round draft pick guy that was just
Speaker 1: trying to figure it out. So now he's an All
Speaker 1: Pro and a Super Bowl champ. And seeing the university
Speaker 1: he went through and the composer he kept himself with
Speaker 1: throughout the years past, those are the things that jump
Speaker 1: out to me. Yeah, I would say the same thing.
Speaker 1: I think that everybody thinks about those things, And there's
Speaker 1: no doubt I've never been in a stadium louder that
Speaker 1: that game against the Green Bay Packers when we were
Speaker 1: able to go down to win and the Red Sea
Speaker 1: was just absolutely going nuts. But really I think more
Speaker 1: than that is we went to Pittsburgh and we had
Speaker 1: like just an awful week. We say that the Greenbrier
Speaker 1: was bad weather. We went to Pittsburgh and lost, and
Speaker 1: Ba was just mad, you know, because he wanted to
Speaker 1: be Pittsburgh so bad. And then we just started rattling
Speaker 1: off these wins and just rattling, and it got to
Speaker 1: a point where we were just expected to win. It
Speaker 1: wasn't hey like we want to win this week, if
Speaker 1: we do everything that we needed to do, we were
Speaker 1: going to win a football game. And we started building
Speaker 1: that confidence. And that's really where I think be A
Speaker 1: kind of changed his mantra of this is your guys' team.
Speaker 1: We're going to go as far as you take us
Speaker 1: and the Frosty Rutgers of the world. Into Carson's point,
Speaker 1: all of us role players accepted our role and loved
Speaker 1: being in that role, and when called upon, we were
Speaker 1: going to be prepared to thrive in that role or
Speaker 1: try to do our best. So from there, that's really
Speaker 1: where our team was formed, and that's what it carried
Speaker 1: us on because that mentality was so unique, where everybody
Speaker 1: was unselfish. We went out there and it wasn't about Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm not making enough money, or I'm not starting, or
Speaker 1: I'm not doing any of these things. We came together
Speaker 1: as a collective whole and pushed it all the way
Speaker 1: through to the NFC Championship Game and just lost to
Speaker 1: a really good football team, the twenty twenty one Cardinals.
Speaker 1: Being on the cusp of the postseason, what are your
Speaker 1: guys thoughts on where they are, because obviously Cardinal fans
Speaker 1: are unsettled right now based on the last two games.
Speaker 1: But you guys know, everybody goes through a stretch like
Speaker 1: this over the course of the season. I shouldn't say
Speaker 1: most teams. Everybody has at least one bad game. Nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy two is the last time somebody went undefeated all
Speaker 1: the way through, and then he plays many games, and
Speaker 1: now you're playing seventeen games, so it's even more now
Speaker 1: an emphasis on trying to keep things together, which is
Speaker 1: hard to do, and also the unpredictability of the NFL
Speaker 1: week to week. I mean, you guys know about that.
Speaker 1: So there's still time to the Cardinals to turn it around.
Speaker 1: Where do you guys feel they are at this point?
Speaker 1: Are you concerned about them being able to fix it
Speaker 1: and have a deep run of the playoffs? Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: I just I think I think they're one of the
Speaker 1: best teams in the NFC. I think there's a lot
Speaker 1: that needs to be found out and a lot that
Speaker 1: needs to be seen. I think for Kyler Murray to
Speaker 1: lose DeAndre Hopkins, his security blanket, his go to when
Speaker 1: things break down, he finds a way to get him
Speaker 1: the ball one way or the other, that's a huge loss.
Speaker 1: I think We're going to find out in the next
Speaker 1: three or four weeks whether it's overcomable or not. But
Speaker 1: just watching the little bit that I saw a last
Speaker 1: week's game, you know, the thing that concerns me is
Speaker 1: some of the leadership deficiencies that I've seen. I mean,
Speaker 1: some of the body language I've seen from Kyler. When
Speaker 1: you're down in Detroit, you just can't do you You
Speaker 1: need to keep even though you're faking it. You need
Speaker 1: to keep ra ra face on you. There's just certain
Speaker 1: things you need to do as a quarterback that He's
Speaker 1: still young, he's still learning, he's still working his way through.
Speaker 1: But I don't think the season is lost. I don't
Speaker 1: think the season is over. I think everything's out in
Speaker 1: front of them. I think they need to totally adjust
Speaker 1: the way that they go about the next handful of
Speaker 1: weeks because DeAndre was such a big part of their offense.
Speaker 1: And I know he was gone for a week here
Speaker 1: and a week there, and a hamstring and different things.
Speaker 1: But now that you know he's not coming back, now
Speaker 1: that you know he will be on the sideline in
Speaker 1: a sweatshirt and sweatpants, that just changes your mentality from
Speaker 1: a quarterback standpoint, that changes your your mentality from a
Speaker 1: play caller standpoint, that changes your confidence in that offensive huddle.
Speaker 1: There's a guy in that huddle that can that can
Speaker 1: just flat out win a game. And when you take
Speaker 1: DeAndre that guy out of that huddle, it changes the
Speaker 1: dynamics the huddle. And I just really look to see
Speaker 1: what kind of leader Kyler is going forward, because now
Speaker 1: it's really all on him. Now it's really on his shoulders.
Speaker 1: And I know Chase Edmonds is back, and they've lost
Speaker 1: some other guys, and there's been some leaders that have
Speaker 1: fallen to injury and some older guys that are no
Speaker 1: longer on the team, like Larry Fitz, But now it's
Speaker 1: on Kyler. Can Kyler lead this team? Can he find
Speaker 1: a way to shake that, you know, just bad body
Speaker 1: language that we've seen the last couple of weeks. Can
Speaker 1: he find a way to lead this group of guys?
Speaker 1: Can he find a way to overcome some some adversity
Speaker 1: that they're gonna have to overcome again. They're gonna be
Speaker 1: down multiple scores again like they were last week in Detroit.
Speaker 1: Can they overcome it? Um? I have absolutely think Tyler's
Speaker 1: capable of doing it. I absolutely think Kyler has the
Speaker 1: ability and the god given athleticism, the arm, talent, all
Speaker 1: of that he's got at all. Now he needs to
Speaker 1: prove it. Now he's at a really, really important turning
Speaker 1: point in his career. Let's see what he can do.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to watch him play. I cannot wait
Speaker 1: to watch this team play because it's now solely on
Speaker 1: his shoulders, and he's got enough talent around him. He's
Speaker 1: got playmakers on the defensive side of the ball, Guys
Speaker 1: that can create turnovers, guys that can get to the quarterback,
Speaker 1: create sack fumbles, all of that. The team is very
Speaker 1: well built. The team, in my opinion, it's an extremely
Speaker 1: talented team. They don't have the depth that some teams have,
Speaker 1: but there are playmakers all over the place, and they've
Speaker 1: lost a couple in DeAndre and some other guys, but
Speaker 1: there's enough talent to overcome it. And I can't wait
Speaker 1: to watch these next couple of weeks unfold. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think a very similar thought to Carson of the quarterback
Speaker 1: position is so important and to save Grace is having
Speaker 1: somebody like Colt McCoy in that room. I think somebody
Speaker 1: that Kyler can trust that he can look to that
Speaker 1: he can feel comfortable talking stuff through with. But now
Speaker 1: is the time to really, you know, screw everything down
Speaker 1: and say we got to start playing our best football
Speaker 1: because the first portion of this season they looked unstoppable.
Speaker 1: They really they had so many answers for anything anybody
Speaker 1: throughout them and whether there was a team that wanted
Speaker 1: to run the ball, if they jumped on them early
Speaker 1: and took them out of what they did best. They
Speaker 1: haven't been able to do that. So how do you
Speaker 1: go to a plan B or C and still find
Speaker 1: a way to win a football game? They haven't been
Speaker 1: able to do that. I talked about it before. I
Speaker 1: think it's extremely difficult if you're a play caller and
Speaker 1: also a head coach, because those are two very important roles,
Speaker 1: and sometimes you don't have a pulse of what's going
Speaker 1: on on defense or you need to, hey, maybe we
Speaker 1: need to call special teams, play here, a fake punt,
Speaker 1: something to flip momentum back in our favor. And so
Speaker 1: it's hard. I think that the era is not pointing up,
Speaker 1: but I also don't think it's pointing down either. There's
Speaker 1: nothing to hang your hat on. They have a chance
Speaker 1: to get in the playoffs, and when if you get
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, everybody's level playing field at that point.
Speaker 1: And so to Carson's point, I think they have a
Speaker 1: bunch of veteran guys. I don't know how many quote
Speaker 1: unquote leaders they have. I don't know how many Carlos
Speaker 1: Stansby's there are on defense. And he'll get up there
Speaker 1: and ra rod and get everybody to go. And you
Speaker 1: know the Tyron Matthews of the world that will call
Speaker 1: out a secondary you know Patrick Peterson or a Larry
Speaker 1: Fitzgerald that would just lead by example. They have those
Speaker 1: kind of guys, and those guys are great. You need
Speaker 1: all different types and different forms of leadership. But I
Speaker 1: want my quarterback. I want to be able to look
Speaker 1: at him on the sidelines and I want to be
Speaker 1: able to tell if they're up by forty or down
Speaker 1: by forty. And everybody, to a man yesterday or has
Speaker 1: talked about this different days about Kyler's body language, and
Speaker 1: if it's not apparent to a fan watching on that,
Speaker 1: think about the effect that it's having on his teammates
Speaker 1: around him. And he probably knows it. He's never had
Speaker 1: to truly deal with adversity and I said this post game.
Speaker 1: I said, losing at this point doesn't show character, build character,
Speaker 1: it reveals it. And we're gonna learn a lot about
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. And that's what Carson was talking about. We're
Speaker 1: gonna have a great sense of where this team is
Speaker 1: because they're only going to go as far as Kyler
Speaker 1: is as capable of taking them. But he has the
Speaker 1: weapons to do it. In aj Green, he has the
Speaker 1: weapons to do it with Chase Edmonds and James Connor.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know this team so well, probably better
Speaker 1: than I ever have, because I've started to study and
Speaker 1: talk about them. I mean, the offensive line and all
Speaker 1: those things. Sometimes it's just a matter of rewiring your brain.
Speaker 1: If you get hurt, hit early in the game, I'm saying,
Speaker 1: i gotta stay in this pocket and make plays. I've
Speaker 1: got to be on time, in rhythm and making these
Speaker 1: on time throws so the ball is coming out regardless
Speaker 1: of how the rush is. And that's just it's a
Speaker 1: hard trait to learn, but it's a necessity to be
Speaker 1: able to understand that and situational football as you move forward.
Speaker 1: So along those lines of putting the onus on Kyler
Speaker 1: Murray to play great because usually the team that wins
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl has the quarterback that's playing the best,
Speaker 1: and Drew, you were that last year Tom Brady and
Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers didn't win their division wildcard team
Speaker 1: it was this week last year. You get signed to
Speaker 1: the practice squad, so you're a part of the team
Speaker 1: for the run to the Super Bowl, and then you're
Speaker 1: activated on game day so you're out there for the championship.
Speaker 1: What was that experience? Like Drew and Carson, feel free
Speaker 1: to jump in on this, I'm curious as two guys
Speaker 1: that played the position, what is it about Tom Brady? Men? Look,
Speaker 1: he obviously has incredible skill as a passer, but his leadership,
Speaker 1: the intangibles. Why is he so this guy's almost forty
Speaker 1: five years old and he's still doing it at an
Speaker 1: elite level. Why do you guys think that is well?
Speaker 1: I mean getting a chance to see how he operates
Speaker 1: and how he prepares it's meticulous. I mean it is
Speaker 1: so structured, almost to a play where it's robotic in
Speaker 1: because this guy human. I mean the structure in which
Speaker 1: he goes about everything, but he also is he has
Speaker 1: everything so calculated on how he does things. I mean,
Speaker 1: what he eats his You know, he has the Alex
Speaker 1: Guerrero who's his massage guy or also a workout guy,
Speaker 1: Like he has a guy that's constantly working on him.
Speaker 1: All of these things, so he has everything set up
Speaker 1: exactly the way that he wants it to feel most comfortable.
Speaker 1: But again, as Carson was talking about earlier on the show,
Speaker 1: everything is a build up to Sunday, a build up mentally, physically, emotionally,
Speaker 1: you know, all of these things. And he is a
Speaker 1: tremendous leader. But there are some guys, to be quite honest,
Speaker 1: that can't play with him because he demands so much.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at the game Sunday night,
Speaker 1: that poor running back that had to go in there,
Speaker 1: he didn't know what he was doing. You could see
Speaker 1: Tom just glaring at him with these eyes, and this
Speaker 1: kid's confidence just goes just like it plummets. So there's
Speaker 1: certain people that can handle that, and there's certain people
Speaker 1: that can't. But Tom has a tremendous ability to pull
Speaker 1: people along with him. And seeing the way that he
Speaker 1: connects to everybody within that locker room when I got
Speaker 1: there and saw it for six weeks, much like Carson,
Speaker 1: right like, you don't have to go around and tell
Speaker 1: somebody you're a leader. If you have to tell somebody
Speaker 1: you're a leader, you're not a leader. And the most
Speaker 1: important thing about leadership is followership. So you better to
Speaker 1: make sure everybody's following you. And all those people when
Speaker 1: we got to the playoffs, thought we were going to win,
Speaker 1: even on defense, but man, we've got Tom Brady like
Speaker 1: everybody to have t because he had been there, he
Speaker 1: had done that, and they knew what it was going
Speaker 1: to take for him to be successful and the team
Speaker 1: as a collective hole to be successful. So it was
Speaker 1: great to see it and just be a part of
Speaker 1: it and have it culminate at the very end because
Speaker 1: I mean, going into Green Bay they said there was
Speaker 1: ten thousand people in the stands. I mean they either
Speaker 1: don't know how to count in Wisconsin or they let
Speaker 1: anybody in that had a heartbeat, And they had these
Speaker 1: boards that they were hidden against the stands. It was
Speaker 1: so loud. After going to New Orleans, which was so
Speaker 1: eerie because it was dead silent in there. I mean
Speaker 1: it was I'm used to that place. I've been there
Speaker 1: the playoffs, have been there for regular season. Going into
Speaker 1: New Orleans in a regular year, it would have been
Speaker 1: really difficult to try and come with when especially we've
Speaker 1: seen the struggle Stamp has had against the Land since
Speaker 1: Tom's tenure. Anything Carson that you've noticed playing against Brady
Speaker 1: over the years that makes him probably the greatest ever
Speaker 1: played the position. Just everything, I mean every attribute you know,
Speaker 1: his ability to stay healthy, accuracy, toughness, leadership, all those things.
Speaker 1: But I mean I also think so when I was
Speaker 1: a buddy of mine, Matt Castle played in New England,
Speaker 1: and I would always reach out to Matt to get
Speaker 1: his scouting report from New England, like, hey man, simmon
Speaker 1: what you got on Buffalo? Hey Man, simmon what you
Speaker 1: got on the Jets? We're getting whoever I was getting
Speaker 1: ready to play that I knew played New England. I
Speaker 1: would always try to get the past scouting reports because
Speaker 1: it was so in depth. And I don't know if
Speaker 1: Brady was a part of that, typically a quarterbacks not
Speaker 1: that's a coaching staff thing. But I think Brady is
Speaker 1: the greatest to ever play. I think he played for
Speaker 1: a great, great coach, most likely the greatest coach to
Speaker 1: ever play, And kind of what Drew was talking about
Speaker 1: it as it's it's it was very meticulous with him,
Speaker 1: every build up that that's probably that foundation, which probably
Speaker 1: started in New England and probably from Bill Belichick. So
Speaker 1: you combine one of one of the most meticulous, toughest,
Speaker 1: most accurate, best, best thrower in adverse conditions with the
Speaker 1: best coaching staff. I mean, you look at Bill Belichick's
Speaker 1: coaching staff. It's not a bunch of his buddies. He's
Speaker 1: not a bunch of his boys from high school or
Speaker 1: somebody that gave his kid a scholarship in college. Whatever
Speaker 1: that is. He interviewed and he vetted all of his
Speaker 1: coaches and it wasn't about anything other than their ability
Speaker 1: to teach, and not their ability to coach, but their
Speaker 1: ability to teach. And you just look at that staff,
Speaker 1: and I know he hasn't spurred off a ton of
Speaker 1: great head coaches, but he's coached and been the head
Speaker 1: coach of a bunch of great, great coordinators and position coaches.
Speaker 1: And you know, I just always think back I was
Speaker 1: always hitting up Castle, sending them a box on wine,
Speaker 1: doing whatever I could to get his scouting reports, because
Speaker 1: his scouting reports made our scouting reports look like they
Speaker 1: were the JV. Football team, and so you combine, you know,
Speaker 1: all of the attributes that Brady has with all the
Speaker 1: attributes that Bill Belichick has, and then he transitions right
Speaker 1: into a Bruce arians organization where Bruce has brought in
Speaker 1: his coaching staff and built I mean, you look at
Speaker 1: Todd Bowls and on and on down the line the
Speaker 1: coaches that he's brought into Tampa. Great players and great
Speaker 1: teams win football games and win championships. And you combine
Speaker 1: great players and great teams with great organizations and great
Speaker 1: coaching staffs, and that's the rest to be for championships.
Speaker 1: I had about ten more questions, but I know you
Speaker 1: guys have dad duty, So just a couple more, we'll
Speaker 1: get you guys out of here. Carson, congratulations on being
Speaker 1: inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame. Very well deserved.
Speaker 1: I'm curious your thoughts on Lincoln Riley, the new head
Speaker 1: coach at USC when it happened as somebody that I
Speaker 1: don't do a ton of Pac twelve college football, but
Speaker 1: a lot of my college basketball games are Pac twelve games.
Speaker 1: So I'm very interested in the conference having success and
Speaker 1: getting into the College Football Playoff, which it's been a
Speaker 1: while since it's happened, do you think this is a
Speaker 1: game changer, not just for USC, but for the Pac
Speaker 1: twelve and maybe for college football as a whole, that
Speaker 1: there is now a powerhouse coach. Yes, he hasn't won
Speaker 1: a national championship, but got to the College Football Playoff.
Speaker 1: I think it was three out of four years, one
Speaker 1: of those years with Kyler. Do you think that this
Speaker 1: means USC is back and that the Pac twelve then
Speaker 1: is back in the College Football Championship? Hunt, Well, we're
Speaker 1: not back until until we're in it and we're playing
Speaker 1: for the championship. But believe it or not, Drew's actually
Speaker 1: the one that broke me the news. I didn't know
Speaker 1: until I got a text from Drew saying something about
Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley, and I was like what, And I blogged
Speaker 1: onto my phone and realized what had happened. So Drew's
Speaker 1: a little mini Adam Schefter. Watch Out, Watch Out, Dave Carroll.
Speaker 1: I sent it to your PO box though the PO
Speaker 1: box in your town and smoke screens. I sent out
Speaker 1: to you and idahouse just to yah, you broke me
Speaker 1: the news. Kudos to you, not that I'm following everyday
Speaker 1: Twitter feeds and all the all the intricate social media
Speaker 1: platforms that you're following and getting tidbits of information from.
Speaker 1: But that came to me from you. I did not
Speaker 1: know what happened. Um, well done. Um, But no, I
Speaker 1: mean they're not back until they're back. I mean, it
Speaker 1: just just signed him to a long term contract. Doesn't
Speaker 1: mean anything until he proves he's worthy of that contract.
Speaker 1: But absolutely, I mean, it's just it's the same thing
Speaker 1: in the NFL. The NFL is better when the Cowboys
Speaker 1: and and Pittsburgh are quality teams. Um. The NFL is
Speaker 1: not better when the Bengals and the Bills are great.
Speaker 1: College football is better when Alabama and Texas and USC
Speaker 1: and Michigan and Michigan State. Um. But but the bigger
Speaker 1: teams throughout all of all of the power conferences, when
Speaker 1: when those teams are the best, it just seems like
Speaker 1: that's when college football is the most respective. And when
Speaker 1: you have unfortunately you know, Cincinnatis or Boise States playing
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, it just kind of doesn't feel right.
Speaker 1: But when you have these Power five conference, these these dominant,
Speaker 1: massive endowment universities playing in the championship or playing for
Speaker 1: a championship in the playoffs. It just feels better, it
Speaker 1: feels right. So I absolutely think it's a great thing
Speaker 1: for college football, absolutely and proud that he's our coach.
Speaker 1: I think he is. We could not have had a
Speaker 1: better hire Drew. As soon as Drew sent me that text,
Speaker 1: I was texting him back and it's like, man, we
Speaker 1: were both coming back and forth like what a great hire.
Speaker 1: And it came out of nowhere. It came out of
Speaker 1: absolute left field. Nobody was even really there were no
Speaker 1: whispers of maybe Lincoln Ryan Riley would leave Oklahoma. You
Speaker 1: just couldn't fathom that. But I just think it was
Speaker 1: a ten out of ten higher. And that's you know,
Speaker 1: twenty percent of the work done. They have eighty percent
Speaker 1: of the work done, which is getting those recruits on campus,
Speaker 1: coaching them up, getting them on the field, and proving
Speaker 1: them to be successful. So there's a lot of work
Speaker 1: to do. But absolutely, I think it's great for USC
Speaker 1: and more importantly, it's great for college football because when
Speaker 1: US season it and the Power you know, the top
Speaker 1: teams in the Power conferences are are the top teams
Speaker 1: in the country. It's the same thing in the NFL.
Speaker 1: It's like all the big markets. You want the New
Speaker 1: York's and the Las and Chicagos and these big market
Speaker 1: cities playing in the playoffs. You know, for from the
Speaker 1: NFL standpoint, you don't necessarily want these really small market
Speaker 1: teams playing in the playoffs. You want the best, the best,
Speaker 1: the biggest, the biggest. And I think when SCS in it,
Speaker 1: and when SCS competing for a championship, it's great for
Speaker 1: college football. Not saying that Michigan State started this whole thing,
Speaker 1: because obviously there have been coaches that have been getting
Speaker 1: long term, major contracts for a wild Jumbo Fisher, Nick Saban,
Speaker 1: two names that come to mind. But this year anyway,
Speaker 1: Michigan State electing to sign melt Tucker in the middle
Speaker 1: of the season to ten year almost one hundred million
Speaker 1: dollar contract. That started to turn. I have to manage it.
Speaker 1: For Brian Kelly, the wheel started spinning. He even said, look,
Speaker 1: I'm not leaving Notre Dame and less at job comes
Speaker 1: along where it's just crazy money. Well it did. It
Speaker 1: happened with LSU Lincoln Riley. I don't know that Lincoln
Speaker 1: was looking to leave Oklahoma all of a sudden, huge money,
Speaker 1: which he would have been able to get anyway. But
Speaker 1: because of what happened with Mel and Drew tell me
Speaker 1: to disagree with this, it felt like the floodgates really open.
Speaker 1: And now you got coaches leaving teams that were still
Speaker 1: in the hunt for the college football Playoff and teams
Speaker 1: that are playing major bowl games. Coaches are bailing because
Speaker 1: they're getting those basically contracts that you're going to retire
Speaker 1: from me. You could even if your last two years,
Speaker 1: you got ten years guaranteed, you're set for life. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: or it's like Norman Oklahoma, LA Private Jet. Whatever Lincoln's
Speaker 1: deal was, it was pretty sweet. But yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: what I saw those numbers throw around for Mel Tucker,
Speaker 1: I was like, I mean, if he's gonna get that
Speaker 1: at LA, see you then go to LSU. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're Michigan State. We've we've hung our hat on being
Speaker 1: a blue collar school that has always kind of played
Speaker 1: second fiddle. And they started talking about ten years, ninety
Speaker 1: five million dollars. Now it helps to have a booster
Speaker 1: that's a billionaire that was a walk on for Izzo
Speaker 1: in matt Ishpia and he just wrote the check apparently,
Speaker 1: so I need to get in touch with him or
Speaker 1: It also had me contemplate should I get into coaching,
Speaker 1: because that would be a pretty nice pay day. I
Speaker 1: can only imagine, you know what that looks like. But
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's great for college football to
Speaker 1: be able to get a household name at a household
Speaker 1: university because if you look around at the landscape of
Speaker 1: college football now, I think you know, Sarka is going
Speaker 1: to get everything corrected at Texas, But the Floridas, the
Speaker 1: Florida States, the Miami's of the world. I mean, even
Speaker 1: you know, Michigan is now back, but there's not a
Speaker 1: perennial powerhouse or a household name like the Joe Paternos
Speaker 1: or Bobby Bowdens of the world anymore. But the Carson's point,
Speaker 1: because Carson and I later in that same conversation, we're
Speaker 1: talking about if you become a winner, the university will
Speaker 1: back you through those and downwards through the money, and
Speaker 1: they'll make that money up tenfold by support of people
Speaker 1: that want to jump on the bandwagon. And USC will
Speaker 1: gladly welcome that because they have the people out there
Speaker 1: willing to do it. But you're not going to back
Speaker 1: at Clay Hilton. I mean no offense to Clay Helton,
Speaker 1: but it's harder to do that, and it's a harder
Speaker 1: sell at that point versus a Jimbo Fisher type of
Speaker 1: a guy or Brian Keyler. I mean, I saw Brian
Speaker 1: Kelly like doing like the dance with some guy like recruit.
Speaker 1: I'm like, this looks so awkward, but that's what you
Speaker 1: do now, right to get top level recruits. And you
Speaker 1: have to do all this crazy stuff because you're catering
Speaker 1: and your livelihood is attached to seventeen and eighteen year
Speaker 1: old kids. All right, last one, we'll get you out
Speaker 1: of here. You guys have touched on your love of
Speaker 1: wine several times. I'm not going to ask you what
Speaker 1: your favorite wine is because for those that are listening,
Speaker 1: it's probably very expensive. So give people out there who
Speaker 1: may be interested in wine or thinking about starting to
Speaker 1: become interested in wine. What are some good value buys
Speaker 1: for people out there that you would recommend. I could
Speaker 1: tell you Carson does not even say what's mine? Camus.
Speaker 1: Camus is a good one. Yeah, but that's hold on out.
Speaker 1: That's everybody. You said value line, good value, good value,
Speaker 1: like less expensive within I mean, Camus, you're talking about
Speaker 1: anywhere between seventy five one hundred dollars just for that's
Speaker 1: a value line. For Carson, that's like a Tuesday. That's
Speaker 1: like a Tuesday, like Carson the listener that probably to
Speaker 1: spend one hundred bucks on a Tuesday night on an
Speaker 1: every day Katta, do you really don't what you're saying.
Speaker 1: What you're saying is all you guys do is drink
Speaker 1: expensive wine. There are oh no, no, no no. I
Speaker 1: would back up and start saying, what do you like
Speaker 1: to drink? First of all, right, like if you like
Speaker 1: to drink cabs because NAPA has just gotten so out
Speaker 1: of control and everything is expensive, right, But if you're
Speaker 1: open to drinking different varietals, then I can recommend a
Speaker 1: lot of different stuff like pianos or different stuff of
Speaker 1: that nature. You know, Carson, I am talking most recently
Speaker 1: about getting more into like grenashes and suras because the
Speaker 1: Napa Valley cab is just taken off and whether it
Speaker 1: was you know, just a crazy year like it wasn't seventeen,
Speaker 1: or they have smaller surplus where they didn't make wines
Speaker 1: like all of those things, NAPA has just gotten out
Speaker 1: of control with the cab where you can find really
Speaker 1: good value wine, but it's more so. And that's why
Speaker 1: I love wine and love talking about wine, and Carson
Speaker 1: and I enjoyed it. It's so subjective, right, what do
Speaker 1: you like in wine? And when I introduce people are
Speaker 1: trying to educate people on how I learned. It's a
Speaker 1: lot of Okay, well, what region do you like? What
Speaker 1: tasting see like? What don't you like? That's equally as
Speaker 1: important as what you do like? So I mean I
Speaker 1: can nerd out on this. You can have a part
Speaker 1: two of this podcast and start talking about it, because
Speaker 1: I think it's so fun for people to hone in
Speaker 1: on what they really like. And I don't think it's
Speaker 1: a price point because you can get enamored with ratings
Speaker 1: and Robert Parker can tell you how something should taste
Speaker 1: or what it tastes like, or um. I have been
Speaker 1: told I have an amazing mid palette by multiple people
Speaker 1: in Napa Valley. So that's true. So beyond that, what
Speaker 1: does that mean? In Layman's terms, have a very sophisticated
Speaker 1: mid palette. It's uh, it's the creme de la creme.
Speaker 1: Carson wishes he had it, but we're still working on it.
Speaker 1: To develop it. But it's not the front, and it's
Speaker 1: obviously not the back where all the tannins are. Um.
Speaker 1: So it's just one of those things that you either
Speaker 1: yeahta or you know. And I uh, I've been told
Speaker 1: multiple times by some wine makers, some small yas, some
Speaker 1: wine owners in nappa Um that they thought I had
Speaker 1: a really good min palette to be able to taste
Speaker 1: some of those things. So let's, you know, teach his own.
Speaker 1: Drew teaches own. But that's just a second kind of
Speaker 1: what Drew saying. I mean, I don't know. I like
Speaker 1: to drink wine. I don't. I don't really care about
Speaker 1: where it's from, what region it's from, what vintage what.
Speaker 1: I don't care. Um. But I just think, you know,
Speaker 1: there's a handful of really good pinots if if I
Speaker 1: live at high I live at nine thousand feet altitude now,
Speaker 1: so I can't drink cabs anymore. I don't drink cabs anymore.
Speaker 1: If I do drink wine, it's peanuts, um, and peanuts
Speaker 1: just a great substitute for for cabs, because, like Drew's
Speaker 1: talking about, a decent cabs one hundred plus bucks a bottle,
Speaker 1: you can find a really good pino like um like
Speaker 1: William Selman or William Sellium. You know you know that
Speaker 1: that brand drew right, William Selman black and red label.
Speaker 1: It's like sixty bucks a bottle, solid bottle, delicious bottle.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, I mean, I
Speaker 1: really don't care where it's from, what region it's from,
Speaker 1: who the winemaker is, as long as it as long
Speaker 1: as it tastes good and the bottle's not empty, I
Speaker 1: like it. Yeah, Sea smokes a good pino too. That
Speaker 1: I found out that's Michael Bidwell's favorite pino is Ce Smokes.
Speaker 1: I made sure to get him some see smoke when
Speaker 1: my contract was expiring. It's a smart man. I was
Speaker 1: told at a winery when I first started to kind
Speaker 1: of get into it that you taste wine basically with
Speaker 1: your nose. And as you guys can tell with my schnaz,
Speaker 1: that's a good thing. So yeah, it's always the second
Speaker 1: sip too, the first sip. Don't don't take that into account.
Speaker 1: You always have to get the second sip to truly
Speaker 1: taste with the one. Is like all I know is awful.
Speaker 1: When I got COVID last year because I couldn't I
Speaker 1: couldn't smell it even with this thing, this big nose ruins. Well, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: I really appreciate you guys doing this. We could definitely
Speaker 1: have touched down a lot of other subjects, but I
Speaker 1: appreciate the time, fellas. Thanks so much, Thanks Dud. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thanks David. Was a lot of fun. Had so much
Speaker 1: fun with Carson and Drew. We could have gone another hour.
Speaker 1: There were a lot of questions I had that I
Speaker 1: didn't get to, but we kept those guys long enough.
Speaker 1: How about Drew saying how complimentary the folks in Napa
Speaker 1: Valley were about his mid palette and what exactly that means.
Speaker 1: Hopefully you guys enjoyed that, and hopefully if you out
Speaker 1: there are interested in wine, actually were able to glean
Speaker 1: something from Drew and Carson talking about how expensive their
Speaker 1: wine tastes are. Hopefully there was something you could get
Speaker 1: out of that for a more value purchase at the
Speaker 1: grocery store. Of course, they had some very interesting thoughts
Speaker 1: in Kyler Murray and the Earlshunt of Cardinals and whether
Speaker 1: they could make a deep run in the playoffs. It
Speaker 1: was great to get Drew's perspective on Tom Brady being
Speaker 1: a part of that championship run and just hearing Carson
Speaker 1: talk about what it was like to lead that Cardinal
Speaker 1: team back in twenty fifteen to the NFC Championship game.
Speaker 1: Those two guys were so important to the Cardinal's success
Speaker 1: and the culture that was built here. And hopefully this
Speaker 1: Cardinal team can get as far as that Cardinal team
Speaker 1: maybe father. We are presented by bet MGM, the official
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Speaker 1: River Hotels and Casinos. Thanks again to Carson Palmer and
Speaker 1: Drew Stanton. We'll talk to you next week. The legendary
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Speaker 1: guest on the Dave Pash Podcast