WEBVTT - Safe Gun Ownership 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:02.880 Also media. 0:00:05.240 --> 0:00:09.880 What's pew in my hewes? This is Robert Evans and 0:00:10.000 --> 0:00:13.240 it could happen here? A podcast about it happening here, 0:00:13.560 --> 0:00:16.520 as it seems to be more every week and when 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:19.120 things get worse, one thing that a lot of folks 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:21.880 start talking about is should I buy a gun? And 0:00:22.360 --> 0:00:25.440 obviously this is a fraught question and the only responsible 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:27.960 answers to it are very complicated. And so to talk 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:32.519 over some very complicated answers, we've got James Stout and 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:36.280 we have in the audience with us the great Carl Casarta, 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:39.360 Carl of en Range TV. Thank you for coming on 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:43.840 to be our resident firearms expert in this podcast where 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:46.080 we try not to be deeply irresponsible. 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:48.120 Yeah, thank you for having me on. It's always a 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:51.040 pleasure to come back to the show and people always 0:00:51.040 --> 0:00:52.680 ask for more collabs, and here we are, but on 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:55.400 a very important topic. And yes, Billy, question I have 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:56.800 is now is when do you change the name of 0:00:56.840 --> 0:00:57.560 the podcast too? 0:00:57.560 --> 0:01:01.800 Oh no, it's happening here. We're talking with the marketing people. 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:06.520 It done happened here. Oh shit, it's happening again. 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:08.240 It's been happening here. 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:12.800 Yeah, here it is here now right in this moment. 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:15.480 Be here now it. 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:19.080 Yeah, we got to work out which one seo's best. 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:19.760 But we're on it. 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:22.840 Carl, don't worry. We're working on it so as I 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:24.920 think both of you know, but maybe listeners don't. Gun 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:29.800 sales typically saw before elections as to ammunition purchases. People 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:33.119 are afraid of gun bans has been traditionally one reason why, 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:36.640 and the firearms industry is not afraid of hyping those 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:40.480 up to increase sales in election years. Normally, prices increase 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:43.080 in line with demand. Like if you go back to 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:45.560 November twenty twenty and look at the prices of ammunition 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:48.760 and guns compared to now, you'll see how much incredibly 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:50.440 high they were. That was for a number of reasons. 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:54.080 But considering inflation, gun prices are pretty low right now. 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:57.600 You know that is kind of a recurrent thing. For 0:01:57.640 --> 0:02:00.760 the most part is that while every thing else gets 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:04.400 more expensive, television and firearms remain affordable. 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:07.680 Yeah, gun gone to the point where they are more 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:10.799 affordable than they've ever been. Uh huh. Yeah, they really are. 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:14.200 Air fifteens, or I used to talk about this on air. 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:16.800 Fifteens are essentially cord wood and you can get a 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:19.240 fully fled Good to Go Air fifteen now for like 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:21.520 four to five hundred bucks. Yeah, the epistols for two 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:22.480 hundred and fifty bucks. 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:22.920 Oh yeah. 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:26.280 The prices on guns are like through the floor. And yeah, 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:28.800 it's interesting to note that, Like, if you are a 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:31.920 gun manufacturer or a firearms dealer, even if you don't 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:34.880 hype elections, it would be unintelligent of you to not 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:38.320 prep for elections because they're so consistently, Yeah, the Christmas 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:40.320 of gun sales. So this is an instance in which 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:42.040 we didn't see that. It's it's kind of interesting. 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:44.440 I think there's an element because obviously when we talk 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:46.600 I think to people who are not into guns and 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:49.320 talk about how cheap guns have gotten, they're like, well, 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:52.480 that's very bad, and there's definitely downsides to that. But 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:54.720 an upside of that is it does kind of suggest 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:58.840 we are not seeing the degree of panicked hoarding for 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:01.480 a civil war that we have seen at previous points 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:05.320 when gun prices were not as as cratered and am 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:08.480 O prices were a lot higher and availability availability was 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:10.760 a lot lower. Like in some ways, that's kind of 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:11.840 an optimistic sign. 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:14.000 Yeah, or the dark side of that is the traditional 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:17.400 prepper air, quote, is so saturated in guns and ammunition, right, 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:19.880 but they don't even need another one, right. 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:21.880 Well, that's I think that is where a lot of 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:22.519 people are. 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:28.720 Yeah. Also, like capacity really increased in twenty twenty, and 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:31.560 I think they've been pumping out like it's interesting to 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:33.760 look at like the cost of nine millimeters and five 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:36.080 five six ammunition, which if you're not familiar, are like 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:40.480 the most commonly used defensive ammunition rounds compared to more 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:43.600 niche stuff like that hasn't gone down as much if 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:46.640 you're trying to get three hundred wisdom or something. 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:49.080 The funny thing that, yeah, five five six and nine millimeters, 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:52.040 both to defensively add well as just recreationally, are the 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:55.200 most common ammunition. Yeah, by far, and some of the 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:57.320 weird old stuff I like to shoot, like percussion caps 0:03:57.320 --> 0:03:59.720 for percussion revolvers. You can't find enough to to save 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:02.480 your life. That's those through the roof and expensive. So yeah, 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:07.200 they've literally just bunkered down cook intent there and are 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:09.560 making five x six and nine millimeter because that's where 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:11.280 the demand is and will continue to be. 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:15.120 Yeah, I can't find you can't see it. I have 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:17.240 a little reloading set up here I can't find show 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:20.279 gun primus or sent powders anyway now. 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:22.120 And this is going to be a problem because if 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:24.760 we have another Cowboys and Aliens kind of situation, what 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:26.719 are we going to use? You know, what is Harrison 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:29.400 Ford going to use to save us? Anyway? Nobody saw 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:30.960 that movie? Why am I making that joke? 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:33.400 Let me know, I've got a good stashion. 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:37.039 Yeah, we're all going to be leaning heavily on carl 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:41.720 call for all humanity. So I think we've gotten a 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:43.320 little bit ahead of our skis here. We should we 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:46.160 should start by talking because again, I think we've all 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:48.200 seen a lot of people being like, well, I guess 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:50.159 I should get a gun now, as in the wake 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:53.640 of Trump's victory. And I think the first caveat we 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:56.919 should give everyone is like, if you are reacting in 0:04:56.920 --> 0:05:00.000 a way that is totally reasonable to this news, being depressed, right, 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:03.159 if you're somebody who deals with suicidal ideation, if you 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:06.479 have been spiraling lately, if you have been thinking about 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:09.080 self harm, if you are just not in a stable 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:12.000 mental place, and especially if you have no experience with 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:15.279 firearms and are not in a stable mental place, don't 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:18.240 go rush to pick one up now. Look for one thing. 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:20.960 I assure you they will be available in the future. 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:23.799 They are not going to get harder to buy. 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:26.320 No, you know, it mights be of a line from 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:28.760 the movie We Were Soldiers, which is actually a pretty 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:31.320 pretty good movie speaking oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:33.920 lot of fun, not of Phil Gibson. It was pretty good. 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:37.240 And there's a scene where like the old hardened soldier 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:39.919 from Korea World War Two in Korea gets the Vietnam 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:42.000 and he's like, he's just got a pistol, and everyone's 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:44.080 around him saying don't you want to m sixteen? He goes, 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:45.760 don't worry, There'll be plenty of those laying around if 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:48.440 I need one. So right, kind of that's where we're 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:50.520 at in this country. Don't worry, There'll be plenty laying 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:51.400 around if you need one. 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:51.760 Yeah. 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:54.839 Yeah, we are not entering a period where that's you know, 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:57.320 I think there are some specific worries where there may 0:05:57.360 --> 0:06:00.240 be attempts to restrict specific groups from arming themselves, But 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:03.480 even so, I wouldn't say that elevates it above a threat. 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:07.159 If you are dealing with suicidal ideation, having a gun 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:11.480 is not a talisman. As our friend tactical girlfriend often 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:13.919 brings up and you shouldn't treat it as one. And 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:16.080 part of what that means is that, like, you have 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:19.400 to model like the threat that you're facing, right, and 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:22.120 if you are not in immediate danger, if nobody is 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:25.400 threatening to kill you specifically, you know, then that may 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:28.560 not be the safest thing for you, right and particularly, 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:30.880 I think the other side of it that Carl, you 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:32.719 are much more qualified to talk about with than me, 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:34.640 is that if you are going to buy a firearm, 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:36.360 if you want that to be a thing that can 0:06:36.440 --> 0:06:39.960 actually protect you in a situation where you are in danger, 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:43.520 where someone is threatening your life, you have to train 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:43.880 with it. 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:46.719 Yeah. No, absolutely, I think that not to make to 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:48.200 make light of that at all with that little joke 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:50.400 about that movie, but the reality is we as people 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:53.359 humans in general, all of us are bad at threat modeling. 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:56.279 And that's not to say that the perceived threat that 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:58.920 we're seeing with the results isn't real. Yeah, I think 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:02.640 it is. But that said, at the moment, if you're 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:05.000 dealing with some of those issues like you mentioned, or 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:07.680 the living situation you're around or even the community around you, 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:11.600 isn't one in which a firearm laying around is particularly safe, 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:14.880 could mean that you're actually inducing more threat and risk 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:17.400 to yourself than what might come in two years. So 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:19.960 that is something we have to think about very carefully. 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:22.800 Can I possess this responsibly? Do I know how to 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:25.560 use it responsibly? Am I in a place not only 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:28.000 in my living situation but my mental state that possessing 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:31.040 this very quick and easy to use lethal device is 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:33.600 safe to have around? Those are questions you should ask 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:35.720 first before worrying about tomorrow. 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:39.320 Right, Yeah, I mean maybe we should address like a 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:41.360 couple of things that Kyle said right off the bat, 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:45.360 Like you said having a firearm lying around. One thing 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:47.679 that we should address is like, I know I recently 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:50.600 purchased a new gun safe, but like if you have 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:53.520 ex budget to buy a gun. Robert also mentioned that 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:57.040 without training your liability with the gun. Right, maybe we 0:07:57.120 --> 0:08:00.640 can break down if you have a thousand dollars, you 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:02.880 don't need to go out and spend a thousand dollars 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:05.080 on your gun, right, perhaps it would be better to 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:07.760 save some of that money and put it toward other things. 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:10.520 I think it might make sense to just break those 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:13.200 down for people in case they're not familiar. 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:15.120 Yeah, I think that that might be a good place 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:18.000 to start. Is if you decide number one, I'm in 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:21.880 an emotionally stable place. I either have some specific threats 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:24.000 or I want to be prepared for a future where 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:26.560 those threats are more likely. And let's start with a 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:29.160 budget of one thousand dollars, right, And you know this 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:31.000 is one of the there's going to be people who 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:33.320 can't afford a budget of one thousand dollars and that's 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:35.679 very unfortunate. But this is one of those things that 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:39.360 like isn't fair, right, Like guns cost money. Not everyone 0:08:39.640 --> 0:08:43.040 has disposable income, but a thousand dollars I think is 0:08:43.040 --> 0:08:45.560 a reasonable floor for not just acquiring a firearm, but 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:48.079 like the things you need to be able to start 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:51.480 building proficiency with it. So like let's talk about that, Carl, 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:53.680 Like what would you do? What would you advise someone with 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:56.920 a grand who is looking into getting into shooting and 0:08:57.000 --> 0:09:00.439 also being set up to potentially defend themselves they need 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:01.720 to right, So this. 0:09:01.960 --> 0:09:05.000 SUPs It's such a nuanced question and answer because there's 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:07.880 so many variabilities there, one of which is you have 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:09.960 to understand the living situation you in. Are you living 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:12.080 in a place that is solely your own, Do you 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:15.160 live with roommates, do you have children and your parents? 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:18.360 I mean, like these things all come into the equation 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:21.320 about how well can you secure this thing should you 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:24.000 acquire it? And so that comes up to do you 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:25.960 need a full bolt into the wall safe? Do you 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:29.200 need something that is locked with cable underneath the bed 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:32.760 that still is reasonably difficult to get into but is 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:35.360 accessible Otherwise, do you have a situation in which you're 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:37.679 the only one that could access this and therefore you're 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:39.800 not worried about that? So the first thing you have 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:41.559 to think about is I thought, I'm taking possession of 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:45.240 responsibility of this. It is a lethal weapon. What am 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:47.040 I going to do to make sure that that doesn't 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:49.400 fall into the wrong hands, whether there are people that 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:52.400 live within your own structure or outside of it should 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:54.800 something go awright, So you have to consider that. So 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:57.120 right off the bat is what are the situation I'm 0:09:57.160 --> 0:09:59.480 in and what are the things I need to consider 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:02.560 to make sure this doesn't leak out of my control? 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:04.960 Because we've seen in so many instances, especially some of 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:07.160 the horrible spreashootings as such, in which is not the 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:09.520 person that possessed the gun, but someone around them that 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:11.319 took it from them and used it for them, absolutely, 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:14.480 and that's because it wasn't stored well. And so that's 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:16.640 number one. So you're going to think about one. Are 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:19.160 you getting a small a pithol or a long arm? 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:21.080 And that's a discussion to be had too, But those 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:23.360 two equate, and then depending on which one of those 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:26.160 two you're acquiring determines the kind of safe storage or 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:30.240 quirements that also align with your current living situation. Of course, 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:32.400 the best thing is a safe bolted to the floor 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:34.520 that only you can get into. But that's not viable 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:38.920 for everyone, yeah, right, but it's something, right yeah, Yeah. 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:41.000 What comes along with that is you also, this is 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:42.920 going to be true at every stage of this process, 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:45.960 you need to know the laws of your state and 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:48.960 maybe even your local area. Right Like, in Oregon, we 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:52.199 have very strict safe storage laws, right Like, you can 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:54.559 be held accountable to a higher degree in this state 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:57.600 if you don't secure a weapon and someone gets access 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:00.000 to it. Right now, obviously, if you have a safe 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:02.560 and someone drills into your safe, you're not liable, right like, 0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:05.839 you took the actions you could to stop them from 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:08.480 being able to get to your firearms. There's not an 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:11.880 expectation that you have a fortress of solitude or whatever, 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:14.720 but you have to have taken reasonable steps to lock 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:17.839 them away, right, And you know that's going to be different. 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:20.400 A lot of states have absolutely no requirements whatsoever, but 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:23.360 you need to be aware of what your local legal 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:24.040 situation is. 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:26.280 Yeah, I appreciate you bring that to the table because myself, 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:28.560 living in Arizona, we have no such rules, and so 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:31.000 I can essentially you can just keep them on the floor. 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:34.439 I could stack them in my front yard, right, I'm 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:36.160 like a put them out in the yard. We'll see. 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:37.840 I had extra ars. I use them to make a 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:39.520 fence cheaper than would right. 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:42.079 Now, literally cold would now. 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:44.880 So the thing about that is this is again, these 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:47.440 things get more and more complicated over time, and we 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:50.640 don't want to make this conversation impenetrable. But like, the 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:53.640 kind of safe you acquire is important too, and this 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:55.439 is that's a deeper topic than we could ever do 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:57.480 in one video. Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and just 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:00.000 dovetail out to a friend of mine, Devian all Off. 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:02.720 He has a channel. He does a lot of video 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:06.080 work about gun safe and which ones are good or bad. Well, 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:08.439 let's just say the cheap ninety dollars thing with the 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:11.120 cylindrical key lock, isn't it. So you've got to be 0:12:11.160 --> 0:12:12.679 a little better than that. So I would ask them, 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:15.720 let's go with costs you're buying. Let's say, in air fifteen, 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:18.640 you're probably going to need to spend and I'm guessing 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:20.640 here around two hundred and fifty dollars for a safe 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:22.439 that's actually worth a damn Yeah. 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:26.280 Yeah, it's about what I spent recently for little handguns safe. 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:29.560 Yeah, so let's build on that. 0:12:29.679 --> 0:12:32.040 Right, Let's say you've decided that you want a gun, 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:34.040 and that it is safe for you to have a gun. 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:36.800 I think, Yeah, the first thing you want to prioritize 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:39.040 is making sure that no one who for whom it 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:41.880 is not safe gets that gun, which we've addressed right. 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:45.400 The second thing that you need to prioritize is that 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:49.640 you could use that gun safely and like you're not 0:12:49.720 --> 0:12:52.440 a liability every time, yeah, that you pick up and 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:53.559 load that gun, right. 0:12:54.000 --> 0:12:57.320 Yes, And part of that is in And maybe I'll 0:12:57.360 --> 0:12:59.600 have different opinions on this, but I think we're probably 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:03.760 some pad picking the right type of firearm. I see 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:06.040 a lot of people saying, I am worried I'm going 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:08.240 to get attacked, you know, I am. I've been I've 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:11.439 gotten a death threat. You know, I'm scared, particularly of 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:14.079 this group of you know, Nazis or whatever. So I'm 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:16.200 going to buy a handgun, and I will tell you 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:19.560 right now. My opinion is that if you are looking 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:23.520 for a self defense weapon, a handgun probably shouldn't be 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:26.319 what you pick unless you are looking to carry a gun. 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:29.360 Yeah. No, that's a good quote, right. I carry a 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:32.040 handgun because it's unwieldy to walk around with a bin 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:34.800 fifty BMG. Yeah, yeah, I cannot. 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:37.959 I cannot take my ar with me in the street, right, 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:39.240 so I keep a nine on me. 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:42.760 You know, handguns are the most difficult thing to use 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:47.440 skillfully under distress and dress than any other firearm, and 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:51.080 above and beyond that, they are actually the least effect 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:52.559 of it doing the job you think they're going to 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:53.480 do than anything else. 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:56.800 Yeah, yeah, they're a shocking number of people are shot 0:13:57.080 --> 0:13:59.480 way more times than you would expect they could survive 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:02.120 with a hand gun, right Like that is just a 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:04.680 reality of the way that they work. Because they're much 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:08.000 much less powerful than a rifle. And it's also like 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:09.560 I had a friend a couple of years ago who 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:12.320 bought a snubnose thirty eight, thinking, well, this is simple, 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:14.280 I can't fuck it up. It's a good and I 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:17.000 took her out and was like, I need I'm going 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:19.360 to have set up a ten foot target and we'll 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:21.560 see how many times you can hit it with this gun. 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:24.120 And she could not do it one out of five times. 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:27.320 And then I brought out my glock and she was 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:28.440 able to hit it every time. 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:28.800 Right. 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:31.680 And it's because one of those is a much easier 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:35.400 weapon for somebody who is complete a complete novice to 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:37.440 learn how to use functionally, right, And it's not the 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:38.520 snubnose thirty eight. 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:43.360 Yeah, in the roughest of most senses. Typically the smaller 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:46.240 the gun is, the more a professionally you need to 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:47.720 be to use it right. 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:51.520 Yeah. And like with that in mind, you're responsible for 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:55.040 every shot you fire right training in self defense, what 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:57.720 by fucking accident, because you don't have to clean your 0:14:57.720 --> 0:15:00.440 gun or what have you. Every bullet that leaves out barrel, 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:03.880 it's your fault. And every one of those is potentially 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:07.720 someone's life. So when you're thinking about buying a gun. 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:11.600 You want to have something where you can a handle 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:14.480 it safely and be discharging and know where that bullet's 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:14.840 going to go. 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:17.280 Yeah. So on that note, this has been asked for 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:19.240 me many times, and we're talking about where all we 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:20.960 are on the same page. It's like when someone asks 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:22.680 me this question and it comes up more than you'd think. 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:25.120 First of all, we're getting past the issue of like 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:27.160 are you safe to own this and safe storage. So 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:29.000 now we're at the point you are buying a gun, right, 0:15:29.040 --> 0:15:31.320 so you have to think, oh, what's the threat? Are 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:33.720 we worried about three years from now and the potential 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:37.560 realities of a very caustic and dangerous political future. Are 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:40.120 you worried about only home defense? Are you worried about 0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:43.200 your own self protection walking down the street, because obviously 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:44.960 you're not going to be well, not obviously, but for 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:46.240 the most part you're not going to be carrying an 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:48.920 AAR fifteen down the street. But if you are only 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:51.760 worried about your castle, make a joke about castle, doctor, 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:54.280 And if you're only worried about your house, inside your house, 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:57.560 there is no reason to be picking a pistol, none whatsoever. 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:00.600 Now I will say that there's a number of folks 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:02.800 in the lefty gun space who will say, so, just 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:05.520 get an AR fifteen. That's not always going to be 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:08.600 practical depending on your loss, right, Like, that is not 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:12.680 something that we can say everyone will be able to do, right, Yeah, 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:15.520 but we can say there will be a non handgun 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:18.040 option that will probably be a better fit for you. 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:18.640 Yeah. 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:20.480 Absolutely, And this is where we see a lot of 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:22.720 people in the gun space. It's kind of weird, like 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:26.480 cultural shifts in the zeitgeist. What's the cool defensive thing 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:29.120 of the time. But there's a lot to be said 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:31.320 depending on what you think you're going to have to 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:34.280 shoot a hopefully never of course, but like, yeah, an 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:36.920 AR fifteen does things like armour piercing in terms of 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:39.560 kevlar and da da da da dah. But for home defense, 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:42.320 it really still is kind of hard to go wrong 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:44.720 with a shotgun in many instances, and that should not 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:45.240 be ignored. 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:47.840 You know what else shouldn't be ignored, Huh, it's our 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:51.280 obligation to pivot to advertisements about every fifteen minutes on 0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:51.720 this show. 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:04.320 All right, we're back, Kyle. 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:07.840 You've mentioned that you think a shotgun sometimes can be 0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:09.080 more effective than now fifteen. 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:10.280 Especially. 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:11.880 Another thing I would add is here, in a state 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:16.680 like California, the laws regarding Semul automatic centerfire rifles are 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:21.120 incredibly confusing. It's extremely easy to buy something on Amazon 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:23.680 and slap it on your gun and render it a felony. 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:28.359 Yeah, I would generally say, like in most situations, an AR, 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:30.640 if you're new to shooting, it's going to be easier 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:34.200 to figure out. They're very simple, easy to upgrade and modify. 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:37.760 But like yeah, in California, in a state New York 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:40.679 is similar, it's very easy to commit a felony with 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:43.359 an AR fifteen and not know that you are. And 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:45.200 you don't want to find out that your gun is 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:47.600 a felony when you have to use it in self defense. 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:50.400 Right. This is an instance in which the good old 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:52.400 man again, I'm not trying to per I'm not I'm 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:54.280 not on team shotgun here, but when it comes to 0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:58.520 cross all state lines, I mean, sure, there's an exception somewhere, 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:03.400 but for the most part, a manually pump activated shotgun, yeah, 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:07.000 is likely to not run a foul of the law anywhere. Additionally, 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:09.080 there's a good chance that if you were to and 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:11.880 we have to consider all realities, there's a good chance 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:13.840