Speaker 1: Also media.
Speaker 2: What's pew in my hewes? This is Robert Evans and
Speaker 2: it could happen here? A podcast about it happening here,
Speaker 2: as it seems to be more every week and when
Speaker 2: things get worse, one thing that a lot of folks
Speaker 2: start talking about is should I buy a gun? And
Speaker 2: obviously this is a fraught question and the only responsible
Speaker 2: answers to it are very complicated. And so to talk
Speaker 2: over some very complicated answers, we've got James Stout and
Speaker 2: we have in the audience with us the great Carl Casarta,
Speaker 2: Carl of en Range TV. Thank you for coming on
Speaker 2: to be our resident firearms expert in this podcast where
Speaker 2: we try not to be deeply irresponsible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you for having me on. It's always a
Speaker 3: pleasure to come back to the show and people always
Speaker 3: ask for more collabs, and here we are, but on
Speaker 3: a very important topic. And yes, Billy, question I have
Speaker 3: is now is when do you change the name of
Speaker 3: the podcast too?
Speaker 2: Oh no, it's happening here. We're talking with the marketing people.
Speaker 2: It done happened here. Oh shit, it's happening again.
Speaker 3: It's been happening here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, here it is here now right in this moment.
Speaker 3: Be here now it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we got to work out which one seo's best.
Speaker 3: But we're on it.
Speaker 4: Carl, don't worry. We're working on it so as I
Speaker 4: think both of you know, but maybe listeners don't. Gun
Speaker 4: sales typically saw before elections as to ammunition purchases. People
Speaker 4: are afraid of gun bans has been traditionally one reason why,
Speaker 4: and the firearms industry is not afraid of hyping those
Speaker 4: up to increase sales in election years. Normally, prices increase
Speaker 4: in line with demand. Like if you go back to
Speaker 4: November twenty twenty and look at the prices of ammunition
Speaker 4: and guns compared to now, you'll see how much incredibly
Speaker 4: high they were. That was for a number of reasons.
Speaker 4: But considering inflation, gun prices are pretty low right now.
Speaker 2: You know that is kind of a recurrent thing. For
Speaker 2: the most part is that while every thing else gets
Speaker 2: more expensive, television and firearms remain affordable.
Speaker 3: Yeah, gun gone to the point where they are more
Speaker 3: affordable than they've ever been. Uh huh. Yeah, they really are.
Speaker 3: Air fifteens, or I used to talk about this on air.
Speaker 3: Fifteens are essentially cord wood and you can get a
Speaker 3: fully fled Good to Go Air fifteen now for like
Speaker 3: four to five hundred bucks. Yeah, the epistols for two
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty bucks.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: The prices on guns are like through the floor. And yeah,
Speaker 3: it's interesting to note that, Like, if you are a
Speaker 3: gun manufacturer or a firearms dealer, even if you don't
Speaker 3: hype elections, it would be unintelligent of you to not
Speaker 3: prep for elections because they're so consistently, Yeah, the Christmas
Speaker 3: of gun sales. So this is an instance in which
Speaker 3: we didn't see that. It's it's kind of interesting.
Speaker 2: I think there's an element because obviously when we talk
Speaker 2: I think to people who are not into guns and
Speaker 2: talk about how cheap guns have gotten, they're like, well,
Speaker 2: that's very bad, and there's definitely downsides to that. But
Speaker 2: an upside of that is it does kind of suggest
Speaker 2: we are not seeing the degree of panicked hoarding for
Speaker 2: a civil war that we have seen at previous points
Speaker 2: when gun prices were not as as cratered and am
Speaker 2: O prices were a lot higher and availability availability was
Speaker 2: a lot lower. Like in some ways, that's kind of
Speaker 2: an optimistic sign.
Speaker 3: Yeah, or the dark side of that is the traditional
Speaker 3: prepper air, quote, is so saturated in guns and ammunition, right,
Speaker 3: but they don't even need another one, right.
Speaker 2: Well, that's I think that is where a lot of
Speaker 2: people are.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Also, like capacity really increased in twenty twenty, and
Speaker 4: I think they've been pumping out like it's interesting to
Speaker 4: look at like the cost of nine millimeters and five
Speaker 4: five six ammunition, which if you're not familiar, are like
Speaker 4: the most commonly used defensive ammunition rounds compared to more
Speaker 4: niche stuff like that hasn't gone down as much if
Speaker 4: you're trying to get three hundred wisdom or something.
Speaker 3: The funny thing that, yeah, five five six and nine millimeters,
Speaker 3: both to defensively add well as just recreationally, are the
Speaker 3: most common ammunition. Yeah, by far, and some of the
Speaker 3: weird old stuff I like to shoot, like percussion caps
Speaker 3: for percussion revolvers. You can't find enough to to save
Speaker 3: your life. That's those through the roof and expensive. So yeah,
Speaker 3: they've literally just bunkered down cook intent there and are
Speaker 3: making five x six and nine millimeter because that's where
Speaker 3: the demand is and will continue to be.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't find you can't see it. I have
Speaker 4: a little reloading set up here I can't find show
Speaker 4: gun primus or sent powders anyway now.
Speaker 2: And this is going to be a problem because if
Speaker 2: we have another Cowboys and Aliens kind of situation, what
Speaker 2: are we going to use? You know, what is Harrison
Speaker 2: Ford going to use to save us? Anyway? Nobody saw
Speaker 2: that movie? Why am I making that joke?
Speaker 3: Let me know, I've got a good stashion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're all going to be leaning heavily on carl
Speaker 2: call for all humanity. So I think we've gotten a
Speaker 2: little bit ahead of our skis here. We should we
Speaker 2: should start by talking because again, I think we've all
Speaker 2: seen a lot of people being like, well, I guess
Speaker 2: I should get a gun now, as in the wake
Speaker 2: of Trump's victory. And I think the first caveat we
Speaker 2: should give everyone is like, if you are reacting in
Speaker 2: a way that is totally reasonable to this news, being depressed, right,
Speaker 2: if you're somebody who deals with suicidal ideation, if you
Speaker 2: have been spiraling lately, if you have been thinking about
Speaker 2: self harm, if you are just not in a stable
Speaker 2: mental place, and especially if you have no experience with
Speaker 2: firearms and are not in a stable mental place, don't
Speaker 2: go rush to pick one up now. Look for one thing.
Speaker 2: I assure you they will be available in the future.
Speaker 2: They are not going to get harder to buy.
Speaker 3: No, you know, it mights be of a line from
Speaker 3: the movie We Were Soldiers, which is actually a pretty
Speaker 3: pretty good movie speaking oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a
Speaker 3: lot of fun, not of Phil Gibson. It was pretty good.
Speaker 3: And there's a scene where like the old hardened soldier
Speaker 3: from Korea World War Two in Korea gets the Vietnam
Speaker 3: and he's like, he's just got a pistol, and everyone's
Speaker 3: around him saying don't you want to m sixteen? He goes,
Speaker 3: don't worry, There'll be plenty of those laying around if
Speaker 3: I need one. So right, kind of that's where we're
Speaker 3: at in this country. Don't worry, There'll be plenty laying
Speaker 3: around if you need one.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we are not entering a period where that's you know,
Speaker 2: I think there are some specific worries where there may
Speaker 2: be attempts to restrict specific groups from arming themselves, But
Speaker 2: even so, I wouldn't say that elevates it above a threat.
Speaker 2: If you are dealing with suicidal ideation, having a gun
Speaker 2: is not a talisman. As our friend tactical girlfriend often
Speaker 2: brings up and you shouldn't treat it as one. And
Speaker 2: part of what that means is that, like, you have
Speaker 2: to model like the threat that you're facing, right, and
Speaker 2: if you are not in immediate danger, if nobody is
Speaker 2: threatening to kill you specifically, you know, then that may
Speaker 2: not be the safest thing for you, right and particularly,
Speaker 2: I think the other side of it that Carl, you
Speaker 2: are much more qualified to talk about with than me,
Speaker 2: is that if you are going to buy a firearm,
Speaker 2: if you want that to be a thing that can
Speaker 2: actually protect you in a situation where you are in danger,
Speaker 2: where someone is threatening your life, you have to train
Speaker 2: with it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, absolutely, I think that not to make to
Speaker 3: make light of that at all with that little joke
Speaker 3: about that movie, but the reality is we as people
Speaker 3: humans in general, all of us are bad at threat modeling.
Speaker 3: And that's not to say that the perceived threat that
Speaker 3: we're seeing with the results isn't real. Yeah, I think
Speaker 3: it is. But that said, at the moment, if you're
Speaker 3: dealing with some of those issues like you mentioned, or
Speaker 3: the living situation you're around or even the community around you,
Speaker 3: isn't one in which a firearm laying around is particularly safe,
Speaker 3: could mean that you're actually inducing more threat and risk
Speaker 3: to yourself than what might come in two years. So
Speaker 3: that is something we have to think about very carefully.
Speaker 3: Can I possess this responsibly? Do I know how to
Speaker 3: use it responsibly? Am I in a place not only
Speaker 3: in my living situation but my mental state that possessing
Speaker 3: this very quick and easy to use lethal device is
Speaker 3: safe to have around? Those are questions you should ask
Speaker 3: first before worrying about tomorrow.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I mean maybe we should address like a
Speaker 4: couple of things that Kyle said right off the bat,
Speaker 4: Like you said having a firearm lying around. One thing
Speaker 4: that we should address is like, I know I recently
Speaker 4: purchased a new gun safe, but like if you have
Speaker 4: ex budget to buy a gun. Robert also mentioned that
Speaker 4: without training your liability with the gun. Right, maybe we
Speaker 4: can break down if you have a thousand dollars, you
Speaker 4: don't need to go out and spend a thousand dollars
Speaker 4: on your gun, right, perhaps it would be better to
Speaker 4: save some of that money and put it toward other things.
Speaker 4: I think it might make sense to just break those
Speaker 4: down for people in case they're not familiar.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that that might be a good place
Speaker 2: to start. Is if you decide number one, I'm in
Speaker 2: an emotionally stable place. I either have some specific threats
Speaker 2: or I want to be prepared for a future where
Speaker 2: those threats are more likely. And let's start with a
Speaker 2: budget of one thousand dollars, right, And you know this
Speaker 2: is one of the there's going to be people who
Speaker 2: can't afford a budget of one thousand dollars and that's
Speaker 2: very unfortunate. But this is one of those things that
Speaker 2: like isn't fair, right, Like guns cost money. Not everyone
Speaker 2: has disposable income, but a thousand dollars I think is
Speaker 2: a reasonable floor for not just acquiring a firearm, but
Speaker 2: like the things you need to be able to start
Speaker 2: building proficiency with it. So like let's talk about that, Carl,
Speaker 2: Like what would you do? What would you advise someone with
Speaker 2: a grand who is looking into getting into shooting and
Speaker 2: also being set up to potentially defend themselves they need
Speaker 2: to right, So this.
Speaker 3: SUPs It's such a nuanced question and answer because there's
Speaker 3: so many variabilities there, one of which is you have
Speaker 3: to understand the living situation you in. Are you living
Speaker 3: in a place that is solely your own, Do you
Speaker 3: live with roommates, do you have children and your parents?
Speaker 3: I mean, like these things all come into the equation
Speaker 3: about how well can you secure this thing should you
Speaker 3: acquire it? And so that comes up to do you
Speaker 3: need a full bolt into the wall safe? Do you
Speaker 3: need something that is locked with cable underneath the bed
Speaker 3: that still is reasonably difficult to get into but is
Speaker 3: accessible Otherwise, do you have a situation in which you're
Speaker 3: the only one that could access this and therefore you're
Speaker 3: not worried about that? So the first thing you have
Speaker 3: to think about is I thought, I'm taking possession of
Speaker 3: responsibility of this. It is a lethal weapon. What am
Speaker 3: I going to do to make sure that that doesn't
Speaker 3: fall into the wrong hands, whether there are people that
Speaker 3: live within your own structure or outside of it should
Speaker 3: something go awright, So you have to consider that. So
Speaker 3: right off the bat is what are the situation I'm
Speaker 3: in and what are the things I need to consider
Speaker 3: to make sure this doesn't leak out of my control?
Speaker 3: Because we've seen in so many instances, especially some of
Speaker 3: the horrible spreashootings as such, in which is not the
Speaker 3: person that possessed the gun, but someone around them that
Speaker 3: took it from them and used it for them, absolutely,
Speaker 3: and that's because it wasn't stored well. And so that's
Speaker 3: number one. So you're going to think about one. Are
Speaker 3: you getting a small a pithol or a long arm?
Speaker 3: And that's a discussion to be had too, But those
Speaker 3: two equate, and then depending on which one of those
Speaker 3: two you're acquiring determines the kind of safe storage or
Speaker 3: quirements that also align with your current living situation. Of course,
Speaker 3: the best thing is a safe bolted to the floor
Speaker 3: that only you can get into. But that's not viable
Speaker 3: for everyone, yeah, right, but it's something, right yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 2: What comes along with that is you also, this is
Speaker 2: going to be true at every stage of this process,
Speaker 2: you need to know the laws of your state and
Speaker 2: maybe even your local area. Right Like, in Oregon, we
Speaker 2: have very strict safe storage laws, right Like, you can
Speaker 2: be held accountable to a higher degree in this state
Speaker 2: if you don't secure a weapon and someone gets access
Speaker 2: to it. Right now, obviously, if you have a safe
Speaker 2: and someone drills into your safe, you're not liable, right like,
Speaker 2: you took the actions you could to stop them from
Speaker 2: being able to get to your firearms. There's not an
Speaker 2: expectation that you have a fortress of solitude or whatever,
Speaker 2: but you have to have taken reasonable steps to lock
Speaker 2: them away, right, And you know that's going to be different.
Speaker 2: A lot of states have absolutely no requirements whatsoever, but
Speaker 2: you need to be aware of what your local legal
Speaker 2: situation is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate you bring that to the table because myself,
Speaker 3: living in Arizona, we have no such rules, and so
Speaker 3: I can essentially you can just keep them on the floor.
Speaker 3: I could stack them in my front yard, right, I'm
Speaker 3: like a put them out in the yard. We'll see.
Speaker 3: I had extra ars. I use them to make a
Speaker 3: fence cheaper than would right.
Speaker 4: Now, literally cold would now.
Speaker 3: So the thing about that is this is again, these
Speaker 3: things get more and more complicated over time, and we
Speaker 3: don't want to make this conversation impenetrable. But like, the
Speaker 3: kind of safe you acquire is important too, and this
Speaker 3: is that's a deeper topic than we could ever do
Speaker 3: in one video. Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and just
Speaker 3: dovetail out to a friend of mine, Devian all Off.
Speaker 3: He has a channel. He does a lot of video
Speaker 3: work about gun safe and which ones are good or bad. Well,
Speaker 3: let's just say the cheap ninety dollars thing with the
Speaker 3: cylindrical key lock, isn't it. So you've got to be
Speaker 3: a little better than that. So I would ask them,
Speaker 3: let's go with costs you're buying. Let's say, in air fifteen,
Speaker 3: you're probably going to need to spend and I'm guessing
Speaker 3: here around two hundred and fifty dollars for a safe
Speaker 3: that's actually worth a damn Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's about what I spent recently for little handguns safe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's build on that.
Speaker 4: Right, Let's say you've decided that you want a gun,
Speaker 4: and that it is safe for you to have a gun.
Speaker 4: I think, Yeah, the first thing you want to prioritize
Speaker 4: is making sure that no one who for whom it
Speaker 4: is not safe gets that gun, which we've addressed right.
Speaker 4: The second thing that you need to prioritize is that
Speaker 4: you could use that gun safely and like you're not
Speaker 4: a liability every time, yeah, that you pick up and
Speaker 4: load that gun, right.
Speaker 2: Yes, And part of that is in And maybe I'll
Speaker 2: have different opinions on this, but I think we're probably
Speaker 2: some pad picking the right type of firearm. I see
Speaker 2: a lot of people saying, I am worried I'm going
Speaker 2: to get attacked, you know, I am. I've been I've
Speaker 2: gotten a death threat. You know, I'm scared, particularly of
Speaker 2: this group of you know, Nazis or whatever. So I'm
Speaker 2: going to buy a handgun, and I will tell you
Speaker 2: right now. My opinion is that if you are looking
Speaker 2: for a self defense weapon, a handgun probably shouldn't be
Speaker 2: what you pick unless you are looking to carry a gun.
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, that's a good quote, right. I carry a
Speaker 3: handgun because it's unwieldy to walk around with a bin
Speaker 3: fifty BMG. Yeah, yeah, I cannot.
Speaker 2: I cannot take my ar with me in the street, right,
Speaker 2: so I keep a nine on me.
Speaker 3: You know, handguns are the most difficult thing to use
Speaker 3: skillfully under distress and dress than any other firearm, and
Speaker 3: above and beyond that, they are actually the least effect
Speaker 3: of it doing the job you think they're going to
Speaker 3: do than anything else.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they're a shocking number of people are shot
Speaker 2: way more times than you would expect they could survive
Speaker 2: with a hand gun, right Like that is just a
Speaker 2: reality of the way that they work. Because they're much
Speaker 2: much less powerful than a rifle. And it's also like
Speaker 2: I had a friend a couple of years ago who
Speaker 2: bought a snubnose thirty eight, thinking, well, this is simple,
Speaker 2: I can't fuck it up. It's a good and I
Speaker 2: took her out and was like, I need I'm going
Speaker 2: to have set up a ten foot target and we'll
Speaker 2: see how many times you can hit it with this gun.
Speaker 2: And she could not do it one out of five times.
Speaker 2: And then I brought out my glock and she was
Speaker 2: able to hit it every time.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: And it's because one of those is a much easier
Speaker 2: weapon for somebody who is complete a complete novice to
Speaker 2: learn how to use functionally, right, And it's not the
Speaker 2: snubnose thirty eight.
Speaker 3: Yeah, in the roughest of most senses. Typically the smaller
Speaker 3: the gun is, the more a professionally you need to
Speaker 3: be to use it right.
Speaker 4: Yeah. And like with that in mind, you're responsible for
Speaker 4: every shot you fire right training in self defense, what
Speaker 4: by fucking accident, because you don't have to clean your
Speaker 4: gun or what have you. Every bullet that leaves out barrel,
Speaker 4: it's your fault. And every one of those is potentially
Speaker 4: someone's life. So when you're thinking about buying a gun.
Speaker 4: You want to have something where you can a handle
Speaker 4: it safely and be discharging and know where that bullet's
Speaker 4: going to go.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So on that note, this has been asked for
Speaker 3: me many times, and we're talking about where all we
Speaker 3: are on the same page. It's like when someone asks
Speaker 3: me this question and it comes up more than you'd think.
Speaker 3: First of all, we're getting past the issue of like
Speaker 3: are you safe to own this and safe storage. So
Speaker 3: now we're at the point you are buying a gun, right,
Speaker 3: so you have to think, oh, what's the threat? Are
Speaker 3: we worried about three years from now and the potential
Speaker 3: realities of a very caustic and dangerous political future. Are
Speaker 3: you worried about only home defense? Are you worried about
Speaker 3: your own self protection walking down the street, because obviously
Speaker 3: you're not going to be well, not obviously, but for
Speaker 3: the most part you're not going to be carrying an
Speaker 3: AAR fifteen down the street. But if you are only
Speaker 3: worried about your castle, make a joke about castle, doctor,
Speaker 3: And if you're only worried about your house, inside your house,
Speaker 3: there is no reason to be picking a pistol, none whatsoever.
Speaker 2: Now I will say that there's a number of folks
Speaker 2: in the lefty gun space who will say, so, just
Speaker 2: get an AR fifteen. That's not always going to be
Speaker 2: practical depending on your loss, right, Like, that is not
Speaker 2: something that we can say everyone will be able to do, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: but we can say there will be a non handgun
Speaker 2: option that will probably be a better fit for you.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And this is where we see a lot of
Speaker 3: people in the gun space. It's kind of weird, like
Speaker 3: cultural shifts in the zeitgeist. What's the cool defensive thing
Speaker 3: of the time. But there's a lot to be said
Speaker 3: depending on what you think you're going to have to
Speaker 3: shoot a hopefully never of course, but like, yeah, an
Speaker 3: AR fifteen does things like armour piercing in terms of
Speaker 3: kevlar and da da da da dah. But for home defense,
Speaker 3: it really still is kind of hard to go wrong
Speaker 3: with a shotgun in many instances, and that should not
Speaker 3: be ignored.
Speaker 4: You know what else shouldn't be ignored, Huh, it's our
Speaker 4: obligation to pivot to advertisements about every fifteen minutes on
Speaker 4: this show.
Speaker 3: All right, we're back, Kyle.
Speaker 4: You've mentioned that you think a shotgun sometimes can be
Speaker 4: more effective than now fifteen.
Speaker 3: Especially.
Speaker 4: Another thing I would add is here, in a state
Speaker 4: like California, the laws regarding Semul automatic centerfire rifles are
Speaker 4: incredibly confusing. It's extremely easy to buy something on Amazon
Speaker 4: and slap it on your gun and render it a felony.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would generally say, like in most situations, an AR,
Speaker 2: if you're new to shooting, it's going to be easier
Speaker 2: to figure out. They're very simple, easy to upgrade and modify.
Speaker 2: But like yeah, in California, in a state New York
Speaker 2: is similar, it's very easy to commit a felony with
Speaker 2: an AR fifteen and not know that you are. And
Speaker 2: you don't want to find out that your gun is
Speaker 2: a felony when you have to use it in self defense.
Speaker 3: Right. This is an instance in which the good old
Speaker 3: man again, I'm not trying to per I'm not I'm
Speaker 3: not on team shotgun here, but when it comes to
Speaker 3: cross all state lines, I mean, sure, there's an exception somewhere,
Speaker 3: but for the most part, a manually pump activated shotgun, yeah,
Speaker 3: is likely to not run a foul of the law anywhere. Additionally,
Speaker 3: there's a good chance that if you were to and
Speaker 3: we have to consider all realities, there's a good chance
Speaker 3: that should you need to use it, that when you're
Speaker 3: in court trying to defend yourself for using this lethal weapon.
Speaker 3: A shotgun doesn't seem to evoke the same concerns let's say,
Speaker 3: from courts and from judges that an ar might and yar.
Speaker 3: You know, regardless of how common they are and how
Speaker 3: much they proliferate society, there's still those scary rifles. A
Speaker 3: shotgun does not tend to evoke that same kind of response.
Speaker 3: It is most likely legal almost anywhere, and the diversity
Speaker 3: of ammunition you can use in it really bridges the
Speaker 3: gap from one yard to one hundred yards or more.
Speaker 3: But a lot of people that are new to guns
Speaker 3: will think, well, shotgun, I don't need to aim. That
Speaker 3: is incorrect. Shotguns need to be aimed as much as
Speaker 3: any other long arm. They're just very effective when they
Speaker 3: actually connect.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of those I think because I do change,
Speaker 2: like what I am taking with me based on where
Speaker 2: I go, and like when I'm in California, I generally
Speaker 2: like if I'm going camping or something, I'll make sure
Speaker 2: I have a twelve gage in the car, right because
Speaker 2: I'm not going to try to get whatever this month's
Speaker 2: gun laws are, right, you know, like that's just not
Speaker 2: practical to me. That said, I think because there are
Speaker 2: a number of people who will be very frustrated us
Speaker 2: talking about shotguns. One thing that they are right about
Speaker 2: is there's a different type of training that's necessary with
Speaker 2: the shotgun, and they are in some ways more complicated
Speaker 2: to use than an AR in part because for every shot,
Speaker 2: well unless it's a semi automatic, like for every shot
Speaker 2: you're pumping it, right, and like that is there's muscle
Speaker 2: memory that has to be built there. Right, it's harder,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe a little bit slower to get up
Speaker 2: to a level or at least you have to train
Speaker 2: differently with it.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: The other thing about it is that like it loads
Speaker 2: very differently. You know, a shotgun is a completely different
Speaker 2: kind of ammunition than an AR has, which all goes
Speaker 2: back to the whole like you have to be willing
Speaker 2: to train with whatever it is are going to use,
Speaker 2: fair enough.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So ideally, like if you're in this position of thinking,
Speaker 4: if you can find a friend or failing that, arrange
Speaker 4: that will allow you to try different guns. I think
Speaker 4: as a novice, you're going to pick up if you've
Speaker 4: never shot a gun before, I probably wouldn't pick up
Speaker 4: a twelve gage shotgun and start pewing away because the
Speaker 4: recoil will be quite profound and notable to you. So
Speaker 4: don't start there. Start with something else.
Speaker 2: There's smaller shotguns at twenty gauge.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and those are fine expected if you're a smaller
Speaker 4: statute person. Even a twenty eight or sixteens are hard
Speaker 4: to probably buy a defensive ammunition for. But I think
Speaker 4: if you can when you begin that journey after the
Speaker 4: TV Blell say, with hangguns, find one that fits your hand.
Speaker 4: You probably have no idea what fits you and feels
Speaker 4: good if you're just starting out. Yeah, finding someone who
Speaker 4: is local to you, ideally who has some experience who
Speaker 4: can help you along that process, I think, and someone
Speaker 4: who you trust, right Like I've been like I have
Speaker 4: to train. I have a concealer carry weapons permit in California.
Speaker 4: The last time I went to take a course like
Speaker 4: from the outset, I got like xenophobia, homophobia, like jokes
Speaker 4: that I guess the guy who was instructing the course
Speaker 4: thought that everyone was in on, just like they made
Speaker 4: me feel unwelcome and I'm as sis het white guy. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but I think maybe we should address that, Like, if
Speaker 4: you're thinking getting started, what kind of instruction should you
Speaker 4: look for, where should you look for it? And like
Speaker 4: what would you recommend maybe other sources to Kyle, Like
Speaker 4: your YouTube channel has been a great resource for me.
Speaker 3: This is this is where we're in the firearms it's
Speaker 3: owning a thing doesn't make a community. So there's always
Speaker 3: a phrase the gun community. It's not a thing owning.
Speaker 3: Owning a thing doesn't make a community. A community is
Speaker 3: a group of people that bond together over a mutual
Speaker 3: beliefs and hopefully care for one another. So there's no
Speaker 3: firearms community. But that's the broad scope of people that
Speaker 3: have been interested in the topic for the longest doration
Speaker 3: of time. Has been mostly succeeded to a group that
Speaker 3: we would not find ourselves aligned with or comfortable with
Speaker 3: being around. And so this is where the community building
Speaker 3: thing is real because the more we build communities, and
Speaker 3: we're behind in this regards in terms to alternative voices
Speaker 3: in the firearm space, but the more we build that
Speaker 3: community not only online but amongst one another, the more
Speaker 3: we're going to have safer, better spaces for us to
Speaker 3: work together to learn how to use these things safely
Speaker 3: and efficiently. And that is a challenge. If you walk
Speaker 3: in sight unseen to a place that is probably foreign
Speaker 3: to you in firearms land, sadly, at this time point
Speaker 3: in time, is a pretty good chance it's not going
Speaker 3: to be something you're gonna be comfortable with, quite honestly,
Speaker 3: just like you mentioned James, like, it's going to be
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. There's probably gonna be Trump stuff
Speaker 3: on the wall, there's probably going you're probably gonna hear
Speaker 3: some jokes that are just jokes, but you know they're
Speaker 3: really not Ye. That's the kind of space that that's
Speaker 3: filled with. And so when people come and say, well
Speaker 3: who can I go to to get this training with,
Speaker 3: I'm like, that's challenging. There's some options online, there's like
Speaker 3: Operation Blazing Sword, There's there's there's the Liberal Gun Club
Speaker 3: has some training options as well. But what's better is
Speaker 3: finding people interconnecting with people of like mind around you
Speaker 3: if you can, and working together and then actually building
Speaker 3: a real community that isn't a gun community. And that's
Speaker 3: what we're going to find solace and the ability to
Speaker 3: get better with this stuff. Together not a great exactly
Speaker 3: a strong answer, but if the truth, but if you're
Speaker 3: going in, if you're going in just unhindered, you're going
Speaker 3: to expect it to be a place that you're probably
Speaker 3: not going to be happy with.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that's a really good point. I'd
Speaker 2: like you can we talk a little bit more about
Speaker 2: training options, like not just because you mentioned Operation Blazing Sword,
Speaker 2: I'd like to hear a little more about them, but
Speaker 2: also where people could go for like reading and videos
Speaker 2: in order to kind of find more information on how
Speaker 2: to develop proficiency.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So okay, So YouTube university doesn't teach you how
Speaker 3: to actually like effectively hit targets with something that stuff
Speaker 3: like that you can you can't. There's no way to
Speaker 3: learn that besides doing it. But in terms of general
Speaker 3: firearms unders learning some of the history, learning about how
Speaker 3: guns work, there are some YouTube resources out there. Tactical
Speaker 3: girlfriend you already mentioned, has four years of a legacy
Speaker 3: of content on her site that a lot of it
Speaker 3: is focused on beginner style content. In fact, she just
Speaker 3: posted a playlist. She has kind of stopped making videos
Speaker 3: in general, she mentioned that a while back, but she
Speaker 3: still has her content online and she posted a playlist
Speaker 3: recently of all of her how to get going videos
Speaker 3: one oh one stuff, and that would kind of be
Speaker 3: where I'd start with. Yes, absolutely, my channel in range
Speaker 3: TV has some of that. I tend to focus a
Speaker 3: little bit on the more esoteric and like next level things,
Speaker 3: but that's not to say it's not there as well.
Speaker 3: So I'm not trying to sell promote, but I would
Speaker 3: actually say her playlist is going to be better than
Speaker 3: some of my own, although we have stuff like that
Speaker 3: on range TV as well. If you want to open
Speaker 3: up that dark boy called Reddit, the Liberal Gun Club
Speaker 3: has resources on it. If you go there, they have
Speaker 3: a list of people and local resources. You can also
Speaker 3: google the Liberal Gun Club. I'm not even trying to
Speaker 3: say anyone do that is necessarily identifying as a liberal,
Speaker 3: but they are. They have gathered lists of statewide resources
Speaker 3: as many as they can that are providing training in
Speaker 3: regional places. That would be a good place to start.
Speaker 3: Operation Blating Sword is a subset of that Blake I'll
Speaker 3: I can I pronounce them not named Blake has been
Speaker 3: on my channel and you'll find him there in the
Speaker 3: Liberal Gun Club listing. When I think of that, I
Speaker 3: would say, go to YouTube. Hit up Tactical Girlfriend, go
Speaker 3: to in Rey's TV if you want to see maybe
Speaker 3: not one on one but next level stuff, but a
Speaker 3: friendly space to you. And then check out the Liberal
Speaker 3: Gun Club best I can say, because they do have
Speaker 3: a list of resources that they're gathering across the country.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think one thing that Tactical Girlfriend talks
Speaker 2: about that is acause because you're right, and I think
Speaker 2: this is an important point that like, you have to
Speaker 2: spend time shooting, and you know that costs money in
Speaker 2: order to get better, But there is one thing that
Speaker 2: you can do that does not cost ongoing money to
Speaker 2: get better with a handgun. If you're again looking to
Speaker 2: carry a gun, which is dry fire training, right, which
Speaker 2: is a very useful process of building proficiency. You can
Speaker 2: do it. I mean you could do it every day
Speaker 2: if you want. It will help. It does not replace
Speaker 2: needing to go shoot right, But you can find guides.
Speaker 2: Tactical Girlfriend talks about it a lot, but you can
Speaker 2: find other guides online and that is a way that
Speaker 2: you can kind of stretch your AMMO budget and gain
Speaker 2: additional proficiency.
Speaker 3: There are even products designed specifically for that. One of
Speaker 3: them popule Mind, and there are others like mantis X,
Speaker 3: and you make sure your gun is safely unloaded and
Speaker 3: your proficient with that part of it. You've put these
Speaker 3: devices in and you can actually fire. A dry fire
Speaker 3: is firing with no ammunition in the gun. Click at
Speaker 3: a target on the wall, and it'll teach you things
Speaker 3: about like did you pull to the right, did you
Speaker 3: push to the yes, did you dip the gun? And
Speaker 3: those are very good products that you can use once
Speaker 3: you buy them. Gets more money, but you could train
Speaker 3: proficiently in a safe place without firing live ammunition and
Speaker 3: improve your skills quite a bit. That's good. Point yep.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say another organization I would plug is
Speaker 4: armed Equality, especially if like LGBTQIA people a friend of mine,
Speaker 4: very nice people. As we should go back then to that,
Speaker 4: like Roberts mentioned dry firing, we've mentioned.
Speaker 2: Well first I think we need to go to ads, Jess.
Speaker 4: You're right, Robert, we should go back to Chumba casino.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so dry fire at the wall and think of
Speaker 2: trump a casino or just.
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Speaker 4: All right, we're back. So we've had discussion about training,
Speaker 4: safe storage, and a little bit about like what to
Speaker 4: look at firearms wise, But I want to go back
Speaker 4: to that third one because you are marketed at so
Speaker 4: heavily when you're trying to buy a firearm, right and
Speaker 4: the likelihood of you getting misinformation. Right, we all know
Speaker 4: smaller statute people who have been given yeah as snubnose
Speaker 4: thirty eight a gun that's entirely inappropriate for them. Cow
Speaker 4: what like if you could maybe go through like each
Speaker 4: major category, right, if we do hanggun, shotgun, semi automatic rifle,
Speaker 4: maybe one that is compatible with AR band states, and
Speaker 4: one that's you know, yeah, you're in real America.
Speaker 2: There are some options like the ares SCR that are
Speaker 2: basically AR fifteen's that are a lot easier to keep
Speaker 2: in compliance in a state like California, but they are
Speaker 2: also more than twice as expensive as like a budget
Speaker 2: AR fifteen, right, Like, which is not to say it's
Speaker 2: impossible to have a budget AR fifteen that is in
Speaker 2: comp lot in compliance with California law. It's just I
Speaker 2: am not going to take on the responsibility of telling.
Speaker 3: You how to do that.
Speaker 2: Legally because when I lived in California, I was only
Speaker 2: about eighty percent sure that I was in compliance with
Speaker 2: the law.
Speaker 4: If you're in California, my advice would be to go
Speaker 4: to a shop and buy the gun complete. Yes, don't
Speaker 4: piece it together off the internet.
Speaker 2: That's good at good advice.
Speaker 3: Oh well, if you're a new gun on or don't
Speaker 3: pet anything together because the knowledge to make something reliable
Speaker 3: that you've put together from bits and pieces is not
Speaker 3: a good idea. You want something that's got to I
Speaker 3: mean literally, you want something from a quote unquote reputable
Speaker 3: manufacturer but has a warranty. Like, let's just be that,
Speaker 3: don't even start with trying to put something together. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: so let's just go ahead and start with pistol. So
Speaker 3: the challenge there is like, of course, it would be
Speaker 3: very nice to be able to buy like four of them,
Speaker 3: because you can train with the twenty two and practice
Speaker 3: with this. But let's go with the constraint that we
Speaker 3: had earlier. Of this thousand dollars and you're going to
Speaker 3: buy a pistol and with it you plan to train,
Speaker 3: get better, be proficient, but also maybe have to use
Speaker 3: it for self defense. You really want to stick with
Speaker 3: a nine millimeter. I mean there are smaller guns like
Speaker 3: three eighties and such like that, but we're getting into
Speaker 3: specialist guns. Yeah. What is what I'm going to say
Speaker 3: here across the board? When I recommend something, it's going
Speaker 3: to be the opposite of specialist. It's going to be
Speaker 3: the most bland, boring possible thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And when it comes to that, and I know that
Speaker 3: everyone like, but it's a it's a nine millimeter probably
Speaker 3: a glock. Yep. The glock nineteen is a relatively reasonably
Speaker 3: sized gun. The seventeen is a little bigger the nineteens.
Speaker 3: In this no middle ground. It is carriable. It's small
Speaker 3: enough to be concealed should you have the right to
Speaker 3: do so. But it's big enough to be viable for
Speaker 3: being reasonably accurate with with not extensive amounts of training,
Speaker 3: but enough training to get good. Yeah. And it's a
Speaker 3: bunch around the nine millimeters magazine that just playing works Yep, Yeah, yep.
Speaker 4: If you're on a tight digit, I will say that
Speaker 4: cops are always you can find trade in police clocks
Speaker 4: pretty cheap, cops don't shoot very much. You can sometimes
Speaker 4: get some pretty good deals on those.
Speaker 3: Yep. That's it. I'm revealing a little bit of future
Speaker 3: history of what's going on in range. We're doing a
Speaker 3: video in a couple of weeks. There is a strange
Speaker 3: trade imbalance between us and never mind the politics, Yep,
Speaker 3: Turkey and they are making some really high end, well
Speaker 3: made gun. There is a glock clone from Turkey that
Speaker 3: I can't vouch for yet. But this is the kind
Speaker 3: of where we're at in the gun space. This thing
Speaker 3: is interchangeable with all glock parts and the guns like
Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty bucks.
Speaker 4: Oh well you can't.
Speaker 3: We don't know. Yeah, I'm not saying go buy that,
Speaker 3: but I'm saying we're going to do a review of it.
Speaker 3: The point is there are glock and blocklike things that
Speaker 3: can get the price down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, And so you're looking at you know, if
Speaker 2: you get a budget ar for five hundred bucks, you know,
Speaker 2: a budget not a nine millimeter handgun. Because even if
Speaker 2: with not counting that one, there are other budget options
Speaker 2: that are in the three hundred ish dollar range. You
Speaker 2: just have to look around a bit. And I should
Speaker 2: also note buying used with a firearm is not like
Speaker 2: buying used with electronics. If a gun is well maintained,
Speaker 2: it will outlast you. Yeah right, there are some parts
Speaker 2: that will need replacing from time to time. Right, Your
Speaker 2: springs and stuff are going to age faster than other things.
Speaker 2: And like barrels, you can shoot out, but it takes
Speaker 2: quite a bit of shooting to shoot a barrel, you know, smooth, right,
Speaker 2: So it's never a bad to consider, like finding, like
Speaker 2: you said, like a police trade in or something like that,
Speaker 2: like that could be a great way to save money.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, So when it comes with a pistol, we're talking
Speaker 3: about buying just one pretty much boil it down to
Speaker 3: a nine millimeter yep. That is probably a polymer frame gun,
Speaker 3: not some big heavy steel thing. A glock is is
Speaker 3: like the de facto. But there are others. I mean,
Speaker 3: there's there's hks, there's rugers. Yeah, I like SIGs, but
Speaker 3: they're pricier. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. The thing about glock is
Speaker 3: block's been around forever. It's the standard, finding, accessorizing, buying
Speaker 3: magazines or even getting repairs done to a block is
Speaker 3: ubiquitous across the country. If you get a glock, you'll
Speaker 3: be able to deal with it, fix it, do whatever
Speaker 3: you want to it. Straight up.
Speaker 2: And what has helped me a lot in general, is
Speaker 2: you know, I have my carry gun, I have my
Speaker 2: home defense firearm, and then I have I have bought
Speaker 2: built a couple of firearms from the ground up, and
Speaker 2: I would certainly, as you said, I would never have
Speaker 2: started there. But because I had the extra money doing
Speaker 2: that means that has given me so much deeper of
Speaker 2: an understanding of what goes wrong when things do go
Speaker 2: wrong with a gun and how to fix it. Like
Speaker 2: I've replaced every part on my carry gun at this point,
Speaker 2: right like over time, and it's like given me a
Speaker 2: much deeper level of understanding of just like mechanically how
Speaker 2: these things function. You know, building an AR fifteen was
Speaker 2: the same process, and I'm really I do find that valuable.
Speaker 2: Obviously it's throwing more money at the problem too, totally.
Speaker 3: So the other advantage of nine milimeter, which is reasonably
Speaker 3: cheap defeat and shoot, he reasonably cheap to practice with.
Speaker 3: For those of you that don't know anything about guns,
Speaker 3: you will typically practice with what's called FMJ bulkpack ammunition. Yeah,
Speaker 3: nine milimeters one hundred and fifteen grain. It's just a
Speaker 3: bullet that's got a copper jacket on it and that's
Speaker 3: your practice AMMO, and then for Carrie, should you be
Speaker 3: carrying it, you'll probably want to carry something that's specifically
Speaker 3: designed to be defensive ammunition. They'll be far more expensive
Speaker 3: per box. But once you get to the point of yes,
Speaker 3: I am ready safe and capable to carry this, you're
Speaker 3: going to want to pick something gold dots spear gold
Speaker 3: dots are a HaLow point. Yeah, designed to specifically be
Speaker 3: for self defense. But make sure the gun you've chosen
Speaker 3: works reliably with that defensive ammo, because even though it
Speaker 3: works one hundred percent with that FMJ, it may not
Speaker 3: work with the defensive ammon. Y'all might have to play
Speaker 3: with a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we should also know when you are buying AMMO
Speaker 2: one line, which is not going to be legal in
Speaker 2: every state, but most people will be able to do this.
Speaker 2: It pays to be careful. There is a lot of
Speaker 2: stuff that is sketchier out there and there can be consequences.
Speaker 2: I have had a firearm. I have had like a
Speaker 2: handgun blow up in my hand as a result of
Speaker 2: getting ammunition that I had not shot before. This was
Speaker 2: in fact Turkish. I think it was because I think
Speaker 2: it was a hot load but it's possible that it
Speaker 2: was the result of a bullet be a squib, and
Speaker 2: that then jammed in the barrel and then another round
Speaker 2: came in after it. I generally have been pretty good
Speaker 2: at checking to make sure there's a hole in the
Speaker 2: paper with each shot, which is something you should be
Speaker 2: making sure of like when you're shooting, because if you
Speaker 2: shoot around that like does not have enough powder behind it, right,
Speaker 2: if you get a bad round, it can jam in
Speaker 2: the barrel, and then the second round can cause the
Speaker 2: barrel to burst. This is also why we always wear
Speaker 2: eye protection. But when looking at AMMO, if you think
Speaker 2: this looks like good AMMO and it's cheap, look online.
Speaker 2: I'd like Reddit to the name. See what other people
Speaker 2: say about it, right, Like, see if you can find
Speaker 2: anything written about that. If other usually other people, if
Speaker 2: it's like a less reliable manufacturer will have said I've
Speaker 2: had a bad experience with this ammunition. Yep, do your
Speaker 2: diligence right the first time you're shooting a new kind
Speaker 2: of cheap target AMMO.
Speaker 3: That that being said, like there's a lot of names
Speaker 3: that almost anyone that's never owned a gun before will recognize,
Speaker 3: names like Remington, right, Winchester. Yes, these are. That's not
Speaker 3: to say that they don't make mistakes too, but like,
Speaker 3: if you're going to go buy a Winchester bulk pack
Speaker 3: of ammunition, you are boning at least what is generally
Speaker 3: considered consumer level reliable AMMO if you're buying it.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Crazy Bob's reloading shack right, that was what because
Speaker 2: it's a lot of the sketchy stuff isn't even a manufacturer.
Speaker 2: It's like AMMO that you may not notice immediately it's like,
Speaker 2: oh wow, this seems really cheap, and then it'll say
Speaker 2: in small letters remanufactured, right, which means somebody has reloaded it.
Speaker 2: Reloaded AMMA. Un Like you know, you can reload AMMO
Speaker 2: and have it be perfectly good ammuen, But do you
Speaker 2: know who reloaded this about? Right?
Speaker 3: I will tell you as a person that shoots a
Speaker 3: lot and has been doing it for decades, I personally,
Speaker 3: even with all that, I will never fire re manufactured ammunition.
Speaker 3: I want to deal with Crazy Bob's weird bad Wenesday.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Crazy Bob's Bad Wednesday.
Speaker 3: It's a great.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, we've addressed a pistol, right, Like I want
Speaker 4: to dress lunguns and then you mentioned a couple of
Speaker 4: things call which you should also a dress, which are
Speaker 4: like accessories. A Rubbert mentioned eye protection.
Speaker 3: So me let me let me add one more piece
Speaker 3: to the pistol and we'll move on the thing now.
Speaker 3: The whizbang thing now is every pistol has a red
Speaker 3: dot site on it. A red dot site is essentially
Speaker 3: an electro optical box that sits on the top of
Speaker 3: the slide and you look through it to aim, and
Speaker 3: it projects a red dot like almost like a laser
Speaker 3: dot if you're not familiar with it to aim with.
Speaker 3: For the most part, I'm not saying you shouldn't have
Speaker 3: one because they're cool, But for the most part, a
Speaker 3: person getting into this specifically for self defense does not
Speaker 3: need one of those. I don't need to spend three
Speaker 3: hundred dollars on a red dot. The iron sights that
Speaker 3: come on any of these guns should be sufficient for
Speaker 3: most purposes, So don't get sockered into I need that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: if that's something you want later, think about it, but
Speaker 3: it's not a requirement.
Speaker 2: Now that said, if a gun has one on it,
Speaker 2: I don't agree with people who say, like you can't
Speaker 2: learn to shoot on a red dot I think that
Speaker 2: that's now you should You will need to look up
Speaker 2: because it may not be sighted, how to site it right,
Speaker 2: because it like red dots are a thing like you
Speaker 2: need to dial them in right, and there is a
Speaker 2: way to do that. Again, you can find guides to
Speaker 2: this online, just like you can find guides like mounting
Speaker 2: a scope on a rifle. These are complex mechanical tasks.
Speaker 2: A red dot less so than a scope. But you
Speaker 2: can't just buy a gun with a red dot on
Speaker 2: it and trust that that red dot points out where
Speaker 2: the bullet's going to go. That's not how they work. Absolutely.
Speaker 3: My point being is if you gave me, you said,
Speaker 3: this person here needs to be able to hit a
Speaker 3: target fifteen yards away, you've got one hour. I would
Speaker 3: not be messing by giving them a red dot. I
Speaker 3: would give them with something with sights and just get
Speaker 3: them through the task.
Speaker 2: If that's where I'm going with that, Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: that's perfectly reasonable. Yeah. I prefer, like now that I
Speaker 2: know what I'm doing, to use my red dots and stuff.
Speaker 2: But I also pretty regularly shoot with iron sights in
Speaker 2: part because I like it, Like it's it's enjoyable mechanically
Speaker 2: and it's kind of how I learned.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, don't get me wrong, it is better.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it also have another level of complexity and
Speaker 5: it's more to go wrong, Like if you're installing that yourself,
Speaker 5: it's annoying and it's easy to mess up and then
Speaker 5: you're upset.
Speaker 3: And yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's move on to long guns. Like one thing
Speaker 4: that we should mention that you might buy an AR,
Speaker 4: specifically an AR actually and find that it comes with
Speaker 4: no sighting systems at all. Yes, and so that's the
Speaker 4: thing to build into your budget. So let's talk about
Speaker 4: like what to get for your budget in the long
Speaker 4: gun category. Calf.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so when we go to long guns, we talk
Speaker 3: about rifles and shotguns. Let's stick with rifles for now,
Speaker 3: I'm assuming so in that regard, this is the thing
Speaker 3: where like actually have a video on my channel about
Speaker 3: the NFA, which is the National Firearms Act, which is
Speaker 3: what regulates a lot of machine guns and stuff. But
Speaker 3: this also occurs across many gun control laws. They're frequently ablest,
Speaker 3: and the things that they put the most rescriptions on
Speaker 3: are the things that are actually most capable, and that
Speaker 3: means that means air fifteens in their general guys with
Speaker 3: a pistol grip and a red dot site which we
Speaker 3: just mentioned for pistols and a thirty round magazine is
Speaker 3: the thing that is going to be the most I
Speaker 3: could get anyone. I tell you, anyone capable of hitting
Speaker 3: at a target at fifty yards within a four hour
Speaker 3: training session with a red dot sideed Air fifteen and
Speaker 3: a good magazine. It's a good ammunition. Air fifteens are
Speaker 3: light low recoil. They're loud because of the five five six,
Speaker 3: but they're light low recoil guns that almost any one
Speaker 3: of most body structure can handle. Now there's exceptions, of course,
Speaker 3: if you have specific physical challenges that's another discussion. But
Speaker 3: if almost anyone tiny to large can handle a basic
Speaker 3: AAR fifteen, and it is the gun that is most
Speaker 3: focused on for gun control, ironically, places like California where
Speaker 3: they take away things that make it more functional, like
Speaker 3: no pistol grip or reduce your magazine capacity because they're
Speaker 3: trying to diminish the functionality of the gun. But the
Speaker 3: reality is the reason they're doing that is because that
Speaker 3: is the gun that is most functional for most people,
Speaker 3: and it is therefore the one that almost anyone can
Speaker 3: handle pretty well with the smallest amount of training.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, And I think there's a good point there
Speaker 2: in if I were coaching someone who is buying an
Speaker 2: AR that has no you know, does not have iron
Speaker 2: sights on it at all, you are it is much
Speaker 2: easier to learn how to site in and use a
Speaker 2: red dot on an AR than learning how to adjust
Speaker 2: the site the iron sights on an AR fifteen, right, Like,
Speaker 2: not that you can't learn that that you should again,
Speaker 2: you have to, you can watch a video on it,
Speaker 2: but it's much more intuitive to set up a red
Speaker 2: dot in that way.
Speaker 3: This is actually where I would flip flop. If you're
Speaker 3: with the pill, don't concern yourself too much of the
Speaker 3: red dot. If you're going with an air fifteen, concern
Speaker 3: yourself with the release. Get a red dot to the opposite. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, unless you were like in the Marines or something
Speaker 2: and you know how to dial in your irons, right,
Speaker 2: and even then you're gonna have a better time with
Speaker 2: a red dot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, totally once and a red dot is very intuitive.
Speaker 3: So one of the things that people are familiar with firearms,
Speaker 3: but when you bring up a long arm, there's multiple
Speaker 3: points of contact to the person shooting the gun. When
Speaker 3: you bring up a pistol, you probably have two hands
Speaker 3: on it and you're pushing your arms out almost like
Speaker 3: you're like making a triangle. When you're using a long
Speaker 3: arm like an air fifteen, there's a butt stock on
Speaker 3: your shoulder, your cheek is on the actual comb, which
Speaker 3: is the base of the stalk. Your other hand, your
Speaker 3: support hand, is holding the gun up on the front
Speaker 3: of it. You have a minimum of three points of
Speaker 3: contact with a red dot. That makes it very stable
Speaker 3: and easy to get reliable hits. And the red dot
Speaker 3: means you can keep both eyes open, don't need to
Speaker 3: worry about the idiosyncrasies of focusing on a front site. Essentially,
Speaker 3: if it's neuro meaning the dot is regulated to where
Speaker 3: the gun hits, and you put the dot on the
Speaker 3: thing and press the trigger without doing something like jerking
Speaker 3: the gun, you'll hit the target. And so that's why
Speaker 3: that matters.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So what sort of budge each people be looking
Speaker 4: at and like, would you be comfortable recommending, like even
Speaker 4: brands that they should look at.
Speaker 3: It all comes down the cost when it comes to
Speaker 3: air fifteen, So you can spend as much money as
Speaker 3: you want the reality is I have a video on
Speaker 3: the channel. Never mind if you like or just like
Speaker 3: the company. They're one of the ones that really push
Speaker 3: the lower cost products out there. PSA it stands for
Speaker 3: Palm Models, pal Metal State Armory. You can go there
Speaker 3: and get your branded Trump lower. But at the same time,
Speaker 3: you can get an AR fifteen for like four hundred bucks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like in the gun space, you're not going
Speaker 2: to find someone to buy who is spotless and selling
Speaker 2: guns in large numbers cheaply.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like that's not so like, So so for foreigner
Speaker 3: bucks are around there. From PSA, you can get a
Speaker 3: traditional what's called an M four. It's essentially a sixteen
Speaker 3: inch car beam. It won't have any sighting system on that,
Speaker 3: so expect to throw another two hundred bucks ish onto
Speaker 3: a reasonable red dot site on that. So for around
Speaker 3: the six hundred dollars range, you're gonna get a gun
Speaker 3: that's going to weigh seven pounds, but it's gonna have
Speaker 3: low recoil and you're gonna have something that's for the
Speaker 3: most part, reasonably reliable. Is it the best of the
Speaker 3: company is the best of the best. No, but it's
Speaker 3: reasonably lightweight. It is well manufactured. I've done videos about
Speaker 3: them on my channel. They've worked just fine. And so
Speaker 3: four or four inner ish for the gun, of the
Speaker 3: two hundred for the sighting system, couple mags. You could
Speaker 3: get out of the door for under seven hundred dollars
Speaker 3: with everything probably under that, maybe under six hundred even
Speaker 3: if you're careful. Oh but let me plug one thing.
Speaker 3: If you've got lots and lots more money, double that
Speaker 3: you get what would Stunter do? Carbon which I designed.
Speaker 3: It'll be half the weight and super reliable from Katie Arms.
Speaker 3: But I doesn't bring any money to me. I'm just saying.
Speaker 3: The point I'm making here is you can get something
Speaker 3: good enough, and if you've got more money, there is
Speaker 3: better out there that are lighter, more reliable guns. But
Speaker 3: you don't need to is my point. I'm not trying
Speaker 3: to sell anything here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they are one of the few manufacturers who offer
Speaker 4: like a California compliance solution at checkout, which is nice
Speaker 4: for California people.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so that can be a really beneficial thing
Speaker 2: to you in terms of you know, not having it
Speaker 2: be something that you're scared about.
Speaker 3: California Compliant will probably need no flash hider, no pistol
Speaker 3: grim and a fixed magazine at least at this point
Speaker 3: in time.
Speaker 4: You can have you can have the removable magazine if
Speaker 4: you don't have the flash heighted pistol grip in the
Speaker 4: collapsing stock.
Speaker 3: So okay, all right, well, if you can buy it
Speaker 3: from them ready to go, there's I know, there's also
Speaker 3: a magazine capacity requirements or in case so maybe you
Speaker 3: have to buy like a couple ten round bags or
Speaker 3: something like that. Yeah, yeah, obviously thirty round bags are
Speaker 3: better than ten round bags, and for mostly if you
Speaker 3: live in a place like California, do not worry too
Speaker 3: much about that. If you get a little proficiency on that,
Speaker 3: a couple ten round bags will do a lot.
Speaker 2: And to be honest, in self defense shootings, the odds
Speaker 2: are load that you will be firing that many rounds
Speaker 2: right now. If you're in a self defense shooting where
Speaker 2: you do need more bullets than that, there's really nothing
Speaker 2: that can replace having those bullets you know, available.
Speaker 4: But yeah, don't get raptraniacs on it, like it's not
Speaker 4: something you can change.
Speaker 2: The fact that you only have a ten round magazine
Speaker 2: does not mean that you can't become proficient.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't want anyone here to think that
Speaker 3: I'm saying you shouldn't you should be able to get
Speaker 3: six ye round magazine. One far as I'm concerned, places
Speaker 3: like California to have these restrictions have them statistically speaking,
Speaker 3: and I don't know if this dat has changed. Most
Speaker 3: self defense shootings happen within three yards, three seconds, three
Speaker 3: shots fired. Yeah, yep, yeah, yep.
Speaker 4: I think it's really good to remember that when you
Speaker 4: are seeing some YouTube thet tell you need to be
Speaker 4: able to have thirty rounds in five five hundred yards.
Speaker 2: I don't go downtown without my backpack and my SBRD
Speaker 2: three hundred black APT with six thirty round magazines accessible.
Speaker 4: I was in conservative man scat of cities.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I carry an RPG and I take the
Speaker 3: little safety camp off because I like to live now.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, dangerous down there. My clothing is made
Speaker 2: out of debt cord. I just wear nothing but debt
Speaker 2: cord wherever I go. We're all going down.
Speaker 4: At least you take some people with you.
Speaker 3: It's all city blocks.
Speaker 4: Then, yeah, self defense Montden.
Speaker 3: But let me say one more thing about long arms.
Speaker 3: Another thing you'll see from people that are new in
Speaker 3: the space, depending on like what they've seen or what
Speaker 3: they've consumed. This is going to get some hate. Don't
Speaker 3: bother with aks, Yeah, just don't. This is the United
Speaker 3: States of America, and this country believes in the air fifteen.
Speaker 3: And what that boiled down to is they're everywhere. They're prolific.
Speaker 3: The parts are here, Yeah, the repairs here, they're well manufactured.
Speaker 3: When you stray from that course to something like an AK,
Speaker 3: you're first of all, you're losing ergonomics. But that's a
Speaker 3: different problem. You're dealing with an unknown quantity of problems.
Speaker 3: You get an Air fifteen. That's what's in this country.
Speaker 3: It's what's prolific. Yeah, if you were in if you
Speaker 3: were in somewhere war torn Africa, get your AK here.
Speaker 2: I'll say this about the war torn AK countries because
Speaker 2: I've been in three contries where the primary arm is
Speaker 2: an AK M right, like a kind of AK right Siri, Ukraine,
Speaker 2: in Iraq. In all three of those countries, every soldier
Speaker 2: who knew their stuff, who was proficient and had the option,
Speaker 2: chosen AR platform if they could. Yeah, one hundred percent
Speaker 2: of the time, they're just better firearms.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's been my experience as well, they look cool,
Speaker 4: but but don't go Yeah, just get a their fore Yeah,
Speaker 4: Like I love my ak's, but they're they're range fun toys,
Speaker 4: right like.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So let's talk.
Speaker 4: About accessorizing, which again is much easier with ais and aks. Like,
Speaker 4: what other stuff do you need to build into your budget?
Speaker 4: If you've not shot before, you might not know that
Speaker 4: you need a pro ipro sling, maybe haulster.
Speaker 3: Well, we'll start with the firearms accessories, right, So with
Speaker 3: the pithtol. First of all, we talked about safe storage.
Speaker 3: That's already off the table with the pistol. If you
Speaker 3: plan to carry it, you need a good reliable holster
Speaker 3: and a good reliable gun belt.
Speaker 2: Good lord, Yes.
Speaker 3: Depending on how you want to carry it, that'll determine
Speaker 3: the kind of holster. If you want an outside the waistband,
Speaker 3: which means it sits outside your belt, that's one thing.
Speaker 3: If you're carrying it concealed, you're probably gonna want an
Speaker 3: inside the waistband, which goes between your belt and your body.
Speaker 3: Again under the level of training there, because when you're
Speaker 3: drawing from that, things can go wrong, sure, and that's
Speaker 3: where people tend to shoot themselves. So that's what you
Speaker 3: needed to be very cautious of. But with a pithtol
Speaker 3: typically you're going to want probably an extra magazine or two.
Speaker 3: It may come with one, depending on what you bought,
Speaker 3: a quality gun belt and a quality holster.
Speaker 2: Now what about what about a forty four derringer and
Speaker 2: an ankle holster on each angle, right like that seems
Speaker 2: like the ideal solution. Anytime you're in danger. You just
Speaker 2: got a squat right down there, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: get real low.
Speaker 3: Yeah, especially when you've been pushed pushed onto your back
Speaker 3: by the mob and you're there on that scene and
Speaker 3: you're pulling it out of your ankle holster.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, no, no, no, just just get a wire around
Speaker 2: the trigger and attach it to your toes.
Speaker 3: So that you can squeeze your toes and fire the detention.
Speaker 3: What you need is the belt buckle revolver from North
Speaker 3: American US. Yeah, that is great. Yeah, no, from that
Speaker 3: freaking movie, the lampire movie Quinn Tarantino.
Speaker 2: Oh geez, sons, that's still done.
Speaker 3: God yeah, no, before the pip belt, a magazine or
Speaker 3: two extra it might come with them, and a quality holster. Now,
Speaker 3: the obvious puctioning is what's a quality holster, And the
Speaker 3: obvious answer is there's too many out there to be
Speaker 3: able to offer you that answer right now. Probably something
Speaker 3: polymer if it's going to be outside the waistband, and
Speaker 3: this will be another one that'll get people fired up. Generally,
Speaker 3: avoid the Surpa holsters unless you really want to have
Speaker 3: a lot of training. Surpa holsters are one that have
Speaker 3: a little button on the side that allows the gun
Speaker 3: to come out if you're not trained well or have
Speaker 3: the wrong gun in it. It also allows you to
Speaker 3: accidentally shoot yourself quite easily as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, best avoided. That's a very good point. And also
Speaker 2: one thing I will note is there's a danger that
Speaker 2: a lot of people aren't aware of with leather, which
Speaker 2: is that leather holsters. Now, there are some leather holsters
Speaker 2: that have like a trigger area reinforced with kax, which is,
Speaker 2: you know, a rigid, class sticky substance. But if it's
Speaker 2: not in time, those can start to like get weaker
Speaker 2: and warn in such a way that it can also
Speaker 2: cause it to press the trigger when you holster it.
Speaker 2: Like that's a thing that has happened to people. So
Speaker 2: I generally think you want whatever. You want the trigger
Speaker 2: guard to be rigid and not something that's going to
Speaker 2: like warp and be malleable around the trigger, right, Like
Speaker 2: the whole point is that it stops the trigger from fire.
Speaker 4: Yes, this you want to avoid that. How about with
Speaker 4: the with the longens, like what are you going to
Speaker 4: need to budget for those? And then other things like
Speaker 4: for shooting Germany that you'll need if you don't already
Speaker 4: have then, So.
Speaker 3: When it comes to the long arm, we already said
Speaker 3: if you're going to get an air fifteen, you're going
Speaker 3: to want to stick some sort of red odside on it.
Speaker 3: The lowest cost ones that are the unbelievably bomb proof
Speaker 3: are a Chinese company called hollow Song. Hell yeah, I
Speaker 3: have a hollow Sun from twenty seventeen that is still
Speaker 3: works just fine.
Speaker 2: I love my hollow suns.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my hollow Sun's been bounced down an asshall road
Speaker 3: and it still works fine.
Speaker 2: So it's the opposite of a fail sun, a hollow sun.
Speaker 3: So you can pick up a red dot hollow soun.
Speaker 3: Those can go. You can get those sometimes sometimes that
Speaker 3: low is like one hundred and fifty bucks. Yeah, so
Speaker 3: you'll need a red dot site a sling is nice,
Speaker 3: not required, especially if you're going to be using within
Speaker 3: the premises of your property, you probably don't need to
Speaker 3: worry about that. It Also, slings can cause issues like
Speaker 3: get caught on things or on things in your house,
Speaker 3: or even tangle you up. So that's this training issue.
Speaker 3: So sling is iffy, an extra magazine or two. And
Speaker 3: if you're planning on needing to use this for a
Speaker 3: defensive purpose inside of your home or structure or at night,
Speaker 3: it's not the worst thing in the world to throw
Speaker 3: on a flashlight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, especially if it's like a defensive firearm like
Speaker 2: it's your home defense gun, or a carry gun like
Speaker 2: a flashlight. And also if you're I think it's generally
Speaker 2: a good idea if you're going to carry a carry
Speaker 2: firearm with a flashlight, their flashlight that's not on a gun,
Speaker 2: because one thing you should never do is use your
Speaker 2: gun flashlight to look at.
Speaker 3: Just random shit that you need a flash light, bark,
Speaker 3: you come home at night in the dark, you forgot,
Speaker 3: you forgot, you can't find which key is the right thing.
Speaker 3: Don't do that, don't do that, don't do that.
Speaker 4: It's a pretty good list of accessories set make sure
Speaker 4: you have a lad air and eye protection as well.
Speaker 3: So we're gonna go on the safety side of things.
Speaker 3: You need proper shooting glasses. That means not the glasses
Speaker 3: that you picked up for readers at Walgreen. If they're
Speaker 3: shooting glasses can be as cheap as nine bucks all
Speaker 3: the way up to hundreds of bucks. You can get
Speaker 3: them at the sporting good store. But they're designed with
Speaker 3: the kind of plastic to be able to take shrapnel
Speaker 3: or hits from pieces of fragments that are high velocity.
Speaker 3: They're meant for that. So ten dollars shooting glasses, Yes,
Speaker 3: you need. Yes, hearing protection. Those can be squishy earplugs
Speaker 3: you put in your ear or they can be over
Speaker 3: the head mouths. Do not ever shoot guns except in
Speaker 3: the most critical conditions or situation. Yeah, without eye protection
Speaker 3: and hearing protection. Yes, that's the kind of stuff where
Speaker 3: you lose an eye and every time you fire that gun,
Speaker 3: you're losing hearing every time.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and like for the really because obviously most
Speaker 2: like it hurts to shoot a firearm without hearing protection.
Speaker 2: Like you can get away with shooting a gun without
Speaker 2: EyePro every time, but the one time right, which is
Speaker 2: why I really emphasize eye protection. It's easy to convince
Speaker 2: yourself I don't need to have it on right now,
Speaker 2: you do, yeah.
Speaker 3: Like, because that's the day that it does the thing.
Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, guns do fuck up, for lack of a
Speaker 2: better term, and you really don't want your eye unprotected
Speaker 2: if they do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's a bad day.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and so. But you on the safety side of
Speaker 3: eye protection and hearing protection, it can be as cheap
Speaker 3: as ten dollars shooting glasses and a bottle of squishy earplugs.
Speaker 3: You're gonna be in there for twenty bucks. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it doesn't have to be expensive. Make sure you
Speaker 4: have it and make sure you see it.
Speaker 3: But you know what, before you do any of this,
Speaker 3: you know what's a smart thing to do. Go take
Speaker 3: a class from Stop the Bleed and learn how to
Speaker 3: use tourniquets in medical gear. Yah, and have that around
Speaker 3: anyway before you ever buy a gun. Go do that. Yes,
Speaker 3: a mess, that's the most important thing you could do
Speaker 3: for anyone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, and that, as you said, should be a
Speaker 2: priority before getting the firearm. And if you have the
Speaker 2: money to get and train a gun, you have no
Speaker 2: excuse for not having an individual first aid kit, an
Speaker 2: I fact and the knowledge of how to use it right,
Speaker 2: and I.
Speaker 3: Think Stop the Bleed classes are usually free. You can
Speaker 3: look it up and stop the Bleed dot com or
Speaker 3: dot org, google it, take a class. It's easy. How
Speaker 3: to use a tourniquet, use how to use a bandage.
Speaker 3: Have an IPAC as was just mentioned, which can be
Speaker 3: a pretty simple kit.
Speaker 4: Ye.
Speaker 3: And as you said, Robert, if you can afford a gun,
Speaker 3: you can afford that and have that with you on
Speaker 3: the range anytime you're shooting, because as you said, guns
Speaker 3: can fuck up. They usually don't, but if they do,
Speaker 3: you're gonna want that I fact and that I fact
Speaker 3: and that training might just help your neighbor one day
Speaker 3: when they get in a car accident or whatever.
Speaker 2: I regularly make the decision not to carry my gun
Speaker 2: with me places.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm going to go out and get drunk tonight.
Speaker 2: I don't need if I have a fire.
Speaker 3: Alarm on me when I'm drunk.
Speaker 2: But you know what I always have is the ifact
Speaker 2: right every single time, you know, because number one drunk
Speaker 2: with an IFAC, I'm no I might I'm probably less effective,
Speaker 2: but I'm not going to endanger anyone. You're just like, hey, buddy,
Speaker 2: I think you need a partner kit. He's like, no,
Speaker 2: give me here. Google said, this goes around the neck.
Speaker 3: But once again, a sotoppable class on an IPAC is
Speaker 3: more likely to serve you or your community more than
Speaker 3: any gun ever will. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's a great place. I would say that.
Speaker 4: If you are going down this pathway and you're looking
Speaker 4: to join openly leftist gun organizations, there are several, right,
Speaker 4: John Brown Gun Club, Socialist Rifle Association, We've had those
Speaker 4: people on our show before. Be cautious when you're doing
Speaker 4: that and keep an eye on things, because that could
Speaker 4: be something that might get you into into trouble in
Speaker 4: the long run. So it's something to be aware of.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it might be good to just put a holder
Speaker 2: on joining a new organization until we're a few months
Speaker 2: into this.
Speaker 3: Thing coming up next year.
Speaker 2: Maybe have an idea about what kind of things might
Speaker 2: be safe and what kind of things might be less safe.
Speaker 3: Definitely, no, but none of that stops you from using signal,
Speaker 3: building community and learning how to use a firearm properly.
Speaker 2: Right at meeting people, yes, and like training with them,
Speaker 2: you know, or and taking getting training, getting building proficiency. Absolutely,
Speaker 2: all of that is legal and will remain legal. Just
Speaker 2: don't start if anyone ever talks to you about let's
Speaker 2: make a militia, do that. It's time to leave that conversation,
Speaker 2: right because, among other things, at this point, there's a
Speaker 2: good chance they're the FBI.
Speaker 3: If you live in Michigan, do not. Yeah yeah, this
Speaker 3: podcast brought to you by co Intel Pro.
Speaker 1: Do you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, that's great, But.
Speaker 3: I mean it's a tough challenge. So the other thing
Speaker 3: you can do is also, once you've got your basic
Speaker 3: proficiency up and you know that you are safe in
Speaker 3: terms of hand handling things, let me throw this out
Speaker 3: there too. It doesn't have to be any specific one.
Speaker 3: Although remember you're going into a space that may not
Speaker 3: be politically your comfortable place. A good place to build
Speaker 3: up skill is to go shoot matches competitions. Yeah, for
Speaker 3: the most part, it's business oriented. You'll see you'll hear
Speaker 3: some stupid comments here or there, depending on what match
Speaker 3: you're at, but the reality is you're not there for that.
Speaker 3: You're there to get better with your gun on a
Speaker 3: course of fire that they put up for you. Pay
Speaker 3: your ten bucks or twenty bucks learn how to shoot
Speaker 3: better in those conditions, and that's another space to once
Speaker 3: the basic trainings out of the way, don't go to
Speaker 3: a match the b training. Use the match to help
Speaker 3: increase your skill after you've gotten training. But those matches
Speaker 3: can be a place to really help you out a lot.
Speaker 3: And there's a lot of them around and those are
Speaker 3: easier to find than almost anything.
Speaker 4: Yep, practice scores where you can lick them up if
Speaker 4: you're into that kind of thing. Excellent, Thanks very much
Speaker 4: for joining us, Kyle. Do you want to very briefly
Speaker 4: plug your YouTube channel? Where can people find you?
Speaker 3: Well? Sure, and thank you for having me on the show.
Speaker 3: It's always a treat. I really appreciate it. It's always
Speaker 3: great to be able just to hang out with you both.
Speaker 3: Shuld do it more often. You can find my work
Speaker 3: it's in Range TV. You can find my website at
Speaker 3: inrange dot tv. I'm distributed decentralized across multiple platforms, a
Speaker 3: predominant one being YouTube. Cover everything from civil rights history,
Speaker 3: human rights to firearms to from old West flintlocks up
Speaker 3: to the most modern machine guns across the channel. Some
Speaker 3: of it is instructional, some of its history and I've
Speaker 3: got a cool video dropping tomorrow, in fact well tomorrow
Speaker 3: based on when we're recording this on the Opium Wars
Speaker 3: and how Britain and China's firearms technology discrepancy caused Hong
Speaker 3: Kong to be owned by Britain. That's the kind of
Speaker 3: stuff I do on my channel. So check that out.
Speaker 3: And if you want to find matches that are going
Speaker 3: to be a place that is truly an inclusive space,
Speaker 3: we do run matches called Brutality Matches. You can find
Speaker 3: them at Brutalitymatches dot org. They're not monthly, we have
Speaker 3: run a couple of them across the country, but I
Speaker 3: can guarantee you that's the space you will feel comfortable
Speaker 3: because we make it that way.
Speaker 2: It's awesome.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks col.
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