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Speaker 2: What's pew in my hewes? This is Robert Evans and

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Speaker 2: it could happen here? A podcast about it happening here,

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Speaker 2: as it seems to be more every week and when

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Speaker 2: things get worse, one thing that a lot of folks

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Speaker 2: start talking about is should I buy a gun? And

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Speaker 2: obviously this is a fraught question and the only responsible

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Speaker 2: answers to it are very complicated. And so to talk

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Speaker 2: over some very complicated answers, we've got James Stout and

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Speaker 2: we have in the audience with us the great Carl Casarta,

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Speaker 2: Carl of en Range TV. Thank you for coming on

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Speaker 2: to be our resident firearms expert in this podcast where

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Speaker 2: we try not to be deeply irresponsible.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you for having me on. It's always a

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Speaker 3: pleasure to come back to the show and people always

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Speaker 3: ask for more collabs, and here we are, but on

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Speaker 3: a very important topic. And yes, Billy, question I have

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Speaker 3: is now is when do you change the name of

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Speaker 3: the podcast too?

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Speaker 2: Oh no, it's happening here. We're talking with the marketing people.

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Speaker 2: It done happened here. Oh shit, it's happening again.

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Speaker 3: It's been happening here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, here it is here now right in this moment.

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Speaker 3: Be here now it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we got to work out which one seo's best.

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Speaker 3: But we're on it.

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Speaker 4: Carl, don't worry. We're working on it so as I

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Speaker 4: think both of you know, but maybe listeners don't. Gun

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Speaker 4: sales typically saw before elections as to ammunition purchases. People

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Speaker 4: are afraid of gun bans has been traditionally one reason why,

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Speaker 4: and the firearms industry is not afraid of hyping those

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Speaker 4: up to increase sales in election years. Normally, prices increase

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Speaker 4: in line with demand. Like if you go back to

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Speaker 4: high they were. That was for a number of reasons.

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Speaker 4: But considering inflation, gun prices are pretty low right now.

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Speaker 2: You know that is kind of a recurrent thing. For

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Speaker 3: Yeah, gun gone to the point where they are more

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Speaker 3: affordable than they've ever been. Uh huh. Yeah, they really are.

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Speaker 3: Air fifteens, or I used to talk about this on air.

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Speaker 3: Fifteens are essentially cord wood and you can get a

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Speaker 3: four to five hundred bucks. Yeah, the epistols for two

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Speaker 3: The prices on guns are like through the floor. And yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's interesting to note that, Like, if you are a

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Speaker 3: hype elections, it would be unintelligent of you to not

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Speaker 3: prep for elections because they're so consistently, Yeah, the Christmas

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Speaker 3: we didn't see that. It's it's kind of interesting.

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Speaker 2: I think there's an element because obviously when we talk

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Speaker 2: an upside of that is it does kind of suggest

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Speaker 2: when gun prices were not as as cratered and am

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Speaker 3: Yeah, or the dark side of that is the traditional

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Speaker 3: prepper air, quote, is so saturated in guns and ammunition, right,

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Speaker 2: Well, that's I think that is where a lot of

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Also, like capacity really increased in twenty twenty, and

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Speaker 4: I think they've been pumping out like it's interesting to

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Speaker 3: The funny thing that, yeah, five five six and nine millimeters,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't find you can't see it. I have

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Speaker 2: And this is going to be a problem because if

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Speaker 2: Ford going to use to save us? Anyway? Nobody saw

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Speaker 2: that movie? Why am I making that joke?

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Speaker 3: Let me know, I've got a good stashion.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're all going to be leaning heavily on carl

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Speaker 2: if you're somebody who deals with suicidal ideation, if you

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Speaker 2: I assure you they will be available in the future.

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Speaker 3: No, you know, it mights be of a line from

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Speaker 3: the movie We Were Soldiers, which is actually a pretty

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Speaker 3: don't worry, There'll be plenty of those laying around if

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Speaker 2: If you are dealing with suicidal ideation, having a gun

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Speaker 3: Yeah. No, absolutely, I think that not to make to

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I mean maybe we should address like a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that that might be a good place

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Speaker 3: You know, handguns are the most difficult thing to use

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they're a shocking number of people are shot

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Speaker 4: You've mentioned that you think a shotgun sometimes can be

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Speaker 3: Right. This is an instance in which the good old

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Speaker 2: The other thing about it is that like it loads

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Speaker 2: very differently. You know, a shotgun is a completely different

438
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Speaker 2: kind of ammunition than an AR has, which all goes

439
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Speaker 2: back to the whole like you have to be willing

440
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Speaker 2: to train with whatever it is are going to use,

441
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Speaker 2: fair enough.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So ideally, like if you're in this position of thinking,

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Speaker 4: if you can find a friend or failing that, arrange

444
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Speaker 4: that will allow you to try different guns. I think

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Speaker 4: as a novice, you're going to pick up if you've

446
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Speaker 4: never shot a gun before, I probably wouldn't pick up

447
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Speaker 4: a twelve gage shotgun and start pewing away because the

448
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Speaker 4: recoil will be quite profound and notable to you. So

449
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Speaker 4: don't start there. Start with something else.

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Speaker 2: There's smaller shotguns at twenty gauge.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and those are fine expected if you're a smaller

452
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Speaker 4: statute person. Even a twenty eight or sixteens are hard

453
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Speaker 4: to probably buy a defensive ammunition for. But I think

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Speaker 4: if you can when you begin that journey after the

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Speaker 4: TV Blell say, with hangguns, find one that fits your hand.

456
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Speaker 4: You probably have no idea what fits you and feels

457
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Speaker 4: good if you're just starting out. Yeah, finding someone who

458
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Speaker 4: is local to you, ideally who has some experience who

459
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Speaker 4: can help you along that process, I think, and someone

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Speaker 4: who you trust, right Like I've been like I have

461
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Speaker 4: to train. I have a concealer carry weapons permit in California.

462
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Speaker 4: The last time I went to take a course like

463
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Speaker 4: from the outset, I got like xenophobia, homophobia, like jokes

464
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Speaker 4: that I guess the guy who was instructing the course

465
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Speaker 4: thought that everyone was in on, just like they made

466
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Speaker 4: me feel unwelcome and I'm as sis het white guy. Yeah,

467
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Speaker 4: but I think maybe we should address that, Like, if

468
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Speaker 4: you're thinking getting started, what kind of instruction should you

469
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Speaker 4: look for, where should you look for it? And like

470
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Speaker 4: what would you recommend maybe other sources to Kyle, Like

471
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Speaker 4: your YouTube channel has been a great resource for me.

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Speaker 3: This is this is where we're in the firearms it's

473
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Speaker 3: owning a thing doesn't make a community. So there's always

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Speaker 3: a phrase the gun community. It's not a thing owning.

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Speaker 3: Owning a thing doesn't make a community. A community is

476
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Speaker 3: a group of people that bond together over a mutual

477
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Speaker 3: beliefs and hopefully care for one another. So there's no

478
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Speaker 3: firearms community. But that's the broad scope of people that

479
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Speaker 3: have been interested in the topic for the longest doration

480
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Speaker 3: of time. Has been mostly succeeded to a group that

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Speaker 3: we would not find ourselves aligned with or comfortable with

482
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Speaker 3: being around. And so this is where the community building

483
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Speaker 3: thing is real because the more we build communities, and

484
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Speaker 3: we're behind in this regards in terms to alternative voices

485
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Speaker 3: in the firearm space, but the more we build that

486
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Speaker 3: community not only online but amongst one another, the more

487
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Speaker 3: we're going to have safer, better spaces for us to

488
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Speaker 3: work together to learn how to use these things safely

489
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Speaker 3: and efficiently. And that is a challenge. If you walk

490
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Speaker 3: in sight unseen to a place that is probably foreign

491
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Speaker 3: to you in firearms land, sadly, at this time point

492
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Speaker 3: in time, is a pretty good chance it's not going

493
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Speaker 3: to be something you're gonna be comfortable with, quite honestly,

494
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Speaker 3: just like you mentioned James, like, it's going to be

495
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Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. There's probably gonna be Trump stuff

496
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Speaker 3: on the wall, there's probably going you're probably gonna hear

497
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Speaker 3: some jokes that are just jokes, but you know they're

498
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Speaker 3: really not Ye. That's the kind of space that that's

499
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Speaker 3: filled with. And so when people come and say, well

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Speaker 3: who can I go to to get this training with,

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Speaker 3: I'm like, that's challenging. There's some options online, there's like

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Speaker 3: Operation Blazing Sword, There's there's there's the Liberal Gun Club

503
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Speaker 3: has some training options as well. But what's better is

504
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Speaker 3: finding people interconnecting with people of like mind around you

505
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Speaker 3: if you can, and working together and then actually building

506
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Speaker 3: a real community that isn't a gun community. And that's

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Speaker 3: what we're going to find solace and the ability to

508
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Speaker 3: get better with this stuff. Together not a great exactly

509
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Speaker 3: a strong answer, but if the truth, but if you're

510
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Speaker 3: going in, if you're going in just unhindered, you're going

511
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Speaker 3: to expect it to be a place that you're probably

512
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Speaker 3: not going to be happy with.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that's a really good point. I'd

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Speaker 2: like you can we talk a little bit more about

516
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Speaker 2: training options, like not just because you mentioned Operation Blazing Sword,

517
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Speaker 2: I'd like to hear a little more about them, but

518
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Speaker 2: also where people could go for like reading and videos

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Speaker 2: in order to kind of find more information on how

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Speaker 2: to develop proficiency.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So okay, So YouTube university doesn't teach you how

522
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Speaker 3: to actually like effectively hit targets with something that stuff

523
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Speaker 3: like that you can you can't. There's no way to

524
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Speaker 3: learn that besides doing it. But in terms of general

525
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Speaker 3: firearms unders learning some of the history, learning about how

526
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Speaker 3: guns work, there are some YouTube resources out there. Tactical

527
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Speaker 3: girlfriend you already mentioned, has four years of a legacy

528
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Speaker 3: of content on her site that a lot of it

529
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Speaker 3: is focused on beginner style content. In fact, she just

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Speaker 3: posted a playlist. She has kind of stopped making videos

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Speaker 3: in general, she mentioned that a while back, but she

532
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Speaker 3: still has her content online and she posted a playlist

533
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Speaker 3: recently of all of her how to get going videos

534
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Speaker 3: one oh one stuff, and that would kind of be

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Speaker 3: where I'd start with. Yes, absolutely, my channel in range

536
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Speaker 3: TV has some of that. I tend to focus a

537
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Speaker 3: little bit on the more esoteric and like next level things,

538
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Speaker 3: but that's not to say it's not there as well.

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Speaker 3: So I'm not trying to sell promote, but I would

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Speaker 3: actually say her playlist is going to be better than

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Speaker 3: some of my own, although we have stuff like that

542
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Speaker 3: on range TV as well. If you want to open

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Speaker 3: up that dark boy called Reddit, the Liberal Gun Club

544
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Speaker 3: has resources on it. If you go there, they have

545
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Speaker 3: a list of people and local resources. You can also

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Speaker 3: google the Liberal Gun Club. I'm not even trying to

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Speaker 3: say anyone do that is necessarily identifying as a liberal,

548
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Speaker 3: but they are. They have gathered lists of statewide resources

549
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Speaker 3: as many as they can that are providing training in

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Speaker 3: regional places. That would be a good place to start.

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Speaker 3: Operation Blating Sword is a subset of that Blake I'll

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Speaker 3: I can I pronounce them not named Blake has been

553
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Speaker 3: on my channel and you'll find him there in the

554
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Speaker 3: Liberal Gun Club listing. When I think of that, I

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Speaker 3: would say, go to YouTube. Hit up Tactical Girlfriend, go

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Speaker 3: to in Rey's TV if you want to see maybe

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Speaker 3: not one on one but next level stuff, but a

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Speaker 3: friendly space to you. And then check out the Liberal

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Speaker 3: Gun Club best I can say, because they do have

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Speaker 3: a list of resources that they're gathering across the country.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think one thing that Tactical Girlfriend talks

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Speaker 2: about that is acause because you're right, and I think

563
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Speaker 2: this is an important point that like, you have to

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Speaker 2: spend time shooting, and you know that costs money in

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Speaker 2: order to get better, But there is one thing that

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Speaker 2: you can do that does not cost ongoing money to

567
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Speaker 2: get better with a handgun. If you're again looking to

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Speaker 2: carry a gun, which is dry fire training, right, which

569
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Speaker 2: is a very useful process of building proficiency. You can

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Speaker 2: do it. I mean you could do it every day

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Speaker 2: if you want. It will help. It does not replace

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Speaker 2: needing to go shoot right, But you can find guides.

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Speaker 2: Tactical Girlfriend talks about it a lot, but you can

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Speaker 2: find other guides online and that is a way that

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Speaker 2: you can kind of stretch your AMMO budget and gain

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Speaker 2: additional proficiency.

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Speaker 3: There are even products designed specifically for that. One of

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Speaker 3: them popule Mind, and there are others like mantis X,

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Speaker 3: and you make sure your gun is safely unloaded and

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Speaker 3: your proficient with that part of it. You've put these

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Speaker 3: devices in and you can actually fire. A dry fire

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Speaker 3: is firing with no ammunition in the gun. Click at

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Speaker 3: a target on the wall, and it'll teach you things

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Speaker 3: about like did you pull to the right, did you

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Speaker 3: push to the yes, did you dip the gun? And

586
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Speaker 3: those are very good products that you can use once

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Speaker 3: you buy them. Gets more money, but you could train

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Speaker 3: proficiently in a safe place without firing live ammunition and

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Speaker 3: improve your skills quite a bit. That's good. Point yep.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say another organization I would plug is

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Speaker 4: armed Equality, especially if like LGBTQIA people a friend of mine,

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Speaker 4: very nice people. As we should go back then to that,

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Speaker 4: like Roberts mentioned dry firing, we've mentioned.

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Speaker 2: Well first I think we need to go to ads, Jess.

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Speaker 4: You're right, Robert, we should go back to Chumba casino.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so dry fire at the wall and think of

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Speaker 2: trump a casino or just.

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Speaker 3: Download an upgrade from neural link that you got from Melong.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, that's right. Our primary sponsors a brain ship.

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Speaker 4: All right, we're back. So we've had discussion about training,

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Speaker 4: safe storage, and a little bit about like what to

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Speaker 4: look at firearms wise, But I want to go back

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Speaker 4: to that third one because you are marketed at so

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Speaker 4: heavily when you're trying to buy a firearm, right and

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Speaker 4: the likelihood of you getting misinformation. Right, we all know

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Speaker 4: smaller statute people who have been given yeah as snubnose

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Speaker 4: thirty eight a gun that's entirely inappropriate for them. Cow

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Speaker 4: what like if you could maybe go through like each

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Speaker 4: major category, right, if we do hanggun, shotgun, semi automatic rifle,

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Speaker 4: maybe one that is compatible with AR band states, and

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Speaker 4: one that's you know, yeah, you're in real America.

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Speaker 2: There are some options like the ares SCR that are

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Speaker 2: basically AR fifteen's that are a lot easier to keep

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Speaker 2: in compliance in a state like California, but they are

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Speaker 2: also more than twice as expensive as like a budget

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Speaker 2: AR fifteen, right, Like, which is not to say it's

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Speaker 2: impossible to have a budget AR fifteen that is in

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Speaker 2: comp lot in compliance with California law. It's just I

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Speaker 2: am not going to take on the responsibility of telling.

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Speaker 3: You how to do that.

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Speaker 2: Legally because when I lived in California, I was only

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Speaker 2: about eighty percent sure that I was in compliance with

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Speaker 2: the law.

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Speaker 4: If you're in California, my advice would be to go

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Speaker 4: to a shop and buy the gun complete. Yes, don't

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Speaker 4: piece it together off the internet.

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Speaker 2: That's good at good advice.

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Speaker 3: Oh well, if you're a new gun on or don't

629
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Speaker 3: pet anything together because the knowledge to make something reliable

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Speaker 3: that you've put together from bits and pieces is not

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Speaker 3: a good idea. You want something that's got to I

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Speaker 3: mean literally, you want something from a quote unquote reputable

633
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Speaker 3: manufacturer but has a warranty. Like, let's just be that,

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Speaker 3: don't even start with trying to put something together. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: so let's just go ahead and start with pistol. So

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Speaker 3: the challenge there is like, of course, it would be

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Speaker 3: very nice to be able to buy like four of them,

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Speaker 3: because you can train with the twenty two and practice

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Speaker 3: with this. But let's go with the constraint that we

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Speaker 3: had earlier. Of this thousand dollars and you're going to

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Speaker 3: buy a pistol and with it you plan to train,

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Speaker 3: get better, be proficient, but also maybe have to use

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Speaker 3: it for self defense. You really want to stick with

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Speaker 3: a nine millimeter. I mean there are smaller guns like

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Speaker 3: three eighties and such like that, but we're getting into

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Speaker 3: specialist guns. Yeah. What is what I'm going to say

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Speaker 3: here across the board? When I recommend something, it's going

648
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Speaker 3: to be the opposite of specialist. It's going to be

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Speaker 3: the most bland, boring possible thing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And when it comes to that, and I know that

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Speaker 3: everyone like, but it's a it's a nine millimeter probably

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00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 3: a glock. Yep. The glock nineteen is a relatively reasonably

654
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 3: sized gun. The seventeen is a little bigger the nineteens.

655
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 3: In this no middle ground. It is carriable. It's small

656
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 3: enough to be concealed should you have the right to

657
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 3: do so. But it's big enough to be viable for

658
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 3: being reasonably accurate with with not extensive amounts of training,

659
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 3: but enough training to get good. Yeah. And it's a

660
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 3: bunch around the nine millimeters magazine that just playing works Yep, Yeah, yep.

661
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 4: If you're on a tight digit, I will say that

662
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 4: cops are always you can find trade in police clocks

663
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 4: pretty cheap, cops don't shoot very much. You can sometimes

664
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 4: get some pretty good deals on those.

665
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 3: Yep. That's it. I'm revealing a little bit of future

666
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 3: history of what's going on in range. We're doing a

667
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 3: video in a couple of weeks. There is a strange

668
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 3: trade imbalance between us and never mind the politics, Yep,

669
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 3: Turkey and they are making some really high end, well

670
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 3: made gun. There is a glock clone from Turkey that

671
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 3: I can't vouch for yet. But this is the kind

672
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 3: of where we're at in the gun space. This thing

673
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 3: is interchangeable with all glock parts and the guns like

674
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty bucks.

675
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 4: Oh well you can't.

676
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:57,959
Speaker 3: We don't know. Yeah, I'm not saying go buy that,

677
00:30:58,080 --> 00:30:59,719
Speaker 3: but I'm saying we're going to do a review of it.

678
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 3: The point is there are glock and blocklike things that

679
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 3: can get the price down.

680
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, And so you're looking at you know, if

681
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,479
Speaker 2: you get a budget ar for five hundred bucks, you know,

682
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 2: a budget not a nine millimeter handgun. Because even if

683
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 2: with not counting that one, there are other budget options

684
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 2: that are in the three hundred ish dollar range. You

685
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 2: just have to look around a bit. And I should

686
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 2: also note buying used with a firearm is not like

687
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 2: buying used with electronics. If a gun is well maintained,

688
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 2: it will outlast you. Yeah right, there are some parts

689
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 2: that will need replacing from time to time. Right, Your

690
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 2: springs and stuff are going to age faster than other things.

691
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 2: And like barrels, you can shoot out, but it takes

692
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 2: quite a bit of shooting to shoot a barrel, you know, smooth, right,

693
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 2: So it's never a bad to consider, like finding, like

694
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 2: you said, like a police trade in or something like that,

695
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 2: like that could be a great way to save money.

696
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 3: Absolutely, So when it comes with a pistol, we're talking

697
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 3: about buying just one pretty much boil it down to

698
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 3: a nine millimeter yep. That is probably a polymer frame gun,

699
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 3: not some big heavy steel thing. A glock is is

700
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 3: like the de facto. But there are others. I mean,

701
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 3: there's there's hks, there's rugers. Yeah, I like SIGs, but

702
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 3: they're pricier. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. The thing about glock is

703
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 3: block's been around forever. It's the standard, finding, accessorizing, buying

704
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 3: magazines or even getting repairs done to a block is

705
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 3: ubiquitous across the country. If you get a glock, you'll

706
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 3: be able to deal with it, fix it, do whatever

707
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 3: you want to it. Straight up.

708
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 2: And what has helped me a lot in general, is

709
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 2: you know, I have my carry gun, I have my

710
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 2: home defense firearm, and then I have I have bought

711
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 2: built a couple of firearms from the ground up, and

712
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 2: I would certainly, as you said, I would never have

713
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 2: started there. But because I had the extra money doing

714
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 2: that means that has given me so much deeper of

715
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 2: an understanding of what goes wrong when things do go

716
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,239
Speaker 2: wrong with a gun and how to fix it. Like

717
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 2: I've replaced every part on my carry gun at this point,

718
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 2: right like over time, and it's like given me a

719
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 2: much deeper level of understanding of just like mechanically how

720
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 2: these things function. You know, building an AR fifteen was

721
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 2: the same process, and I'm really I do find that valuable.

722
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 2: Obviously it's throwing more money at the problem too, totally.

723
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 3: So the other advantage of nine milimeter, which is reasonably

724
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 3: cheap defeat and shoot, he reasonably cheap to practice with.

725
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,479
Speaker 3: For those of you that don't know anything about guns,

726
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 3: you will typically practice with what's called FMJ bulkpack ammunition. Yeah,

727
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 3: nine milimeters one hundred and fifteen grain. It's just a

728
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 3: bullet that's got a copper jacket on it and that's

729
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 3: your practice AMMO, and then for Carrie, should you be

730
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 3: carrying it, you'll probably want to carry something that's specifically

731
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 3: designed to be defensive ammunition. They'll be far more expensive

732
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 3: per box. But once you get to the point of yes,

733
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 3: I am ready safe and capable to carry this, you're

734
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 3: going to want to pick something gold dots spear gold

735
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 3: dots are a HaLow point. Yeah, designed to specifically be

736
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 3: for self defense. But make sure the gun you've chosen

737
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 3: works reliably with that defensive ammo, because even though it

738
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 3: works one hundred percent with that FMJ, it may not

739
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 3: work with the defensive ammon. Y'all might have to play

740
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 3: with a little bit.

741
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, we should also know when you are buying AMMO

742
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 2: one line, which is not going to be legal in

743
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 2: every state, but most people will be able to do this.

744
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 2: It pays to be careful. There is a lot of

745
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 2: stuff that is sketchier out there and there can be consequences.

746
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 2: I have had a firearm. I have had like a

747
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 2: handgun blow up in my hand as a result of

748
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 2: getting ammunition that I had not shot before. This was

749
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 2: in fact Turkish. I think it was because I think

750
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 2: it was a hot load but it's possible that it

751
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 2: was the result of a bullet be a squib, and

752
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,879
Speaker 2: that then jammed in the barrel and then another round

753
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 2: came in after it. I generally have been pretty good

754
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 2: at checking to make sure there's a hole in the

755
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 2: paper with each shot, which is something you should be

756
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 2: making sure of like when you're shooting, because if you

757
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 2: shoot around that like does not have enough powder behind it, right,

758
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 2: if you get a bad round, it can jam in

759
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 2: the barrel, and then the second round can cause the

760
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 2: barrel to burst. This is also why we always wear

761
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 2: eye protection. But when looking at AMMO, if you think

762
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 2: this looks like good AMMO and it's cheap, look online.

763
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 2: I'd like Reddit to the name. See what other people

764
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 2: say about it, right, Like, see if you can find

765
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 2: anything written about that. If other usually other people, if

766
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 2: it's like a less reliable manufacturer will have said I've

767
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 2: had a bad experience with this ammunition. Yep, do your

768
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 2: diligence right the first time you're shooting a new kind

769
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 2: of cheap target AMMO.

770
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 3: That that being said, like there's a lot of names

771
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 3: that almost anyone that's never owned a gun before will recognize,

772
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 3: names like Remington, right, Winchester. Yes, these are. That's not

773
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 3: to say that they don't make mistakes too, but like,

774
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,919
Speaker 3: if you're going to go buy a Winchester bulk pack

775
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,240
Speaker 3: of ammunition, you are boning at least what is generally

776
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 3: considered consumer level reliable AMMO if you're buying it.

777
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Crazy Bob's reloading shack right, that was what because

778
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 2: it's a lot of the sketchy stuff isn't even a manufacturer.

779
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 2: It's like AMMO that you may not notice immediately it's like,

780
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 2: oh wow, this seems really cheap, and then it'll say

781
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 2: in small letters remanufactured, right, which means somebody has reloaded it.

782
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,439
Speaker 2: Reloaded AMMA. Un Like you know, you can reload AMMO

783
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 2: and have it be perfectly good ammuen, But do you

784
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 2: know who reloaded this about? Right?

785
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 3: I will tell you as a person that shoots a

786
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,280
Speaker 3: lot and has been doing it for decades, I personally,

787
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,720
Speaker 3: even with all that, I will never fire re manufactured ammunition.

788
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 3: I want to deal with Crazy Bob's weird bad Wenesday.

789
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Crazy Bob's Bad Wednesday.

790
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 3: It's a great.

791
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, we've addressed a pistol, right, Like I want

792
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 4: to dress lunguns and then you mentioned a couple of

793
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 4: things call which you should also a dress, which are

794
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 4: like accessories. A Rubbert mentioned eye protection.

795
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 3: So me let me let me add one more piece

796
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 3: to the pistol and we'll move on the thing now.

797
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 3: The whizbang thing now is every pistol has a red

798
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 3: dot site on it. A red dot site is essentially

799
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 3: an electro optical box that sits on the top of

800
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 3: the slide and you look through it to aim, and

801
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 3: it projects a red dot like almost like a laser

802
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 3: dot if you're not familiar with it to aim with.

803
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 3: For the most part, I'm not saying you shouldn't have

804
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 3: one because they're cool, But for the most part, a

805
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 3: person getting into this specifically for self defense does not

806
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 3: need one of those. I don't need to spend three

807
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 3: hundred dollars on a red dot. The iron sights that

808
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 3: come on any of these guns should be sufficient for

809
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,919
Speaker 3: most purposes, So don't get sockered into I need that. Yeah,

810
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 3: if that's something you want later, think about it, but

811
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 3: it's not a requirement.

812
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 2: Now that said, if a gun has one on it,

813
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 2: I don't agree with people who say, like you can't

814
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 2: learn to shoot on a red dot I think that

815
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 2: that's now you should You will need to look up

816
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,760
Speaker 2: because it may not be sighted, how to site it right,

817
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 2: because it like red dots are a thing like you

818
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 2: need to dial them in right, and there is a

819
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 2: way to do that. Again, you can find guides to

820
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 2: this online, just like you can find guides like mounting

821
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 2: a scope on a rifle. These are complex mechanical tasks.

822
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 2: A red dot less so than a scope. But you

823
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 2: can't just buy a gun with a red dot on

824
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 2: it and trust that that red dot points out where

825
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 2: the bullet's going to go. That's not how they work. Absolutely.

826
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 3: My point being is if you gave me, you said,

827
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 3: this person here needs to be able to hit a

828
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,280
Speaker 3: target fifteen yards away, you've got one hour. I would

829
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 3: not be messing by giving them a red dot. I

830
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:00,919
Speaker 3: would give them with something with sights and just get

831
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 3: them through the task.

832
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 2: If that's where I'm going with that, Yeah, I think

833
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 2: that's perfectly reasonable. Yeah. I prefer, like now that I

834
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 2: know what I'm doing, to use my red dots and stuff.

835
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 2: But I also pretty regularly shoot with iron sights in

836
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 2: part because I like it, Like it's it's enjoyable mechanically

837
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 2: and it's kind of how I learned.

838
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, don't get me wrong, it is better.

839
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it also have another level of complexity and

840
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,320
Speaker 5: it's more to go wrong, Like if you're installing that yourself,

841
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 5: it's annoying and it's easy to mess up and then

842
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 5: you're upset.

843
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:32,919
Speaker 3: And yeah.

844
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's move on to long guns. Like one thing

845
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 4: that we should mention that you might buy an AR,

846
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 4: specifically an AR actually and find that it comes with

847
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 4: no sighting systems at all. Yes, and so that's the

848
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 4: thing to build into your budget. So let's talk about

849
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 4: like what to get for your budget in the long

850
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 4: gun category. Calf.

851
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, so when we go to long guns, we talk

852
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 3: about rifles and shotguns. Let's stick with rifles for now,

853
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 3: I'm assuming so in that regard, this is the thing

854
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 3: where like actually have a video on my channel about

855
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 3: the NFA, which is the National Firearms Act, which is

856
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 3: what regulates a lot of machine guns and stuff. But

857
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 3: this also occurs across many gun control laws. They're frequently ablest,

858
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 3: and the things that they put the most rescriptions on

859
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 3: are the things that are actually most capable, and that

860
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 3: means that means air fifteens in their general guys with

861
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 3: a pistol grip and a red dot site which we

862
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 3: just mentioned for pistols and a thirty round magazine is

863
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 3: the thing that is going to be the most I

864
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 3: could get anyone. I tell you, anyone capable of hitting

865
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 3: at a target at fifty yards within a four hour

866
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 3: training session with a red dot sideed Air fifteen and

867
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 3: a good magazine. It's a good ammunition. Air fifteens are

868
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 3: light low recoil. They're loud because of the five five six,

869
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 3: but they're light low recoil guns that almost any one

870
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 3: of most body structure can handle. Now there's exceptions, of course,

871
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 3: if you have specific physical challenges that's another discussion. But

872
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 3: if almost anyone tiny to large can handle a basic

873
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 3: AAR fifteen, and it is the gun that is most

874
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 3: focused on for gun control, ironically, places like California where

875
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 3: they take away things that make it more functional, like

876
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 3: no pistol grip or reduce your magazine capacity because they're

877
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 3: trying to diminish the functionality of the gun. But the

878
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 3: reality is the reason they're doing that is because that

879
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 3: is the gun that is most functional for most people,

880
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 3: and it is therefore the one that almost anyone can

881
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 3: handle pretty well with the smallest amount of training.

882
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, And I think there's a good point there

883
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 2: in if I were coaching someone who is buying an

884
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 2: AR that has no you know, does not have iron

885
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 2: sights on it at all, you are it is much

886
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 2: easier to learn how to site in and use a

887
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,399
Speaker 2: red dot on an AR than learning how to adjust

888
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 2: the site the iron sights on an AR fifteen, right, Like,

889
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,479
Speaker 2: not that you can't learn that that you should again,

890
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 2: you have to, you can watch a video on it,

891
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,439
Speaker 2: but it's much more intuitive to set up a red

892
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 2: dot in that way.

893
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 3: This is actually where I would flip flop. If you're

894
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 3: with the pill, don't concern yourself too much of the

895
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 3: red dot. If you're going with an air fifteen, concern

896
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 3: yourself with the release. Get a red dot to the opposite. Yeah.

897
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, unless you were like in the Marines or something

898
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,439
Speaker 2: and you know how to dial in your irons, right,

899
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 2: and even then you're gonna have a better time with

900
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 2: a red dot.

901
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, totally once and a red dot is very intuitive.

902
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 3: So one of the things that people are familiar with firearms,

903
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 3: but when you bring up a long arm, there's multiple

904
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 3: points of contact to the person shooting the gun. When

905
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 3: you bring up a pistol, you probably have two hands

906
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 3: on it and you're pushing your arms out almost like

907
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 3: you're like making a triangle. When you're using a long

908
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 3: arm like an air fifteen, there's a butt stock on

909
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 3: your shoulder, your cheek is on the actual comb, which

910
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 3: is the base of the stalk. Your other hand, your

911
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 3: support hand, is holding the gun up on the front

912
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 3: of it. You have a minimum of three points of

913
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 3: contact with a red dot. That makes it very stable

914
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 3: and easy to get reliable hits. And the red dot

915
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 3: means you can keep both eyes open, don't need to

916
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 3: worry about the idiosyncrasies of focusing on a front site. Essentially,

917
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 3: if it's neuro meaning the dot is regulated to where

918
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 3: the gun hits, and you put the dot on the

919
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,720
Speaker 3: thing and press the trigger without doing something like jerking

920
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 3: the gun, you'll hit the target. And so that's why

921
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 3: that matters.

922
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, So what sort of budge each people be looking

923
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 4: at and like, would you be comfortable recommending, like even

924
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 4: brands that they should look at.

925
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 3: It all comes down the cost when it comes to

926
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 3: air fifteen, So you can spend as much money as

927
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 3: you want the reality is I have a video on

928
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 3: the channel. Never mind if you like or just like

929
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 3: the company. They're one of the ones that really push

930
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 3: the lower cost products out there. PSA it stands for

931
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 3: Palm Models, pal Metal State Armory. You can go there

932
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 3: and get your branded Trump lower. But at the same time,

933
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 3: you can get an AR fifteen for like four hundred bucks.

934
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like in the gun space, you're not going

935
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 2: to find someone to buy who is spotless and selling

936
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 2: guns in large numbers cheaply.

937
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, like that's not so like, So so for foreigner

938
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 3: bucks are around there. From PSA, you can get a

939
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 3: traditional what's called an M four. It's essentially a sixteen

940
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 3: inch car beam. It won't have any sighting system on that,

941
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 3: so expect to throw another two hundred bucks ish onto

942
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 3: a reasonable red dot site on that. So for around

943
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 3: the six hundred dollars range, you're gonna get a gun

944
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 3: that's going to weigh seven pounds, but it's gonna have

945
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 3: low recoil and you're gonna have something that's for the

946
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 3: most part, reasonably reliable. Is it the best of the

947
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 3: company is the best of the best. No, but it's

948
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 3: reasonably lightweight. It is well manufactured. I've done videos about

949
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 3: them on my channel. They've worked just fine. And so

950
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 3: four or four inner ish for the gun, of the

951
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 3: two hundred for the sighting system, couple mags. You could

952
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 3: get out of the door for under seven hundred dollars

953
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 3: with everything probably under that, maybe under six hundred even

954
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 3: if you're careful. Oh but let me plug one thing.

955
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 3: If you've got lots and lots more money, double that

956
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 3: you get what would Stunter do? Carbon which I designed.

957
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 3: It'll be half the weight and super reliable from Katie Arms.

958
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 3: But I doesn't bring any money to me. I'm just saying.

959
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 3: The point I'm making here is you can get something

960
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 3: good enough, and if you've got more money, there is

961
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 3: better out there that are lighter, more reliable guns. But

962
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 3: you don't need to is my point. I'm not trying

963
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 3: to sell anything here.

964
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, they are one of the few manufacturers who offer

965
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 4: like a California compliance solution at checkout, which is nice

966
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 4: for California people.

967
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so that can be a really beneficial thing

968
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 2: to you in terms of you know, not having it

969
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 2: be something that you're scared about.

970
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 3: California Compliant will probably need no flash hider, no pistol

971
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 3: grim and a fixed magazine at least at this point

972
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 3: in time.

973
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 4: You can have you can have the removable magazine if

974
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 4: you don't have the flash heighted pistol grip in the

975
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 4: collapsing stock.

976
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 3: So okay, all right, well, if you can buy it

977
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 3: from them ready to go, there's I know, there's also

978
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 3: a magazine capacity requirements or in case so maybe you

979
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 3: have to buy like a couple ten round bags or

980
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 3: something like that. Yeah, yeah, obviously thirty round bags are

981
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 3: better than ten round bags, and for mostly if you

982
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,399
Speaker 3: live in a place like California, do not worry too

983
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 3: much about that. If you get a little proficiency on that,

984
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 3: a couple ten round bags will do a lot.

985
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 2: And to be honest, in self defense shootings, the odds

986
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 2: are load that you will be firing that many rounds

987
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 2: right now. If you're in a self defense shooting where

988
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 2: you do need more bullets than that, there's really nothing

989
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 2: that can replace having those bullets you know, available.

990
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 4: But yeah, don't get raptraniacs on it, like it's not

991
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 4: something you can change.

992
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 2: The fact that you only have a ten round magazine

993
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 2: does not mean that you can't become proficient.

994
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't want anyone here to think that

995
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 3: I'm saying you shouldn't you should be able to get

996
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,720
Speaker 3: six ye round magazine. One far as I'm concerned, places

997
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 3: like California to have these restrictions have them statistically speaking,

998
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 3: and I don't know if this dat has changed. Most

999
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 3: self defense shootings happen within three yards, three seconds, three

1000
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 3: shots fired. Yeah, yep, yeah, yep.

1001
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 4: I think it's really good to remember that when you

1002
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 4: are seeing some YouTube thet tell you need to be

1003
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 4: able to have thirty rounds in five five hundred yards.

1004
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 2: I don't go downtown without my backpack and my SBRD

1005
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 2: three hundred black APT with six thirty round magazines accessible.

1006
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 4: I was in conservative man scat of cities.

1007
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I carry an RPG and I take the

1008
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 3: little safety camp off because I like to live now.

1009
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, dangerous down there. My clothing is made

1010
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 2: out of debt cord. I just wear nothing but debt

1011
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,479
Speaker 2: cord wherever I go. We're all going down.

1012
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 4: At least you take some people with you.

1013
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 3: It's all city blocks.

1014
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 4: Then, yeah, self defense Montden.

1015
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 3: But let me say one more thing about long arms.

1016
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 3: Another thing you'll see from people that are new in

1017
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 3: the space, depending on like what they've seen or what

1018
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 3: they've consumed. This is going to get some hate. Don't

1019
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 3: bother with aks, Yeah, just don't. This is the United

1020
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 3: States of America, and this country believes in the air fifteen.

1021
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 3: And what that boiled down to is they're everywhere. They're prolific.

1022
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 3: The parts are here, Yeah, the repairs here, they're well manufactured.

1023
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 3: When you stray from that course to something like an AK,

1024
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 3: you're first of all, you're losing ergonomics. But that's a

1025
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 3: different problem. You're dealing with an unknown quantity of problems.

1026
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 3: You get an Air fifteen. That's what's in this country.

1027
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 3: It's what's prolific. Yeah, if you were in if you

1028
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 3: were in somewhere war torn Africa, get your AK here.

1029
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,720
Speaker 2: I'll say this about the war torn AK countries because

1030
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 2: I've been in three contries where the primary arm is

1031
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 2: an AK M right, like a kind of AK right Siri, Ukraine,

1032
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,280
Speaker 2: in Iraq. In all three of those countries, every soldier

1033
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 2: who knew their stuff, who was proficient and had the option,

1034
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 2: chosen AR platform if they could. Yeah, one hundred percent

1035
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 2: of the time, they're just better firearms.

1036
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's been my experience as well, they look cool,

1037
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 4: but but don't go Yeah, just get a their fore Yeah,

1038
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 4: Like I love my ak's, but they're they're range fun toys,

1039
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 4: right like.

1040
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 3: Yeah. So let's talk.

1041
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 4: About accessorizing, which again is much easier with ais and aks. Like,

1042
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,280
Speaker 4: what other stuff do you need to build into your budget?

1043
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 4: If you've not shot before, you might not know that

1044
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 4: you need a pro ipro sling, maybe haulster.

1045
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 3: Well, we'll start with the firearms accessories, right, So with

1046
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 3: the pithtol. First of all, we talked about safe storage.

1047
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 3: That's already off the table with the pistol. If you

1048
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 3: plan to carry it, you need a good reliable holster

1049
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,280
Speaker 3: and a good reliable gun belt.

1050
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 2: Good lord, Yes.

1051
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 3: Depending on how you want to carry it, that'll determine

1052
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 3: the kind of holster. If you want an outside the waistband,

1053
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 3: which means it sits outside your belt, that's one thing.

1054
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 3: If you're carrying it concealed, you're probably gonna want an

1055
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 3: inside the waistband, which goes between your belt and your body.

1056
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 3: Again under the level of training there, because when you're

1057
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 3: drawing from that, things can go wrong, sure, and that's

1058
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 3: where people tend to shoot themselves. So that's what you

1059
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 3: needed to be very cautious of. But with a pithtol

1060
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 3: typically you're going to want probably an extra magazine or two.

1061
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 3: It may come with one, depending on what you bought,

1062
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 3: a quality gun belt and a quality holster.

1063
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 2: Now what about what about a forty four derringer and

1064
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 2: an ankle holster on each angle, right like that seems

1065
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 2: like the ideal solution. Anytime you're in danger. You just

1066
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 2: got a squat right down there, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, no,

1067
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 2: get real low.

1068
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, especially when you've been pushed pushed onto your back

1069
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 3: by the mob and you're there on that scene and

1070
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:51,240
Speaker 3: you're pulling it out of your ankle holster.

1071
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 2: Yeah right, no, no, no, just just get a wire around

1072
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 2: the trigger and attach it to your toes.

1073
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 3: So that you can squeeze your toes and fire the detention.

1074
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 3: What you need is the belt buckle revolver from North

1075
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 3: American US. Yeah, that is great. Yeah, no, from that

1076
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 3: freaking movie, the lampire movie Quinn Tarantino.

1077
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 2: Oh geez, sons, that's still done.

1078
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 3: God yeah, no, before the pip belt, a magazine or

1079
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 3: two extra it might come with them, and a quality holster. Now,

1080
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 3: the obvious puctioning is what's a quality holster, And the

1081
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 3: obvious answer is there's too many out there to be

1082
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:27,320
Speaker 3: able to offer you that answer right now. Probably something

1083
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 3: polymer if it's going to be outside the waistband, and

1084
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 3: this will be another one that'll get people fired up. Generally,

1085
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 3: avoid the Surpa holsters unless you really want to have

1086
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 3: a lot of training. Surpa holsters are one that have

1087
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 3: a little button on the side that allows the gun

1088
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 3: to come out if you're not trained well or have

1089
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 3: the wrong gun in it. It also allows you to

1090
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 3: accidentally shoot yourself quite easily as well.

1091
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:48,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, best avoided. That's a very good point. And also

1092
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 2: one thing I will note is there's a danger that

1093
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 2: a lot of people aren't aware of with leather, which

1094
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 2: is that leather holsters. Now, there are some leather holsters

1095
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 2: that have like a trigger area reinforced with kax, which is,

1096
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 2: you know, a rigid, class sticky substance. But if it's

1097
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 2: not in time, those can start to like get weaker

1098
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,240
Speaker 2: and warn in such a way that it can also

1099
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 2: cause it to press the trigger when you holster it.

1100
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 2: Like that's a thing that has happened to people. So

1101
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 2: I generally think you want whatever. You want the trigger

1102
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 2: guard to be rigid and not something that's going to

1103
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 2: like warp and be malleable around the trigger, right, Like

1104
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 2: the whole point is that it stops the trigger from fire.

1105
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 4: Yes, this you want to avoid that. How about with

1106
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 4: the with the longens, like what are you going to

1107
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 4: need to budget for those? And then other things like

1108
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 4: for shooting Germany that you'll need if you don't already

1109
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 4: have then, So.

1110
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 3: When it comes to the long arm, we already said

1111
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 3: if you're going to get an air fifteen, you're going

1112
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 3: to want to stick some sort of red odside on it.

1113
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 3: The lowest cost ones that are the unbelievably bomb proof

1114
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 3: are a Chinese company called hollow Song. Hell yeah, I

1115
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 3: have a hollow Sun from twenty seventeen that is still

1116
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 3: works just fine.

1117
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 2: I love my hollow suns.

1118
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, my hollow Sun's been bounced down an asshall road

1119
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 3: and it still works fine.

1120
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 2: So it's the opposite of a fail sun, a hollow sun.

1121
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 3: So you can pick up a red dot hollow soun.

1122
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 3: Those can go. You can get those sometimes sometimes that

1123
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 3: low is like one hundred and fifty bucks. Yeah, so

1124
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 3: you'll need a red dot site a sling is nice,

1125
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 3: not required, especially if you're going to be using within

1126
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 3: the premises of your property, you probably don't need to

1127
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 3: worry about that. It Also, slings can cause issues like

1128
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 3: get caught on things or on things in your house,

1129
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 3: or even tangle you up. So that's this training issue.

1130
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:34,919
Speaker 3: So sling is iffy, an extra magazine or two. And

1131
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 3: if you're planning on needing to use this for a

1132
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 3: defensive purpose inside of your home or structure or at night,

1133
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 3: it's not the worst thing in the world to throw

1134
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 3: on a flashlight.

1135
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, especially if it's like a defensive firearm like

1136
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 2: it's your home defense gun, or a carry gun like

1137
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 2: a flashlight. And also if you're I think it's generally

1138
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 2: a good idea if you're going to carry a carry

1139
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 2: firearm with a flashlight, their flashlight that's not on a gun,

1140
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 2: because one thing you should never do is use your

1141
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 2: gun flashlight to look at.

1142
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 3: Just random shit that you need a flash light, bark,

1143
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:10,840
Speaker 3: you come home at night in the dark, you forgot,

1144
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 3: you forgot, you can't find which key is the right thing.

1145
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 3: Don't do that, don't do that, don't do that.

1146
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 4: It's a pretty good list of accessories set make sure

1147
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,399
Speaker 4: you have a lad air and eye protection as well.

1148
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 3: So we're gonna go on the safety side of things.

1149
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 3: You need proper shooting glasses. That means not the glasses

1150
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 3: that you picked up for readers at Walgreen. If they're

1151
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 3: shooting glasses can be as cheap as nine bucks all

1152
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 3: the way up to hundreds of bucks. You can get

1153
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 3: them at the sporting good store. But they're designed with

1154
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 3: the kind of plastic to be able to take shrapnel

1155
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 3: or hits from pieces of fragments that are high velocity.

1156
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 3: They're meant for that. So ten dollars shooting glasses, Yes,

1157
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 3: you need. Yes, hearing protection. Those can be squishy earplugs

1158
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 3: you put in your ear or they can be over

1159
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 3: the head mouths. Do not ever shoot guns except in

1160
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 3: the most critical conditions or situation. Yeah, without eye protection

1161
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 3: and hearing protection. Yes, that's the kind of stuff where

1162
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 3: you lose an eye and every time you fire that gun,

1163
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 3: you're losing hearing every time.

1164
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and like for the really because obviously most

1165
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 2: like it hurts to shoot a firearm without hearing protection.

1166
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 2: Like you can get away with shooting a gun without

1167
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 2: EyePro every time, but the one time right, which is

1168
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 2: why I really emphasize eye protection. It's easy to convince

1169
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,439
Speaker 2: yourself I don't need to have it on right now,

1170
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 2: you do, yeah.

1171
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 3: Like, because that's the day that it does the thing.

1172
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, guns do fuck up, for lack of a

1173
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 2: better term, and you really don't want your eye unprotected

1174
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 2: if they do.

1175
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's a bad day.

1176
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and so. But you on the safety side of

1177
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 3: eye protection and hearing protection, it can be as cheap

1178
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 3: as ten dollars shooting glasses and a bottle of squishy earplugs.

1179
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 3: You're gonna be in there for twenty bucks. Yeah.

1180
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, it doesn't have to be expensive. Make sure you

1181
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 4: have it and make sure you see it.

1182
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 3: But you know what, before you do any of this,

1183
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 3: you know what's a smart thing to do. Go take

1184
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 3: a class from Stop the Bleed and learn how to

1185
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 3: use tourniquets in medical gear. Yah, and have that around

1186
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 3: anyway before you ever buy a gun. Go do that. Yes,

1187
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 3: a mess, that's the most important thing you could do

1188
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 3: for anyone.

1189
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, and that, as you said, should be a

1190
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 2: priority before getting the firearm. And if you have the

1191
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 2: money to get and train a gun, you have no

1192
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 2: excuse for not having an individual first aid kit, an

1193
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 2: I fact and the knowledge of how to use it right,

1194
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 2: and I.

1195
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,359
Speaker 3: Think Stop the Bleed classes are usually free. You can

1196
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 3: look it up and stop the Bleed dot com or

1197
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 3: dot org, google it, take a class. It's easy. How

1198
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 3: to use a tourniquet, use how to use a bandage.

1199
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 3: Have an IPAC as was just mentioned, which can be

1200
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 3: a pretty simple kit.

1201
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 4: Ye.

1202
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 3: And as you said, Robert, if you can afford a gun,

1203
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:44,839
Speaker 3: you can afford that and have that with you on

1204
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 3: the range anytime you're shooting, because as you said, guns

1205
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 3: can fuck up. They usually don't, but if they do,

1206
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 3: you're gonna want that I fact and that I fact

1207
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 3: and that training might just help your neighbor one day

1208
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 3: when they get in a car accident or whatever.

1209
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 2: I regularly make the decision not to carry my gun

1210
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 2: with me places.

1211
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 3: Right.

1212
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 2: You know, I'm going to go out and get drunk tonight.

1213
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 2: I don't need if I have a fire.

1214
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 3: Alarm on me when I'm drunk.

1215
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 2: But you know what I always have is the ifact

1216
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 2: right every single time, you know, because number one drunk

1217
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 2: with an IFAC, I'm no I might I'm probably less effective,

1218
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 2: but I'm not going to endanger anyone. You're just like, hey, buddy,

1219
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 2: I think you need a partner kit. He's like, no,

1220
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:25,399
Speaker 2: give me here. Google said, this goes around the neck.

1221
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 3: But once again, a sotoppable class on an IPAC is

1222
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 3: more likely to serve you or your community more than

1223
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:34,319
Speaker 3: any gun ever will. Yeah.

1224
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's a great place. I would say that.

1225
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 4: If you are going down this pathway and you're looking

1226
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 4: to join openly leftist gun organizations, there are several, right,

1227
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 4: John Brown Gun Club, Socialist Rifle Association, We've had those

1228
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 4: people on our show before. Be cautious when you're doing

1229
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 4: that and keep an eye on things, because that could

1230
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 4: be something that might get you into into trouble in

1231
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 4: the long run. So it's something to be aware of.

1232
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:01,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it might be good to just put a holder

1233
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 2: on joining a new organization until we're a few months

1234
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:04,800
Speaker 2: into this.

1235
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 3: Thing coming up next year.

1236
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 2: Maybe have an idea about what kind of things might

1237
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 2: be safe and what kind of things might be less safe.

1238
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 3: Definitely, no, but none of that stops you from using signal,

1239
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:18,320
Speaker 3: building community and learning how to use a firearm properly.

1240
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 2: Right at meeting people, yes, and like training with them,

1241
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 2: you know, or and taking getting training, getting building proficiency. Absolutely,

1242
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 2: all of that is legal and will remain legal. Just

1243
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 2: don't start if anyone ever talks to you about let's

1244
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 2: make a militia, do that. It's time to leave that conversation,

1245
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 2: right because, among other things, at this point, there's a

1246
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:39,720
Speaker 2: good chance they're the FBI.

1247
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:45,399
Speaker 3: If you live in Michigan, do not. Yeah yeah, this

1248
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 3: podcast brought to you by co Intel Pro.

1249
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 1: Do you.

1250
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, that's great, But.

1251
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 3: I mean it's a tough challenge. So the other thing

1252
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:56,840
Speaker 3: you can do is also, once you've got your basic

1253
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 3: proficiency up and you know that you are safe in

1254
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 3: terms of hand handling things, let me throw this out

1255
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,399
Speaker 3: there too. It doesn't have to be any specific one.

1256
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 3: Although remember you're going into a space that may not

1257
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 3: be politically your comfortable place. A good place to build

1258
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 3: up skill is to go shoot matches competitions. Yeah, for

1259
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 3: the most part, it's business oriented. You'll see you'll hear

1260
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 3: some stupid comments here or there, depending on what match

1261
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 3: you're at, but the reality is you're not there for that.

1262
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 3: You're there to get better with your gun on a

1263
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 3: course of fire that they put up for you. Pay

1264
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 3: your ten bucks or twenty bucks learn how to shoot

1265
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 3: better in those conditions, and that's another space to once

1266
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 3: the basic trainings out of the way, don't go to

1267
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 3: a match the b training. Use the match to help

1268
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 3: increase your skill after you've gotten training. But those matches

1269
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 3: can be a place to really help you out a lot.

1270
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 3: And there's a lot of them around and those are

1271
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 3: easier to find than almost anything.

1272
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 4: Yep, practice scores where you can lick them up if

1273
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 4: you're into that kind of thing. Excellent, Thanks very much

1274
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 4: for joining us, Kyle. Do you want to very briefly

1275
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 4: plug your YouTube channel? Where can people find you?

1276
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 3: Well? Sure, and thank you for having me on the show.

1277
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 3: It's always a treat. I really appreciate it. It's always

1278
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 3: great to be able just to hang out with you both.

1279
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 3: Shuld do it more often. You can find my work

1280
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 3: it's in Range TV. You can find my website at

1281
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 3: inrange dot tv. I'm distributed decentralized across multiple platforms, a

1282
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 3: predominant one being YouTube. Cover everything from civil rights history,

1283
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 3: human rights to firearms to from old West flintlocks up

1284
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 3: to the most modern machine guns across the channel. Some

1285
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 3: of it is instructional, some of its history and I've

1286
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 3: got a cool video dropping tomorrow, in fact well tomorrow

1287
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 3: based on when we're recording this on the Opium Wars

1288
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 3: and how Britain and China's firearms technology discrepancy caused Hong

1289
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 3: Kong to be owned by Britain. That's the kind of

1290
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 3: stuff I do on my channel. So check that out.

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Speaker 3: And if you want to find matches that are going

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Speaker 3: to be a place that is truly an inclusive space,

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Speaker 3: we do run matches called Brutality Matches. You can find

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Speaker 3: them at Brutalitymatches dot org. They're not monthly, we have

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Speaker 3: run a couple of them across the country, but I

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Speaker 3: can guarantee you that's the space you will feel comfortable

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Speaker 3: because we make it that way.

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Speaker 2: It's awesome.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks col.

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