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Speaker 2: We Uh, we had those guys on and it was
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of banter.
Speaker 2: This is like, this was the most locker room vibe
Speaker 2: I've felt on the bus because we had five guys talking.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: We had we threw a few little whistle pigs in
Speaker 2: us before this whole show even started.
Speaker 1: So it was a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: There's some talking over each other a little bit, please
Speaker 2: have some patience, but the boys we had a lot
Speaker 2: of fun, a lot of laughs around each other. At
Speaker 2: the beginning, we talk about we get into some some
Speaker 2: some Derrick Henry.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's drama or arguing back and
Speaker 2: forth about who the best back.
Speaker 1: In the league is.
Speaker 2: Obviously, Uh, the Titan side, we think, well, we think
Speaker 2: about Derek, and then you got the other side. We
Speaker 2: got to hear from from Taylor talking about who he
Speaker 2: thought the best back was. Ryan Clarks obviously says some
Speaker 2: things against Derrick Henry that gets addressed, but a lot
Speaker 2: of good locker room talk, a lot of good banter.
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Speaker 1: Here is the boys with the Pivot podcast. No problem,
Speaker 1: we're running? Were you speaking when you're saying that?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 6: So so like it's a crazy thing, right, like how
Speaker 6: time's changed.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: Well, you know obviously you've been to my house with
Speaker 7: Bible study. You know, we.
Speaker 1: Knowing chicken right.
Speaker 8: In fact, he was killing you on Pivot about yea
Speaker 8: chicken things.
Speaker 6: So he was like he would actually just to eat.
Speaker 6: Here's just crazy. Hey Taylor, Hey Taylor, my dog would
Speaker 6: eat they take a doggie bag.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 6: But it's super cool though, right right, It's super cool
Speaker 6: to see my dog Mary about to have a baby
Speaker 6: and be like uncle RC like like that's dope. Like
Speaker 6: even being here man, and like having an opportunity to
Speaker 6: be on the bus.
Speaker 7: Obviously Ta you weren't here.
Speaker 6: But it's crazy though, Like I bring chatting with me,
Speaker 6: I bring friend with me, and I got to hold
Speaker 6: my mic like everybody else got the joint like, I
Speaker 6: don't even know if I got a camera, Like, do
Speaker 6: I have a damn goalpro.
Speaker 1: I think it's easy.
Speaker 8: It's an easy explanation why these two gentlemen right here,
Speaker 8: and they seem very nice gentle geting me the right
Speaker 8: way when I came in. The only thing I've seen
Speaker 8: from you is sitting on ESPN talking shit about Derek Henry.
Speaker 1: And that's where it is.
Speaker 7: Wow, I said that make him hold the so his
Speaker 7: What was crazy to me?
Speaker 1: See that up towards the end of this thing.
Speaker 3: Here's was crazy to me.
Speaker 1: Th t.
Speaker 6: I never said Derek Henry wasn't a great running back, right,
Speaker 6: I never said he wasn't one of the best in
Speaker 6: the league. All I said it was when it's time
Speaker 6: for him to get a tough yard and act like
Speaker 6: he was two hundred.
Speaker 7: And fifty pounds, he wouldn't.
Speaker 6: And listen, I've never played running back except for like
Speaker 6: little league.
Speaker 8: So when you go, if we're gonna get into the
Speaker 8: last week with the Bengals, we knew that ninety four.
Speaker 8: Sam Hubston, Hudson, Hubbard, Hubbard, Damn Hudberd. First off, Stam,
Speaker 8: I know you're probably watching this you told me you're
Speaker 8: a fan on the field. Your lats aren't that big, budd,
Speaker 8: so put those hands down by that way. But watching
Speaker 8: on film when we did read options, he always came
Speaker 8: to the quarterback like right to uh, like the intersection
Speaker 8: between the running back and the quarterback, the mesh point.
Speaker 1: That's think you, that's why you're staring. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 3: You know, hold on.
Speaker 8: It's third down and so we call that play. I'm
Speaker 8: not going to say I'll play it this. I'm still
Speaker 8: playing and I don't want to give up what we're doing.
Speaker 8: They were saying ninety nine point nine percent time, it's
Speaker 8: going to be a pull, and I think I think
Speaker 8: they told Tannehill to pull it because of the way
Speaker 8: he's shown on film.
Speaker 1: He plays the poll. That's and that's as far as
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 8: I don't know if that's true or not like that,
Speaker 8: But when we watched on film in the old line
Speaker 8: room or a line coach said, this guy is coming
Speaker 8: at the mesh, the mesh point every single time. But
Speaker 8: getting out, getting at the yard. As a running back,
Speaker 8: you can put the biggest uo out there. I saw
Speaker 8: Quent Nelson not score on a he was an eligible
Speaker 8: player at fullback.
Speaker 1: One time, he's three hundred and sixty pounds.
Speaker 6: He was Quentin Nelson, don't run footballs for a living, bro, Bro,
Speaker 6: And I said this. He talks about Wade Taylor.
Speaker 7: I don't think.
Speaker 6: I think Derrick Henry is one of the best running
Speaker 6: backs in the best. That's not true.
Speaker 8: I think he had almost a thousand yards and didn't
Speaker 8: play ten games.
Speaker 7: Absolutely amazing.
Speaker 6: The fact that I don't know who's over Here's what
Speaker 6: I'm saying, Taylor, Taylor, here's my thing. So here's what
Speaker 6: I thought, here's my here's my only thought. I didn't
Speaker 6: think Derrick Henry because the way people saw him as
Speaker 6: a power back.
Speaker 7: I don't think Derrick Henry is a power back.
Speaker 6: I don't think the fear that most media analysts talk
Speaker 6: about Derrick Henery running the football is a fear I have,
Speaker 6: right like I am at two hundred pounds, fully fully confident.
Speaker 7: You give me a small hole and Derrek ca Andy,
Speaker 7: I'll win.
Speaker 3: That's why you can't.
Speaker 1: Say that out of ten times. Let me let me
Speaker 1: say this, Okay, yeah, you go ahead, and then I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go and have will. So let me let me
Speaker 1: say that I was Also.
Speaker 7: I was a cuss and I came on the side.
Speaker 6: Will Will Will, But I didn't get I said, will content,
Speaker 6: I said a small.
Speaker 1: Hole face, but you're older there.
Speaker 7: That was my that was I be honest, it wasn't
Speaker 7: about older. So I hate. I had ad kwal bold
Speaker 7: in a few plays before.
Speaker 1: I was sleep.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna be honest.
Speaker 3: I was sleeping and knocked you out.
Speaker 7: I was knocked out.
Speaker 6: I came back in the game and they ran. They
Speaker 6: ran the zone, read the other way I was coming from.
Speaker 6: I was coming from the side, and he ran through me.
Speaker 6: I'll be honest, straight up, I'm that's not what I'm
Speaker 6: talking about. What I'm talking about is this. And I said,
Speaker 6: I talked about Will to this. I want a small
Speaker 6: hole where none of us have anywhere to go.
Speaker 3: We want That's what that's But call those high.
Speaker 7: I don't both of them. I don't think like.
Speaker 6: I don't think Derek Herey's soft like I just don't
Speaker 6: think he's the power runner.
Speaker 1: But this is people because.
Speaker 3: Of his size.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: Let me talk a little bit because Arcie, you know
Speaker 4: he's he's a defender, right, that's what he wants.
Speaker 1: He wants that.
Speaker 4: That's very inviting for him, and quite quite honestly, if
Speaker 4: he sees a small hole, formulating he's going to shoot
Speaker 4: his wide and he's supposed to just shoot everything. But
Speaker 4: as a running back, and we're talking about a guy
Speaker 4: who's six four, two hundred and I don't know, thirty
Speaker 4: five pounds or whatever.
Speaker 1: All right, two fifty, Right, he's a strider, you.
Speaker 4: Know, he's he's not quick, you know, in space, in
Speaker 4: intermediate space, he's a strider. He has to have the
Speaker 4: ability to get going. When he's going. He had his
Speaker 4: assets are his stiff arm, and now when he's out
Speaker 4: in the open field, he's a strid. Nobody wants any
Speaker 4: business from Derrick Henry when he when he's going. But
Speaker 4: if you get an opportunity, like Arcie says, to catch
Speaker 4: him in a hole at the line of scrimmage, there's
Speaker 4: not a lot of play for him because his lateral
Speaker 4: ability isn't great. He has good later ability for a
Speaker 4: big guy, but he's not gonna shift his feet and
Speaker 4: jump cut. No, he doesn't have the best jump cut
Speaker 4: in the game. I got to give that to Jonathan
Speaker 4: Taylor and Indy. In my opinion, Derek Henry is still
Speaker 4: the best back in the League one A, one B.
Speaker 4: I will go with Jonathan Taylor.
Speaker 1: I would want Derek Henry in the hole.
Speaker 4: I don't want him to get a full high charging
Speaker 4: the head of you know, full head of speed. That's
Speaker 4: impossible if he does. No, no, no, it's not that I'm scary.
Speaker 4: I'm having played the position for my entire fucking life.
Speaker 4: I know how it goes. He's a he's a big
Speaker 4: strong man. And if he gets if he gets downhill.
Speaker 3: Here he right through anybody.
Speaker 8: You gonna hold your mon, you gonna hold your monkey
Speaker 8: safety from the Bills. Monday night football, wide open space.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I saw the ninety plus yard of ninety nine
Speaker 4: against my old team.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Stiff arms and that's great, great stiff forms. You know
Speaker 1: what if I'm six four desive lineman at the Colts to.
Speaker 6: W W character right, Wow, So I'm I'm six four,
Speaker 6: I know how to run away from people and throw
Speaker 6: stiff forms.
Speaker 1: I'm not believing it.
Speaker 3: So all I want to.
Speaker 7: See is face to face.
Speaker 1: What do I see?
Speaker 4: You?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: So you have to give it to a guy who
Speaker 4: was undrafted. He he thirteen of them. I was getting there.
Speaker 4: So thirteen years in the average live span is what
Speaker 4: three years? Right, three and some change down?
Speaker 1: It's gone down now two and a half.
Speaker 4: A right, so just around hovering around almost three years,
Speaker 4: two and a half. This guy is an overachiever. He's
Speaker 4: done great. So every chance he gets, he's going to
Speaker 4: have that that that small guy play right, he wants
Speaker 4: to give you every fucking thing that he has.
Speaker 6: Telor what I'm asking is, let me be in the spot.
Speaker 6: Why don't have to wrap him up?
Speaker 3: You're right, you're.
Speaker 1: Gonna you are gonna win. Guess what? All right, so
Speaker 1: gonna win?
Speaker 8: Let me just get this right of what you're trying
Speaker 8: to say. How you would beat Derrick Henry if the
Speaker 8: hole was small enough for just your shoulders could fit through,
Speaker 8: and Derrick Henry was coming downhill, you're saying you would
Speaker 8: tackle him.
Speaker 6: Know what I'm saying is I would I would like
Speaker 6: I would split him.
Speaker 8: You're talking like, listen, I was with you little, because
Speaker 8: then I would have said, okay, you'd have probably gotten
Speaker 8: know on him.
Speaker 1: They would have fell forward for two yards.
Speaker 3: You would have gone with the.
Speaker 1: Name I'm doing.
Speaker 7: Listen, dude, Taylor, what I'm telling you your ability? Taylor's
Speaker 7: Taylor going on?
Speaker 3: Taylor and will I've been hit.
Speaker 7: Shut the f up.
Speaker 6: What I'm telling you is this, Taylor, the f if
Speaker 6: you pull a ta know what I'm saying is what
Speaker 6: I'm saying is this though. I'm saying, great job by
Speaker 6: busting in the boys, right, pulling a tape, busted with them.
Speaker 1: Sorry, we're not gonna be in the boys on the
Speaker 1: bus busting.
Speaker 7: With the boys.
Speaker 1: If y'all go in the boy I don't want what's
Speaker 1: going on in there.
Speaker 3: Letting go the boys and we are, then.
Speaker 1: Let's let it go.
Speaker 8: Let's take your wings outside.
Speaker 5: With it.
Speaker 6: Here's what I'm gonna say. Here's what I'm gonna saying.
Speaker 6: It's a blessing that you pulled a year thirteen tape.
Speaker 6: I said that note of Ryan Clark in the hole,
Speaker 6: and I'm gonna leave it at that.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna say, is this though. All I'm gonna say
Speaker 7: is this, pull Pro.
Speaker 9: Bowl r C.
Speaker 1: No, No, I'm cool, I'm cool.
Speaker 7: I'm cool. Pull Super Bowl r C.
Speaker 6: Say this though, and say how many times did he lose?
Speaker 7: And I'm cool with that. Like, the thing is this though.
Speaker 6: The thing is this, It's never It's never been a
Speaker 6: situation with me where I thought Derrick Henry wasn't one
Speaker 6: of the greatest that's ever done it, because I believe
Speaker 6: he is.
Speaker 9: Right.
Speaker 6: I'm on TV in a situation to where Steven A.
Speaker 6: Smith and these people are talking about being afraid of him,
Speaker 6: and my thought was, like, I'm not afraid of anybody,
Speaker 6: right that if I get the if I get an
Speaker 6: equal opportunity, which we know tackling people is not equal, right,
Speaker 6: we know blocking people is not equal. Right, Like, situations
Speaker 6: differ and all. I like, I respect der here. I
Speaker 6: think he's one of the best running backs playing the
Speaker 6: game right now. Taylor says he's the best, and that's cool.
Speaker 6: I can't disagree with that because he's.
Speaker 8: One of the greatests ever do it. Yeah, another player
Speaker 8: out here, the greatest ever do.
Speaker 6: It, that's playing now. But here's the best there, here's
Speaker 6: the best that's doing now.
Speaker 10: Will we we tackled. We tackled big bad motherfuckers our
Speaker 10: whole life. That's what we did. You know, your offense,
Speaker 10: your offense. I ain't worry about sacking nobody. We're surprised
Speaker 10: that you can question Derrick Henry like your questioning Derek Henry, Arcy,
Speaker 10: I don't even speak for it.
Speaker 3: Like, you can't question that.
Speaker 1: Man his work at Tinka Bro.
Speaker 3: But hang on, hang on, oo split he's open. You're
Speaker 3: not gonna split this.
Speaker 1: He just open.
Speaker 2: He said that, but he's all like when he's actually
Speaker 2: talking about what he's saying is when he's on TV
Speaker 2: and people are talking about being fearful of playing against that.
Speaker 1: But the thing about Derek is you're not You're not RC.
Speaker 1: But I did say that was your back in year.
Speaker 7: I'm not sure about dad.
Speaker 6: So the other thing about my back in year I
Speaker 6: had one hundred and two tackles was thirty five.
Speaker 1: Listen. I know I was at the house I was at.
Speaker 7: But I missed that one. But I missed that one.
Speaker 6: The thing that was crazy though, and Channing and Channing
Speaker 6: Crowder's thirteen years.
Speaker 1: He had been home sixteen years. Hey, hang on, if
Speaker 1: you're not tripping, you can't say stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Right, you're swinging right nod? Yeah, beat my meat full
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Speaker 8: There's a couple of things to the statement you're trying
Speaker 8: to make that are tough to follow, because when you're
Speaker 8: doing the ESPN article, the article is saying, defense is
Speaker 8: fear this guy. Now, when you're generally speaking out a defense,
Speaker 8: you're not just talking about one guy or there might
Speaker 8: you might have five guys, ten guys, eleven guys on
Speaker 8: the field.
Speaker 1: They're like, no, we're not afraid of Derek. But that
Speaker 1: also goes to the decoordinator. And when you go.
Speaker 8: Into film or are you going to practice for your
Speaker 8: notes on Wednesday? And they say, these are the guys
Speaker 8: we got to watch out for. Derick Henry for sure
Speaker 8: is fucking circled. And when fear doesn't come into lowering
Speaker 8: your pads, if fear comes into guys breakaway.
Speaker 1: Speed. Guy's got a great stiff arm guys can make.
Speaker 8: He can make guys miss in the open field if
Speaker 8: he gets into his fourth and fifth step. Watch the
Speaker 8: funk out because he's at least getting four yards. That's
Speaker 8: the fear, the general fear that defense is half so.
Speaker 1: But I think Derek is in.
Speaker 8: I don't we to say Derek is an over the top,
Speaker 8: bruising back. Is He's not like a I don't know
Speaker 8: who the Mike Alstott. He's not a Mike all Stott.
Speaker 8: What he is he's He's an opportunist. If he sees
Speaker 8: a dB on an angle, he's gonna stiff farm him,
Speaker 8: or he's just gonna run away from him.
Speaker 3: But when the.
Speaker 8: Opportunity presents itself, when the opportunity presents itself to run
Speaker 8: over somebody, he's going to do.
Speaker 7: So it's this whole it's this whole thing of that
Speaker 7: I'm hating on.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 6: I think he's a great back, and I think he
Speaker 6: uses what.
Speaker 7: He has to be exceptional. He's exceptional.
Speaker 6: This man went out in a week eight and he
Speaker 6: was in the top five and toil the end of
Speaker 6: the season. I think Derrick Henry is the best back
Speaker 6: in the league right now.
Speaker 8: Well, that's transitions as the being of this conversation, right
Speaker 8: I think, But that definitely has that's pivoted.
Speaker 3: I walked up on and you love tackles.
Speaker 10: We were talking about Jake Long on the pivot, right, bro,
Speaker 10: crazy ship when we play tackles in the league.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, like you you break down guys.
Speaker 10: And my my, uh my lineback coach was George Edwards.
Speaker 10: He was the defense coordinator for Minnesota. I don't know
Speaker 10: where he is now, but he's been in the league forever.
Speaker 10: He was at Buffalo and off George. When you walk
Speaker 10: up king George Edwards, he don't.
Speaker 3: George Edwards, right, but he was a great coach.
Speaker 10: And like if you walk up, so we play the
Speaker 10: Bill and you walk up on you know, the Bills
Speaker 10: always have sorry bitches, and the Jets when I played there,
Speaker 10: the sorry bitches like you walk on on the thing,
Speaker 10: and we had we had hands signals, so like you
Speaker 10: walk up and they you know, double edged PRESSU or whatever.
Speaker 3: So I was the wheel.
Speaker 10: So I walk up and I look up to my
Speaker 10: coach and he would tell me we'd break down, like
Speaker 10: what Russias can beat this guy. So he'd be like
Speaker 10: spin move, spin movie and he'd be like up and end.
Speaker 10: And you know what I'm saying, like you he give
Speaker 10: you little signals to be like, and we worked the
Speaker 10: ship out in the in the film room.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 10: Bro, one time we were playing the Ravens and Jonathan
Speaker 10: Ogden was there. Jonathan Ogden was I would say he's
Speaker 10: probably the best tackle I ever played.
Speaker 8: Think he's a goat, right, he's like unanimously everyone says
Speaker 8: he's one John.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 8: I think I think Trent Williams in a conversation, he's
Speaker 8: already conversation.
Speaker 1: Definitely in that conversation.
Speaker 3: Washington was that Washington?
Speaker 1: Damn.
Speaker 10: I've been retired ten years and I played. Trent's a
Speaker 10: fucking beast.
Speaker 1: The beast. Yes, was he in your ten eleven?
Speaker 10: He might have been in year ten when I playedias
Speaker 10: in year twenty four, right now forever.
Speaker 7: And I said this because I played. I played with
Speaker 7: like a lot of great players.
Speaker 6: The top three athletes I ever played with, Sean Taylor,
Speaker 6: Troy Polamalu, Trent Williams.
Speaker 3: Dress like that.
Speaker 2: Though I think I'm four and yeah, we'll got it before. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think right about Trent Williams, like they go to
Speaker 2: the y and he played like beyond the arc.
Speaker 1: He could do like Bro.
Speaker 10: Yeah, but Bro, we were playing I played Jonathan Ogen
Speaker 10: in Baltimore one time, and we did it, you know,
Speaker 10: for years. He was my coordinator for like four years.
Speaker 10: So we had our little hand signals. He you know
Speaker 10: it up and under. We had all our hand signals.
Speaker 10: So we had a check you know, if they go
Speaker 10: twelve person our with two tight ends. We were blitsing
Speaker 10: double edged pressure and they were running whatever, you know,
Speaker 10: saying eight man box. And I walked up and I
Speaker 10: looked at my coach and the motherfucker shrugged his.
Speaker 3: Shoulders and I looked back over to Georgia.
Speaker 10: I was like, and so I went, and I'll tell
Speaker 10: the full story. When I rushed, the motherfuckers talked to
Speaker 10: me the whole time.
Speaker 3: He kicked back. That's tough, Jay, Big Jonathan Ogden, So
Speaker 3: I'm rushing right, you know, And no, no, no, no, it wasn't.
Speaker 10: This is the thing because I talked ship and we
Speaker 10: got to talk about this.
Speaker 3: We ain't talk about it on the PAP.
Speaker 10: We got to talk about this because Teller, you talk ship,
Speaker 10: and I love talking ship too.
Speaker 3: If somebody be like my main ship, your daddy ain't
Speaker 3: shipping off, like I can deal with that.
Speaker 10: When when Jay, when Jo kicked back Aten kicked back.
Speaker 10: He was like, oh, young man, yep, don't get back there. Okay,
Speaker 10: he talked to me. So I got off. I got
Speaker 10: my first you know, you go one, two, three, four,
Speaker 10: and like, you know, you drop your shoulder and he
Speaker 10: kicked back so fast. He was like, Nope, you ain't
Speaker 10: gonna do that. Oh, you gotta try to spin now.
Speaker 10: Oh and then he grabbed me. And he grabbed me
Speaker 10: and I'm sitting there and I'm in the middle of
Speaker 10: a spin and he was like, oh, yep, young man,
Speaker 10: you gotta get in the weight room.
Speaker 3: That kicks me. That kicks me, he said. He said,
Speaker 3: young man, the weight room is essential. That's what you
Speaker 3: gotta do.
Speaker 1: Get in the weight room.
Speaker 3: He talked. Jay O talked to me the whole.
Speaker 1: Sname college for sure.
Speaker 8: Dude, you're gonna get a wild Michigan against any white
Speaker 8: guy ever play. If I ever play a white dude
Speaker 8: defensive lineman, it's over to me. Yeah, he's just you
Speaker 8: limited athletically, boss, like, yeah, yeah, it's gonna be that.
Speaker 1: I don't talk ship like that.
Speaker 2: Max or somebody. We were walking. It was the day
Speaker 2: of the Chargers game of Max and Uh Kyle Wilber
Speaker 2: we were walking through the hotel and they were talking
Speaker 2: about you. Trash talking, like when my boys said they
Speaker 2: tried rushing Taylor once and I know I'm butchering this
Speaker 2: last Max when he comes on.
Speaker 1: But it was essentially like, oh I thought you were
Speaker 1: so special. You're just a regular old white boy. That comment.
Speaker 1: It's over, dude, who's your boy?
Speaker 8: At the wedding, he told me a story about me
Speaker 8: just running past him at Michigan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a beauty. He was awesome.
Speaker 8: But yeah, like my ship talking because I don't like
Speaker 8: I've been told in the field, you're gonna people are
Speaker 8: gonna shoot me or this, that and the other.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get murdered. Yeah shoot me.
Speaker 8: Yeah, like like murder who get against Hey, I'm not
Speaker 8: gonna stay.
Speaker 1: Stayed the team.
Speaker 8: But this Maxonville Jaguars, Jacksonville.
Speaker 4: Jacksonville, and you were probably too young to notice, but
Speaker 4: there was a long run, maybe well over a decade
Speaker 4: and pretty close now.
Speaker 1: It was the murder capital.
Speaker 4: And I'm not celebrating this, but it was the murder
Speaker 4: the murder capital.
Speaker 1: Of the fucking world. Jacksonville.
Speaker 4: People talk, people talk about l a gang banging, No Miami,
Speaker 4: no thugs and the carjacking and the robberies and all
Speaker 4: of that.
Speaker 1: But Jacksonville was really the fucking murder capital.
Speaker 4: They call it the Bangam the bang the Bangam duvall.
Speaker 1: So what you're saying might be true. Yeah it was.
Speaker 1: It got a mighty Grandma might be outside plotting on you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: do you tell me you shoot me after the game?
Speaker 1: Something crazy? Over football? Yeah, that's different thing though. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's dysfunctionality.
Speaker 4: That's that's when you when the organization is imploding and
Speaker 4: h the future isn't bright. But they got to figure
Speaker 4: it out. They got to bring real leaders in. And
Speaker 4: I think Byron left, which who has been.
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: Yeah, no pause, I didn't play with Byron teammates, Yeah,
Speaker 4: play and play with him.
Speaker 8: We just got done talking about a little a little bit.
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I'm fucking with you will, but I know.
Speaker 3: Byron was a little bit.
Speaker 1: Recycle yourself. No pause.
Speaker 5: Man, Look I'm looking all over I'm looking all over
Speaker 5: over the bush.
Speaker 4: Right, we're talking about playing with yourself. Recycle yourself. Don't
Speaker 4: be a dick.
Speaker 2: Milk sucks, got beer, all types of It's awesome, dude,
Speaker 2: This ain't this ain't rip.
Speaker 1: No, but no, Byron. We played together. We were teammates. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I didn't think anything other play with each other.
Speaker 1: I know, but I have to play with each other.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, oh, the good friends.
Speaker 3: Freddie gives me sex toys from my wife?
Speaker 1: Does he? I heard about the rose. That's a real friend.
Speaker 1: I don't give it to him for his wife. For him.
Speaker 1: We gotta let him talk on Byron. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So so speaking, I think Byron will come in here
Speaker 4: and change the culture. He's he's a very smart guy.
Speaker 4: I think he will motive. Even though he's probably will
Speaker 4: be younger than some of the guys, he's a he's
Speaker 4: a very great motivator. And I think he's learned a
Speaker 4: lot from Bruce arians he's been, you know, ready for
Speaker 4: this position.
Speaker 1: I think he's made for it. He didn't always know that.
Speaker 4: I had to sort of reinforce his decision to go
Speaker 4: to Arizona when he was questioning whether he should be
Speaker 4: an intern or not.
Speaker 1: And you know, we had a really good conversation.
Speaker 4: He decided to go out there, and five six years
Speaker 4: later now he has an opportunity to be a head coach.
Speaker 4: So I say all that out of seeing what he
Speaker 4: did as a player, being in the same meeting rooms,
Speaker 4: seeing him being attentive, taking notes to Sensus urgency in
Speaker 4: which he demanded the huddle, sharing the huddle with him,
Speaker 4: seeing what he's done in his short time as the
Speaker 4: OC and Tampa, I think Byron will be able to
Speaker 4: have an opportunity to go out there and do some
Speaker 4: good things.
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Speaker 6: I think it's one like Will's family and me like
Speaker 6: he always will be, you know, everything that he does,
Speaker 6: like all the things that he's created. It kind of
Speaker 6: feels to me very similar to my career, right, you know,
Speaker 6: like people nobody wanted who's created things in football and
Speaker 6: outside of football that are super awesome.
Speaker 7: And like a huge reason I wanted you Tailor on.
Speaker 6: Our show was because like if Will can see some
Speaker 6: synergy with you, some energy and some chemistry, like you
Speaker 6: just got to be a dope dude. And I think
Speaker 6: like what you guys are doing. Man, Like the platform
Speaker 6: like you're providing for people to like truly express themselves.
Speaker 6: Its super dope and like on the other side of that, though,
Speaker 6: it's like where does you know? And that's my question
Speaker 6: Taylor and also Will, like both of you guys put
Speaker 6: on pads this year, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 6: you know I was the first person to do that.
Speaker 6: I was the first person to get a TV contract
Speaker 6: while playing. Remember that what I'm saying, Like, so, like,
Speaker 6: how do you guys like kind of deal with doing
Speaker 6: this whole thing and also playing ball and trying to
Speaker 6: be active in that you.
Speaker 1: Want to hit that? You want to hit that. Oh,
Speaker 1: I think we're both kind of different.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think it is different for both of us
Speaker 8: right now. For me, it's like there was definitely a
Speaker 8: lot of insecurities going into this whole thing, Like you
Speaker 8: don't know like how people are gonna perceive it, how
Speaker 8: the front office is going to perceive it, how the
Speaker 8: head coach.
Speaker 1: Luckily, Rabel was cool with it.
Speaker 8: He was one of our first guests on the podcast,
Speaker 8: kind of giving that stamp of approval, which made me.
Speaker 1: Feel a lot better.
Speaker 8: For me, what people don't realize about the NFL, especially
Speaker 8: in the off season, is I can do all the
Speaker 8: training in the world. I can train all day, every
Speaker 8: day and still do this and it shouldn't be an issue.
Speaker 1: Yeah again an hour. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: And I wish I could get to a point where
Speaker 8: I would go and do this during the season. But
Speaker 8: you guys know, and you've been away from it for
Speaker 8: a while. But the ebbs and flow of the season,
Speaker 8: wins and losses. Even if I have a good game
Speaker 8: but we lose and I go on a podcast the
Speaker 8: next day, it's like, how does that look. I can
Speaker 8: compartmentalize it and be like, hey, I'm just doing this
Speaker 8: for an hour.
Speaker 1: It could be an outlet for me.
Speaker 8: But the hardest thing is like understanding when you go
Speaker 8: on Twitter, you go on social media, and people are
Speaker 8: saying things about you from an emotional standpoint, it's really
Speaker 8: hard to separate the two and people saying things about you.
Speaker 8: But if I had looked at it and be like, Okay,
Speaker 8: these people don't know me, they don't know my work ethic, like.
Speaker 1: I am or you know who you are? Yeah?
Speaker 8: Or yeah, oh yeah, I know who I am. When
Speaker 8: I go and focus on football. Ask any of my friends,
Speaker 8: my wife, Like, I am maybe too focused on football
Speaker 8: at times, hyper focus, especially coming back from ACL No, Hey,
Speaker 8: I was, I was treading some lines there for a
Speaker 8: little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I was like there's like, yeah, you know, I think
Speaker 8: it's okay to be obsessed. But it was like it's
Speaker 8: everything I'm doing, you know what I'm saying. Like there
Speaker 8: were times I wouldn't come to pods just because like
Speaker 8: I just wanted to go. I had to go do football,
Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying. And having this is really
Speaker 8: helped like a therapy for that because I get to
Speaker 8: sit here and talk and if I have something to
Speaker 8: say about week one, like I have so many times
Speaker 8: before the opportunity to out of my own mouth without
Speaker 8: a media member asking or waiting till Wednesday when I
Speaker 8: have to go talk to the media or something like.
Speaker 1: That, and you know, it's just it's hard.
Speaker 8: But when you're in it, like when week won't happen,
Speaker 8: like that night will came over and we just were
Speaker 8: just on the couch. We didn't really talk and I
Speaker 8: kind of just kept saying, We're like, damn, that shit
Speaker 8: just happened, you know what.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, you just kept watching the film. I just
Speaker 1: kept watching the film.
Speaker 8: And the farther you get away from Like right now,
Speaker 8: I have no problem joking about that, because that's not
Speaker 8: how my season end.
Speaker 7: I mean to cut you all though.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Like I think that's the Like that was dope
Speaker 6: to me that you said, you know what, I kept
Speaker 6: watching the film. Like people don't understand how much it
Speaker 6: matters to us, right, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 6: they always like fans think that they care more about
Speaker 6: what happens on game day than we do, and like
Speaker 6: they're they're efing live bro.
Speaker 8: At the same time, we've all been with teammates that
Speaker 8: maybe don't care as much as those fans that have
Speaker 8: been around there forever.
Speaker 1: I'm not one of those.
Speaker 8: People, but we all we have all played I played Michigan.
Speaker 8: There were some guys there early in my career, the Titans.
Speaker 8: There were guys like that that are kind of just
Speaker 8: here to collect the check, you know, win, loser, draw.
Speaker 8: It's like, hey, we're still I'm still getting paid and so,
Speaker 8: but that usually weeds itself out. The passion usually weeds
Speaker 8: itself out. And so, like I said before, when you're
Speaker 8: when you have a week one experience of the I did,
Speaker 8: giving up two sacks.
Speaker 1: A shipload of hits, a shipload of pressures.
Speaker 3: It's ducks.
Speaker 8: But the farther you get away from it, it's like,
Speaker 8: like I said before, I can joke about that now,
Speaker 8: like that's not how my season ended.
Speaker 1: That wasn't my season.
Speaker 10: I see my last two other dynamic is beautiful.
Speaker 1: I'm the big brother of the crew.
Speaker 10: Yeah, but just two years I was playing for Miami
Speaker 10: and I started a Friday night show because Freddy no
Speaker 10: Friday is Ana. So I started a Friday show. And
Speaker 10: I have a radio show in South Florida right now. No,
Speaker 10: it's a seven sixty AM, but I have a I
Speaker 10: had a show, but those same stations, I did a
Speaker 10: show my fifth year and they had they had like
Speaker 10: a I had the first locker because none of my
Speaker 10: coaches wanted me to be around you guys, because I
Speaker 10: just talked shipped to people like I would make fun
Speaker 10: of everything. He's fucking vans. Look at these dirty motherfuckers.
Speaker 10: Look at your tail glass ankles. Why is your ankle
Speaker 10: so fucking ass?
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 8: Why your ankle so damn.
Speaker 4: That?
Speaker 1: Why don't you so fucking white guy shot anybody else?
Speaker 10: Veneers you have in your mouth, like your teeth are beautiful.
Speaker 10: I should get veneers, but I don't want to.
Speaker 3: These are my god given teeth. God didn't give you
Speaker 3: those teeth.
Speaker 8: That is like, that's a huge when we're happy he
Speaker 8: got them.
Speaker 1: Yeah teeth, little chick list man, looks like a blitz
Speaker 1: in there.
Speaker 9: If you had a blitz, I have engaged eight. Yeah,
Speaker 9: we got three ds in the middle in my mouth everybody.
Speaker 10: So so that that that was the whole thing about,
Speaker 10: like that concept of it, but with the what the
Speaker 10: was I talking about?
Speaker 8: Balancing the radio show and once you around there, once
Speaker 8: you around two people at once, and you talk ship
Speaker 8: all the time.
Speaker 10: Yeah, So I made Friday even I had I had
Speaker 10: the what's the ship called? When they put the mic on,
Speaker 10: you miked up. My coach is Tony Sperano and Nick
Speaker 10: Saban both told people that they can't mike you up,
Speaker 10: like they can't mike you up, like if it mike
Speaker 10: you up because I used to talk mad ship to everybody,
Speaker 10: do not mike him up because he's gonna say all
Speaker 10: the cuss words. He's gonna talk ship and go crazy.
Speaker 10: So I was in the corner of the locker room
Speaker 10: and they put me next to Paul Solely I the
Speaker 10: big noseguard because he was Samoan and he really didn't
Speaker 10: speak English that well.
Speaker 1: I love the Smollans, dude, Yeah, and some more.
Speaker 10: When them motherfuckers as strong as an ox and they
Speaker 10: don't look like strong as a fucking ox. Well, Paul
Speaker 10: Solely I didn't.
Speaker 8: So they put him right Spain or something like that.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you, I'm just helping him out. So they
Speaker 3: put they put.
Speaker 10: They put me in this corner, right, They put me
Speaker 10: in a corner and they were like, Paul Solers next
Speaker 10: to you, and the next door was the door to
Speaker 10: the locker room. So I had one guy, it was
Speaker 10: Paul Soliai and Paul was just yeah, crowded, Yeah, crowded, yeah, crowder, Yeah, crowded.
Speaker 3: All this stuff was yeah crowded.
Speaker 10: And I could ask him anything, Hey man, what could
Speaker 10: kind of return you get on your four one K
Speaker 10: last year?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Crowder yeah, crowded.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: He didn't know what the fuck I was saying.
Speaker 10: But the media used to walk in and everybody had
Speaker 10: to walk past this door. Every everybody had to walk
Speaker 10: past the door and I used to roast everybody, even
Speaker 10: the media. Look at your fucking shirt, man, what's that dashiki?
Speaker 3: Bitch?
Speaker 10: You gotta get out of there. And I used to
Speaker 10: just roast everybody that walked past the door. And the
Speaker 10: media asked me. They were like, hey, can we film
Speaker 10: you doing this? Cauld we film you just just sitting
Speaker 10: in your locker talking shit. Yeah, And it was on
Speaker 10: like Channel ten of Miami and they just played me
Speaker 10: talk like just messing around and talking trash to people.
Speaker 10: And that's when it clicked to me, when I was like,
Speaker 10: people love personality, people love crap talking. So two years
Speaker 10: left in my career, I started a Friday night show
Speaker 10: for one hour there, you know, spend Somebody offered to.
Speaker 3: Pay me five six.
Speaker 1: Radio show.
Speaker 10: Was like, come on, I'll bring your friends out whatever.
Speaker 10: And then to my last year in the league, they
Speaker 10: were like, well, could you do a Friday and a
Speaker 10: Monday night show because tuesiays your day off. And I
Speaker 10: was like, they were like yeah. It was like a
Speaker 10: thousand dollars fifty hundred dollars for an hour. And I
Speaker 10: was like that and I had good money now.
Speaker 3: You know what I had?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know you can always say a little
Speaker 1: bit more, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 10: Like, if you offer me a thousand dollars an hour
Speaker 10: right now, the motherfucking picked roses, I'm gonna do it, right,
Speaker 10: I'm like one thousand dollars an hour, so many pairs
Speaker 10: of fans, it's yeah, yeah, you're too big, the wet fun.
Speaker 1: What are you talking about, bro? I grew up with
Speaker 1: these doggies. Look at I just got him the fourteen
Speaker 1: big boy, especially mate Fort.
Speaker 8: They do stopped making all the good ones at thirteen
Speaker 8: and that pissed off, you know. But the boy ones
Speaker 8: black white, uh, blue red, the basics fourteen and up fourteen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you don't need to but those are dope. Black
Speaker 4: with the gum bottom like you got it there, Those
Speaker 4: are dope, you know.
Speaker 10: So you're telling me brol the plane, I'm laying playing.
Speaker 3: I get around Freddy tell me.
Speaker 10: So he's out, he's out, He's he's out, he's out
Speaker 10: in the club. He's out in the club. And the
Speaker 10: bitches sea big ass Taylor with these black ass ships
Speaker 10: with the gun by you.
Speaker 8: Know what the gum bottoms on you know, Oh he's tall,
Speaker 8: he probably plays sports. I'm gonna go talk to him,
Speaker 8: and I go, ladies, I'm married back to fuck up.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 11: Yea, But for that the business are looking at the shoes.
Speaker 11: They're looking at you, right. You don't need to wear
Speaker 11: these shoes.
Speaker 3: You could.
Speaker 10: You could wear Mayr rolls and crocs and some little bullshit.
Speaker 3: They're not worried about it.
Speaker 8: I'm going to brace some crocks, but to go buy something.
Speaker 3: But no.
Speaker 2: But that's what juggling and juggling your your media and
Speaker 2: the media.
Speaker 3: That's what happened.
Speaker 10: So the media, once you get into the like, once
Speaker 10: you see the media, is that people really want to
Speaker 10: like they embrace that an athlete that is especial, that
Speaker 10: something can also talk and articulate itself and kind of
Speaker 10: break down things.
Speaker 3: And now I've been in the Miami media market for now.
Speaker 10: For eleven years because of the fact that that, like
Speaker 10: I was, like, they pay people to talk.
Speaker 2: I think, I think a big pay wild talk and
Speaker 2: a big difference. A big difference with those two things
Speaker 2: too is knowing that we have busting and tailor's you know,
Speaker 2: the expectation the first round of the highest money and
Speaker 2: stuff like that. Knowing that a radio show couldn't pay
Speaker 2: him a thousand dollars and we have our own thing
Speaker 2: and media can't really mess with us or actually talk
Speaker 2: to him one on one or have him do the
Speaker 2: vocal him and his you know, silver tongue and everything
Speaker 2: else and use it. They can nitpick at being like, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, he might be too focused on bust when
Speaker 2: the boys are podcasting over playing football. He's he could
Speaker 2: be more of a judgmental aspect, whether as for you
Speaker 2: or anybody who gets paid to do these radio segments.
Speaker 2: You're part of the media, You're part of those guys.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, like, oh, you know, he's
Speaker 2: one of us. They're not gonna say nothing. But since
Speaker 2: we're kind of standing alone and kind of doing our
Speaker 2: own thing, I feel like it can it can be
Speaker 2: a little bit more of a target.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's an easy target because it always going
Speaker 4: to come down to wins and losses, right, that's all
Speaker 4: you're winning.
Speaker 1: Ain't nobody giving.
Speaker 4: A fuck about what you guys are doing, right, Nobody cares.
Speaker 4: They're actually encouraging it. They want to see that you're
Speaker 4: doing something outside of football because they don't want you
Speaker 4: to get lost in this whole mental fuck of being
Speaker 4: in the you know, in the building. You know a
Speaker 4: lot of guys they fucking go crazy, you know, and
Speaker 4: they think all these football players and the athletes, they
Speaker 4: don't have outlets, and they're mentally challenging, fucked up in
Speaker 4: the long run. So when you're winning, people encourage that, right,
Speaker 4: But when you're losing, they're they're saying, look, I focus
Speaker 4: on your fucking day.
Speaker 1: Job, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So it really depends on what day of the week
Speaker 4: it is, right, what week it is, and and the
Speaker 4: mood that they're in. But you can't base your life
Speaker 4: and what you're doing off of I think I was
Speaker 4: that perception.
Speaker 2: I would say the risk is you play yourself out
Speaker 2: were I was lucky in the second year of doing
Speaker 2: it because when I was with the States for a
Speaker 2: couple of coffee, got cut, got an injury settlement, and
Speaker 2: then went out to Oakland, we had so many episodes
Speaker 2: backlog where I wasn't putting myself out there on a
Speaker 2: weekly basis, so that helped me out. And then the
Speaker 2: following year being with Tennessee, I feel like we were
Speaker 2: lucky because we went eleven and five in the regular season,
Speaker 2: Like Fred was say, when you're in, everything's a lot better.
Speaker 2: If we would have been losing, I would have been
Speaker 2: a little more like cautious. It was COVID year, Taylor
Speaker 2: like Tory r acl. Unfortunately Taylor Tori s a cl
Speaker 2: but in the team of busting, he was able to
Speaker 2: do busting because we couldn't be on the bus at
Speaker 2: the same time.
Speaker 1: Because of COVID.
Speaker 2: So I was playing, he would do busting and then
Speaker 2: we got back on the bus together. This year, going
Speaker 2: into the Vegas I didn't really care because I know
Speaker 2: how we're dealing with busting and how we're building this
Speaker 2: thing out. So I knew like, if I play this year,
Speaker 2: I played great. If not, then it's it's all good.
Speaker 2: But I wanted to play on a team where the
Speaker 2: staff knew me and the players knew me, like either
Speaker 2: the Titans Falcus with coach Arthur Smith, Packers with Ko
Speaker 2: and Lafleur, or Vegas with Pasacia. So when I got
Speaker 2: there in Vegas, Basat's like, hey, busting with the boys.
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Speaker 2: couple in the library, but the dude, I'll probably have
Speaker 2: a couple of our guys come out, we might shoot
Speaker 2: a couple because we have sponsors that we have to
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Speaker 2: I was getting on the back half of that. It's
Speaker 2: kind of like, you know, we can we we were
Speaker 2: doing just fine with busting Tour.
Speaker 1: I would have not played. They were cool with it,
Speaker 1: but I would.
Speaker 2: Have opted to be like, you know, I can step
Speaker 2: away with busting.
Speaker 8: I think I'm gonna really good situation because if we
Speaker 8: have a really good coach, like I think I think Rabel,
Speaker 8: the way he prepares the guys, you know, he just
Speaker 8: knows ball in and out. We have this thing called
Speaker 8: Friday Tape, and he just shows all these plays throughout
Speaker 8: the week, whether it was a week ago, two weeks ago,
Speaker 8: three weeks ago, of certain situations. An example of that
Speaker 8: would be the Raiders Bengals game in the Wildcard when
Speaker 8: they had the kickoff and the guy who will return
Speaker 8: the ball, he touched the ball then sits at a
Speaker 8: bounce and he's explaining to guys, listen, if you put
Speaker 8: your foot at a bounce and then touch the ball,
Speaker 8: and now the ball's dead and that penalty applies and
Speaker 8: you're now you're not in the three yard line anymore
Speaker 8: as wild as wild that happened.
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Speaker 8: Off are When it comes to questioning Rabel, it's an
Speaker 8: easy job for me because I think every Rabel has
Speaker 8: proved himself time and time again in situational football that
Speaker 8: he knows what he's doing. So when he calls going
Speaker 8: for two over the extra point because of the penalty
Speaker 8: and we don't get it, it's just we just didn't
Speaker 8: get it. It's not because you know as a dumb
Speaker 8: call like statistically talks about that on pivot like you
Speaker 8: do you do? You do that running the ball on
Speaker 8: third and one fourth one I want us to run
Speaker 8: the ball on third and one, fourth and one.
Speaker 10: But it's funny though y'all say that, I know where
Speaker 10: you're going. You play man like that's reckless. But like,
Speaker 10: do you say that when your coach calls it? You
Speaker 10: just fucking do your job and try to go something.
Speaker 10: Now you have to always do your job. Pro bowler,
Speaker 10: pro bowler. We were pretty good, well now we.
Speaker 3: Pro bowler.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, we were both. We were both. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was a fluke. That was a fluke.
Speaker 1: Keep going, keep going.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, bro, Bro my real thought. Ryan, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: I'm just with ya.
Speaker 10: But listen, we know football, and that's what y'all said.
Speaker 10: Both of y'all said that in the last I'm just watching.
Speaker 10: You know what I'm saying. I'm listening as a player.
Speaker 10: When your coach makes a decision, we know that decision.
Speaker 10: We know, Like, Bro, what the fuck are you doing?
Speaker 10: Like from there, do y'all question it? Do you say something?
Speaker 10: Do you ever go up to your coach? I had
Speaker 10: Nick Saban and Cam Cameron and Tony Spruno. I asked
Speaker 10: some goofy, Cam Cameron, we want to fit in? He
Speaker 10: was a goofy as fuck. We couldn't go up to him.
Speaker 10: But do y'all like, as a player, if you know
Speaker 10: a decision was made and all y'all can speak on it.
Speaker 10: All y'all ballers can speak on it. Do you ever
Speaker 10: talk to your coach about it? And do you know
Speaker 10: that that was a decision that was made?
Speaker 8: Yeah, Fred, you got a word kind of of a
Speaker 8: tweet right now, so you can probably if you want
Speaker 8: to go first.
Speaker 4: I mean to answer that question. You know, it depends
Speaker 4: on again going back to what you said. Vrabel was great.
Speaker 4: It's good at so the situation. So you learn these situations,
Speaker 4: you know, you learn your coach and their philosophies and
Speaker 4: what they you know they're about and what they believe in.
Speaker 4: So based on the situation, Yeah, you want to give
Speaker 4: it a shot if the situation presents itself accordingly, and
Speaker 4: if it doesn't, then you can question the ship like
Speaker 4: anything goes right the wait wait wait, wait, wait, At
Speaker 4: the very end of it all, you know, there's a
Speaker 4: time and a place for any fucking thing. Uh, you
Speaker 4: have a job to do, regardless of what the fuck
Speaker 4: they call if they call it, you get it.
Speaker 1: It's time to go.
Speaker 4: You're not going to question it in that moment because
Speaker 4: if you're thinking, and if you hesitate, you can you
Speaker 4: ask it.
Speaker 1: No question.
Speaker 4: So no question about that, right, So you don't question it.
Speaker 1: In the moment.
Speaker 4: You can always go back in hindsight and say, fuck,
Speaker 4: that was stupid. But if you execute, what are you
Speaker 4: gonna say? Good fucking call? That's like the whole fucking
Speaker 4: Monday morning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So, I mean, even though the ship with Derrick Henry
Speaker 4: going forward, and I mean if he executed, if you
Speaker 4: guys converted, hear us, who the fuck is going to say?
Speaker 1: And it's like, what if.
Speaker 4: Nobody's gonna say, go for to no one's gonna say
Speaker 4: a thing.
Speaker 3: Y'all go to the bathroom on the bus.
Speaker 1: You're more than welcome, welcome to go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can ride, you can walk out then come
Speaker 3: back in.
Speaker 1: Okay, we have a philosophy here, do what you want.
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, I.
Speaker 10: Have a I have a medium sized tis.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Oh that's still min bro, one level higher than man.
Speaker 8: I appreciate you for putting that out there.
Speaker 6: I think that's like the dope thing about the space
Speaker 6: you know that we're in you know, in the space
Speaker 6: that you guys have created, Like I wouldn't have come
Speaker 6: on here if I thought we had to be like
Speaker 6: super buttoned.
Speaker 7: Up and yeah and all these things. Do you it hard?
Speaker 1: Though?
Speaker 6: Because you guys are current players like I don't play
Speaker 6: no more. Do you find it hard to kind of
Speaker 6: like double dutch in between those lanes?
Speaker 1: Me personally, not not as much, not anymore really when it.
Speaker 8: Comes to talk, I've kind of just instically been myself.
Speaker 8: I've tried to be the button up guy before and
Speaker 8: it just doesn't work for me.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I feel like, yeah, I just try and
Speaker 2: be the same person on the bus on social media
Speaker 2: so people understand like what they're getting at all times.
Speaker 2: The only times I feel any type of way about
Speaker 2: it is when I am playing on a team, and
Speaker 2: not more so because I think anybody doesn't like it,
Speaker 2: because guys do like the concept to bust with the
Speaker 2: boys and everything else. But you have so much fun
Speaker 2: and we're so loose that I don't want it to
Speaker 2: carry over to make to make the team think I'm looser,
Speaker 2: don't care about what's going on in football. You get
Speaker 2: around the warfare, right and once, like once I got
Speaker 2: out with the Raiders and stuff, and you know you're
Speaker 2: going in the days are long, you guys knowing all
Speaker 2: the time that all these guys put in. And it's
Speaker 2: not that I don't care about as much as these guys,
Speaker 2: but you're just you get around all these dudes, and
Speaker 2: Basashi always says that respect each other's work and stop,
Speaker 2: you know, get out of your own story, get out
Speaker 2: of your own shit, and respect what.
Speaker 1: People are doing around you.
Speaker 2: I think when you witness that stuff, you just have
Speaker 2: like a different respect of like you don't want to
Speaker 2: act a certain way all the time because you don't
Speaker 2: want guys to think that everything's.
Speaker 1: A fucking joke. It's not. You'ally gonna stay in the Raiders.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're going through a full process.
Speaker 3: Like this is my opinion.
Speaker 6: I feel like amongst all the coaches they interview, he
Speaker 6: deserves a chance.
Speaker 8: Right, you know, Like you know what Wills told me
Speaker 8: and all that players, they fucking love that.
Speaker 1: I'm sure Ryan sees all that same stuff.
Speaker 6: So my thing is this, bro, And you know, if
Speaker 6: I speak out of Turnhill, let me know, bro, Like
Speaker 6: I'm totally comfortable with that. You have a two thousand
Speaker 6: and nineteen first or two thousand and twenty first.
Speaker 7: Round pick that has a tragedy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, in Henry Rugs, you have Damon Arnette who has
Speaker 6: another situation where he's no longer a first a member
Speaker 6: of the team.
Speaker 1: You have a coach too, whether.
Speaker 6: It's through emails from back in the day or whatever
Speaker 6: it is, he sends your team into really turmoil. Right,
Speaker 6: this is a guy you expect to have for the
Speaker 6: next eight years because he's not a ten year deal
Speaker 6: and leading the division at the time, right, And so
Speaker 6: what rich Basacea was able to do and stabilize this
Speaker 6: team and get it to the playoffs, I don't feel
Speaker 6: like you can ignore that. I don't feel like that's
Speaker 6: that's something that you can say, is it important, It's
Speaker 6: something that you can say doesn't matter. And it also
Speaker 6: I always feel like it's different when it's in your building, right,
Speaker 6: Like I don't know what Taylor Luwan is truly doing
Speaker 6: in Tennessee or what Will Compton is truly doing in
Speaker 6: Las Vegas if I'm not there. But if I'm in
Speaker 6: Las Vegas and I'm and I got like a you know,
Speaker 6: and I got the dumb and dumber haircut, you know
Speaker 6: what I'm saying. And my last name's Davis, and my
Speaker 6: name is Mark the first name. You know, I have
Speaker 6: to be able to see what's going on within my
Speaker 6: own house, you know what I'm saying, Like my old
Speaker 6: lady don't get to do stuff that I don't understand,
Speaker 6: Like she doesn't because I'm gonna ask her about it.
Speaker 6: And to get this team to the playoffs, to fight
Speaker 6: the way they did the last month of the season,
Speaker 6: basically being in playoff situations, for Derek Carr to continue
Speaker 6: to engineer last minute drives, like I feel like you
Speaker 6: have to at least give Rich Pasaccia the same opportunity
Speaker 6: you give everybody.
Speaker 4: I totally agree with you that, Ryan, I believe that.
Speaker 4: I really believe that when you look at a lot
Speaker 4: of these uh, when you look at a lot of
Speaker 4: interim coaches, you know they tend to take over, you know,
Speaker 4: way long past the halfway point in the season, right,
Speaker 4: and you know when you look at it, they get
Speaker 4: an interview pretty much out of the called courtesy. But
Speaker 4: when you have you know, a coach like right, I
Speaker 4: don't want to butcher his name, Uh, you know who
Speaker 4: took over when he took over in the fact that
Speaker 4: they played really well. Uh, the chemistry stayed intact when
Speaker 4: the adversity it could have went the other way quick right, Uh,
Speaker 4: based on the.
Speaker 1: Guys in the locker room.
Speaker 4: You know, if you lose your head, man, I've got
Speaker 4: a lot of guys believed in there that that former coach.
Speaker 4: I don't really want to well, people know it's grout,
Speaker 4: I know, right, that wouldn't be politically correct.
Speaker 1: Uh, but a.
Speaker 4: Lot of guys tend to follow coaches, and the coaches
Speaker 4: inspire certain players. So if if that mix and that
Speaker 4: chemistry is tempered with, then you can lose the entire
Speaker 4: locker room. You know, like if you guys lost Mike
Speaker 4: coach Rabel, then you know, certain guys are going to
Speaker 4: feel a certain type of way. Some guys will probably yeah,
Speaker 4: that fucker, tough fucker or whatever he's done. But then
Speaker 4: you have you know, maybe majority of I'm like fuck,
Speaker 4: and then there's a certain cl out over the team.
Speaker 1: Same thing.
Speaker 4: And uh and in Las Vegas now, so even with
Speaker 4: the interim coach that stepped in, you know a lot
Speaker 4: of guys say, I like this environment, I like this chemistry,
Speaker 4: I like what we were able to do let's build
Speaker 4: on it. Give them a fucking interview. Yeah, give him
Speaker 4: an opportunity, right, But that was more more than a
Speaker 4: curcy interviews.
Speaker 7: See is basically we're gonna put you in an interview just.
Speaker 1: To say so people more than that.
Speaker 2: We've all been on teams like Ryan we were, we
Speaker 2: were on the Redskins together, and we're walking around and
Speaker 2: you kind of know what's happening when the end of
Speaker 2: the year habits. You kind of having those conversations with
Speaker 2: coaches in the exit meetings. You understand when people are
Speaker 2: c y a covering your own ass and will I'm
Speaker 2: telling you, like after we got clapped by the Chiefs
Speaker 2: because that was my first week there, and then we
Speaker 2: go on that four game.
Speaker 1: Win Street Raiders. Yeah, when I'm with the Raiders.
Speaker 2: And you kind of know whether you want you're playing
Speaker 2: for the coach or not. Like to the last I
Speaker 2: wasn't there in that playoff game. I wish I was,
Speaker 2: but I know to the last minute, to the last play,
Speaker 2: Like in the locker room, you're not only staft for
Speaker 2: yourself and that you failed in the playoffs. I'll get
Speaker 2: into that, you're upset because you wanted coach Pistacia da
Speaker 2: as much of a clear shot as possible to keep
Speaker 2: the team. That's how much dudes loved him. And uh,
Speaker 2: I was only around the Raiders for a total of
Speaker 2: those two years, like eleven different eleven games and Pisace
Speaker 2: I want to say alec Ingolds he came on the
Speaker 2: pod not too long ago, but he said it best.
Speaker 2: He not only coaches the player, but he coaches the
Speaker 2: man like he coaches hard.
Speaker 1: He's a motherfucker.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you don't know if he likes you.
Speaker 2: But you know he cares about you deeply because he
Speaker 2: has those side conversations. He hits you on the chest
Speaker 2: and he tells you whenever I hit you on the chest,
Speaker 2: I want you to know that I'm hitting you on
Speaker 2: the herd.
Speaker 1: Job Like. That's just an.
Speaker 2: Example of literally everybody who would play for this dude.
Speaker 2: It's it's hard to explain. And you know, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: get a couple of guys on here in due time
Speaker 2: to kind to talk about it a little bit more. Uh,
Speaker 2: since I only played with them eleven games, But he's
Speaker 2: just there's just something about the motherfucker where you're just like, yo,
Speaker 2: I want to win for this dude, you want to
Speaker 2: keep him around.
Speaker 4: You need those motives, need those type players, those coaches.
Speaker 4: They're more than just coaches.
Speaker 1: No, no, Ryan, will you No?
Speaker 3: Your teeth is stupid?
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 6: So this is this is this is my only busting
Speaker 6: with the boys. This is my only busting with the
Speaker 6: boy's requests. But I have a request tailor. So, So
Speaker 6: since Chandler is talking about Wolve's team, now, can I
Speaker 6: get a picture of Wilve's teeth before they got fixed?
Speaker 11: Will look at there's my fucking vampire.
Speaker 1: They were a chip because I ain't wear a mount Pieces.
Speaker 1: You wear Mount Peace. I never wore near.
Speaker 3: I got my chip when I was eleven years old.
Speaker 3: It was it was it was.
Speaker 1: Bringing to the door.
Speaker 3: Right now he can live. I was nine, I'll tell you.
Speaker 3: I went up there.
Speaker 10: His name, his name was uh Travis, And I went
Speaker 10: up and it was like a.
Speaker 3: Cool older white dude in my project.
Speaker 10: We was in the projects and he was like, hey,
Speaker 10: you want to ride these roller blades? And I was like,
Speaker 10: fuck yeah on the ride roller blades. I wore size nine.
Speaker 10: He might have been a pedophile.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sounds like it, kid.
Speaker 7: You want to write the.
Speaker 8: Funny in this holln rollerblades.
Speaker 3: Mother, why does your fan have no windows?
Speaker 1: I be happy for an hour, but.
Speaker 3: So I walked up. I walked up in a little
Speaker 3: hill and travels like, you want to ride his rollerblades.
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, it's like what side you were?
Speaker 3: I said nine? He was like why I got a
Speaker 3: size twelve? I said, I got you.
Speaker 10: I can do it, but well, Georgia has a big right,
Speaker 10: So Travis gave me a road back rolled down the hill,
Speaker 10: not even I was doing good downhill.
Speaker 3: But I know it's stopping all that.
Speaker 10: And I hit a speed bump and I went up
Speaker 10: in the air and the first thing came down was
Speaker 10: my mouth in it, and I remember feeling like the
Speaker 10: warmth of my teeth hitting the ground and going different directions.
Speaker 3: And I got up and I was like, man, I'm
Speaker 3: tore up whatever.
Speaker 10: And everybody started running because in projects like people are
Speaker 10: scared when anybody gets hurt, because everybody knows to get blamed.
Speaker 10: So Travis took his bullshit ass up the hill. Kid
Speaker 10: sitting there on the big.
Speaker 3: Asses, I'm glad. I'm glad.
Speaker 11: Fuck me, I was like, no, we're rolling blading.
Speaker 1: What's going on? I tell you? No, no.
Speaker 10: So I hit the ground and then I went upstairs
Speaker 10: and then my mom.
Speaker 3: Got hot, was like, what's what, what's wrong?
Speaker 1: I'm crying.
Speaker 11: She was like, oh, your teeth. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 11: we don't have insurance. I was like yeah, and this
Speaker 11: is what happened. So will I told that entire story.
Speaker 10: To tell Will I feel what you're with, what you
Speaker 10: went through, because.
Speaker 3: There's no way in the hell you had dinnling.
Speaker 2: Why don't you do something right now because this old lady.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you my wife is My wife is stupid.
Speaker 3: Look look, my wife's.
Speaker 1: The medium sized penis.
Speaker 3: My wife is stupid. It's not a Taylor.
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Speaker 2: and ideologies or was it simply business came into the
Speaker 2: table and you guys just didn't see it the same
Speaker 2: and you guys just had to break up that way you.
Speaker 4: A linebacker will because you you that was pretty fucking impressed.
Speaker 1: That appreciate that was that was that.
Speaker 11: Was that was sexy, right, That was that was pretty I'll.
Speaker 3: Say, first off, like.
Speaker 8: You just said, you're gonna let fred I was just
Speaker 8: make sure you might stressed off.
Speaker 10: Mare is gonna say, Getting with getting with r C
Speaker 10: was one of like he was our first option where
Speaker 10: we had to pivot, and we planned the pivot and
Speaker 10: RC is a great dude, great man, known him for
Speaker 10: years and all that. So from there, you know, it
Speaker 10: was it was a it was a transition and it
Speaker 10: was it was a fundamental and the ideology thought of
Speaker 10: what's going on. But I think Fred has a different
Speaker 10: thought or you know what I'm saying, His thought on
Speaker 10: it is different than.
Speaker 3: Mine because.
Speaker 10: I'm more I'm more of the just move forward with
Speaker 10: my homeboys type stuff, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So whatever whatever Fred.
Speaker 4: Got so really, you know, really speaking from the bottom
Speaker 4: of my heart, you know, we didn't just pick Ryan
Speaker 4: up on the side of the road. Obviously, he you know,
Speaker 4: he has a track record everything he does, you know, superseds,
Speaker 4: you know what he does, Like, he's just amazing at
Speaker 4: everything it does, ESPN, the different podcasts that he's been on,
Speaker 4: et cetera, et cetera. So for us, it was a
Speaker 4: blessing in the skies to be able to join together
Speaker 4: with Ryan, create a company, create our show and really
Speaker 4: just try and push the culture.
Speaker 7: I don't mean to cut Fred finish. I'm I'm about
Speaker 7: to stop your flower now, I'm about to stop.
Speaker 3: Though.
Speaker 6: I think the biggest thing that Fred said was created company.
Speaker 1: Right, because we created it. So I'll go back to that, right.
Speaker 4: So with that, we were able to create a company
Speaker 4: and learn from our previous failures. Because as as as
Speaker 4: as black men, right, not just black men, as men
Speaker 4: former athletes, we always push business, making sure you have
Speaker 4: your business button up. You know, we learn a lot.
Speaker 4: You come into the NFL, you come into a such
Speaker 4: young age. You got agents and all these different people
Speaker 4: doing stuff for you, and throughout those processes.
Speaker 1: You learn a little bit. You learn along the way.
Speaker 4: Some guys are more focused on football, they don't try
Speaker 4: and learn the business side of it. So that sort
Speaker 4: of it through through through being taken advantage of. I
Speaker 4: had to learn the business side of it right, whether
Speaker 4: it was by financial advisors, from an agent or whatever.
Speaker 4: So I said, I'll never let that happen again. So
Speaker 4: when we entered into it was r of twenty twenty,
Speaker 4: during the quarantine we called it Quarantine Dreams, you know,
Speaker 4: our former co host and Brandon he stopped by and say, look, guys,
Speaker 4: you mind doing the podcast?
Speaker 1: What do you think about the podcast? Fuck?
Speaker 4: We all get let's get out the house. Let's do it,
Speaker 4: let's make it, have it happened, Quarantine Dreams. We agreed
Speaker 4: to it, and the show just took off. The show
Speaker 4: went much faster than the paperwork the night overnight. The
Speaker 4: business wasn't you know, we didn't take care of the business.
Speaker 4: So from that standpoint, and really going back to our
Speaker 4: first episode in the pivot, right, we took the high road.
Speaker 1: We decided to take the high road because a.
Speaker 4: Lot of the ideal I did a lot of it,
Speaker 4: a little less ideologies, thank you.
Speaker 1: Fundamental that was my word.
Speaker 5: I know, I know, no, no, I got it, but
Speaker 5: I'm talking fast, yea, no, So a lot of those fundamentals, right,
Speaker 5: we we we had a lot of visions, you know,
Speaker 5: we talked a lot about a lot of things.
Speaker 4: And because we didn't have the business button up, you know,
Speaker 4: because Brandon made the initial investment, he took it upon
Speaker 4: himself to gain majority of the control and the ideas.
Speaker 1: And the things that came into place.
Speaker 4: Fast forward to let's just say marsh of twenty twenty one.
Speaker 4: We had a second meeting trying to iron out some things.
Speaker 4: That conversation really didn't go as we all thought. The
Speaker 4: buy in sort of was about twenty four, you know,
Speaker 4: the valuation of the company, the investment didn't look the same.
Speaker 4: It was like, but we're buddies, but the business wasn't
Speaker 4: tightened up on one end. And then the whole buddy.
Speaker 1: Conversation was pretty much thrown out the window.
Speaker 4: And from there, you know, things sorted to you know,
Speaker 4: we still serviced the show, although we didn't have any
Speaker 4: real skin in the game. We were just merely talent
Speaker 4: at that point and not really doing it for what
Speaker 4: we thought we would do it for, which was ownership.
Speaker 4: So fast forward, man, and uh, still taking the higher
Speaker 4: high road a bit, because a lot of people's livelihoods
Speaker 4: are at stake, and I don't want to talk too
Speaker 4: much about it.
Speaker 1: And that's old news now. You know. We're not competing
Speaker 1: against them.
Speaker 4: We're just trying to create content bridges, man, and give
Speaker 4: the people something to enjoy, you know, saying organically and
Speaker 4: through good conversation. I was saying a second to go,
Speaker 4: Rain is amazing. So he he helps us, He helps
Speaker 4: us a ton, and uh, you know, we we do
Speaker 4: what we do. Channing he's the he's the asshole. He's
Speaker 4: always going to be, you know, Listen, then I talked right,
Speaker 4: and always the perception is I am smarter than.
Speaker 1: What comes to because I listened, I'm not smarter than.
Speaker 3: The thing is when we developed the show, it's where
Speaker 3: you have.
Speaker 10: You have to like what That's why you called it
Speaker 10: a p it and that's why we it wasn't it
Speaker 10: wasn't a mistake.
Speaker 3: R See was it a mistake? The pivot?
Speaker 10: You know what I'm saying, Like it wasn't like we
Speaker 10: just it was overnight, like we saw, we saw what
Speaker 10: was going on, and we said we had to move
Speaker 10: in a different direction business wise.
Speaker 3: And we still love you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 10: We still we still support everything that Be's doing and
Speaker 10: wanted to be successful.
Speaker 3: But we just see like.
Speaker 10: There there's there's a goal, there's a finish line. Everything
Speaker 10: has a finished line. And I would say this about business,
Speaker 10: and I don't know what y'all got going.
Speaker 3: I don't know what y'all got doing. This bus is beautiful.
Speaker 8: Appreciate that, you know what I'm saying, Like it's a
Speaker 8: cool color.
Speaker 7: When I got to be here, it was crazy.
Speaker 3: Hey Taylor, Taylor, listen, you think I didn't tell you
Speaker 3: it's a very low investment.
Speaker 1: Fucking corkboard put in.
Speaker 3: Yeah for the sound.
Speaker 10: So I know it's a very low investment, but it's
Speaker 10: just the vision of what business was going to be.
Speaker 10: And as we continue to grow, let me know if
Speaker 10: I'm wrong, Freddy, as we continue to grow, the business
Speaker 10: concept wasn't the same. And at some point you have
Speaker 10: to just talk. And we sat down to talk and
Speaker 10: we just did it and was like, no, well, if
Speaker 10: you want to go this way, that's cool, but we
Speaker 10: don't want to go that way. We don't want to
Speaker 10: do you know, we don't want to own gyms. We
Speaker 10: don't want to we don't want to support this. We
Speaker 10: don't want to support that. We want to worry about
Speaker 10: our talent on this podcast. And that's the thing that
Speaker 10: it was just like, listen, we're gonna we're gonna do
Speaker 10: this media platform and that's what we want to do.
Speaker 3: That's all we want to do.
Speaker 10: And I would say, Brandon want to do something bigger
Speaker 10: than that, and that's fine. I didn't believe in it,
Speaker 10: you know, I didn't believe in that bigger, that bigger vision,
Speaker 10: and we just had that we weren't we weren't involved
Speaker 10: in a long game.
Speaker 8: Wanted to do off that you guys weren't involved in that. Yeah,
Speaker 8: I mean we weren't if you guys Miami. And that
Speaker 8: was the no, no, no, not not so much.
Speaker 4: It was you know, from from the start, you know,
Speaker 4: I myself expressed ownership, right and we we we really
Speaker 4: couldn't get the business button up and come to an
Speaker 4: agreement of what those percentages look like.
Speaker 1: And it keeps grown each week. See.
Speaker 4: But that's where it shouldn't be the case because because
Speaker 4: there's a filibuster, you know, happening right in front of me.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm sitting here like what the fuck?
Speaker 4: You know, my sweat is traveling alongside the growth of
Speaker 4: the podcast. So I deferred every dollar, you know, from
Speaker 4: a talent standpoint back into the company. So that travels
Speaker 4: with the company and the business and the and evaluation.
Speaker 4: But if I can't, if I can't get the same valuation,
Speaker 4: you know, uh where where the thought commenced?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: Well we all started then then then and there's a problem.
Speaker 4: So those numbers weren't valued appropriately. And I felt that
Speaker 4: that was a bit of slapping the face and and
Speaker 4: this is me just talking my own situation and U
Speaker 4: and with that one, the paperwork.
Speaker 1: Wasn't in place.
Speaker 4: We were trying to figure out that language and what
Speaker 4: that looked like. Uh not just from an equity standpoint,
Speaker 4: because what was offered was revenue sharing. That's more of
Speaker 4: a partnership. In my mind, that's not ownership. Equity is ownership.
Speaker 4: So the conversation was sort of overlapping and confusing from
Speaker 4: that side. I knew exactly what I signed up for.
Speaker 4: So when that we couldn't see eye the eye on that,
Speaker 4: I said, you know what, retroactively, you know, pay me
Speaker 4: and I'll step aside and we'll sign whatever agreements for
Speaker 4: a name, image, likeness so you can keep your content.
Speaker 4: Otherwise I can be a dick and say, you know what,
Speaker 4: we never had any paperwork in place, Let's take down
Speaker 4: all this fucking content. And then that's a bigger problem.
Speaker 4: So we want to be the bad guy.
Speaker 1: What stops you from doing that? I don't want to
Speaker 1: be a bad guy.
Speaker 4: I'm rooting for those guys, you know what, whatever direction
Speaker 4: they go in, I'm really rooting for them because we
Speaker 4: can still have It's a fucking million, fucking it's so
Speaker 4: many people in this country, so many people across the globe.
Speaker 3: Right limited subscribers on YouTube.
Speaker 4: We can we can all do great without the hate,
Speaker 4: without the bs. You know, people want the drum, drum,
Speaker 4: the drama, so we can we can talk that ship
Speaker 4: and and and and and and and have their subscribers
Speaker 4: and other ears and everything else come to the Pivot.
Speaker 4: People are in that space. People aren't loyal and they
Speaker 4: don't have to be. They just want content. They want
Speaker 4: they want to listen to some stuff, they want to
Speaker 4: see some stuff. They want to laugh, They want to
Speaker 4: feel good about themselves, just like sitting here with busting
Speaker 4: with the boys. You guys got you know, you guys
Speaker 4: got your your space and what people want to hear
Speaker 4: and see. And we can come on here and people
Speaker 4: come over and check us out. People from the Pivot
Speaker 4: come check you guys out. They like it, they love it.
Speaker 4: They're gonna stay. They want to hear and see more.
Speaker 4: If they don't, they're gonna keep pushing. But you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying that it's vice versa. I think it's
Speaker 4: enough for all of us. Want to cut hate, net growth,
Speaker 4: ROI the the overhead, like the business side of things.
Speaker 10: I think a lot of people all black, white, motherfucking
Speaker 10: purple green I don't think people really understand the business
Speaker 10: side of stuff.
Speaker 3: And that's what people need to look into. And that's
Speaker 3: what when Freddie.
Speaker 10: Was talking about like the overhead and the marketing budget
Speaker 10: and all that stuff, like, I don't know how, I
Speaker 10: don't know y'all's business structure.
Speaker 3: I don't know how y'all do it.
Speaker 10: But at some point you got to get to this
Speaker 10: is how much money we bring in is the gross,
Speaker 10: This is how much we spend, and this is how
Speaker 10: much we make, and that's the net. And simply is
Speaker 10: that like, and that's the that's the business thing that
Speaker 10: we didn't know and and we had like, that's that's business.
Speaker 3: What do you bring in, what do you spend, and
Speaker 3: what do you make?
Speaker 1: As a partner, you should be privy to.
Speaker 3: That's.
Speaker 8: Yeah, your responsibility.
Speaker 1: To know those things part of business.
Speaker 3: That's the simplest part of business.
Speaker 10: And that's the part that we you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 10: you figure out and everybody, whatever you do, if it's
Speaker 10: a podcast or whatever you do, that's what you have
Speaker 10: to know.
Speaker 3: And that's the funny thing is that?
Speaker 10: But bro, But real real quick, that's what we have
Speaker 10: a good time. That's what we mess off r C.
Speaker 10: And that's what we like grind to do, and y'all
Speaker 10: grind to do. And I'm like, I love y'all. Y'all said,
Speaker 10: y'all listen, I watched too. I watched Busting with the Boys.
Speaker 3: It's hilarious.
Speaker 2: We got to cross you know, maybe a couple of
Speaker 2: STEMI couple of times a year.
Speaker 1: I'm brand new it. We can know for sure.
Speaker 10: But even that standpoint, like when I when I when
Speaker 10: I watched successful podcast, I think about it.
Speaker 3: I'm like, how much are they making? How much are
Speaker 3: they spending and how much are they really making?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you want first And that's where you know.
Speaker 10: That's where my mind goes whenever I watched a successful thing, Like,
Speaker 10: y'all have to be honest, we didn't know it's crazy.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's flaw. We just didn't know
Speaker 4: that it was just something. It was just something fun,
Speaker 4: you know. We said, look, it was the yandemic.
Speaker 1: We said, hey, let's just do something with buddies.
Speaker 4: We all knew each other, we had some history, and uh,
Speaker 4: we signed up to do it and we just kept
Speaker 4: doing it, figuring the business was going to take care
Speaker 4: of itself. But you know, I can ensure anyone that's
Speaker 4: out there that's listening handle the business first. And that's
Speaker 4: why the Pivot is going to succeed, because one we
Speaker 4: made sure that asparently we're we're taking.
Speaker 1: Care of the business first. It's all of us.
Speaker 4: We all have the same say, all of our you know,
Speaker 4: us and our partners, whether it's uh from merch memorabilia,
Speaker 4: the marketing, the production, the pivot, you know, the whole
Speaker 4: entire busting with the boys in trouble with the pivot.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe not. We'll find out. What do you mean
Speaker 1: as far as competitors, I'm just saying that.
Speaker 3: You want to talk.
Speaker 11: I'm just saying we already got this ship buttoned up.
Speaker 1: Hey, y'all are blowing up at an incredible rate. There's
Speaker 1: no question about that.
Speaker 4: But you guys, yeah, appreciate, we hate We hope you
Speaker 4: guys do.
Speaker 1: That's low road.
Speaker 10: I'll go low road fellows. Fellows will love y'all. Y'all,
Speaker 10: y'all please love RC talk because he's back.
Speaker 1: What you got, bro, what we love Ryan?
Speaker 6: I think just being from the outside guy, right, And
Speaker 6: so when when I got the call to have an
Speaker 6: opportunity to work with Channing and Fred. It was a
Speaker 6: difficult call for me, right because the only reason I
Speaker 6: met them was because I knew Brandon first.
Speaker 1: He met me in the whole. But yeah, so good
Speaker 1: in the in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4: And oh seven, yeah, yeah, yeah Fred.
Speaker 6: At the time, I was on the sideline because I
Speaker 6: was one hundred and sixty pounds because I just lost
Speaker 6: two plus organs.
Speaker 7: I didn't play that game whenever to.
Speaker 6: So that's the first part, right, Like the the the
Speaker 6: Pittsburgh Steelers Fred remembers didn't have Troy Polamalu and Ryan Class.
Speaker 1: It was a hard conversation.
Speaker 2: It was different if you were talking your Yeah.
Speaker 6: So I used to get back to that and so
Speaker 6: like the the bigger thing is and I told them
Speaker 6: when we got together, like I feel everybody can win,
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying, Like I I I want
Speaker 6: them to continue to succeed, but I also feel like
Speaker 6: we can succeed. I think I think Channing is an
Speaker 6: absolute superstar. And I've said this on any opportunity I've
Speaker 6: ever had to say it. I think Channing is an
Speaker 6: absolute superstar. I think Fred is one of the smartest
Speaker 6: people I've ever been around, you know, And I understand
Speaker 6: that I understand my job and what we do, and
Speaker 6: so I do it. But I feel like like it
Speaker 6: gets to a point with people that somebody has to lose,
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying, And.
Speaker 7: That's what pisces me off.
Speaker 2: The piggyback on the things you were saying too. It's
Speaker 2: like we all there's like a part of us too
Speaker 2: that gets into something like this, and we're succeeding in
Speaker 2: another avenue other than football.
Speaker 1: We want to be an example.
Speaker 2: For younger athletes and younger players. And at the same time,
Speaker 2: because I feel too, I'll talk with the boys enough
Speaker 2: and it's that you get caught up comparing whether you're
Speaker 2: comparing the I am athlete a man, are they blowing
Speaker 2: up like this like blah blah blah, this and the other.
Speaker 2: And Ryan is right, like you do want to see
Speaker 2: everyone else to see because the original mission anyway is
Speaker 2: to like build a platform and do something that's athlete driven.
Speaker 1: It's where people aren't corporate over top of us.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 8: So yeah, like you said, the media world like there's
Speaker 8: not that's like if you're for an hour thirty five
Speaker 8: minutes and stead we cut it off right now, there's
Speaker 8: so many more hours in the day. Like people who
Speaker 8: listen to Bus with the Boys don't just listen to
Speaker 8: Bus with the.
Speaker 1: Boys, They listen to so many other things. Right, That's
Speaker 1: why I stuff like that with so much shit.
Speaker 8: That's why this ship is still important to have a
Speaker 8: company like Pivot and a company like Busts want the
Speaker 8: boys to come together because we have two different viewing parties, right,
Speaker 8: and now there's gonna be some crossover there with that.
Speaker 8: Now people are gonna stay here, people are gonna go
Speaker 8: to a Pivot. It's gonna be a.
Speaker 1: When all the boys get back. I think. I think
Speaker 1: it just to make it a regular for men.
Speaker 6: For me, man, you know, I woke up this morning hours,
Speaker 6: I was up early as hell, and I shut up
Speaker 6: the tweet that we was gonna get together, and it
Speaker 6: was important to me. I can be honest. I love
Speaker 6: Will Compton and I always will. We are very similar
Speaker 6: in our trajectory of careers, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: And like when you have a man in your house
Speaker 6: and he eats all your orange chicken, like you just
Speaker 6: never forget that, you know, And like the other thing
Speaker 6: is tudo, like even with Taylor, like I just admire
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying, Like I admire who you are,
Speaker 6: you know, and these two dudes here and like these
Speaker 6: two dudes here are becoming two of my closest friends,
Speaker 6: you know, like extremely fast. But I think that like
Speaker 6: it's getting to a point like with social media and all,
Speaker 6: like everything has to be ever serial.
Speaker 7: But it doesn't.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, You don't, Like I like
Speaker 6: to like to to just sit and live together. Is
Speaker 6: now It's now not okay, Like I want to live together,
Speaker 6: like I want to grow together, man, and I want
Speaker 6: to be dope together, you know, Like we have all
Speaker 6: these platforms man, that we never had before, you know
Speaker 6: what I'm saying, Like the like I had to get
Speaker 6: like I had to sign an ESPN contract while I
Speaker 6: was playing and be like this dude in Pittsburgh who
Speaker 6: people was like, oh he he's more worried about his
Speaker 6: after career, you know, than he is about like playing
Speaker 6: and be seen differently.
Speaker 7: But we ain't got to do that no more.
Speaker 6: Like Tailor Luan is one of the best left tackles
Speaker 6: in the game.
Speaker 1: Question, but he has this in podcasts and.
Speaker 6: You know, and so like like bro, like bro, you
Speaker 6: don't understand like we were going through names this week
Speaker 6: of who we wanted on the show. Hey, and you
Speaker 6: can ask them like straight up because I said I
Speaker 6: was like, I was like.
Speaker 3: I want to tellorl One.
Speaker 1: You're gonna make a two and a half hour show.
Speaker 10: That we got our producer out here saying cut because
Speaker 10: we gotta go.
Speaker 3: But they say l One, I said, yeah, I like.
Speaker 4: You.
Speaker 6: But thank y'all for having us back on the bus. Man,
Speaker 6: I know I didn't matter this time. That's how we
Speaker 6: thank your time in a week. Hey, Right to wrap.
Speaker 2: It up, I do appreciate you guys in your transparency
Speaker 2: and everything else because I feel like there's a curiosity
Speaker 2: with us too, because we have hard conversations about business stuff.
Speaker 1: All right, we get it regard regardless.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like you, I want to sit here
Speaker 2: and listen and soak it in because you guys obviously
Speaker 2: learned what you mentioned failures or the learning curve with
Speaker 2: I am ethic that you're not taking.
Speaker 1: To the pivot. So I do appreciate you guys. Take
Speaker 1: advantage do it now? You know what I'm saying. It's
Speaker 1: not too late that sh it's gonna happen.
Speaker 4: But once it's done and the ink dries, it is
Speaker 4: what it is, right, you go by that. And then
Speaker 4: when it's time to uh, you know, hopefully get bought,
Speaker 4: cash out or whatever, you guys can enjoy that, renegotiate
Speaker 4: it and do it again. But you know, enjoy that. Man,
Speaker 4: enjoy the ride. I appreciate it. I know can appreciate it. Ryan,
Speaker 4: and he's been hyped all fucking day to do it.
Speaker 4: And one last thing from me. This guy with the
Speaker 4: Woo Tank Forever hoodie. He has a beautiful mustache. Bro,
Speaker 4: you got an amazing mustache. Appreciated, fellas,