Speaker 1: The boys. Yo, it's the boy Zach the intern. It's
Speaker 1: not Will.
Speaker 2: He's taking the day off and has given me the
Speaker 2: extreme pleasure in introducing today's guests. Let me just go
Speaker 2: ahead and tell you today's guest is one of the
Speaker 2: most anticipated ones since we've started this podcast. The boy
Speaker 2: Dale Earnhardt Jr. Said down with us today and had
Speaker 2: a awesome conversation. We talked a lot about Redskins football,
Speaker 2: football in general. Then we dive deep into his plane
Speaker 2: crash they had back last year and kind of how
Speaker 2: his outlook on life has changed and how that event
Speaker 2: changed his life. Then me, being his biggest fan, I
Speaker 2: get to ask him some of the questions that I've
Speaker 2: always wanted to ask him and it's just really cool
Speaker 2: moment for me. So, without further ado, here's NASCAR's most
Speaker 2: popular driver and my personal hero, Delle Earnhardt Jr.
Speaker 3: I'm on, baby, do you this morning? Mam is pregnant,
Speaker 3: not feeling too hot and Dale, what's up?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 5: Sounds like my house?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 4: They're pregnant too.
Speaker 3: How far all stressed well? Tailings due July sixteen, So
Speaker 3: we're right around the corner right now. And this whole
Speaker 3: this whole craziness going on. I don't even know if
Speaker 3: I'll be able to do in the labor room or
Speaker 3: anything like that. What does your wife do?
Speaker 5: They're doing October.
Speaker 4: But I've.
Speaker 5: I've read a lot about some of the challenges that
Speaker 5: women they are pregnant are facing. Man, they're you know,
Speaker 5: the father's not able to be in there sometimes, and
Speaker 5: they're even not even having the same doctor they've been
Speaker 5: working with, and it's just crazy.
Speaker 4: It sucks.
Speaker 5: I can't imagine.
Speaker 3: That's go ahead.
Speaker 5: Sorry, I was just gonna say, it's just super stressful
Speaker 5: for us to imagine for the wife, it's got to
Speaker 5: be over the.
Speaker 3: Top, no doubt. It's definitely what you feel super helpless
Speaker 3: sometimes is you're not like you're just like, hey, I like,
Speaker 3: I know you don't feel good, but you haven't felt
Speaker 3: it in the wild, Like what can I What can
Speaker 3: I do? And it's like a lot of times you
Speaker 3: can't really do anything about it. And my daughter, my
Speaker 3: daughter's going through a phase or she's two and a
Speaker 3: half and she's going through a phase of like trying
Speaker 3: to figure out boundaries. Yeah, so she's trying to make
Speaker 3: her decisions all time, and for some reason, she's made
Speaker 3: a decision that she's not a fan of Dad right now,
Speaker 3: and so like we're in this tuggle war battle, like
Speaker 3: she's always wants mama right now, and Mama's like kind
Speaker 3: of doing like turn nert like nest and do her thing.
Speaker 3: So this morning I've been running up down the stairs
Speaker 3: trying to wrangler and all that. So that two and
Speaker 3: a half, she's about to be three in.
Speaker 5: July, and I got two months. She'd been two in
Speaker 5: April thirtieth.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and she's thirty right away.
Speaker 5: Yeah, she's pretty me and her pretty tight right now.
Speaker 5: I hoping that hoping that's pretty, that stays consistent.
Speaker 3: Well are you guys, Oh, go ahead, we'll say.
Speaker 6: I was gonna say, are your guys well just kidding,
Speaker 6: I was gonna ask. I was gonna ask, since you
Speaker 6: guys are both pregnant, are like the appointment you guys
Speaker 6: are having now?
Speaker 4: Like I don't know anything about that.
Speaker 6: You don't have the kind of you don't have to do,
Speaker 6: are you guys get on the phone and they kind
Speaker 6: of tell you.
Speaker 5: Hey, we can mean yeah, all the central stuff for
Speaker 5: not you know, for for every for our for our safety,
Speaker 5: for their safety, you know, they just said it's not critical,
Speaker 5: don't come in.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Our r O B G y N was basically like,
Speaker 3: if you unless it's emergency, pretty much don't don't contact
Speaker 3: me or don't come in, ye right, And so it's
Speaker 3: I mean, you know how this is too when we're like,
Speaker 3: you're pregnant. That I hate when people say you guys
Speaker 3: are right now you and I are. We we did
Speaker 3: the we did the fun part and now it's they
Speaker 3: got the hard part right. But it's one of those
Speaker 3: things that's like, you know, everything feels different and weird,
Speaker 3: and their body is growing and morphing all the time.
Speaker 3: It's just like can't feel comfortable. And if it was
Speaker 3: if it was us, like men had to get pregnant,
Speaker 3: we we go. You couldn't even talk to me if
Speaker 3: I get sick, it's game, he can't and you can't
Speaker 3: talk to me at all about nothing.
Speaker 5: So I will say selfishly, right when this all went
Speaker 5: down and they tell us that our visits were all canceled,
Speaker 5: we were two weeks from going to get blood tests
Speaker 5: to make sure everything's okay, plus find out sex, and
Speaker 5: we haven't done that. So that's been driving me crazy
Speaker 5: because we wanted to find out. We wanted to know.
Speaker 5: It's freaking me out. I want to know, you know, more.
Speaker 3: Than more than anything of like finding out the sex.
Speaker 3: It's like that blood test. If you know everything's kind
Speaker 3: of progressing our way, that's a big load off your
Speaker 3: shoulders for sure. Just I was big on wanting a
Speaker 3: little a little boy, because I don't know, you know
Speaker 3: you yere, I had a brother. You know, you just
Speaker 3: use you as.
Speaker 5: You know your dude.
Speaker 4: You want a little you.
Speaker 3: I know, I want to you stereotically, just want to
Speaker 3: throw the ball around with my buddy, not saying can't.
Speaker 3: Any person that watches this podcast, I know when't get
Speaker 3: bill balls too, Like I dated a softball player in college,
Speaker 3: but like, uh, I don't know, man, Like it was
Speaker 3: just it was something I really wanted. And then, you know,
Speaker 3: one day I was like totally cool that. I was like,
Speaker 3: you know what, actually I'd be totally fine with another girl.
Speaker 3: And then we found out the sex. We weren't to
Speaker 3: find it out, and I'm having another girl. So I'm
Speaker 3: also that I'm like Kobe out here, man, Yeah, pretty.
Speaker 5: I'll be okay with another girl too, I am. I was, Yeah,
Speaker 5: I was so much fun and Amy's amazing, So just
Speaker 5: having more versions of them on the on the property
Speaker 5: to be awesome, no doubt, I really, you know either way,
Speaker 5: I don't have any feelings about it yet. I'm sure uh,
Speaker 5: once we find out, and if it is a boy,
Speaker 5: I'll have all these thoughts and things that I never
Speaker 5: even expected.
Speaker 4: So if if you do, will be the third No.
Speaker 5: No, no, no no. We already have a name now. We
Speaker 5: got a name. The name Yeah, So we had a
Speaker 5: name for a boy before I was born a couple
Speaker 5: of years ago, and it's such a cool name. And
Speaker 5: I was like, well, if we have a boy any
Speaker 5: other you know, that's the name. So I like it.
Speaker 5: I will keep it a secret. But girl names are tough,
Speaker 5: man be couldn't The girl name took forever to figure
Speaker 5: out girl.
Speaker 3: The girl name was it are and came a lot
Speaker 3: easier than the boy names because I don't know. I
Speaker 3: got a buddy who's got the coolest name for a son.
Speaker 3: You can steal it if you want because you don't
Speaker 3: know him, but I can't steal it, and I want
Speaker 3: it real bad. His name was Stetson, and I thought,
Speaker 3: I was like, that name is badass man. That is
Speaker 3: a great that's it's awesome. Yeah, if we were gonna
Speaker 3: have a boy, I want to name it Whalen and
Speaker 3: then yeah after whaling Jennings. Yes that yeah, dude, that's that.
Speaker 3: I think those old country names are awesome. They're strong,
Speaker 3: they're powerful. They set the tone. Yeah, you're setting you're
Speaker 3: sitting in the tone with that background. Man, you got
Speaker 3: the help basically one step above the leather helmet on
Speaker 3: the redskins right there, and then you know who's held it's.
Speaker 5: Nineteen eighty five day. But oh really check this. So
Speaker 5: are we recording to podcasting?
Speaker 6: Oh, you're bustling with the boys.
Speaker 4: That's well.
Speaker 5: I don't want to run them run. I want to
Speaker 5: save it for the podcast. But I went to I
Speaker 5: had an appearance for a racetrack. So Talladego Mo Speedway
Speaker 5: sent me over to the College Football Hall of Fame
Speaker 5: and so I went over to that building, huge building.
Speaker 5: I'm sure you guys have been there, and I collicked
Speaker 5: helmets and I have probably I don't know about eighty
Speaker 5: to one hundred helmets different college teams and probably about
Speaker 5: a third of the NFL. And I was at this
Speaker 5: appearance walking around in this college Football Hall of Fame,
Speaker 5: really cool place, and they got this huge rack of
Speaker 5: helmets on the wall, and they surprised me with having
Speaker 5: Dave Butts come in and he I knew it immediately
Speaker 5: when I saw him. And he comes walking up and
Speaker 5: he's got this helmet in his hand and I look
Speaker 5: at it and I'm like, I wonder, why the hell
Speaker 5: is he carrying a helmet around and it's beat the
Speaker 5: hell and I was like, that's a real helmet. And
Speaker 5: he walks up to me and he handed it to me.
Speaker 5: He's like, here, once you have this, and I was like, oh, man,
Speaker 5: you got kids. Certainly your boys or somebody in your
Speaker 5: family wants this. And he's like, ah, they don't. They
Speaker 5: probably won't appreciate as much as you. I said, well,
Speaker 5: listen here, I'm gonna keep this saying and if you
Speaker 5: ever wanted you telling boys there, you know, they can
Speaker 5: have it right back. I'll get right back to them,
Speaker 5: but I'll be the keeper for a while. So, uh,
Speaker 5: I don't have a lot of game warn or game
Speaker 5: use stuff, particularly from you know, the eighties or seventies,
Speaker 5: some of that historical stuff. So Dave was a great
Speaker 5: lineman for the Redskins on the Hogs. Hogs offensive line
Speaker 5: is what they called it. And yeah, yeah, so I
Speaker 5: was a big I was really appreciative that he did
Speaker 5: that and got some Elvis Presley stuff over my shoulder.
Speaker 5: My mama was a huge Elvis fan, and I was
Speaker 5: a little boy. She would keep me on the weekends.
Speaker 5: Dad would go racing and I'd stay at mama's house
Speaker 5: and she had Elvis playing all the time in her
Speaker 5: house all the time, just twenty four to seven Elvis
Speaker 5: singing long. So I know, being an Elvis fan over
Speaker 5: that what made Yeah. Well, so when I was little,
Speaker 5: I guess around nineteen eighty two. The first game I
Speaker 5: really remember watching was the Redskins against the Miami Dolphins
Speaker 5: and Super Bowl. And my mom and dad divorced in
Speaker 5: seventy eight and she moved to Norfolk, Virginia, Chesapeake Bay.
Speaker 5: Nothing but Redskins fans up there. So when I go
Speaker 5: visit her, everything was Redskins. If you went into the store,
Speaker 5: all the sports stuff was Redskins decals, whatever. In the
Speaker 5: convenience store, everything was Redskins logos, and so she would
Speaker 5: buy me helmets and uniforms. I still have, like these
Speaker 5: jerseys and these old tiny little helmets with the plastic
Speaker 5: guard on them from when I was like twelve years
Speaker 5: old getting these guests for Christmas. And we didn't have
Speaker 5: a team in Charlotte, we didn't have a team in
Speaker 5: North Carolina. It was basically we had a lot of
Speaker 5: in North Carolina back then in the eighties.
Speaker 4: We had a lot of.
Speaker 5: Falcons fans, Redskins fans, and there were Cowboys fans all
Speaker 5: across the country, and so it was kind of mixed bag.
Speaker 5: But when the Panthers came at that point, I was
Speaker 5: so invested. We'd won Super Bowls, Joe Gibbs, all that
Speaker 5: good stuff was happening, and I just couldn't change, man.
Speaker 5: And I'm still as die hard today, I guess as
Speaker 5: I was any point, even after everything we've been through
Speaker 5: over the last couple of decades been real hard. But
Speaker 5: when you're in, you're in.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 5: I can't imagine undoing all that investment, emotional, personal investment,
Speaker 5: and trying to pour it back into something else I
Speaker 5: really want. You know, people always ask me about the
Speaker 5: Panthers and whether I pull for them, and I do,
Speaker 5: and because the you know, a successful sports team in Charlotte.
Speaker 5: I live thirty minutes from downtown, and a successful sports
Speaker 5: team in that area, man is great for everybody, great
Speaker 5: for business, great for everything, And so I want them
Speaker 5: to win a lot. If Sins can't win, I want
Speaker 5: the Panthers to win, it'll.
Speaker 3: Be the Titans. So you can't can't be mad about that.
Speaker 3: I was actually very upset.
Speaker 5: M Yeah, we we we It's been frustrating, but you know,
Speaker 5: we got a new coach. Ron's coming in. You know,
Speaker 5: I always say that every off seasons a reason for
Speaker 5: new hope, right, And when you're a Redskins fan or
Speaker 5: or a fan of a team that's been notoriously kind
Speaker 5: of struggling to put it together, every year is like
Speaker 5: a time to wipe the slate clean emotionally and personally
Speaker 5: and and and start new. And I love to. I
Speaker 5: mean every day I'm checking my phone for any piece
Speaker 5: of news. I can't get enough. I can't soak up
Speaker 5: enough information, just opinion articles, whatever it is about who
Speaker 5: we're what we're going to do in the draft, or
Speaker 5: how things are going with training camp, what the positional
Speaker 5: battles are and all that stuff. So year round, you're
Speaker 5: you're a fan, right, and trying to find positivity and
Speaker 5: and and hope and anything you're reading about the team
Speaker 5: and the changes they're making.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 5: Jay Gruden was a great coach, a lot of fun.
Speaker 5: I enjoyed him as our coach. But yeah, I mean,
Speaker 5: after a certain period of time, when you're sort of
Speaker 5: having the same results, maybe it's time to for everybody
Speaker 5: to do something different. And so I feel like, if anything,
Speaker 5: maybe he was just as relieved as we were to
Speaker 5: be making a change to try something else. And Ron
Speaker 5: seems to be so respected by the people that he coaches,
Speaker 5: and uh, kind of a tough, defensive guy. You know,
Speaker 5: we need somebody to come into the organization, and all
Speaker 5: organizations needed. I believe in ruling with iron fist. You know,
Speaker 5: when we talk about NASCAR and rules and rule breakers
Speaker 5: and cheaters. You know, nothing wrong with cheating, getting creative,
Speaker 5: but if you get caught, I want you busted hard.
Speaker 5: I mean I want you, I want I want the
Speaker 5: sport to come down on you hard man, you know,
Speaker 5: and set an example. It's more about the perception, you know,
Speaker 5: putting that perception out there that we run this show,
Speaker 5: you know, and.
Speaker 4: You can see you can say shit on here.
Speaker 5: Bro Yeah, that's what we need. Run this ship man,
Speaker 5: So we need our coach to be tough, and he's tough.
Speaker 5: Run I don't think takes any ship off anybody. So
Speaker 5: we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 3: You followed all the all the draft stuff right now.
Speaker 3: Obviously us picked number two. You're seeing Chase Young, You're
Speaker 3: seeing Chase Young everywhere? Yeah, were you excited about that?
Speaker 5: You know? I am? You know, and uh, you know
Speaker 5: we picked We've picked it too before and uh with
Speaker 5: with Robert Griffin and and uh all that was, uh,
Speaker 5: you know, going so well that first year things were awesome,
Speaker 5: team looked amazing and and and then things kind of
Speaker 5: went south. But you know, so we've been here before.
Speaker 5: We've we've we've been at number two before with opportunity
Speaker 5: and and and uh, I think all the Redskins fans
Speaker 5: out there are kind of tempering their expectations. Of course.
Speaker 5: I think if we draft Chase we're gonna be happy.
Speaker 5: We'll just see how kind of what kind of player
Speaker 5: he becomes in the NFL. The rumors about maybe you know,
Speaker 5: the Interesting Tour or anybody else for that matter, obviously
Speaker 5: sound and look like smoking mirrors. But you know, and
Speaker 5: I like our quarterback that we have now. But I
Speaker 5: think toa is, you know, if he's healthy, if the
Speaker 5: hip is good, and if he can go out there,
Speaker 5: I think he you know, he's gonna be a great quarterback.
Speaker 5: And so you can't pass on great quarterbacks, right, you
Speaker 5: can't give up the opportunity to draft a great quarterback.
Speaker 5: And so I don't know if I have a problem
Speaker 5: with whatever they do. If they trade back, I'm open
Speaker 5: to it. I feel like we got all new guys
Speaker 5: in there running the ship. You got the front office changed,
Speaker 5: you got the coaching staff change. So I think I
Speaker 5: I think if we had the same people in the
Speaker 5: same positions as we did last year and the years
Speaker 5: before and they traded back, I'd be disappointed. But now
Speaker 5: I'm kind of like, hey, maybe these guys know what
Speaker 5: they're doing.
Speaker 3: Well. There's a lot of depth in the draft too,
Speaker 3: especially like receivers super heavy in the draft. Off of
Speaker 3: the tackle super heavy in the draft. Because I'm like,
Speaker 3: obviously playing in the NFL is one thing, but like
Speaker 3: once you have your team and you kind of like
Speaker 3: you've been playing on it for a little bit, you
Speaker 3: always like that the free agency in the draft, like
Speaker 3: it's it's it is an exciting time of the year.
Speaker 3: It's like a new transition. Like you said, it's like
Speaker 3: new hopes or like for me, I'm looking at all
Speaker 3: these boards and seeing what what the drafts strong and
Speaker 3: all that, And I've seen a couple of things saying
Speaker 3: that Chase Young might go one. Overall, he's that, he's
Speaker 3: that talented all that. So if Chase goes one, were
Speaker 3: you thinking Joe Burrow? Are thinking tua?
Speaker 4: If you had I mean that's true, you're saying tua.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're saying you saying a lot of tua. But
Speaker 3: there's that chance you only want.
Speaker 5: To pick away from Burrow, right, I think you would
Speaker 5: take him? You know which one?
Speaker 4: Which one you take?
Speaker 3: Joe?
Speaker 5: Yeah, because of the health strictly, because you know the
Speaker 5: health concerns with two of there's just so many questions
Speaker 5: marks Unfortunately, you know, consider you know how everybody's locked down.
Speaker 5: Nobody can see anybody. We can't really you know, nobody
Speaker 5: can move around because of the virus stuff that we're
Speaker 5: you know, coaches and evaluators aren't able to really get
Speaker 5: their eyes on these players and sit down and spend
Speaker 5: time with them. That's that's hurting I think to at
Speaker 5: this particular point because he once prove to everybody that
Speaker 5: he's helped him ready to rock. But Joe, I like
Speaker 5: Joe a lot. But what do you guys think about
Speaker 5: his personality? So you know, he's he's a brash guy,
Speaker 5: ain't afraid to lay it out there, be himself. How
Speaker 5: do you feel that guy that that's awesome in college
Speaker 5: in a in a college atmosphere. How do you think
Speaker 5: that transitions over to the NFL if you're drafting, if
Speaker 5: you're a personnel guy, or you're a coach and you're
Speaker 5: drafting him, do you just let the guy run and
Speaker 5: do his thing? Do you kind of rain him in
Speaker 5: a little bit, tell him how to maybe add a
Speaker 5: little professionalism, a little polished to what he's doing.
Speaker 3: Well, you got to take this one. I'll go after you.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 6: Are you saying it from a way that he's like
Speaker 6: edgy out there outside of play?
Speaker 5: Yeah, kind of like a gamic man kind of guy.
Speaker 5: You know, he kind of reminds me of that in
Speaker 5: his personality a little bit.
Speaker 6: Yeah. I mean, in my opinion, I don't think you
Speaker 6: should ever, you shouldn't micro manage him. So you got
Speaker 6: to let him himself and let him lead with his
Speaker 6: personality and stuff. But if there's some things that you
Speaker 6: have questions about off the field, like yeah, you just
Speaker 6: have some guys around him, or you just mentor him
Speaker 6: along the way, but you gotta let him be himself
Speaker 6: because you want to be as comfortables possible the moment
Speaker 6: he steps in the door, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: And then say he stepped into the Tips facility like Taylor,
Speaker 6: like all the boys and the leaders and stuff would
Speaker 6: be around him that he would be himself.
Speaker 4: But I know Raves and those guys everybody would kind
Speaker 4: of ads some that.
Speaker 6: Professionalism that you're talking about, But you definitely don't want
Speaker 6: to try and change to him because that kind of
Speaker 6: makes him who he is.
Speaker 4: He kind of has that swag about himself, that confidence
Speaker 4: that he plays with. But that would be That's what
Speaker 4: I would do if I was a coach.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: For there's a lot of the times like being professional
Speaker 3: is a good thing. I myself, Dale, I am not
Speaker 3: a professional person professional approach right in a lot of ways.
Speaker 3: But I do think like being you is what got
Speaker 3: you into the position you were. They're just like you
Speaker 3: for racing just like me for football, well for football,
Speaker 3: like those are those are things that like being ours,
Speaker 3: like you got yourself And just for me, speaking from
Speaker 3: personal experience, when I was at Michigan my senior year.
Speaker 3: When I was at Michigan, they told me, hey, you
Speaker 3: need to be literally use the words of vanilla. You
Speaker 3: have to be mister like all American, clean cut, like
Speaker 3: you know, business guy the whole time. And I was
Speaker 3: I was drinking the kool aid like no one's business.
Speaker 3: I was drunk on Michigan. So I was like, absolutely,
Speaker 3: I'm one hundred percent in it. And so I did it,
Speaker 3: and really along the way, like lost myself. I really
Speaker 3: wasn't like the same person. If anything, my ego got bigger.
Speaker 3: I thought I was better than I was. I thought
Speaker 3: I was bigger than I was my last year, and
Speaker 3: it kind of ruined that senior year for me that
Speaker 3: could have been way more special than it actually was.
Speaker 3: And then I come to the Titans and the kind
Speaker 3: of similar thing happened to me my second year. I
Speaker 3: was stolen into a leadership role right away, and they
Speaker 3: were telling me how to act and be myself, and
Speaker 3: my career was someone on the rocks. They were talking
Speaker 3: about replacing me in the draft with Lanry Tunsel, which
Speaker 3: they've got he's got extraordinary lungs and had that video
Speaker 3: go on the draft because all worked out for me
Speaker 3: in that way. But I mean after that, after that,
Speaker 3: my second year, I realized, like, you you got to
Speaker 3: be yourself and people can tigure to leave it. But
Speaker 3: if you're a hundred percent yourself, you cannot be mad
Speaker 3: with the result that you get. You know, and there's
Speaker 3: but there's a level like you can't just be off
Speaker 3: the rail. You can't be Joe exotic. I don't know
Speaker 3: if you've watched that documentary that things why you can't.
Speaker 3: You can't be Joe exotic, but you can. You can
Speaker 3: have your flair, you can have your things that make
Speaker 3: you you, and then still be a team player, be
Speaker 3: the guy that can come in and because I kind
Speaker 3: of like a quarterback that's like, for lack of a
Speaker 3: better word, doesn't give a shit, like I'm gonna sling
Speaker 3: this thing, I'm gonna throw in there. Brett Farbas that way.
Speaker 3: Jake Cutler, you know you always picture him with a
Speaker 3: cigarette hanging out of his nuse. He doesn't give a shit.
Speaker 3: And uh, one of my friends. I used to be
Speaker 3: super close with Zach Mettenberger. He was the same way
Speaker 3: he came in. We were playing the Patriots. Marcus Mariota
Speaker 3: got hurt. We were playing the Patriots, like week eleven
Speaker 3: my second year or two and fourteen was three and
Speaker 3: thirteen year. We actually got better than the year before,
Speaker 3: and we're gonna pick at one, but we were playing
Speaker 3: the Patriots. Get absolutely donkey, not even a chance, and
Speaker 3: Marcus gets hurt, just salting the wound, and I'm kind
Speaker 3: of like leaning down in the huddle, and someone comes
Speaker 3: in and I started, I'm starting the smell, and I started,
Speaker 3: I start smelling like Skull winter Green or like Copenhagen
Speaker 3: the winter Green. I'm like, I know that, I know
Speaker 3: that smell. And I look up and I'm not joking.
Speaker 3: Zach had the same face mask as the one behind you.
Speaker 3: He had the bar down the middle, he had the
Speaker 3: one strap across the top, and he had a fat lip.
Speaker 3: I swear to god it was that far outside of
Speaker 3: his lips. And first play throws to Delaney Walker. Delaney
Speaker 3: is running across the middle, stiff arm's a guy hurdles
Speaker 3: a guy like just absolutely barrowing through the entire Patriots
Speaker 3: defense and scored. Still lost by twenty one points, but
Speaker 3: damn it, I will remember that forever. It was one
Speaker 3: of the coolest ding things I've ever seen in my
Speaker 3: entire life. And he just did He just didn't give
Speaker 3: a shit. I mean, obviously his career is not where
Speaker 3: he wants it to be in all that, but like,
Speaker 3: at the same time, you gotta love the situations like that,
Speaker 3: guys in the locker room going to like, man, you
Speaker 3: see that, that's pretty cool, and he you know, and
Speaker 3: and you kind of respect those types of things. You
Speaker 3: still got to perform and do all that stuff. But
Speaker 3: Joe's got I think he has the talent. I'm not
Speaker 3: a quarterback guru.
Speaker 4: I don't know about Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well what would you if you're if you're the
Speaker 6: head coach, what would you want to do?
Speaker 5: Now, well, there's you know, as a broadcaster in in
Speaker 5: in racing, I love our guys to be, you know,
Speaker 5: really colorful and and we got to have the villains,
Speaker 5: we got to have the heroes, We got to have
Speaker 5: all the players and all the personalities in the in
Speaker 5: the I guess controversial guys even kind of have a
Speaker 5: place to bring awareness and interest to our sports get
Speaker 5: people watch. So I kind of want that, and I
Speaker 5: like players that are that way. I certainly wasn't, you know,
Speaker 5: a fan of vanilla players throughout the Riskins histories. I
Speaker 5: like John Riggins. I liked him because of the way
Speaker 5: he was as a person and how he he didn't
Speaker 5: give a damn either when he was you know, you know,
Speaker 5: when he was playing. He kind of did his own thing.
Speaker 5: But I also like guys like Daryl Green and Arn't
Speaker 5: Monk that were role models and and just workming like
Speaker 5: and you can depend on them. Art was Art was
Speaker 5: going to run the pattern, he was going to catch
Speaker 5: the ball, He's gonna get a first down. And yeah,
Speaker 5: Ryan Carriden is another great guy. Uh that that's a
Speaker 5: great role model. But I like the bad guys too.
Speaker 5: I like the guys that that are that are mouthy.
Speaker 5: Dexter Manley was one of my favorite players. He was
Speaker 5: pretty rough around the edges, and so as a coach,
Speaker 5: I think, you know, you definitely want your guy to
Speaker 5: have some personality and bring some you know, bring some
Speaker 5: color to the locker room. I imagine, just as long
Speaker 5: as you're succeeding on the field, studying and doing all
Speaker 5: the job, doing your job right, doing your job and
Speaker 5: working hard and understanding everything that that is required your position.
Speaker 5: I suppose that you can be whoever you want. And
Speaker 5: I think that's why people I mentioned Jimmy Mann. I
Speaker 5: think that's why he worked his deal work. He was
Speaker 5: out there. He was colorful, but he won, you know,
Speaker 5: and he and he played well and he was tough.
Speaker 5: You know, he could, he could, he he could play
Speaker 5: in some pretty difficult situations.
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Speaker 4: Dude, you're a huge football fan. This is like an
Speaker 4: entire football podcast right now.
Speaker 3: That's what it's kind of what it's become. Our podcast
Speaker 3: is low key football.
Speaker 6: Well.
Speaker 4: I knew he was.
Speaker 6: I knew he was a Skins fan, but I ain't
Speaker 6: know like the depths right here.
Speaker 5: Dude, you're you're a sport I've just been throughout the years.
Speaker 3: I had Russ Grim as my offensive line coach.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 3: Really he was a Yeah, it was like two years ago.
Speaker 3: That guy kept he had a refrigerator in his office
Speaker 3: and he had it was full of bud light at
Speaker 3: all times and the only time. Dude, he is He
Speaker 3: was like the most legendary like guy you would run
Speaker 3: through a wall four and some of his stories, I mean,
Speaker 3: I can't tell really any of them on a podcast,
Speaker 3: but he was. He was an unbelievable guy. He like
Speaker 3: fifteen fifteen office line was statistically the one of the
Speaker 3: worst in the entire league. And then Mike Malarkey brought
Speaker 3: in Russ Grim pretty much the same guys like literally
Speaker 3: no one different. I think we drafted Jack Conflin in
Speaker 3: the first round that year, eight overall, and statist turned
Speaker 3: into the number one off offutilne in the league. And
Speaker 3: Russ does not teach technique. He does not teach like
Speaker 3: you know, stepping over a bag and waddling up to
Speaker 3: a linebacker. What he teaches is camaraderie with the boys.
Speaker 3: Like he teaches you to be like you are playing
Speaker 3: next to you, find out what you played for visually,
Speaker 3: and then play for these guys and you're good. And
Speaker 3: I've never been a part of a title whole line
Speaker 3: in maybe twenty sixteen, that whole entire group was just
Speaker 3: like always together, bandon brothers mentality, like got down and
Speaker 3: dirty and I and then pretty much all that had
Speaker 3: to do with Russ. So I can't imagine him back
Speaker 3: in the day being a hog. All those guys out
Speaker 3: there just killing people. I think they're like a turnover
Speaker 3: margin plus like five, like it was, it was an
Speaker 3: absolutely ridiculous number like that Will like the turnover margin
Speaker 3: was insane.
Speaker 6: Liked he send you, didn't he send you a photo
Speaker 6: of like is don he have like a fake limb or.
Speaker 4: Something like that?
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, he ended up losing his leg. He cut
Speaker 3: his he cut his foot, uh in the middle of
Speaker 3: the year, and he never took care of it ever,
Speaker 3: not once. Actually, like they literal would tell him, hey, Russ,
Speaker 3: you gotta walk on this treadmill. He'd be like, well,
Speaker 3: you know, I walked from here to my car and bag.
Speaker 3: That's enough walking for me. And he just he was
Speaker 3: this old school guy man couldn't tell him nothing and
Speaker 3: ended up having some medical stuff going on when we
Speaker 3: were playing the Patriots in divisional round where he couldn't
Speaker 3: really stand up or anything and ended up losing his
Speaker 3: right leg. But I called him up and true Russ
Speaker 3: Grim fashion, I'm like, hey, man, like, how you doing.
Speaker 3: You are right? He's like, yeah, you know, it's all
Speaker 3: good socks or buy one, get one free. Now I
Speaker 3: only have to pay did not literally not a care
Speaker 3: in the world. Sent me a picture. He's he's out
Speaker 3: at the pool, got his lego bandaged up with some
Speaker 3: girl picking up like, you know, picking up a drink
Speaker 3: for him and turned butts out there. He's just like
Speaker 3: the double thumbs up, you know. And he's just the
Speaker 3: man just lives his best life. He is the way
Speaker 3: I don't know, like if you had all the money
Speaker 3: in the world and didn't care and it was just like,
Speaker 3: whatever's gonna happen happened. Then he is. He is an
Speaker 3: all time guy. I can't say enough good things about Russ.
Speaker 3: He made me a fan of the Hawks.
Speaker 5: Him and Clinton Diddier came out to the race in
Speaker 5: the mid nineties and I got a picture of me
Speaker 5: and them two standing in my dad's race and holler,
Speaker 5: that's awesome. Yeah, as soon as you mentioned the name man,
Speaker 5: that picture comes to my mind. And I remember the
Speaker 5: first time I saw you know, Joe Gibbs became an
Speaker 5: owner in our sport, uh and has become extremely successful
Speaker 5: championship owner. And I knew that he had owned drag
Speaker 5: racing cars and been in motorsports before, and when the
Speaker 5: word came that he was going to own a race
Speaker 5: team in our sport, you know, I got really excited.
Speaker 5: And I remember the first time I saw him at
Speaker 5: a racetrack, and uh, I was screaming at him and
Speaker 5: hollering at him like like a huge fan, but uh,
Speaker 5: which I was, But I you know, I just couldn't.
Speaker 5: I was seeing him in person. It was like seeing
Speaker 5: you know, your favorite celebrity walking around and there's Joe
Speaker 5: Gibbs walking it, walking around at Atlanta Motor Speedway is
Speaker 5: after the race, and he's walking down through the pits.
Speaker 5: Everybody's kind of cleaning up, picking stuff up and getting
Speaker 5: out of there and getting ready to go home. And
Speaker 5: there he is. And I was like, Joe Gibbs, Joe Gibbs,
Speaker 5: I couldn't Yeah, And now.
Speaker 3: I flipped out, man, fan boydal.
Speaker 6: Were you that way when I came to the racetrack
Speaker 6: and road with you?
Speaker 5: It will will man, It's it's been crazy and ever
Speaker 5: ever since.
Speaker 6: Question, it's different now like Gibbs, Yeah, like back then,
Speaker 6: I never even met a player.
Speaker 5: You know, I've never even met a player. I've been
Speaker 5: watching them guys on TV on the whole life, and
Speaker 5: I mean, to meet a player would be insane. And uh,
Speaker 5: here's the coach, the guy that leads them. And ever since,
Speaker 5: you know, since then, I've been able to to be
Speaker 5: around the organization a little bit and spend more time
Speaker 5: and getting to know some of the guys. I mean,
Speaker 5: I'll tell you one thing, man, I don't this is
Speaker 5: I don't mind, I don't care. It's embarrassing, but who cares.
Speaker 4: I was the Angelo Hall so oh, d Hall.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was at a game. I don't even know.
Speaker 5: I can't remember what game it was. But I was
Speaker 5: walking down the hall and the d Backs are all
Speaker 5: huddled up doing their thing, right, you know, twenty feet
Speaker 5: from the field, getting ready to go out for the game.
Speaker 5: And I know I can imagine, like what that moment's like. Uh,
Speaker 5: you know, those guys are tuning into each other, They're
Speaker 5: getting in their zone. There ain't nothing going on as
Speaker 5: far as they know outside that bubble. And I come
Speaker 5: walking by and d Angelo Hall looks and goes, what's up, Junior?
Speaker 5: And I was like, I can go home now. This
Speaker 5: is gonna getting better. I don't care if they went
Speaker 5: by a hunter be better than this moment right here.
Speaker 5: And yeah, I mean he was a beast and such
Speaker 5: a cool guy. But for him to acknowledge me, and
Speaker 5: even in that moment when they're really getting ready to
Speaker 5: buckle down and and things couldn't be more serious, just
Speaker 5: flew me away.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 5: I couldn't believe. I've had a couple of other experiences
Speaker 5: like that, but man, that first.
Speaker 4: The halls all time you are huh, yeah, the hall
Speaker 4: is all time.
Speaker 6: It was my first year that It was the year
Speaker 6: we went to the playoffs and we lost the Green
Speaker 6: Bay But when we made that run and clinching division
Speaker 6: against the Eagles, I had sack Sam Bradford and I
Speaker 6: did this funny little like gentleman's dad thing, And like
Speaker 6: the next week, U the Hall s with his kids
Speaker 6: and they're playing a board game and his kids like, oh,
Speaker 6: I'm doing the little company.
Speaker 4: They start dabbing, and the Hall.
Speaker 6: Sends it to me, and I was just thinking, like, man, yo,
Speaker 6: d Angel Halls text me what his kids are doing.
Speaker 6: That's imitating me, And I thought it was like the
Speaker 6: coolest thing in the world. But the Halls all time, man, Yeah,
Speaker 6: he's great.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Sorry about all the Redskins talk, Taylor, I know, man,
Speaker 4: what else?
Speaker 3: You love it? It's interesting just to just to learn
Speaker 3: about that stuff, because, like I mean, Tennessee does have history,
Speaker 3: be coming from the from Houston and all that, but
Speaker 3: like those team to have like one of the most
Speaker 3: rich histories of all the NFL teams. So it's fun
Speaker 3: to learn about you growing up. And I mean, obviously
Speaker 3: I learned a little bit about with Will he put
Speaker 3: there for so long and had so much success there
Speaker 3: and his you know, coming from an undrafted guy. You
Speaker 3: got it, buddy, you're putting your friends on the podcast,
Speaker 3: all be nice. You e've been just to be able
Speaker 3: to be undrafted and then to come and you know,
Speaker 3: have the story he did. Will's you know, five ft
Speaker 3: ten white guy doesn't belong in the NFL, but he's
Speaker 3: been doing it. You know what I'm saying, This will
Speaker 3: be your apro and so I don't I don't doubt
Speaker 3: that was be on our team this year. Will. Would
Speaker 3: you ever go back to the Redskins?
Speaker 4: I would? I would? You know they're there, Yeah, I
Speaker 4: mean I I do.
Speaker 6: They're like there's been that salty bitterness, but it has
Speaker 6: it has nothing to do with like my uh starting point,
Speaker 6: Like the Redskins is where I started everything, you know
Speaker 6: what I mean, Like that's where I have the majority
Speaker 6: of my relationships. That's probably why I got better when
Speaker 6: I was when I left, because you're so close to
Speaker 6: an organization.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 6: But yeah, I I for sure would if they were,
Speaker 6: if they through their hat in the ring, I would
Speaker 6: for sure consider going back to the Redskins.
Speaker 3: Dude?
Speaker 5: Does all the turnover make that decision easier?
Speaker 6: I mean there there there's a couple of decisions that, like,
Speaker 6: you know, happen that you're kind of like, Okay, they're
Speaker 6: they're they're going toward a better direction. I won't say
Speaker 6: exactly those decisions you probably know, but but yeah, man,
Speaker 6: you just knew how hard the guys worked in the
Speaker 6: locker room and how hard actually a lot of those
Speaker 6: coaches worked.
Speaker 4: And so when when stuff wasn't happening.
Speaker 6: It's such a hard place too, because DC is like
Speaker 6: this media frenzy of creating bad stories and stuff like that.
Speaker 6: You don't really get it as much Taylor picture like
Speaker 6: ten Paul Kaharski's in DC.
Speaker 4: Not that Paulkaharski.
Speaker 6: I'm not saying he's just he plays the good Dylan
Speaker 6: role in Tennessee. But it's more like people have real
Speaker 6: agendas and vandettas with tearing some of the Redskins apart sometimes.
Speaker 6: And so it's like that all the time, Like when
Speaker 6: RG three was happening, and her cousins like, I won't
Speaker 6: go down all.
Speaker 4: Those rabbit holes just because we have a podcast with
Speaker 4: Dayla and our junior.
Speaker 6: But uh, that's why I think so interesting too, is
Speaker 6: your uh you're telling these stories and it's just you know,
Speaker 6: you have your own status in the NASCAR world, and
Speaker 6: to hear stories about you talking about the Hall and
Speaker 6: even though you didn't talk about any of the stories
Speaker 6: with me, but like the old Hogs and the Redskins,
Speaker 6: it's just cool to kind of hear that stuff and
Speaker 6: everybody's I don't know, everybody gets excited and you seem
Speaker 6: to love football and.
Speaker 4: The Redskins and it's fascinating.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 5: We don't make our memories that we've been telling. We've
Speaker 5: been telling each other for a couple years now. We're
Speaker 5: going to drink some beers in Nashville.
Speaker 4: Dude, I know, and no one ever believes me, And
Speaker 4: I'm like, dude.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we all have. We've all we've all been that
Speaker 3: group text talking about that three of us.
Speaker 6: Taylor like, I want, I actually want to do like
Speaker 6: through chat, but I feel like you would think I'm
Speaker 6: like weirdly flexing.
Speaker 4: So I have this weird battle on my head on
Speaker 4: not to say too much.
Speaker 3: You know, Dale, will you and I will me, we'll
Speaker 3: we'll we'll get each other's numbers from each other. It'll
Speaker 3: be it'll be fine. Everything will work out. It'll be fine, Dale,
Speaker 3: It'll be fine. I'm doing it right now.
Speaker 6: Anyway, Taylor, Hey, here's a here's actually a good pivot point,
Speaker 6: since we're talking about our new blooming friendship right here,
Speaker 6: this trio Dale you have, you're known to have a
Speaker 6: western a full Western town commute with a saloon where.
Speaker 4: You actually host parties. And we talk about our friendship.
Speaker 6: But I've yet to receive that invite.
Speaker 4: Here's an opportunity. You invite the boys the next time
Speaker 4: you have it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, take Taylor, he'll get he'll.
Speaker 4: Get a private jet. He'll fl me and him to
Speaker 4: Charlotte and we'll go to one of these parties. Tell
Speaker 4: us about those parties.
Speaker 5: Well, I have to tell you the the Western Town
Speaker 5: is a legit Western town. It's it's got a saloon,
Speaker 5: a big giant saloon, hotel rooms upstairs, got a bank,
Speaker 5: got to share this office with two jail cells. Got
Speaker 5: a church. I've actually had my friend of mine use
Speaker 5: that Western Town church and all that to get married.
Speaker 5: Had about one hundred people down there. It's got a
Speaker 5: straight it's got to rode down the middle the whole thing, right,
Speaker 5: And I was I used to live across the street
Speaker 5: from my dad's race shop, and I had a part
Speaker 5: I had a club in my basement of my house,
Speaker 5: and we just would trash it. I mean just you
Speaker 5: could do your floors. Your shoes would stick to the
Speaker 5: floor by the end of the night or the next
Speaker 5: day trying to clean up the place because it was
Speaker 5: so messy. And so when I moved to this new house,
Speaker 5: in this new piece of property, I said, I want
Speaker 5: to place to party. We're still partying, we're still drinking,
Speaker 5: raising hell, and I want a place to do it.
Speaker 5: But I don't want it near my house because I
Speaker 5: would I would, I would smoke cigarettes. I let every
Speaker 5: bolth cigarettes and they're chilling and crashing and tearing up stuff,
Speaker 5: and it's just like it would ruin the whole house, right,
Speaker 5: And so we built a Western Town built a saloon.
Speaker 5: And I saw Willie Nelson had bought this piece of property.
Speaker 5: I'm watching sixty Minutes and Willie Nelson is on it.
Speaker 5: And he bought this piece of property that had a
Speaker 5: Western town movie set on it with a bunch of sides,
Speaker 5: and he finished out the saloon so he could go
Speaker 5: in there and hang out. And I thought, that's great idea,
Speaker 5: That's what I'll do. So we drew it on a napkin,
Speaker 5: and we hired a bunch of local contractors. They came
Speaker 5: out here and they built it, and we run power
Speaker 5: to it. And we've had it down there for fifteen, sixteen,
Speaker 5: eighteen years. It's been down in a long time. And
Speaker 5: we used to party all the time, like every week
Speaker 5: after the race on to about Wednesday, and then we'd
Speaker 5: chill out. But these days we don't party down there
Speaker 5: as much as I wish we did. But now it's
Speaker 5: like we have it now. We use it like for
Speaker 5: family day, for our company outings, and I've rented it
Speaker 5: out for commercials and music video shoots and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: And but the beer cooler still down there, is still cold,
Speaker 5: there's still beer in it, there's still liquor as on
Speaker 5: the bar. And anytime you guys want to come over here,
Speaker 5: I guess when I have a party, I have to
Speaker 5: let you know if make it out.
Speaker 3: Yay, hold on, I'm fired up Dale. I'm from from
Speaker 3: Cave Creek, Arizona. All right, people in that town, it's
Speaker 3: literally a small town. There's no franchise lout in it.
Speaker 3: We let a dairy queen in the eighties and that
Speaker 3: was a huge deal, right, the whole town gathered around
Speaker 3: for that thing, very fired up. But well, yeah, but
Speaker 3: it's got like a nice charm.
Speaker 6: Yeah. I don't want to compare. I really don't want
Speaker 6: to disrespect them.
Speaker 3: We shouldn't we just and so you own a like
Speaker 3: just owning a western town. I don't know. I don't
Speaker 3: know a bus, and I'm very proud of that.
Speaker 5: But that's where that's how it starts.
Speaker 3: What's that? Oh, oh, Jude, I'm I'm one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you know this. When we have
Speaker 3: a bus with your with your number on it, of
Speaker 3: course I know. It's pretty killer. It's pretty killer. I
Speaker 3: love to say. It's the reason why we bought it.
Speaker 3: It was two grand, that's why we bought it. But
Speaker 3: the character that came with it was beautiful. It doesn't
Speaker 3: have all.
Speaker 5: I have a bus, what you do? I have a
Speaker 5: bus on my property and it's the same as y'all's.
Speaker 5: It's got a couple uh dynants in it. We put
Speaker 5: some old old bench seats like out of an old
Speaker 5: Chevy Seville and stuff like that in it to sit
Speaker 5: and chill. And it's like a bar inside the bus
Speaker 5: and we painted it like the Bull Durham bus from
Speaker 5: the movie Bull Durham.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the great movie, great movie.
Speaker 5: Five hundred dollar bus. All we got into it and
Speaker 5: it's a great place to sit and have a drink.
Speaker 5: But uh, that's how it starts, man. You get a bus.
Speaker 5: Then the next thing, you know, you want something a
Speaker 5: little larger, you want something a little different. And I
Speaker 5: went with the western town theme. I don't know which
Speaker 5: guy what you guys will go Taylor.
Speaker 4: Taylor would for sure do that, dude. I can see
Speaker 4: him like loving dude.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, I think a western town might be
Speaker 3: the next move on the start looking for places. I'll
Speaker 3: probably I'll probably buy the whole town of Bonta, Missouri
Speaker 3: and go make myself a western town.
Speaker 5: We started with basically just the square Yeah, we just
Speaker 5: started with the saloon. I mean, it's just a square
Speaker 5: room and that's what it started as. And we, over
Speaker 5: a period of several years, just kept adding things to it.
Speaker 5: I'm like, well, we got to have a Berkemtowe shed,
Speaker 5: so we built a mercantile shed, and then we had
Speaker 5: to have a doc. We had to have a place
Speaker 5: a barber. Western town's got to have the barber shop. Man,
Speaker 5: It's just a facade. It's like a it's like the
Speaker 5: front of it, and it's like two feet deep inside
Speaker 5: the windows, and you just got kinds of stuff sitting
Speaker 5: in there that makes it look like a barber shop.
Speaker 5: It's not real, but the saloon's entirely functional.
Speaker 4: Have you been?
Speaker 3: Have you been to Catalina Island and areas in California?
Speaker 4: I have it.
Speaker 3: Okay, So I had this great I made. I'm in
Speaker 3: California right now. I mean as neat as you can
Speaker 3: actually see the island from where I'm at. Weird, flex,
Speaker 3: That was stupid but.
Speaker 4: To say.
Speaker 3: But so I had this great idea last year. It's
Speaker 3: like Valentine's Day weekend. I'm like, you know what, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna take my wife to Catalina Island. So we go.
Speaker 3: We had a helicopter. The helicopter takes Catalina Island. That's
Speaker 3: part of the story. I'm not actually trying to flex again,
Speaker 3: And uh, there's actually two parts. This turn just turned
Speaker 3: into a two part story. So buckle Updale, and we're
Speaker 3: flying with this guy, and this guy's telling all these
Speaker 3: crazy stories to us, and he starts telling us about
Speaker 3: how he was a pilot for a bunch of athletes
Speaker 3: and he was a he was Kobe Bryant's pilot and
Speaker 3: he would fly Kobe everywhere all the time. And long
Speaker 3: story short, like of that story, there's two, there's none
Speaker 3: coming up. That was the pilot that was with Kobe
Speaker 3: when he unfortunately passed away. It was it was crazy.
Speaker 3: It was it was a crazy game.
Speaker 6: But he was an.
Speaker 3: Unbelievable he was Ulie guy. From a little bit of
Speaker 3: time we got to know him. But we flew to
Speaker 3: Catalina and in the front when we first flapt, You're like, wow,
Speaker 3: this is the cutest town I've ever seen in my
Speaker 3: entire life. It's like this tiny little island. They have buffalo.
Speaker 3: It's beautiful. And then you get like one block in
Speaker 3: and you realize, like it's just a It literally is
Speaker 3: like a stage prop set. Like everything's nice in front,
Speaker 3: and then you get like you get like one block in,
Speaker 3: it's kind of like, you know, like there's stuff all
Speaker 3: over the ground. Things are kind of dirty. It's it's
Speaker 3: a it's a little rough and we were there in
Speaker 3: the winter time, so it wasn't like a tourist time, Mike,
Speaker 3: it was it was ah, that little Harry there for
Speaker 3: a second. Dale it was a little sketchy getting out
Speaker 3: of there, a little nervous.
Speaker 5: What about the buffalo. So there's this buffalo hanging out.
Speaker 3: So there on the island. Some guy and like, oh,
Speaker 3: took him from Idaho or whatever and brought all these
Speaker 3: buffalo to Catalen Island to film a Western movie. And
Speaker 3: once he finished the Western movie, he's like, well it
Speaker 3: toss more to take these buffalo back. He just left
Speaker 3: the buffalo there. And now they're like and now like
Speaker 3: indigenous there. I guess like they can't go back. Hold
Speaker 3: they like they've like had generations of like this born
Speaker 3: and now these now these buffalo are just like well
Speaker 3: we're just Cali buffalo. Now we just we just chill
Speaker 3: out here on this two mile radius island. It's a
Speaker 3: creat it's a it's a weird it's a weird setup
Speaker 3: because it's very it's all based on tourism. And but
Speaker 3: there's a high school, there's like an actual town and
Speaker 3: then they'll like to get on ferries go to Long
Speaker 3: Beach to play football games. Ah yeah, So it's a
Speaker 3: it's a weird setup, not even airport or nothing. But yeah,
Speaker 3: that's my story about kind of a western town.
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Speaker 6: you guys to finish this episode. Yo, Taylor bringing up
Speaker 6: the Kobe Bryant's pilot. You actually gotten a recent crash back?
Speaker 4: What was that in August last year?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Sometimes can you.
Speaker 4: Can you tell us about that a little bit?
Speaker 6: And then can you also tell us probably how you
Speaker 6: guys probably sat back and reflected after seeing the Kobe
Speaker 6: news and thinking you were in something you know, similar,
Speaker 6: something that could have been you know.
Speaker 5: So yeah, well you know the you know, where do
Speaker 5: I even start the We were in a really you know,
Speaker 5: we were in a bad accident and very scary, you know.
Speaker 5: We I've flown all my life, and I think, you know,
Speaker 5: I look back and I flew wrote in king Air
Speaker 5: prop planes and Brazilians prop planes and just anything. I
Speaker 5: never have questioned it, right, I got on it. Here,
Speaker 5: here we go, We're going somewhere. I don't even I
Speaker 5: don't even care when I never questioned it. I got
Speaker 5: on every plane whatever. I never looked at it and went,
Speaker 5: I don't want to get on that. I figured it's good,
Speaker 5: We're good. I trust. I trust what's happening here, no
Speaker 5: matter what it was. And we fly as race teams.
Speaker 5: We fly private even on you know, even the team
Speaker 5: planes are privately owned aircraft. We rarely have ever flew commercial.
Speaker 5: And so you know, for all these years, you know,
Speaker 5: I just took it for granted that I was you know,
Speaker 5: putting my trust in all the people that either you know,
Speaker 5: were the mechanics on these planes or the pilots on
Speaker 5: these planes, and and the history of the plane itself.
Speaker 5: So I got a brand new plane from Cessna. It's
Speaker 5: a really nice plane, and I'm we're flying it. We've
Speaker 5: been flying it a while, and we've landed it into
Speaker 5: that airport before, and it was a great day. And
Speaker 5: we're flying on in there, and I remember being a
Speaker 5: couple of miles from the airport looking down the ground.
Speaker 5: Everything's going just like it's supposed to go, and uh,
Speaker 5: we came down in to land and we landed.
Speaker 4: We bounced.
Speaker 5: Basically when you land a plane, you kind of want
Speaker 5: to land the rear tires first, obviously, and then then
Speaker 5: bring the tail, bring the nose down. And when we landed,
Speaker 5: we landed sort of flat, and a plane bounced back
Speaker 5: up in the air. And when it landed the first time,
Speaker 5: it shut all the blinds and so now we can't
Speaker 5: see out. We just know we bounced up in the air.
Speaker 5: And I don't know if we're ten feet in the
Speaker 5: air or one hundred feet feet in the air, right,
Speaker 5: but I know we got to get down on that runway,
Speaker 5: and it's not a really long runway, and we don't
Speaker 5: have a lot of time to be bouncing and taking
Speaker 5: up you know, taking up time trying to get the
Speaker 5: plane on the ground. So we came down again just
Speaker 5: as hard, if not harder, and uh, the land again
Speaker 5: on the right side broke again. You know, the the uh,
Speaker 5: the the blinds are shut, so you've got no reference
Speaker 5: of what's going on outside. You don't know what you
Speaker 5: don't know what's up and up, up or down left
Speaker 5: and right. You're just kind of in this tube moving
Speaker 5: And so I could tell the plane that was tilted
Speaker 5: when we came down the same time, and I thought,
Speaker 5: in my mind, I'm like, mechanically, we're broken the right
Speaker 5: side gear and now we're on the wing and that
Speaker 5: wing dragon and that tail, that that stuff dragging sort
Speaker 5: of turned the plane started to turn the plane, and
Speaker 5: in my mind again the mechanical and narrow race car
Speaker 5: driver Mine starts thinking, now we're the plane's turned, the
Speaker 5: plane's turning with the wing, the left wing up in
Speaker 5: the air, and that's that's probably gonna try to create
Speaker 5: some lift and bring the plane up in the air,
Speaker 5: and you know, and and cartwheel the plane, So you know,
Speaker 5: you're thinking you're gonna be You're you're gonna die. You know,
Speaker 5: you're thinking in that moment that that this is this
Speaker 5: is how it's gonna happen. And so you're you know,
Speaker 5: in a lot of situations when you're for example, you're
Speaker 5: racing a car and it's dangerous and you're crashing, you
Speaker 5: never think ever that you never give up hope that
Speaker 5: you're you're gonna get out one piece or you're gonna
Speaker 5: you know, you never think about getting injured. But anytime
Speaker 5: trying to put this in and trying to articulate this,
Speaker 5: but you know, you assume risk. You know, when you
Speaker 5: when you're running out a guy and you're gonna tackle
Speaker 5: him and you lined up for a really bad angle
Speaker 5: and you're gonna hit this guy really hard and it
Speaker 5: might hurt you, it might hurt him, but you're taking
Speaker 5: that risk. You assume that. You know it. You know
Speaker 5: you're not gonna die. You don't never think in your
Speaker 5: mind you could die, but you might hurt yourself and
Speaker 5: you might hurt him. But you got to take you know,
Speaker 5: you put yourself in a position. You do that with racing.
Speaker 5: You never do that with airplanes, and so here we
Speaker 5: are and the plane starts to starts to turn, and
Speaker 5: I'm thinking it's gonna lift, create and lift like that,
Speaker 5: like the way it's positioned, and it ended up going
Speaker 5: off the runway, which broke the left side gear and
Speaker 5: uh got the planet, got the plane back on the
Speaker 5: ground to where it wasn't going to create lyft underneath it,
Speaker 5: and then it got really rough. We haen we we
Speaker 5: went down into sort of a ditch ravine area and
Speaker 5: when it hit that, that was extremely violent, and we
Speaker 5: slid a little bit further and it came to stop,
Speaker 5: and uh, I started hollering for Amy. The whole interior
Speaker 5: of the plane doesn't isn't recognizable anymore. Panels and things
Speaker 5: are or are or moot missing and loosen in different places.
Speaker 5: Everything's moved, and uh, you know, just trying to In
Speaker 5: that moment, you just sort of think, am I broken?
Speaker 5: And I got my daughter Ailah, and I got I
Speaker 5: got to look at her and check her, and she's,
Speaker 5: you know, screaming, and I'm thinking, God, please don't let
Speaker 5: nothing be wrong with her. Please don't let nothing be
Speaker 5: wrong with my girl. Right, And so I look at
Speaker 5: her real quick and I said, you know, as far
Speaker 5: as I can tell, and just this split second, you
Speaker 5: know she's gonna be okay. I hand her to Amy.
Speaker 5: Amy's trying to get her barons, and I was like, Amy, check,
Speaker 5: I look really good. Just that's all you need to
Speaker 5: do right now is look at her and check her legs, arms,
Speaker 5: and check her head as she gonna you know, she
Speaker 5: got any kind of bruise on her head or head
Speaker 5: her head or anything, I don't know. And so I
Speaker 5: gave Amy that responsibility in that moment. And then I
Speaker 5: because I wanted to find a way out. I wanted
Speaker 5: to figure out how I knew we had a hatch
Speaker 5: in the back. You know, we got the door, the
Speaker 5: planes kind of leaned over. I'm thinking, I don't know
Speaker 5: if we know them the front door, because that way
Speaker 5: of the plane's position, probably not gonna be able to
Speaker 5: get that open. So I'm thinking, get that hatch in
Speaker 5: the back of it. Let's create an opportunity to leave.
Speaker 5: So I went back there and I'm seeing smoke coming
Speaker 5: out of the toilet, and so Black Dark picked smoke.
Speaker 5: I'm like, all right, I hollered up to the front.
Speaker 5: I was like, we're on fire.
Speaker 4: We've gotta go.
Speaker 5: Y'all need the plane. The pilot sure up. They're doing
Speaker 5: all they're trained to do a series of things when
Speaker 5: they're in the situation. They got to fire off the extinguishers.
Speaker 5: They got to shut this down, turn them, you know.
Speaker 5: They you can't climb, you can't leave motors running and
Speaker 5: carry it on. So they're doing all the things as
Speaker 5: fast as they can to get everything to where the
Speaker 5: plane is as safe as possible and the circumstances it's in.
Speaker 5: So they're up. They're doing that right when when when
Speaker 5: I saw the smoke, I was like, yeah, come on, man,
Speaker 5: we're on fire. We gotta we gotta move a little faster.
Speaker 5: I couldn't get that hatch open. And uh, I'm I'm
Speaker 5: trying to like, he'll get that hatch open, and I
Speaker 5: can't get it open. That smoke's getting worse and worse.
Speaker 5: We'd we'd went through a chain link fence and had
Speaker 5: wrapped around that door and wouldn't allow the door to
Speaker 5: open away I needed it to. So we're trying to
Speaker 5: get that open. It ain't happening. And I turned back
Speaker 5: and I hollered at the other pilot and I said,
Speaker 5: I can't get it open. Amy hollers at him and says,
Speaker 5: try the front door one more time because we had
Speaker 5: tried it and couldn't get it to move. And he
Speaker 5: goes up there to the front door and turns a
Speaker 5: handle and kicks it and it popped open about two inches,
Speaker 5: I mean two feet. And so we climbed up the stairs.
Speaker 5: So the stairs are now it's the stairs when the plane.
Speaker 5: When the door ups up, you know, you walk up
Speaker 5: the stairs. Well, now we're walking. We're climbing up the
Speaker 5: bottom of the stairs or to get out of the plane.
Speaker 5: And so the lead pilot goes to get out of
Speaker 5: the plane to build. Then he's like, hand me the baby.
Speaker 5: So I go up there to hand him the baby.
Speaker 5: Now I get out of the plane, and I'm still
Speaker 5: a bit.
Speaker 4: I can't.
Speaker 5: In the entire time all this is going on, I
Speaker 5: still am not one hundred percent sure that Island is okay.
Speaker 5: During this whole process, I'm still wanting I still need
Speaker 5: more information about Isla, my little girl. You know, it's
Speaker 5: like dominating my thoughts and I still, you know, with
Speaker 5: my head injuries and the issues that I've had with that,
Speaker 5: I'm thinking, man, she's not even two years old.
Speaker 4: Yet she can't.
Speaker 5: I can't have her dealing with stuff like that. And
Speaker 5: so anyways, I'm just I need to know. I need
Speaker 5: to see her, right. And so I took a step
Speaker 5: to go because he took off running. The pilot I
Speaker 5: gave him is leant and he takes off running. I
Speaker 5: climb out and I'm like, come back, I gotta see you.
Speaker 5: I got check ala damn he's running. I can hardly walk.
Speaker 5: My back is tore all the hell and I could
Speaker 5: hardly move. And so he took off until turn around
Speaker 5: and I'm helping Amy get out, and the damn grass
Speaker 5: was on fire underneath us. It was crazy as hell.
Speaker 5: It was like in the movies. And then we had
Speaker 5: to pull our dog out and then our second pilot
Speaker 5: come out. It was just a really I haven't talked
Speaker 5: about her relived it in a long in a while,
Speaker 5: but it was very, very scary, you know. And then
Speaker 5: you're riding to then they put Amy in her own
Speaker 5: ambulance with island. Then I'm in an ambulance by myself,
Speaker 5: and I still don't know if Island's one hundred percent,
Speaker 5: and I'm really tore up emotionally. The guy riding in
Speaker 5: an ambulance. Did the coolest thing ever. He calls the
Speaker 5: other ambulance on his cell phone and puts my wife
Speaker 5: on the phone and gives it to me and so
Speaker 5: I can talk to her. And I said, you know,
Speaker 5: finally I was like, Amy, got a chance to really
Speaker 5: look at Isla and take take you know, see what's
Speaker 5: going on with her. She okay, And you know, so
Speaker 5: I kind of finally got some relief of because that
Speaker 5: was so stressful. And you know, Amy, I've been in
Speaker 5: race car crashes, flips, just really bad stuff, caught on fire,
Speaker 5: done all kinds of crazy stuff in race cars. So
Speaker 5: when you crash a car, even really badly, the first
Speaker 5: thought that you really have is, well, we got another
Speaker 5: car in the hauller because we take two to the racetrack.
Speaker 5: It's a backup car, is what they call it. I
Speaker 5: wonder how good that backup car is? Is it as
Speaker 5: good as the one I just crashed? That's your first thought.
Speaker 5: You don't think about damn, that was a close near
Speaker 5: death experience. You don't never even think about stuff like that.
Speaker 5: You just think, man, I gotta get back on the track.
Speaker 5: How do how good is the other car? Let's go,
Speaker 5: you know, load that loaded, load to crash. One up,
Speaker 5: we'll get the other one out. Let's go. And so
Speaker 5: I was seasoned, and when it happened, I got out,
Speaker 5: you know, all that happened. As soon as I knew
Speaker 5: everybody was okay and everybody was healthy, I went into, Okay,
Speaker 5: what's this? Uh you know, how what what's the next move?
Speaker 5: What do we need to do. There's got to be
Speaker 5: some rules, regulations, steps we need to take. Uhh, the
Speaker 5: financial ask, you know, fallout or whatever.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: I'm starting to go into that mode, you know. And
Speaker 5: uh and and man, I really in a week was
Speaker 5: back on a plane, or even sooner was back on
Speaker 5: a plane flying now, a little bit more nervous about
Speaker 5: landings and so forth, but I got right back to it.
Speaker 5: Amy on the other hand, had a harder time with it.
Speaker 5: She that was like completely life shattering or altering for her,
Speaker 5: and she still struggles today with getting comfortable to fly.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 5: I admit, I cannot put my daughter on a plane
Speaker 5: right now. I still ain't. She remembers it happening when
Speaker 5: we take her own planes now, she has a reaction
Speaker 5: when we take off, when we hit turbulence when we land.
Speaker 5: She used to not you know, but now she has reactions.
Speaker 5: She remembers something about that day. And now she gets older,
Speaker 5: five ten, twenty forty years old, She's not going to
Speaker 5: remember what happened to her when she was younger than
Speaker 5: two years old, but for now she does, you know.
Speaker 5: So I don't like taking her own planes. I don't
Speaker 5: like putting her through that stress. I feel selfish because
Speaker 5: I'm taking her where I want to go. She has
Speaker 5: no idea where we're going, no idea. She's not her
Speaker 5: wish to get on this plane and go to wherever
Speaker 5: we're going in our destination, and I feel selfish for
Speaker 5: doing it. So I don't like putting her on planes
Speaker 5: because she doesn't enjoy it and it stresses her out.
Speaker 5: So that's the hard part for me. Otherwise I'm comfortable.
Speaker 5: I've already gotten another plane.
Speaker 4: I'm back.
Speaker 5: I still kept one of my pilots from that from
Speaker 5: that incident, and I'm back in the air and I'm
Speaker 5: back going. We went to uh We went to therapy.
Speaker 5: I believe in therapy, you know, I believe in talking
Speaker 5: to somebody you've got problems. We all got stuff. We
Speaker 5: got to deal with. I got stuff from my childhood
Speaker 5: that I still need work on and probably don't put
Speaker 5: enough time in. But so we went right to a
Speaker 5: therapist to say, hey, is there anything you can do.
Speaker 5: We're ready to work. So me and Amy did a
Speaker 5: little bit of work there which helped us. She continues
Speaker 5: to do some work with some with some with some
Speaker 5: folks to to help her understand how to comfortably fly
Speaker 5: and get back and you know in the flying her
Speaker 5: on a regular basis. Uh, but she's way behind, you
Speaker 5: know me, She's probably where any of anybody else would
Speaker 5: be given the situation. But I think, uh, you know,
Speaker 5: when when you hear about you know you, I don't
Speaker 5: you know, I don't know how to I don't know
Speaker 5: how to articulate the the emotions when you see something
Speaker 5: like that happened to Kobe. I think the the initial
Speaker 5: reaction that you have is that you know, there's lives
Speaker 5: destroyed and and people's hearts are broken. I can I
Speaker 5: kind of related more to losing my dad than than
Speaker 5: than our plane crash, right because you know, Kobe lost
Speaker 5: his life, his daughter and and and other people on
Speaker 5: the plane. There's people here that are hurting and and
Speaker 5: sad and just there's a hole and man, it never
Speaker 5: you're never gonna feel You're never gonna it's never gonna
Speaker 5: be the same, you know, And so that that that
Speaker 5: part is that's the worst part, is that you know
Speaker 5: that their hearts are so broken, and uh, you know,
Speaker 5: and and I don't you know, I always uh you know,
Speaker 5: I feel like I feel like that, I don't know,
Speaker 5: I always felt like I don't know if this is
Speaker 5: a defense mechanism, if it's b S or what. But
Speaker 5: I felt like when I got here, my destiny was
Speaker 5: already made, you know, when I when I was born.
Speaker 5: I know I'm responsible for the decisions I make. And
Speaker 5: this might be getting a little bit in the weeds,
Speaker 5: but I feel like that I'm just gonna live my
Speaker 5: life and whatever's destined to happen to me, however I'm
Speaker 5: supposed to go, is how I was already decided. And
Speaker 5: so that I think it's probably BS to be honest
Speaker 5: with you, but it leaves me without responsibility of it.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: I know I need to make what decision to do
Speaker 5: what I need to do for my family. I don't
Speaker 5: need to do anything stupid. It's gonna put me at risk,
Speaker 5: but you know, I it's the only way that I
Speaker 5: can live without fear, without worry. I lost my mom
Speaker 5: last year to lung cancer, and for for for the
Speaker 5: last probably six or eight months, I have done nothing
Speaker 5: but worry about dying and leaving my daughter too young?
Speaker 5: You know, Man, am I gonna be around when she's
Speaker 5: If I died at sixty seven or so, like my mom,
Speaker 5: my daughter would be twenty two. I mean, how would
Speaker 5: that affect her? God? I got to live longer, you know.
Speaker 5: And so stupid. I know that's silly. And my wife
Speaker 5: is annoyed to death by my by mine by the
Speaker 5: way I am, I'm just weird, but.
Speaker 3: So I real quick, real quick, I don't I don't
Speaker 3: think what you're saying at all is bs. I think
Speaker 3: it's almost a uniquely beautiful way to live life, because
Speaker 3: I mean, yes, you don't want to leave your family,
Speaker 3: tor really and I kind of a very similar in
Speaker 3: the way you are, as like, I'm kind of just
Speaker 3: I don't want to live in it and the fear
Speaker 3: I don't want to go If I go out in
Speaker 3: the ocean for whatever reason, I don't want to think,
Speaker 3: oh what if a shark gets me? Some things that
Speaker 3: are statistically probably not going to happen a plane accident,
Speaker 3: for instance, Like statistically, that's not going to happen to you,
Speaker 3: you know, And it's I think the way you're living
Speaker 3: is a lot of ways that people should try to
Speaker 3: live because you don't live with barriers. You don't live
Speaker 3: in a situation where I can't do this or I
Speaker 3: can't do that. If anything, it seems like an amplifize
Speaker 3: because I hear the emotion in your voice. It seems
Speaker 3: like an amplifize. The love you have for your family,
Speaker 3: the love you have for your daughter, the love you
Speaker 3: have for your next kid is like you're making you
Speaker 3: don't know how long you're gonna have. And like, I
Speaker 3: think that's the crazy thing about Kobe is like I mean,
Speaker 3: I grew up watching Kobe. Like everybody talks about Kobe
Speaker 3: Lebron and Michael Jordan, and it's like I didn't never,
Speaker 3: never really saw Michael play, you know, And I've obviously
Speaker 3: Lebron played like Kobe was like a figure, like an
Speaker 3: untouched figure, like a Greek god type of guy that
Speaker 3: we see so little in the sports world. And for
Speaker 3: someone like him to go in a situation that's so sudden.
Speaker 3: It really puts things into perspective. But it also shows
Speaker 3: that like if you look at the way Kobe lived
Speaker 3: his life, if you look at the way he handled himself,
Speaker 3: what he did in such a short time when he
Speaker 3: was retired, I think he wanted, uh what he was
Speaker 3: nominated for a gold and glower, an Emmy or something.
Speaker 3: I think he won an Emmy. His family loved him,
Speaker 3: had four daughters, he had, he was he did so
Speaker 3: much with with quality that like the quantity doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: I mean, we can all live alive to eighty and
Speaker 3: be shitty, or we can you know, or we can
Speaker 3: be lived to forty and be an incredible person, you know.
Speaker 3: And that's that's the decisions we make on a day
Speaker 3: to day basis. So I think, I mean, I understand
Speaker 3: why you would think that's BS, but in a lot
Speaker 3: of ways, I think it's a beautiful thing. And I
Speaker 3: try to live my way, well my life that way
Speaker 3: as well as trying to let's not fear of the
Speaker 3: unknown of the possibilities. Now, I'm sure it's very different
Speaker 3: when you've been in situations like that plane crash, like
Speaker 3: some of the car crashes you've been in watching situations
Speaker 3: like your dad like I can't, I can't imagine those things,
Speaker 3: and then to watch situation like what happened your dad
Speaker 3: and then say, oh, I'm gonna I'm gonna keep I'm
Speaker 3: gonna race, I'm gonna keep racing. I'm gonna keep doing this.
Speaker 3: That's It says a lot about your character and how
Speaker 3: much you do believe that you're you know, on an
Speaker 3: arrow from point A to point B, you know, and
Speaker 3: and without anything getting in your way.
Speaker 5: That's the way I feel. I feel like that my
Speaker 5: destinies already chosen, and I live that way because I
Speaker 5: don't want to live in fear. I don't want to.
Speaker 5: I don't want to avoid opportunity and avoid experiences out
Speaker 5: of fear. And and I don't want to certainly imprint
Speaker 5: this on my this fear on my child, you know,
Speaker 5: and and and create you know, fears and unrealistic things
Speaker 5: for her. So but I do you know that there's
Speaker 5: I'm just now getting sort of free of. I was
Speaker 5: really way free of the plain incident that that for
Speaker 5: me has subsided pretty good, and I don't have it
Speaker 5: doesn't affect me in my day to day. It took
Speaker 5: a while me and Amy would sit around and just
Speaker 5: tell each other every five minutes. Man, I just thought
Speaker 5: about it. Man, I just thought about it. Man, I
Speaker 5: just I just thought about that moment. We were doing
Speaker 5: it all day long, every day, and we don't anymore.
Speaker 5: It doesn't come up in my thoughts like it used
Speaker 5: to my mom's death. That's starting to subside a little bit,
Speaker 5: that worry of dying at fear of man, did I
Speaker 5: take care of my body? Did I do the things
Speaker 5: I needed to do to to give myself the opportunity
Speaker 5: to to see my child grow up and and and
Speaker 5: be who she can be. All that worry is starting
Speaker 5: to subside a little bit. It sucks, though, how those
Speaker 5: events in your life can certainly grab a hold of
Speaker 5: you and steer you the wrong way or get your
Speaker 5: you know, get your mental your mental state sort of
Speaker 5: sort of locked up for for a while. And that's
Speaker 5: why I believe in the therapy, you know, just going
Speaker 5: and if you need it, if you need to talk
Speaker 5: to somebody. I mean, there's some really really good therapists
Speaker 5: out there. Me and Amy's met this one lady named Jane,
Speaker 5: and uh, I was a real real bad boyfriend, just
Speaker 5: not I just not. I just was. I can't. I
Speaker 5: had no concern for Amy what made her happy. It
Speaker 5: was about me what I wanted to do in the moment.
Speaker 5: And man, I was selfish, so selfish, I'm why she
Speaker 5: hung in there, but she did. But we met this
Speaker 5: lame named Jane Man and James fixed it, fixed me,
Speaker 5: fixed she fixed my ship.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 5: She made me the man I wanted to be and
Speaker 5: the husband I wanted to be. And we didn't meet,
Speaker 5: and Amy would have never made it have we not
Speaker 5: met Jane, you know. And I think I'd been through
Speaker 5: therapy when I was a kid, and but I never
Speaker 5: really believed in it like that until until we met Jane.
Speaker 5: When Jane did what she did for me and my
Speaker 5: wife and our relationship, she basically guaranteed me a happy
Speaker 5: life in marriage, something I wanted but didn't know how
Speaker 5: to obtain. And uh, ever since then, man, I've been
Speaker 5: I've been a believer in it. If you if I
Speaker 5: feel like I need to need a little tune up,
Speaker 5: I call her up.
Speaker 3: That's awesome.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's man. I appreciate your insight.
Speaker 6: You have every reason in the world to kind of
Speaker 6: have those defense mechanisms up or worrying because of you know,
Speaker 6: all the experiences you've been through with Lucy and your mom,
Speaker 6: your dad, the plane crash, like being a father, a husband,
Speaker 6: all this stuff. So I love I think the insights
Speaker 6: awesome here and we definitely appreciate you being so open
Speaker 6: about and candid with everything like that was I could
Speaker 6: you can, like Taylor said, you can definitely see the
Speaker 6: passion and the emotion and everything behind what you're saying
Speaker 6: with I know we're running out of time, but we
Speaker 6: would be We would be terrible bosses to our to
Speaker 6: our young little Zach who's listening behind the screen right now.
Speaker 6: Who I You know, everybody is a huge day fan
Speaker 6: in the racing room, but this man, Zach, he did
Speaker 6: not sleep with this night, and I know he would.
Speaker 6: We have to bring him on the same a couple
Speaker 6: of times. Maybe ask about I racing or your Hall
Speaker 6: of Fame. Nudge like he's all about it, bro Zach,
Speaker 6: get on here, dud, Zach, let's go back.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, no, I appreciate you talking to me.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: They I don't know if they hyped it up enough.
Speaker 2: But I'm a huge fan and I admire you a
Speaker 2: lot for the person you are the racer that you are,
Speaker 2: just your social presence, you as a business person. So yeah,
Speaker 2: so it's it's an honor to finally meet you after
Speaker 2: twenty years.
Speaker 5: I guess I've been very nice. Yeah, that's real kind Zach,
Speaker 5: thank you A question for him?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess I got a question or two for you.
Speaker 2: And now I had to I had to really think
Speaker 2: about this. It took me a while, but I guess
Speaker 2: I started watching you, like I guess my younger like
Speaker 2: teenager years, And that's kind of like when like Steve Latart, y'all,
Speaker 2: you and Steve Watart got together. Yep. So do you
Speaker 2: feel like you as a person or like you as
Speaker 2: a racer?
Speaker 1: Like do you feel.
Speaker 2: Like like did he have an overall effect on you
Speaker 2: as a person or a driver? I mean, I mean
Speaker 2: you definitely started having success again. Yeah, five wins, thirty
Speaker 2: six top tens or thirty six top Yeah, thirty six
Speaker 2: top tens something or seventy four tops? Uh, you had
Speaker 2: thirty six top fives. I mean, I like Steve with
Speaker 2: tartle loot. I thought, y'are good together.
Speaker 5: Steve was my crew chief in the last several years
Speaker 5: of success that we had at a HINDRT Motorsports in
Speaker 5: my career one day till five hundred and twenty fourteen, but uh,
Speaker 5: probably about six seven races there and a short sp
Speaker 5: spent of time, and then he went to broadcasting and
Speaker 5: h I cried the moment that I heard that he
Speaker 5: was going to leave at the end of the year.
Speaker 5: I cried, a grown man, I think forty years old roughly,
Speaker 5: and I called him and I was like, dude, this
Speaker 5: rumor can't be true. And He's like, I do that.
Speaker 5: Gotta be home, get more time with my kids. I
Speaker 5: gotta do it. And I was like, but we're just
Speaker 5: doing so good, how could you leave? But anyhow, we
Speaker 5: became the best of friends and we still are today.
Speaker 5: And he was one of the reasons, big reasons why
Speaker 5: I went into broadcasting, because I because I get to
Speaker 5: hang out with him again. I'm back in the booths
Speaker 5: with my buddy. But Steve's approach to crew chiefing, he's
Speaker 5: basically kind of like a coach. He was a cheerleader.
Speaker 5: He's so there's a lot of ways that guys go
Speaker 5: about this. When I raced with Tony Eury Sr. Early
Speaker 5: in my career, we called him Rosie because his cheeks
Speaker 5: were always red, and he was always mad, and he
Speaker 5: would just chew your butt and uh, he hardly ever
Speaker 5: praised you, but man, you can make a mistake, and
Speaker 5: he was there on you. And he intimidated people right,
Speaker 5: and he people wanted to bust their butts to not
Speaker 5: get in trouble. That's why he ran his show and
Speaker 5: it was effective. Steve A. Tart was the other way around,
Speaker 5: or vastly different. He was a cheerleader. You know, we
Speaker 5: run a good lap, he'd say that. He'd say, hey,
Speaker 5: that's a great lap, keep going. Or if we were
Speaker 5: having trouble that day, you know, he was always positive, man,
Speaker 5: we're gonna turn this around. And he was one of
Speaker 5: the first people. So most crew chiefs, most crew chiefs,
Speaker 5: car owners, they believe that they have built you the
Speaker 5: best car, and they believe that if it's not going well,
Speaker 5: you need to change something. And that's pretty much how
Speaker 5: most of the people approach it to the driver. They
Speaker 5: put it on the driver, like, hey, man, what are
Speaker 5: you doing wrong? And Steve A. Tart was the first
Speaker 5: guy that ever told me after a race, we got
Speaker 5: to get these cars better. I had never heard that
Speaker 5: in my life, and he goes, Man, we just got
Speaker 5: to get the car better. It's not good enough. I'm like, damn,
Speaker 5: you saw that too. That is so nice to hear,
Speaker 5: because you can't drive a slow car fast. I mean
Speaker 5: it's a slow car. And so there's these moments where
Speaker 5: you know, he just was so so good, and Dude,
Speaker 5: I would get out of the car and I'd go
Speaker 5: I I'd be like, man, that guy believes in me.
Speaker 5: He believes I can do it. I'm coming back next
Speaker 5: week and I'm gonna give him my best because he
Speaker 5: believes in me. He thinks I can do this. And man,
Speaker 5: it's a it's a it's so good. It's such you know,
Speaker 5: he was just perfect, and uh, you know he he's
Speaker 5: he's a great friend. We still communicate a lot. But man,
Speaker 5: I'm glad you asked that question because I love praising
Speaker 5: old Steve.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed, like I enjoyed watching y'all.
Speaker 2: And I think that announcement about him leaving came out
Speaker 2: before the Daytona five hundred, So then y'all won the
Speaker 2: Daytona five hundred, and that probably just made it all
Speaker 2: the more special.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was funny because he went into that final
Speaker 5: season knowing that it was his last and he called
Speaker 5: that whole season the strategy like a wild man. You know,
Speaker 5: usually if you're nervous about making a mistake and losing
Speaker 5: your job, you're very conservative. Well, he knew he wasn't
Speaker 5: gonna be working there next year, so he called the
Speaker 5: strategy for each race really aggressively, really loose, like, hey, man,
Speaker 5: let's do it. Let's let's hey, let's put it out there.
Speaker 5: We'll stay out here, we're not pitting, stay out there.
Speaker 5: This might win, might not. We're doing it. And we won.
Speaker 5: We won both of poke. Yeah, both Mark on this
Speaker 5: wild strategy. He would have never did that strategy the
Speaker 5: year before that, and he knew. He's like, hey, now care,
Speaker 5: I'm not here next year, so let's go. And it
Speaker 5: was awesome. Is that, dude?
Speaker 2: Is that the year that you also ran out of
Speaker 2: fuel in the last lap at Charlotte Charlotte?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I think been two thousand before. Yeah, no, I remember Heartbreaker.
Speaker 2: I remember that you wanted to win the World six
Speaker 2: hundred so bad, and last lap you're leading backstretch. I
Speaker 2: think you run out of fuel and you're like, it
Speaker 2: comes over the radio art, I'm out of fuel.
Speaker 5: It hurt. Yeah, we did that. Remember at the Vegas
Speaker 5: that happened to brack Yeah, almost one Vegas man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you can always look back like it's
Speaker 1: so close.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but it's no close though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can say it's good to be close and
Speaker 2: you look back on them. But it's been really cool
Speaker 2: watching you out on I Racing too. I started I
Speaker 2: racing back in November, and then all this has started
Speaker 2: coming up now, so it's cool to see you back
Speaker 2: out racing again.
Speaker 5: I was on the service since so started in two
Speaker 5: thousand and eight, but then I took like a seven
Speaker 5: year break and I came back in November two. It's
Speaker 5: me and you came back right about.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, right, okay, Yeah.
Speaker 5: It's fun.
Speaker 4: That't rocking. He's rocking up. Busting with a boy's car.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep. I can graphic design, so I love the
Speaker 1: busting with the boys car.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna make sure I put your name down and
Speaker 5: so I can send you a friend requiest.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, let's go.
Speaker 4: Let's get this the busting of the boy's car. Dude.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I got to see this car. Anyways, I'll send
Speaker 5: you one.
Speaker 2: I got a picture of it right here because I
Speaker 2: sent it to Will. Let's see, Will, what's crazy?
Speaker 4: Zach?
Speaker 3: That's crazy? You and Dale don't text me. That's wild.
Speaker 3: Blows my mind, man, Taylor.
Speaker 6: When you got off the phone, when you got off
Speaker 6: the phone the other night, I forget what brought it up.
Speaker 6: But Zach was sitting there and he was like, y'all
Speaker 6: want to show you? Uh there they run like TV
Speaker 6: like the iRacing thing looks like a legit NASCAR race
Speaker 6: commentators are talking the whole time. He's got a full
Speaker 6: on busting with the boys car like and it looks real.
Speaker 4: It's crazy.
Speaker 5: Which one are you?
Speaker 1: I'm in the three car?
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: Oh boy, that looks good.
Speaker 1: Let's see.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, all right, I like it.
Speaker 4: I like that. Look at that.
Speaker 5: I like that number font man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a throwback.
Speaker 5: Yes you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but no our race in the league and they've
Speaker 2: got like commentators and everything. So yeah, no, I that
Speaker 2: it's it's really cool.
Speaker 5: It is fun. So I'm gonna be doing that here
Speaker 5: in to be it. I got We're gonna run. There's
Speaker 5: an indie race on ye yeah, this Saturday on nb CSN,
Speaker 5: and I gotta go practice at three o'clock for that,
Speaker 5: But I'm looking forward to it. IM a little nervous.
Speaker 5: I haven't spent a lot of time in the Indy Car,
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 1: Do you ever want to do the Indy Car double?
Speaker 5: No, that's much work. Yeah, I'd be flying. You gotta fly,
Speaker 5: you got you know, you've you gotta be in for
Speaker 5: Indy for the eighty five hundred. You got to be
Speaker 5: there all month, right, they got this whole thing right,
Speaker 5: And not only do you got to practice and drive
Speaker 5: the car, qualify race, but they have all the obligations, requirements, media,
Speaker 5: fan engagement, all that stuff happened in all month long parade.
Speaker 5: You got to be in all that stuff. Plus you
Speaker 5: have it happening on the flip side at the Coke
Speaker 5: six hundred, this whole thing during the whole weekend. I mean,
Speaker 5: the back and forth. It's too much. I couldn't do it. Yeah,
Speaker 5: yeah I will.
Speaker 2: I remember watching Kurt Busch do it and then like
Speaker 2: everything that he went through, and I think I think
Speaker 2: Saysny like sponsored him and like flew him back and
Speaker 2: he got like IV's as soon as he got done
Speaker 2: with the Indy five hundred to get back to Charlotte.
Speaker 5: As as grumpy as he is, I can't believe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a he's an interesting dude. But I I
Speaker 2: really appreciate you like talking to me and like taking
Speaker 2: my questions.
Speaker 5: I guess the problem, buddy. I'll see you online, man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, that'd be awesome.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm glad this have it because that
Speaker 6: got to ask a lot of the good racing turn
Speaker 6: it somewhat into the racing theme. But there we appreciate you.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: You got to thank you very much for this conversation.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much.
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 6: Whenever everything gets back to normal, will have to get
Speaker 6: you on that bus, dude.
Speaker 5: I know I'm gonna come to Nashville. We're gonna drink
Speaker 5: some beers from running down the street, fool. We'll get
Speaker 5: in the bus, we'll do a podcast.
Speaker 6: I love it all right, all right, man, Hey, thank
Speaker 6: you very much. Great.
Speaker 3: Me and Exact will be there with coffees. I'll be
Speaker 3: waiting for you to thank you very much.
Speaker 5: May you take it easy, man,