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Speaker 1: As you know, this morning announced my decision to begin

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Speaker 1: a search for the new head coach of the Jacksonville Jaguards,

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Speaker 1: and the announcement followed a very warm and positive discussion

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Speaker 1: I had with Doug this morning and also obviously last

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Speaker 1: week and over the last year. As difficult as if

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Speaker 1: occasion was for both Doug and myself, I mean, it

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Speaker 1: served a reminder of Doug's quality as a head coach

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Speaker 1: and a person. There's no doubt in my mind that

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Speaker 1: this is the time to make a change in the

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Speaker 1: best interests of the football team, community and especially our fans.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to jag Zam.

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Speaker 3: It's official the off season.

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Speaker 2: I'm Penannie Stevens, John Oserbryan with me, brand section with

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Speaker 2: me today as well, and we've been talking about changes.

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Speaker 2: We knew they were going to come. We got one

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Speaker 2: change right out of the gate on Monday. We'll start

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Speaker 2: out with our big thing. There are only two of

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Speaker 2: them today. One goes that does put Peterson the head

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Speaker 2: coach has been fired.

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Speaker 3: Let go.

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Speaker 2: Shat kind of explained a little bit of his reasoning.

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Speaker 1: Last year we started off eight and three and then

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Speaker 1: went one in five, okay, and didn't make the playoff.

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Speaker 1: Was the winning season but didn't make the playoffs. And

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Speaker 1: after that, you know, I started really right in Nashville,

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Speaker 1: sat down with Doug, Okay, what are.

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Speaker 3: We going to do?

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Speaker 1: And he identified, you know, on the defensive side, we

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Speaker 1: needed to change the staff and so on. And as

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Speaker 1: the season you know, progressed it, you know it. Obviously

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Speaker 1: we weren't doing well. We were close like yesterday, but

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Speaker 1: not close enough to win the game. And then as

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Speaker 1: I spoke to you know, Doug even last week for

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Speaker 1: a good length of time, you know, I just came

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Speaker 1: to the conclusion what we were doing was not working

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Speaker 1: and a change in direction was needed.

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Speaker 2: Brian, I don't think there's a huge surprise to this. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: it's the results oriented business team did not win. Doug

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Speaker 2: Peterson out as head coach.

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Speaker 3: What are your thoughts?

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Speaker 4: Well, this was the simple one.

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Speaker 5: You know, we heard all season long that they have

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Speaker 5: to learn, we have to teach them how to win

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Speaker 5: these close games. And there were enough examples. There were

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Speaker 5: thirteen one score games and the Jaguars went three to ten,

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Speaker 5: and at some point it became a self fulfilling prophecy.

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Speaker 5: Doug kept talking about what they needed the players to do.

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Speaker 5: And how they were attacking things in the meeting room

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Speaker 5: and on the practice field and it didn't work. They

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Speaker 5: didn't learn how to win close games. We all witnessed,

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Speaker 5: We lived that all season long, and so I think

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Speaker 5: that made the owner's choice relatively simple.

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Speaker 4: They had an opportunity.

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Speaker 5: They knew what the problems were, and they couldn't solve it.

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Speaker 5: He didn't have confidence John that they would go into

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty five and be able to change that to

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Speaker 5: solve it. He obviously thought something much more dramatic needed

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Speaker 5: to be done, and so he did it yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Look, people who know me know I'm not as much

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Speaker 6: blame blame blame coach as most people who are in

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Speaker 6: the league. But I think Op Pearson is a good coach.

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Speaker 6: I think he went coached somewhere else. You know, he's

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Speaker 6: won a Super Bowl, so he can do this. But

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Speaker 6: at some point, when you're four and thirteen, what I

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Speaker 6: wondered moving forward was so much of being head coaches

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Speaker 6: about belief. Do the players believe in this anymore? I

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Speaker 6: think after one and five last year, at the end

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Speaker 6: four and thirteen this year, hard to believe in that.

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Speaker 6: I also think it was going to be hard to

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Speaker 6: don't think he was going to change Press Taylor.

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Speaker 4: So if you hadn't.

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Speaker 3: Changed Doug, I don't know what changes. Good coach.

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Speaker 6: I think deserves be remembered fondly by the Jaguars for

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Speaker 6: what happened. At some point, a change has been made,

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Speaker 6: and you can't change all the players.

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Speaker 2: Cannot change all the players. We did expect though our

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Speaker 2: second big thing, which is one stage. Some of the

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Speaker 2: he maybe being let go as well. He was asked

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Speaker 7: I don't know if surprised is the right word. You know,

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Speaker 7: that's ultimately that's not my decision. That's the decision of ownership,

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Speaker 7: and I certainly respect the decision that's been made and

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Speaker 7: don't take the job lately. You know, the real fact,

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Speaker 7: The bottom line is we weren't productive on the field.

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Speaker 7: We didn't win enough games, and I don't shy away

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Speaker 7: you know, all we can do now is roll up

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Speaker 2: Work John a lot to talk about clearing house. They

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Speaker 2: choose not to do that, want to build the TRENALKI

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Speaker 2: still what he's been able to do here? Were you

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Speaker 6: Well, surprise when you ask somebody who's been around this

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Speaker 6: league for thirty years, and Brian's probably lafe when I

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Speaker 6: say this too, You're no longer that's surprised with anything,

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Speaker 6: because what you know is when an owner is deciding something,

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Speaker 6: it's one person making a decision. Shod Con is not

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Speaker 6: one to share thoughts on this. There's not a whole

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Speaker 6: lot of buzz in a building with shot on these things.

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Speaker 6: So was I surprised, not shocked. I didn't know what

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Speaker 6: surprised me if it had been total change. But Shod

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Speaker 6: explained a lot of his reasoning. He sees Trent in

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Speaker 6: the GM as a structural position overseeing football administration.

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Speaker 3: He likes what they've done with that. So, Brian, I

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Speaker 3: don't know how to define surprise.

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Speaker 6: I didn't know what to expect, but I wasn't shocked,

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Speaker 6: And I guess that kind of avoids the question, but

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Speaker 6: it's the only answer I.

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Speaker 5: Have you know, there were four possible outcomes here, Kai

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Speaker 5: both stay, both go, Doug stays, Trent goes, Trent stays,

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Speaker 5: Doug goes, and so was I surprised. Yeah, I didn't

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Speaker 5: know that that was the likely outcome in that. But

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Speaker 5: I want to take it from a different angle. And

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Speaker 5: here's what I'm surprised at. John and the owner kind

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Speaker 5: of laid this out, which you know, Sean talked about,

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Speaker 5: you know, what he saw in Trent, And I guess

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Speaker 5: I'm surprised at the level of venom that Trent Bulky gets.

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Speaker 5: I know, people try to stick him with the urban

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Speaker 5: but he didn't hire urban Meyer.

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Speaker 4: That was the owner that did that.

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Speaker 5: And then I look and I see and by the way,

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Speaker 5: I totally get four and thirteen and you want everything

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Speaker 5: clean five and eighteen. And I told I mean, that's

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Speaker 5: don't disappoint it to me.

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Speaker 4: I realize right now I'm spinning into the wind.

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Speaker 5: But you talk about a franchise, it was just more

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Speaker 5: abund It was awful, and he lifted it up with

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Speaker 5: some of his moves, right. I mean, you look at

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Speaker 5: the draft choices and you've got four guys from the

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty one draft class. Here you had nine different

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Speaker 5: guys from the twenty twenty three class start more than

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Speaker 5: two games this season for the Jaguars. He's done a

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Speaker 5: pretty good job with the draft. And he moved backwards twice,

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Speaker 5: giving you extra third and fourth round picks this year,

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Speaker 5: and still got Brian Thomas Junior. You want to talk

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Speaker 5: about free agency, I get at Eric Armstead, Ronald Darby,

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Speaker 5: Darnell Savage, waste the money that gave you nothing this year.

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Speaker 5: But he also gave you Rayshawn Jenkins, who gave you

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Speaker 5: in twenty twenty two the two plays that got you

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Speaker 5: returned for the touchdown. Right, And he gave you Evan Ingram,

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Speaker 5: who gave you one hundred and fourteen catches last year.

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Speaker 5: And Christian Kirk. And you know just one more thing.

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Speaker 5: When I saw him in twenty twenty two, signed Christian

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Speaker 4: I saw a guy who knew what he was doing.

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Speaker 5: He was backfilling the free agents, because you don't want

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Speaker 5: to build with free agents with young players who are

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Speaker 5: making plays for.

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Speaker 4: This football team.

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Speaker 5: So in saying all of that, I just don't understand

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Speaker 5: the level of vitriol that you see with Trent. That's

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Speaker 5: the part that surprises me. And just one last thing

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Speaker 5: on this, if they get Ben Johnson and the owner,

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Speaker 5: clearly john believes that what he has to offer here

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Speaker 5: with a quarterback, with the salary cap, with draft choices,

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Speaker 5: with facilities, with warm weather no stated he firmly believes.

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Speaker 4: He can get the guy that he wants.

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Speaker 5: He said that yesterday and I'm told by other people

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Speaker 5: he believes that if they go sign Ben Johnson. Do

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Speaker 5: you really care who the general manager is? I'm not

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Speaker 5: sure people do. I think that solves that problem. So

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Speaker 5: the thing that surprises me consistently is just how much

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Speaker 5: people just don't like him.

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Speaker 2: Emotions of definite running high. I think after a tough year,

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Speaker 2: everyone's feeling a lot of things, and this is how

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Speaker 2: it's coming out right now. We're going to continue to

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Speaker 2: talk it out. A couple of hot takes coming out

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Speaker 1: Now, you know we are the most predictable team on

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Speaker 1: both sides of the ball, okay and football, you know,

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Speaker 1: to win deception is a big part of it. Unpredictability.

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Speaker 1: If you know exactly what we're going to do on

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Speaker 1: offense or defense, you know you better have D twenty

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Speaker 1: two best players you know to help us win a

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Speaker 1: football game. So being unpredictable is I think it's modern football,

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Speaker 1: and you know we have to be able to show

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Speaker 1: that on the field.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back into jag Exam on Monday. We do hot

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Speaker 2: takes and normally we give you one of our hot takes,

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Speaker 2: but I think there was a couple of hot takes

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Speaker 2: in that availability yesterday with Shadkan and Trent Balky, so

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Speaker 2: we're going to take our hot takes from there. And

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Speaker 2: right off the top, shod Con saying this team is

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Speaker 2: too predictable. The Jaguars need to be unpredictable, Is that true?

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Speaker 2: Or do they just need some better players?

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Speaker 5: Well, well, I mean the great example of this is

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Speaker 5: the Packers for years and years. I mean Bart Starr

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Speaker 5: used to it, We're gonna run it right here, right,

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Speaker 5: I mean it's you couldn't stop them. They were so

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Speaker 5: much better. So, yes, you need better players. But John,

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Speaker 5: I think what they need to do is do the

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Speaker 5: predictable things better. I mean, you look at the Lions

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Speaker 5: and all of the the and I bring them up

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Speaker 5: obviously because of the Ben Johnson interest. You know, all

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Speaker 5: of the things that they do, the hook and ladder

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Speaker 5: tackles who become eligible. Well, it's because they do the

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Speaker 5: little things well, right, I mean they can run the ball,

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Speaker 5: they can execute on third down. For the Dagwars to

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Speaker 5: become unpredictable means that they've got to play better with

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Speaker 5: the things that everyone can tell they're going to do.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's a little bit of a chicken

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Speaker 3: You can be unpredictable.

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Speaker 3: You're getting rolled well.

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Speaker 5: And you look at Josh Allen, who Josh heinz Al

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Speaker 4: He had lots of pressures.

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Speaker 5: I mean he was always around the quarterback, but he

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Speaker 2: Let's move to our second hot take from that inter availability,

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Speaker 2: I should say Trent Bulk says they're going to go

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Speaker 2: John obviously, Sean conn thinks there's a lot of good things,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it can be a quick flip, meaning I firmly

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Speaker 3: Games, to back to competitive.

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Speaker 6: I think you can get back to competitive in an

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Speaker 6: That is doable. Getting what we all want is get

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Speaker 4: Well, two things stand out.

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Speaker 5: One, the quarterback has to emerge from two injury plagued seasons.

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Speaker 5: then that goes a long way towards solving a lot

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Speaker 5: Go do it again. That's where it's on him. And

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think Brian's first thing as we get further

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Speaker 4: It's all the quarterback.

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Speaker 6: The Trevor's got to be more special and more elite

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Speaker 3: It's got to get back on. Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Our third hot take today is gonna come from the

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Speaker 2: and they were cleaning things out Yesterday, Eric Armstead talked

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm gonna move back inside next year. That that's

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Speaker 8: But you know, there's there's situations that you have to

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Speaker 2: gonna do that next year. So I'll take Airic crimsaid

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's laying it at the feet of the defensive staff.

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Speaker 5: I guess, you know, this was a mistake on my part.

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Speaker 5: This was one of the guys John that I thought, Okay, listen,

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Speaker 5: because that's what he had always been in San Francisco.

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Speaker 4: He'd been a Pro Bowl caliber player. He has the height, he.

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Speaker 4: Thought okay, and then he.

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Speaker 5: Started playing, So I just listen, we don't have a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm flummixed and.

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Speaker 6: I don't know what to say this because I've been

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Speaker 6: asked so many times what was going on with this?

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Speaker 3: I guess maybe the best.

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Speaker 6: Thing to do with the Eric Armstead story is he's

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Speaker 3: Evidently he's playing tackle.

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Speaker 6: I think the new coordinators will be thrilled to learn

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Speaker 3: Have it through the season.

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Speaker 4: We'll be riding a success story.

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Speaker 5: Sure, hope what happens to because now all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a legitimate concern.

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Speaker 6: I would guess that it wouldn't because you can rotate there,

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Speaker 3: Is about stay with us.

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Speaker 2: Where you are going to hear a little bit more

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Speaker 9: Obviously, it's unfortunate because at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: Well, I've received a Christian Kirk in here yesterday kind

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Speaker 2: Some person has to take the fall. John, But uh,

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Speaker 2: I think there's an understanding that they all need to

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: get fired. They also know from being around that locker

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Speaker 6: room that there were plays that didn't get made.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 6: Trayvon Walker mentioned it that there was a lull when

443
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Speaker 6: they were losing where he wasn't sure that everybody was

444
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Speaker 6: brought in w was going right? And you know, Trayvon,

445
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,560
Speaker 6: it's a different level, but he's been around Georgia's success

446
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 6: national championships.

447
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Speaker 4: He sort of knew wasn't right. Now.

448
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Speaker 6: Part of that's the coach bringing that right, But a

449
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:07,919
Speaker 6: little bit is the guy is saying, hey, this is

450
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,480
Speaker 6: our team. It's a players league. Those guys matter who's

451
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:13,880
Speaker 6: leading have to do a better job of that next year.

452
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Speaker 3: Collectively. I mean, I'm not talking about those three, but collectively,

453
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Speaker 3: it's gotta be uh more of a wanted Oh.

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Speaker 2: Let's hear from Trayvon as well. We have him talking yesterday.

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Speaker 10: Definitely something that me personally, I don't wanna hear the

456
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Speaker 10: I think he's a great coach. Uh he He's done

457
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Speaker 10: some great things of this organization on Uh, he's a

458
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,400
Speaker 10: great guy, great coach. Like I said, I wouldn't wish

459
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Speaker 10: that on anyone. But no, it's life. We all based

460
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Speaker 10: with obstacles in life and we just gotta keep going.

461
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Speaker 2: So obviously, you know, Doug had a ton of respect

462
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Speaker 2: in that locker room, and I don't think anyone's saying

463
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Speaker 2: he's a bad football coach. It it's unfortunate the way

464
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Speaker 2: things worked out, the way things panned out here, and

465
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Speaker 2: I wonder what they'll kind of go. We'll talk tomorrow

466
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Speaker 2: more about what that coaching search is gonna look like,

467
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Speaker 2: but I wonder what kind of personality they'll look to

468
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Speaker 2: bring in or what kind of style.

469
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Speaker 5: Well, it was interesting, you know a lot of the

470
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Speaker 5: veteran players were asked what do you want? And none

471
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Speaker 5: of them knew what to answer, in part out of

472
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Speaker 5: respect for Doug, because the question itself says, hey, what

473
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Speaker 5: do you want that you weren't getting here right. But

474
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Speaker 5: the other side of it was they had such respect

475
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Speaker 5: for Doug. Doug played the game, had been in the

476
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Speaker 5: league for thirty years, and I don't know that it

477
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Speaker 5: was anything that they saw in Doug that they think

478
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Speaker 5: they needed to have. I thought the respect was well

479
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 5: founded for him in that sense. It goes back to accountability,

480
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,399
Speaker 5: and these guys know that if this team is going

481
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Speaker 5: to go anywhere, it's going to be on them.

482
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Speaker 4: They're all going to have to do more.

483
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Speaker 5: And John, that seems so easy to say, you go

484
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Speaker 5: to do more on the field, but it isn't just

485
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,639
Speaker 5: doing more on the field. It's doing more off the

486
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 5: field away from the building off season. It's about taking

487
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Speaker 5: ownership of your career and your impact in this locker

488
00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:00,080
Speaker 5: room and projecting it and getting away from FOOTBA a

489
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 5: little bit, but not too far so that you understand

490
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 5: that your preparation and what you bring to the table

491
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,640
Speaker 5: when you leave this building every night during the season

492
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Speaker 5: or when you're around here in the off season, it's

493
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,160
Speaker 5: on you. You've got to be your best otherwise you don't

494
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Speaker 5: last in this league.

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Speaker 6: It's needing to win and having it be something that

496
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,919
Speaker 6: you can't live without. And I'm not sure that you

497
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:21,360
Speaker 6: have enough of that.

498
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Speaker 3: Whoever the head coach is my first move a Trevor.

499
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Speaker 6: I have a leadership council, whatever, treymon Walker and everybody

500
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 6: doesn't shut the door because you need him. He progressed

501
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Speaker 6: in this direction this year, in year four, next year.

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Speaker 6: Outside of Trevor Lawrence, this needs to be treymon Walker's

503
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 6: team because he's a guy that you look to in

504
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,120
Speaker 6: terms of approach, in terms of desire, that you can

505
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Speaker 6: build around his persona.

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Speaker 5: Well and listen, as a player on the field, We've

507
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Speaker 5: been talking about how good he is in so many situations.

508
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 5: But look, they don't make it overtime if he doesn't

509
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 5: get that sack in all likelihood, right, it's third and

510
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 5: three at the fifty yard line, Joe Flacco's carving you up,

511
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 5: and he comes around the corner and makes the sack

512
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,679
Speaker 5: that forced them to punt in the Jags get to

513
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 5: overtime and have a chance. He's that good of a player,

514
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 5: and I'm not sure that people so widely recognize just

515
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 5: how good he is. But he's good on the field,

516
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 5: he's good off the field, in the community, in the

517
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 5: locker room.

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Speaker 4: He's a terrific football player.

519
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Speaker 3: You're so right, well, Betj's best player on the team.

520
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 3: Trayvine is close to yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think the interesting thing about I will say both

522
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,400
Speaker 2: of them. Brian not quite there yet, but Trayvon makes

523
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 2: people around him better too, which I think we don't

524
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 2: give him a ton of credit for. But he covers

525
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,159
Speaker 2: up a lot of things I think sometimes and obviously

526
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 2: what he's been able to do to help Josh and

527
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 2: if they ever get a rush from the middle, they'll

528
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 2: have something really going there. But his having players that

529
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,880
Speaker 2: can make other people better is something you absolutely need.

530
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Speaker 2: And obviously we need to see that more from Trevor

531
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 2: as well, but to have some others that can do

532
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 2: it is huge. So say with us, we'll talk a

533
00:25:58,240 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 2: little bit more about what's coming up this week, and

534
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 2: we'll talk a little bit more about this coaching search.

535
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Speaker 2: I mean.

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Speaker 1: I talked to the players regularly, Okay, so and I

540
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 1: don't want to identify Trevor or anyone else by name,

541
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: but uh, you know, listen to you know what's going

542
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 1: to make them successful. But this isn't, you know, let's

543
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: be clear, a second coming of Aaron Rodgers two point oh. Okay,

544
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: so it's it's I mean, you know, we're going to

545
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 1: do the right thing for the team, and obviously our

546
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 1: goal is if Trevor doesn't get better, the other players

547
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: don't get better, we're not gonna win. So the coaches

548
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 1: coming in know who our foundational players are and they

549
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 1: have to be committed to, you know, making them better.

550
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 2: Owner Shad Cohn was asked about whether he would be

551
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 2: consulting Trevor Lawrence when he was making the selection for

552
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 2: the new head coach, and he said he does talk

553
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 2: to the players, he consults with them, but it's not

554
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 2: gonna be an Aaron Rodgers situation in New York, which

555
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 2: a nice little dig for no reason, but I appreciated

556
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 2: it anyway, And so I think more the question would be,

557
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 2: is you need someone that comes in and believes they

558
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 2: can work with Trevor and get him to that point

559
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 2: that we need him to be at, right, because at

560
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 2: this point, you don't want to be wasting this section

561
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 2: of his career where, if he can stay healthy, should

562
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 2: be entering a prime time of his career and they

563
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 2: need to come in be able to get him that level,

564
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 2: and whatever their planner method might be will be a

565
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 2: big part of this process.

566
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Speaker 5: I'm sure that's the reason that everybody is so hot

567
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 5: on Ben Johnson because what he's been able to do

568
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 5: with Jared Goff. And yeah, I mean that's why I

569
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 5: would be so interested in that as well. But if

570
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 5: Ben Johnson doesn't end up here, that doesn't mean they

571
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 5: won't find somebody that can come and do it as well. Remember,

572
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 5: I mean Dan Campbell hired Benjasen, and I would say

573
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,439
Speaker 5: most people don't know or didn't know who Ben Johnson was.

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00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 5: That would be the question that I have for every

575
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 5: single candidate. Tell me who's going to get my quarterback

576
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 5: to that point? The offensive coordinator, quarterback coach is the

577
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 5: most important person that my new head coach is going

578
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 5: to bring in.

579
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Speaker 6: Yeah, if Sean gets a feeling of any candidate that

580
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 6: he's not one hundred percent all in in his heart

581
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 6: and soul on Trevor Lawrence, move on, because that's got

582
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 6: to work.

583
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 3: And if and I think.

584
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 6: They'll get somebody who's who they really really want. If

585
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 6: it's a Ben Johnson, if it's another offensive, you can

586
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 6: guarantee they wouldn't even be taking the interview if from

587
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 6: afar they didn't believe this kid could do it. So

588
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 6: stay tuned.

589
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 5: Do you think, just as a question, do you think

590
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 5: that this job is the most attractive.

591
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 4: Job out there right now? Because that's listen, that's.

592
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 5: The narrative with people who believe that Trent Balkey is

593
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 5: slowing it down, that he'll keep them from being there.

594
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 5: The owner is obviously betting that that he can make

595
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 5: this the most attractive job.

596
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Speaker 4: Where do you place it? Do you think it's you know,

597
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 4: top one or two?

598
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Speaker 6: I don't cover the other team, so I don't know

599
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,719
Speaker 6: the details. I do know, you know, it's the old cliche.

600
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 6: You're in Florida, you have an owner who is not

601
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 6: a quick trigger owner and who everybody out there shod con.

602
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 3: This shod con that.

603
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Speaker 6: Coaches measure owners by patients by staying out of the

604
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Speaker 6: way and.

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Speaker 3: Do they support well.

606
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Speaker 6: Nobody in the league is going to tell anybody that

607
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 6: shod Con doesn't support in terms of money, in terms

608
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 6: of and so whether it's the best job in the

609
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 6: league or not depends on how people feel about Traver

610
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 6: good point.

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Speaker 2: So we'll be with you guys one more day this week.

612
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 2: We'll talk a little bit about some of those coaching

613
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 2: interviews that are gonna be taking place and some possible

614
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 2: candidates here, and also just a little bit of a

615
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 2: preview about free agency and what the off season is

616
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Speaker 2: going to look like for the team. That's a great

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Speaker 2: things