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Speaker 2: Could fix it. He can somehow cover the accounts, make

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Speaker 1: This particular example I'm going to give is NFL star

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Speaker 2: I remember him being a complete lunatic.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but he was good and a lot of teams

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Speaker 1: Do you know the name, Katie or is he before

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well you can weigh you know, if your personal

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Speaker 2: I couldn't decide whether or make a joke or not

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Speaker 1: What's interesting about Romanowski and is his very tan, attractive

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Speaker 2: I think there are some people who've done that, who

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Speaker 1: So if I got in his head, I'd be thinking, Hey,

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Speaker 4: No, I'm I'm along the lines of thinking he just

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Speaker 1: That just seems crazy to me. I think one of

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Speaker 2: Yes, and they might indeed get a sense of entitlement.

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Speaker 2: How do I phrase this because that term is overused

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Speaker 1: I deserve this, Katie.

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Speaker 2: You know, in terms of Romanowski situation, Katie may and

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Speaker 3: Well, just on like a smaller scale.

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Speaker 4: well they didn't. But it was like a mentality like

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Speaker 2: Well, most criminals on the streets think that, and they're right,

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Speaker 1: Your idea that it's the same thing, just a larger scale.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of like the Charles Barkley talking about all

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Speaker 2: So I'm pretty well acquainted. Was with another NFL player

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Speaker 1: I hope I don't just ever somehow ignore the reality

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Speaker 1: I don't feel like my sleep and diet is in

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Speaker 2: But hu't.

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Speaker 1: H I think my brain, brain and or heart is

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Speaker 2: It's possible.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I do have the attitude that it wouldn't happen

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Speaker 4: Really appreciate you incorporating some greens into your diet.

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Speaker 2: It that's a good idea, and we recommend Bill Romanowski's

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Speaker 3: some prunes to Jack Well. I guess that's it.