WEBVTT - Going Down Under 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:05.320 Ka boom. If you thought four hours a day, minutes 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:09.120 a week was enough, think again. He's the last remnants 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:12.400 of the old republic, a sole fashion of fairness. He 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:15.440 treats crackheads in the ghetto cutter the same as the 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:19.840 rich pill poppers in the penthouse the Clearinghouse of hot 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:23.560 takes break free for something special. The Fifth Hour with 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:29.840 Ben Maller starts right now. A key wee delight. We 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:36.600 are in the air everywhere the vast powerful network of 0:00:36.720 --> 0:00:40.960 I heart podcasting, the global reach and you've obviously found 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:43.400 the podcast. You know, wherever you get your podcast, you 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:45.800 can find us where there's on iHeart or any of 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:50.000 the platforms that carry podcast and we thank you. This 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:52.839 a spinoff of the radio show. We don't do guests 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:55.760 on the radio show. This is an interview podcast and 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:58.240 we will welcome in a friend in a minute. But 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:00.160 first of all, we've got to be asked for for 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:02.760 at least a couple of minutes, and for better or 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:10.080 worse yet again, joined by David Gascony for better, Ben always, always, always. 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:12.080 For about the last week, a lot of complaints about 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:15.080 the quality of the audio. Very upset by that, you 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:17.280 know they can complain. Why don't we complain about the 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:22.119 people listening to the audio. Yeah, no, we should complain 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:24.320 about them about them, yeah, I mean, and we don't 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:26.039 know who they are. I don't you know, Well, of 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:27.959 course you do. They're the ones kind of reaching out 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:32.839 to you email, text messages, Facebook posts, tweets. That's true, 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:35.759 a lot of complaints all platforms. People were complaining about 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:38.200 the audio, so they were complaining about the free content 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:42.120 they were getting. Yes, yes, that is that is correct. 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:46.800 That is accurate. So uh, anyway, before we get into 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:49.480 the person, I'm actually excited to talk to this guy 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:52.360 because I've known him for years and he's another one 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:54.960 of my radio friends. I don't have too many radio friends, 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:57.440 but I consider him a radio friend, even though we've 0:01:57.480 --> 0:02:00.840 never actually met. Kind of dancing around this, but before 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:02.680 we get to that. I was very excited the other 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:05.400 day because I did another cameo guests Gun And the 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:09.400 only place I've mentioned my my cameo is on the podcast. 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:12.400 I haven't talked about it. I've maybe made some loose 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:15.799 references on radio on the radio show, but I haven't. 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:17.960 I don't think i've tweeted out anything. I don't think 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:20.880 i've put anything on the Facebook page or Instagram, which 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:22.680 is that they tell you to do that. They tell 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:24.639 you the people a cameo say you should put that 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:27.000 on Twitter, put that on Instagram. No, the only place 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:29.639 I talked about it is on the podcast. And if 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:31.560 you don't know what cameo is pretty cool. There's like 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:33.600 really big name people and then there's like nobody's like 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:36.160 me that are on there and uh, and you can 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:38.560 get a personalized video message and it doesn't have to 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:40.840 be you know, typically they say it's for birthdays or 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:43.959 for you know, big big events, weddings, you know, anniversaries, 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:45.360 things like that, which is all good stuff. It's all 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:47.200 good stuff to do that, but it doesn't have to 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:50.200 be I mean, I've had people who have requested cameos 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:55.000 for name Rundowns, your nickname Rundowns, or or just wanted 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:57.600 to hear a rift about you know, some random topic 0:02:57.680 --> 0:02:59.519 or something like that. I have yet to get one 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:02.800 where you want asked for for Bella, for Bella to 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:04.520 be in the video that does not happened. I think 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:05.920 that might be a little tough because I gotta hold 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:08.040 the camera and then hold Bella. That might be tough. 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:10.639 But I'm only to try it. But anyway, so check 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:13.200 that out if you want. It'd be great. A lot 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:16.240 of stuff on the weekends pops up there, it seems 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:18.720 when we do the podcast, people and hey, that sounds 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:21.079 like a good idea and big super fans of the show. 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:27.120 So it's cameo dot com, Ben Mallard and uh, guests gone, 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:30.600 you're on there also right at David J. Gascon, Ben, 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:33.440 I was, I was looking online in honor of your 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:36.280 your guests, that your buddy that comes on and visiting 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:38.800 us here the next couple of minutes. Um, we could 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:42.360 get even during a pandemic, we can get round trip 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:47.280 tickets twelve dollars to fly down Under. And I know 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:49.720 you need some leg space, and I thinking today's climate, 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:53.200 today's pandemic, you'd probably find a lot of leg space 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:55.640 on the seven seventies seven right now, given the fact 0:03:55.640 --> 0:03:59.560 that most people aren't flying, especially overseas and down How 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:01.880 long is that flight? How long is that? I want 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:05.000 to say it is a fourteen hour flight. No, it's 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:09.400 twelve hours and fifty five minutes. Oh man, this is beautiful. 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:14.600 It's a long time. No. Uh, I wasn't a plane 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:17.520 one time. For twelve hours. But that was because we 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:22.080 got grounded at O'Hare in a lightning storm. We had taxied, 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:24.680 we had started to get ready for the takeoff. We 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:27.400 had left the gate. Then they said, wait a minute, 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:31.000 there's a storm coming in off Lake Michigan or whatever, 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:33.880 and so we tried to come back but we couldn't. 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:36.279 There was no gate available, so way to park the plane, 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:39.479 and that storm took a couple of hours to pass over. 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:42.400 Now are you saying like lightning and thunder and rain? 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:46.719 Are you saying gunfire? No? No, No, it's although it 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:49.240 sounds you know that the thunder and all that kind 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:52.480 of sounds like like like that. But but anyway, Yeah, 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:53.919 so I know, I don't really want to spend that 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:55.599 long in a play. I'd like to go. I'd like 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:57.520 to go and can you beat me up or something 0:04:57.520 --> 0:04:59.360 like that. We can talk to elon Musk. I'm sure 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:01.800 I'll have something an act couple of years exactly right, 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:05.800 Uh hey, before we forget, you know. Twitter Ben Maller, Instagram, 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:09.440 Ben Maller on Fox, Facebook, Ben Maller's show Gustcon. You're 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:12.320 on most of those Twitter at David Jake Gascon Instagram 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:16.719 at Dave Gascon. Alright, so joining us on today's edition 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:20.240 of the Fifth Hour, I am excited to welcome a 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:24.120 grizzled veteran of the radio wars and someone that I 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:28.839 worked with as a colleague as an international correspondent for 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:33.800 over a decade. Darcy walder Grave. Now Darcy walder Grave 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:36.440 does radio in New Zealand in Auckland, New Zealand, which 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:39.920 is a big metropolis of a city there in New Zealand, 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:43.240 the biggest city in New Zealand. And uh, it's an 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:47.080 interesting guy. He's gonna give us the New Zealand perspective 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:53.000 on how they see American sports life in America. I imagine, Well, 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:55.599 at some point get to the famous name of the 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:58.520 national team, they're the All Blacks, which always comes up 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:01.680 on our show, showing that up at some point. So 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:06.200 Darcy had it been on the radio for almost two decades, 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:09.880 and he actually had and I know we'll get to 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:14.520 this as well, his network. When the apocalypse began, they 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:18.760 shut the entire thing down, They fired everybody. Everyone was 0:06:18.800 --> 0:06:22.440 out of work that had been broadcasting as a part 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:25.400 of that. So let's give it up here for Darcy 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:29.359 waldor Gray, my longtime radio friend and Darcy, how the 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:32.480 heck is live treating you? My man? I'm good. I'm 0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:34.760 sitting here as the sun's coming out and good old 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:36.479 New Zealand, and I've got my hat on my left 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:41.480 and I'm gonna my dressing game. And the beautiful woman 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:43.680 that I just meet three weeks ago, I was asleep 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:47.400 in my day, so I couldn't be happier. That's a 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:50.119 good thing. That's a great start. That is a good start. 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:53.520 So what is that, Darcy for? I think most people 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:55.600 who we obviously talked about this already in the open 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:59.560 for this podcast. But we worked together remotely for how 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:01.560 long was I on? I was on your show when 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:03.960 you started you were doing a morning show when I 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:08.039 first popped on as an international correspondent. But we we 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:11.640 worked together for it probably about ten years, I think, 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:15.840 somewhere around that neighborhood right somewhere. Tenious plus. Yeah, that 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:18.280 was a long time on my um hold on my 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:21.720 Little Girls coming Up team, and I was doing the 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:26.280 breakfast show at Radio Sports when um I when when 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:29.360 my wife was pregnant with her my ex wife. So 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:33.160 that's that's yes, it's tenious plus yeah. And uh, and 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:36.240 so when I when I talked and on my show, 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:38.760 I talked about your show and in your your station 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:40.920 carried the show. But people are like, why would you 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:43.000 know a station in New Zealand and network in New 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:48.160 Zealand want to have somebody on from the US. But like, explain, Darcy, 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:51.760 like you've covered sports there a long time, Like how 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:55.880 what American sports are big in New Zealand? Like what where? 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:58.680 Where is the pulse of the people there when it 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:02.320 comes to the sports in North America, it's quite it's 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:05.400 quite funny. It's it's almost almost cool to have an 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:09.160 American sports team. There's a great movement of New Zealand 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:12.520 sports fans that have chosen and they've got American basketball 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:15.440 teams that they follow, American football teams that they follow, 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:18.560 American hockey teams that they follow. That there are three 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:20.800 main sports. Obviously, there's a lot of people who enjoy 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:24.200 golfing as you guys see going thinking them and around 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:27.040 at golf. Of course, Tiger Woods is huge, and we're 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:29.360 always keen to listen to what's going on in America. 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:32.400 But's it's basketball, football, and it's hockey. And then there 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:34.920 are three sports that a lot of guys really really 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:37.280 hook and do it. Say guys, because genially it's men. 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:40.160 There's a lot of women as well into their American sports. 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:42.839 There's there's something about it, and there's our breakfast. Guys 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:46.120 probably took more American sport than New Zealand sport in 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:49.160 the morning sometimes, which can can infuriate some people. But 0:08:49.480 --> 0:08:51.920 there's a there's a huge movement. People really always have 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:53.840 their teams, may identify with the team. I'm not quite 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:56.160 sure how they catch up with their teams, but they 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:58.760 identify with these teams. And a lot of people go 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:01.079 back to the States, go to the States just to 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:04.560 experience live sport in the States, be at basketball or 0:09:04.559 --> 0:09:06.520 football or hockey. They're the ones that they get a 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:09.800 real kick on it. I've chosen to follow the worst 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:13.280 teams in American sport just because of funny more than 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:16.240 anything else. And you know, being that, I started following 0:09:16.240 --> 0:09:19.600 the Jackson Bille Jaguars on your recommendation because they were, 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:22.280 as you'd like to score it, a dumpster fire. So 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:24.319 I've been following the dumpster fire for a number of 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:27.400 years now. I find it highly entertaining my own personal 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:31.200 involvement like everybody else. When Michael Jordan's first got onto 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:33.760 the scene. I was a massive basketball fan of the 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:35.880 Bulls right the way through that dynastry. I used to 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:38.440 sell real estate back in the days um and I 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:41.320 was a realtor, and I used to disappear from the 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:44.080 office around about mid day every time Jordan was on, 0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:46.199 go to the local pub over the road and sit 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:48.480 there for four hours. Instead of selling real estate, I'll 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:53.439 be watching his anders playball and hockey. I have no idea. 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:55.400 I've watched it live a few times over here, but 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:57.360 it's just too fast. I can't even watch the park. 0:09:57.400 --> 0:09:59.120 I can't even follow. I don't know what those guys 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:02.880 are doing. I just no, they really fit and really aggressive. Yeah, 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:05.200 well that's the same compla because here, like with hockey, 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:08.160 that the problem is it doesn't translate to television very much. 0:10:08.160 --> 0:10:09.959 You've got to like be in the arena to watch 0:10:10.000 --> 0:10:13.560 it in In that way, it's more enjoyable and and 0:10:13.600 --> 0:10:16.760 as as a real estate mugul Darcy, I think it's 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:19.520 expected that you don't actually do your job and you 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:21.400 just kind of hang out and watch sports a lot. 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:23.640 Like it's like those sales guys at radio stations that 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:25.439 golf all the time. You know, it's like that same, 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:28.959 that same concept, right, because in real estate, you sell 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:31.040 a house, you're making a great profit on that right 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:32.920 of a great return and you don't have to sell 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:36.120 that many houses. Yeah, but all was terrible. Let's not 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:38.439 forget that. I mean, I look at myself. I was 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:40.480 twenty three years old when I started selling real estate, 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:43.240 and who would buy a house, a used house off 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:45.920 the twenty three year old guy with a sports habit 0:10:45.960 --> 0:10:48.240 on the side. It was. It was a disaster to 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:49.640 be frank. I did it for two and a half 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:51.839 years and and I really realized that I was never 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:53.480 gonna make any money out of it. More, I really 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:55.120 wanted that there was get on the radio and talk. 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:58.440 So I left real estate and I became even more 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:02.040 impoverioused and chased my dream of being a radio host. 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:04.040 And then I moved up to Auckland, and after a 0:11:04.080 --> 0:11:06.280 year and a half of serving drunks and cleaning astrays 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:08.360 in a local bar, I got a break to do 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:11.560 the night show at at Radio Sport, the national station. 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:13.560 So I did a show from eight to on midnight, 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:15.960 and I did that for four years. I was very stubborn. 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:17.720 I refused to leave and then I kind of moved 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:21.160 up through the ranks. And then only three or four 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:23.160 months ago, at the start of COVID, the powers that 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:26.600 be at en Z Meat, which is our parent company, 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:29.160 decided that radio sport up to twenty two years was 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:30.960 no more and they pulled the plug on it. They 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:34.200 gassed us, and that ended my eighteen year career as 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:36.960 a radio host. But I'd like to see myself as 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:39.719 a cockroach. And I lived for eighteen years under the 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:41.920 radio sports fridge. And when they moved the fridge, I 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:44.560 scuttled under the News Talk zb oven and I'm living 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:46.840 there now. And News Talks d B as the runaway 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:50.400 juggonnaut of broadcast radio talk radio here in New Zealand. 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:54.280 So I was handed a lifeline by the people at 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:57.480 News Talks d be so dramatic cut an hour's reasonable, 0:11:57.520 --> 0:11:59.360 dramatic cut and salary. To be fair, I've lost a 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:02.680 lot of my fat. But I'm doing something I absolutely loved. 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:04.960 And uh, as long as I got enough to buy 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:07.760 myself the odd CROSSI beer of the weekend, and uh, 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:09.480 you know, play for a bit of food and put 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:11.360 my girl through school, IL really don't care. And I'm 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:13.760 doing what I love and that's the main reason, that's 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:16.520 why I existed. Be sure to catch live editions of 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:19.120 The Ben Maller Show weekdays at two a m. Eastern 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:22.760 eleven pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:25.720 Heart Radio app. Well listen, it's it's great. And I 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:27.800 did want to talk about that, Darcy, because people were 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:30.640 you know, people have asked. I've gotten some some guys 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:33.040 who were big fans in New Zealand who started listening 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:36.079 to me because of your show, and and and Radio 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:39.320 Sport actually carried my the syndicated show some of the 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:43.360 Fox products overnight. Uh well, not even overnight. We were 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:45.040 on in the evenings, I guess right. We were on 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:47.320 kind of like late nights in New Zealand. They would 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:49.760 carry our show at night. And then I went on. 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:51.120 I was on with you for so long, and we 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:54.400 built up a little following there, the Mini Mallard Militia 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:56.400 in New Zealand, which was kind of cool. And then 0:12:56.440 --> 0:12:59.120 all of a sudden it stopped when the apocalypse hit. 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:02.520 And so you know what, give me the inside skinny 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:05.640 dicey was this? I mean, it certainly seems like they 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:08.880 just shut it down because of the pandemic, But was 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:10.760 this going to happen anyway? It was this just a 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:13.240 case where the people, the overlords of the radio station 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:15.640 just saw this as an opportunity to shut it down, 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:18.400 or were they never going to shut this down if 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:23.320 this pandemic hadn't happened. Well, a number of a number 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:28.040 of situations arose because of the pandemic. And previously we 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:32.680 Radio Sport was covering our national summer game cricket, which 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:34.640 is something I'm not even going to try and explain 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:37.880 to my American breather, and it's far too complex. I'll 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:40.800 put it that way. Eleven guys stand around on a 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:43.880 field wearing all white while two other guys wearing all 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:47.599 white with a bat all day there all day, The 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:51.319 innings go for six hours of the day, and they 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:55.160 go for five days and probably you know, six times 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:57.840 out of team, nobody wins the game after that. After 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:00.679 that five days, it's a very straight sports so and 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:03.080 trying to explain it to you, I could use some 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:05.679 baseball analogies, but even that would be too much. So 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:08.480 we covered that and that's how I got into actually 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:10.920 sport radio. I used to sit down in my backyard 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:13.959 hitting cherries, as a off my off my tree is 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:16.680 an eight year old boy listening to radio sports Sports 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:19.640 wound up coverage of live cricket and that started my 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:23.320 passing for the trade. So we lost the coverage rights 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:28.080 of that after seemed like generations and a lot of 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:30.600 people think that once the cricket wink, which is one 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:34.000 of our main stays, that that made it a little 0:14:34.000 --> 0:14:36.720 easier for the company maybe to let the concepts go 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:39.920 now that this is what people think. Management are like, No, 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:42.360 we we just could not afford to run it anymore 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:45.480 because we're a very expensive station. As you know, sports 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:49.120 rights do not come cheap when we cover off predominantly 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:51.280 we're a live sports station. We did a lot of rugby, 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:53.160 with a lot of rugby league, with a lot of cricket. 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:55.400 We covered as much as we could. We go to 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:57.640 Olympic games, we've got to come off games. We go 0:14:57.720 --> 0:14:59.800 to World Cups, we go to football World Cups. We 0:14:59.840 --> 0:15:02.560 got Rugby World guards, Cricket World Up. So we've seen 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:05.320 the palons of people over the cover these sports. And 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:08.440 even though the station itself made a lot of money, 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:11.360 it also cost a lot of money to run. And 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:13.040 I think when the bottom fell out of the market 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:15.120 and there was no money anymore. Some of the bean 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:18.160 counters we looked, listens, we can't justify this anymore. Um. 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:20.280 Other people will say the writing was on the wall 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:24.280 when we lost the cricket, so as a transpired, they went, look, 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:27.000 we can't do this anymore and they plugged it. It It 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:29.720 was a very surreal hour at the start of the 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:32.880 COVID crisis, sitting here on my couch being told by 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:36.200 everybody you know in management that the radio sport was 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:38.320 now long. It was that was I don't want to 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:40.440 trivialize death, but it was like a death in the family, 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:42.800 which is something that I've been doing, as I said, 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:45.640 for for eighteen years. It defines me as a human 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:49.480 and it was quite gut wrenching, and we thought it 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:52.000 might come back at the post COVID look and strange thing. 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:55.280 One of my favorite sayings, guys is the only constant 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:58.400 is change. So we don't know what the future might hold, 0:15:58.440 --> 0:15:59.920 We don't know how it goes. And now we're back 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:02.720 in the only place on the planet where you can 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:05.480 actually watch live sport and a crowd of people who 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:08.960 knows what may transpire over the coming years. It may 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:11.800 count back. But I can't hold onto those hopes. All 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:13.400 I know is that I've got a role at Newstalk 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:15.320 z B, and we do have live rugby coverage on 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:18.120 newstalks it be, and I've got I've got a role 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:20.800 in a position to to talk about sport and as 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:24.120 I said, the runaway juggon of talk radio in New Zealand. 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:27.760 So I can't look back at anger. I can't all 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:29.520 I can do. And this is what happened when COVID 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:33.520 came and strike us. My initial thought pretn was I 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:37.720 cannot change what's happened. I cannot control is what happened. 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:40.280 But I can control my reaction to what has happened. 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:42.480 And that's what I chose to do. And that's the 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:44.520 only way I think you can get ahead of things. 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:47.600 There's there's no point and crying over spilt milk, as 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:49.520 they say, though it's a lot of milk, it's a tanker. 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:52.840 I mean they're drowned catch everywhere. So that's basically in 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:54.600 a nutshells But we're not going to get up hope. 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:58.000 But currently as it stands, radio sport up to twenty 0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:01.600 two years of polluting the airway, UM just ticked off 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:04.800 and see good. Huh yeah, yeah, it's great. And and 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:07.160 it's it's weird because you were there eighteen years. I've 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:10.320 been at Fox Sports Radio for twenty. I can't I 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:12.879 can't believe it's been that long. And you know, these 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:17.000 the pandemic started in the advertising market globally went in 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:19.760 the toilet as as you know, don't you know. And 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:23.600 so it's it's a little it's a little frustrating because 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:26.159 we we both love doing radio and I love you know, 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:28.399 the fact you're you know, lifetime I consider you a 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:30.240 lifetime radio guy. Now you've been in so long and 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:33.600 so but without the advertising, you know, it's like we 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:36.720 had John Sterling, the Yankee broadcaster, on this podcast a 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:39.560 couple of weeks ago, and he pointed out, you got 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:41.840 to sell the soup. The most important part is you've 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:45.200 gotta sell it. And it's very difficult right now, uh, 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:47.320 in the in the business, and hopefully that's gonna turn around. 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:49.320 Has it turned around at all? In New Zealand, as 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:52.000 you said, you know, you've got live sports there and 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:56.520 things are seemingly more normal than here in America. Right now. 0:17:57.160 --> 0:18:01.280 I'm we're broadcasting from California. Darcy where the King of 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:03.720 California here has shut the entire state down again. But 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:05.639 it's not like that in New Zealand. So it is 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:08.680 the advertising market back is it's starting to come back. 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:12.520 Have I stood here and tried to tell you that 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:18.359 I understood the vagaries of advertising would be alive? Excuse me, 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:20.840 it's not COVID. It's okay, it's all right. I've had 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:23.240 to swap, I've had to thing up my nose. I'm fine. 0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:26.119 Us on the way back. We're really interested to be 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:28.080 here to see if there is a second wave. We 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:30.640 seem to be very good right now. We've only got 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:33.320 it's twenty two active cases and they're all on quarantine. 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:36.120 We're bringing people back New Zealand. Nationals are all coming 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:37.679 back on maths from the rest of the world so 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:41.000 they can actually live a regular life again. And the economy, 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:43.879 it hasn't tanked quite as much as people thought it 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:46.680 would that the housing market, for example, we have got 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:50.280 a very vibrant housing market and it's still going. It's 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:52.840 still charging along, and it's it's bizarre that that's the 0:18:52.840 --> 0:18:55.879 case when so many jobs have been lost. But I 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:59.840 think that we're waiting for the settling in time because 0:18:59.880 --> 0:19:03.640 the government have spent billions of dollars with job subsidies 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:07.000 and wage subsidies keeping people unemployment. Now they do it 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:09.879 to lapse, So we're in that lapses. Then will see 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:12.159 what the next way it actually looks like and how 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:16.880 much is out there. But we're pretty vibrant. Pretty what's 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:19.080 the best word to describe the way New Zealanders are. 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:22.119 We we work hard, we put our heads down, our 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:24.520 butts up, and don't look at things. I think this 0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:26.080 is a reason to fail. That we're just going to 0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:28.720 make it work, and I think that view on life 0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:30.760 is going to work out. Really, what's going to stand 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:33.160 Guys that I've been hearing the land we're about great 0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:36.159 big farm. Now we've got everything we need to survive. 0:19:36.200 --> 0:19:40.040