1 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to OOKF Daily with Meet 2 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 1: your Girl Danielle Moody. Pre recording from the Home Bunker. Folks, 3 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: Whenever I have the opportunity, as I've said this week, 4 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: to bring on friends of mine, genuine friends of mine 5 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: to the show and friends of the show, I'm always 6 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 1: deeply honored and please because it gives me an opportunity 7 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: to go beyond the headlines and to frankly the heart 8 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 1: of the matter, which is, as you know, where I 9 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: actually want to be taking this show. Waha hot Ali 10 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:50,279 Speaker 1: is a colleague, He is a friend, He is a 11 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: righteous warrior for justice, and he is also my co 12 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: host on Democracy Ish, which airs on Thursdays, Folks, and 13 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: if you're not checking out out you should wherever you 14 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 1: get your podcasts. And today's conversation with waj you know, 15 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: I didn't want to talk about what is trending in 16 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: the news, although we do bring it up. I wanted 17 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 1: to talk to him about what it means to be 18 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: a person of faith at a time when so many 19 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 1: people are feeling so dark, and to be a person 20 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: of faith in a faith and religion that is demonized, 21 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 1: even though it is billions strong what it means to 22 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: raise thoughtful, compassionate, empathetic global citizens. He has three kids, 23 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: and so today's conversation is about, you know, continuing the 24 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: work that we do that keeps us in the news, 25 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: in the acid rain every single day. But how do 26 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: we continue to hold on to our faith, our joy, 27 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: our purpose and not allow ourselves to become hardened and 28 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 1: distant and disconnected because of the despair and the grief 29 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: that we are seeing on our screens every single day. 30 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: So I hope that you take from this conversation some 31 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: tips and some tools to how to keep yourself spiritually 32 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: and emotionally and mentally well and how to continue to 33 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: want to be a part of the progress and the change, 34 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: because that's the kind of work that we need to 35 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: be doing, is recognizing our shared humanity. Coming up next 36 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: my conversation with my friend Waja hot Ali. Folks, I 37 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: am so excited whenever I get to do a crossover 38 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: mashup with this time of my favorite friends and Waja 39 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: hot Ali, author of Go Back to You to Go 40 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: Back to Where You Came from, Daily Bee's columnist and 41 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: my co host of one of my fifty eleven thousand podcasts, 42 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: Democracy Ish is in the Woke app house today and 43 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: I am grateful while we are pre recording this at 44 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: a time when there is just devastation, grief that is 45 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: raining down in our country, around the world, and people 46 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: are struggling, and because we happen to have decided to, 47 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: for whatever fucking reason, make a career out of analyzing, 48 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: out of analyzing chaos. I want to start off with 49 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: you as a human being, which is, you know, people 50 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: get some idea of what it's like to bathe in 51 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: acid rain on a regular basis, but that kind of 52 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: how I feel that this job has become and I 53 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: want to, you know, ask you from from whence you 54 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: came into this profession till now? 55 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 2: You know? How? 56 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: How how has how do you manage? How are you 57 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: managing through this chaos? 58 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 2: Some people bathe in acid rain. I play slip and slide. Uh, 59 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 2: you know that's I embrace it. I like, bring on 60 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 2: the toxicity, bring on the contaminated water. It's one of 61 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 2: It's a good question, and it's a question which really 62 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 2: I think it's a it's a question to ask many 63 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 2: of us because so many of us who do this, 64 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 2: what we do is like masochists. We voluntarily hurl ourselves 65 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 2: towards the bigots, and you kind of get and it's 66 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 2: it's important not to get numb, because you want to 67 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 2: recognize that, you know, ugliness and bigotry and hate should 68 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 2: not be just tolerated, right, Like you don't have to 69 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 2: just take it. And that's one of those things where 70 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 2: you have to realize that you know, I am a 71 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 2: human being, I have self worth. I realize that I've 72 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 2: created this type of implicit contract with the universe that 73 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 2: whenever you're a public figure, the universe will respond. Everyone's 74 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 2: a critic. But that doesn't mean that you have to 75 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 2: sit there and take people shit and abuse, right. And 76 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 2: that's something that like years ago as a writer, I 77 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 2: figured it out, like, yeah, you can give me your 78 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 2: unsolicited opinion, and sure you can come in and tell 79 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 2: me how to end my play and how I should 80 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 2: have started my article, even though you've never written anything before, 81 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 2: and you can think I've done. But I don't have 82 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 2: to sit there and indulge your ignorance, stupidity and hate. 83 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 3: I don't. 84 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 2: I can choose. 85 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:47,679 Speaker 3: This is a choice, folks, to ignore. 86 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,559 Speaker 2: And always the recommendation I give young journalists and writers, 87 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 2: especially those who ventured as social media. I'm like, ignoring 88 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 2: is a choice. You don't have to accept every fight 89 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 2: you're invited to. You can say, and you need that 90 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 2: for your mental health, and you need that for your 91 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 2: self worth. And there is not enough time in the day, Daniel. 92 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 2: The second thing is I think there is something to 93 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 2: be said about disposition. Some people like me, I think 94 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 2: are capable, not because I'm better than anyone of taking it. 95 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 3: I can take it. 96 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 2: I can take a lot more than most, and a 97 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 2: lot of stuff bounces off me, and I'm able to 98 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 2: respond in a way. I don't know if you've seen 99 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 2: my social media where I respond like Bugs Bunny and 100 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 2: not like Daffy Duck. Now what do I mean by that? 101 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 2: If you've ever seen the cartoons, folks, Bugs Bunny is 102 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 2: always chilling in his cubby hole. He's never bothering Yosemite 103 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 2: Sam or Elmer Fudd. He just like watching TV eating 104 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 2: his carrot. It's always Yousemite Sam and Elmer Fudd who 105 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 2: are messing up Bugs Bunny's date, right, And so what 106 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 2: Bugs Bunny does is he uses Elmer Fudd and Yusemite 107 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 2: Sam's traps against him. And he also has a little 108 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 2: fun while doing it. And so for me, Danielle, the 109 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 2: strategy that I've done and you could probably see in 110 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 2: my tweets and facebooks when I respond to some ignorant 111 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 2: comments is uh, I try to have a. 112 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 3: Little fun with it. 113 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 2: Now, people say, well, you're not going to change the 114 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 2: biggest opinion. 115 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 3: I won't. 116 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 2: But my audience is a global audience. And when I 117 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 2: want to show my audience is this is how you 118 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 2: can respond to hate. 119 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 3: Two. 120 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 2: This is how we can smile during the acid rain. 121 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 2: This is where I don't lose my joy. This is 122 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 2: where I don't lose my mind. This is where I 123 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 2: don't self hate. And I'll give you an example. Yesterday 124 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 2: someone forgot a comma, but I had a little fun. 125 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 2: He was trolling me because of course there's the hellish 126 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 2: chaos that's happening in Israel Gaza right now, and says 127 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 2: like what to do with Hamas w Jahat, But there 128 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 2: was no comma between Hamas and wa Ja Hut, And 129 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 2: so I said, I'm not Lamas w Jahat, I've never 130 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 2: met him. I'm American, overweight, left handed Jahat. Nice to 131 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 2: meet you, and all these people just like had to 132 00:07:59,920 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 2: like people are like man, I needed that laugh then yeah, yeah, 133 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 2: So that's how I respond. And also I will say 134 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 2: this is two things. I make sure I have a 135 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 2: space mental and spiritual where I cleave it off and 136 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 2: I lean into what gives me joy, you know, my kids, 137 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 2: my wife, food, whatever it is. And I recommend that 138 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 2: for everyone find spaces that give you joy. And the 139 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 2: second thing I will say is I forget sometimes, Danielle, 140 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 2: how you and I do is not for everyone. 141 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 3: Like I had a. 142 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 2: Friend, yeah last week, tell me, he openly said he's like. 143 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 2: I got trolled by one person on Twitter, which led 144 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 2: to like six tweets. It unhinged me all day and 145 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 2: it made me realize, oh shit, this is what you 146 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 2: deal with all the time. And you asked me this question, 147 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 2: I'll answer it. It really started with me with nine 148 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 2: to eleven. The first time I got told to go 149 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 2: back to where you came from was when I was 150 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 2: twenty one years old, yep, a student leader at MSA. 151 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 2: My email was on the cal Muslim Student Association website 152 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:09,199 Speaker 2: and guess who got all the hate mail? And it's 153 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,959 Speaker 2: been like that every day ever since. 154 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 1: I think that it is extraordinary one to be able 155 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: to slip and slide and acid rain. The imagery of 156 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 1: that we need to have somebody draw that cartoon and 157 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: you as bugs bunny just makes me. That brings me joy. 158 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: But being able to essentially have not like teflon down, 159 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: but to actually have like real thoughtfulness in how you 160 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: make a choice, a conscious decision not to take on 161 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 1: other people's shit, right that you can, because what I 162 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: feel happens with times that we are living in that 163 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: feel like you're just inundated everywhere you go, is that 164 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 1: you forget that you can turn it off. You forget 165 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: that you can walk away from the fights that are 166 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: beckoning you. You forget that you don't have to have 167 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: the news on for twenty four hours a day, seven 168 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: days a week, that you can choose something else. And 169 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: I think that you and I talked about this, you know, 170 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: last week on democracy issue, where we talked about choosing 171 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: humanity right, choosing humanity above all else. It seems like 172 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: a really old and kind of cliche thing to say, 173 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:34,079 Speaker 1: but it's like when you look around and all things 174 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: are going to hell, like literally hell in a handbasket. 175 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: I don't think that you can choose anything other than 176 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: humanity because the darkness like will just take hold of you. So, 177 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: you know, for you, you talked about you know, finding 178 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: joy through your children, through your faith, and I want 179 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: to give you an opportunity to talk about that faith, 180 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: to talk about out you know, because you are a 181 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: very faithful Muslim. You are practicing Muslim that are raising 182 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: three children, you know, in a country that does not 183 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 1: love you, and and a in a world where there 184 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: are billions that practice. But it is a religion that 185 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 1: has been demonized. Yeah, so what does it mean to 186 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 1: hold on to to a faith and to be so 187 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: faithful with a religion that has been placed in being 188 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 1: synonymous right with terrorism and hate? 189 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 2: So some dark humor And there's a joke I do 190 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 2: with my Muslim friends and they just shake their head, 191 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 2: but they laugh. Anytime you hear about like someone converting 192 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 2: to Islam, especially after nine to eleven, I'm like, why 193 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 2: did you choose the losing team? Are you sure about this? 194 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 4: There are other world religions, you know, and they and 195 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 4: then I'm like, I'm very suspect, you know, like are 196 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 4: you really Muslim or are you representing some like law enforcement? 197 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 2: Because why would you want to join us, especially in 198 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 2: America after nine to eleven some dark humor exactly because 199 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 2: you're part of a I think you said it in. 200 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 3: One of your videos which I laughed. The Big Three, it's. 201 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 2: Like, we got the Jews, we got the Christians, We've 202 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 2: got the muslim like the Hindus, Like what do I mean? 203 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 3: Like no, not you on the bench, not you on 204 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 3: the bench right now? 205 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 2: Like how about five r heres? No, no, no. But 206 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:34,959 Speaker 2: you know, the the interesting thing is, first and foremost, 207 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 2: I'm very cognizant as to why there is a rise 208 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 2: in the nuns n O n e s, not n 209 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 2: U n e s. It's because organized religion, the way 210 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 2: it has been practiced, in the way it has been 211 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 2: abused young generations, Danielle, even millennials, They're like, we don't 212 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 2: want this. Why do we want to bring in such 213 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 2: a toxic force that has brought us so much pain 214 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 2: and misogyny and racism and homophobia and cruel We're done 215 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 2: with it now. What's so fascinating is with the rise 216 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 2: of the nuns, which freaks out the Big Three. By 217 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 2: the way, I always tell the Big Three folks that 218 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 2: something my fellow believers. I'm like, first of all, understand 219 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 2: why people are leaving right. Secondly, when they're leaving this 220 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 2: what's fascinating. And then an answer to your question, people 221 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 2: are still surging, Daniel, it's not. People are so they'll 222 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 2: go to yoga, they'll go to cross fit, they'll go 223 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 2: to Coachella, they'll go to Burning Man. And when you 224 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 2: really like go like investigate, Look what's that root of this? 225 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 2: Human beings need connection. It's talking to a friend of 226 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 2: mine who who's a psychiatrist, very well educated in the 227 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 2: Bay Area, and I asked him recently, you know Boutuk's ago. 228 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 2: I said, what do most people come to you with? 229 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 2: He said, you know, there are people who have everything. 230 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,199 Speaker 2: They have the money, they have the zip code, they 231 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 2: have the job, picture perfect family. They don't have contentment. 232 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 2: They have anxiety, unrest, depression. So I'm like, what's the 233 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,959 Speaker 2: root cause of it? And he goes, people just need connection. 234 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 2: They need something firm, something to ground themselves with, something 235 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 2: you know, to feel something sincere with someone or something. 236 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 2: And this is why for me, I do believe in God. 237 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 2: That's what's so funny. People are like, your politics are 238 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 2: very progressive, but you're like a traditional Pakistani uncle at home, 239 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 2: you know, like three kids, you're a teetotaler. You've gone 240 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 2: to hudge, you pray. I'm like, it is very funny 241 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 2: for me. It gives me a connection and rudedness to 242 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 2: something bigger than myself. It allows me to connect to 243 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 2: force that allows me to recognize that in the grand 244 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 2: scheme of things, I'm but what nothing. 245 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 3: It makes me. 246 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 2: Realize that if you take away the divisions and the externalities, 247 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 2: we're all part of one collective goop. You know, everyone 248 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 2: has a spirit, everyone has a soul. It likes to 249 00:14:54,640 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 2: tap into a collective humanity. It allows me to think outside, 250 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 2: out of myself and that there's something greater Danielle than me. 251 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 2: There is a purpose to my life. There is limited time, 252 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 2: and what do I do with that time? How do 253 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 2: I choose to live my life and to exercise and 254 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 2: flex the privileges that I've been given right and then 255 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 2: the last thing it is it really deals with a 256 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 2: mindset for me, and so I can choose to be miserable, 257 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 2: or I can choose to invest in joy. I can 258 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 2: choose to see what the lack of everything, or I 259 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 2: could choose to see what's in front of me. I 260 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 2: could choose to be grateful, or I could choose to 261 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 2: be miserable. And for me, that's what that perspective, Danielle 262 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 2: is what has helped me navigate much of the you know, 263 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 2: crazy shit that's happened in life that you know about 264 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 2: that for me, it's given me that peace of mind 265 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 2: and peace of soul. And at the end of the day, 266 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 2: what I'll end with this is, you know, I've never 267 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 2: proselytized because I think it's a very personal relationship between 268 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 2: a person and God. And that's why I don't care 269 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 2: if you will do what you do what you gotta do. 270 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 2: But for me, I always tell people this, like, how 271 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 2: do you know of God existsingly? I don't know. But 272 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 2: what I do know is I have a limited time 273 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 2: on this earth, and with the time that I have, 274 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 2: this makes me. 275 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 3: A better person. 276 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And I you know, I respect that so 277 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: much as somebody who was not brought up in the church. 278 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: I opted out of church when I was ten. My 279 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: grandparents were taking my sister and I. They were Protestants. 280 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: They were taking my sister and I and I said 281 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: to my mother, you know, it just doesn't feel And 282 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: I was ten, and I'm like, it just doesn't feel right. 283 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: And I don't really want to go, but I don't 284 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: want to upset grandma and grandpa. And she said, I'll 285 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: talk to them. And what I have found is that 286 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: for me, organized religion has always been very dogmatic in 287 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: the things that you couldn't do right. And I think that, 288 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: you know, it was always like, you know, if you're 289 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: a woman, you have to act like this. You know, 290 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: you have to have babies, you have to wear a skirt, 291 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: you have to be docile to and it was always 292 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: very prescriptive. And I thought, you know, this universe, this 293 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 1: this world that we're living in, is so massive, right, 294 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 1: Like the God that I believe in, which I do, 295 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: doesn't believe in in in restriction, right, Like like like 296 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 1: why would you create a universe that is so boundless 297 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 1: and so beautiful to tell people don't smell that flower, 298 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 1: smell this one, don't talk, you know, don't pet that dog, 299 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: pet this one? Right? And so what I have come 300 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:32,439 Speaker 1: to understand is that it is it's it's man is 301 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: the problem, you know, Like, it isn't. It isn't the 302 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: it isn't spirit, it isn't God, it isn't the universe. 303 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 1: It is it's the way that I view politics, right, Like, 304 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: I believe in government for and by the people. I 305 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 1: believe that there is a way to build a society 306 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 1: that has humanness at the center of it, right, not privilege, 307 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,959 Speaker 1: not greed. And so when you look, when you detact, 308 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: like the the the dogma from like what the belief 309 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: structure is that all people should be able to exist 310 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: free of harm, you know, and be able to like 311 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: enjoy the bounty uh in their in their lives. It's 312 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 1: just like, what does what stops that from happening? Right? 313 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:21,679 Speaker 2: Like? 314 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 1: And and so for me, the friction has always been 315 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: with the manipulation of scripture what I mean, plug in 316 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: whatever religion you want versus the actual source. Because there 317 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,479 Speaker 1: was some there's some guy who I think his name 318 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: is Matthew Cook, and he's a writer and a director 319 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: and he's you know, all over social media and he 320 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: did this you know, beautiful video where he was just like, 321 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 1: if you look at everyone's text, it all formulated from 322 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:56,679 Speaker 1: this same literally the same place, but literally the same ideas, 323 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: right of fasting for clarity of one to center the 324 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 1: least among us. Right, So it isn't it wasn't the 325 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 1: idea that was that you know that the ideas are 326 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: the same, it's the interpretation that has been contorted. And 327 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 1: so I always, you know, I find myself and I'll 328 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 1: ask you this now, even though you are a traditional 329 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: Pakistani Buslam uncle, which is you know, how has your 330 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: faith and the way that you are also raising your children, 331 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: if it has that all changed shifted over the last 332 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: few years. 333 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 2: You know? So I always tell people, why are you 334 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 2: exactly what you said? Why are you so surprised that 335 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 2: people are leaving when all they've witnessed is abuse and 336 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 2: prescriptions that pretty much tell them don't do anything, and 337 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 2: if you do it, you'll go to help. Are you 338 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 2: shocked if you are teaching religion as a way that 339 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 2: instead of being a shield that protects the most marginalized, 340 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 2: it sword in particular attack women and the marginalized, and 341 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 2: it unleashes nothing but cruelty and makes people miserable. There's 342 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 2: no joy, there's no benefit of it. There's no joy, 343 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 2: like what's your cell? Your cell is do this or 344 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,400 Speaker 2: you'll go to hell. And it doesn't stick with people, Danielle. 345 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 3: And I've seen. 346 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 2: What I've seen is when religion is promoted and pushed 347 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 2: that way, and it is in the Big Three oftentimes 348 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,199 Speaker 2: a lot of my friends, you know, and when they 349 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 2: get older in their thirties and forties, and their soul. 350 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 3: Needs to be nourished. 351 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, they need hope, they need joy, they need something esoteric. 352 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 2: Simply saying don't do this or else it just doesn't 353 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 2: fill the void. The void, the emptiness. And what we're 354 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:47,719 Speaker 2: seeing now is this crisis of emptiness, of apathy, of nihilism, 355 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 2: of cynicism, of lack of connectedness. And I think this 356 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 2: is where, like you said, the source of it all 357 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 2: is a profound spiritual source where, if you really think 358 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,919 Speaker 2: about it, all of us literally come like even the 359 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 2: primordial suit, we all came like we all got star 360 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,679 Speaker 2: stuff in us, right, Yeah, And this is where I 361 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,239 Speaker 2: think the core of it is is how do you 362 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 2: maintain the particularities of your religion, but don't let that 363 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 2: get in the way of appreciating and indulging and investing 364 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 2: in our shared humanity. Yeah, our shared humanity. And what 365 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 2: you're what you're articulating is where religion actually, instead of 366 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 2: allowing us to expand ourselves and to be generous and 367 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 2: to invest in our shared humanity, it puts the walls. 368 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 2: That's a coper, disbeliever, fassic, mushrik, aggressor, pervert. You know 369 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 2: me me me, me, me here, and let me construct 370 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 2: a small cocoon and live in that cocoon forever, which 371 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 2: is what we're seeing more and more in the United 372 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 2: States of America, especially with disinformation. So for my children, 373 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 2: what me and my wife do very deliberately is we 374 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 2: live in a very diverse neighborhood. Our neighbors they're best friends, 375 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 2: are Ethiopian Americans. They're other best friends. Are I just 376 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 2: found out yesterday actually conservative, never Trumper, Republicans who are 377 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 2: Evangelical Christians white. My kids are the brown kids. You've 378 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 2: heard my home before every time we recorded like eight 379 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 2: hundred children in our home. Our home is that like 380 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 2: neighborhood home like yesterday, Like like's like from six to 381 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 2: eight thirty. I look at my house, there's like seven 382 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 2: kids just going wild, and I'm like, all right, that's great. 383 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 2: And so what we tell our kids is we are 384 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 2: raising you musclim but know that not everyone is Muslim. 385 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 2: You are Pakistani, not everyone is Pakistani. Your job is 386 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 2: to be the best version of yourself, but also be 387 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 2: respectful to everyone else. Right, don't look down on people. 388 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 2: You know that my son went to a preschool and 389 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 2: there were two moms, and we've talked about this. We're 390 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 2: now like all these religious communities like LGBT, the butt, sex, 391 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,199 Speaker 2: the trans what's happening? And then what we did. My 392 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,199 Speaker 2: son was four and now he's nine. But like we 393 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 2: literally said, hey, Abraham, you know that your friend who 394 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 2: came over and his two moms. You know, every family 395 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 2: is different. Some people have two moms, some people one month, 396 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 2: some people are biracial, but you know, you just be 397 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 2: respectful to people and you understand that the world is 398 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 2: big that way. And you know what my four year 399 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 2: old son goes, Yeah, okay. Kids have this capacity of 400 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 2: innocence and generosity that we get hardened, Danielle as we 401 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 2: get older. So what we're trying to cultivate is this elasticity, 402 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 2: this expansion. You know, be centered and grounded in who 403 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 2: you are, be proud of you who you are, but 404 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,120 Speaker 2: don't let that be used as a cudgel against any way. 405 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 2: Right And I've said to him, and having lived this 406 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 2: life as oftentimes a token Muslim in a climate where 407 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,479 Speaker 2: we are condemned even right now, I have to condemn 408 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 2: violent acts done by Hamas. Even though I'm born and 409 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,679 Speaker 2: raised in America, we're all lumped together. I say, the 410 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 2: choice is, if people are cruel to you, do you choose. 411 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 3: To respond with kindness or cruelty? 412 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 2: If people are miserly, do you choose to expand yourself 413 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,919 Speaker 2: to be generous? And just because everyone else is like 414 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 2: that doesn't mean you have to be either. You can 415 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 2: be the model of a good, decent, generous human being 416 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 2: who is firm and true to your roots, is never 417 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 2: embarrassed or ashamed about it, but also invites the kid 418 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 2: next door to come to our home for shelter and food. 419 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: Oh wajah hut, We're so good you. I mean, you're 420 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: not trying, You're actually doing and creating hopefully, you know, wonderful, 421 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:33,640 Speaker 1: thoughtful global citizens that are rooted in their own practice, spirit, 422 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 1: and self and can see like the love and compassion 423 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: in other people that don't look like them, that don't 424 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 1: pray like them, that don't love like them. That's the goal. 425 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: That's you know, that's the goal and it and it 426 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: I think that this will help people understand that everything 427 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 1: is a choice. Every every moment in our lives, we 428 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: have a choice. We can choose to be kind, We 429 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 1: can choose to be loving. We can choose you know, 430 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: or you or we can pickle and spite, you know, 431 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: and and and hatred. And this is coming from somebody 432 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 1: who you know, carries around a mustard seed of hope. 433 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: But I tell I, you know, but I tell people 434 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: like this is this is a journey because if rage alone, 435 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 1: if anger alone was going to uh was going to 436 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: be the answer, then all of the doors would have 437 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 1: been unlocked by now, right, that's it's not it's not 438 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 1: the answer. And so I appreciate you so very much, 439 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: and I'm just, you know, so thankful of the way 440 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 1: that you were raising your beautiful children and family and 441 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 1: for the work that you're doing and for you know, 442 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: but being the bugs bunny to you know, to the 443 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: Yosemite Sam. 444 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 2: You know why because our people, and I'm talking about 445 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 2: the people who have oftentimes been on the wrong side 446 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,439 Speaker 2: of privilege and who have not been seen as the 447 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,679 Speaker 2: real American boy, I have to always prove our loyalty. 448 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 2: And I'm talking about any person of color. If you're poor, 449 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:09,120 Speaker 2: indigenous Muslim right now, it's the teas but LGBTQ, right 450 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 2: the model that we've been given. I want to end 451 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 2: on this oftentimes is rage, anger, pain, and our kids 452 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,640 Speaker 2: see that, and our kids see that, and our kids 453 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 2: would be like, you know what, I don't want that. 454 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 2: I'm going to tap out. And so I want my 455 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 2: kids and that generation to be like, oh, Baba tried. 456 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 2: I mean it was kind of weird and old and overweight, 457 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 2: but he tried, and he still had joy, and he 458 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,239 Speaker 2: still loved our mama, and he played with us. And 459 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 2: there is a way to live this life with purpose 460 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 2: and intentionality and fight the good fight, but also not 461 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 2: give up your vanity and not give up your smile. 462 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 2: And I think that's a better story and a better 463 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 2: model for our kids. And that's the one that I 464 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 2: want to impart. 465 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, my friend. Appreciate you every single day. 466 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 1: And folks, if you're not listening to us on democracy is, 467 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: you're missing all of these jewels and jajah Hat's movie 468 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 1: phone voice and all of his Pakistani uncle jokes. It's amazing. 469 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 5: In one of Daniel's four hundred and thirty six podcasts records, 470 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:24,400 Speaker 5: every week, this is totally abnormal, right, That is it. 471 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,919 Speaker 1: For me today, Dear friends on Woke af as always 472 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: power to the people and to all the people power. 473 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 1: Get woke and stay woke as fuck.