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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: According to police, missing Miranda, just sixteen years old, just

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Speaker 2: turned sixteen, has been dismembered after being lured by a

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Speaker 2: social media themed breaking Tonight, we have obtained video of

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Speaker 2: the suspect allegedly transporting this child's body to dispose of it.

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Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: being with us.

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Speaker 3: A young Florida team disappears on Valentine's Day after an

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Speaker 3: alleged date with a mystery man from a dating app.

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Speaker 2: A mystery man on a dating app. The girl just

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Speaker 2: turned sixteen. I'll get into that later, but right now,

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Speaker 2: straight out to the scene.

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Speaker 1: Joining me.

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Speaker 2: Robert Crispin, private investigator, founder of Crispin Special Investigations, former

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Speaker 2: Federal Task Force officer for the US Department of Justice

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Speaker 2: DEA Miami Field Division, former homicide and former Crimes against

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Speaker 2: Children investigator. Robert, Thank you for being with us. Tell

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Speaker 2: me what you have learned.

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Speaker 4: So Nancy, I'm actually coming to you from twenty seven eight,

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Speaker 4: twenty seventh Avenue North in Saint Petersburg. The house behind

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Speaker 4: me is the house where police believe that Miranda Corset

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Speaker 4: was kidnapped and brutally murdered back in February. That door

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Speaker 4: right there was the gray door on the bottom was

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Speaker 4: the last door that police believed that Miranda walked through

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Speaker 4: before she died during that timeframe.

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Speaker 2: Joining me an all star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 2: what we are learning right now. But straight out to

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Speaker 2: Robert Crispin. Robert, this is what I need to understand.

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Speaker 2: Let me see that house behind you again. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we're looking at a beautiful neighborhood, tree line, gorgeous lawns,

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Speaker 2: everything kept in order. How did this happen? I want

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Speaker 2: to hear about the structure, who lived there?

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Speaker 1: What more? Do you know? Have you been inside? Robert So?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So I actually had just come outside from the landlorder,

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Speaker 4: the owner who owns it, who gave me a tour

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Speaker 4: of the inside.

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Speaker 5: And it's a great neighborhood. It's in St. Pete, Florida.

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Speaker 4: Everyone's got manicured lawns, great residents. I've talked to a few,

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Speaker 4: but the people that lived in.

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Speaker 5: This house were anything but nice.

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Speaker 2: Robert Crispin, I want to go through the photos that

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Speaker 2: you got from inside to structure. Let's see those New

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Speaker 2: York Control room now. Even though this is in a

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Speaker 2: lovely neighborhood. This is what we find inside. Robert Crispin

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Speaker 2: just getting us inside in the last hours. Now right now,

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Speaker 2: it looks like everything has been cleaned out. I noticed

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Speaker 2: bleach and cleaning materials everywhere.

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Speaker 1: But look at this.

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Speaker 2: Is this the last thing this little teen girl saw

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Speaker 2: before her death.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look at this place.

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Speaker 2: You'd have no idea from the outside what's going on

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Speaker 2: behind closed doors. According to police, this child just turned

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Speaker 2: sixteen was lured by a much older man in his

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Speaker 2: late thirties, where she was tortured for days, murdered, and

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Speaker 2: then dismembered inside this home. Robert, you have also obtained

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Speaker 2: video allegedly showing this online sicko that, according to police,

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Speaker 2: lured this teen girl, the sixteen year old girl, possibly beginning.

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Speaker 1: Of the Lauren when she was fifteen.

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Speaker 2: I want to see the video that Robert Crispin obtained.

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Speaker 1: Let's roll it.

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Speaker 2: You are seeing an adult male that we believe to

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Speaker 2: be the defendant going out with this child's body brazenly

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Speaker 2: front yard, putting the body of a little girl just

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Speaker 2: turned sixteen into his vehicle. I believe the trunk is

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Speaker 2: still up there. He is getting everything just right, making sure,

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Speaker 2: it's all hidden. Looks like the child is in a

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Speaker 2: But according to Robert Crispin, this surveillance was obtained through

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Speaker 2: a neighbor's home surveillance system ring cam, allegedly showing the defendant,

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Speaker 2: the suspect, and he's not even in a rush.

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Speaker 1: Crispin.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So that footage was obtained from that camera right

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Speaker 4: up there on the second floor, in that middle window,

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Speaker 4: looking straight down at the driveway. The suspect's door is

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Speaker 4: down below the second floor is another resident. So it's

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Speaker 4: a duplex up and down. Our suspect lived on the

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Speaker 4: bottom floor. But that ring camera right there is the

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Speaker 4: one that captured all that footage. That's the ring camera

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Speaker 4: that captured Miranda here on the fourteenth. That's the ring

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Speaker 4: camera that caught Miranda here on the fifteenth. That's the

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Speaker 4: ring camera that caught both Michelle and Stephen coming and

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Speaker 4: going from the house here. That is epic evidence, an

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Speaker 4: epic video.

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Speaker 2: Crispin, explain to me what I'm saying. On the additional video.

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Speaker 2: It looks like a female walking down the front walk

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Speaker 1: When was this and what is it?

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Speaker 4: Right? So this video was actually obtained that shows on

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Speaker 4: the seventeenth of February that a neighbor came over and

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Speaker 4: was conversing with Steve at the front door. And you

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Speaker 4: can hear the audio and they're clearly having a conversation

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Speaker 4: and you hear Miranda's name, and then she turns and

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Speaker 4: walks away. It's later learned after that what the neighbor

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Speaker 5: Up in a ball, crying.

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Speaker 4: And it's believed to be in the photos that I

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Speaker 4: sent you from inside the crime scene, where the mop

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Speaker 4: is leaning against the wall, is where the neighbor potentially

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Speaker 4: saw Miranda curled up in a ball crying while standing

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Speaker 4: filled up to the front door. Police believed, according to

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Speaker 4: that was inside that main room, just inside that front

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Speaker 4: door to the left. Hence why you see all that

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Speaker 4: latent fingerprint dust all over inside that crime scene, all

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Speaker 4: those black marks that's all laden fingerprint dust.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a listen and see if we can hear

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Speaker 2: on the audio what Robert Crispin is describing. Crispin I

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Speaker 2: think I hear what you're describing.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 2: The neighbor of the across the street, Caddy corner neighbor

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Speaker 2: comes over, according to what we're learning, is conversing with

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Speaker 2: Steve Griss, aged thirty seven, that police believe lure this

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Speaker 2: teen girl possibly starting at age fifteen online, along with

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Speaker 2: his live in Michelle Brandis, aged thirty five.

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Speaker 1: They're a pair straight out of hell, we learned. The

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Speaker 2: Here's the girl crying, not realizing what's going on, and

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Speaker 2: turns around and goes back home.

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Speaker 1: Is that your understanding, Crispin, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: That's my understanding. I think the video speaks for herself.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's what we learned after this horrific event

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Speaker 4: of what she actually saw on that video that day.

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Speaker 2: Guys, I want to go through again the photos that

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Speaker 2: we saw inside the home. You heard Crispin describing the

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Speaker 2: fingerprint dust. Look carefully at the walls, around the door entry,

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Speaker 2: around the light switches.

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Speaker 1: Let's see the pictures.

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Speaker 2: Crispin describe the fingerprint dust all over the walls.

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Speaker 1: Explain what that is.

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Speaker 4: So that's a latent fingerprint dust that's going to pick

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Speaker 4: up the oils on your skin.

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Speaker 5: It's kind of like any crime scene that you go to.

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Speaker 4: The perpetrator either takes something i e. Something he steals,

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Speaker 4: or he leaves something i e. His fingerprints or the

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Speaker 4: oil on his fingerprints that stays on the wall. And

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Speaker 4: this latent print dust allows a technician to go in

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Speaker 5: Finally with a.

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Speaker 2: With a little cart pull the camp there we're saying,

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Speaker 2: the mop against the wall.

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Speaker 1: What is the significance of that? Robert Crispin.

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Speaker 4: So, according to my sources out here, this is where

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Speaker 4: we believe the neighbor actually, while standing at the front door,

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Speaker 4: saw Miranda girled in a ball crying in that corner

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Speaker 4: before she walked back over to her house.

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Speaker 2: You know, when I look at it, unless you know

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Speaker 2: what you're seeing, you don't realize the significance of it.

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Speaker 2: And it's overwhelming that this little girl just turned sixteen,

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Speaker 2: Stephen Griss, aged thirty seven, and his hinch person his

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Speaker 1: Straight out of hell.

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Speaker 2: Michelle brandis, of course, they're innocent until proven guilty. These

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Speaker 2: are just allegations. If you don't mind, Robert, I'd like

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Speaker 2: to look at the video with you one more time,

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Speaker 2: not of the neighbor, but of the suspect carrying out

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Speaker 2: what we believe to be this little girl's body. Miranda

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Speaker 2: Corsette just turned sixteen years old.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, that's some pretty compelling video right there.

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Speaker 4: Allegedly that's Miranda, and she's going in the trunk of

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Speaker 4: of where Miranda was then transported over to another location

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Speaker 4: where she was dismembered and then put into a dumpster

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Speaker 4: close by in a town called Largo, Florida.

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Speaker 2: Robert, what do police believe was her mode of death?

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Speaker 5: The cause of death, from what we're learning from law enforcement.

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Speaker 6: Is asphyxiation.

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Speaker 4: Exphyxiation how by wrapping Miranda's face in cellophane tape and

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Speaker 4: cellophane wrap, thus not allowing her to breathe life into

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Speaker 4: her little body anymore.

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Speaker 2: Stephen Griss, nearly forty years old, after having allegedly lured

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Speaker 2: in his trunk. You don't think this is going to

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Speaker 2: be State's Exhibit number one. Where was his lover, Michelle

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Speaker 2: brandis what looking out the window cleaning up the scene.

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Speaker 2: We don't know yet. Both of these are allegations. All

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Speaker 2: of this allegations. These are just suspects right now. But

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Speaker 2: I tell you what if NASA can do it, soak

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Speaker 2: in the Sainte PD blowing this up and lightening it

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is States Exhibit number one.

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Speaker 1: Now. Isn't it true, Robert Crispin.

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Speaker 2: That this girl allegedly died not just by asphyxiation, but

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Speaker 2: by having a pool ball, a cue ball, a billiard

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Speaker 2: ball forced into her mouth, forced into her mouth. Think

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Speaker 2: about that, a pool ball, an eight ball in her mouth,

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Speaker 1: And she gagged and died that way. Isn't that the allegation, Crispin?

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Speaker 5: That is the allegation.

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Speaker 4: That is what has been purported by law enforcement. And

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Speaker 4: what a horrible, horrible way to die for a sixteen

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Speaker 5: Beautiful little girl.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Breaking tonight in the disappearance and we believe the murder

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Speaker 2: of a little girl just turned sixteen, Miranda Corset. We

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Speaker 2: have just obtained as we go to air, stunning video evidence.

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Speaker 2: Here we believe the defendant, the suspect, Stephen Cress, aged

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Speaker 2: thirty seven, carrying the body wrapped in material of a

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Speaker 2: sixteen year old little girl, Miranda Corset, to his vehicle,

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Speaker 2: placing her in the trunk, slamming the trunk. I guarantee

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Speaker 2: you that Canine's cadaver dogs are being brought out for

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Speaker 2: hits on the trunk as we go to air to

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Speaker 2: determine if in fact what we see in this video

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Speaker 2: is a human body. In a few moments, we'll show

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Speaker 2: you video we have obtained of the co defendant Gress's

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Speaker 2: live in Michelle Brandis h thirty five, hopping in the

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Speaker 2: car like they're going to McDonald's and off they go

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Speaker 2: with a body in the trunk, a body of a

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Speaker 2: teen girl. I've got a teen girl and a teen boy.

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Speaker 2: When I look at this, I feel sick. I'm going

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Speaker 2: to reach into this camera bah and grab him by

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Speaker 2: the neck and his girlfriend too. All of these are

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Speaker 2: allegations at this juncture. They are innocent until proven guilty.

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Speaker 2: In a court of law by a jury of their peers.

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Speaker 2: But if this allegation is true, I don't know where

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Speaker 1: First of all, this is where it all starts. Listen.

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Speaker 7: Miranda Corsett is known to her family as a spunky tomboy,

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Speaker 2: Just imagine what this child has already gone through. Joining

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Speaker 2: to high profile psychoanalyst, doctor Bethany Marshall joining us from La,

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Speaker 1: Bethany.

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Speaker 2: This is exactly the kind of child that predators prey upon.

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Speaker 2: She suddenly, as a girl, loses both her parents at once,

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Speaker 1: Looking for love, looking for.

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Speaker 2: Acceptance, and she finds it online, not really understanding at

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Speaker 8: She is the perfect victim for somebody like this. And

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Speaker 1: And she's right.

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Speaker 9: You're absolutely right, and that's why we mean him so

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Speaker 1: Unbeknownst to her, it was with this freak.

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Speaker 10: Absolutely, and they're so good at it, Nancy luring these

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Speaker 10: It's terrifying, the Chief of Police Saint Petersburg said in

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm looking at this and I just can't

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Speaker 1: Joining me now she is going by.

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Speaker 2: Adrian lived next door to the suspects, Stephen Gress and

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Speaker 1: This has got to.

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Speaker 2: Send chills down your spine because Adrian, it's my understanding

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Speaker 11: Yeah, yep, so I wasn't there for very long.

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Speaker 1: What were you told?

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Speaker 12: I was told that he had a very in depth

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Speaker 11: Until he wasn't. What happened, So I had accidentally backed

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Speaker 2: Do you understand, Adrian, I don't know if you let

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Speaker 12: Trunk absolutely, And we had gotten in multiple altercations after

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Speaker 12: You know, And I'm not the first woman who has

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Speaker 1: Little does she know what will befall her.

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Speaker 4: So again comes from that same ring camera right up

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Speaker 2: You know what's disturbing to me to Sidney Sumner join

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Speaker 2: befall her. Have you noticed that, Sidney.

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Speaker 8: Nancy, absolutely this teenage girl never thought that she would

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Speaker 8: end up dead and dismembered just by going on a date.

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Speaker 2: Robert Crispin, why do we believe that this child wants dismembered?

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Speaker 4: So it's beam purported by police that this is a

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Speaker 4: confession from the defendant that this happened, who then implemented

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Speaker 4: his girlfriend Michelle. So this allegedly is coming from the

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Speaker 4: horse's mouth.

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Speaker 2: Video of Miranda in her last hours before her death.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this.

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Speaker 7: March sixth less than twenty four hours after Stephen Gress's arrest,

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Speaker 7: an acquaintance gets the courage to call Saint Petersburg PD.

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Speaker 7: The tipster says, February twentieth, Michelle Brandis could not locate

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Speaker 7: her ring and accused Miranda of stealing it. Miranda denied

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Speaker 7: the accusation and told Branda's pew would help her look

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Speaker 7: for it. The couple tied Miranda to a chair and

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Speaker 7: beat her senseless. After several days of beatings, the couple

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Speaker 7: forces a billiard's ball into Miranda's mouth and then secures

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Speaker 7: it with plastic wrap around her face.

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Speaker 5: On the twenty at.

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Speaker 11: The house, there was some time of the spewed over

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Speaker 11: from this jewelry.

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Speaker 4: So fromentia to twenty four she port not fives in secured.

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Speaker 2: You are hearing from the police chief at Saint Petersburg BD.

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Speaker 2: There now let me understand to Susan Hendricks, joining us investigative,

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Speaker 2: a journalist and author, the suspect actually pointed a harpoon

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Speaker 2: gun at the live in. Police were called for that.

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Speaker 2: He was arrested on a domestic violence. Once he is

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Speaker 2: arrested on domestic violence and the neighbors realize he's not

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Speaker 2: there a tip comes in about Miranda. How did that happen, Susan, Yes.

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Speaker 10: That's an excellent point to bring up the timeline he

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Speaker 10: was arrested. They realized that and say, wait a minute,

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Speaker 10: he's already in jail right now because of pointing a

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Speaker 10: harpoon at Michelle. The tip came in on the eighth,

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Speaker 10: two days later, was that there, of course, not saying

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Speaker 10: who it was. Was it Michelle's mother? Whose home it

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Speaker 10: was where the body was allegedly dismembered to the mother's home.

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Speaker 10: Did the tip come in from the mother? Did it

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Speaker 10: come from Michelle? And then when he was in court,

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Speaker 10: he was in court and he said, where all, why

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Speaker 10: isn't she arrested? I could see him pinning this on her.

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Speaker 10: But yes, that tip came in two days after he

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Speaker 10: was arrested.

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Speaker 2: So the neighbors get the courage with him behind mars

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Speaker 2: on a domrail domestic relations to actually call about Miranda.

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Speaker 2: I'd like to see those photos again. According to police,

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Speaker 2: this is the last thing that a teen girl just

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Speaker 2: turned sixteen sees before her death, him and hiss hnch

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Speaker 2: person from hell. According to police, her Michelle brandis the

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Speaker 2: psychopathy to doctor Bethony Marshall, renowned psychoanalyst. A woman going

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Speaker 2: along with the man and torturing, raping, murdering a little

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Speaker 2: girl in a few moments.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to show you the.

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Speaker 2: Video of her just running along like a little lap

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Speaker 2: dog and jumping in the car like they're going to

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Speaker 2: burger king and driving off with the little girl's body

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Speaker 2: and the trout for Pete's sake.

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't get it.

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Speaker 2: How can you stand by and let that happen and

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Speaker 2: become part of it?

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Speaker 8: You know, Nancy, because she was interested in the crime.

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Speaker 8: They did not beat and torture her allegedly to death

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Speaker 8: because of a ring. Psychopaths do this because they get

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Speaker 8: sexual pleasure from causing suffering, humiliation, and pain. This is

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Speaker 8: the emo for the crime. So I see that, I

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Speaker 8: see him care allegedly carrying the body out right now,

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Speaker 8: you know, Nancy, how he's carrying it is like somebody

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Speaker 8: would carry dirty laundry that they're about to take to

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Speaker 8: the laundromat. And this is very typical for these kinds

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Speaker 8: of crimes that the victim is incredibly sexually interesting to

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Speaker 8: the perpetrators until the victim is dead, and unless they're

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Speaker 8: going to commit necrophilia or use the corpse in some way.

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Speaker 8: All the energy has gone out. There's no interest there anymore.

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Speaker 8: So all they want to do is just dismember and

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Speaker 8: get rid of this corps so they can go on

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Speaker 8: to their next victim.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall Crown's joining me, renowned chief medical examiner Terran County.

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Speaker 2: That's fort Worth. He is an esteemed lecturer at the

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Speaker 2: Vernet School of Medicine at TCU and just launching a

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Speaker 2: brand new podcast April seven, Mayhem in the Morgue. Here's

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Speaker 2: my concern, doctor Kendall Crowns. It's not your duty to

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Speaker 2: know the law. Is your duty to perform autopsies as

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Speaker 2: you do thousands of them. But doctor Kendall Crowns, a

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Speaker 2: confession alone, under our jurisprudence is not enough for the

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Speaker 2: state to move forward. A case cannot be made on

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Speaker 2: only a confession. If this body has been dismembered and

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Speaker 2: possibly even incinerated.

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Speaker 1: How can we prove the case.

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Speaker 2: And doesn't it require a great deal a physical effort

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Speaker 2: to execute a dismemberment.

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Speaker 6: Well, that's correct, Nancy. If they have actually succeeded in

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Speaker 6: dismembering and incinerating the body, there may be no evidence

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Speaker 6: left to collect or to be able to determine and

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Speaker 6: cause and manner of death. And without a body, you

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Speaker 6: could just have someone that's mentally unstable confessing to a

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Speaker 6: crime they didn't commit. And it does take a great

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Speaker 6: deal of physical effort to dismember a body, unless you're

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Speaker 6: using like an electric saw, like a saws all or

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Speaker 6: something of that nature to help you. If you're just

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Speaker 6: using hand saws, it can take quite a bit of

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Speaker 6: effort and quite a bit of time. So usually with

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Speaker 6: dismemberments we see electric tools used to help expediate the process.

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Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Grace, welcome back.

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Speaker 2: We are now showing you video we have just obtained

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Speaker 2: of this duo from Hell going out to the car

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Speaker 2: with the child's body and the trunk, apparently Robert Crispin.

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Speaker 2: They're loading up the car like they're going on a picnic.

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Speaker 2: I can only imagine what that is that the co defendant,

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Speaker 2: thirty five year old Michelle Brandis is taking into the car.

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Speaker 1: What am I seeing on the video? Robert?

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Speaker 4: So what you're seeing this particular part of the video

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Speaker 4: is several minutes after that.

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Speaker 5: We believe that Miranda.

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Speaker 4: Was put in the trunk by Steven and they both

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Speaker 4: went back in the house. But then they both come

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Speaker 4: back out and they're loading other things.

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Speaker 5: I don't know what they are, Nancy.

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Speaker 4: Are they fruits of the crime, are they more evidence

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Speaker 4: to conceal?

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: But that's Crystal Clare video of both Steve and Michelle

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Speaker 4: getting in that car, backing up and driving away.

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Speaker 2: Straight out to veteran trial lawyer now joining us, Andrea

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Speaker 2: Lewis partner Sircey Law Firm in the Florida jurisdiction, former

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Speaker 2: felony prosecutor in Palm Beach. Andrea, thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 2: I wanted you to see all the video and hear

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Speaker 2: the discussion. I mean, this is a treasure trove of evidence.

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Speaker 2: Where will the state go first? My main concern right

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Speaker 2: now is finding any bit of DNA, any bit of

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Speaker 2: tissue to prove that this child was dismembered. Of course,

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Speaker 2: a case can't go forward with just a confession.

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Speaker 13: That's an excellent point, Nancy. And so fortunately here it

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Speaker 13: sounds like from what investigators are saying, they may in

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Speaker 13: fact have that. So this is truly a house of

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Speaker 13: horrors where this young innocent child spent her last days.

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Speaker 13: But what we know is that after they transported her

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Speaker 13: body to Michelle's mother's home, that is where they allegedly

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Speaker 13: dismembered this poor young child. And what investigators have reported

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Speaker 13: is that there was quote unquote body matter that was

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Speaker 13: found in that home along with DNA, and that one

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Speaker 13: of Michelle's relatives was actually present during the dismemberment, although

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Speaker 13: they do note that she has disabled herself, so she

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Speaker 13: may not have witnessed what occurred, but nevertheless, she may

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Speaker 13: have some information to provide investigators.

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Speaker 2: Andrea Lewis, are you ever shocked in all the cases

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Speaker 2: you've seen, because it.

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Speaker 1: Never fails to throw me for a loop?

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Speaker 2: I mean here, I mean, do you see them, Andrea,

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Speaker 2: You've prosecuted many, many major felonies before you went with Circe.

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Speaker 2: The way they're getting into this car, it's like they're

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Speaker 2: running out to a picnic. Maybe they're gonna stop at

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Speaker 2: KFC on the way for Pete's sake. They're casual, it'says

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Speaker 2: if they are not worried about getting caught at all.

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Speaker 2: Chrispan agrees with that. They're loading up the car with

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Speaker 2: all sorts of paraphernalia. I don't know what it is yet,

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Speaker 2: but I will find out.

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Speaker 1: It's very commonplace. They're not worried at all.

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Speaker 2: They're not trying to conceal their faces. The right at

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Speaker 2: the front walkway, for Pete's sake, there's a body in

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Speaker 2: the trunk.

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Speaker 9: Nancy, you know just as well as I do for

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Speaker 9: many years as a prosecutor, that the defendant's demeanor while

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Speaker 9: they're committing a crime speaks volumes about the person who's

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Speaker 9: committing the crime and how comfortable they are in this

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Speaker 9: criminal arena. With violent acts, you can often tell by

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Speaker 9: analyzing a perpetrator while they're carrying out these horrific acts,

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Speaker 9: whether they've done this before, whether they're comfortable with violence.

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Speaker 9: In this man's case, what his overall feelings are just

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Speaker 9: about women in general. He appears to, as we heard

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Speaker 9: from Adrian, and then we see from this case, he

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Speaker 9: appears to really look at them almost as a possession,

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Speaker 9: something that's there for him, not another human, and that

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Speaker 9: really speaks volumes about the type of person that he is,

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Speaker 9: about what type of a potential psychopath here that he

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Speaker 9: may in fact be it certainly seems like he is,

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Speaker 9: and what he's capable of.

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Speaker 2: To see these two minions from hell again.

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Speaker 1: They look like they're going on a picnic.

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Speaker 2: Robert Crispin, You see her, the co defendant who went

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Speaker 2: on the run by the way, had to get her

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Speaker 2: in loading up as if they're going on a picnic.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, I mean, they have things slung over

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Speaker 1: their shoulders. They're not in a hurry.

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Speaker 2: There is a child dead in the trunk and they

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Speaker 2: know they are headed to a location to dismember her.

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Speaker 4: You know, I think we've all talked about this. The

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Speaker 4: mind of a criminal is not a mind. It's like

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Speaker 4: we don't even understand what they're thinking and what they're

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Speaker 4: going through. They're so far john, they're so far out

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Speaker 4: in left field.

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Speaker 5: I don't even think.

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Speaker 4: They know what they're thinking at that point. And to

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Speaker 4: try to reason with a murderer, try to reason with

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Speaker 4: someone who's a criminal, it's so hard.

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Speaker 5: And that's why we have our psychologists.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of a psychoanalyst joining us from LA doctor Bethany Marshall.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany, it just you and I have covered so

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Speaker 2: many cases for after a murder, the defense go for

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Speaker 2: drive through, they go to waffle house, they go to

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Speaker 2: ihop like nothing has happened, and that's how these two

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Speaker 2: are acting. I mean, Bethany, my children have just turned seventeen.

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Speaker 2: That's the age of this little girl. She just turned sixteen.

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Speaker 2: She is dead heading to dismemberment in the back of

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Speaker 2: their car. I don't get their las a fear, their

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Speaker 2: casual attitude.

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Speaker 8: Well, Nancy, I do, because if you think of this

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Speaker 8: type of alleged rape homicide as a compulsion, what we

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Speaker 8: see with compulsions is that there's a buildup of anxiety, agitation,

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Speaker 8: urgency to complete the compulsion, and then after that all

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Speaker 8: the urgency dissipates until it builds back up again. So

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Speaker 8: we see this with binging and purging or compulsive masturbating.

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Speaker 8: We'll think about compulsive homicide. This guy, allegedly, if he

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Speaker 8: committed the crime, has this urgency to torture.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so he's hitting.

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Speaker 8: Up all the women in the neighborhood. He's harassing, he's stalking,

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Speaker 8: he's being misogynistic, he's compulsive.

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Speaker 11: When he finally finds.

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Speaker 8: The victim, who, by the way, is the youngest one

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Speaker 8: who cannot advocate for herself, who's being raised by a

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Speaker 8: grandmother who bless her little heart is wearing a mid

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Speaker 8: drift to what she believes is a date when you

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Speaker 8: finally find that and he can unleash his fury and

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Speaker 8: his sexual desire on her for days, then that the

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Speaker 8: compulsion diminishes again until it builds back up again. So

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Speaker 8: of course they're going to go through a drive through.

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Speaker 1: They're going to go get a meal there.

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Speaker 8: That's why there's sauntering, Nancy. It's after the act and

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Speaker 8: all that intensity of wanting to commit the crime has

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Speaker 8: dissipated for a while.

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Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything. As the

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Speaker 2: state continues to build this case about the luring, the murder,

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Speaker 2: and the dismemberment of this little girl, please dial seven

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Speaker 2: two seven eight nine three seven seven eight zero repeat

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Speaker 2: seven two seven eight nine three seven seven eight zero.

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Speaker 1: We remember an American.

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Speaker 2: Hero police Officer, Gregory Maloney, Plymouth PD, passed away in

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Speaker 2: the line of duty seven teen years of service. Survived

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Speaker 2: by wife turned widow, Susan sons Gregory and Michael. American

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Speaker 2: hero police officer Gregory Maloney. Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend,