Speaker 1: Podcast starts now. Welcome all to Stradia Lab. We are
Speaker 1: back bi coastally on Zoom. Just me and George today, George,
Speaker 1: how the hell are you hi?
Speaker 2: You know, it's funny, we're so used to doing this
Speaker 2: for Patreon. You know, the default Patreon recording is, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe a little bit raspy voice on a Sunday afternoon.
Speaker 2: Maybe one of us has a coffee, one of us
Speaker 2: has a smoothie or some other type of specialty beverage.
Speaker 2: There's no pressure to be firing on all cylinders comedically,
Speaker 2: but when you know it through that comes the best
Speaker 2: possible comedy because we can finally relax and be ourselves. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and sometimes I forget that most people statistically that listen
Speaker 2: to this podcast only get the non patren episodes, And
Speaker 2: it's kind of like, you know, we live this life
Speaker 2: as kind of Zoom domestic partners. We have conversations, we
Speaker 2: have debates, we cook dinner, we have breakfast, and then
Speaker 2: people only get to see the side of us that
Speaker 2: comes out when we have a guest.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, they see us when we've you know, spent
Speaker 1: all day cleaning the house, when we're when we're wearing
Speaker 1: our best shirts, when we say let's let's turn on
Speaker 1: the face, but now we're sort of letting you in.
Speaker 1: It's sort of this this type of episode which just
Speaker 1: two of us. It's like being on vacation with someone
Speaker 1: and you then wake up the next day and you're like,
Speaker 1: so we're still hanging out.
Speaker 2: Well, it's that, but it's also being like, God, are
Speaker 2: so comfortable with each other that we can just stay
Speaker 2: in the silence.
Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely, Like one of us is.
Speaker 2: Doing the crossword and one of us is reading the
Speaker 2: latest issue.
Speaker 1: Of Harper's Bus speaking of I want to talk to
Speaker 1: you about your big party last night.
Speaker 2: Ooh, well, I have to say you know, I went
Speaker 2: to a big party last night. It was uh egg
Speaker 2: how Slata, Tinder and the ACLU were the three co
Speaker 2: hosts of this big fashion week party. And wouldn't you
Speaker 2: know what, the MC was our very own Cat Cohen.
Speaker 1: When you were posting pictures from there, I was like, God,
Speaker 1: I missed New York. Oh and it was in the
Speaker 1: Russian tea room. Have ever been? I've never even been.
Speaker 1: I had neither.
Speaker 2: And I actually found myself unintentionally lying and talking to
Speaker 2: someone and being like, I haven't been here in so
Speaker 2: long and then they were like, I actually never been here,
Speaker 2: and I was like, yeah, me neither.
Speaker 1: You know I this is this is something that we
Speaker 1: both have in common. Actually, if people assume I've been somewhere,
Speaker 1: I will let them assume it. I would never correct
Speaker 1: someone to be like like I, yeah, I'll even go
Speaker 1: so far say I fully lied. You know what I
Speaker 1: lie about what I actually the last time I was
Speaker 1: in New York called the fuck out? Is I lie
Speaker 1: about having been to basement? Oh? Yeah, I have, like
Speaker 1: the basement. I actually don't even remember. At this point.
Speaker 1: I'm always like, yeah, I've been to basement. And then
Speaker 1: somebody point blank looked at me and was like wait.
Speaker 1: It was like someone I hadn't met before, and it
Speaker 1: was sort of like getting to know yu convo. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but like he it was there. It was like him
Speaker 1: and then like a close friend, and he was like, wait,
Speaker 1: have you been to basement before? And I was like no,
Speaker 1: And then it was like it was Julio, and Julio's
Speaker 1: like jaw dropped, and I was like, see, this is
Speaker 1: why I don't tell anyone but I haven't been to
Speaker 1: basement because I don't need to go to basement to
Speaker 1: have been to basement totally.
Speaker 2: Well, this is like me having a terrible sense of
Speaker 2: direction but insisting on nodding vigorously when someone is like,
Speaker 2: you know that spot on Carmine where it's next to
Speaker 2: that one bodega, and I'm like, of course, oh god,
Speaker 2: I used to always go there in two thousand and seven.
Speaker 2: I I can't bring myself because I have such a
Speaker 2: bad sense of direction. I don't know which things are,
Speaker 2: which things I should know, and which things are special?
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? I fully understand.
Speaker 2: It's sort of like it's not embarrassing to not know
Speaker 2: a very specific niche intersection, but it is embarrassing to
Speaker 2: not know where Times Square is. But I don't know
Speaker 2: if we're closer to Times Square or closer to random
Speaker 2: intersection on Carmine when I'm talking to someone, so I
Speaker 2: just pretend that I know.
Speaker 1: Everything well, and it's like, is there gonna be a
Speaker 1: quiz on this? Because so many times totally you can
Speaker 1: just get through it and be like I made them
Speaker 1: feel like they were heard, and that's kind of all
Speaker 1: they wanted in that moment. Yeah, And then sometimes they
Speaker 1: are like but have you been there? Or like but
Speaker 1: once across the street and I'm like, oh, sorry, I'm kidding.
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're.
Speaker 2: Talking about, right, See, they want to have a conversation,
Speaker 2: whereas you're trying to just get a gold star to.
Speaker 1: Go through, to get through the day.
Speaker 2: Like you're just trying, You're just trying to prove to
Speaker 2: someone I'm also human. You're Amy Adams holding up the
Speaker 2: human sign in arrival. Meanwhile they're trying to actually have
Speaker 2: an interaction.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's simply not right. It's not right at all.
Speaker 2: By the way, I just want to say for everyone
Speaker 2: listening and being like, God, they're being so loose and sexy,
Speaker 2: and I wish I could hear more of this. You know,
Speaker 2: we do this twice a month over on the over
Speaker 2: on the Patreon, Patreon, dot com, slash stradio app, and
Speaker 2: it is we are churning them out all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you had fun at this party. Yes, I
Speaker 1: had such a good time at the party. I really did.
Speaker 2: Actually, I was very you know, with events, of course,
Speaker 2: you never know which way it's gonna go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really hit or miss.
Speaker 2: It could go. You could be the outsider who doesn't
Speaker 2: fit in. You could also on the other side, of
Speaker 2: things be like among the same people you see all
Speaker 2: the time, and that's also boring, and you're almost like,
Speaker 2: I wish an outsider would come in, someone like Ryan
Speaker 2: and the Oc, let's say, and really shake things up
Speaker 2: in this town, because I am sick of making the
Speaker 2: same small talk over and over again. And this was
Speaker 2: a real happy medium. You know, there were some people
Speaker 2: I knew, some people they didn't know. It was very
Speaker 2: nice to see Kat like working the room. They played,
Speaker 2: Oh the DJ, you know, I'm at actually gonna look
Speaker 2: into who this DJ was so I can give them
Speaker 2: a proper shout out on a later app. We're talking
Speaker 2: like the perfect balance of you know, there would be
Speaker 2: a B side from a Madonna's American Life album, so
Speaker 2: they actually specifically played Nobody Knows Me, Wow, Nobody Knows Me,
Speaker 2: and then there would be like, you know, let's say,
Speaker 2: like a shot yeah, sort of like a semi ironic
Speaker 2: shod Day remix or something. But then it would go
Speaker 2: right into Abrica.
Speaker 1: Dabra m Heaven Have Been.
Speaker 2: And Martini's were flowing. Finger food was the perfect the
Speaker 2: perfect level of finger food because they can obviously be
Speaker 2: too little, but it can also be too much. And
Speaker 2: suddenly you're having whole slices of pizza. Yeah, but it
Speaker 2: was just the right amount of past apps. And then
Speaker 2: at the end there was a full hour of just
Speaker 2: pigs and blankets, and you you kept sort of thinking, oh, like,
Speaker 2: this is the last one I have to pounce while
Speaker 2: they're still going, and then it would be like forty
Speaker 2: five minutes later, pigs and blankets.
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, And doesn't Kat famously love pigs and blankets?
Speaker 1: I actually do think that's true. Wow. I wonder if
Speaker 1: it was because of Kat. Maybe it was because of Cat.
Speaker 2: She kept she kept like making really funny references to
Speaker 2: the idea that Egouslata, Tinder, and the ACLU were natural partners,
Speaker 2: because obviously it's so random that it's those three companies.
Speaker 1: So she kept just being like, name a more iconic trio.
Speaker 1: I'll wait, I'll wait, I'll wait here all day. Name
Speaker 1: a more iconic trio. That is so funny. Wow. The
Speaker 1: more distance I have New York, the more that I'm
Speaker 1: just like it's literally Sex and the City. Like I'm like, God,
Speaker 1: this is like a Sex in the City episode, I know,
Speaker 1: and it's weird to see it from a zoom out lens.
Speaker 2: Well, especially Russian Tirium. You know, have you ever been
Speaker 2: to Tao And don't lie. I've never been to tow So
Speaker 2: I went to town for the first time this year
Speaker 2: was just such a I thought it was literally like
Speaker 2: a fictional sex in the city location. Yeah, but I
Speaker 2: got to tell you, you know, obviously there's some it's glam
Speaker 2: in its own way, but it does feel like you're
Speaker 2: chasing something that is no longer there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like working in Hollywood.
Speaker 2: That's right, Well, yes, that's like, yeah, it's like working
Speaker 2: in any industry that isn't I guess like doge.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or yeah, Amazon funded.
Speaker 2: Or Amazon funded. So what are we doing today? Tell
Speaker 2: the listeners.
Speaker 1: So pretty much today we're gonna it's very loose. We're
Speaker 1: going to go through some calls and we're going to
Speaker 1: chat and that's essentially it. I would you know. I
Speaker 1: think what's amazing about going through calls is that I'm
Speaker 1: not even we don't even say things like we're going
Speaker 1: to be giving advice because well, quite frankly, we're not
Speaker 1: what I love about, you know, as we continue to
Speaker 1: deconstruct everything around us. This is a call in show
Speaker 1: that's like we will hear your play your call and
Speaker 1: then go okay, and then we'll sort of talk about
Speaker 1: it totally. It's conversation. It's a prompt.
Speaker 2: We're having a conversation, and then when we feel like it,
Speaker 2: we press the button that's like, here's a new prompt exactly,
Speaker 2: and whether or not we follow it and to what
Speaker 2: extent is kind of none of your business because this
Speaker 2: is a free episode.
Speaker 1: And you're not paying for it. This is that supported Malma.
Speaker 1: I'm actually tired for no good reason. I mean, I
Speaker 1: did nothing last night. But Gizmo the dog, you know,
Speaker 1: normally a very healthy and strong constitution. I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: He was diarrhea ing like crazy last night. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: And in a way that was kind of I was like,
Speaker 1: is everything okay? So I kept having to get up
Speaker 1: and like clean things. Actually it was like a nightmare.
Speaker 1: But I think he seems better today. But it was
Speaker 1: really like I was like, is this what it's like
Speaker 1: to have a child? Kind of, I was like, damn,
Speaker 1: I'm not built for it.
Speaker 2: We you know, our niece lives like a ten minute
Speaker 2: walk from us, so it's very nice because we get
Speaker 2: to see her whenever we want and I'm actually gonna
Speaker 2: go see her after this. And you know, I've always
Speaker 2: been pretty ambivalent about having kids, and I sort of
Speaker 2: thought having a niece would move me definitively in one direction,
Speaker 2: and it almost has done the opposite, where I'm kind
Speaker 2: of like even less decisive about it that because I'm like, oh, so,
Speaker 2: now I just have like an on call child, Like
Speaker 2: I can go whenever I want in microdose being a parent. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I don't have to do any of the like
Speaker 2: difficult things I never like when I miss her, I
Speaker 2: can just see her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, why would I have my own? No?
Speaker 2: But then also if I'm driven to see her, does
Speaker 2: that mean I want to be a parent. It's unclear.
Speaker 1: It's unclear. The whole thing confuses me quite a bit.
Speaker 1: I know, well, here's the thing. Sorry, Will, I will
Speaker 1: play the first call.
Speaker 2: But I have a theory that like, there's something about
Speaker 2: having a child in your twenties that is sort of
Speaker 2: a classic for a reason, because you're just dumb enough
Speaker 2: to not or just an experienced enough to not consider
Speaker 2: the difficulties of it. And I actually think because there's
Speaker 2: part of me that's like, oh my god, what am
Speaker 2: I going to be fifty still considering whether I want kids,
Speaker 2: and it's like, yeah, because the older you get, the
Speaker 2: more stuff you know, and the more there is to
Speaker 2: sacrifice if you change your life radically from one day
Speaker 2: to the other. It's it's actually not that I'm you know, immature,
Speaker 2: or like night you know, or or like I need
Speaker 2: to grow up that I'm still undecided. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it makes more sense to be undecided in your thirties
Speaker 2: than it does when you're twenty three.
Speaker 1: I fully fully agree. Sometimes I think about that with
Speaker 1: like getting married too. When people like get married at
Speaker 1: twenty five, I was like, that's so young, and I'm like, wait,
Speaker 1: maybe they were right, Like there was something like it's
Speaker 1: like more like yes, obviously there's more risk of like
Speaker 1: getting divorced later. But still it's like, but you were
Speaker 1: like living out loud, you were like not dumb enough
Speaker 1: to really consider everything else, and you know what else.
Speaker 2: That's what I feel about career stuff too, because like,
Speaker 2: for example, in most of Europe, and I believe honestly
Speaker 2: in most places outside of Marria, you like apply and
Speaker 2: get into a field. It's like you apply to college
Speaker 2: and you get into the psychology program, you get into
Speaker 2: you know, the law program whatever, and then you're like, well,
Speaker 2: we got to do it live, whereas here it's like
Speaker 2: you spend four years just reading books, then you have
Speaker 2: to have a fifteen year long unpaid internship, and then
Speaker 2: suddenly at thirty five you're like, oh, is my heart
Speaker 2: really in it? And it's like, well, by this point,
Speaker 2: someone in Sweden has four children and is running for offits.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's it's tough. It's tough. Being in this
Speaker 1: age is funny. I'm like, I can't tell if it's
Speaker 1: this age or if it's la but hobbies are back.
Speaker 1: So I tell you that, really I think hobbies are
Speaker 1: back in a big way. Well hobbies.
Speaker 2: I do think you are obviously right that like childless
Speaker 2: people in their thirties go back to hobbies, and that just.
Speaker 1: Is a fact. That just is a fact. And what
Speaker 1: kind of hobbies are we talking? Oh, you know, I
Speaker 1: think woodworking. M I think like, okay, I took. I
Speaker 1: mean this is like a it's not a real one,
Speaker 1: but I went to the have you ever been to
Speaker 1: the gay guy dance class? You're gonna have to be
Speaker 1: more specific, the one that Alec Cohen does. Oh no, no,
Speaker 1: I haven't at gay choreographer on Instagram. Oh, I know
Speaker 1: him well. He he did an LA one yesterday and
Speaker 1: I went to it and it was extremely fun. Highly
Speaker 1: recommend if anyone is interested in it. A dance class
Speaker 1: pop music, pop pop music. We learned to dance to
Speaker 1: green Light by Lord Oh and it was so much fun.
Speaker 1: And but I was like I also couldn't stop zooming
Speaker 1: out and be like, this is like Charlotte going to
Speaker 1: like take a salsa class and like hoping to like
Speaker 1: switch it up and be like I've still got it,
Speaker 1: don't I I've still got it.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's so hard to how like, uh, these things
Speaker 2: are coded as somehow embarrassing. It's like, oh, you want
Speaker 2: to like develop a scale, you want to like have fun,
Speaker 2: you want to meet people loser. We need to get
Speaker 2: away from that mindset.
Speaker 1: It's also funny to be there and be like, there's
Speaker 1: all these gay guys that I either I don't know
Speaker 1: or have like vaguely been at the same events as
Speaker 1: because and like we just all say hello as if
Speaker 1: we know each other, like hugging and being like hi, Hi,
Speaker 1: it's like we do not know each other.
Speaker 2: Oh, also have to say gig guy, helloes have gotten
Speaker 2: to a I would say avant garde point at this
Speaker 2: at this point, like you genuinely don't know if someone
Speaker 2: is going to like do a little jig when they
Speaker 2: see you or fully make out with tongue, and I
Speaker 2: have no idea what I'm even going for. And by
Speaker 2: the way, you know what, it's the most lame possible
Speaker 2: thing you can do. Go in for a hug. That's
Speaker 2: the one thing no one does anymore. If you're going
Speaker 2: in for a hug, you might as well be saying, no, homo,
Speaker 2: I don't care what you do behind closed doors, dude,
Speaker 2: but like it's not for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you at least have to gomah as you do it. Yes,
Speaker 1: you have to go maa also.
Speaker 2: Or it's like it's like two gay guys in a
Speaker 2: row will kiss me on the lips, so then I'll
Speaker 2: be like, okay, so.
Speaker 1: This is a lip party. So then I'll go for
Speaker 1: it with the third.
Speaker 2: One, and he'll like like not be ready for it,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, no, it's not my fault. Like I
Speaker 2: thought we were doing lips tonight.
Speaker 1: The president was set. I'm just following president, that is true.
Speaker 1: I love the gig guy.
Speaker 2: Hello, you know, it's funny, we've just created a version
Speaker 2: because already straight I hello famously confusing because you don't
Speaker 2: know what sort of like handshake they're going to go
Speaker 2: in for. And so now we've created that. But the
Speaker 2: more gay version, which is what level of makeout are
Speaker 2: you doing with your random online friend you've met once before?
Speaker 2: Speaking of gay versus straight? Howbout we take a first call.
Speaker 1: Let's do it.
Speaker 3: Hi, George, Hi Sam, a big fan. My name is Zach.
Speaker 3: So I came out really late. I came out at
Speaker 3: like the age of twenty seven, and I was like
Speaker 3: four years ago.
Speaker 4: And I have a wonderful boyfriend who is like my
Speaker 4: seeing eye dog for like gay world. But I still
Speaker 4: kind of feel like a kid who is homeschooled this
Speaker 4: whole life who suddenly is.
Speaker 3: Like at his first day of public high school.
Speaker 5: So I guess my question is, like, how do I
Speaker 5: act more gay for lack of a better term with
Speaker 5: while still like being myself?
Speaker 3: And like how do I know, like what parts of myself.
Speaker 4: Are truly me versus what I like conditioned myself to act,
Speaker 4: like think, like be interested.
Speaker 3: In from being in the closet for so long.
Speaker 1: Thanks Bite, an even a voice like that, I don't
Speaker 1: think you need any more help being more gay, you bitch.
Speaker 2: I actually you know, I was going to say he
Speaker 2: has a hot voice to me, am I wrong.
Speaker 1: Well it can be hot and still be gay sounding.
Speaker 2: Wow, look at me doing internalized homophobia. You're like, your
Speaker 2: voice sounds a gay like No, actually it was pretty
Speaker 2: I just want to say, I think it's the perfect
Speaker 2: level of gay. I think it is in conversation with
Speaker 2: some of the great gay guys we know.
Speaker 1: And I think it's a great gay voice.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's especially by the way, it's no
Speaker 2: problem if it's If it was super Queenie, that would
Speaker 2: also be completely fine. But I think in the range
Speaker 2: of like super Queenie on one end and kind of
Speaker 2: like surprisingly husky, like a Jared Goldstein, let's say where
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, I didn't know what we were doing
Speaker 2: with a mask for mask mama tonight. I think it
Speaker 2: is a perfect down the middle, and I think it
Speaker 2: is a perfectly lovely voice.
Speaker 1: I think it's a perfectly lovely voice. And I'm sorry
Speaker 1: I said it sounded gay, but I also not I
Speaker 1: celebrated it sounding gay, and and I think it's a
Speaker 1: I say it because it's it's always a funny question.
Speaker 1: Someone's like, how do I be more gay? And it's like,
Speaker 1: totally look inward, bitch, you best start believe it in
Speaker 1: being gay. You already are.
Speaker 2: I distinctly remember having this issue, you know, go into
Speaker 2: your first gay bar, gay club, whatever, and thinking the
Speaker 2: issue is that you're not gay enough, when actually the
Speaker 2: issue is that you're like do gay.
Speaker 1: I wish there were some examples. I think, like, I know,
Speaker 1: I know what he means, of course.
Speaker 2: And by the way, I have that feeling every time
Speaker 2: I'm in a new community of any.
Speaker 1: Kind of course, you have that feeling. Yeah, yeah, Like
Speaker 1: I've always joked that I wish I had been closeted
Speaker 1: a little bit longer so I could have a favorite
Speaker 1: football team, because I think, as a gay guy now,
Speaker 1: it is so funny to be like, yes, i'm, i'm, i'm,
Speaker 1: my paws are up, but when the game's on, don't
Speaker 1: talk to me. I think that would be fun, but
Speaker 1: unfortunately it didn't happen for you.
Speaker 2: You know, to that point, I just want to say
Speaker 2: so many gay guys are sorry to use the word
Speaker 2: performative this way, but performatively liking straight things these days,
Speaker 2: and I think it's not cute anymore. Like stop it,
Speaker 2: because actually, at this point it's not ironic. You are
Speaker 2: just feeding into, feeding into what Trump wants. It's enough
Speaker 2: enough of a gay guy being like, actually, what I
Speaker 2: really love is beer and football with the boys. Some
Speaker 2: have some have some self respect and listen to tanache.
Speaker 1: Is that too much to ask? We're not asking you
Speaker 1: to stop liking It's also just like that's just like,
Speaker 1: don't take pride in it. It's like, don't doesn't make
Speaker 1: kids like.
Speaker 2: It's just as kind of basic and normal as if
Speaker 2: a straight guy liked it.
Speaker 1: It doesn't make you special. No.
Speaker 2: And I'm also especially angry about this today because I so,
Speaker 2: Matthew and I have a reservation for four at this restaurant.
Speaker 2: It's Super Bowl Sunday, okay, woo hoo, And so I'm
Speaker 2: asking around, I'm saying, which gay guys can go with us?
Speaker 2: Every single one has Super Bowl plans. Really, I'm like,
Speaker 2: wait the fuck up and come and come to this
Speaker 2: very desirable in new restaurant by the way, where it's
Speaker 2: difficult to get her as.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've even this year is like In the past,
Speaker 1: I've ironically been like, let's like make Mischa likes to
Speaker 1: make chicken wings, and it's like, okay, let's just like
Speaker 1: have super Bowl food and have people over and like pretend. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but this year I was like, actually, I fucking hate
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. I'm sure I want to watch the performance,
Speaker 1: but that's it. And then like, so I'm not going
Speaker 1: to waste my Sunday doing something ironically that I don't
Speaker 1: care about at all, totally, and we can make super
Speaker 1: Bowl food for the fucking Oscars. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I will say, in terms of this question, you
Speaker 2: actually are in a great place right now if what
Speaker 2: you're searching for is more queer community, because it's cool
Speaker 2: for gay guys to act straight now, so you have
Speaker 2: so much more practice in this so you can really
Speaker 2: like teach people how to enjoy straight things.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 2: But my favorite part of this question is definitely the
Speaker 2: question of how to disentangle what is actually your authentic
Speaker 2: personality from what you were socially conditioned to like as
Speaker 2: a closeted person pretending to be straight. And I think
Speaker 2: both of us have things like that that were like
Speaker 2: that are like straight leaning interests from our time in
Speaker 2: the closet, would you like to speak to yours?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Mine is indie rock music exactly. Mine is that
Speaker 1: when I get drunk, I'll say, let's put on silver juice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's like come on, And it is like there's
Speaker 1: something about it where I am even still torn where
Speaker 1: I look like or like do I like this or
Speaker 1: was this just like because I was in this friend
Speaker 1: group in college that like this was the currency and
Speaker 1: this is all my memories of that. But it's like
Speaker 1: there's not really a difference. I think, like I kind
Speaker 1: of think there's no way to disentangle those things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I also think.
Speaker 2: It's still you, like, if anything, your connection to those
Speaker 2: things could be more complex because it is because you
Speaker 2: have a more a more multifaceted relationship to it than
Speaker 2: just someone who's like that rocks.
Speaker 1: And I do think there's something I understand this color too.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I get jealous of a of a guy who
Speaker 1: is like just was gay from the from the jump,
Speaker 1: like knows all the like Britney spears b sides for
Speaker 1: some reason that no one else listens to, and it's
Speaker 1: like like you're they really feel like they're in it.
Speaker 1: They're in the gay culture in a way where you're like,
Speaker 1: that's so different than my relationship with it. And it's
Speaker 1: not that I don't like Britney Spears, I just only
Speaker 1: know the hits and so it's but I also think
Speaker 1: it's all uh, everyone has varying levels of involvement in
Speaker 1: the gay culture. George, think what what's your straight thing? Oh?
Speaker 2: I will tell you in a second. But do you
Speaker 2: think a previous generation of gay men is like listening
Speaker 2: to this and rolling in their graves? That are examples
Speaker 2: of gay culture? Are Britney Spears b sides rather than
Speaker 2: like the opera and like like.
Speaker 1: Going to the Philharmonic? Yeah, maybe whatever, whatever, guess what whatever? Oh,
Speaker 1: they're gonna be fucking dead soon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then we'll be and will be condescending to
Speaker 2: kids that are for whom the like foundational gay text
Speaker 2: are the TikTok of that one girl being like it's
Speaker 2: about food, it's about omega threes and fatty proteins. And
Speaker 2: then we're like, how about you listen to Email My
Speaker 2: Heart by Britney Spears.
Speaker 1: Bitch, Yeah, no, a real song.
Speaker 2: So mine the only thing I can think of, honestly,
Speaker 2: I mean, I will say I went through like a
Speaker 2: soccer phase.
Speaker 1: But I think that was.
Speaker 2: More so because I like the pageantry of things like
Speaker 2: the Olympi, things like the euro Cup. I like to
Speaker 2: see countries that normally don't get their due, countries like
Speaker 2: you know Argentina, let's say, or or Brazil, you know,
Speaker 2: countries that are not global superpowers, be like number one
Speaker 2: at something.
Speaker 1: So I did.
Speaker 2: I would say, like in the early odds, I would
Speaker 2: like regularly watch the World Cup or the EuroCup, and
Speaker 2: I will I will say it that when I came
Speaker 2: to America, I did get off on knowing something that
Speaker 2: like having a sense of history about something that other
Speaker 2: Americans did not and being able to like switch that
Speaker 2: gear and be like, oh, did you know George knows
Speaker 2: about soccer? So that was one and then the other
Speaker 2: one I think was just I think I liked a
Speaker 2: lot more like classic stand up, like George Carlin classic
Speaker 2: stand up.
Speaker 1: You were much more balt from the jump, That's true.
Speaker 2: Like I'd be like into watching George Carlin's HBO specials,
Speaker 2: or like looking up like Richard Pryor or things like that.
Speaker 2: Of course, really took me right to Joan Rivers very fast.
Speaker 2: So I don't want to overstate how much I stayed
Speaker 2: in that zone.
Speaker 1: Well you know, if people knew how much I used
Speaker 1: to stand Louis c K, there'd be some issues. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, one of the best to ever do it.
Speaker 2: But I just want to say, you know, I think, like,
Speaker 2: sorry if this is a cop out, but I do
Speaker 2: just think, literally, you have to just let go. Like
Speaker 2: you have this amazing boyfriend. It seems like you do
Speaker 2: have queer community, you have other queer friends. Just because
Speaker 2: they know another song or film more play than you do,
Speaker 2: doesn't mean you have to have any insecurity about it.
Speaker 2: And guess what, you are a You're gonna be a
Speaker 2: lifelong learner. We're all still learning things. I every single
Speaker 2: time some random gay, gay icon celebrity dies that have
Speaker 2: never heard of, I feel so dumb. But then guess what,
Speaker 2: you just look them up and then I'm ready to
Speaker 2: go the next day and I'm posting I can't believe
Speaker 2: she was taken from us so soon at.
Speaker 1: Ninety eight years young, ninety you'res young, rest and power,
Speaker 1: Rest and power. But yeah, I fully agree. I think, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a lifelong it's a lifelong journey. It's a lifelong journey.
Speaker 2: And I actually just think, like, how exciting that you're
Speaker 2: four years into being out and you have this great
Speaker 2: boyfriend that you like and you know you're listening to
Speaker 2: Stradio Lab. I mean that is more than so many
Speaker 2: people can say for themselves. I know you're doing the
Speaker 2: work and you have a beautiful, sexy voice, and I
Speaker 2: stand by.
Speaker 1: That that sounds LGBTQ plus that's right positive.
Speaker 2: All right, next call, Okay, I will say this person
Speaker 2: A called on Christmas Eve B had the same He
Speaker 2: has the same area code that I did when I
Speaker 2: lived in New Jersey. So shout out from one Jersey
Speaker 2: girl to another. Mama, thanks for calling in.
Speaker 6: Hi George and Sam.
Speaker 7: This is like kind of creepy and weird, and I
Speaker 7: was like, I don't know if I should send this message,
Speaker 7: but here I am.
Speaker 1: I was out to dinner and lo and behold.
Speaker 7: I sat next to the one and only Sam Tiger
Speaker 7: because it was one of those restaurants that was really
Speaker 7: really you know, close quartersy in Brooklyn, and I knew
Speaker 7: you were there, and I didn't want to be weird
Speaker 7: and say I love the podcast that I wanted to
Speaker 7: call and say I love the podcast. And also is
Speaker 7: it weird to say.
Speaker 3: Hey, I liked the podcast and I laughed weekly too,
Speaker 3: or was I correct and not saying anything.
Speaker 7: I can't decide truly if it's straight or.
Speaker 6: Gay to choose one way or the other.
Speaker 7: So I'd appreciate your input.
Speaker 2: By Sam, Do you have any recollection of what this
Speaker 2: could have been? It was in New York, so it
Speaker 2: was when you were visiting New York.
Speaker 1: I think it was at Ops Pizza pizza place. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if I had to guess.
Speaker 2: Did you notice someone sort of shaking and looking and
Speaker 2: sneaking looks at you and and you know, sweating and
Speaker 2: sort of tearing up and trying to make this decision?
Speaker 1: No, I didn't notice. And in fact, you know, whenever
Speaker 1: I'm at Ops or a similar bush Lack based arresta rand,
Speaker 1: I sort of look around with an expectation of so
Speaker 1: does anyone know who I am? Or or have I
Speaker 1: completely lost touch with everyone? And yeah, go ahead, go ahead,
Speaker 1: Like there are days if I'm at like say the
Speaker 1: x Lee, and no one comes up to me and says,
Speaker 1: I like the podcast, I go, I guess I'm dead.
Speaker 1: I guess no one. I guess no one cares about
Speaker 1: me and I am dead so to this caller always
Speaker 1: at this stage in our lives come up and say hello,
Speaker 1: I we are simply not famous enough to have that
Speaker 1: be an issue. And it is still at a point
Speaker 1: where it is so so so tasteful, and.
Speaker 2: I want to echo that and say it genuinely. Is
Speaker 2: it genuinely?
Speaker 1: Is positive? Every time?
Speaker 2: I feel like it's very rare that you know, it's
Speaker 2: someone that's like weird and I'm like, oh God, now
Speaker 2: I have to deal with this person. It's actually very
Speaker 2: nice to see that the people who listen are cool,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, damn, you're like, are rocking that little
Speaker 2: outfit and you're out and about and you are you
Speaker 2: are going to go into that vintage store and you
Speaker 2: are going to come out with, you know, a pair
Speaker 2: of Levi's five O fives that actually figure perfectly because
Speaker 2: you know, you're one of those people that know how
Speaker 2: to shop vintage denim and can say is this from
Speaker 2: eighty seven or ninety one?
Speaker 1: Couldn't be me? But I respect you, and you know
Speaker 1: specifically come to us. If we're with friends family, I
Speaker 1: find that they will respect us more afterwards, and it
Speaker 1: sort of proves our egos after that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, we have so many experiences not
Speaker 2: to get vulnerable that actually bring us down a notch
Speaker 2: on a day to day basis, just by virtue of
Speaker 2: you know, the people were surrounded by so we it
Speaker 2: always is welcome to you just get a little pang
Speaker 2: of recognition. I'll tell you an example of something I'm
Speaker 2: talking about at the very party I was just talking
Speaker 2: about last night. I see someone I know coming out
Speaker 2: of this out of this venue, and I think she's
Speaker 2: waving at me. I do a little wave Bee lines
Speaker 2: right past.
Speaker 1: Me to Ella m Hoff. Oh. So that's what we're
Speaker 1: dealing with on a daily basis, folks. Folks, that is
Speaker 1: really funny. So yeah, if you see me at ops,
Speaker 1: you better fucking say hello. You gotta come up and
Speaker 1: say fucking him. Yeah yeah, okay, wait, let's do should
Speaker 1: we do the next one? Yeah? Okay, hiy, Sam and George.
Speaker 6: I just listen to your ins and outs for twenty
Speaker 6: twenty five episode. And I completely agree with what you
Speaker 6: said about tomorrow based cocktails. I one day wanted a
Speaker 6: Chinar Sprits Ginar tomorrow, but I didn't have any prosecco
Speaker 6: or campaign, so I just used some lemon Tello Lacroix,
Speaker 6: and it was spectacular. It is great if you don't
Speaker 6: want to have anything particularly strong. It's essentially just watered
Speaker 6: down tomorrow. We cannot recommend it enough. I also think
Speaker 6: Chinar is a particularly gay tomorrow, and I would be
Speaker 6: interested to hear the two of you rank various tomorrows
Speaker 6: by gayness too straightness.
Speaker 3: That's all.
Speaker 1: So I have a huge surprise about this call.
Speaker 2: Okay, that I texted our dear friend Alison Roman, and
Speaker 2: I said, you know, Alison, I know you just gave
Speaker 2: birth two months ago and are in fact the mother
Speaker 2: of an infant, but you have to drop everything, including
Speaker 2: your child, to answer this.
Speaker 1: Question from our dear caller.
Speaker 2: And so I asked her to sort of kind of
Speaker 2: off the top of her head, tell me which Amari
Speaker 2: she thinks are gay and which one she straight, and
Speaker 2: so well, I can post her texts. We can post
Speaker 2: her texts on Instagram. But some highlights. She says Montenegro
Speaker 2: is straight. She says Facia Bruto is bisexual but gay,
Speaker 2: which is actually very wise and I completely agree with.
Speaker 2: She sent me a link for Amaro Nonino.
Speaker 1: Have you ever had that look up? The bottle.
Speaker 2: She basically she was like, this one's gay, and I
Speaker 2: completely agree. It is so stunning, and I it's to
Speaker 2: have that in your in your home bar. I mean,
Speaker 2: you are hosting You're not even hosting an OSCARS party
Speaker 2: because that's too conventional. You're hosting a Critics Choice Awards
Speaker 2: viewing party. And then I asked her, you know, to me,
Speaker 2: three of the main kind of like basic ones that
Speaker 2: you see everywhere are Jennar, Averna, and Fernette. And I
Speaker 2: was like, all right, let's rank those gata straight and
Speaker 2: she said, from gata straight Chenar, Averona Fernett, which goes
Speaker 2: along with what this caller is saying that.
Speaker 1: Chennar sort of gay.
Speaker 2: I do think of Aaron is kind of down the middle,
Speaker 2: and Fournett is to me very like straight bartender after
Speaker 2: his shift, you know, with with the boys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very like forty five year old like former
Speaker 1: punk band who now like owns the bar totally.
Speaker 2: And it's also like adjacent to Williamsburg two thousand and
Speaker 2: eight era unicyclen up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really funny. Do you have any thoughts on Amari?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 1: I agree, I think Shanar, I think you know the
Speaker 1: way that it is difficult to pronounce. You know, many
Speaker 1: many people have their own way of saying it. That's
Speaker 1: obviously one of the gayest elements. First, it's the love
Speaker 1: of Amari exactly. I went through a big Shannar phase
Speaker 1: because I was I had convinced myself that this was
Speaker 1: like five years ago when I hadn't figured out what
Speaker 1: was going on inside of my body, where I was
Speaker 1: like certain alcohols really upset my stomach, and then that one,
Speaker 1: I was like, this one is? This one works? So
Speaker 1: I was having like that with tequila and was that good.
Speaker 1: It was so good, it was sort of like a
Speaker 1: it was almost like a tequila Manhattan or something. I know.
Speaker 1: I find that they really add a.
Speaker 2: Sophistic like an elevated fountain drink element to whatever cocktail
Speaker 2: you're having, which is sometimes exactly what I want.
Speaker 1: Yeah, basically h And I want to give.
Speaker 2: A shout out to you know, I've been I'm sticking
Speaker 2: with our prediction that Amara based cocktails are in for
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, and I've been ordering them left and
Speaker 2: right at restaurants.
Speaker 1: Really.
Speaker 2: I recently had a very good one at Eel Bar
Speaker 2: in New York, so if you're in if you're in Manhattan,
Speaker 2: check it out huge.
Speaker 1: Okay, oh okay, this is a good one.
Speaker 6: Hi, Samon George. This is Zach calling from our nation's.
Speaker 3: Capital, Washington, DC.
Speaker 6: My question is where are the gayest and straightest places.
Speaker 9: On your body to get a tattoo?
Speaker 1: You?
Speaker 2: I want to say the second Zach, we've had this
Speaker 2: round and also usually are we have a pretty balanced gender.
Speaker 2: We have a pretty like good gender balance and calls.
Speaker 2: But this time specifically, it's a lot of gay guys.
Speaker 1: I mean they took three eight five, three eight five.
Speaker 1: Is that our number? Three eight five gay guys? They
Speaker 1: took three eight five gay guys? Quite literally? Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like that doesn't mean you can only call if you're
Speaker 1: a gay guy. Anyone can call you guys. So the
Speaker 1: gayest parts or straightest parts to get a tattoo on
Speaker 1: your body? This is complex because okay, here's one that
Speaker 1: I think goes in the gay category. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: upper thigh one because I see a lot of gay
Speaker 1: guys do this and then where their little short shorts
Speaker 1: that you can see the tattoos still, Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: find that to be fun. I actually like that placement
Speaker 1: I'm like the lower back tattoo, I want to know
Speaker 1: where you think it stands these days.
Speaker 2: Okay, so my first thought just off the top of
Speaker 2: my head about this question is the more conventional placements
Speaker 2: are the more straight, and the less conventional ones are
Speaker 2: the more game. So straight is like it is are
Speaker 2: like upper arm where someone would have like a big
Speaker 2: cross like that is straight. Lower back tattoo, classic sort
Speaker 2: of woman on spring break. You know she's having the
Speaker 2: time of her life and she's getting a frozen mark
Speaker 2: like that is straight. I think chest, like a lion
Speaker 2: on your chest, is straight, like like I chest, upper arm,
Speaker 2: lower back. You know, it's very straight to me. Ankle
Speaker 2: like ankle is to me kind of like a mom
Speaker 2: from Colorado that is one Facebook post away from being
Speaker 2: anti vacs, but she loves the outdoors and she sort
Speaker 2: of you know, she'll like call her husband a pussy.
Speaker 1: Wrist to me is also very straight in that same category,
Speaker 1: wrist is very straight.
Speaker 2: And also anything like anywhere you could imagine an infinity
Speaker 2: symbol going yeah wow. So then I completely agree with
Speaker 2: you about the leg placement. I think similarly to that,
Speaker 2: something that's like in the lower arm, like right below
Speaker 2: the elbow and.
Speaker 1: Off center or something is very gay.
Speaker 2: It's very like, you know, it's sort of on the
Speaker 2: continuum of graphic designer architect, you know, kind of that
Speaker 2: you know, yes, you're mixing art and commerce, but you're
Speaker 2: doing it tastefully.
Speaker 1: Here's one. I think belly tattoos are back, yes, like
Speaker 1: in a big way, like Cisco style, yeah, or like
Speaker 1: and I think and I'm specifically seeing like bears get
Speaker 1: them mmmm in a way that I think is a
Speaker 1: cool look. Yeah. And and I do think it's because
Speaker 1: I'm not seeing like straight guys with abs do it.
Speaker 1: I'm seeing like gay bears have them in a way
Speaker 1: that I'm like, well, that's so I'm counting that when
Speaker 1: it's gay now too belly like over the belly button. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like sort of like the Tupac thing. Oh I see, see,
Speaker 1: I see.
Speaker 2: Okay, I was of course imagining Cisco's thing that goes
Speaker 2: around his belly button.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, I was thinking, okay, yeah, like the Tupac.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, yeah, which is also I mean this is different,
Speaker 2: but like Rihanna underboob tattoo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is gay. Yes, I think that. I think
Speaker 1: I think that counts as gay.
Speaker 2: I think if it was someone other than Rihanna that
Speaker 2: had popularized that, it could have gone into the straight direction.
Speaker 2: But I think she has enough of a cool factor
Speaker 2: that it may that it remains slightly off kilter.
Speaker 1: Hot hot take. I think face tattoos are straight.
Speaker 2: One face tattoos are I mean, I keep wanting to
Speaker 2: say Benson Boone, but that's someone different. But like, you
Speaker 2: know exactly what I'm talking about when I say Benson Boone.
Speaker 1: They are.
Speaker 2: Face tattoos are like the thing that someone named Benson
Speaker 2: Boone would have.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're thinking, you have like post malone, post malone,
Speaker 1: and who's that like little swimmer, Like what was that
Speaker 1: swim swimming Teddy swims or something?
Speaker 2: Teddy swims. We want tattoos, I would say, are also straight. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but here's the twist. Neck tattoos are also lesbian.
Speaker 1: Hmmm.
Speaker 2: I think there's a you know there are a little
Speaker 2: bit hey MoMA lesbian. Uh you know, big baseball.
Speaker 1: Cap straight rim Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's like her name is Lauren, but not
Speaker 2: in like a chica, not in like a we're going
Speaker 2: a brunch away and I will knife you way.
Speaker 1: Yeah I see that. Oh, while we're on the topic
Speaker 1: of lesbians. Can I divert from this? I think we
Speaker 1: covered the tattoos. We can I say one more thing? Yeah, rib, rib,
Speaker 1: gay or straight?
Speaker 2: That Actually I think like rib, you know, under your armpit.
Speaker 2: I almost think that is the most down the middle,
Speaker 2: that is the most bisexual, because I think it really
Speaker 2: it depends on the vibe of the person who has it.
Speaker 1: And it's almost like rib is the arm of gay.
Speaker 2: It's like a RIB tattoo is like either a straight
Speaker 2: person trying to be alt or a gay person trying
Speaker 2: to be tasteful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and all of these it's just like they will
Speaker 1: all be gay if they're sticking poke, you know.
Speaker 2: Yes, I want to talk about I want to talk
Speaker 2: about our backlash.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about our clip. We posted a
Speaker 1: clip in which we were talking discussing lesbians and saying
Speaker 1: and they love mask and film.
Speaker 2: Yes, the butcher and femme dichotomy in lesbian and other
Speaker 2: queer communities.
Speaker 1: And then we said we need to have a summit
Speaker 1: to talk to the lesbians about this. And so, in
Speaker 1: sort of classic online fashion, we're getting like random random
Speaker 1: people out of the woodwork being like really angry.
Speaker 2: Which I get by the way, and we knew that. Sorry,
Speaker 2: but like I knew that would happen, Like we know
Speaker 2: it's every.
Speaker 1: One here, Yeah, we know what we're doing here. It
Speaker 1: was like an obvious thing, but in a way that
Speaker 1: I kind of thought like that style of Internet had passed.
Speaker 1: Like I was sort of like, there's so much like
Speaker 1: stuff in the world that like, there's no way we're
Speaker 1: gonna get random people coming out and being like this
Speaker 1: is disgusting, stay in your lane like stuff like that.
Speaker 2: But I actually think the fact that we haven't gotten
Speaker 2: more is a sign of what you're saying. Really, I
Speaker 2: think so because I think in it. I think in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty, that would be like shared in the front
Speaker 2: page of the New York Times and it would be
Speaker 2: like the chasm between gay men and gay women.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think like there's a part of me where
Speaker 1: you because you chose that clip and I actually thought
Speaker 1: it was genius, and I felt like we were like
Speaker 1: letting go of the wall of the pool. We were
Speaker 1: like actually swimming because we're betting Tetty Swims, We're reading
Speaker 1: Teddy Swims. Because we both knew there's going to be
Speaker 1: people that take this out of context and are mad,
Speaker 1: but it's also like you look at the clip and
Speaker 1: everything said is actually deeply inoffensive, and so it's like
Speaker 1: and we're.
Speaker 2: Literally saying the entire time, we don't know we want
Speaker 2: to talk to lesbians about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so it was just like I was actually
Speaker 1: very proud of us for committing. Sure, we're going elon mode.
Speaker 1: We're going, we're going, we're getting like, we're not leading
Speaker 1: with fear.
Speaker 2: No, we're not leading with here, and I think and
Speaker 2: we're also trusting, we're trusting our audience, yeah, which I
Speaker 2: actually think. I think being like condescending to your audience
Speaker 2: and treating them as chill is much more offensive than
Speaker 2: just trusting that they understand context and are open minded
Speaker 2: about your flaws and the gaps in your knowledge.
Speaker 1: And we're like just like fine with it. Like the
Speaker 1: people being like posting something crazy, it's sort of like
Speaker 1: it's weird to look at because you're like, well that's bizarre,
Speaker 1: and you like almost want to be like, hey, I
Speaker 1: think you're misunderstanding, but then you're like, oh, who cares,
Speaker 1: Like whatever.
Speaker 2: You now there's something you know, you see a comment
Speaker 2: that grossly misstates what you said or something, and of
Speaker 2: course you want to be offended, but you can also
Speaker 2: just be like, isn't it beautiful? We're all part of
Speaker 2: this giant community and it's such a big tent that
Speaker 2: your dumb ass can coexist with me in the common
Speaker 2: section of this stupid random video.
Speaker 1: It's really it is interesting the different internets everyone is on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that was actually like the way that people are
Speaker 1: disliking this clip again, we'll make it do better, like
Speaker 1: and it's a big question. You know.
Speaker 2: That's what I learned from Chris Hayes's book about the
Speaker 2: attend economy. You know, it's it's not about good or bad.
Speaker 2: It's just about attention or no attention.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was interesting. Yeah. First, the lesson from
Speaker 1: Trump is be more like him. I mean, folks, if
Speaker 1: you can't beat him.
Speaker 2: All right, Wait, not to be so obsessed with this
Speaker 2: tattoo question, but final question finger tattoos a la Ariana Grande,
Speaker 2: where do you stand?
Speaker 1: Well, this is where I was almost afraid for this
Speaker 1: to be asked, because it's really complex because I think
Speaker 1: when women get the like Ariana Grande really dainty ones
Speaker 1: that to me is so like straight girl that lives
Speaker 1: in La. Well, it's it's a straight girl that has
Speaker 1: read the body keeps a score. Yeah, and like, to me,
Speaker 1: it's a sign of you know, I'm thinking of like
Speaker 1: one specific woman I saw at brunch maybe two months
Speaker 1: ago that I actually haven't been able to shake because
Speaker 1: she had the little finger tattoos, but everything was so done,
Speaker 1: like the makeup was perfect, the hair was perfect, like,
Speaker 1: and this is at like eleven am on a Saturday,
Speaker 1: And I was like, you're like almost wanting the finger
Speaker 1: tattoos to show like I'm not perfect, but everything inside
Speaker 1: of you is screaming, please see me as perfect. Seeing
Speaker 1: the finger tattoos just adds more perfection. Like I'm like,
Speaker 1: that is just you're trying to balance how perfect everything
Speaker 1: is and you can't. Like that's too perfect. Also genius,
Speaker 1: so I'm But then the knuckle tats also, I go
Speaker 1: either way like that because it.
Speaker 2: Could be leather, it could be leather culture. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: the eagle, you know, stud exact knuckles.
Speaker 1: And so I'm torn on that because I don't know
Speaker 1: many straight guys who like just sincerely do that nowadays. Total.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's because I only know with cucks and losers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I do know gay guys who have it because
Speaker 1: of that eagle vibe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I also think it's hot totally. I would
Speaker 2: say also anything around the collarbone, I think, no matter
Speaker 2: the gender, is pretty gay.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, all.
Speaker 2: Right, next call Oh now this is this is a
Speaker 2: big star of the night.
Speaker 9: Hey, George and Sam. I have a question for what
Speaker 9: you would do in.
Speaker 6: A scenario that I have experienced recently.
Speaker 9: So I meet this cute guy on an apt and
Speaker 9: he says he wants to come over and have me
Speaker 9: use him as a foot rest while I watch TV.
Speaker 9: And I was kind of like, that's a new one
Speaker 9: for me, but you know, I can oblige easy enough.
Speaker 9: But then I was like, well, what do I watch? Like, Like,
Speaker 9: I can't.
Speaker 8: Like, I don't know, put on an episode of drag Race,
Speaker 8: or maybe maybe I could and we could both watch together,
Speaker 8: And I don't know. I was really kind of going
Speaker 8: through a spiral trying to think of what would be
Speaker 8: appropriate in that scenario. I ended up going with a
Speaker 8: hockey game because that felt safe. I don't even follow sports,
Speaker 8: and I don't think hitos either, but that just kind
Speaker 8: of felt like it was the right of mood. But
Speaker 8: I'm curious what you would do in that situation, like
Speaker 8: what TV shows or movies do you think would be
Speaker 8: good to watch while you're using a stranger from the
Speaker 8: internet as a flowrest.
Speaker 9: Let me know what you think.
Speaker 1: Okay, bye, damn. I love that.
Speaker 2: First of all, I'm standing up and I'm giving that
Speaker 2: a standing ovation Nicole Scherzinger style at Sunset Boulevard. I'm saying,
Speaker 2: you ate that, bitch.
Speaker 1: You ate that bitch. I want to commend you for
Speaker 1: your approach to sexuality. I feel like I have a
Speaker 1: really similar approach where you know, I've I've been on
Speaker 1: record as saying this and I stand by it. I
Speaker 1: unfortunately have an improviser's approach to sexuality where if someone
Speaker 1: says I want to try this, I'm like, sure, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I'll try that totally. And I like there are people
Speaker 1: that you get hit up by on the apps where
Speaker 1: they're like, I want to do this, and you're sort
Speaker 1: of like, well, especially when it's like low effort for you,
Speaker 1: where it's like, if you're getting a kick out of this,
Speaker 1: and I can tell people I get to use someone
Speaker 1: as so foot rest, then sure I'll.
Speaker 2: Try it, and I want to commend you for So
Speaker 2: that's that's sort of your Sam side is the improviser's
Speaker 2: approach to sexuality. I think the George side of this
Speaker 2: is hearing that and your thought being not like questioning
Speaker 2: the sexual part of it, but questioning what what do
Speaker 2: you watch on TV? Like that kind of like neurotic
Speaker 2: indecisiveness and then being like paralyzed by that choice so
Speaker 2: much so that you sort of like forget what you're
Speaker 2: doing this all for is very you know, me sitting
Speaker 2: down to write, I really.
Speaker 1: Do see how complicated it is, because I think I'm
Speaker 1: a little confused, like do you use him as a
Speaker 1: foot rest and then hook up? Or is it just
Speaker 1: you use him as a footrist rest and then leave?
Speaker 1: Because if you're then hooking up, then I would want
Speaker 1: something that's sexy to you as well. Yeah, Like, but yeah,
Speaker 1: if you're just like, if you're if the whole goal
Speaker 1: is sort of just ignore him, then I think it
Speaker 1: could be fun to put on something that even something
Speaker 1: that you enjoy that he like actively does not know
Speaker 1: anything about totally. I was even thinking it would be
Speaker 1: fun to sort of put on like or do something
Speaker 1: that he doesn't want to see and don't let him watch,
Speaker 1: Like put on like the new episode of Severance and
Speaker 1: be like you, but but you have to turn away
Speaker 1: from the TV. All I enjoy it? What about this? Okay?
Speaker 2: You do like an exaggerated version of not being able
Speaker 2: to decide what you want to watch and you're just
Speaker 2: going from Netflix homepage to HBO homepage to Amazon homepage
Speaker 2: pricing something and then like get out of their two
Speaker 2: minutes in like doing the most annoying possible things someone
Speaker 2: could experience secondhand.
Speaker 1: I actually love that. I think that's really torturous.
Speaker 2: I think that could be fun. I think, needless to say,
Speaker 2: there's something especially can give about watching like a really
Speaker 2: wholesome like family, like truly watching a Christmas story while
Speaker 2: you are using someone as if at rest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is fun.
Speaker 2: Or along similar lines, watching like a rom com, like
Speaker 2: watching Devil Wors you know, Bridge Jones's Diary or something.
Speaker 1: What would you like realistically you're going to do this,
Speaker 1: what would you choose? Okay, let's see, because I think,
Speaker 1: unfortunately for me, I would choose something sort of inoffensive,
Speaker 1: like I do think I would watch like Honestly Survivor,
Speaker 1: like something that I can check in on or can
Speaker 1: check out of. And yeah, I think I would watch
Speaker 1: something like a little innocuous like that.
Speaker 2: I have to say, I think in theory that is
Speaker 2: the right thing to do, and I actually think that's
Speaker 2: what this person would want. I would sort of not
Speaker 2: be able to resist the temptation to watch something gay
Speaker 2: and just sort of like add another layer of kind
Speaker 2: of confusion to the whole thing, Like just watch something
Speaker 2: that I know has a very intense sex seed and
Speaker 2: just be like, let's see where this goes.
Speaker 1: Sure, that's fun.
Speaker 2: I don't know why, but I keep wanting to say
Speaker 2: Michael Clayton or like a legal thriller. Yeah, because because
Speaker 2: you know what it is is Okay, here's what I
Speaker 2: think is drawing me to it. You want something that
Speaker 2: gets your heart rate up and has tension, but not
Speaker 2: in a sexual away because that would be too obvious.
Speaker 2: Like it's actually sort of amateurish to press play on
Speaker 2: like literal porn. But what if you press play on
Speaker 2: Run Lola run, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Or the born identity, Well, I'd love to do
Speaker 1: a rewatch. Of course. I do think the hockey game
Speaker 1: is a smart choice. Yeah, no, I get, but but
Speaker 1: then it's also like a little too performative. If you
Speaker 1: don't even really care, well that's the thing.
Speaker 2: If you don't care, then you're basically sitting there being like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, I can't believe I'm using him as
Speaker 2: a put rest.
Speaker 1: I can't believe you're a put rest. You do you
Speaker 1: actually want to watch?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Right, exactly? Okay, Wow, this is interesting. I also
Speaker 2: I sort of want to know like how this night
Speaker 2: turned out.
Speaker 1: I mean, all media in and sex are confusing. This
Speaker 1: is something I think about a lot with Like I
Speaker 1: don't know, like if if you're like hanging out with
Speaker 1: people who are like potential sexual partners and you're like,
Speaker 1: you know, hanging out playing music, it's like normal, and
Speaker 1: then you're like, okay, let's go to the bedroom, and
Speaker 1: then there's no music, and it's sort of like, oh well,
Speaker 1: this now feels like very like let's get it done,
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, you want that like hang out
Speaker 1: vibe still. But then if you're like very purposely putting
Speaker 1: on music in the bedroom, it's a little like, well,
Speaker 1: you're a pervert, Like don't like why would you stop
Speaker 1: and think about what music to play? And then and
Speaker 1: then like had to have a sex play Like the
Speaker 1: topic taste of sex music is.
Speaker 2: One of the most confusing areas. I would say, yeah,
Speaker 2: you literally can't. It's so difficult to find the happy medium.
Speaker 2: We're on the one hand, you're trying so hard if
Speaker 2: you're putting on Shot Day Total whatever. But then on
Speaker 2: the other side, you're not going to put on Vampire Weekend,
Speaker 2: But like, what is it?
Speaker 1: And I genuinely don't know. I mean it's like even
Speaker 1: something like Joni Mitchell is like, whoa, that's what what
Speaker 1: are you? What are you doing? You know, it's the
Speaker 1: most cliche you know that band rye No is it
Speaker 1: our a ye make the do me.
Speaker 2: Our our h y e it is They truly make
Speaker 2: by the way, I'm a fan, don't get me wrong,
Speaker 2: but they make sex music for straight people who live
Speaker 2: in Clinton Hill, Like it is specifically meant to be
Speaker 2: played in that context and listen, it does the job,
Speaker 2: but it is so obviously for that that it almost
Speaker 2: like desexualizes what you're doing. Okay, here's my final thought
Speaker 2: on this footrest thing. Regardless of what you watch, here's
Speaker 2: what you do after it's over. Ready, literally just get up,
Speaker 2: go to your bedroom, close the door as they're just
Speaker 2: going to sleep. Come back out, fully nude, just to
Speaker 2: turn off the light in the living room. Go back
Speaker 2: into your room.
Speaker 1: He's in the dark.
Speaker 2: He's literally on his hands and knees in the dark,
Speaker 2: and you are asleep. He's fully humiliated, and he now
Speaker 2: is to pick himself up in the dark and leave
Speaker 2: your apartment.
Speaker 1: Wow, you're good at this. Thank you.
Speaker 10: I have Sam and George. I have a question that
Speaker 10: I really need your help with. Need some scientific inquiry here.
Speaker 10: What the fuck is going on with wrestling? Not the
Speaker 10: professional wrestling with like you know John Cena, but like
Speaker 10: the college high school wrestling. It is so so homosexual
Speaker 10: and yet you know non self aware Midwestern dads who
Speaker 10: their favorite activity is mowing their lawns. They go crazy
Speaker 10: for it, So, like, what's going on there? I think
Speaker 10: we need a FULLS radio lab investigation. I know you
Speaker 10: guys have kind of covered covered it a little bit
Speaker 10: on like I think the Contact Sports episode, and that
Speaker 10: was helpful. But I think maybe Sam needs to go
Speaker 10: undercover and join a wrestling team. I think maybe George
Speaker 10: needs to do like a full you know, spotlight style research.
Speaker 10: I think maybe you guys should do, like do a
Speaker 10: commentary on a wrestling broadcast.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 10: I just think I think we need we need to
Speaker 10: know what's going on. I need to understand it's it's
Speaker 10: like it transcends straightness and gayness in a way that
Speaker 10: maybe will heal the world or maybe we'll destroy it.
Speaker 10: I don't know, but just wanted to get you guys' boss,
Speaker 10: love you bye.
Speaker 1: Uh uh. This is like the way that I'm just
Speaker 1: simply too biased to actually engage with this is it
Speaker 1: makes it journalistically impossible because I'm like, it just is
Speaker 1: too sexual to me. It is too sexual, it is
Speaker 1: too hot. It is like the wrestling teacher, the wrestling
Speaker 1: coach at my you know, middle school, high school, the
Speaker 1: way that I wanted to have sex with them so bad,
Speaker 1: Like every I remember wanting to join the wrestling team,
Speaker 1: and I'm being like, no, you don't. And ultimately she
Speaker 1: was right, but I did. I was just like I think,
Speaker 1: and I didn't even know how to label it. I
Speaker 1: didn't know. I was like, oh, I'm just horny and
Speaker 1: acting crazy. But I was like, I was fully just
Speaker 1: like I'm horney and want to join the wrestling team.
Speaker 1: And it is deeply, deeply, deeply confusing, And I agree,
Speaker 1: I don't know what the deal is with Midwestern dads
Speaker 1: that love it, but I wish like it's almost like
Speaker 1: I'm jealous that they're able to engage with it in
Speaker 1: a non sexual way because I cannot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny that you wanted to join, because I
Speaker 2: had the opposite reaction, where because it was so clearly sexual,
Speaker 2: I was like, well, I'm going to get a boner,
Speaker 2: like and I can't be just like not that anyone
Speaker 2: was begging for me to join the wrestling team, by
Speaker 2: the way, but it like I could never be expected
Speaker 2: to be just like being touched by a man while
Speaker 2: like cupping his butt and then not and what am
Speaker 2: I gonna do?
Speaker 1: You're literally like miming fucking for like the whole time.
Speaker 2: But I almost think this topic, I almost think high
Speaker 2: school and college wrestling is like.
Speaker 1: The topic that breaks the stradio lab.
Speaker 2: Model, Like there is actually something about it that is
Speaker 2: it's not exactly the exception and that proves the rule,
Speaker 2: But it's like that it's it is so perfectly down
Speaker 2: the middle and emblematic of all the things we talk
Speaker 2: about about, how like something is so straight that it
Speaker 2: circles back around to being gay about how being homerootic
Speaker 2: is actually like straight sometimes because it's like an expression
Speaker 2: of masculinity. It's like it's father son relationships. It's high
Speaker 2: school sports. It is like men weeighing themselves. It's little
Speaker 2: leotards and like color coded outfit. Like there, it's I
Speaker 2: can't even begin to process how I would like rank
Speaker 2: it as gay or straight or put it in conversation.
Speaker 1: With other topics that we've had, which is why I
Speaker 1: think we've done.
Speaker 2: We've done UFC fighting, which is different, like I could
Speaker 2: easily talk about like pro wrestling. I could talk about
Speaker 2: like boxing, but there is something about that kind of
Speaker 2: wrestling that kind of breaks the brain.
Speaker 1: It really does. And I honestly wonder how you know.
Speaker 1: Wrestling as a sport, as a as a college and
Speaker 1: high school sport made so much more sense when people
Speaker 1: were closeted, when people had to be closeted, because it
Speaker 1: was sort of like, well, why would this ever be attractive?
Speaker 1: And now that it's like, well obviously this is attractive
Speaker 1: to some, it's like it's like this doesn't make sense anymore,
Speaker 1: Like like I'm thinking of the duke wrestling Instagram knows
Speaker 1: people find it hot they like post videos of the
Speaker 1: wrestlers like wrestling and then like stand and you're like
Speaker 1: you can see their bulges, you can see like how
Speaker 1: hot and horny it all is, and they like are
Speaker 1: leaning into it a little bit, or at least the
Speaker 1: social media manager is, and we were I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't know if this is right either, Like it's don't
Speaker 1: get me wrong, it's hot, but I'm like, this is crazy.
Speaker 1: This is just like these are just athletes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, why are you posting Why are you posting
Speaker 2: them with the caption like who's got cakes today?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, But I've like genuinely lost myself on an
Speaker 1: Instagram account for like fifteen minutes because I was like, damn,
Speaker 1: this is so hot. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, I will say the sort of tragedy of
Speaker 2: someone being a real athlete, like being genuinely training to
Speaker 2: be good at something and giving it they're all and
Speaker 2: doing it out of a pure love of the sport
Speaker 2: and out of a desire to win, and not being
Speaker 2: able to escape how porny they look is like definitionally camp,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like there is something that's
Speaker 2: like that is that where you cannot exist outside of
Speaker 2: the sexual implications of the performance.
Speaker 1: You know what this reminds me of. Actually, it's Jalynovak's
Speaker 1: sex potatoes joke where she's talking about like being a
Speaker 1: woman having a woman's body, and like just it's like
Speaker 1: you're constantly walking around with a bag of sex potatatoes
Speaker 1: and everyone's always like, ooh, sex potatoes for sale and
Speaker 1: she's like, no, I'm just walking around and she like
Speaker 1: can't take off the sex potatoes. Yeah, And that's how wrestler. Like,
Speaker 1: wrestlers are just trying to wrestle, and they keep people
Speaker 1: keep trying to buy their sex potatoes and they can't.
Speaker 1: They can't get rid of it. No, they can't get
Speaker 1: rid of them.
Speaker 2: Although I mean it's then it's like, actually, when you're
Speaker 2: there and it's just straight people and fathers, no one
Speaker 2: is addressing the sex potatoes. They actually are all living
Speaker 2: in a bubble where there is no No one is
Speaker 2: thinking like isn't this camp? No one is thinking like,
Speaker 2: isn't it.
Speaker 1: Weird that he just like touched his like pulled his testicle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: isn't it weird that he just mounted him? Yeah? I yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean wrestling in particular because other sports have like
Speaker 1: variations of nudity, variations of swimming. I'm swimming for carrying
Speaker 1: out loud, but they're not fucking rubbing each other. They're
Speaker 1: not dominating one another, like it's literally.
Speaker 2: And water polo, for example, is gay, Like it's like
Speaker 2: you are you there? It's very like silly to be
Speaker 2: like splashing around and then put, you know, drag down
Speaker 2: someone's bathing suit and you can like briefly see their ass,
Speaker 2: Like that is that silly? Whereas wrestling there's also something
Speaker 2: about wrestling that just reminds me of like there's something
Speaker 2: quint essentially Uh not sad, that's not what I want
Speaker 2: to say, but like it's very like the dad was
Speaker 2: a wrestler himself but then got an injury, Like it's
Speaker 2: very mickey your work in the wrestler. There's something so
Speaker 2: where you just like all of them are underdogs, no
Speaker 2: matter if you're winning, Like all of them are underdogs
Speaker 2: and you want to see them succeed. And I actually,
Speaker 2: even saying all of this, I feel bad making fun
Speaker 2: of wrestling because I'm like.
Speaker 1: Those men are doing their best. This is all they got. No,
Speaker 1: you're so right the moment you decided to become a wrestler.
Speaker 2: You are an underdog, Yes, exactly the moment you're to
Speaker 2: say you're an underdog. Your mom has curly bangs and
Speaker 2: she's trying to feed for seven children.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about the people that were did wrestling in
Speaker 1: high school, and they were all underdogs. Like it's like
Speaker 1: a certain level of like sort of athletics, sort of nerdy. Yes, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that is really interesting.
Speaker 2: Even though it's such a show of strength. You're not
Speaker 2: the you're not the quarterback, you're not homecoming king. You're
Speaker 2: kind of like weird and good at math.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wrestling is very you're good at math. Fuck fuck.
Speaker 2: But again, all of this is further proof that it's
Speaker 2: like break like it's so we found the one thing
Speaker 2: that is un analyzable, like we cannot use our critical
Speaker 2: thinking skills to crack.
Speaker 1: It, and also not to you know, the Greek the
Speaker 1: Greek roots of course, of course, and being like fully
Speaker 1: naked and like oiled up, yes.
Speaker 2: Which of course makes it both right wing coded in
Speaker 2: one sense in the sense of like let's get back
Speaker 2: to men being men, you know, et cetera.
Speaker 1: But then also is.
Speaker 2: Like you know, utopian, back to Earth. On the other
Speaker 2: side of things, so it can even be read as
Speaker 2: like progressive.
Speaker 1: In some way, it is like impossible to comprehend, you know,
Speaker 1: you know there's like gay rugby leagues and gay hockey leagues.
Speaker 1: I can't believe there's not a gay wrestling league. But
Speaker 1: I was thinking about this.
Speaker 2: Is I yes, I thought about this, and then I
Speaker 2: and then I forgot that I wanted to make the point.
Speaker 2: But that's another example of how complicated it is. It
Speaker 2: is the one sport, even though it's on paper the
Speaker 2: gayest thing you can possibly do is like simulate sex
Speaker 2: with your friends. It is the one thing that doesn't
Speaker 2: have gay leagues. And of course don't write to us.
Speaker 2: I'm sure we're sure it does. But they're not as
Speaker 2: popular as the gay rugby and gay dodged ball. And
Speaker 2: I actually think, of course the reason is because it's too.
Speaker 1: Close to sex. Well, of course, there's no you can't
Speaker 1: pretend you're not having as because you kind of are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know they would start having sex right
Speaker 2: there on the rink.
Speaker 1: God, back to the foot table guy, m I've always
Speaker 1: there's always like those guys that are like want to wrestle,
Speaker 1: like on scruff and stuff, And I've always been like,
Speaker 1: could be kind of exciting, but I also don't have
Speaker 1: I don't actually know how to do it. I love
Speaker 1: the premise, but I think if they actually know how
Speaker 1: to wrestle in a real way, it'll really quickly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't need to be punched in the face. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I'm trying to be a protest.
Speaker 2: By the way, maybe that's the answer. Is wrestling is
Speaker 2: so uh so dense as a text that that's the
Speaker 2: best and most like horny and inappropriate thing you could
Speaker 2: watch while using someone as a foot rest.
Speaker 1: Is like college wrestling.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to say high school because I think
Speaker 2: that would open up another can of worms, but college wrestling.
Speaker 1: I'm all in. I'm all in. Okay, Well, I've never
Speaker 1: had to piece about in my whole life. Should be Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's wrap it up. Well, I thought this was a
Speaker 1: very success full call an episode. I do want to
Speaker 1: reiterate that this could be yours for the for the
Speaker 1: very low price of five dollars a month, and also
Speaker 1: generally we're going to do more of these episodes. If
Speaker 1: you want to call into three eighty five guys at
Speaker 1: any point that you feel and just leave a message
Speaker 1: and we'll comment on it basically, and I kind of
Speaker 1: like that. We're going to just do it whenever we
Speaker 1: feel like it. Yeah, and to the guy who's voice
Speaker 1: like called gay, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: We love all the gay guys name Zach that called,
Speaker 2: and we invite even people who aren't gay guys named
Speaker 2: Zach to call from here on out. Yeah, even though
Speaker 2: Zach is trending as a name in my life. I
Speaker 2: for a while everyone was named Patrick, and now more
Speaker 2: and more people are named Zach.
Speaker 1: Huh, just something I've noticed. I can see it for sure. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: this has been an absolute delight. So goodbye. We love you,
Speaker 1: we love you. Be safe, be safe, bye bye.
Speaker 11: Hi Georgian, Sam, this looks like not for the podcast,
Speaker 11: well if it's for you, but no obligation played on
Speaker 11: the podcast. But I just wanted to say how much
Speaker 11: I loved the show and that it's really become in
Speaker 11: an earnest miss Demands a way very meaningful to me,
Speaker 11: and I want to say thanks for putting it out.
Speaker 11: I am like the opposite of you two on, a
Speaker 11: twenty five year old who lives in Texas and works
Speaker 11: in corporate finance. But I love the show. It cracks
Speaker 11: me up. I've gotten a lot of my both friends
Speaker 11: and my sister hooked on the show. And I have
Speaker 11: one friend that in particular really loves to show with me.
Speaker 11: Let me listen to it and talk about it together,
Speaker 11: and I'm we always debate on who is the Georgian,
Speaker 11: who is the Sam, and our friendship that's what I
Speaker 11: was close together, and I don't know, I knew year
Speaker 11: knew me thinking about things and wanted to say thanks
Speaker 11: for you know, putting out a great setting show that
Speaker 11: has meant a lot to me for the past year
Speaker 11: that I've been listening and I'm canching up on the
Speaker 11: backlog of you know, the years before that I wasn't
Speaker 11: listening in real time. So anyway, just want us to
Speaker 11: say things and that yeah, I love you both, and
Speaker 11: I hope your five is then off to really good starts.
Speaker 3: And yeah, okay, bye.
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