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Speaker 1: Podcast starts now. Welcome all to Stradia Lab. We are

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Speaker 1: back bi coastally on Zoom. Just me and George today, George,

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Speaker 1: how the hell are you hi?

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Speaker 2: You know, it's funny, we're so used to doing this

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Speaker 2: for Patreon. You know, the default Patreon recording is, you know,

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Speaker 2: maybe a little bit raspy voice on a Sunday afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Maybe one of us has a coffee, one of us

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Speaker 2: has a smoothie or some other type of specialty beverage.

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Speaker 2: There's no pressure to be firing on all cylinders comedically,

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Speaker 2: but when you know it through that comes the best

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Speaker 2: possible comedy because we can finally relax and be ourselves. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and sometimes I forget that most people statistically that listen

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Speaker 2: to this podcast only get the non patren episodes, And

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Speaker 2: it's kind of like, you know, we live this life

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Speaker 2: as kind of Zoom domestic partners. We have conversations, we

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Speaker 2: have debates, we cook dinner, we have breakfast, and then

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Speaker 2: people only get to see the side of us that

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Speaker 2: comes out when we have a guest.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, they see us when we've you know, spent

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Speaker 1: all day cleaning the house, when we're when we're wearing

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Speaker 1: our best shirts, when we say let's let's turn on

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Speaker 1: the face, but now we're sort of letting you in.

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Speaker 1: It's sort of this this type of episode which just

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Speaker 1: two of us. It's like being on vacation with someone

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Speaker 1: and you then wake up the next day and you're like,

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Speaker 1: so we're still hanging out.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's that, but it's also being like, God, are

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Speaker 2: so comfortable with each other that we can just stay

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Speaker 2: in the silence.

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Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely, Like one of us is.

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Speaker 2: Doing the crossword and one of us is reading the

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Speaker 2: latest issue.

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Speaker 1: Of Harper's Bus speaking of I want to talk to

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Speaker 1: you about your big party last night.

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Speaker 2: Ooh, well, I have to say you know, I went

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Speaker 2: to a big party last night. It was uh egg

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Speaker 2: how Slata, Tinder and the ACLU were the three co

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Speaker 2: hosts of this big fashion week party. And wouldn't you

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Speaker 2: know what, the MC was our very own Cat Cohen.

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Speaker 1: When you were posting pictures from there, I was like, God,

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Speaker 1: I missed New York. Oh and it was in the

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Speaker 1: Russian tea room. Have ever been? I've never even been.

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Speaker 1: I had neither.

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Speaker 2: And I actually found myself unintentionally lying and talking to

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Speaker 2: and I was like, yeah, me neither.

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Speaker 1: You know I this is this is something that we

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Speaker 1: I will let them assume it. I would never correct

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Speaker 1: someone to be like like I, yeah, I'll even go

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Speaker 1: so far say I fully lied. You know what I

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Speaker 1: about having been to basement? Oh? Yeah, I have, like

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Speaker 1: the basement. I actually don't even remember. At this point.

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Speaker 1: I'm always like, yeah, I've been to basement. And then

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Speaker 1: It was like someone I hadn't met before, and it

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Speaker 1: have you been to basement before? And I was like no,

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Speaker 1: And then it was like it was Julio, and Julio's

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Speaker 1: why I don't tell anyone but I haven't been to

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Speaker 2: Well, this is like me having a terrible sense of

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Speaker 2: you know that spot on Carmine where it's next to

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Speaker 2: I used to always go there in two thousand and seven.

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Speaker 2: I I can't bring myself because I have such a

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Speaker 2: bad sense of direction. I don't know which things are,

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Speaker 2: which things I should know, and which things are special?

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Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? I fully understand.

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Speaker 2: It's sort of like it's not embarrassing to not know

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Speaker 1: Everything well, and it's like, is there gonna be a

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Speaker 1: I don't know what you're.

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Speaker 2: Talking about, right, See, they want to have a conversation,

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Speaker 2: whereas you're trying to just get a gold star to.

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Speaker 1: Go through, to get through the day.

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Speaker 2: Like you're just trying, You're just trying to prove to

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Speaker 2: someone I'm also human. You're Amy Adams holding up the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's simply not right. It's not right at all.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I just want to say for everyone

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Speaker 2: listening and being like, God, they're being so loose and sexy,

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Speaker 2: and I wish I could hear more of this. You know,

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Speaker 2: we do this twice a month over on the over

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Speaker 2: on the Patreon, Patreon, dot com, slash stradio app, and

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Speaker 2: it is we are churning them out all.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you had fun at this party. Yes, I

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Speaker 1: had such a good time at the party. I really did.

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Speaker 2: Actually, I was very you know, with events, of course,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really hit or miss.

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Speaker 2: It could go. You could be the outsider who doesn't

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Speaker 2: I wish an outsider would come in, someone like Ryan

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Speaker 2: nice to see Kat like working the room. They played,

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Speaker 2: like the perfect balance of you know, there would be

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Speaker 2: a B side from a Madonna's American Life album, so

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Speaker 1: Dabra m Heaven Have Been.

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Speaker 2: And Martini's were flowing. Finger food was the perfect the

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Speaker 2: suddenly you're having whole slices of pizza. Yeah, but it

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Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, And doesn't Kat famously love pigs and blankets?

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Speaker 1: I actually do think that's true. Wow. I wonder if

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Speaker 1: it was because of Kat. Maybe it was because of Cat.

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Speaker 2: She kept she kept like making really funny references to

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Speaker 2: the idea that Egouslata, Tinder, and the ACLU were natural partners,

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Speaker 1: So she kept just being like, name a more iconic trio.

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Speaker 1: more distance I have New York, the more that I'm

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Speaker 1: just like it's literally Sex and the City. Like I'm like, God,

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Speaker 1: and it's weird to see it from a zoom out lens.

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Speaker 2: Well, especially Russian Tirium. You know, have you ever been

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Speaker 2: to Tao And don't lie. I've never been to tow So

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Speaker 2: got to tell you, you know, obviously there's some it's glam

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like working in Hollywood.

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Speaker 2: That's right, Well, yes, that's like, yeah, it's like working

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Speaker 1: Yeah, or yeah, Amazon funded.

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Speaker 2: Or Amazon funded. So what are we doing today? Tell

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Speaker 1: So pretty much today we're gonna it's very loose. We're

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Speaker 1: not even we don't even say things like we're going

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Speaker 1: it totally. It's conversation. It's a prompt.

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Speaker 1: And you're not paying for it. This is that supported Malma.

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Speaker 1: I'm actually tired for no good reason. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: really like I was like, is this what it's like

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Speaker 2: I can go whenever I want in microdose being a parent. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, why would I have my own? No?

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Speaker 2: But then also if I'm driven to see her, does

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Speaker 2: that mean I want to be a parent. It's unclear.

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Speaker 1: It's unclear. The whole thing confuses me quite a bit.

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Speaker 1: I know, well, here's the thing. Sorry, Will, I will

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's so hard to how like, uh, these things

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Speaker 2: Oh, also have to say gig guy, helloes have gotten

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you at least have to gomah as you do it. Yes,

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Speaker 1: This is a lip party. So then I'll go for

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Speaker 2: One, and he'll like like not be ready for it,

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, no, it's not my fault. Like I

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Speaker 1: The president was set. I'm just following president, that is true.

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Speaker 1: I love the gig guy.

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Speaker 2: Hello, you know, it's funny, we've just created a version

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Speaker 2: you doing with your random online friend you've met once before?

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Speaker 2: Speaking of gay versus straight? Howbout we take a first call.

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Speaker 1: Let's do it.

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Speaker 3: Hi, George, Hi Sam, a big fan. My name is Zach.

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Speaker 3: So I came out really late. I came out at

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Speaker 4: And I have a wonderful boyfriend who is like my

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Speaker 3: Like at his first day of public high school.

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Speaker 5: So I guess my question is, like, how do I

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Speaker 3: And like how do I know, like what parts of myself.

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Speaker 4: Are truly me versus what I like conditioned myself to act,

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Speaker 1: Thanks Bite, an even a voice like that, I don't

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Speaker 2: I actually you know, I was going to say he

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Speaker 1: Well it can be hot and still be gay sounding.

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Speaker 2: Wow, look at me doing internalized homophobia. You're like, your

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Speaker 2: voice sounds a gay like No, actually it was pretty

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Speaker 2: I just want to say, I think it's the perfect

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Speaker 1: And I think it's a great gay voice.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's especially by the way, it's no

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Speaker 1: I think it's a perfectly lovely voice. And I'm sorry

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Speaker 1: I say it because it's it's always a funny question.

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Speaker 2: I distinctly remember having this issue, you know, go into

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Speaker 1: I wish there were some examples. I think, like, I know,

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Speaker 1: I've always joked that I wish I had been closeted

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Speaker 1: it is so funny to be like, yes, i'm, i'm, i'm,

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Speaker 2: You know, to that point, I just want to say

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Speaker 2: and I think it's not cute anymore. Like stop it,

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Speaker 2: because actually, at this point it's not ironic. You are

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Speaker 1: Is that too much to ask? We're not asking you

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Speaker 2: It's just as kind of basic and normal as if

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Speaker 1: It doesn't make you special. No.

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Speaker 2: And I'm also especially angry about this today because I so,

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Speaker 2: Matthew and I have a reservation for four at this restaurant.

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Speaker 2: Every single one has Super Bowl plans. Really, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I've even this year is like In the past,

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Speaker 2: So I will say, in terms of this question, you

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Speaker 1: That's true.

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Speaker 2: But my favorite part of this question is definitely the

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Speaker 2: question of how to disentangle what is actually your authentic

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Mine is indie rock music exactly. Mine is that

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Speaker 1: when I get drunk, I'll say, let's put on silver juice. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: was this just like because I was in this friend

433
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Speaker 1: group in college that like this was the currency and

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Speaker 1: this is all my memories of that. But it's like

435
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Speaker 1: there's not really a difference. I think, like I kind

436
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Speaker 1: of think there's no way to disentangle those things. Yeah,

437
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Speaker 1: I also think.

438
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Speaker 2: It's still you, like, if anything, your connection to those

439
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 2: things could be more complex because it is because you

440
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:12,640
Speaker 2: have a more a more multifaceted relationship to it than

441
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 2: just someone who's like that rocks.

442
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Speaker 1: And I do think there's something I understand this color too.

443
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 1: Sometimes I get jealous of a of a guy who

444
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:25,320
Speaker 1: is like just was gay from the from the jump,

445
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 1: like knows all the like Britney spears b sides for

446
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Speaker 1: some reason that no one else listens to, and it's

447
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:32,959
Speaker 1: like like you're they really feel like they're in it.

448
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 1: They're in the gay culture in a way where you're like,

449
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Speaker 1: that's so different than my relationship with it. And it's

450
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Speaker 1: not that I don't like Britney Spears, I just only

451
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Speaker 1: know the hits and so it's but I also think

452
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Speaker 1: it's all uh, everyone has varying levels of involvement in

453
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Speaker 1: the gay culture. George, think what what's your straight thing? Oh?

454
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Speaker 2: I will tell you in a second. But do you

455
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Speaker 2: think a previous generation of gay men is like listening

456
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Speaker 2: to this and rolling in their graves? That are examples

457
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Speaker 2: of gay culture? Are Britney Spears b sides rather than

458
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:09,360
Speaker 2: like the opera and like like.

459
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Speaker 1: Going to the Philharmonic? Yeah, maybe whatever, whatever, guess what whatever? Oh,

460
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:16,920
Speaker 1: they're gonna be fucking dead soon.

461
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then we'll be and will be condescending to

462
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:30,640
Speaker 2: kids that are for whom the like foundational gay text

463
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,400
Speaker 2: are the TikTok of that one girl being like it's

464
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 2: about food, it's about omega threes and fatty proteins. And

465
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 2: then we're like, how about you listen to Email My

466
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Speaker 2: Heart by Britney Spears.

467
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Speaker 1: Bitch, Yeah, no, a real song.

468
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Speaker 2: So mine the only thing I can think of, honestly,

469
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Speaker 2: I mean, I will say I went through like a

470
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Speaker 2: soccer phase.

471
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Speaker 1: But I think that was.

472
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Speaker 2: More so because I like the pageantry of things like

473
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Speaker 2: the Olympi, things like the euro Cup. I like to

474
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,199
Speaker 2: see countries that normally don't get their due, countries like

475
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 2: you know Argentina, let's say, or or Brazil, you know,

476
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Speaker 2: countries that are not global superpowers, be like number one

477
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Speaker 2: at something.

478
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Speaker 1: So I did.

479
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Speaker 2: I would say, like in the early odds, I would

480
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Speaker 2: like regularly watch the World Cup or the EuroCup, and

481
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Speaker 2: I will I will say it that when I came

482
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Speaker 2: to America, I did get off on knowing something that

483
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 2: like having a sense of history about something that other

484
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,679
Speaker 2: Americans did not and being able to like switch that

485
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 2: gear and be like, oh, did you know George knows

486
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 2: about soccer? So that was one and then the other

487
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 2: one I think was just I think I liked a

488
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 2: lot more like classic stand up, like George Carlin classic

489
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Speaker 2: stand up.

490
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Speaker 1: You were much more balt from the jump, That's true.

491
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 2: Like I'd be like into watching George Carlin's HBO specials,

492
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,239
Speaker 2: or like looking up like Richard Pryor or things like that.

493
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,919
Speaker 2: Of course, really took me right to Joan Rivers very fast.

494
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 2: So I don't want to overstate how much I stayed

495
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Speaker 2: in that zone.

496
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Speaker 1: Well you know, if people knew how much I used

497
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: to stand Louis c K, there'd be some issues. Oh yeah,

498
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Speaker 1: I mean, one of the best to ever do it.

499
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Speaker 2: But I just want to say, you know, I think, like,

500
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:25,679
Speaker 2: sorry if this is a cop out, but I do

501
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 2: just think, literally, you have to just let go. Like

502
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 2: you have this amazing boyfriend. It seems like you do

503
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 2: have queer community, you have other queer friends. Just because

504
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:39,400
Speaker 2: they know another song or film more play than you do,

505
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 2: doesn't mean you have to have any insecurity about it.

506
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 2: And guess what, you are a You're gonna be a

507
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 2: lifelong learner. We're all still learning things. I every single

508
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:53,679
Speaker 2: time some random gay, gay icon celebrity dies that have

509
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:57,640
Speaker 2: never heard of, I feel so dumb. But then guess what,

510
00:25:58,280 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 2: you just look them up and then I'm ready to

511
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 2: go the next day and I'm posting I can't believe

512
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 2: she was taken from us so soon at.

513
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Speaker 1: Ninety eight years young, ninety you'res young, rest and power,

514
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 1: Rest and power. But yeah, I fully agree. I think, Yeah,

515
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 1: it's a lifelong it's a lifelong journey. It's a lifelong journey.

516
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 2: And I actually just think, like, how exciting that you're

517
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 2: four years into being out and you have this great

518
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 2: boyfriend that you like and you know you're listening to

519
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 2: Stradio Lab. I mean that is more than so many

520
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 2: people can say for themselves. I know you're doing the

521
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 2: work and you have a beautiful, sexy voice, and I

522
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 2: stand by.

523
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 1: That that sounds LGBTQ plus that's right positive.

524
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 2: All right, next call, Okay, I will say this person

525
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 2: A called on Christmas Eve B had the same He

526
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 2: has the same area code that I did when I

527
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 2: lived in New Jersey. So shout out from one Jersey

528
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,439
Speaker 2: girl to another. Mama, thanks for calling in.

529
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Speaker 6: Hi George and Sam.

530
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Speaker 7: This is like kind of creepy and weird, and I

531
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Speaker 7: was like, I don't know if I should send this message,

532
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:00,400
Speaker 7: but here I am.

533
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: I was out to dinner and lo and behold.

534
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 7: I sat next to the one and only Sam Tiger

535
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 7: because it was one of those restaurants that was really

536
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 7: really you know, close quartersy in Brooklyn, and I knew

537
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 7: you were there, and I didn't want to be weird

538
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 7: and say I love the podcast that I wanted to

539
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 7: call and say I love the podcast. And also is

540
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 7: it weird to say.

541
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 3: Hey, I liked the podcast and I laughed weekly too,

542
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 3: or was I correct and not saying anything.

543
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 7: I can't decide truly if it's straight or.

544
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 6: Gay to choose one way or the other.

545
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 7: So I'd appreciate your input.

546
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 2: By Sam, Do you have any recollection of what this

547
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,199
Speaker 2: could have been? It was in New York, so it

548
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 2: was when you were visiting New York.

549
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 1: I think it was at Ops Pizza pizza place. Yeah,

550
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 1: if I had to guess.

551
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 2: Did you notice someone sort of shaking and looking and

552
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 2: sneaking looks at you and and you know, sweating and

553
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 2: sort of tearing up and trying to make this decision?

554
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,959
Speaker 1: No, I didn't notice. And in fact, you know, whenever

555
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: I'm at Ops or a similar bush Lack based arresta rand,

556
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: I sort of look around with an expectation of so

557
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: does anyone know who I am? Or or have I

558
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: completely lost touch with everyone? And yeah, go ahead, go ahead,

559
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: Like there are days if I'm at like say the

560
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: x Lee, and no one comes up to me and says,

561
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: I like the podcast, I go, I guess I'm dead.

562
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 1: I guess no one. I guess no one cares about

563
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: me and I am dead so to this caller always

564
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: at this stage in our lives come up and say hello,

565
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: I we are simply not famous enough to have that

566
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: be an issue. And it is still at a point

567
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: where it is so so so tasteful, and.

568
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 2: I want to echo that and say it genuinely. Is

569
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 2: it genuinely?

570
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: Is positive? Every time?

571
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 2: I feel like it's very rare that you know, it's

572
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 2: someone that's like weird and I'm like, oh God, now

573
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 2: I have to deal with this person. It's actually very

574
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 2: nice to see that the people who listen are cool,

575
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 2: and I'm like, damn, you're like, are rocking that little

576
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 2: outfit and you're out and about and you are you

577
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 2: are going to go into that vintage store and you

578
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 2: are going to come out with, you know, a pair

579
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 2: of Levi's five O fives that actually figure perfectly because

580
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 2: you know, you're one of those people that know how

581
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 2: to shop vintage denim and can say is this from

582
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 2: eighty seven or ninety one?

583
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: Couldn't be me? But I respect you, and you know

584
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: specifically come to us. If we're with friends family, I

585
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: find that they will respect us more afterwards, and it

586
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: sort of proves our egos after that.

587
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, we have so many experiences not

588
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 2: to get vulnerable that actually bring us down a notch

589
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 2: on a day to day basis, just by virtue of

590
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 2: you know, the people were surrounded by so we it

591
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 2: always is welcome to you just get a little pang

592
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 2: of recognition. I'll tell you an example of something I'm

593
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 2: talking about at the very party I was just talking

594
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 2: about last night. I see someone I know coming out

595
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 2: of this out of this venue, and I think she's

596
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 2: waving at me. I do a little wave Bee lines

597
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 2: right past.

598
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: Me to Ella m Hoff. Oh. So that's what we're

599
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: dealing with on a daily basis, folks. Folks, that is

600
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: really funny. So yeah, if you see me at ops,

601
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: you better fucking say hello. You gotta come up and

602
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: say fucking him. Yeah yeah, okay, wait, let's do should

603
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: we do the next one? Yeah? Okay, hiy, Sam and George.

604
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Speaker 6: I just listen to your ins and outs for twenty

605
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 6: twenty five episode. And I completely agree with what you

606
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 6: said about tomorrow based cocktails. I one day wanted a

607
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 6: Chinar Sprits Ginar tomorrow, but I didn't have any prosecco

608
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 6: or campaign, so I just used some lemon Tello Lacroix,

609
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 6: and it was spectacular. It is great if you don't

610
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 6: want to have anything particularly strong. It's essentially just watered

611
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 6: down tomorrow. We cannot recommend it enough. I also think

612
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 6: Chinar is a particularly gay tomorrow, and I would be

613
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 6: interested to hear the two of you rank various tomorrows

614
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 6: by gayness too straightness.

615
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 3: That's all.

616
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: So I have a huge surprise about this call.

617
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 2: Okay, that I texted our dear friend Alison Roman, and

618
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 2: I said, you know, Alison, I know you just gave

619
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 2: birth two months ago and are in fact the mother

620
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 2: of an infant, but you have to drop everything, including

621
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 2: your child, to answer this.

622
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: Question from our dear caller.

623
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 2: And so I asked her to sort of kind of

624
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 2: off the top of her head, tell me which Amari

625
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 2: she thinks are gay and which one she straight, and

626
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 2: so well, I can post her texts. We can post

627
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 2: her texts on Instagram. But some highlights. She says Montenegro

628
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 2: is straight. She says Facia Bruto is bisexual but gay,

629
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 2: which is actually very wise and I completely agree with.

630
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 2: She sent me a link for Amaro Nonino.

631
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: Have you ever had that look up? The bottle.

632
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 2: She basically she was like, this one's gay, and I

633
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 2: completely agree. It is so stunning, and I it's to

634
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 2: have that in your in your home bar. I mean,

635
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 2: you are hosting You're not even hosting an OSCARS party

636
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 2: because that's too conventional. You're hosting a Critics Choice Awards

637
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 2: viewing party. And then I asked her, you know, to me,

638
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 2: three of the main kind of like basic ones that

639
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 2: you see everywhere are Jennar, Averna, and Fernette. And I

640
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 2: was like, all right, let's rank those gata straight and

641
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 2: she said, from gata straight Chenar, Averona Fernett, which goes

642
00:32:58,280 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 2: along with what this caller is saying that.

643
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: Chennar sort of gay.

644
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 2: I do think of Aaron is kind of down the middle,

645
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 2: and Fournett is to me very like straight bartender after

646
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 2: his shift, you know, with with the boys.

647
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very like forty five year old like former

648
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: punk band who now like owns the bar totally.

649
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 2: And it's also like adjacent to Williamsburg two thousand and

650
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Speaker 2: eight era unicyclen up.

651
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really funny. Do you have any thoughts on Amari?

652
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 8: No?

653
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: I agree, I think Shanar, I think you know the

654
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 1: way that it is difficult to pronounce. You know, many

655
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: many people have their own way of saying it. That's

656
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: obviously one of the gayest elements. First, it's the love

657
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: of Amari exactly. I went through a big Shannar phase

658
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: because I was I had convinced myself that this was

659
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: like five years ago when I hadn't figured out what

660
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: was going on inside of my body, where I was

661
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: like certain alcohols really upset my stomach, and then that one,

662
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: I was like, this one is? This one works? So

663
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: I was having like that with tequila and was that good.

664
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: It was so good, it was sort of like a

665
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: it was almost like a tequila Manhattan or something. I know.

666
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: I find that they really add a.

667
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 2: Sophistic like an elevated fountain drink element to whatever cocktail

668
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,439
Speaker 2: you're having, which is sometimes exactly what I want.

669
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, basically h And I want to give.

670
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,720
Speaker 2: A shout out to you know, I've been I'm sticking

671
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 2: with our prediction that Amara based cocktails are in for

672
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, and I've been ordering them left and

673
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 2: right at restaurants.

674
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 1: Really.

675
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 2: I recently had a very good one at Eel Bar

676
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 2: in New York, so if you're in if you're in Manhattan,

677
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 2: check it out huge.

678
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: Okay, oh okay, this is a good one.

679
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 6: Hi, Samon George. This is Zach calling from our nation's.

680
00:34:58,920 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 3: Capital, Washington, DC.

681
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 6: My question is where are the gayest and straightest places.

682
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 9: On your body to get a tattoo?

683
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: You?

684
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 2: I want to say the second Zach, we've had this

685
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 2: round and also usually are we have a pretty balanced gender.

686
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 2: We have a pretty like good gender balance and calls.

687
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 2: But this time specifically, it's a lot of gay guys.

688
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: I mean they took three eight five, three eight five.

689
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: Is that our number? Three eight five gay guys? They

690
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: took three eight five gay guys? Quite literally? Yeah, it's

691
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: like that doesn't mean you can only call if you're

692
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: a gay guy. Anyone can call you guys. So the

693
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: gayest parts or straightest parts to get a tattoo on

694
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: your body? This is complex because okay, here's one that

695
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: I think goes in the gay category. Yeah, I think

696
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: upper thigh one because I see a lot of gay

697
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: guys do this and then where their little short shorts

698
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: that you can see the tattoos still, Yeah, and I

699
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: find that to be fun. I actually like that placement

700
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: I'm like the lower back tattoo, I want to know

701
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 1: where you think it stands these days.

702
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 2: Okay, so my first thought just off the top of

703
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 2: my head about this question is the more conventional placements

704
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 2: are the more straight, and the less conventional ones are

705
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 2: the more game. So straight is like it is are

706
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 2: like upper arm where someone would have like a big

707
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 2: cross like that is straight. Lower back tattoo, classic sort

708
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 2: of woman on spring break. You know she's having the

709
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,919
Speaker 2: time of her life and she's getting a frozen mark

710
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 2: like that is straight. I think chest, like a lion

711
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 2: on your chest, is straight, like like I chest, upper arm,

712
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 2: lower back. You know, it's very straight to me. Ankle

713
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 2: like ankle is to me kind of like a mom

714
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 2: from Colorado that is one Facebook post away from being

715
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 2: anti vacs, but she loves the outdoors and she sort

716
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 2: of you know, she'll like call her husband a pussy.

717
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: Wrist to me is also very straight in that same category,

718
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: wrist is very straight.

719
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,720
Speaker 2: And also anything like anywhere you could imagine an infinity

720
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 2: symbol going yeah wow. So then I completely agree with

721
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 2: you about the leg placement. I think similarly to that,

722
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 2: something that's like in the lower arm, like right below

723
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 2: the elbow and.

724
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: Off center or something is very gay.

725
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 2: It's very like, you know, it's sort of on the

726
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 2: continuum of graphic designer architect, you know, kind of that

727
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 2: you know, yes, you're mixing art and commerce, but you're

728
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 2: doing it tastefully.

729
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: Here's one. I think belly tattoos are back, yes, like

730
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 1: in a big way, like Cisco style, yeah, or like

731
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: and I think and I'm specifically seeing like bears get

732
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: them mmmm in a way that I think is a

733
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: cool look. Yeah. And and I do think it's because

734
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: I'm not seeing like straight guys with abs do it.

735
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: I'm seeing like gay bears have them in a way

736
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: that I'm like, well, that's so I'm counting that when

737
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 1: it's gay now too belly like over the belly button. Yeah,

738
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: like sort of like the Tupac thing. Oh I see, see,

739
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: I see.

740
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 2: Okay, I was of course imagining Cisco's thing that goes

741
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:29,240
Speaker 2: around his belly button.

742
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, I was thinking, okay, yeah, like the Tupac.

743
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,760
Speaker 2: Like yeah, yeah, which is also I mean this is different,

744
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 2: but like Rihanna underboob tattoo.

745
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is gay. Yes, I think that. I think

746
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 1: I think that counts as gay.

747
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,320
Speaker 2: I think if it was someone other than Rihanna that

748
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,240
Speaker 2: had popularized that, it could have gone into the straight direction.

749
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 2: But I think she has enough of a cool factor

750
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 2: that it may that it remains slightly off kilter.

751
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,240
Speaker 1: Hot hot take. I think face tattoos are straight.

752
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 2: One face tattoos are I mean, I keep wanting to

753
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 2: say Benson Boone, but that's someone different. But like, you

754
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 2: know exactly what I'm talking about when I say Benson Boone.

755
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: They are.

756
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 2: Face tattoos are like the thing that someone named Benson

757
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 2: Boone would have.

758
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're thinking, you have like post malone, post malone,

759
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: and who's that like little swimmer, Like what was that

760
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: swim swimming Teddy swims or something?

761
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,760
Speaker 2: Teddy swims. We want tattoos, I would say, are also straight. Yeah,

762
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 2: but here's the twist. Neck tattoos are also lesbian.

763
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: Hmmm.

764
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 2: I think there's a you know there are a little

765
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 2: bit hey MoMA lesbian. Uh you know, big baseball.

766
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 1: Cap straight rim Yeah.

767
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's like her name is Lauren, but not

768
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 2: in like a chica, not in like a we're going

769
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 2: a brunch away and I will knife you way.

770
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 1: Yeah I see that. Oh, while we're on the topic

771
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 1: of lesbians. Can I divert from this? I think we

772
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: covered the tattoos. We can I say one more thing? Yeah, rib, rib,

773
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: gay or straight?

774
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 2: That Actually I think like rib, you know, under your armpit.

775
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 2: I almost think that is the most down the middle,

776
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 2: that is the most bisexual, because I think it really

777
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 2: it depends on the vibe of the person who has it.

778
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 1: And it's almost like rib is the arm of gay.

779
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 2: It's like a RIB tattoo is like either a straight

780
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 2: person trying to be alt or a gay person trying

781
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 2: to be tasteful.

782
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and all of these it's just like they will

783
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: all be gay if they're sticking poke, you know.

784
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 2: Yes, I want to talk about I want to talk

785
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 2: about our backlash.

786
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: I want to talk about our clip. We posted a

787
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: clip in which we were talking discussing lesbians and saying

788
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: and they love mask and film.

789
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 2: Yes, the butcher and femme dichotomy in lesbian and other

790
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 2: queer communities.

791
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 1: And then we said we need to have a summit

792
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: to talk to the lesbians about this. And so, in

793
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 1: sort of classic online fashion, we're getting like random random

794
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:13,720
Speaker 1: people out of the woodwork being like really angry.

795
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 2: Which I get by the way, and we knew that. Sorry,

796
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 2: but like I knew that would happen, Like we know

797
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 2: it's every.

798
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: One here, Yeah, we know what we're doing here. It

799
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 1: was like an obvious thing, but in a way that

800
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: I kind of thought like that style of Internet had passed.

801
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 1: Like I was sort of like, there's so much like

802
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 1: stuff in the world that like, there's no way we're

803
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: gonna get random people coming out and being like this

804
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,919
Speaker 1: is disgusting, stay in your lane like stuff like that.

805
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 2: But I actually think the fact that we haven't gotten

806
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 2: more is a sign of what you're saying. Really, I

807
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 2: think so because I think in it. I think in

808
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 2: twenty twenty, that would be like shared in the front

809
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 2: page of the New York Times and it would be

810
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 2: like the chasm between gay men and gay women.

811
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:04,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think like there's a part of me where

812
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: you because you chose that clip and I actually thought

813
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: it was genius, and I felt like we were like

814
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: letting go of the wall of the pool. We were

815
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: like actually swimming because we're betting Tetty Swims, We're reading

816
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: Teddy Swims. Because we both knew there's going to be

817
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: people that take this out of context and are mad,

818
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: but it's also like you look at the clip and

819
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: everything said is actually deeply inoffensive, and so it's like

820
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:28,720
Speaker 1: and we're.

821
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 2: Literally saying the entire time, we don't know we want

822
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 2: to talk to lesbians about it.

823
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so it was just like I was actually

824
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: very proud of us for committing. Sure, we're going elon mode.

825
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: We're going, we're going, we're getting like, we're not leading

826
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 1: with fear.

827
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 2: No, we're not leading with here, and I think and

828
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 2: we're also trusting, we're trusting our audience, yeah, which I

829
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 2: actually think. I think being like condescending to your audience

830
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 2: and treating them as chill is much more offensive than

831
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:06,720
Speaker 2: just trusting that they understand context and are open minded

832
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 2: about your flaws and the gaps in your knowledge.

833
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: And we're like just like fine with it. Like the

834
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: people being like posting something crazy, it's sort of like

835
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: it's weird to look at because you're like, well that's bizarre,

836
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: and you like almost want to be like, hey, I

837
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: think you're misunderstanding, but then you're like, oh, who cares,

838
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 1: Like whatever.

839
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 2: You now there's something you know, you see a comment

840
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 2: that grossly misstates what you said or something, and of

841
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 2: course you want to be offended, but you can also

842
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 2: just be like, isn't it beautiful? We're all part of

843
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 2: this giant community and it's such a big tent that

844
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 2: your dumb ass can coexist with me in the common

845
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 2: section of this stupid random video.

846
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: It's really it is interesting the different internets everyone is on. Yeah,

847
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: and that was actually like the way that people are

848
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: disliking this clip again, we'll make it do better, like

849
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: and it's a big question. You know.

850
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 2: That's what I learned from Chris Hayes's book about the

851
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 2: attend economy. You know, it's it's not about good or bad.

852
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 2: It's just about attention or no attention.

853
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was interesting. Yeah. First, the lesson from

854
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: Trump is be more like him. I mean, folks, if

855
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: you can't beat him.

856
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 2: All right, Wait, not to be so obsessed with this

857
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 2: tattoo question, but final question finger tattoos a la Ariana Grande,

858
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 2: where do you stand?

859
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 1: Well, this is where I was almost afraid for this

860
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: to be asked, because it's really complex because I think

861
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: when women get the like Ariana Grande really dainty ones

862
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: that to me is so like straight girl that lives

863
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: in La. Well, it's it's a straight girl that has

864
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: read the body keeps a score. Yeah, and like, to me,

865
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: it's a sign of you know, I'm thinking of like

866
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: one specific woman I saw at brunch maybe two months

867
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: ago that I actually haven't been able to shake because

868
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: she had the little finger tattoos, but everything was so done,

869
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: like the makeup was perfect, the hair was perfect, like,

870
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: and this is at like eleven am on a Saturday,

871
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: And I was like, you're like almost wanting the finger

872
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: tattoos to show like I'm not perfect, but everything inside

873
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 1: of you is screaming, please see me as perfect. Seeing

874
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: the finger tattoos just adds more perfection. Like I'm like,

875
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 1: that is just you're trying to balance how perfect everything

876
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: is and you can't. Like that's too perfect. Also genius,

877
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 1: so I'm But then the knuckle tats also, I go

878
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: either way like that because it.

879
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 2: Could be leather, it could be leather culture. Yeah, yeah,

880
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 2: the eagle, you know, stud exact knuckles.

881
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: And so I'm torn on that because I don't know

882
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: many straight guys who like just sincerely do that nowadays. Total.

883
00:45:53,960 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: Maybe that's because I only know with cucks and losers. Yeah,

884
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: but I do know gay guys who have it because

885
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: of that eagle vibe.

886
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I also think it's hot totally. I would

887
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 2: say also anything around the collarbone, I think, no matter

888
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 2: the gender, is pretty gay.

889
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, all.

890
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 2: Right, next call Oh now this is this is a

891
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 2: big star of the night.

892
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:26,879
Speaker 9: Hey, George and Sam. I have a question for what

893
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 9: you would do in.

894
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 6: A scenario that I have experienced recently.

895
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,439
Speaker 9: So I meet this cute guy on an apt and

896
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 9: he says he wants to come over and have me

897
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 9: use him as a foot rest while I watch TV.

898
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 9: And I was kind of like, that's a new one

899
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 9: for me, but you know, I can oblige easy enough.

900
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 9: But then I was like, well, what do I watch? Like, Like,

901
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 9: I can't.

902
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 8: Like, I don't know, put on an episode of drag Race,

903
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 8: or maybe maybe I could and we could both watch together,

904
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,439
Speaker 8: And I don't know. I was really kind of going

905
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 8: through a spiral trying to think of what would be

906
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 8: appropriate in that scenario. I ended up going with a

907
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 8: hockey game because that felt safe. I don't even follow sports,

908
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 8: and I don't think hitos either, but that just kind

909
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 8: of felt like it was the right of mood. But

910
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 8: I'm curious what you would do in that situation, like

911
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 8: what TV shows or movies do you think would be

912
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 8: good to watch while you're using a stranger from the

913
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 8: internet as a flowrest.

914
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 9: Let me know what you think.

915
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 1: Okay, bye, damn. I love that.

916
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 2: First of all, I'm standing up and I'm giving that

917
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 2: a standing ovation Nicole Scherzinger style at Sunset Boulevard. I'm saying,

918
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 2: you ate that, bitch.

919
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: You ate that bitch. I want to commend you for

920
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: your approach to sexuality. I feel like I have a

921
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: really similar approach where you know, I've I've been on

922
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: record as saying this and I stand by it. I

923
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: unfortunately have an improviser's approach to sexuality where if someone

924
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: says I want to try this, I'm like, sure, yeah, okay,

925
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: I'll try that totally. And I like there are people

926
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: that you get hit up by on the apps where

927
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: they're like, I want to do this, and you're sort

928
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 1: of like, well, especially when it's like low effort for you,

929
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 1: where it's like, if you're getting a kick out of this,

930
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:20,879
Speaker 1: and I can tell people I get to use someone

931
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: as so foot rest, then sure I'll.

932
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 2: Try it, and I want to commend you for So

933
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 2: that's that's sort of your Sam side is the improviser's

934
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 2: approach to sexuality. I think the George side of this

935
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 2: is hearing that and your thought being not like questioning

936
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 2: the sexual part of it, but questioning what what do

937
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 2: you watch on TV? Like that kind of like neurotic

938
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 2: indecisiveness and then being like paralyzed by that choice so

939
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 2: much so that you sort of like forget what you're

940
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 2: doing this all for is very you know, me sitting

941
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 2: down to write, I really.

942
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 1: Do see how complicated it is, because I think I'm

943
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: a little confused, like do you use him as a

944
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: foot rest and then hook up? Or is it just

945
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: you use him as a footrist rest and then leave?

946
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: Because if you're then hooking up, then I would want

947
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:14,879
Speaker 1: something that's sexy to you as well. Yeah, Like, but yeah,

948
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,439
Speaker 1: if you're just like, if you're if the whole goal

949
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,919
Speaker 1: is sort of just ignore him, then I think it

950
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,919
Speaker 1: could be fun to put on something that even something

951
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 1: that you enjoy that he like actively does not know

952
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: anything about totally. I was even thinking it would be

953
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 1: fun to sort of put on like or do something

954
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: that he doesn't want to see and don't let him watch,

955
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 1: Like put on like the new episode of Severance and

956
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: be like you, but but you have to turn away

957
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: from the TV. All I enjoy it? What about this? Okay?

958
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:51,399
Speaker 2: You do like an exaggerated version of not being able

959
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 2: to decide what you want to watch and you're just

960
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 2: going from Netflix homepage to HBO homepage to Amazon homepage

961
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 2: pricing something and then like get out of their two

962
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 2: minutes in like doing the most annoying possible things someone

963
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 2: could experience secondhand.

964
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 1: I actually love that. I think that's really torturous.

965
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 2: I think that could be fun. I think, needless to say,

966
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 2: there's something especially can give about watching like a really

967
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:23,720
Speaker 2: wholesome like family, like truly watching a Christmas story while

968
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 2: you are using someone as if at rest.

969
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is fun.

970
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 2: Or along similar lines, watching like a rom com, like

971
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 2: watching Devil Wors you know, Bridge Jones's Diary or something.

972
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: What would you like realistically you're going to do this,

973
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:45,439
Speaker 1: what would you choose? Okay, let's see, because I think,

974
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 1: unfortunately for me, I would choose something sort of inoffensive,

975
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: like I do think I would watch like Honestly Survivor,

976
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 1: like something that I can check in on or can

977
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 1: check out of. And yeah, I think I would watch

978
00:50:58,360 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: something like a little innocuous like that.

979
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 2: I have to say, I think in theory that is

980
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 2: the right thing to do, and I actually think that's

981
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 2: what this person would want. I would sort of not

982
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 2: be able to resist the temptation to watch something gay

983
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 2: and just sort of like add another layer of kind

984
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 2: of confusion to the whole thing, Like just watch something

985
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 2: that I know has a very intense sex seed and

986
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 2: just be like, let's see where this goes.

987
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:25,240
Speaker 1: Sure, that's fun.

988
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 2: I don't know why, but I keep wanting to say

989
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 2: Michael Clayton or like a legal thriller. Yeah, because because

990
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 2: you know what it is is Okay, here's what I

991
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 2: think is drawing me to it. You want something that

992
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 2: gets your heart rate up and has tension, but not

993
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 2: in a sexual away because that would be too obvious.

994
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 2: Like it's actually sort of amateurish to press play on

995
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 2: like literal porn. But what if you press play on

996
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,879
Speaker 2: Run Lola run, you know what I mean?

997
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: Yeah? Or the born identity, Well, I'd love to do

998
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: a rewatch. Of course. I do think the hockey game

999
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: is a smart choice. Yeah, no, I get, but but

1000
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 1: then it's also like a little too performative. If you

1001
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: don't even really care, well that's the thing.

1002
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 2: If you don't care, then you're basically sitting there being like,

1003
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 2: oh my god, I can't believe I'm using him as

1004
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 2: a put rest.

1005
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,800
Speaker 1: I can't believe you're a put rest. You do you

1006
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: actually want to watch?

1007
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 2: Yeah? Right, exactly? Okay, Wow, this is interesting. I also

1008
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 2: I sort of want to know like how this night

1009
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 2: turned out.

1010
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: I mean, all media in and sex are confusing. This

1011
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: is something I think about a lot with Like I

1012
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 1: don't know, like if if you're like hanging out with

1013
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 1: people who are like potential sexual partners and you're like,

1014
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: you know, hanging out playing music, it's like normal, and

1015
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: then you're like, okay, let's go to the bedroom, and

1016
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: then there's no music, and it's sort of like, oh well,

1017
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: this now feels like very like let's get it done,

1018
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, you want that like hang out

1019
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: vibe still. But then if you're like very purposely putting

1020
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 1: on music in the bedroom, it's a little like, well,

1021
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: you're a pervert, Like don't like why would you stop

1022
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 1: and think about what music to play? And then and

1023
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: then like had to have a sex play Like the

1024
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 1: topic taste of sex music is.

1025
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 2: One of the most confusing areas. I would say, yeah,

1026
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:19,280
Speaker 2: you literally can't. It's so difficult to find the happy medium.

1027
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 2: We're on the one hand, you're trying so hard if

1028
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 2: you're putting on Shot Day Total whatever. But then on

1029
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:26,720
Speaker 2: the other side, you're not going to put on Vampire Weekend,

1030
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 2: But like, what is it?

1031
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:33,879
Speaker 1: And I genuinely don't know. I mean it's like even

1032
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: something like Joni Mitchell is like, whoa, that's what what

1033
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: are you? What are you doing? You know, it's the

1034
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 1: most cliche you know that band rye No is it

1035
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 1: our a ye make the do me.

1036
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 2: Our our h y e it is They truly make

1037
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:57,839
Speaker 2: by the way, I'm a fan, don't get me wrong,

1038
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:01,479
Speaker 2: but they make sex music for straight people who live

1039
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 2: in Clinton Hill, Like it is specifically meant to be

1040
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 2: played in that context and listen, it does the job,

1041
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 2: but it is so obviously for that that it almost

1042
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:20,839
Speaker 2: like desexualizes what you're doing. Okay, here's my final thought

1043
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 2: on this footrest thing. Regardless of what you watch, here's

1044
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 2: what you do after it's over. Ready, literally just get up,

1045
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 2: go to your bedroom, close the door as they're just

1046
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 2: going to sleep. Come back out, fully nude, just to

1047
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 2: turn off the light in the living room. Go back

1048
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 2: into your room.

1049
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: He's in the dark.

1050
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,720
Speaker 2: He's literally on his hands and knees in the dark,

1051
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 2: and you are asleep. He's fully humiliated, and he now

1052
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 2: is to pick himself up in the dark and leave

1053
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 2: your apartment.

1054
00:54:55,160 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 1: Wow, you're good at this. Thank you.

1055
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 10: I have Sam and George. I have a question that

1056
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 10: I really need your help with. Need some scientific inquiry here.

1057
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 10: What the fuck is going on with wrestling? Not the

1058
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 10: professional wrestling with like you know John Cena, but like

1059
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 10: the college high school wrestling. It is so so homosexual

1060
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 10: and yet you know non self aware Midwestern dads who

1061
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 10: their favorite activity is mowing their lawns. They go crazy

1062
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,359
Speaker 10: for it, So, like, what's going on there? I think

1063
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 10: we need a FULLS radio lab investigation. I know you

1064
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 10: guys have kind of covered covered it a little bit

1065
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 10: on like I think the Contact Sports episode, and that

1066
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 10: was helpful. But I think maybe Sam needs to go

1067
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 10: undercover and join a wrestling team. I think maybe George

1068
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 10: needs to do like a full you know, spotlight style research.

1069
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 10: I think maybe you guys should do, like do a

1070
00:55:57,760 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 10: commentary on a wrestling broadcast.

1071
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1072
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 10: I just think I think we need we need to

1073
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 10: know what's going on. I need to understand it's it's

1074
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 10: like it transcends straightness and gayness in a way that

1075
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 10: maybe will heal the world or maybe we'll destroy it.

1076
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 10: I don't know, but just wanted to get you guys' boss,

1077
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 10: love you bye.

1078
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 1: Uh uh. This is like the way that I'm just

1079
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: simply too biased to actually engage with this is it

1080
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 1: makes it journalistically impossible because I'm like, it just is

1081
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 1: too sexual to me. It is too sexual, it is

1082
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 1: too hot. It is like the wrestling teacher, the wrestling

1083
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 1: coach at my you know, middle school, high school, the

1084
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 1: way that I wanted to have sex with them so bad,

1085
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 1: Like every I remember wanting to join the wrestling team,

1086
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 1: and I'm being like, no, you don't. And ultimately she

1087
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: was right, but I did. I was just like I think,

1088
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: and I didn't even know how to label it. I

1089
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 1: didn't know. I was like, oh, I'm just horny and

1090
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 1: acting crazy. But I was like, I was fully just

1091
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 1: like I'm horney and want to join the wrestling team.

1092
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 1: And it is deeply, deeply, deeply confusing, And I agree,

1093
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: I don't know what the deal is with Midwestern dads

1094
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 1: that love it, but I wish like it's almost like

1095
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 1: I'm jealous that they're able to engage with it in

1096
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 1: a non sexual way because I cannot.

1097
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny that you wanted to join, because I

1098
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 2: had the opposite reaction, where because it was so clearly sexual,

1099
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 2: I was like, well, I'm going to get a boner,

1100
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 2: like and I can't be just like not that anyone

1101
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 2: was begging for me to join the wrestling team, by

1102
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 2: the way, but it like I could never be expected

1103
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 2: to be just like being touched by a man while

1104
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 2: like cupping his butt and then not and what am

1105
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 2: I gonna do?

1106
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 1: You're literally like miming fucking for like the whole time.

1107
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 2: But I almost think this topic, I almost think high

1108
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 2: school and college wrestling is like.

1109
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 1: The topic that breaks the stradio lab.

1110
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 2: Model, Like there is actually something about it that is

1111
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:00,919
Speaker 2: it's not exactly the exception and that proves the rule,

1112
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 2: But it's like that it's it is so perfectly down

1113
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 2: the middle and emblematic of all the things we talk

1114
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 2: about about, how like something is so straight that it

1115
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 2: circles back around to being gay about how being homerootic

1116
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 2: is actually like straight sometimes because it's like an expression

1117
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 2: of masculinity. It's like it's father son relationships. It's high

1118
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 2: school sports. It is like men weeighing themselves. It's little

1119
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 2: leotards and like color coded outfit. Like there, it's I

1120
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 2: can't even begin to process how I would like rank

1121
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 2: it as gay or straight or put it in conversation.

1122
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 1: With other topics that we've had, which is why I

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00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 1: think we've done.

1124
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 2: We've done UFC fighting, which is different, like I could

1125
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 2: easily talk about like pro wrestling. I could talk about

1126
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 2: like boxing, but there is something about that kind of

1127
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 2: wrestling that kind of breaks the brain.

1128
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 1: It really does. And I honestly wonder how you know.

1129
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 1: Wrestling as a sport, as a as a college and

1130
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 1: high school sport made so much more sense when people

1131
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 1: were closeted, when people had to be closeted, because it

1132
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 1: was sort of like, well, why would this ever be attractive?

1133
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: And now that it's like, well obviously this is attractive

1134
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 1: to some, it's like it's like this doesn't make sense anymore,

1135
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 1: Like like I'm thinking of the duke wrestling Instagram knows

1136
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 1: people find it hot they like post videos of the

1137
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 1: wrestlers like wrestling and then like stand and you're like

1138
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 1: you can see their bulges, you can see like how

1139
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 1: hot and horny it all is, and they like are

1140
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 1: leaning into it a little bit, or at least the

1141
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 1: social media manager is, and we were I'm like, I

1142
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 1: don't know if this is right either, Like it's don't

1143
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 1: get me wrong, it's hot, but I'm like, this is crazy.

1144
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 1: This is just like these are just athletes.

1145
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, why are you posting Why are you posting

1146
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 2: them with the caption like who's got cakes today?

1147
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, But I've like genuinely lost myself on an

1148
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 1: Instagram account for like fifteen minutes because I was like, damn,

1149
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 1: this is so hot. Yeah.

1150
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 2: I mean, I will say the sort of tragedy of

1151
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 2: someone being a real athlete, like being genuinely training to

1152
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 2: be good at something and giving it they're all and

1153
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 2: doing it out of a pure love of the sport

1154
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 2: and out of a desire to win, and not being

1155
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 2: able to escape how porny they look is like definitionally camp,

1156
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:37,919
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like there is something that's

1157
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 2: like that is that where you cannot exist outside of

1158
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 2: the sexual implications of the performance.

1159
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 1: You know what this reminds me of. Actually, it's Jalynovak's

1160
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 1: sex potatoes joke where she's talking about like being a

1161
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 1: woman having a woman's body, and like just it's like

1162
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:00,439
Speaker 1: you're constantly walking around with a bag of sex potatatoes

1163
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 1: and everyone's always like, ooh, sex potatoes for sale and

1164
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 1: she's like, no, I'm just walking around and she like

1165
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 1: can't take off the sex potatoes. Yeah, And that's how wrestler. Like,

1166
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 1: wrestlers are just trying to wrestle, and they keep people

1167
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 1: keep trying to buy their sex potatoes and they can't.

1168
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 1: They can't get rid of it. No, they can't get

1169
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 1: rid of them.

1170
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 2: Although I mean it's then it's like, actually, when you're

1171
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 2: there and it's just straight people and fathers, no one

1172
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 2: is addressing the sex potatoes. They actually are all living

1173
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 2: in a bubble where there is no No one is

1174
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 2: thinking like isn't this camp? No one is thinking like,

1175
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 2: isn't it.

1176
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 1: Weird that he just like touched his like pulled his testicle. Yeah,

1177
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 1: isn't it weird that he just mounted him? Yeah? I yeah,

1178
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 1: I mean wrestling in particular because other sports have like

1179
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 1: variations of nudity, variations of swimming. I'm swimming for carrying

1180
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 1: out loud, but they're not fucking rubbing each other. They're

1181
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 1: not dominating one another, like it's literally.

1182
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 2: And water polo, for example, is gay, Like it's like

1183
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 2: you are you there? It's very like silly to be

1184
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 2: like splashing around and then put, you know, drag down

1185
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 2: someone's bathing suit and you can like briefly see their ass,

1186
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 2: Like that is that silly? Whereas wrestling there's also something

1187
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 2: about wrestling that just reminds me of like there's something

1188
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 2: quint essentially Uh not sad, that's not what I want

1189
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 2: to say, but like it's very like the dad was

1190
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 2: a wrestler himself but then got an injury, Like it's

1191
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 2: very mickey your work in the wrestler. There's something so

1192
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 2: where you just like all of them are underdogs, no

1193
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 2: matter if you're winning, Like all of them are underdogs

1194
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 2: and you want to see them succeed. And I actually,

1195
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:44,959
Speaker 2: even saying all of this, I feel bad making fun

1196
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 2: of wrestling because I'm like.

1197
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 1: Those men are doing their best. This is all they got. No,

1198
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 1: you're so right the moment you decided to become a wrestler.

1199
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 2: You are an underdog, Yes, exactly the moment you're to

1200
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 2: say you're an underdog. Your mom has curly bangs and

1201
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 2: she's trying to feed for seven children.

1202
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about the people that were did wrestling in

1203
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:06,440
Speaker 1: high school, and they were all underdogs. Like it's like

1204
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:12,440
Speaker 1: a certain level of like sort of athletics, sort of nerdy. Yes, like, yeah,

1205
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 1: that is really interesting.

1206
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 2: Even though it's such a show of strength. You're not

1207
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 2: the you're not the quarterback, you're not homecoming king. You're

1208
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 2: kind of like weird and good at math.

1209
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, wrestling is very you're good at math. Fuck fuck.

1210
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 2: But again, all of this is further proof that it's

1211
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 2: like break like it's so we found the one thing

1212
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 2: that is un analyzable, like we cannot use our critical

1213
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 2: thinking skills to crack.

1214
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 1: It, and also not to you know, the Greek the

1215
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 1: Greek roots of course, of course, and being like fully

1216
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 1: naked and like oiled up, yes.

1217
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 2: Which of course makes it both right wing coded in

1218
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 2: one sense in the sense of like let's get back

1219
01:03:56,080 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 2: to men being men, you know, et cetera.

1220
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 1: But then also is.

1221
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 2: Like you know, utopian, back to Earth. On the other

1222
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 2: side of things, so it can even be read as

1223
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 2: like progressive.

1224
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 1: In some way, it is like impossible to comprehend, you know,

1225
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 1: you know there's like gay rugby leagues and gay hockey leagues.

1226
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 1: I can't believe there's not a gay wrestling league. But

1227
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 1: I was thinking about this.

1228
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 2: Is I yes, I thought about this, and then I

1229
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 2: and then I forgot that I wanted to make the point.

1230
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 2: But that's another example of how complicated it is. It

1231
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,919
Speaker 2: is the one sport, even though it's on paper the

1232
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:39,640
Speaker 2: gayest thing you can possibly do is like simulate sex

1233
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 2: with your friends. It is the one thing that doesn't

1234
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 2: have gay leagues. And of course don't write to us.

1235
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 2: I'm sure we're sure it does. But they're not as

1236
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 2: popular as the gay rugby and gay dodged ball. And

1237
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 2: I actually think, of course the reason is because it's too.

1238
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 1: Close to sex. Well, of course, there's no you can't

1239
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 1: pretend you're not having as because you kind of are.

1240
01:04:57,040 --> 01:05:00,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know they would start having sex right

1241
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:00,800
Speaker 2: there on the rink.

1242
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 1: God, back to the foot table guy, m I've always

1243
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 1: there's always like those guys that are like want to wrestle,

1244
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 1: like on scruff and stuff, And I've always been like,

1245
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 1: could be kind of exciting, but I also don't have

1246
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 1: I don't actually know how to do it. I love

1247
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 1: the premise, but I think if they actually know how

1248
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:21,439
Speaker 1: to wrestle in a real way, it'll really quickly. Yeah,

1249
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 1: I don't need to be punched in the face. Yeah,

1250
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 1: Like I'm trying to be a protest.

1251
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:29,560
Speaker 2: By the way, maybe that's the answer. Is wrestling is

1252
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 2: so uh so dense as a text that that's the

1253
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 2: best and most like horny and inappropriate thing you could

1254
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 2: watch while using someone as a foot rest.

1255
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 1: Is like college wrestling.

1256
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 2: I'm not going to say high school because I think

1257
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 2: that would open up another can of worms, but college wrestling.

1258
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 1: I'm all in. I'm all in. Okay, Well, I've never

1259
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 1: had to piece about in my whole life. Should be Yeah,

1260
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 1: let's wrap it up. Well, I thought this was a

1261
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 1: very success full call an episode. I do want to

1262
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 1: reiterate that this could be yours for the for the

1263
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 1: very low price of five dollars a month, and also

1264
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:12,560
Speaker 1: generally we're going to do more of these episodes. If

1265
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:16,800
Speaker 1: you want to call into three eighty five guys at

1266
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 1: any point that you feel and just leave a message

1267
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:23,240
Speaker 1: and we'll comment on it basically, and I kind of

1268
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 1: like that. We're going to just do it whenever we

1269
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 1: feel like it. Yeah, and to the guy who's voice

1270
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 1: like called gay, I'm sorry.

1271
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 2: We love all the gay guys name Zach that called,

1272
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 2: and we invite even people who aren't gay guys named

1273
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 2: Zach to call from here on out. Yeah, even though

1274
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 2: Zach is trending as a name in my life. I

1275
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 2: for a while everyone was named Patrick, and now more

1276
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 2: and more people are named Zach.

1277
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 1: Huh, just something I've noticed. I can see it for sure. Okay, Well,

1278
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 1: this has been an absolute delight. So goodbye. We love you,

1279
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 1: we love you. Be safe, be safe, bye bye.

1280
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:14,480
Speaker 11: Hi Georgian, Sam, this looks like not for the podcast,

1281
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 11: well if it's for you, but no obligation played on

1282
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 11: the podcast. But I just wanted to say how much

1283
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 11: I loved the show and that it's really become in

1284
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:32,480
Speaker 11: an earnest miss Demands a way very meaningful to me,

1285
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 11: and I want to say thanks for putting it out.

1286
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 11: I am like the opposite of you two on, a

1287
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 11: twenty five year old who lives in Texas and works

1288
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 11: in corporate finance. But I love the show. It cracks

1289
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:57,400
Speaker 11: me up. I've gotten a lot of my both friends

1290
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:01,960
Speaker 11: and my sister hooked on the show. And I have

1291
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 11: one friend that in particular really loves to show with me.

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Speaker 11: Let me listen to it and talk about it together,

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Speaker 11: and I'm we always debate on who is the Georgian,

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Speaker 11: who is the Sam, and our friendship that's what I

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Speaker 11: was close together, and I don't know, I knew year

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Speaker 11: knew me thinking about things and wanted to say thanks

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Speaker 11: for you know, putting out a great setting show that

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Speaker 11: has meant a lot to me for the past year

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Speaker 11: that I've been listening and I'm canching up on the

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Speaker 11: backlog of you know, the years before that I wasn't

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Speaker 11: listening in real time. So anyway, just want us to

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Speaker 11: say things and that yeah, I love you both, and

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Speaker 11: I hope your five is then off to really good starts.

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