1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: Hi guys, and welcome back to this week's episode of 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: The Left bal Podcast. I'm your host, Sammy J. Welcome. 3 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: I hope you guys had a lovely week. We did 4 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: not pose last week because it was Thanksgiving, but I 5 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: hope you had a lovely day and I'm very thankful 6 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 1: for all of you, and I'm also thankful for this episode. 7 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: Look at that transition, you guys. Anyways, Um, this week 8 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:25,639 Speaker 1: I got to chat with the incredibly talented Olivia O'Brien. 9 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: We have a really daunderous conversation about life growing up 10 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: in the public eye, social media, dating, her music, her 11 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 1: latest tour, her EP episode season one, and so much more. 12 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: I hope you guys enjoy. I was so excited during 13 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: my podcast and I'm so excited we're doing this in person. 14 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. Do you normally do zoom stuff? 15 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: Is that what even doing lately? Or what was in 16 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: person than pandemic and now it's like a mixture. So 17 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: I'm like seeing people in person just makes me so happy. Yeah, same, same. 18 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: I'd love to tell to about social media. How do 19 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: you find a balance? You have millions of followers on Instagram. 20 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: I'm nineteen and for so many other people in my age, 21 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: and for some it's fun, but it's also part of 22 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: a business and it can sometimes be really difficult. It's 23 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: really hard, and I pretty much have to be on 24 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: social media. Like I've taken breaks before and just like 25 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: send my photos to Max and been like you can 26 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: you post this? Um, it's weird. It's it's hard. I 27 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: stopped editing my photos like I used to, like not 28 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 1: like changing everything, but like I used to like use 29 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: face two and like I don't really use it anymore, 30 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: like I do. I mean, if I have a pimple 31 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: or like, if something looks weird in a photo, I'm 32 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: gonna edit it out. But I don't know. It's just 33 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: like I'm trying really hard to have a healthy relationship 34 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: with social media myself. It's I think it's a struggle. 35 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: It's kind of um an impossible task, or it seems 36 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: very daunting because like you, literally the internet is dangerous. 37 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: You have access to literally any piece of information about 38 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: anything or anyone at any time pretty much, and even 39 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: if it's not true, you can still probably find out 40 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: something about something like people's conspiracy theories and like I 41 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: don't know and and everyone's um, you can go down 42 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: a rabbit hole so fast. Yeah, Like I always see 43 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: things about myself that aren't even true, and like that 44 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: must be so annoying. It's like the weirdest feeling in 45 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: the world. But I have just really been trying to 46 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: not focus on anyone else but me when I'm on 47 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: social media. Like that sounds not like in a selfish way, 48 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: but like I don't need to go compare my likes 49 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: to this person. Also, turning my legs off was really 50 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 1: like I I really really liked doing that. I'm not 51 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: ashamed to admit it. I've deleted photos in the past, 52 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,519 Speaker 1: and it's just it's stupid. If you like a photo, 53 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 1: just post it exactly when you turn the legs off, 54 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: and you like, I don't even really check, Like I'm 55 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 1: the only one that can see how many I get 56 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: and I don't even check it because it's it still 57 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 1: says like and others to me and my profile and 58 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: you click on any looks like if I don't want 59 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: to know, I don't even have to know. I haven't 60 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: been on TikTok in a really long time. And maybe 61 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: it's add but I'm proud of myself for that. But 62 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: I am um what's your favorite social media app? Because 63 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: something that I know I've talked about in past episodes, 64 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:12,399 Speaker 1: but in college specifically, the main app that's used is Snapchat. 65 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: Texting is not a thing. It's just snapchatting. And to me, 66 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 1: I just I missed text and I wish I could 67 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:22,799 Speaker 1: delete Snapchat sometimes, but it's how everyone communicates. Yeah, that's 68 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: such a like college and high school thing. I hate it. 69 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: I absolutely hate it. My best friend she is uh, 70 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: she goes to school at um Pitzer, like forty five 71 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: minutes away from here, and she's she came over. She 72 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: sleep and sleeping my house for the past two nights, 73 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: and she was like snapchatting this boy last night. And 74 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, I haven't used snapchat in so long, 75 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: Like I just don't use it. Whenever someone snapchats me, 76 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: I'm very confused. Um, but it's such a college thing. 77 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: I know, it's terrible. I wish people could just text 78 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: me or call me, just text me, I know, seriously, 79 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: Like why it just seems like sus and weird and 80 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: it reminds me of like middle school and it's not. 81 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: It triggers me from high school. And I was like, 82 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: did I just get out of here. Yeah, it's not 83 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: not the greatest. Um. I'd say my go to social 84 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: media is probably TikTok, just because it's so easy to 85 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: just waste so much time and and I feel like 86 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: it's especially in the music industry, everyone's so obsessed with 87 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: it right now, like let's make this a trend and 88 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 1: blahlah ball and you feel like you're left out if 89 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: you're not always on TikTok. Like there's so many weird 90 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 1: trends that are always happening. It's like, I don't know, 91 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: it's it's like there's always another one. It feels like 92 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: the like YouTube for people with really short attentions. Because 93 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,799 Speaker 1: is it hard writing music in such an time period 94 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: when it's all about, you know, making sure that this 95 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: goes viral, this blows up, but actually focusing on the 96 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: art of it still. Honestly, when I'm writing, I don't 97 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: think about anything except for what I want to say, um, 98 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 1: because that's just how my best songs are made, and 99 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: that's how I work as an artists, like always what 100 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: I've done since I was a little kid. Um. But 101 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: you know, like the other day I wrote a song 102 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 1: I was I just started writing going back into sessions 103 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: pretty recently, um, after like me in my little tour 104 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 1: and just I've been super busy with other things and 105 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 1: I haven't really been writing. But I had two sessions 106 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 1: last week, and the first one we wrote this song 107 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 1: and it was we were having so much fun. It 108 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: was like a really great session and we finished a 109 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: song and I was like, wait, like this, actually I 110 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: could see like this being a moment on TikTok or something, 111 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: and I was glad that I didn't have that thought 112 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: until after we had already written the song. But like, 113 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: that's kind of how it works. It's like, oh, I 114 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: could see this happening, and then it's like after the 115 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 1: song is done, I'm like, oh, what could I do 116 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 1: for this? But I also don't really like I it 117 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: sucks to think like that, Like you don't want to 118 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: be like, well, let's make a song that will but 119 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: with the age we're living in, it's kind of hard 120 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 1: not to think that way. Yeah. Yeah, but it's like 121 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: I've never even like even before TikTok was a thing, um, 122 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: I never wrote a song or wrote songs being like, well, 123 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: let's try to get it as as top forty radio 124 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 1: as possible so that we could get it like to 125 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: sound as radio and cool, like I never thought like 126 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: that work. That's what I find so interesting and so 127 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: kind of unique about your career is that it just 128 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: started with that one song I Hate You, I Love You, 129 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: and it wasn't about blowing up. It was just about 130 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 1: writing and using that as therapy, which is so special, 131 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: and it just just goes to show like art can 132 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: speak alone for itself exactly, and that's what I've been 133 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 1: trying to, like not necessarily trying to replicate, but I 134 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: don't want to ever like be like, oh and you 135 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 1: know their head and their head, I need to write 136 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: a hit, because that's not how I Hate You, I 137 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: Love You happened. Yeah, it's not how anything like you know. Yeah, 138 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: I just want to you know, make stuff that I'm 139 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: proud of and that I like, and um, stay true 140 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: to myself, and that's more important to me than anything else. 141 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: What was your favorite experience playing so far, Like, have 142 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: you had a certain performance that's that as your mind 143 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: is like your favorite. I think Lollapalooza was really special 144 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: because it was my first real show back after um 145 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: the Pandemic, and it was just incredible. There was so 146 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: so many more people than I thought would be there. 147 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 1: It was really really hot and like kind of excruciating, 148 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: but it was really fun. So um yeah, that was 149 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: just like a great weekend. It was kind of like 150 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: my my introduction back into the world of performing and 151 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: just festivals in general. Um, and it was it was 152 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: really great and memorable. But I think all my performances 153 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: are special for different reasons, you know. Like it's kind 154 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: of like asking me what my favorite song of mine is, 155 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: Like I don't really have one, because like I like 156 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: them for all all for different reasons, you know. And 157 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: also like each performance is a different audience and you 158 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: get like a different energy and I make a different mistake. 159 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:38,239 Speaker 1: What happens when you do and make a mistake on stage, 160 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: because I cannot imagine do you just like embrace it 161 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: and then just go forward or do you just kind 162 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: of skip past it. I always I pretty much always 163 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: pointed out like I'm always like oh sorry, guys, or 164 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: like I just like I'm like fuck. I think people 165 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: forget that everyone's human, and then when people funk up 166 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: on stage, it's like, yeah, they are. That needs to 167 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: think be celebrated more than anything else. I think I 168 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: try to make it a point to like show the 169 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: fact that I am very imperfect whenever I can, because 170 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: I don't ever want anyone It's not just like, it's 171 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: kind of multiple things, like I don't want to have 172 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: to uphold some perfect image that I know I'm never 173 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: gonna be. And I also, you know, want everyone to 174 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: know that nobody's perfect and they don't have to be perfect. 175 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: E there. You know. It's kind of like a bunch 176 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: of different things. It's something that I love about performances. 177 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever seen Julie Michaels live, 178 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:32,199 Speaker 1: but it was one of the best performances I've ever seen. 179 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: It's like when artists talk to the audience and just 180 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: have fun with it like you do, it makes you 181 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: feel like you have a connection with the people that 182 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 1: are there, and it just makes you experience so much 183 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: more enjoyable. Yeah. Yeah, I don't want to ever feel 184 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: like I'm like a robot. And just like some people, 185 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 1: I feel like the only thing that they change in 186 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: their set at each city is like hello in different 187 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: city here, and like I always try I have like 188 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: this this uh tour that I most recently just did, 189 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: I did my California shows in like week. But um, 190 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: it's like the closest thing I've ever had to like 191 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 1: something kind of scripted, Like I have things that I say, 192 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: but I still kind of try to mix it up 193 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: a little bit because keep you on your toes. Yeah, 194 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: because I I don't know, it's hard for me to 195 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: do the same thing every single night I want it 196 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: gets boring and too Like I do want to make 197 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:19,559 Speaker 1: it personal to whoever is there, Like I don't want 198 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 1: every single person to get the exact same thing and 199 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: they know exactly what they're getting and then it's not special, 200 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: you know. And I know you've talked about like being 201 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: in creative threats and all that, and they creative threats 202 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 1: are so underratedly terrible and not discussed because enough because 203 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: a few months ago I was in a really bad 204 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: creative right, probably the first one I've ever truly experienced. 205 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: And I look at YouTube videos like how to get 206 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: out of creative rent, and there is nothing. It happens 207 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: all the time. Um, sometimes I there's nothing I can 208 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: really do to get out of it. I just kind 209 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: of cancel all my sessions and try to go live 210 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: my life. That's usually what I do is I just 211 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: try to experience things. I try to not work and 212 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: not force myself to work sometimes if it's if it's 213 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: been a really long time and I'm just kind of 214 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 1: used to like having writer's block. Like the other day 215 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: a couple weeks ago, I was like starting to write 216 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: by myself in my studio again, and I just forced 217 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 1: myself to write like eight songs. Um Like I would 218 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: go in every single day and just like write a 219 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: little song by myself. Didn't ask me good, Yeah, don't 220 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: have to be good, just like as a little exercise. 221 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: Like so if you really are stuck and you know 222 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 1: you need to start being creative again, you just kind 223 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: of have to force yourself. And if it's bad, it's bad. 224 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: But once you get kind of back into the rhythm 225 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 1: of it, like it'll start feeling normal again and then 226 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: you'll get more inspired. But for the most part, I 227 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 1: just like to go out and live my life and 228 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: meet people and try to get inspiration from wherever I can, 229 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,079 Speaker 1: because like that's that's just how it works for me. Look, 230 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: that's what your songs are. They're about your life. So 231 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: the best way to be inspired is to live your life. 232 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: What's your favorite part of songwriting. I like how it 233 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: just kind of acts as a therapy for me and 234 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: I can say whatever I want, um, and a lot 235 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: of times, like I'll be too afraid to tell someone 236 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: something to their face, but I can always write a 237 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: song about it. That's awesome. What an awesome outlet to have. Great, 238 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: it's amazing, and it kind of it can help me 239 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: realize things. And it's also like every time I go 240 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:09,199 Speaker 1: in and especially when I work with a top lener 241 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: that I really love, like another writer, Um, it's like 242 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: having therapy because I should tell them what we're going 243 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: to write about, like to tell them about everything that's 244 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: been going on with my life, and I'll realize so 245 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: many things. Like my last session that I had, I 246 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:23,079 Speaker 1: even told her, I was like, this feels like therapy 247 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 1: right now because we were going over just everything that 248 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 1: I've done in the past week and how I was 249 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: getting over this guy and I realized like that and 250 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:34,719 Speaker 1: she made me realize, like I'm that I don't love 251 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: this kid. Like it was like crazy. I was. I 252 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: was saying, They're like, wow, this is a very clarity, 253 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: very deep session we're having right now. But it was great. 254 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: It was awesome, so Um, yeah, I mean it's it's 255 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: also nice that I get to do this as a 256 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 1: job because it's something I would be doing regardless if 257 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: you weren't a singer or if you weren't an artist 258 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 1: who was putting their music out there. What do you 259 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: think you'd be doing, Um, I'll probably be either a 260 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: lawyer or a psychologist. Like being interested in psychology has 261 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: helped me with my song writing a law because it's 262 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: like analyze people and it makes me like think deeper 263 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: about what I'm writing, about what I want to say, 264 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: and how I feel about other people and how they 265 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: feel about me, and it gives me more concepts and 266 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: it's cool. I think that's so interesting. Something that we 267 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: actually have in common is that I also have O 268 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 1: c D and struggle with anxiety. And when I heard 269 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: you talking about it, I was like, Man, more people 270 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: should talk about it because I feel like there's such 271 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: a stereotype like if you have O c D, like 272 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: you just like to have everything clean and organize. It's like, no, 273 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: it's different for everybody. For me, it's like I never 274 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: even would have thought that I possibly could have O 275 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: c D until I got diagnosed. Because people are so 276 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 1: wrong about what it is and it can be. Yes, 277 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: some people with o c D love to have everything 278 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 1: clean and a lot of time, but it's not. Yeah, 279 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: and like, especially if you have like O c D 280 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 1: and a d h D, like that's so hard because 281 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: you don't have the eni span to like clean and 282 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: make your life perfect. But then it piss you off 283 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: that it's not perfect, but then you can't fix it 284 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:09,439 Speaker 1: because it's so distracted and you're doing it all these days. 285 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just like, yeah, anxiety disorders are 286 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:16,719 Speaker 1: really so annoying. Yeah, and they're also really complex, Like 287 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: I think they all are very similar, but then they're different. 288 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 1: So it's like and everyone reacts to it differently, everyone 289 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: perceives differently exactly. My sister has OCD two, so it's 290 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 1: like and we both just got diagnosed. And it's crazy 291 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: because I've been going to therapy and seeing psychiatrists since 292 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: I was a kid, so like I should have been 293 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,319 Speaker 1: but they were just like we were depressed, you anxiety whatever, whatever. 294 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: And then it took a long time with me actually explaining. 295 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: And then I also started talking to my friends about 296 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: like you know, intrusive thoughts and random things and I'm like, 297 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: did this happen to you guys? And they're like no. 298 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 1: And I always thought that that happened until I started 299 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: actually asking people about it. I hate it therapy for 300 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 1: a while because my my mom like kind of forced 301 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: me to be in therapy. I would think I was 302 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: around eight two was when my parents were separated. My 303 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 1: mom was like, I need to put them in therapy. 304 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,199 Speaker 1: My mom like loves therapy and she's the biggest advocate 305 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:08,559 Speaker 1: for therapy. But you got to be ready to do. Yeah, 306 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 1: if you don't want to go, you're not going to 307 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 1: get anything out of therapy if someone's forcing you to go. 308 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: Like I would sit there and I wouldn't talk because 309 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: I didn't know. I didn't want to talk. I didn't 310 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: know what I wanted to say. I didn't know why 311 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: I was even there. Like it was, it was just 312 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: not beneficial to me at all. It was wasting an 313 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: hour of my week every week. It took me a 314 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: while of realizing like, Okay, I actually want to go 315 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: to therapy and I want to help myself. This is 316 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: the first time in my life that has actually been 317 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: beneficial to me. Because I decided that I wanted to 318 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: go and I made the active decision, and that's when 319 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: I got my diagnosis and when everything started to make 320 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: sense and I got a medication, and now I'm doing 321 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: so much better because I wanted to do better. You know, 322 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: there's something very special. I know special is an interesting 323 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: word to is, but I'm going to use it anyways. 324 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: About when you get diagnosed, everything, at least for me, 325 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: it just clicks. I've just went through so many life 326 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: experiences and it all made sense. You go home and 327 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: google literally everything about it, and you're like, does this 328 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: have to do with my O c D? And you're like, 329 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: oh my god, and it makes you feel less alone. 330 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: But you've got to be ready for it. But I 331 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: think one of the things that I've learned for me 332 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: at least is that I wouldn't be who I am 333 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: if I don't have anxiety. If I don't have O 334 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: c D, it wouldn't have I wouldn't be talking to 335 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: you right now, frankly. And I think I'm trying to 336 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: find the good parts in it and then what sucks? 337 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: It's making me who I am? Yeah, and I think 338 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: it makes I think having an anxiety disorder like makes 339 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: you a little bit more of a complex thinker because 340 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: you're always thinking about literally everything, and I know that's 341 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: such a like it sucks and there there's no I'm 342 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: just relating to you right now. I'm just trying to 343 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: find a solverligning is like it's like, okay, well, I 344 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: still don't want an anxiety disorders because it makes me 345 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: a deep thinker. But like it's a nice, cool little 346 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: side of it, like you know what different integay, Yeah, 347 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: and and I agree it's I mean, but that's with 348 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: everything in life you're you wouldn't be who you are 349 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: without every single part of you, and it all, it 350 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: all makes up the big picture, right, So yeah, I 351 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: like to look at I like to look at it 352 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: that way as well. Okay, we have to take a 353 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: quick break, but when we come back, I want to 354 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: talk more about your music, tour and so much more. 355 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: We'll be right back and we're back. I will say. 356 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: One thing I love about your projects and you as 357 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 1: an artist is that you're so versatile. Like Seasons episode one, 358 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: it just shows the difference in the styles you like, 359 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: and that's so incredible in itself. I like a lot 360 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: of different things. I like a lot of different genres 361 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: of music and also different TV shows. I'll go through 362 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: phases where I'm super into a certain kind of music 363 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: or certain show. Yeah, but but then I think, and 364 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: then when I move on from that, or like I'll 365 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: start dressing differently, But I still like how of all 366 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: the other parts of me and the other phases within 367 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 1: my personality and within who I am. So I feel 368 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 1: like I can kind of be everything all at once, 369 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: and I don't ever want to put myself into a 370 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,199 Speaker 1: box of like, oh, I have to make songs at 371 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 1: all sound like this because this is what people want 372 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,400 Speaker 1: from me, or oh I can only have this aesthetic 373 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 1: because everyone thinks that this is my thing. Like, no, 374 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 1: you can literally if you like the whole The most 375 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:21,640 Speaker 1: beautiful part about living in the time that we live 376 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 1: in is you can be and do anything that pretty 377 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 1: much anything that you want now hear me at But 378 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: I think it would be so cool if one of 379 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 1: the songs he wrote on Seasons was actually put in 380 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: a TV show. That would be that would be pretty cool. Yeah, 381 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:40,719 Speaker 1: that would be pretty cool. When is season two coming out? Um? Seasons? Um, 382 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: That's a great question. I don't know. So basically what 383 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:47,640 Speaker 1: happened right now is um or what's happening right now 384 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,959 Speaker 1: is that are my labels in like a very transitional period. 385 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: We are president left and basically like everyone that I've 386 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 1: worked with on on the team at my label is gone. 387 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 1: They've either and laid off or quit and move like 388 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: went to another years stock. Yeah, not the best, and 389 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: it's happened. This is like the this will be the 390 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: third president that I've had at my label, so five 391 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 1: five years, six years almost. Um, that's frustrating. Yeah, it's 392 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 1: a little frustrating. But um, the new presidents, there's gonna 393 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: be two of them that are working together, and they 394 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: start on January one, so after that I'll be able 395 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 1: to you know, kind of regroup with them and um 396 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: hopefully put something out. The plan originally was like I'm 397 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 1: gonna put out UM season one and then season two 398 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 1: is going to come really shortly after. It was really 399 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: really frustrating at first because all I wanted to do 400 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: was put it out. I've had these songs for literally years, 401 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 1: Like a lot of these songs UM on season two 402 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 1: are like two years old or more like really really 403 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 1: crazy when you write songs so many years ago, like 404 00:18:57,920 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: you grow as a person and you're like I kind 405 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 1: of want to shut that era out and start something new. Yeah, 406 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 1: and I want to now I'm still writing, and that's 407 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: the that's the problem is I'm still writing, and I'm 408 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 1: liking everything that I'm writing, And it's like, am I 409 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: going to boot out all these songs that I know 410 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: are really good that I've had for two years because 411 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: I want to show the world these new things that 412 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:19,159 Speaker 1: are more representative of who I am now? And like 413 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,640 Speaker 1: that's not funny either, because then I have these old 414 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: songs that are really good, and then you're proud of 415 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: and then I'm proud of him. That would be something 416 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: amazing that I just don't want to put out anymore 417 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 1: because I've moved on from it. It just sucks. It's like, 418 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: just take so long for anything to happen. I wish 419 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 1: I could just write a song and just put it 420 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: out like it don't make my life so much easier 421 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 1: and be kind of iconic if he did that. Though 422 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 1: people don't understand how people only see the finished product. 423 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: They don't understand really everything that goes into it. It's 424 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 1: it's a lot, and it sucks. Like, let's talk about 425 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: sociopath for a secon You're wearing the hat. So it's 426 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: reminding me you did a full like horror movie that 427 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: which is so sick by the way things I thought out. 428 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 1: It's not just about like writing a song and putting 429 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: it out. There's whole coordination that happens too. You know, 430 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 1: have him and come out Jordan Jordan Fisher told me, 431 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: like when he was filming a movie, people just see 432 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: the finished product. People don't see going on set, the 433 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: working that editing and everything that takes to put something out. 434 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: You have to kind of have a plan before you 435 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: do anything with music, like you have to come up 436 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: with a concept, especially with visuals, like with music videos 437 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:25,199 Speaker 1: and cover art if you're doing singles before the project. 438 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:26,919 Speaker 1: It all kind of has to be cohesive. There's been 439 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: times I've put stuff out thinking that it's going to 440 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: be one way, and then I'll completely change everything and 441 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: then it's like this is different. So it's hard. It's 442 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: like you have to be like preemptive and I'm not 443 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,199 Speaker 1: like whenever I'll have an idea for something and be 444 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: like this is it is going to be the best 445 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:44,919 Speaker 1: thing ever, and then we'll wait months for it to 446 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 1: come out, and by the time that it's like I've switched. 447 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I don't want to call it that anymore. 448 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 1: I want to call it this because I have a 449 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 1: better idea. And it's like, well, you just put this 450 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,479 Speaker 1: stuff out without that concept, and they're going on the projects, 451 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: so like, what are you gonna do? I'm like, I 452 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: don't know, I'll figure it out. How are you doing 453 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: being twenty one and my brother's a You're balancing so 454 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,959 Speaker 1: much a career, just growing up, like all of it. 455 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 1: How are you balancing all of it? Because I feel 456 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: like it's it's not easy and we need to recognize 457 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: that because having millions of people look at what you 458 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: do all the time is not a normal thing. Yeah. 459 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm definitely doing a lot better than I was. 460 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: I had to grow up really fast when I was 461 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: really young. So um like I was sixteen when I 462 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: moved to l A. And as soon as I got here, 463 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: I realized people aren't very nice. Just like in high 464 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 1: school everyone's mean, but in l A. It's another level. 465 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: There are another breeds out here. Yeah, and I you know, 466 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: I was used to like high school mean girls and 467 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 1: their guys are mean too, but it's different because people 468 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: are nice to your face. But then or the people 469 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: will go actually out of their way to plot on 470 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: your fucking downfall out here. It's crazy like they will 471 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,479 Speaker 1: they will like plot and scheme like they will make 472 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: up plans to like make you like it's it's it's frightening. 473 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 1: It's truly frightening. Like they'll say things to you like 474 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: it's like it's it's literal manipulation. It's insane. Um. So 475 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: I hope you cut those people out of your life, 476 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,199 Speaker 1: but it's you can't fully ever cut anyone out here 477 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: because you'll see them out so and I don't want 478 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 1: to ever have beef with anyone or be fighting with anyone. 479 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 1: So I always just kind of people that I that 480 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 1: have done me wrong a lot in the past. I 481 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: just kind of keep them in an arm's length because 482 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: I don't want them. I don't want to be on 483 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: their bad side. I don't want them on like I 484 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 1: don't want to have bad blood with anyone. But there's 485 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: some people that you just can't have in your life, 486 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: and you can't forgive because they're going to keep doing 487 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 1: the same thing over and over and over and over again. 488 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 1: But I've tried to really make it a point to 489 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: not to not have that bad blood with anyone because 490 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: it's just not there's no point. It's just we don't 491 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 1: need that energy exactly. Um, but I think I've just 492 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: it's just it takes time to just learn how to 493 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 1: what works best for you in terms of balancing everything 494 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: in your life. And I've been out here for a 495 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: while and I'm just kind of finally getting into the 496 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: groove of things about a house. I have my little 497 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: like pets. Yeah, I have a dog. He's a Toyllion Shepherd. 498 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 1: That's very cute. I missed my dog the best. But 499 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: I recently started seeing this guy who was fifteen dogs 500 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: fifteen dogs my wife. That's weird. It's really the same 501 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: kind of dog or like he like saves them from 502 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 1: Like you got a guy who saves poppies in his 503 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: free time. That's good job, Olivia, thank you. I have 504 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 1: you written any songs yet about this person? One kind 505 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 1: of Okay, we have to take one more quick break, 506 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: but when we come back, let's talk more about life, 507 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: dating and a lot more. We'll be right back and 508 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: we're back. I'm still trying to figure out like the 509 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: whole dating situation. I hate that dates aren't a thing anymore. Well, actually, 510 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,239 Speaker 1: I've been with this guy. He's been taking me out 511 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: on a bunch dates, which is really sweetly. He'll come 512 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: and pick me up and take me to dinner and stuff, 513 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: the bare minimum we should have. Like, oh my god, 514 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: I don't work. I'm telling my friends all these things 515 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 1: that he's doing, and they're just like, wow, that's so 516 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,199 Speaker 1: cute and so amazing. But I'm like, this is what 517 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,919 Speaker 1: we all should be getting. Yeah, like he's setting the 518 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: standard really high for everyone else, but it's because the 519 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: bar is so flow already right now. So um yeah, 520 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 1: that's the song that I wrote about him, is about 521 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 1: how like he's putting all the other guys that I've 522 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: ever talked to to shame because he like actually is 523 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: nice to me. Um, but that like, yeah, it's it's well, 524 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 1: my problem is that I never I always liked the 525 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 1: guys that are mean or not mean, but you know, 526 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,239 Speaker 1: kind of asshole guys. There's something like appealing about it. 527 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 1: I was like, I was talking to my friends, like 528 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: guy in writing me over at like not at like 529 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: five pm. I was like, oh my god, not like 530 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 1: eleven pm, and they're like that shouldn't be something you 531 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 1: should be like excited about. It's like a basic thing. 532 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, my only advice to you is find 533 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 1: someone smart because and an aspect, just someone that you 534 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: street smart, academic smart, like they don't have to be 535 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: academic smart, just like someone that when you talk to them, 536 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: you feel like your brain and their brain are on 537 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: the same level. Like whatever I'm if I'm dating someone 538 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: who I don't think is as intellectually capable as I 539 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: am and not and like I'm I don't think I'm 540 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: like a genius. Like I've obviously met people that I'm like, Okay, 541 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: this person's way smart. I need to leave. But you 542 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: want to feel like you're kind of on the same 543 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,919 Speaker 1: level as them because you'll understand life at like a 544 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: similar place. Also, like it's you. You don't have to 545 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: like stop and wait for someone to figure something out, 546 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,199 Speaker 1: and it's it's it's like a banter thing to like 547 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 1: when you talk to them, you want to be able 548 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 1: to make sure that they understand your jokes and you 549 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 1: understand their jokes and things that you say. You don't 550 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,680 Speaker 1: want there to be any miscommunication. That's I think it's 551 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 1: not even just intelligence, it's just like the way that 552 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: their brain works. But that's the most important thing in 553 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,199 Speaker 1: any relationship that I've realized, because I only ever like 554 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: people when we're able to really talk about important things, 555 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,640 Speaker 1: like I don't care if people are hot anymore, which 556 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: is like sad. Know that that is not sad. It's 557 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: about that's like hot, like looks at a temporar anything, Like, 558 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,120 Speaker 1: let's be honest about that. And also, anyone can be hot. 559 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 1: It's really not that hard, but it's anyone can be 560 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: like at least mediocreally hot, exactly. Not everyone can have 561 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: a good personality, and not everyone can be smart, and 562 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: not everyone can be funny. Something I've learned about myself 563 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: is that I don't like cleaniness. I like people that 564 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: are independent, independent and are driven and like to do 565 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 1: their own thing. Yeah, because something I'm realizing is that 566 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 1: people follow my Instagram, which it's not I'm not verified, 567 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: I don't not have millions and there like, oh my god, 568 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: it's like you know famous people, and I'm like like no, 569 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 1: like what that's a red flag. It's also very um 570 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 1: because like I get what I do is so peculiar 571 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 1: and I get it's not normal for my age, but 572 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,120 Speaker 1: at the same time, I don't like then that's all 573 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 1: people want to talk about. Yeah, you have to have 574 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 1: someone that's and I I deal with that all the 575 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: time of like, that's why it's hard for me to 576 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,159 Speaker 1: date people Like That's why I always date guys that 577 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: are like assholes, because they're they understand in the entertainment industry. 578 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,120 Speaker 1: They understand what I do, so they're not like, yeah, 579 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 1: they're not like intimidated by the fact that I have 580 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,360 Speaker 1: a really crazy, weird job and I'm on the road 581 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: all the time and I make more money than most 582 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,360 Speaker 1: twenty one year old and like I it's it can 583 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,479 Speaker 1: be kind of emasculating for a lot of guys if 584 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 1: they don't feel like they're as successful as you, even 585 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,679 Speaker 1: if it's even if you don't see it that way, 586 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 1: they may see it that way as it just like 587 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: their own personal insecurity thing, because you know, society tells 588 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:43,640 Speaker 1: us the boss aspect. Society tells us that we're supposed 589 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: to you know that men are supposed to be the 590 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: breadwinners and they're supposed to be like the big strong 591 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 1: man that has the better career. And it it really 592 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 1: has like taking a toll on a lot of people. 593 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: Um like a lot of guys mentally because they don't 594 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: think they're good enough if their woman is like strong 595 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,959 Speaker 1: or see, they like it's it's complicated, but it just 596 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: sucks because it makes me feel like I can't date 597 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,919 Speaker 1: guys that don't aren't like in my industry or at 598 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,199 Speaker 1: least as successful as me. But then I don't want 599 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: to measure success in any way, like success is what 600 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: you make it that's not in the industry but understands it. Yeah, 601 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 1: and that's like the guy that I'm talking to right now, 602 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: he's not he's not in the music industry at all 603 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: or entertainment, and he's like he like works in banking. 604 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 1: You have finance, bro. But it's been really nice. He 605 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,640 Speaker 1: has the same job as my dad actually, which is like, 606 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: like he's a c f A, which is weird. And uh, 607 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 1: they're the same exact tight and they're both the youngest 608 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 1: of they both have four older siblings. They're the youngest 609 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: in their family. That's weird, and there's like a bunch 610 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: of weird things. Yeah, it's like, but I don't it's 611 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: it's very strange feeling with that. Um. But yeah, it's 612 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: been nice to like because he gets it and he's 613 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: friends with a lot of people that I know, and 614 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: he's been around like he gets it, but he's not 615 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 1: in it and he doesn't I don't know, it's just 616 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: knows it from a distance but doesn't like especially someone 617 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: that doesn't want to be in it. I'm like so 618 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: over the whole just it's complicated and I haven't even started. 619 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 1: I started. Yeah, it's complicated, and you're going to face 620 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: that a lot as just like a strong independent woman 621 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: that you know has career driven, like you're gonna you're 622 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: gonna face a lot of and secure boys that are 623 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: gonna Yeah, so you just have to learn what to 624 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: what to spot. It's okay, I'll just listen to your 625 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 1: songs and I just perfect. I'm still figuring it out myself. 626 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: So we'll see, why, aren't we all? Isn't that the 627 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: journey were never ending? It really is. Do you have 628 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: any hobbies you like to do in your free time? Right? 629 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: Besides that, I went through a phase where I made 630 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: friendship bracelets. I used to be obsessed with making friendship bracelets. 631 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: It's kind of therapeutic to just like check out and 632 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: just tie a bunch of knots. Yeah, I don't have 633 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: to use my brain because especially as someone who has 634 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: O c D, like like a focusing on something. But 635 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: then that's the other problem is I also a d 636 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 1: h D. So I can't like I get overthink like 637 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,719 Speaker 1: I'm not. Sometimes it's hard for me to take a 638 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 1: moment to actually once I start. If I sit down 639 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: and I do something hard, I can't get starting. It's 640 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: I just can't bring myself working out. Yeah, oh god. 641 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 1: But sometime once I start working out, I'll work out 642 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 1: and it'll I'll love it, and I'll go like for 643 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 1: a couple of like a couple of weeks, I'll like 644 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 1: work a couple of days a week and I'll go 645 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 1: with my friends. And then if I stop, I'm never 646 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: going back. But that's the other thing with like I'm 647 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: also I think my CD makes me more of a perfectionist. 648 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: So I have this trouble of like I don't want 649 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 1: to do anything unless and really good. You know. So 650 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: something that I really enjoyed. I started listening to Bob 651 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 1: Rass videos to go to sleep, and I said, you 652 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: know what, I went to Bob Ross Incorporated dot com. 653 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,479 Speaker 1: This is not an AD, but I got his painting 654 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: kit and I watched his YouTube videos and I am 655 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: obsessed with me Boba's painting. I learned how to use 656 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: oil paint, and it's such a good distraction for my mind. 657 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 1: So yeah, little things like little crafts and things like 658 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 1: that are so Yeah. Sewing is fun. I used to 659 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 1: work my first quote unquote job. I was unpaid in 660 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: turn when I was like eight years old, and my 661 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: ripped seems in a dress shop in Noa. Honestly, what's 662 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 1: kind of. When I was ten, I created a business 663 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 1: called Sammy J Designs where I made bags and sold 664 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 1: them fun. I think you're just You're just a businesswoman, 665 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 1: just an ultimate girl boss. It's hard to find people 666 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 1: also that just like are driven as well, so it's 667 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: nice to like especially talk to like minded people where 668 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 1: it's all about working and just doing what you love. Yeah, Olivia, 669 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: thank you for coming on my podcast. I really enjoyed 670 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 1: talking with you. Thanks for having me big sister vibes. 671 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 1: Oh god, don't even feel old. No, you're you're my 672 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 1: brother's age, your older brother's age. So care for our 673 00:31:55,480 --> 00:32:00,120 Speaker 1: older sister. Okay, I'll take it. Only a couple of years, 674 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 1: only only two years, Like, It's well, I do turned 675 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 1: twenty two in a month, so oh my god, have 676 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: your really birthday. Thank you. We need to look out 677 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 1: for each other, especially just as girls in general. Like 678 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 1: it's scary out there, really is. Thank you so much, 679 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 1: thank you, Thank you guys so much for listening to 680 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: this week's episode of Last Week World Podcast Olivia. Again, 681 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on. I hope you 682 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 1: enjoyed it. Subscribe to the podcast if you haven't already, 683 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: follow Olivia O'Brien on all of her socials, and I'd 684 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 1: lovely if you followed me my Instagram's It's Sammy J. 685 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 1: That's I T S S A M M Y j 686 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 1: A y E. And I will see you guys next 687 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 1: week with another episode. Bye.