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Speaker 3: And Dan and Tye, welcome back to these solid verbal

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Speaker 3: boys and girls. My name is ty Hildebrand, that fine

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Speaker 3: gentleman over there, the one, the only, always, the incomparable

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Speaker 3: Dan Rubertstein, Sir sir, are you getting ready for Oregon

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Speaker 3: Ucla this weekend the Chip Kelly Bowl.

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Speaker 2: I am, and they've played it a number of times.

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Speaker 2: This is not a preview show, but we can. We

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Speaker 2: can deep dive it as deeply as you'd like to. Tye. Yes,

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Speaker 2: this is going to be a good one, hopefully watching

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Speaker 2: with a couple of college football media pals. Brethren, Brethren.

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Speaker 2: I watch a lot of games in a basement alone.

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Speaker 2: I have two TVs now, so that's nice. It keeps

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Speaker 2: but I'm excited for Oregon Ucla. I'm excited. What else

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Speaker 3: The preview to the preview. No, let's not give away

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Speaker 3: It's a great week of college football action in week eight.

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Speaker 3: interest to the Verballerhood. Welcome back in Thank you for downloading,

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Speaker 3: for listening this episode, all of our episodes driven by

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Speaker 3: our good friends over at Geico. On today's show, we've

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Speaker 3: got some news few topics that we need to discuss

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Speaker 3: mid season stat check in with our guy, Bill Connelly

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Speaker 3: of ESPN dot Com. We haven't talked to Bill since

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Speaker 3: before the college football season, so I've got that's questions

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Speaker 2: I am I mean, I just agreeing with your excitement.

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Speaker 2: what or who's not doing what. But before then, we

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Speaker 3: Why don't we. I gotta save the pipes for the

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Speaker 3: Okay, somebody suggested maybe I should just record myself doing

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Speaker 3: Kind of how they mapped out the voice of James

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Speaker 3: I say we have updated AP top twenty five rankings,

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Speaker 3: here is what the new top ten looks like. Number

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Speaker 3: Just to round out the top fifteen if you are

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Speaker 2: Dan and I think rightfully so I have no complaints there.

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Speaker 2: I think Ohio State has probably shown maybe a little

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Speaker 2: and it's it's fascinating to see how UCLA now on

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Speaker 3: And one of the questions that I want to ask

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Speaker 2: We'll see. I want to talk to Bill. Where's the

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Speaker 3: Right, I think the cutoff is USC. The cutoff is USC.

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Speaker 3: Where's the quarterback and trustworthy cutoff? Like, I don't fully

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Speaker 3: We will see what happens with Penn State, especially with

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Speaker 2: Sure. By the way, just in the teens Ish, in

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Speaker 2: I'm saying is, I think we're in for a roller

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Speaker 3: Let us know your thoughts on Bowl playoff rankings. Hmm,

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Speaker 2: Now, Dan, yeah, did you, by the way, did you

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Speaker 3: Now? We welcome back with open with eager arms. Whoa

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Speaker 2: Sir, how are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm not too bad?

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Speaker 2: How are you? We're doing well? You enjoying the season

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Speaker 3: I wanted to ask you, because you know, you, of

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Speaker 2: are so many good games and good teams and fun storylines.

434
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Speaker 2: Is there a team and I don't know if it

435
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Speaker 2: sounds like I'm gonna humble SP plus here, but is

436
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Speaker 2: there a team that SP plus You mentioned the Kansas

437
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 2: offense and the Illinois defense, but across the board that

438
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:56,119
Speaker 2: if SP plus were a living, breathing, sentient person would

439
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Speaker 2: be most surprised. It's having the season that they are

440
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Speaker 2: either in a positive or negative way.

441
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean Oklahoma. Yeah, Oklahoma is the biggest surprise

442
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,440
Speaker 1: of the season. You know, when I started, I knew

443
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 1: when I after the Texas game, I knew that I

444
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 1: needed to look at you know, kind of there under

445
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,439
Speaker 1: achievement over the past three games. The fact that they

446
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,479
Speaker 1: didn't start off that bad, the fact that they seemed

447
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:23,160
Speaker 1: like fine for three weeks and then suddenly the defense

448
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,120
Speaker 1: just fell off a cliff and even last week didn't

449
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 1: really rebound, you know, didn't really climb back up. It's

450
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 1: just the offense was really good. Yeah, that's been the

451
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 1: biggest surprise of the season. That kind of sudden collapse

452
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 1: doesn't happen, especially if you don't have like thirty eight

453
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 1: injuries to account for it. So that's been to me

454
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Speaker 1: like the most surprising part of the season. Otherwise, I'm

455
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Speaker 1: kind of I'm scrolling through the list of teams that

456
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Speaker 1: are kind of currently overachieving. Ohah, State, I don't think

457
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 1: we've really caught up to how good they are yet.

458
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,199
Speaker 1: They threw us off the scent that first week against

459
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Speaker 1: Notre Dame against Notre Dame, and since then they've been

460
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Speaker 1: averaging fifty six points a game without Smith and Jigba,

461
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 1: you know, with without both of their running backs healthy.

462
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: At the same time, it's ridiculously unfair or yeah, right,

463
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: and and you know the fact that we still don't

464
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 1: completely know about their offense, but we're not going to

465
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 1: urge their defense, but we're not gonna we're not gonna

466
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: know what we need to know until the Michigan game.

467
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Speaker 1: They could continue to look really really good and continue

468
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Speaker 1: to rise in the rankings a little bit. So I

469
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Speaker 1: don't think we've caught up there, Maybe haven't caught up

470
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Speaker 1: to TCU. Just the teams at this point that are

471
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Speaker 1: doing really really well that s PPLUS didn't have any

472
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Speaker 1: reason to project very high. You know, TCU collapsed last year.

473
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Speaker 1: Illinois obviously wasn't good even with a pretty good defense.

474
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Speaker 1: Those are the stories that are Those are the teams

475
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Speaker 1: that are still overachieving Wake Forest. Their defense is not

476
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Speaker 1: still not great, obviously, but it's better, and they're they're

477
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:49,199
Speaker 1: overachieving a bit a little bit recently. So those are

478
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Speaker 1: some of the interesting ones. That's another negative one I

479
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 1: can throw in there to balance uh SMU Marshall aren't

480
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 1: nearly as good as I expected them to be. The

481
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 1: presno really as good as I expected them to be.

482
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Speaker 1: This year, you and lv I was starting to not

483
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,919
Speaker 1: really believe in massively, but I was thinking, you know,

484
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 1: they might be able to get to a bowl. They've

485
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Speaker 1: looked horrible.

486
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Speaker 3: Ye just wait a week, Bill, just wait this week.

487
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 3: Let's see what happens this week.

488
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Speaker 2: Is there a team that's lurking right Is there a

489
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 2: team that's doing good things that hasn't necessarily stood out

490
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,120
Speaker 2: in the first half of the season, but is doing

491
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 2: enough interesting things that the numbers like enough that like, okay,

492
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 2: their pass rush is surprisingly strong, or they're generating explosive

493
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 2: plays or preventing explosive plays, or you know, maybe they've

494
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 2: had really bad turnover luck early that they've just been

495
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 2: really bad fumble bounces are really bad, tipped balls that

496
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 2: have affected things. Is there that team that's just sort

497
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 2: of in the dark right now but you could see

498
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 2: actually jumping up and having an impressive second half of

499
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Speaker 2: the year.

500
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Speaker 1: Well it's probably too late now, but you know, my

501
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,919
Speaker 1: numbers love Minnesota, still love them, still love them, well,

502
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 1: really loved them like two games ago, but still are

503
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: holding out hope. The Predy game was a toss up

504
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,880
Speaker 1: obviously in Illinois. You know, the fact that their often

505
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 1: struggle against the number two defense in the country, which

506
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 1: Illinois has the number two defense in the country. That's

507
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 1: you know, that's obviously you know, it was kind of

508
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 1: cutting them some slack there. So they're still a lot

509
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 1: higher than I expected, and so maybe that means something.

510
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: I think the most interesting team here, we're kind of

511
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 1: at a at a pivot point for them in the

512
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: season is old mess. Uh yeah, just you know, there's

513
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:26,919
Speaker 1: seventh and s people out there, whatever they are in

514
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 1: the polls, top ten, they they basically there. They look

515
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: so good in ten minute stretches that they usually went

516
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 1: pretty comfortably despite then taking the next twenty minutes off.

517
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 1: It's been a problem and I can so I can

518
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,479
Speaker 1: kind of piece together this case of you know, they

519
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: have a very good shot of winning at LSU, they

520
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: have a very good shot of winning at A and M,

521
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 1: and if they split those two, they have this really

522
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: solid shot of beating in Alabama on paper as well.

523
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: The problem is defense kind of stopped a few weeks

524
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,719
Speaker 1: ago and is is trending quickly in the wrong direction.

525
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: And I'm for obvious reasons, I'm concerned about that. That

526
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 1: was kind of I was really really intrigued. Now I'm

527
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 1: a little concerned about being intrigued by wholeness. We'll see

528
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: if they beat LSU, then I'm right back on the bandwagon.

529
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 2: A team that to me feels kind of like they're

530
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 2: lurking just because the results have been largely good. Kansas State.

531
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Speaker 2: You talk about the Big twelve cannibalizing itself, Kansas State

532
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,640
Speaker 2: is just sort of sitting there as a top twenty team.

533
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 2: I think they have TCU this weekend. They're five and one.

534
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 2: They've got a couple impressive wins. They beat Oklahoma, which

535
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 2: I don't know how impressive you actually think that is now,

536
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 2: But they're sitting at five and one and they're not

537
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 2: making a ton of mistakes. They're not doing a ton

538
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 2: crazy well on offense, although they have dou spawn. What

539
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 2: do you make of Kansas State at this point and

540
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 2: how sustainable because if they go five and one in

541
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 2: the back half of the season, we're talking about a

542
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,199
Speaker 2: ten potentially eleven win team in Kansas State. What do

543
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 2: you and what do what does S plus s p

544
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 2: plus think?

545
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think at this point, you know,

546
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: I was talking about how you know teams are in

547
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 1: and then they kind of reached an altitude and spplus

548
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 1: figures them out. The last two games they've missed. It's

549
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 1: missed Kansas State games by less than a point Texas

550
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: Tech and Iowa State, So at least heading into the

551
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: bye week, it feels like it has a pretty good

552
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: read there, And basically now you're looking at they're slight

553
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: underdogs against this is just the Big Twelve. They're slight

554
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: underdogs at TCU, their slight favorites against Oklahoma State, slide

555
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 1: under dogs against Texas, slide undown dogs against Baylor, six

556
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:28,239
Speaker 1: point favorite against West Virginia. There clearly they especially if

557
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: they can find a level of efficiency that they've really

558
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 1: kind of it's really kind of eluded them so far

559
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: this year, which I didn't really expect to say, if

560
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,719
Speaker 1: their offense can kind of find that consistency they've got,

561
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: they've got the big plays, they've got the defense, they

562
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: can absolutely win any and all of those games. It's

563
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: just probably a lot to ask for them to win

564
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: all of those games. So maybe if they can win

565
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: three out of four then beat West Virginia and Kansas,

566
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: obviously they're in very very obviously well they're in the

567
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: Big Twelve title gain in that case, so yeah, we

568
00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: know who they are. They just need to get a

569
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: little more consistent on offense and rely on big plays

570
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: a little less and they're pretty much set.

571
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 3: This is actually a question for both you Bill and

572
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:11,479
Speaker 3: Dan I'm ready comes from our friend Jeff Schwartz via Twitter.

573
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 3: Jeff wants to know if or I think is making

574
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 3: a comment that this feels like the best Pac twelve

575
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 3: season since forever. There are a bunch of different storylines

576
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 3: that I think are all competing and on some level

577
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 3: that is driven by USC. A question here that we

578
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 3: got from Brady asking how we would rate USC's season

579
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 3: thus far what it projects as moving forward. So if

580
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 3: we can maybe wrap those two things together into one

581
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 3: and ask our father of the sp plus and our

582
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 3: officionado for all things Pack twelve on where things stand

583
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 3: out west, both with regard to the season that we've

584
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,959
Speaker 3: seen so far and what we expect from USC moving forward.

585
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: At the very least, this is, I mean, bare minimum,

586
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: this is the best Pack twelve. Twenty nineteen, that was

587
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: a year where they had Washington was good, Utah was good,

588
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: Oregon was good, and a lot of other like USC

589
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: was disappointing but still solid. You know, that was a

590
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: solid year for the PAC twelve overall. Twenty twenty was

591
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: obviously just kind of a big, kind of a wash

592
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: with tiny samples, and then twenty twenty one was an

593
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: absolute disaster. But that was a good year. I'm scrolling

594
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 1: through because there was a year. Maybe it was I

595
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: guess it was twenty sixteen where Washington made the playoff

596
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: in USC if they'd made a twelve team playoff, would

597
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: have been in very good shape to make noise. Maybe

598
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: it's the best year since there. They had a couple

599
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: of other top thirty level teams around that period is

600
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: where this kind of fell off for them, in that

601
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: they always had a number of top twenty caliber teams

602
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: and they got crushed because they didn't have a playoff

603
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: contender because they had a number of top twenty teams,

604
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: they just didn't have a top five. And that was

605
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: where I delivered the line. I started delivering the line

606
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: I've done a million times over the last like five years,

607
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: and how like the ACC is not good just because

608
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: Clempson makes the playoff every year. Patchwell's a better conference

609
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: than the ACC. And that stopped being true over the

610
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: last couple of seasons, and it started becoming true again.

611
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's hard to figure out exactly where

612
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: things stand right now because there are just so many

613
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: important games to play, and obviously UCLA looks really good,

614
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: but they look pretty good at the start of last season,

615
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: and they faded, and can they maintain it, can usc

616
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: continue to improve defensively, which they were kind of doing

617
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: until last week, and then everything fell apart in that regard.

618
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: What does Utah have left? Obviously, you know, how these teams,

619
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: the staying power of these teams, we don't know yet.

620
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 1: What we do know is they have four very solid,

621
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: somewhere between very solid and very good teams, and that's refreshing.

622
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: It's been a little while and Washington's playing really good

623
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: offense again, in Oregon State's playing defense for the first

624
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: time in ten years, and it feels like a really

625
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: just a much deeper conference than what we saw the

626
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: last few years. This was still a pretty good conference

627
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: until a couple of years ago.

628
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 3: The other thing I was going to add dan to

629
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 3: kind of kick it over to you with the Oregon stuff,

630
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 3: much to the extent that we talk about maybe people

631
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 3: sleeping on Ohio State a little bit because of Week

632
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 3: one against Notre Dame. I think Oregon falls into a

633
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 3: similar category because of what happened to them week one

634
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 3: against Georgia.

635
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was you know, even after the Georgia game,

636
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: I was trying to point out like they were extremely

637
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: they moved the ball, They were extremely efficient move to

638
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: the ball. They just hit a wall when they got

639
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: to about the thirty five or forty of Georgia and

640
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: nothing ever happened beyond that. But they were consistently moving

641
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: the football against I mean, Georgia might not be the

642
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: best defensive team, but they're one of the five best,

643
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: So I thought that was a pretty good sign. Obviously,

644
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: the defense just got destroyed in every way a defense

645
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: can be destroyed. And since then they've started to rebound

646
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: a little bit. But now they're from a number standpoint,

647
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: they it looked like they might have something to offer

648
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: at the start, and they've offered well more since then. Yeah,

649
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: I like Oregon a lot. I might trust Oregon the

650
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Speaker 1: most at this point.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's if I'm remembering correctly, I don't have in

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Speaker 2: front of me, but your numbers kind of point to

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Speaker 2: Oregon being the most efficient rushing team in America at

654
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Speaker 2: this moment, which includes the Georgia game. And maybe I'm

655
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Speaker 2: asking this, and I'll respond to tie in the Pac

656
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Speaker 2: twelve in a second, but maybe I'm asking this selfishly

657
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Speaker 2: as somebody with Oregon baggage but we're big fans on

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Speaker 2: this show. When we talk about teams that you have

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Speaker 2: to kind of throw out their best week and their

660
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 2: worst week, right, and the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

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Speaker 2: There is no way Oregon is going to have a

662
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Speaker 2: worse week than what they did against Georgia. So do you,

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Speaker 2: as an exercise, at any point during the season, will

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Speaker 2: you start looking at splits, like will you say, here's

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Speaker 2: what teams do in their last five, this is what

666
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Speaker 2: teams do in conference play, this is what teams do

667
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 2: on the road. This is what happens when you throw

668
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Speaker 2: away what appears to be an outlier, uncharacteristic performance. Is

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Speaker 2: that something that could get you closer to what I

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Speaker 2: mean There is no absolute truth, but is that something

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Speaker 2: that you'll evaluate at some point?

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Speaker 1: It's always hard. Yeah, we're just talking about like, you know,

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Speaker 1: s pplus has got in case date right, two weeks

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Speaker 1: in a row, therefore he's figured out case. It's it's exactly,

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Speaker 1: it's it's nothing where we never have the sample that

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Speaker 1: we want, so we always kind of have to take

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Speaker 1: some liberties and how we use that. But I do

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Speaker 1: think I mean s P plus takes or the Georgia

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Speaker 1: game into account and has organ ninth in the country

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Speaker 1: right now, right, you know, the defense defense is obviously

681
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Speaker 1: reap outed to some degree, but you know, they've played

682
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Speaker 1: six games now, so the fact that they still rank

683
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 1: one hundred then points per drive all out overall, it

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Speaker 1: means it's more than just the Georgia game that is

685
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 1: problematic on defense for sure, especially the past their run

686
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,720
Speaker 1: game run defense has been mostly fine, But that offense

687
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: is legit, and it's it's legit in a way that

688
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: I never expected a bow Knicks offense to be like,

689
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Speaker 1: for better or worse. With bo Nix, you expect to

690
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: kind of have a you know, was the Twitter thing about,

691
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: you know, it's Jordan Clarkson time, Jordan Clarkson. It's kind

692
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Speaker 1: of like bo Nix has that in him at all times.

693
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Speaker 1: And I just realized I used that joke about Donovan

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Speaker 1: Smith of ex techer year too. I need to branch

695
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: out my jokes a little bit. But you expected him

696
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 1: to play hero ball some and instead he's just playing

697
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: this super managed, super consistent quarterback play. Their second and

698
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: rushing success rate, in their third and passing success rate,

699
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Speaker 1: they're just doing what they want to do right now,

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Speaker 1: and that's not what I expected. But that part's real.

701
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Speaker 1: The defense is obviously still problematic, but the offense is

702
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Speaker 1: probably the most reliable unit in that conference right now.

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Speaker 2: Something also fascinating in the Pac twelve. I think USC

704
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Speaker 2: excuse me, is a really really good team because of

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Speaker 2: what they're able, what they're sealing looks like on offense. Defensively,

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Speaker 2: they've struggled some against the run, if I remember correctly.

707
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Speaker 2: But the fascinating thing with USC is I think they've

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Speaker 2: recovered every fumble or every fumble bull one, every fumbleble

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Speaker 2: one one that has occurred in a USC game they've recovered.

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Speaker 2: Is this something statistically that either the universe evens it

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Speaker 2: out over the course of the season, or the universe

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Speaker 2: evens it out next season or over the course of

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Speaker 2: five years, Like is how unlikely is it? And I'm

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Speaker 2: not even saying USC would lose games if they're you know,

715
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Speaker 2: losing fumbles or something like that. But is this more

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Speaker 2: out there than any team in recent memory? Or where

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Speaker 2: does this lie in terms of expected recoveries and turnover margin?

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to remember off the top of my head.

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Speaker 1: With the highest fumble recovery rate in the season is,

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Speaker 1: but I want to say it's probably between about seventy

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Speaker 1: and seventy five percent, and USC is at what like

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Speaker 1: ninety three percent Right now, that's just impossible. There's just

723
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Speaker 1: you never know how long it's going to take to regress,

724
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Speaker 1: but it's going to regress, and you know, you can

725
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Speaker 1: think of you know, there are two ways to think

726
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Speaker 1: about turnovers. Look, there's the fumble recovery rate and then

727
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Speaker 1: one of the things I look at that you know,

728
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Speaker 1: you can kind of your your interceptions to breakups ratio

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Speaker 1: on defense, you can that is dependent on a lot

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Speaker 1: of things. You know, if you play a lot of

731
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Speaker 1: man coverage, you're going to break up more passes, but

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Speaker 1: you probably won't pick off as high a percentage of them.

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Speaker 1: Just you know, your back's turn, whatever zone. You're not

734
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Speaker 1: gonna get hands on as many passes, but you're gonna

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Speaker 1: pick more of them off. So there are differences. But

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Speaker 1: at one point, a couple of games ago, and I

737
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Speaker 1: don't remember what it's at right now, but a couple

738
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Speaker 1: of games ago, they had like it was like seven

739
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Speaker 1: interceptions to six breakups or something like that, and that's

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Speaker 1: just that doesn't that's already started to correct itself a

741
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 1: little bit like the Stanford game with with with more

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Speaker 1: appropriate turnovers bounces that would have been close to a

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Speaker 1: loss or or a loss outright. They really benefited in

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00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: that game. They benefited in the Oregon State game. Obviously

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00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 1: they had like a whatever that was plus four turnovers

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Speaker 1: or something like that. So that's they benefited from that early.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't just distract from the or it doesn't detract

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Speaker 1: from the point that their offense is awesome, because it's awesome. They're,

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Speaker 1: you know, fifth in points per drive, fourth in yards

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Speaker 1: per drive. Caleb Williams does the best Patrick Mahomes, not

751
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Speaker 1: necessarily the arm angle thing, but just being able to

752
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Speaker 1: kind of just drift out of the pocket and buy

753
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Speaker 1: as much time as he possibly will and then makes

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Speaker 1: them throw. That just annoys the crap out of you,

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Speaker 1: Like that's he's really good at that. And that's obviously

756
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Speaker 1: a really good defense or offense, but their defense has

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Speaker 1: not been up to test so far. They've benefited from

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Speaker 1: turnovers significantly, and when they only got one turnover against

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Speaker 1: Utah had doomed them despite the fact that their offense

760
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 1: was awesome. So I mean, all that said, they don't

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Speaker 1: play another good offense until UCLA like they're going to

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Speaker 1: win the next three, and you know, Notre Dame certainly

763
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Speaker 1: doesn't seem to have much to offer in that regard. Sorry, no,

764
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Speaker 1: but so they're going to have a great year, and

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Speaker 1: that's awesome. I'm just kind of I'm almost kind of

766
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: glad they lost, because I was tired of talking to

767
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Speaker 1: them about them as a potential top five team when

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Speaker 1: they weren't. They're absolutely a potential top ten or fifteen team,

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Speaker 1: and they're going to end up with a really nice record.

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Speaker 2: This is from our discord a user. I think it's

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Speaker 2: Ken does s Peoplus captured the damage of penalties? Do

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Speaker 2: have a late first and goal called back due to penalty,

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Speaker 2: then a late touchdown called back due to penalty, and

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Speaker 2: then simple penalty yardage doesn't tell the story? Is there

775
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 2: anything that you can use with regard to penalty penalties

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Speaker 2: adjusting efficiency?

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Speaker 1: I mean it adjusts in that like if you have

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Speaker 1: a hold, then suddenly you're at first and twenty and

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Speaker 1: you're less likely to have successful plays after, right, right,

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Speaker 1: So it kind of reflects there. But otherwise, no, I've

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Speaker 1: never I think I've always had the theory and I

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Speaker 1: never leave myself in enough time in the off season

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Speaker 1: to explore all my theories, I guess. But if I

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Speaker 1: can separate, and I think I can now with the

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Speaker 1: tools we have, if I could separate penalties out into

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Speaker 1: basically like procedural penalties versus penalties of aggression, right, I

787
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Speaker 1: think what we would find. I'm almost positive what we

788
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Speaker 1: would find is procedural penalties, you know, holds and false starts,

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Speaker 1: and that those kinds of things. Those absolutely are predictive

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Speaker 1: at least a hair. Penalties of aggression just mean you're

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Speaker 1: being aggressive and you're problem making a lot of plays

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Speaker 1: because of that aggression. And it's probably I don't know,

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Speaker 1: there would probably be no correlation with those in success.

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00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: There might be a positive correlation with those and success, honestly, right,

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Speaker 1: Not to encourage teams to go out there and you know,

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Speaker 1: commit a bunch of light hits or whatever. But I

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Speaker 1: think as a whole those penalties are why anytime I

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Speaker 1: played with penalties in the past have just added nothing.

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Speaker 2: They represent effort versus procedural being lack of discipline.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fair enough, Ty, Do you have any predictions bill

801
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 3: for the second half of the season, Just maybe things

802
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Speaker 3: that you have been tracking through your own course of

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Speaker 3: study through the first seven weeks of the season, or things, yeah,

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Speaker 3: that you hope to see maybe beyond Missouri as a fan.

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Speaker 2: Or maybe the floor is just yours to vent about Miszoo.

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Speaker 1: No, the Missouri Auburn game that was I was actually like,

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00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: I'm not, I am emotionally neutral, like it does that.

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00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: I still, you know, if Missouri's on I will hope

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Speaker 1: that they win. I went to the Georgia game. It

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Speaker 1: was a freaking blast. Best time I've had in forro

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Speaker 1: Field and very or in Memorial Stadium for a long time.

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Speaker 1: I was almost impressed that with the Auburn game that

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Speaker 1: afterwards I was kind of sick to my stomach, like

814
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: I didn't know I was still capable of that, but

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Speaker 1: the way the way that Auburn game played out was amazing. No,

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00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: so I think there's kind of obviously we have to

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00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: ramp up and start talking about the playoffs soon. And

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Speaker 1: it's funny because I have a dread scenario and oh

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00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 1: my god, that would be the most amazing thing in

820
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: the world scenario kind of simultaneously. The dread scenario is

821
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: there is a non zero chance our playoff this year

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Speaker 1: is an Alabama Georgia rematch in an Ohio State Michigan rematch,

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00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 1: and that sounds like the grossest thing I can possibly imagine,

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00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: So that balances out the feelings of excitement I get

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00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: from a potential number one from a potential Tennessee Ole

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Speaker 1: Miss SEC time Lane Kiffen versus Tennessee SEC title game

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00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 1: that is also absolutely on the table. You know, Georgia

828
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: hosts Tennessee, so that's probably it's probably not gonna happen,

829
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: but it's non zero and that's amazing, and you can

830
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Speaker 1: just you can fiddle with this if Alabama ends up

831
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Speaker 1: actually out, whether it's all that beats them, whether it's

832
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: just Georgia in the title game, whatever it is. You

833
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: look at the number of teams that are that could

834
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 1: get a playoff bid that you know, one of those

835
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: like if I told you this at the beginning of

836
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: the season kind of things, whether it's Old Miss, whether

837
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: it's Tennessee, whether it's TCU, whether it's U C l A.

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Speaker 1: They're just a lot of really fun.

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Speaker 2: Whether it's Oregon after the Georgia game, saying.

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00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I get to preview a Georgia Oregon

841
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: rematch where I the whole thing is me trying to

842
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: convince myself, no, I really could be different this. Yeah, yeah, No.

843
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 1: There are just a lot of those teams out there

844
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: right now that are making this really fun. Clemson, you know,

845
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 1: that's kind of another worst case scenario for me, is

846
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: just Clemson is going to win out despite being elite

847
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 1: at nothing this year, right and is going to get

848
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: is going to lose to Georgia. You know, it's kind

849
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: of that twenty four to six game they had against

850
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 1: Alabama that one year in the playoff. That's not any fun.

851
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 1: You know, maybe they have time to find another gear

852
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,959
Speaker 1: and become elite at something. Now they're earleiad to nothing

853
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 1: and they're just winning games because they're slightly better than

854
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 1: their opponents. So I hope that changes if they keep winning.

855
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,919
Speaker 1: But no, like the number of fun stories, the number

856
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: of different one loss Big twelve champions that are still

857
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 1: out there right now that probably won't get to the

858
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: finish line with one loss but could TCUs on the befeated.

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00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: Oklahoma State's got a loss, Kansas State has a loss.

860
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: A lot of really fun teams. There's a lot of

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00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 1: these fun stories, and then there's this dark cloud of Michigan,

862
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 1: Ohio State, Alabama, Georgia hanging over everything that I hope

863
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: doesn't play out but absolutely could.

864
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 2: Final question, This is a unique season. It is a

865
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 2: season that is going to stand alone just in terms

866
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 2: of its place in sports, because in about a month,

867
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 2: the World Cup starts, as college football is occurring, this

868
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 2: is generally the place where Ty jumps in to ask

869
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 2: you one last question about the US men's national team

870
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 2: and feel free to tie, but how are you going

871
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 2: to manage your time in about a month when we

872
00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 2: have World Cup matches, When you have emotional and spiritual

873
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 2: and fandom tized to the US men's national team and

874
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 2: their pursuit of looking better than they have recently, what

875
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 2: are you gonna do with your time? And if you

876
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 2: are just speaking to a college football fan who is

877
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 2: interested in the World Cup but does not have deep knowledge,

878
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 2: does not have specific fandom of the US team or

879
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 2: any any country, or any specific knowledge of who's fun

880
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 2: to watch, how are you juggling? How are you balancing?

881
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 2: What are you choosing to watch in addition to the

882
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 2: US men's national team.

883
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 1: That's funny, Like for the last I got to go

884
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: to the ESPN the summit we had for World Cup

885
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: coverage back in June and went up to Bristol and

886
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: all the all the soccer folks were there and that

887
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: was really fun to be a part of and the

888
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: whole Like since then, it's basically been like, Yeah, that's

889
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 1: going to be a busy couple of weeks, isn't it.

890
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 1: But I finally actually I didn't want to think about it.

891
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: I finally made myself think about it last week and

892
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: just basically sketch out like, Okay, what is your workflow

893
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 1: going to be for like the week of Thanksgiving in

894
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,399
Speaker 1: the week after, because that's really that those of the.

895
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 2: Two break into a cold sweat.

896
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: Like I was starting to get I had to, I

897
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 1: had to order my thoughts and I had to lay

898
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: it out that that Actually that helped me a lot,

899
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 1: even though it's a lot, and it was kind of funny.

900
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: One of the things I'd actually forgotten about when I was,

901
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: you know, thinking about all the stuff I had to do,

902
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 1: was that last year I wrote, I wrote I got

903
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: to write weekly FCS playoff previews two and I am

904
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 1: never as long as I'm allowed to do that, I'm

905
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: never going to give that up. I love it, But

906
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: that means the week after Rivalry Week I'm looking at

907
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: basically writing liked my Sunday Night Rivalry Week week recap

908
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: Monday is basically the end of like the period where

909
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: you would write about the first the second full match

910
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: set of match days for the World come that's when

911
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: that would happen. Then you've got Championship Week preview, FCS

912
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: Playoff preview, and then the day after that is when

913
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: the third round of World Cup matches, whether it hit.

914
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: So so that's a lot that week is just gonna

915
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 1: be And and you know, my editors are are super nice,

916
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: and you could I'm sure if I said I don't

917
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 1: want to write FCS this year, they would let me

918
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: back out. I'm not going to because damn it, those

919
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: are my favorite pieces to write. That's just gonna be

920
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: a hard week. It's there's there's really no way around

921
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: the fact that that's going to be a very, very

922
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: busy week. And I mean, in a way it's kind

923
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: of good, like Championship Week is important, but there are

924
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 1: fewer games to follow and write about, so that helps.

925
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's a lot. I mean, it's just it's

926
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: a lot, and it's gonna be a lot, and it's

927
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: the only time it's ever gonna happen. Obviously, well never

928
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,240
Speaker 1: say never, but it's not gonna happen again for like eight, twelve, sixteen,

929
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: twenty years or whatever. So that that kind of all

930
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: that'll power you through is.

931
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 2: And if you're if you're a shadow advisor to Greg Berhalter,

932
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 2: you are telling him a month ish out, here's what

933
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 2: you play, here's what you do, here's how works. My

934
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 2: name is Bill Connolly, and I also have thoughts about

935
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 2: Kansas State football. What are you what are you telling him?

936
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: And and you know Samford.

937
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 2: And Samford footfall, Yeah, yeah, and like fordham FCS playoffs, We'll.

938
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: Say, holy cross, baby, they're making a cross. Yeah.

939
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,240
Speaker 2: What are you telling Gregor's.

940
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: It's I mean, there's nothing at this teach in the game.

941
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: What can you tell him? Like he's he's had four years.

942
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:24,919
Speaker 1: I went back and watched. I'm writing a piece about

943
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: the US this week. I'm usually I'm trying to summon

944
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 1: my inner optimism here. Yeah, they still have talent. They

945
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: could still It's not they could absolutely still make the

946
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: knockout runs at least, but they you know, four years

947
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: ago they were asking him like, how exactly are you

948
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: going to try to build a possession model, have a

949
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: possession style of play a against teams that are much

950
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: more talented than you and be in these cocky calf

951
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 1: pitches where they're you know, they're knobs all over the

952
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: place and the balls bumping around. How are you going

953
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 1: to actually do that? And his answer was basically, well,

954
00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: you would have probably thought I couldn't at Columbus too,

955
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: the which wasn't great and in retrospect especially, and then

956
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 1: you look at the last two years where it's heavy

957
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 1: possession and no shots, and then you look really good

958
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: when you're counter attacking, but you don't want to accounter attack.

959
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: You want to possess the ball. And you know, he's

960
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: got the best counter attacking forward or one of them

961
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: in Europe right now in Jordan pa Fock, But he

962
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: doesn't want p fok because he's not a possession guy.

963
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 1: He can't link up play and all this stuff. And

964
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: it just seems like the guys who are doing best

965
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: right now are not the ones he would prefer, and

966
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: the ones he would prefer are not the ones doing

967
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: the best right now. And I don't know, I don't

968
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: know I don't know what you do there. I'll be

969
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 1: shocked if he selects Pea Fok at this point and

970
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 1: it'll I'm already mad about it, and you know, just

971
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: put him on the bench if you're tied with like

972
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 1: ten minutes left and you need a quick counter, like

973
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 1: have that really fast guy available. And I don't know,

974
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,800
Speaker 1: it's it is what it is. It's a short It's

975
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: the tiniest sample tournament. And all they got to do

976
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 1: is probably beat Whales in they advance, and they might

977
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 1: and they might lose to Iran, and Iran is destined

978
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: to hold them to like four shots one of value

979
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: and probably be a zero zero draw. And just kind

980
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 1: of stinks that I'm not more excited about this at

981
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: the moment.

982
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 2: Does that all resonate ti.

983
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 3: Bill would know better than me? But yeah, absolutely. I

984
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 3: was gonna say there's a little bit of a James

985
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 3: Franklin quality to Greg Burholter in that he's been a

986
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 3: very good recruiter. There's a lot less snake oil with

987
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 3: Greg Burholter.

988
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: Wow.

989
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 3: But the US has not proven particularly a depth at

990
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 3: beating the teams They shouldn't.

991
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: No, I don't know if I'm going to put this

992
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: in the piece or not, so I will share it

993
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 1: since I actually pulled it. So, you know, one of

994
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 1: the weird things about evaluating the US. I mean it's

995
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: number one, okay, before before I go down the road,

996
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 1: everybody's been hurt and I have to I want to

997
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 1: acknowledge that, like he's had who is it, Raina Polisic, Adams,

998
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: McKinnie and dust on the field at the same time

999
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: in one match ever, Okay, so that matters. I want

1000
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: to forgive that. But I looked up it's it's always

1001
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: really hard to evaluate the US because they barely play

1002
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: outside the US because everybody wants to play in the US.

1003
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: And in their last ten total matches against semi real

1004
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: teams outside the US, you know, it's Costa Rica, let's

1005
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: see no sorry, So at Canada, Wales on a neutral,

1006
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:30,240
Speaker 1: at Switzerland, at Canada, Mexico neutral, at Costa Rica, Japan,

1007
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia. They have zero wins in those eight matches.

1008
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 1: They've they've scored one goal in those eight matches, they've

1009
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: gone up ten they've basically had they've gotten three points

1010
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: from those eight matches. Looking back at the eight before

1011
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: Berholter against Semi Real competition outside the US. They had

1012
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 1: one win, two drawals, five losses, and a minus nine

1013
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 1: goal differential, basically exactly the same team. And that was

1014
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: the most depressing thing I've ever put together. Again, I

1015
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: don't know if I'm gonna use or not, but I

1016
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,399
Speaker 1: figured it out and it was just And.

1017
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 2: You have an IOWA page with your sp plus team

1018
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,720
Speaker 2: profiles and that's still Yeah.

1019
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 3: Man, that's a tweet to save for a particularly rough

1020
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 3: first half during the World.

1021
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: I guess Wales. Yeah, like as soon as as soon

1022
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 1: as they're down to nil to Wales, bot there you go.

1023
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 3: That one goes viral. Bill Connolly, ESPN dot com. We

1024
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 3: have to get together and talk more about this at

1025
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 3: some point. I hope we can work this out. But

1026
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:27,359
Speaker 3: let's let's see if we can do it. We've been

1027
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 3: talking about it for you.

1028
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 2: You know where he lives. You can go down to Como.

1029
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful like thirty degrees.

1030
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,399
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Bill Connolly, ESPN dot Com. Enjoy the second

1031
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 3: half the college football season. Will have to have you

1032
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 3: on and get to talk about all things football, maybe

1033
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 3: some things World cuple see how it breaks, but.

1034
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 2: Always a pleasure to.

1035
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: It's always a pleasure.

1036
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 2: To have you on sir. Yep, alrighty Dan, there you go.

1037
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, ever optimistic Bill Connolly ESPN dot com. Check

1038
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 3: out his college football coverage. Check out his World Cup coverage.

1039
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 3: I know I will as things start to heat up,

1040
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 3: I eagerly await anything Bill has to write about both subjects.

1041
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 3: He is one of the brightest minds we know of

1042
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,839
Speaker 3: when it comes to all things college football. The sp

1043
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 3: plus is something we use regularly to help guide our

1044
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 3: coverage here, whatever our coverage is on the somlid burbal

1045
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,280
Speaker 3: So we appreciate Bill's wisdom as always.

1046
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I'm gonna rapid fire you the questions I

1047
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 2: want you to answer it from THH plus that we

1048
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 2: were not able to answer from our discord. Okay, THH

1049
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:33,240
Speaker 2: plus Okay, Ty hilden Brandt plus a non statistical expert.

1050
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 2: You don't have a formula, you don't have an algorithm,

1051
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 2: you have nothing. But this is THH plus answering. Okay, Okay,

1052
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 2: from the is Alabama still a juggernaut or are they declining?

1053
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 3: They're still a juggernaut?

1054
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 2: Yes, how good are UCLA and organ.

1055
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 3: I think Oregon is better than UCLA, But Ucla is

1056
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 3: definitely better than they've been. Why is the Big Twelve

1057
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 3: so fun to watch this year? Because I don't know

1058
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 3: who the worst team is?

1059
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 2: High floor. That's a good answer.

1060
00:52:58,160 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 3: TI.

1061
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 2: Have you ever considered going off on your own and

1062
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,800
Speaker 2: starting your own Ken Palm style thh plus site?

1063
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 3: Not yet, but I do have a spreadsheet, a Google

1064
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:10,800
Speaker 3: sheet that I am trying to make available to people

1065
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,240
Speaker 3: to people excuse me over atverbowlers dot com.

1066
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:17,240
Speaker 2: Are there any methodologies, practices, stats, data sources they THH

1067
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 2: plus would recommend against someone using for building out their

1068
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 2: own ranking system. Not at present.

1069
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 3: I do a lot of control C, control V, and

1070
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:26,959
Speaker 3: I can't recommend that enough.

1071
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 2: Can tch plus measure how good or important tight ends are?

1072
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 3: No, absolutely not. We can measure how good they are

1073
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 3: and how important they are to Notre Dame. But that's it.

1074
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 2: Out of UCLA, Syracuse, TCU and Old Miss, who is

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Speaker 2: the most undervalued? What were those teams again? Ucla, Syracuse, TCU,

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Speaker 2: and Ole Miss Probably TCU, Okay, TCU undervalued because of

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Speaker 2: the explosive sunny Dike's Offen. That's right, you're Kendre Miller's

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Speaker 2: your Quintin Johnston's you know, is there any reason to

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Speaker 2: be positive about Notre Dame this season? Did somebody really

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Speaker 2: ask that? Absolutely? It is u Boz eighteen sixty bads Boz.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, sure, sure, there is a chance they

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Speaker 3: could improve. There is a chance that we will see

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Speaker 3: the offensive scheme around Drew Pine stop relying so heavily

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Speaker 3: on Drew Pine, which I think is one of the

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Speaker 3: big issues. There is a chance that we could see

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Speaker 3: a guy like a Tobias Merryweather, not Mayweather, as they

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Speaker 3: said on the Close Enough Recap podcast. We could see

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Speaker 3: some of these young guys start to grow up and

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Speaker 3: maybe build into more of a presence moving forward into

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty three. Unfortunately, for me, a lot is shaded

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Speaker 3: by the skepticism that comes from what we've seen around

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Speaker 3: the offense so far, whether it's the offensive line or

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Speaker 3: the scheming around you know, the pieces that are out there.

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Speaker 3: That part, to me, has been a tough pill to swallow.

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Speaker 3: So I suppose there is a chance some of that

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Speaker 3: stuff could change. I am waiting for Marcus Freeman to

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Speaker 3: take the by the horns and say this is my team,

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Speaker 3: this is what I want this team's identity to be.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if that's happened yet, so there's always

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Speaker 3: a chance.

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Speaker 2: Okay, final question, does a barely average offense make Iowa

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Speaker 2: a juggernaut given how strong their defense has been? And

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Speaker 2: so to give you a couple of names for average

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Speaker 2: offenses right now that are just right in that, like

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Speaker 2: fifty sixty sixty five, Like if they have Cincinnati's offense,

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Speaker 2: they have Pitts offense. If they have let's look like

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Speaker 2: Oregon States offense at the moment, if they have Perdue's offense,

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Speaker 2: number forty nine in the nation. If they have that,

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Speaker 2: does that sort of quote unquote super team quote make

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Speaker 2: them especially dangerous in the Big Ten? And they have

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Speaker 2: Ohio State this week?

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Speaker 3: I want to I want to wait a week. I

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Speaker 3: want to wait a week because the only truly good

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Speaker 3: team that they have played outside of Illinois, Illinois got

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Speaker 3: a good defense, but yeah, the only truly good team

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Speaker 3: that Iowa has been tested against has been Michigan, and

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Speaker 3: Michigan chose to play bully ball and beat their brains

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Speaker 3: in and rush for three hundred plus yards, which they

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Speaker 3: did effectively. This week we get to se him against

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Speaker 3: Ohio State. I think the Ohio State offense is a

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Speaker 3: little bit more multifaceted in that they can run and

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Speaker 3: they can throw. I want to see what this defense

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Speaker 3: looks like against them. The defense remains stellar, remains good

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Speaker 3: enough to keep their offense in the game as if

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Speaker 3: they had an offense, then we can talk about what

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Speaker 3: would the juggernaut level be of Iowa if they had

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Speaker 3: a medium grade offense. I still think the answer is no.

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Speaker 3: I still think the answer is no. I have serious

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Speaker 3: questions about whether or not this defense can hold against

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Speaker 3: an offense like we're going to see this week against

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Speaker 3: Ohio State.

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Speaker 2: But basically, if Jeff Brahm, Aidan O'Connell and Chuck Sizzill

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Speaker 2: come back, that's right, right, if they are suddenly wearing

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Speaker 2: the black and gold.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I want to wait. I want to wait

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Speaker 3: one week before I to that question. But right now

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Speaker 3: my answer is no, you're.

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Speaker 2: Not a I has deferred. Okay, yeah, fair enough. That's it.

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Speaker 3: Dan. It's always fun to talk to Bill Connolly. It's

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Speaker 2: Do I have that sound of it? I feel like

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Speaker 2: I always should.

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Speaker 1: To talk about.

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Speaker 3: Ty Hillebrand, thanks for joining us. We will talk to

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Speaker 3: y'all soon. In the meantime, stay solid base,