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Speaker 1: It is Monday, January fourth, two thousand, twenty one, Season sixteen,
Speaker 1: episode number ninety one. Welcome to the latest edition of
Speaker 1: The Break. We're presented by Geico. We are live from
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Speaker 1: talking Cowboys football. Cowboys lose their final game of the
Speaker 1: season to the New York Giants twenty three to night team,
Speaker 1: a game that they needed in order to keep themselves
Speaker 1: alive until Sunday night. We're gonna talk about all the
Speaker 1: things that happened in that game and why Dallas ended
Speaker 1: up losing. Before we do, though, we got to talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about why it didn't matter at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, because as of last night they
Speaker 1: would have needed the Philadelphia Eagles to beat the Washington
Speaker 1: football team. That did not happen, and it did not
Speaker 1: happen for a bit of a I don't know if
Speaker 1: it was a strange reason, but it certainly was a
Speaker 1: reason that I didn't really buy much. And we'll talk
Speaker 1: about that a little bit. Let's start first, I guess
Speaker 1: real quick before we get into the Cowboys game, with
Speaker 1: what happened last night and what Philadelphia did. Obviously, into
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter, they had Jalen Hurts starting. There were
Speaker 1: a lot of their players that were out, most of
Speaker 1: them I assume had legitimate injuries, either coming from the
Speaker 1: previous game or games before that, but they had Jalen
Speaker 1: Hurts playing. They get into the fourth quarter, it is
Speaker 1: a ball game, it's less than one score, and they
Speaker 1: decide to pull Hurts. Did you have a problem with that?
Speaker 1: Just as an NFL fan and as a Cowboys observer, Nick, Honestly,
Speaker 1: I didn't see the first half of the game. I
Speaker 1: got in about about half time. By the time, I
Speaker 1: didn't really know all what was going on, but I
Speaker 1: definitely heard and then I, um, yeah, problem with that,
Speaker 1: I mean a problem with with how I mean we
Speaker 1: always say it just in life, you know, we use
Speaker 1: the joke about coaches and you coach your team I'll
Speaker 1: coach my team, okay, And here it is. I mean
Speaker 1: here he's coaching his team and he's doing it this way.
Speaker 1: But um, you know you're trying to get a better
Speaker 1: draft pick. That's what it is. And then you know
Speaker 1: you got an assistant coach saying where this is a
Speaker 1: no hat game, we're not having a hat. Well, that's
Speaker 1: bs you. You're you're passing it out, you know. So
Speaker 1: you know, just I think you said it. Just don't
Speaker 1: don't insolt our intel just here here by saying it's
Speaker 1: one thing when it's not. I mean, you were trying
Speaker 1: to lose, you wanted a better draft pick. It is
Speaker 1: what it is. Yea, Nay, I know you got a
Speaker 1: different opinion on this. What's your thoughts? I do, And
Speaker 1: I'm I'm comfortable in the knowledge that you know, maybe
Speaker 1: I'm a bad person or a petty sports fan, but uh,
Speaker 1: hating your right els is just as fun of a
Speaker 1: part of sports as loving your team, in my opinion.
Speaker 1: And I'm not going to go as far as to
Speaker 1: say I applaud what Philly did, but I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't have a problem with it. You know, they had
Speaker 1: nothing to gain by winning that game. And it seemed
Speaker 1: to me that they wanted to make as many of
Speaker 1: their rivals miserable as possible. So you know, they pissed
Speaker 1: off the Giants and gave and gave Washington division got
Speaker 1: a better draft pick out of it. Probably not the
Speaker 1: coolest thing in the world, but I respect the pettiness
Speaker 1: of it all. It's what division rivalries are all about.
Speaker 1: And I promise you I would feel the same way
Speaker 1: if they had done it to the Cowboys. Sorry, I
Speaker 1: just it is what it is. And you know, first
Speaker 1: of all, don't put your fate in the hands of
Speaker 1: another team, and definitely don't put your fate in the
Speaker 1: hands of a team that hates your guts. And I
Speaker 1: think the Giants learned that last night. Yeah, that's all true,
Speaker 1: and I agree with a lot of that. What I
Speaker 1: will say, though, is I think it's I think it's
Speaker 1: bush league to say something thing different than what you're doing.
Speaker 1: If you're gonna be petty, say you're gonna be petty,
Speaker 1: like that's a part of the whole thing, Like you
Speaker 1: want to do this, and say, hey, we're gonna do this.
Speaker 1: Because the NFC shouldn't be trying to win their championships
Speaker 1: off of us. Then okay, say that, say I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna give you I'm not gonna hand you anything, New
Speaker 1: York Giants, or if the Cowboys would have won, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna hand you anything, Dallas Cowboys. I'm okay with
Speaker 1: that if you're willing to say it, but don't didn't
Speaker 1: come to the press conference and say no, we were
Speaker 1: really trying to win. We just decided at the end
Speaker 1: of the game that we were gonna pull the guy
Speaker 1: that had scored both the scores that we had and
Speaker 1: we're gonna put in a guy who has not played
Speaker 1: all season to play quarterback and somehow win this game
Speaker 1: for us. Like that, to me is is where I
Speaker 1: think it was bush League, And I think if you're
Speaker 1: gonna be petty, be petty and own your pettiness, right,
Speaker 1: I mean I would have I would have applauded it
Speaker 1: if Doug Peterson had gone to the podium and been like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we are you gonna do about it? But you know
Speaker 1: he didn't. That's yeah, I mean, I don't disagree with
Speaker 1: you by just I'm not gonna lose sleep. Well. That's
Speaker 1: also the interesting thing. I wonder if if if the
Speaker 1: commissioner would have or still might do something about all
Speaker 1: this if he thinks that that is not in a
Speaker 1: good spirit of the game. Yeah. I mean that's how
Speaker 1: you save yourself from me. You say what you what
Speaker 1: he said, and he pisses you off and all that,
Speaker 1: But you say that so you don't get fined, because
Speaker 1: if you come out Mark Cuban and admit that, then
Speaker 1: he's then he's getting fine. It's embarrassment to the NFL.
Speaker 1: They're the ones that said, hey, we're gonna put this
Speaker 1: game on there, this will be a good game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, in the middle of
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter, Al Michaels is yelling at his producer
Speaker 1: like is it Sudfeld or a suit I don't know
Speaker 1: who is this guy? You know, when Chris Collinsworth went
Speaker 1: in on it too, like they all and that that
Speaker 1: was a part of kind of the whole thing. I
Speaker 1: will say this, yeah, And I mean everything y'all saying
Speaker 1: is valid. It's it's not a good look for the league.
Speaker 1: It's not really a good look for the Eagles, even
Speaker 1: though I don't care um, but just the nature of
Speaker 1: the league and the way that this is all designed.
Speaker 1: I just I have a hard time getting too worked
Speaker 1: up about it because it's so hard to wind up
Speaker 1: in these situations. Actually, a lot of people have pointed
Speaker 1: out this happened five years ago. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Speaker 1: were fighting for the number one overall pick the year
Speaker 1: they draft. They wound up drafting Jamis Winston. They were
Speaker 1: up twenty to seven on the Saints in a meaningless
Speaker 1: Week seventeen game, and they pulled like they pulled Mike Evans,
Speaker 1: They pulled like three or four of their best players,
Speaker 1: and they gave up a thirteen point lead in the
Speaker 1: second half to make sure they could draft number one.
Speaker 1: Nobody remembers that because this almost never has a chance
Speaker 1: to happen. It's an unfortunate set of circumstances where the
Speaker 1: league didn't have a great game to choose from in
Speaker 1: Week seventeen, which very rarely happens. And I just don't
Speaker 1: think this is a trend because it's it's hard to
Speaker 1: tank in the NFL because there's too much parody and
Speaker 1: single games mean too much. So I think it's a
Speaker 1: one off. I bet we won't have to talk about
Speaker 1: something like this for another five or six years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I will say this. I don't. I'm not really worked
Speaker 1: up about it because at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: it wasn't the Cowboys. Cowboys are at already, they were
Speaker 1: already out of it. I will tell you this though,
Speaker 1: if that game would have been different Cowboys versus Giants,
Speaker 1: I think I would have been a little bit more
Speaker 1: worked up by it, because obviously that was what you
Speaker 1: were looking at, and you saw the Giants players. They
Speaker 1: were reacting to it on social media because again they
Speaker 1: saw it as their opportunity, and the Eagles were in
Speaker 1: the game and they just basically decided in the fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: we don't choose to win this game. And I think
Speaker 1: that's the part that rolls people wrong. Now, let's jump
Speaker 1: into the storylines of the Cowboys game. The Cowboys lose
Speaker 1: twenty three to nineteen and or first you up first
Speaker 1: to tell me what what what's the big storyline that
Speaker 1: you take from this game? Obviously the season's over, But
Speaker 1: was there a big storyline that you take from this game? Well,
Speaker 1: the season is over, and but this is when the
Speaker 1: real work starts. I mean, there's a lot of work
Speaker 1: to dude right now, and there should be no days off.
Speaker 1: No one deserves a vacation, they should get right into work,
Speaker 1: all right, Actually, let me mean a little bit nice
Speaker 1: or take a couple of days to let the horrible
Speaker 1: season really sink in and reflect on yourself and the
Speaker 1: bad things that you did or didn't do this year.
Speaker 1: But in reality, there's just so much work. Honestly, since
Speaker 1: the time I started working here, I've never felt like
Speaker 1: there's so much to be done in an off season
Speaker 1: as I feel right now. And the problem is that
Speaker 1: there's not an easy an easy fix. There's not like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're just missing this piece. And I know there's a
Speaker 1: lot of hope when it comes to Dak Prescott signing
Speaker 1: him and then getting some of these guys that were
Speaker 1: hurt in the old line back healthy and all that,
Speaker 1: but but we have to to keep reality and be aware,
Speaker 1: like there's there's just so much more than just getting
Speaker 1: some of these guys back into the field healthy. There's
Speaker 1: just a lot of things to work on and fix.
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be, um, yeah, it's gonna be a busy,
Speaker 1: busy off season, and I hope they're able to hopefully
Speaker 1: you figure it out this year so that we can
Speaker 1: finally have a actually make a run for it all right, Nick,
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, the offensive line just got their
Speaker 1: ass kicked and and it was that's really where the game,
Speaker 1: you know, was lost. Every time they've tried to do anything,
Speaker 1: they took a step back in the game, they got sacked.
Speaker 1: At the end of the game, they couldn't I mean,
Speaker 1: they just the line just couldn't block. And that's you know,
Speaker 1: it was just the strength. And that's when we see
Speaker 1: teams when they when you face a team that that
Speaker 1: is their strength, like Washington. They couldn't even stay on
Speaker 1: the field with Washington. And then the Giants, you know,
Speaker 1: they not this time around because you know, they didn't
Speaker 1: have Zach Martin as they did the first meeting. It
Speaker 1: was just it was ugly and everybody was getting killed.
Speaker 1: And I look at those five guys and I think,
Speaker 1: I don't know if any of these five should be
Speaker 1: a starter next year. So that's that's, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't agree with everything Amber says about how much work
Speaker 1: is to be done. I think this team a lot
Speaker 1: closer to competing than, you know, than people think, but
Speaker 1: that offensive line is not close and that's got to
Speaker 1: get fixed, whether it be bringing the guys back and
Speaker 1: then getting better investment on when that things happen, you
Speaker 1: got to have better resources than what they had, Dave.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I think Nick is absolutely right.
Speaker 1: It's it all stems from the offensive line. But because
Speaker 1: of that, it just kind of goes back to a
Speaker 1: theme from the season of like they didn't have an
Speaker 1: identity yesterday at all, and they haven't had one for
Speaker 1: most of the season, and mainly because of the Giants front.
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton didn't have time to throw. When he did
Speaker 1: have time to throw, he held onto the ball too long.
Speaker 1: None of your three great receivers had more than fifty
Speaker 1: yards receiving. Michael Gallup has another bad day after arguably
Speaker 1: his best day, So the passing game's not working for
Speaker 1: a variety of reasons. Zeke Elliott averaged three yards per carry,
Speaker 1: and like, you know, this wasn't like a situation where
Speaker 1: they had to throw their way back into the game.
Speaker 1: They pulled it within four points midway through the third quarter,
Speaker 1: and the running games still really wasn't part of what
Speaker 1: they were trying to do, and probably because they couldn't
Speaker 1: get anywhere doing it. You know, they averaged just over
Speaker 1: four yards per carry. The I mean, no, just at
Speaker 1: four yards per carry. The long run of the day
Speaker 1: was probably Andy's fourth down keeper, which was awesome, but
Speaker 1: that's not a sign that you're winning in the on
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. So they, I mean, they just
Speaker 1: they couldn't do anything. They're like, they didn't have anything
Speaker 1: they could lean on. They didn't have anything they felt
Speaker 1: confident about, and that kind of describes the whole year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it was. To me, it was a microcosm
Speaker 1: of the season. And I think I agree with you Nick,
Speaker 1: the biggest problem this team had all season. And I
Speaker 1: heard your radio call this morning, I was thinking the
Speaker 1: exact same thing. I thought it for several weeks now.
Speaker 1: It was not the loss of Dak Prescott. It was
Speaker 1: a loss of your two tackles. I think that offensive
Speaker 1: line has held later. Yeah, it has held this team
Speaker 1: back significantly because they just couldn't do the things that
Speaker 1: go to Dave's point, that gave them their identity, like
Speaker 1: what they were expecting to be able to be this
Speaker 1: year offensively, that all got killed when their offensive line
Speaker 1: when they started the season with basically with three guys
Speaker 1: that were starters last year not being there for most
Speaker 1: of the season, and then you lost the fourth and
Speaker 1: so I agree with you. I don't think that. I
Speaker 1: don't think there's a single guy on that offensive line
Speaker 1: by the end of this season that I necessarily think
Speaker 1: is a great option to start next year. I think,
Speaker 1: you know, I do think Connor Williams has been a
Speaker 1: little bit better this year than I expected him to
Speaker 1: be in a little bit better maybe than he was
Speaker 1: last year. I still don't know if it's good enough.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's good enough if you have all those other
Speaker 1: guys in place. But all that being said, I think
Speaker 1: this is just a microcosm of what's happened this season.
Speaker 1: This offensive line has not been good enough, and yesterday
Speaker 1: Dallas could not stop They could not stop the New
Speaker 1: York Giant defensive front. They were just too good and
Speaker 1: they were overpowering. All right, we're gonna take our first back.
Speaker 1: When we come back. We're going to get into some
Speaker 1: of the details of the game, some of the moments
Speaker 1: that mattered in this game and where the game turned
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Speaker 1: of the Break Life in the s WBC Morria Studios.
Speaker 1: At the start, we are presented by Geico. We're talking
Speaker 1: about the Cowboys loss to the New York Giants to
Speaker 1: finish the season. They lose twenty three to nineteen. Let's
Speaker 1: get into some of the moments that matter, some of
Speaker 1: the finer details of this game. Nick, let's start with you.
Speaker 1: What was your moment that mattered in this game? Well,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I actually disagree with the call, but
Speaker 1: I think it definitely mattered in hindsight that you know,
Speaker 1: you get late in the game like that and you're
Speaker 1: expecting to score a little bit more. It's twenty to nine,
Speaker 1: they score a touchdown, they decide to kick the extra point.
Speaker 1: At the time, I was fine with it. I'm fine
Speaker 1: with it now it's twenty to sixteen. You know, you're
Speaker 1: you're rolling, you're feeling, you're feeling better about things and
Speaker 1: how you're moving the ball, and you expect it, you know,
Speaker 1: to not to try to chase points, and as it
Speaker 1: turns out, you only got one more field goal and
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's twenty to nineteen. And you know,
Speaker 1: and then it's twenty three nineteen and you had a
Speaker 1: shot at late in the game, you could have been
Speaker 1: kicking the field goal had you gone for two. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that moment turned out to matter. Again, I
Speaker 1: don't disagree with the call, but you know, if you
Speaker 1: would have told me you're only going to score three
Speaker 1: more points and they're only gonna get three more points,
Speaker 1: then yeah, you definitely do it. Yeah, so that that
Speaker 1: proved to matter. But that's just the style that McCarthy
Speaker 1: didn't want to, you know, try to chase the point
Speaker 1: if if he didn't get it, one of the one
Speaker 1: of the things go ahead. Amber. I was just gonna say,
Speaker 1: like I don't have a problem with that like during
Speaker 1: the game or whatever. But what I have a problem
Speaker 1: with is the logic behind it. If you if we
Speaker 1: go back, I really forgot why game that was earlier
Speaker 1: in the year where we had like why did McCarthy
Speaker 1: try to go for it? And then he explained he's like, well,
Speaker 1: I'd rather know earlier on in the game. So it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: if that's your your logic behind it all, then then
Speaker 1: why not continue with that kind of same reasoning and
Speaker 1: do that now like that that's my problem. It's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: what what are you really trying to do or like,
Speaker 1: what's really your strategy behind it? Don't tell me you
Speaker 1: want to you rather find out earlier on and then
Speaker 1: in a game like this, you don't go for that.
Speaker 1: And and I get that every game is different and
Speaker 1: all that, but at the same time, I guess that's
Speaker 1: just the part that actually bothers me that we heard
Speaker 1: that logic before and then now we don't get to
Speaker 1: see it. And then it's like, this is an important game,
Speaker 1: so why and so I don't know, But there's a
Speaker 1: lot of different If you don't, you don't know. Well,
Speaker 1: that game I think was the Falcons game, and there's
Speaker 1: five minutes to go and in this case there's twenty
Speaker 1: minutes or twenty five minutes to go in the game,
Speaker 1: so there's a lot more time. But see the way
Speaker 1: they were playing, Yeah, I mean the way they were playing.
Speaker 1: I don't disagree really any like a lot of confidence,
Speaker 1: Well just just know this, like if if you don't
Speaker 1: get it, you're down by five. Okay, they score a touchdown,
Speaker 1: and that it comes down to your confidence in the defense.
Speaker 1: If the Giants go and score a touchdown, then you
Speaker 1: are definitely down by two scores. You're down by two touchdowns.
Speaker 1: You're down by twelve. If you keeping it for and
Speaker 1: you somehow give up a touchdown, it's eleven. You're still
Speaker 1: you know, you're still kind of in it. You're still
Speaker 1: you know. So that's that's kind of why it's like
Speaker 1: too early to be chasing points. Just kick and see
Speaker 1: what happens. As it turned out, Yeah that he should
Speaker 1: have done it, you know, But I don't know if
Speaker 1: next year he's gonna change his strategy on that. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, they've all asked you, do you think
Speaker 1: it's It was kind of um interesting that all season.
Speaker 1: I think a consistent storyline has been how aggressive this
Speaker 1: coach has been in this play call, I mean, and
Speaker 1: all the things that they do special teams when they
Speaker 1: decide to go for it, Like they've been really aggressive thing,
Speaker 1: way more aggressive than we've been used to seeing. But
Speaker 1: in this game, in this moment, he decides to opt
Speaker 1: for just taking the extra point. Does that stand out
Speaker 1: to you as something and did you agree with the call?
Speaker 1: I think it kind of goes back to the whole
Speaker 1: like not having an identity thing because I would agree
Speaker 1: with you, like overall they've been aggressive, but I don't
Speaker 1: know if there's consistency to it. Like I think AG
Speaker 1: makes a pretty good point that it can swing wildly
Speaker 1: from one game to the next, where it's like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, the numbers say we needed to go for two,
Speaker 1: and then the next week it's we don't want to
Speaker 1: chase points. Like it doesn't seem like there is a
Speaker 1: just an in like a strict philosophy that guides these
Speaker 1: decisions and you know that they're going to be consistent
Speaker 1: from week to week. Me personally, I really didn't have
Speaker 1: a problem with it. I think it's the epitome of
Speaker 1: Monday morning quarterbacking, to be honest with you, because I mean,
Speaker 1: if you miss, if you miss that try and all
Speaker 1: the Giants get as a field goal, now you're down eight,
Speaker 1: and now you're in a situation where probably in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter you're gonna have to score a touchdown and
Speaker 1: go for two just to tie it because of a
Speaker 1: decision that you made. Yeah, I don't like the second
Speaker 1: guess those types of calls unless they're just like egregious.
Speaker 1: So I will say it's it's weird that Mike McCarthy's
Speaker 1: not more consistent with his philosophy in my opinion. But
Speaker 1: I didn't hate that decision, you know, very much at all.
Speaker 1: And I agree with what you guys are saying that
Speaker 1: the inconsistency. But that's why I think that analytics can
Speaker 1: be useful, but you can't lean on it, and there
Speaker 1: are holes in analytics because because you can't, there's just
Speaker 1: not a steady rule that this is how we do things.
Speaker 1: This is not montell Jordan. You can't just say this
Speaker 1: is how we do it all the time because when
Speaker 1: you've got situations like this, well, this is how you
Speaker 1: do it. When you have Tyran Smith and you have
Speaker 1: Zach Martin and you're on the two yard line and
Speaker 1: you feel like you can run it in you have
Speaker 1: Dak and a good runner and all that, but two
Speaker 1: yards to this offensive line against that team it seems
Speaker 1: like twenty. So it's different. There's not just a chart
Speaker 1: for that that has asterix and it says, well, what
Speaker 1: if your center sucks? Oh yeah, it says here, don't
Speaker 1: don't go for two if your centers up. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying Joe Lunis, I'm just saying in general,
Speaker 1: So analytics sounds good, but you have to take it
Speaker 1: case by case, and that's why I think there's inconsistency.
Speaker 1: And I'm not sure, Dave. You might know more about
Speaker 1: this because you get into the analytics world a little
Speaker 1: bit more than I do. But I don't even know
Speaker 1: if the analytics chart said that they should have gone
Speaker 1: forward in that situation. I just think there are a
Speaker 1: lot of people who feel like, hey, you could have
Speaker 1: drawn within three, and at the end of the game,
Speaker 1: three might have mattered, right, But Amber's point is right.
Speaker 1: If you're gonna sit up here and say I need
Speaker 1: all the time I know to need what you know,
Speaker 1: I want to know what I need to do, well,
Speaker 1: then go for together and you know that you need
Speaker 1: a touchdown for sure. All right, let's let's go on, Amber,
Speaker 1: Let's get your moment. That mattered to me. I mean,
Speaker 1: there were many things that led to this point, but
Speaker 1: it was that Dalton interception towards the end of the
Speaker 1: game the Giants, they were twenty three nineteen. It was
Speaker 1: a third and goal. I mean it was like a
Speaker 1: minute and twenty seconds left or something like that in
Speaker 1: the game. And yes, he got he felt the pressure,
Speaker 1: but if you go back and look at the game
Speaker 1: and that play specifically, there was no need for him
Speaker 1: to just throw that ball towards the end zone just
Speaker 1: like that, so careless. And it's one of those things
Speaker 1: that you still had another chance where you could have
Speaker 1: made something happen, just throw it away to the side
Speaker 1: or just hold on to the ball, but there was
Speaker 1: absolutely no need for a quarterback that is a veteran
Speaker 1: guy that has the experience many many years, that knows
Speaker 1: the game, that understands and is aware. And yes, he
Speaker 1: was having a horrible game yesterday, but you just you
Speaker 1: can't at that point. You cannot be making those kinds
Speaker 1: of decisions and mistake. That was absolutely rookie mentality in
Speaker 1: my mind, and it should not have happened, and that
Speaker 1: obviously led to the Cowboys just completely losing that game
Speaker 1: when they actually had their final chance, that was their
Speaker 1: final chance to get some points on there, and they
Speaker 1: didn't because of that decision. Yeah, I think that's a
Speaker 1: good I think you pointed out something really interesting there, Amber,
Speaker 1: because if you look at it, you immediately want to
Speaker 1: think Brandon Knight was the problem, which he was. He
Speaker 1: did he could not block Wood and he couldn't block
Speaker 1: Williams all day. That was a problem for him. But
Speaker 1: you're right, like a veteran quarterback should have known in
Speaker 1: that situation, Hey live to fight another day. Here, get
Speaker 1: rid of the ball, get the ball out, throw it
Speaker 1: to the sideline, do something. There's an opportunity here to
Speaker 1: at least get another play rather than just chunk up
Speaker 1: a prayer into the end zone. I know what he
Speaker 1: was doing. Dalton Schultz was back there. He kind of
Speaker 1: fluttered it out, So I don't know if if the
Speaker 1: ball didn't have enough on it and that was you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened there, But you're right, that
Speaker 1: was probably just as much as fault as it was
Speaker 1: Brian Knight's fault. Dave, give a share your moment that mattered.
Speaker 1: I don't know this for sure. And you know, I
Speaker 1: didn't get to talk to Andy because I was on
Speaker 1: the other telephone line with the other players when he talked.
Speaker 1: But for a veteran quarterback to make a decision like
Speaker 1: that in that situation almost makes me think he thought
Speaker 1: it was fourth down. Honestly, I like it was the
Speaker 1: end of the game, that was the last play. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't I can't come up with a reason why
Speaker 1: a veteran quarterback would throw that ball otherwise. H And
Speaker 1: that's that whole sequence. To me, it's all about that.
Speaker 1: And you know, we can talk about the we can
Speaker 1: talk about the challenge controversy, the Dante Pattis catch. I'm
Speaker 1: sure we will. But like for me, it was their
Speaker 1: best drive of the day. Seventeen plays, four minutes. It's
Speaker 1: their longest drive of the day in terms of plays
Speaker 1: and time. You know, you got the Andy keeper on
Speaker 1: fourth down. You do all this great stuff to get
Speaker 1: in position to win the game. One fifty three to play.
Speaker 1: Giants have one time out left, You're on the seven
Speaker 1: yard line, and like, that just might be the worst
Speaker 1: three play sequence I've seen in a long time. And
Speaker 1: you know, you can lame Terrence Steele and Brandon Knight.
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton gets sacked on first down. Why on earth
Speaker 1: are you empty? Why? Why are you not even why
Speaker 1: are you not even going to give the impression that
Speaker 1: Zeke might touch the ball on you know, again, it's
Speaker 1: first down, Giants have one timeout, So like, not only
Speaker 1: are you in position to score, but you have a
Speaker 1: chance to force them to burn timeouts and burn clock like,
Speaker 1: if you do your job very well, you can take
Speaker 1: the lead and give the ball back to the Giants
Speaker 1: with one minute to play and no timeouts. It's a
Speaker 1: very good situation of being You go empty, so nobody's
Speaker 1: even buying that you're going to run the ball with
Speaker 1: your ninety million dollars running back. You get sacked because
Speaker 1: your offensive line has been getting its ass whipped all day.
Speaker 1: But quick Brook quick Dave that they didn't even get
Speaker 1: whipped on that play. They literally just decided we're not
Speaker 1: gonna touch, Like he just ran right by him and
Speaker 1: nobody touched. Yeah, yeah, it was a protection breakdown. I
Speaker 1: get that, and I mean that maybe the play works
Speaker 1: if that doesn't happen, But again, like, why are you empty?
Speaker 1: Why don't you even want somebody to think that you
Speaker 1: might run the ball. And then you know, CD with
Speaker 1: just probably his worst drop of the season given the circumstances,
Speaker 1: and then we already talked about what happened on third down.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was just a total meltdown. If they
Speaker 1: even you know, if they even just charge into the
Speaker 1: line twice and don't gain yards, you're still burning a
Speaker 1: time out, You're still burning clock. And then you got
Speaker 1: two plays to make it happen. I'm not saying it
Speaker 1: would have, but like just a what a colossal failure
Speaker 1: and it cost him the game. Obviously. Let me ask
Speaker 1: you guys this question, And I know this may sound
Speaker 1: like an overreaction, so feel free to say it is
Speaker 1: an overreaction. But are you at all concerned about moments
Speaker 1: when Ceedee Lamb has had drops this season? Because this
Speaker 1: isn't the first time when he's had opportunities and just
Speaker 1: couldn't make the catch, couldn't bring it down, and in
Speaker 1: some instances they weren't tough catches. He just seemed almost
Speaker 1: like he just kind of had a lapse in concentration.
Speaker 1: Are you all concerned about that? Nick? Um? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I think you expect things. You expect rookies to make,
Speaker 1: you know, to have some inconsistent moments, and so he
Speaker 1: had some. Um, this is not a cold weather team,
Speaker 1: that mean at all. I don't know if they're a
Speaker 1: warm weather team either. Like they're just not that good.
Speaker 1: I mean we as we know they're not that good,
Speaker 1: but they seem to make more plays. The passing game
Speaker 1: really struggles, and so it goes back to that first
Speaker 1: Washington game. You need to be able to be a tough,
Speaker 1: grind it out. We're better than you, tougher than you team,
Speaker 1: and doesn't matter what the weather's like. You could run
Speaker 1: the football and do all those things Nate that they
Speaker 1: obviously can't do that, not not in this shape. But
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's a little it's a little concerning.
Speaker 1: That drop was the I agree with Dave, it's the
Speaker 1: worst one. You know. I don't call a droptail Mary
Speaker 1: really a problem. The Washington game was in the end zone.
Speaker 1: That was a big play. But but this one, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean we're talking five our line. Maybe, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean he might be able to break a tackle and
Speaker 1: get in. You expect he's gonna make it interesting. He
Speaker 1: was definitely gonna make it interesting. He'd be down there
Speaker 1: close enough to where you could actually maybe decided to
Speaker 1: run it on second down. Who knows. He's a really,
Speaker 1: really good wide receiver. He had a really good year,
Speaker 1: had one of the best years ever as a rookie
Speaker 1: in Cowboys history. He's a good player. Won't for this
Speaker 1: unbelievable draft class, you know, we would be talking about
Speaker 1: him a little bit higher. The receivers this year were
Speaker 1: really really good and he's one of them. Yeah, Amber,
Speaker 1: you at all concerned? No, not really, I mean mainly
Speaker 1: because he has given us a lot of great moments
Speaker 1: and to me, those outweigh these bad drops obviously, things
Speaker 1: that need to be addressed and he needs to work on.
Speaker 1: But again, just like Nick mentioned, you gotta remember he's
Speaker 1: still a rookie, and those are things that you know,
Speaker 1: even though it's seem like he should have caught that,
Speaker 1: it can happen. It can happen to veteran guys as well.
Speaker 1: So I'd like to believe that he's gonna get a
Speaker 1: lot better next year and become a lot better, and
Speaker 1: based on the things we've seen from him, he has
Speaker 1: definitely has the capability and the ability to get there.
Speaker 1: So I'm not really worried right now. Dave seventy four
Speaker 1: catches for nine hundred and thirty five yards, you know,
Speaker 1: the catch in Minnesota, the touchdown catch many times, has
Speaker 1: gone over the middle and made great catches while getting blasted. No,
Speaker 1: I mean he has. He's had some mental lapses. I mean,
Speaker 1: and I'm not just completely writing it off. This has
Speaker 1: happened across four or five games. He's got some improving
Speaker 1: to do. But no, I mean, I'm thrilled about CD's upside,
Speaker 1: and he's again I've never I still have not met him.
Speaker 1: I don't know when I will. But from the side,
Speaker 1: he strikes me, Yeah, for sure. Well, he strikes me
Speaker 1: as the type of guy that's going to internalize this
Speaker 1: and use it as fuel to get better in the offseason.
Speaker 1: He just seems like that type of guy. I agree
Speaker 1: with that he is. He is that type of guy.
Speaker 1: I've met him a few times. You know, this stuff
Speaker 1: matters to him. But this talking about him being a rookie,
Speaker 1: he's not a rookie anymore. After the game, pr staff
Speaker 1: comes over, He's like, hey, you know, you want to
Speaker 1: go over and talk to Nick. He's like, nah, I'm good,
Speaker 1: I'll catch you later. Man, I'm good, I'll catch you
Speaker 1: later on the season anymore. All that coming in saying
Speaker 1: yes sir, no, sir, Like that that's gone he's doing
Speaker 1: is a vet. Now. He turned out an interview which
Speaker 1: Delon did the exact same thing. I gotta get you.
Speaker 1: I think many guys necessarily want to talk after that.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't think give us some did yell the coat?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Well, we're gonna get to that. There was
Speaker 1: one guy I know that did talk and actually we
Speaker 1: got a quote we want to talk about from him.
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Speaker 1: When we come back, we got to talk about Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy and the one coaching decision that a lot of
Speaker 1: people are pointing to as the most important moment of
Speaker 1: that game, and it was a decision he decided not
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Speaker 1: in the SWBC Mortgage studios. At the start, we're presented
Speaker 1: by Geico. There was one other moment that I wanted
Speaker 1: to talk to you guys about yesterday. Late in the game,
Speaker 1: Cowboys are down one point. It's twenty nineteen in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter. New York had driven from their twenty and
Speaker 1: gotten all the way to the Dallas thirty two. Donovan
Speaker 1: Wilson gets a sack that moves them back to the
Speaker 1: Dallas forty two, so they got him out of field
Speaker 1: goal range. Then on third and sixteen at the Dallas
Speaker 1: forty two. They complete a past Pettis for ten yards
Speaker 1: that gets them back to the Dallas thirty to an
Speaker 1: interfield goal range. There was a question, though, was that
Speaker 1: a catch or was it not a catch? Regardless of
Speaker 1: how you feel about whether it was a catch, and
Speaker 1: I want to hear from you guys on whether you
Speaker 1: think it was a catch. Do you think it was
Speaker 1: the right decision by Mike McCarthy not to at least
Speaker 1: challenge it and force the referees to take a second look.
Speaker 1: Let's start first with you Amber, Okay, putting aside the
Speaker 1: NFL's inconsistency in what's defined the catch and all this
Speaker 1: that has been talked about for years. Putting that aside
Speaker 1: and looking at the play, I guess I'm not as
Speaker 1: upset as many people are as far as the decision
Speaker 1: because after watching the result of it, in my eyes,
Speaker 1: it was a catch and to me therefore, I'm not
Speaker 1: as upset as to Mike McCarthy not challenging that play
Speaker 1: or not. But if you want to look at it,
Speaker 1: you get what two challenges a game? So why not
Speaker 1: do it? I mean, in a game that's as important
Speaker 1: if there is a slight slight uncertainty with something like that,
Speaker 1: just go ahead and do it. Just go ahead. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is you gotta give it your roll in this game,
Speaker 1: because that's it, that's all you have. So if you're
Speaker 1: looking at it that way, I would have said, yeah,
Speaker 1: go ahead and throw it. And I know, I know
Speaker 1: it's easier said than done because we watch it from
Speaker 1: afar and when you're down there, I'm sure it's a
Speaker 1: lot harder for you to really see exactly what happened
Speaker 1: or have a better clue. But even before the replay,
Speaker 1: I thought it was a catch in my eyes, So
Speaker 1: I can see why Mike McCarthy made the decision as
Speaker 1: to not throw the flag and challenge it Dave, having
Speaker 1: had almost twenty four hours to think about it, I
Speaker 1: will I will say they had all three of their timeouts. Yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: take a look at it if you want to, like,
Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna kill Mike McCarthy for it. And
Speaker 1: I pissed everybody off yesterday because it was a catch.
Speaker 1: I think it was. I don't even I don't see
Speaker 1: what the furreer is about. Pettis had both of his
Speaker 1: hands underneath it, part of the ball hit the ground,
Speaker 1: but did not move at all, like it looked firmly secured,
Speaker 1: and it was ruled a catch on the field, which
Speaker 1: we all know and don't bring up the des thing
Speaker 1: because they've changed the rules significantly since then. If it's
Speaker 1: ruled to catch on the field, you gotta see crazy
Speaker 1: evidence to the contrary to overturn it. So the odds
Speaker 1: that that would have happened, in my opinion, are very slim.
Speaker 1: And then the irony is that it didn't work out
Speaker 1: this way. But this happened with six and a half
Speaker 1: minutes to play in the game, a game that featured
Speaker 1: eleven punts, like nobody was sustaining drives in this game
Speaker 1: at all, So it stands to reason the Cowboys might
Speaker 1: have had to give the Giants the ball back before
Speaker 1: they could have an opportunity to win the game in
Speaker 1: these circumstances, and you want as many timeouts as possible
Speaker 1: if that's the case. So with all of that in mind,
Speaker 1: I don't blame Mike McCarthy for not doing it, and
Speaker 1: that upsets some people, and I don't care because I
Speaker 1: think it was a catch. Nick Yeah, I mean I yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he probably should have challenged you know, you're down,
Speaker 1: he's keeps them out of field goal range. You should challenge.
Speaker 1: You're you're also down, and you know, six minutes to
Speaker 1: go too early to be calling time outs. But I
Speaker 1: mean if you call time out, I mean, if you
Speaker 1: if you burn the challenge and you don't get it,
Speaker 1: and you at least you you know, you're also stopping
Speaker 1: the clock of me. You are down and you're about
Speaker 1: to be down here, you know even more so you
Speaker 1: might you might as well. I mean, I just think
Speaker 1: that you should have. I'm like killing him for it,
Speaker 1: because again I agree, I don't know if it would
Speaker 1: have been over overturned. But it's all hindsight, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just like that's what's so tough about coaching.
Speaker 1: I don't think they should have gone for two, but
Speaker 1: now it's like, well I probably should have, and he
Speaker 1: probably should have challenged it, you know, just based on
Speaker 1: what you know. But but you know what happens if
Speaker 1: the Cowboys act actually stopped them. You know, let's say
Speaker 1: that they after the interception, they don't give up a
Speaker 1: long run, they stop them, they use all three of
Speaker 1: their timeouts, they get the ball back they do you know,
Speaker 1: we would come back and go. Man, if you want
Speaker 1: to challenged that and lost the timeout, the game would
Speaker 1: have been over. So it's it's just the way, you know,
Speaker 1: that's what armchair quarterbacks do. Yeah, you know. One of
Speaker 1: the interesting things is I think I know for a
Speaker 1: fact that Aikman and Buck were saying that they thought
Speaker 1: it was not a catch. And I want to say,
Speaker 1: and I don't know this for fact, Dave and Amber,
Speaker 1: you guys were there with me. Do you recall whether
Speaker 1: they had their their former referee expert come on and
Speaker 1: did he say the same thing, Because yeah, Pereira came
Speaker 1: on and said it that he thought it wasn't a catch, right,
Speaker 1: And that's the reason why I think they should have
Speaker 1: at least challenged because if you have another person who's
Speaker 1: well aware of the rules, understands what referees are looking
Speaker 1: for when they're making calls, if he has doubt and
Speaker 1: he says, hey, I don't think this is a catch,
Speaker 1: then that tells me there's at least a good chance
Speaker 1: that the guy who would be under the hood reviewing
Speaker 1: it might come to the same conclusion. And at that
Speaker 1: point in the game, with everything you got at risk
Speaker 1: there either giving three points or giving no points. I
Speaker 1: think it was worth a shot. And that's where I
Speaker 1: think it's it's probably a better idea for him, And
Speaker 1: I'm I think you kind of use your challenges. I
Speaker 1: think the coach. It's part of the reason why I
Speaker 1: don't like the challenge system. Challenges in the NFL and
Speaker 1: getting it right have become a part of strategy. It
Speaker 1: shouldn't be a part of strategy. It should be about
Speaker 1: just getting it right. But if it's going to be strategy,
Speaker 1: and I think then the coaches have to think about
Speaker 1: it from a strategic standpoint. If you're in a situation
Speaker 1: where overturning a call can make a huge impact in
Speaker 1: the game, and there's at least a small, even a
Speaker 1: small chance that you can get something out of it,
Speaker 1: that's huge, it's worth the risk, is worth the reward
Speaker 1: in that opinion. In my opinion there and so that's
Speaker 1: where I think in that instance, I think Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: made the wrong decision. Now, there's a lot of questions
Speaker 1: about how he came to it. Was he able to
Speaker 1: see it in stadium? Who knows were the people that
Speaker 1: were in the press box who would normally give him
Speaker 1: that information, Were they able to see it. What was
Speaker 1: their assessment, Like, there's a lot of questions that we
Speaker 1: really don't know, but all things being considered based on
Speaker 1: what we know right now, I think he made a
Speaker 1: nill informed decision. I think he should have at least
Speaker 1: tested it and made them rule that what they called
Speaker 1: on the field was correct. We don't know what was
Speaker 1: in his ear. And I mean the NFL teams, you know,
Speaker 1: even in the stadium, you don't have to show a
Speaker 1: replay right then. You do when they get in the hood,
Speaker 1: but not right then, and you can take your time
Speaker 1: showing it. Yeah, yeah it was. If it was on
Speaker 1: our arts, our guy, they're not going to see it
Speaker 1: until they force you to see it. But if it
Speaker 1: was the other way around, well you'll see it sixteen times,
Speaker 1: you know someone that's what they do that. But but
Speaker 1: I don't put it on McCarthy. I put it on
Speaker 1: whoever was in his ear. Yeah, you know. And this
Speaker 1: is this is so freaking annoying because the NFL they
Speaker 1: need to come out with like a very instructional video
Speaker 1: of where they show every possible catch and say catch,
Speaker 1: no catch, because there's no reason why there should be
Speaker 1: such a debate where you have some people right now saying, oh,
Speaker 1: that was in a catch, some people that say that
Speaker 1: it was a catch, when you've got some footage that
Speaker 1: clearly shows what happened there. Because we know that there
Speaker 1: are some places that you can hardly see where the
Speaker 1: ball landed, and there's some confusion there. But when you
Speaker 1: look at the footage, there's clear, it's very clear as
Speaker 1: to what happened. So my problem is why is there
Speaker 1: such a confusion when what you're able to see is
Speaker 1: so clear. Why is there people just debating on whether
Speaker 1: or not it was a catch. Well, that's the thing.
Speaker 1: I don't know that to me, go ahead, go ahead,
Speaker 1: And I was just gonna say, I don't I don't
Speaker 1: know that it was clear. I think it was clear
Speaker 1: for us to see. I don't know if it was
Speaker 1: clear and what happened. What I mean by that is
Speaker 1: like Dave said, he thought he had his hands on
Speaker 1: the ball, and when the ball hit the ground, he
Speaker 1: didn't move at all. When I saw it, I thought
Speaker 1: the ball did move a little bit. I don't think
Speaker 1: he lost control of it. And so that's the part
Speaker 1: where it becomes great. Even though we all see it,
Speaker 1: and we all see the exact same thing. I think
Speaker 1: the interpretation of it can be very great to take
Speaker 1: it out then, and the NFL should take it out.
Speaker 1: I mean, the ball hits the ground, it's it's an
Speaker 1: incomplete make it. I mean that's unfair because I but
Speaker 1: that would make it real clear. It would make it.
Speaker 1: If the ball hits the ground, it's an incomplete pass.
Speaker 1: So I'll tell your quarterback to throw it up right
Speaker 1: or tell your guy that he's got to keep it
Speaker 1: from hitting again. That that would be one way. That's
Speaker 1: how you wind up. That's how you wind up not
Speaker 1: having a das catch it at the goal line. Just
Speaker 1: if you're okay with that, Yeah, well that's literally, I
Speaker 1: mean that's well, I mean that was the wrong call.
Speaker 1: It was. It was the wrong call. I mean, but see,
Speaker 1: and that that issue goes back to a play earlier
Speaker 1: in the game that that I don't even know if
Speaker 1: that was a catch. I mean, I don't even know
Speaker 1: if it was a drop pass as that much as
Speaker 1: it was it was a fumble. Yeah, because you know,
Speaker 1: we've the dead thing. He caught it, he turned it,
Speaker 1: he moved it to the left hand, he cupped it,
Speaker 1: he drove, he extended I mean, catching the ball was
Speaker 1: so yesterday day's news for Daz. He was already thinking
Speaker 1: moving on, and that's what was unfortunate. Same with this,
Speaker 1: the touchdown that the Giants guy had. I mean he
Speaker 1: caught it. He it was diving, he was down. It
Speaker 1: was very similar to the des thing. But they got
Speaker 1: it right because they got it wrong six years ago.
Speaker 1: Do you guys think that that would have I obviously
Speaker 1: Dave and Amber, I think you guys agree that that
Speaker 1: you caught. The right call was made. Nick, did you
Speaker 1: think that was the right call? Yeah, that was a catch.
Speaker 1: I do. At the time, I didn't even know we
Speaker 1: were even. I didn't I'd tell you this. I didn't
Speaker 1: bother to turn around and I had to go and
Speaker 1: find a new replay. I didn't even bother to look
Speaker 1: for that. I was looked like a catch to me
Speaker 1: of the whole time. I was a little surprised afterwards, like,
Speaker 1: oh did he not? So I don't know if it
Speaker 1: would have been overturned. But you know, if Amari Cooper
Speaker 1: makes that catch, everybody's like, yeah, he caught that, like
Speaker 1: cowboy cowboy. Yeah, they're only mad about this because it
Speaker 1: was a Giants player that caught it, yeah, which is
Speaker 1: how it goes most of the time. Right, you give
Speaker 1: if it's your team, you give a little bit more
Speaker 1: difference if it's not your team, and you're like, ah,
Speaker 1: that ball move, you know, so yeah that happened. So
Speaker 1: what happens is is then let's say it's incomplete. They
Speaker 1: pun it to the eight nine yard line. Now you
Speaker 1: just need a field goal, you know, and you have
Speaker 1: a kicker that's really kicking the last time. Unless you
Speaker 1: would have gone to right winning then I don't forget
Speaker 1: John spission next for four two. So I mean, it
Speaker 1: all kind of shakes out here, um, which at the
Speaker 1: end of the day is it's kind of the point
Speaker 1: of all of this, Like we're making a lot of
Speaker 1: these little small moments, but at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: but you just weren't good enough, Like you just weren't
Speaker 1: good enough to win the game. Okay, this is about
Speaker 1: the time we're supposed to end the show. If the
Speaker 1: Cowboys had won the game, this would have been the
Speaker 1: time we would have been starting to talk about the
Speaker 1: game because you you would have gone all anti Philly
Speaker 1: for the first twenty minutes and you know, right, just
Speaker 1: to see but the whole thing. Don't forget this. If Philly,
Speaker 1: if the Cowboys had one, Jalen Hurts wouldn't have probably
Speaker 1: played at all. I mean like I would have been
Speaker 1: more okay with or they would have they would have
Speaker 1: pulled the plug on this thing way before four. Like
Speaker 1: you know, dude, I actually would have been okay if
Speaker 1: they win to this game and said, hey, we're gonna
Speaker 1: start Sudfille. We're just gonna sit Jalen. We don't think
Speaker 1: he's we don't want to play him. We're just gonna
Speaker 1: we're gonna give set Field all the reps this week.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get him ready to play our best effort.
Speaker 1: I would have been more okay with that than playing
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts up until the fourth quarter and you're in
Speaker 1: the game and then saying we're gonna go and start
Speaker 1: put somebody else in, Like that's just that's the part. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's just not good for the game.
Speaker 1: Has never met herm Edwards every even they don't even
Speaker 1: know who each other are. Yesterday was such an insane
Speaker 1: range of emotions because when you wake up, you're like,
Speaker 1: all right, cowboys gotta win, gotta root for Washington to lose,
Speaker 1: gotta make the playoffs. Let's go Cowboys lose, that sucks.
Speaker 1: I guess we actually want Washington to win because that
Speaker 1: helps our draftstre And then by the end of by
Speaker 1: the end of the night, you're like, oh, thank god
Speaker 1: the Cowboys lost, because it would be a nightmare if
Speaker 1: we were faced with this situation had any was winning
Speaker 1: gotten the Cowboys into the playoffs, Like thank Honestly, I
Speaker 1: don't know if I could handle that news cycle. That
Speaker 1: would have been rough. So I would all I mean
Speaker 1: and an unfortunate day. But I guess it worked out.
Speaker 1: And where where did the Cowboys pick if they if
Speaker 1: they would have won, Well, the Giants are picking one
Speaker 1: spot behind him, right, so pick eleven eleven? Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: so if if Washington had lost, I think they would
Speaker 1: pick ten and the Cowboys would pick eleven. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: the Giants would have jumped up to nineteen. Yeah, got it.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it was it. I think it all
Speaker 1: ended as it should, because I know I would have
Speaker 1: broken my TV if if that would happen after the
Speaker 1: Cowboys won, I would have had some feelings about that.
Speaker 1: But anyway, it worked out and we move on to
Speaker 1: the off season and Dave gets to talk to us
Speaker 1: about about the draft for the next four months. All right,
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