WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Game Over 0:00:06.800 --> 0:00:09.319 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:09.360 --> 0:00:21.080 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Let's go. Are you 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:25.239 ready for a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? 0:00:25.360 --> 0:00:29.560 Ready for a break? Yeah? And so much for that. 0:00:29.800 --> 0:00:33.920 It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:41.239 with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:46.159 It is Monday, January fourth, two thousand, twenty one, Season sixteen, 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:48.600 episode number ninety one. Welcome to the latest edition of 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:51.000 The Break. We're presented by Geico. We are live from 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:53.720 the s WBC Mortgage studios at the Star and we're 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:57.240 talking Cowboys football. Cowboys lose their final game of the 0:00:57.280 --> 0:01:00.480 season to the New York Giants twenty three to night team, 0:01:01.160 --> 0:01:03.520 a game that they needed in order to keep themselves 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:07.039 alive until Sunday night. We're gonna talk about all the 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:10.119 things that happened in that game and why Dallas ended 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:12.280 up losing. Before we do, though, we got to talk 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:14.320 a little bit about why it didn't matter at the 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:16.679 end of the day, because as of last night they 0:01:16.720 --> 0:01:19.040 would have needed the Philadelphia Eagles to beat the Washington 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:22.399 football team. That did not happen, and it did not 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:24.560 happen for a bit of a I don't know if 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:26.319 it was a strange reason, but it certainly was a 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:29.000 reason that I didn't really buy much. And we'll talk 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:31.000 about that a little bit. Let's start first, I guess 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:34.240 real quick before we get into the Cowboys game, with 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:38.600 what happened last night and what Philadelphia did. Obviously, into 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:40.840 the fourth quarter, they had Jalen Hurts starting. There were 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:42.840 a lot of their players that were out, most of 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:45.200 them I assume had legitimate injuries, either coming from the 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:48.080 previous game or games before that, but they had Jalen 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:50.640 Hurts playing. They get into the fourth quarter, it is 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:53.000 a ball game, it's less than one score, and they 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:55.960 decide to pull Hurts. Did you have a problem with that? 0:01:56.120 --> 0:02:01.760 Just as an NFL fan and as a Cowboys observer, Nick, Honestly, 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:04.000 I didn't see the first half of the game. I 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:06.280 got in about about half time. By the time, I 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:08.200 didn't really know all what was going on, but I 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:11.840 definitely heard and then I, um, yeah, problem with that, 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:14.320 I mean a problem with with how I mean we 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:16.680 always say it just in life, you know, we use 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:19.079 the joke about coaches and you coach your team I'll 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:21.280 coach my team, okay, And here it is. I mean 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:23.760 here he's coaching his team and he's doing it this way. 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:26.720 But um, you know you're trying to get a better 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:29.320 draft pick. That's what it is. And then you know 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:31.240 you got an assistant coach saying where this is a 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:33.760 no hat game, we're not having a hat. Well, that's 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:36.639 bs you. You're you're passing it out, you know. So 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:39.640 you know, just I think you said it. Just don't 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:42.359 don't insolt our intel just here here by saying it's 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:44.040 one thing when it's not. I mean, you were trying 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:46.400 to lose, you wanted a better draft pick. It is 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:48.120 what it is. Yea, Nay, I know you got a 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:51.799 different opinion on this. What's your thoughts? I do, And 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:55.200 I'm I'm comfortable in the knowledge that you know, maybe 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:58.680 I'm a bad person or a petty sports fan, but uh, 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:01.800 hating your right els is just as fun of a 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:04.760 part of sports as loving your team, in my opinion. 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:07.240 And I'm not going to go as far as to 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:10.919 say I applaud what Philly did, but I don't. I 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:13.240 don't have a problem with it. You know, they had 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:16.600 nothing to gain by winning that game. And it seemed 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:18.240 to me that they wanted to make as many of 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:21.200 their rivals miserable as possible. So you know, they pissed 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:25.160 off the Giants and gave and gave Washington division got 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:27.760 a better draft pick out of it. Probably not the 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:31.320 coolest thing in the world, but I respect the pettiness 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:33.480 of it all. It's what division rivalries are all about. 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:36.000 And I promise you I would feel the same way 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:39.440 if they had done it to the Cowboys. Sorry, I 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:43.680 just it is what it is. And you know, first 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:45.320 of all, don't put your fate in the hands of 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:47.800 another team, and definitely don't put your fate in the 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:50.000 hands of a team that hates your guts. And I 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:53.640 think the Giants learned that last night. Yeah, that's all true, 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:55.640 and I agree with a lot of that. What I 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:58.680 will say, though, is I think it's I think it's 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:01.080 bush league to say something thing different than what you're doing. 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:03.040 If you're gonna be petty, say you're gonna be petty, 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:05.040 like that's a part of the whole thing, Like you 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:08.000 want to do this, and say, hey, we're gonna do this. 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:11.240 Because the NFC shouldn't be trying to win their championships 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:14.280 off of us. Then okay, say that, say I'm not 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:16.120 gonna give you I'm not gonna hand you anything, New 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:18.240 York Giants, or if the Cowboys would have won, I'm 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:20.479 not gonna hand you anything, Dallas Cowboys. I'm okay with 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:22.800 that if you're willing to say it, but don't didn't 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:24.960 come to the press conference and say no, we were 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:27.320 really trying to win. We just decided at the end 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:28.800 of the game that we were gonna pull the guy 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:31.120 that had scored both the scores that we had and 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:33.360 we're gonna put in a guy who has not played 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:36.440 all season to play quarterback and somehow win this game 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:38.279 for us. Like that, to me is is where I 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:39.880 think it was bush League, And I think if you're 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:43.160 gonna be petty, be petty and own your pettiness, right, 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:47.400 I mean I would have I would have applauded it 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:50.360 if Doug Peterson had gone to the podium and been like, yeah, 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:52.520 we are you gonna do about it? But you know 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:55.640 he didn't. That's yeah, I mean, I don't disagree with 0:04:55.680 --> 0:05:00.320 you by just I'm not gonna lose sleep. Well. That's 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:02.520 also the interesting thing. I wonder if if if the 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:05.760 commissioner would have or still might do something about all 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:08.120 this if he thinks that that is not in a 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:10.320 good spirit of the game. Yeah. I mean that's how 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:12.279 you save yourself from me. You say what you what 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:14.320 he said, and he pisses you off and all that, 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:16.719 But you say that so you don't get fined, because 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:19.599 if you come out Mark Cuban and admit that, then 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:22.440 he's then he's getting fine. It's embarrassment to the NFL. 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:24.479 They're the ones that said, hey, we're gonna put this 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:26.920 game on there, this will be a good game. Yeah, 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:28.440 And then all of a sudden, in the middle of 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:31.040 the fourth quarter, Al Michaels is yelling at his producer 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:33.640 like is it Sudfeld or a suit I don't know 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:35.960 who is this guy? You know, when Chris Collinsworth went 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:37.560 in on it too, like they all and that that 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:41.080 was a part of kind of the whole thing. I 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:45.440 will say this, yeah, And I mean everything y'all saying 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:47.479 is valid. It's it's not a good look for the league. 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:49.960 It's not really a good look for the Eagles, even 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:54.599 though I don't care um, but just the nature of 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:56.800 the league and the way that this is all designed. 0:05:57.000 --> 0:05:59.320 I just I have a hard time getting too worked 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:03.120 up about it because it's so hard to wind up 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:05.640 in these situations. Actually, a lot of people have pointed 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:08.920 out this happened five years ago. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:11.920 were fighting for the number one overall pick the year 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:14.760 they draft. They wound up drafting Jamis Winston. They were 0:06:14.839 --> 0:06:17.600 up twenty to seven on the Saints in a meaningless 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:21.320 Week seventeen game, and they pulled like they pulled Mike Evans, 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:23.279 They pulled like three or four of their best players, 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:25.320 and they gave up a thirteen point lead in the 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:27.280 second half to make sure they could draft number one. 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:32.039 Nobody remembers that because this almost never has a chance 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:35.279 to happen. It's an unfortunate set of circumstances where the 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:37.359 league didn't have a great game to choose from in 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:42.359 Week seventeen, which very rarely happens. And I just don't 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:44.880 think this is a trend because it's it's hard to 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:47.680 tank in the NFL because there's too much parody and 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:51.479 single games mean too much. So I think it's a 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:54.040 one off. I bet we won't have to talk about 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:56.240 something like this for another five or six years. Yeah, 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:58.760 I will say this. I don't. I'm not really worked 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:00.400 up about it because at the end of the day, 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:02.880 it wasn't the Cowboys. Cowboys are at already, they were 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:05.239 already out of it. I will tell you this though, 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:07.960 if that game would have been different Cowboys versus Giants, 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:09.280 I think I would have been a little bit more 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:12.160 worked up by it, because obviously that was what you 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:13.840 were looking at, and you saw the Giants players. They 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:16.480 were reacting to it on social media because again they 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:19.120 saw it as their opportunity, and the Eagles were in 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:22.239 the game and they just basically decided in the fourth quarter, 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:25.000 we don't choose to win this game. And I think 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:27.640 that's the part that rolls people wrong. Now, let's jump 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:30.920 into the storylines of the Cowboys game. The Cowboys lose 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:34.440 twenty three to nineteen and or first you up first 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:36.920 to tell me what what what's the big storyline that 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:39.480 you take from this game? Obviously the season's over, But 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:44.440 was there a big storyline that you take from this game? Well, 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:47.400 the season is over, and but this is when the 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:50.320 real work starts. I mean, there's a lot of work 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:55.280 to dude right now, and there should be no days off. 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:58.400 No one deserves a vacation, they should get right into work, 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:01.320 all right, Actually, let me mean a little bit nice 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:04.160 or take a couple of days to let the horrible 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:07.840 season really sink in and reflect on yourself and the 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:10.920 bad things that you did or didn't do this year. 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:14.760 But in reality, there's just so much work. Honestly, since 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:18.080 the time I started working here, I've never felt like 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:21.280 there's so much to be done in an off season 0:08:21.520 --> 0:08:24.200 as I feel right now. And the problem is that 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:27.680 there's not an easy an easy fix. There's not like, oh, 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:30.280 we're just missing this piece. And I know there's a 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:34.440 lot of hope when it comes to Dak Prescott signing 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:36.640 him and then getting some of these guys that were 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:39.800 hurt in the old line back healthy and all that, 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:44.080 but but we have to to keep reality and be aware, 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:47.360 like there's there's just so much more than just getting 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:51.040 some of these guys back into the field healthy. There's 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:53.800 just a lot of things to work on and fix. 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:58.840 So it's gonna be, um, yeah, it's gonna be a busy, 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:02.680 busy off season, and I hope they're able to hopefully 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:04.640 you figure it out this year so that we can 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:08.880 finally have a actually make a run for it all right, Nick, 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:12.880 I thought, you know, the offensive line just got their 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:15.800 ass kicked and and it was that's really where the game, 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:18.959 you know, was lost. Every time they've tried to do anything, 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:22.600 they took a step back in the game, they got sacked. 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:24.079 At the end of the game, they couldn't I mean, 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:27.400 they just the line just couldn't block. And that's you know, 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:29.880 it was just the strength. And that's when we see 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:32.720 teams when they when you face a team that that 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:35.760 is their strength, like Washington. They couldn't even stay on 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:38.400 the field with Washington. And then the Giants, you know, 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:41.280 they not this time around because you know, they didn't 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:43.480 have Zach Martin as they did the first meeting. It 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:47.160 was just it was ugly and everybody was getting killed. 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:49.400 And I look at those five guys and I think, 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:51.839 I don't know if any of these five should be 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:55.559 a starter next year. So that's that's, you know, I 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:58.240 don't agree with everything Amber says about how much work 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:00.319 is to be done. I think this team a lot 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:04.640 closer to competing than, you know, than people think, but 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:07.640 that offensive line is not close and that's got to 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:10.520 get fixed, whether it be bringing the guys back and 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:14.959 then getting better investment on when that things happen, you 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:17.600 got to have better resources than what they had, Dave. 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:22.120 I mean, I think I think Nick is absolutely right. 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:24.560 It's it all stems from the offensive line. But because 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:27.000 of that, it just kind of goes back to a 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:29.520 theme from the season of like they didn't have an 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:32.880 identity yesterday at all, and they haven't had one for 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:36.280 most of the season, and mainly because of the Giants front. 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:39.319 Andy Dalton didn't have time to throw. When he did 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:41.560 have time to throw, he held onto the ball too long. 0:10:42.080 --> 0:10:44.720 None of your three great receivers had more than fifty 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:48.600 yards receiving. Michael Gallup has another bad day after arguably 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:51.560 his best day, So the passing game's not working for 0:10:51.600 --> 0:10:55.520 a variety of reasons. Zeke Elliott averaged three yards per carry, 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:58.800 and like, you know, this wasn't like a situation where 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:00.600 they had to throw their way back into the game. 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:03.600 They pulled it within four points midway through the third quarter, 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:08.160 and the running games still really wasn't part of what 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:09.840 they were trying to do, and probably because they couldn't 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:12.440 get anywhere doing it. You know, they averaged just over 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:16.120 four yards per carry. The I mean, no, just at 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:18.120 four yards per carry. The long run of the day 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:22.960 was probably Andy's fourth down keeper, which was awesome, but 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:25.760 that's not a sign that you're winning in the on 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:28.920 the line of scrimmage. So they, I mean, they just 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:31.559 they couldn't do anything. They're like, they didn't have anything 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:33.400 they could lean on. They didn't have anything they felt 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:37.640 confident about, and that kind of describes the whole year. Yeah, 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:39.760 I think it was. To me, it was a microcosm 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:42.720 of the season. And I think I agree with you Nick, 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:45.760 the biggest problem this team had all season. And I 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:47.880 heard your radio call this morning, I was thinking the 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:50.240 exact same thing. I thought it for several weeks now. 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:52.880 It was not the loss of Dak Prescott. It was 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:55.400 a loss of your two tackles. I think that offensive 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:58.280 line has held later. Yeah, it has held this team 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:01.719 back significantly because they just couldn't do the things that 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:05.000 go to Dave's point, that gave them their identity, like 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:07.080 what they were expecting to be able to be this 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:10.920 year offensively, that all got killed when their offensive line 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:14.240 when they started the season with basically with three guys 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:17.080 that were starters last year not being there for most 0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:19.000 of the season, and then you lost the fourth and 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:21.440 so I agree with you. I don't think that. I 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:23.520 don't think there's a single guy on that offensive line 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:26.160 by the end of this season that I necessarily think 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:30.000 is a great option to start next year. I think, 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:31.839 you know, I do think Connor Williams has been a 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:33.920 little bit better this year than I expected him to 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:35.360 be in a little bit better maybe than he was 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:37.520 last year. I still don't know if it's good enough. 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:39.120 Maybe it's good enough if you have all those other 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:41.920 guys in place. But all that being said, I think 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:44.240 this is just a microcosm of what's happened this season. 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:47.160 This offensive line has not been good enough, and yesterday 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:50.280 Dallas could not stop They could not stop the New 0:12:50.360 --> 0:12:52.920 York Giant defensive front. They were just too good and 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:54.760 they were overpowering. All right, we're gonna take our first back. 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:55.880 When we come back. 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Welcome back to the second segment 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:24.560 of the Break Life in the s WBC Morria Studios. 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:27.040 At the start, we are presented by Geico. We're talking 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:29.200 about the Cowboys loss to the New York Giants to 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:32.200 finish the season. They lose twenty three to nineteen. Let's 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:33.800 get into some of the moments that matter, some of 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:36.000 the finer details of this game. Nick, let's start with you. 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:38.880 What was your moment that mattered in this game? Well, 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:42.560 I'm not saying I actually disagree with the call, but 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:45.320 I think it definitely mattered in hindsight that you know, 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:47.040 you get late in the game like that and you're 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:49.680 expecting to score a little bit more. It's twenty to nine, 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:52.960 they score a touchdown, they decide to kick the extra point. 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:54.760 At the time, I was fine with it. I'm fine 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:58.080 with it now it's twenty to sixteen. You know, you're 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:00.600 you're rolling, you're feeling, you're feeling better about things and 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:02.560 how you're moving the ball, and you expect it, you know, 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:04.680 to not to try to chase points, and as it 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:07.120 turns out, you only got one more field goal and 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:10.200 it's you know, it's twenty to nineteen. And you know, 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:12.640 and then it's twenty three nineteen and you had a 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:15.520 shot at late in the game, you could have been 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:17.440 kicking the field goal had you gone for two. I mean, 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:21.200 I think that moment turned out to matter. Again, I 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:24.480 don't disagree with the call, but you know, if you 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:26.080 would have told me you're only going to score three 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:27.800 more points and they're only gonna get three more points, 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:31.760 then yeah, you definitely do it. Yeah, so that that 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:35.320 proved to matter. But that's just the style that McCarthy 0:16:35.440 --> 0:16:37.040 didn't want to, you know, try to chase the point 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:38.800 if if he didn't get it, one of the one 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:43.160 of the things go ahead. Amber. I was just gonna say, 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:46.240 like I don't have a problem with that like during 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:48.200 the game or whatever. But what I have a problem 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:51.040 with is the logic behind it. If you if we 0:16:51.200 --> 0:16:53.720 go back, I really forgot why game that was earlier 0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:56.800 in the year where we had like why did McCarthy 0:16:56.920 --> 0:16:59.440 try to go for it? And then he explained he's like, well, 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:02.320 I'd rather know earlier on in the game. So it's like, okay, 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:05.840 if that's your your logic behind it all, then then 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:10.040 why not continue with that kind of same reasoning and 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:13.560 do that now like that that's my problem. It's like, Okay, 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:16.639 what what are you really trying to do or like, 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:19.359 what's really your strategy behind it? Don't tell me you 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:22.000 want to you rather find out earlier on and then 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:24.520 in a game like this, you don't go for that. 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:26.960 And and I get that every game is different and 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:29.600 all that, but at the same time, I guess that's 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:33.040 just the part that actually bothers me that we heard 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:35.239 that logic before and then now we don't get to 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:37.680 see it. And then it's like, this is an important game, 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:41.159 so why and so I don't know, But there's a 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:44.200 lot of different If you don't, you don't know. Well, 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:47.320 that game I think was the Falcons game, and there's 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:49.719 five minutes to go and in this case there's twenty 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:53.640 minutes or twenty five minutes to go in the game, 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:56.680 so there's a lot more time. But see the way 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:59.600 they were playing, Yeah, I mean the way they were playing. 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:02.480 I don't disagree really any like a lot of confidence, 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:07.400 Well just just know this, like if if you don't 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:12.240 get it, you're down by five. Okay, they score a touchdown, 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:14.720 and that it comes down to your confidence in the defense. 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:16.480 If the Giants go and score a touchdown, then you 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:19.160 are definitely down by two scores. You're down by two touchdowns. 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:22.679 You're down by twelve. If you keeping it for and 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:27.080 you somehow give up a touchdown, it's eleven. You're still 0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:29.320 you know, you're still kind of in it. You're still 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:32.040 you know. So that's that's kind of why it's like 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:34.520 too early to be chasing points. Just kick and see 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:37.240 what happens. As it turned out, Yeah that he should 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:39.359 have done it, you know, But I don't know if 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:42.359 next year he's gonna change his strategy on that. I 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:44.680 don't know. Yeah, they've all asked you, do you think 0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:48.240 it's It was kind of um interesting that all season. 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:52.840 I think a consistent storyline has been how aggressive this 0:18:52.920 --> 0:18:54.879 coach has been in this play call, I mean, and 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:57.480 all the things that they do special teams when they 0:18:57.480 --> 0:19:00.199 decide to go for it, Like they've been really aggressive thing, 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:02.560 way more aggressive than we've been used to seeing. But 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:05.560 in this game, in this moment, he decides to opt 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:07.760 for just taking the extra point. Does that stand out 0:19:07.760 --> 0:19:09.720 to you as something and did you agree with the call? 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:14.440 I think it kind of goes back to the whole 0:19:14.480 --> 0:19:17.399 like not having an identity thing because I would agree 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:20.560 with you, like overall they've been aggressive, but I don't 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:23.359 know if there's consistency to it. Like I think AG 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:26.960 makes a pretty good point that it can swing wildly 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:29.040 from one game to the next, where it's like, well, 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:31.400 you know, the numbers say we needed to go for two, 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:33.399 and then the next week it's we don't want to 0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:35.840 chase points. Like it doesn't seem like there is a 0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:40.400 just an in like a strict philosophy that guides these 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:42.520 decisions and you know that they're going to be consistent 0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:45.800 from week to week. Me personally, I really didn't have 0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:48.280 a problem with it. I think it's the epitome of 0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:51.080 Monday morning quarterbacking, to be honest with you, because I mean, 0:19:51.359 --> 0:19:54.560 if you miss, if you miss that try and all 0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:57.320 the Giants get as a field goal, now you're down eight, 0:19:57.720 --> 0:19:59.960 and now you're in a situation where probably in the 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:02.719 fourth quarter you're gonna have to score a touchdown and 0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:05.320 go for two just to tie it because of a 0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:09.480 decision that you made. Yeah, I don't like the second 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:12.240 guess those types of calls unless they're just like egregious. 0:20:13.040 --> 0:20:16.240 So I will say it's it's weird that Mike McCarthy's 0:20:16.280 --> 0:20:19.280 not more consistent with his philosophy in my opinion. But 0:20:19.680 --> 0:20:22.360 I didn't hate that decision, you know, very much at all. 0:20:22.480 --> 0:20:24.800 And I agree with what you guys are saying that 0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:29.520 the inconsistency. But that's why I think that analytics can 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:33.080 be useful, but you can't lean on it, and there 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:37.760 are holes in analytics because because you can't, there's just 0:20:37.800 --> 0:20:41.880 not a steady rule that this is how we do things. 0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:43.720 This is not montell Jordan. You can't just say this 0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:46.200 is how we do it all the time because when 0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:48.280 you've got situations like this, well, this is how you 0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:50.199 do it. When you have Tyran Smith and you have 0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:52.000 Zach Martin and you're on the two yard line and 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:53.320 you feel like you can run it in you have 0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:55.280 Dak and a good runner and all that, but two 0:20:55.359 --> 0:20:58.760 yards to this offensive line against that team it seems 0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:02.120 like twenty. So it's different. There's not just a chart 0:21:02.200 --> 0:21:03.960 for that that has asterix and it says, well, what 0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:06.359 if your center sucks? Oh yeah, it says here, don't 0:21:06.400 --> 0:21:07.960 don't go for two if your centers up. I mean, 0:21:08.000 --> 0:21:09.919 I'm not saying Joe Lunis, I'm just saying in general, 0:21:10.359 --> 0:21:13.159 So analytics sounds good, but you have to take it 0:21:13.280 --> 0:21:15.639 case by case, and that's why I think there's inconsistency. 0:21:15.640 --> 0:21:17.640 And I'm not sure, Dave. You might know more about 0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:19.440 this because you get into the analytics world a little 0:21:19.440 --> 0:21:20.879 bit more than I do. But I don't even know 0:21:20.920 --> 0:21:22.840 if the analytics chart said that they should have gone 0:21:22.840 --> 0:21:24.639 forward in that situation. I just think there are a 0:21:24.680 --> 0:21:26.639 lot of people who feel like, hey, you could have 0:21:26.720 --> 0:21:29.440 drawn within three, and at the end of the game, 0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:31.840 three might have mattered, right, But Amber's point is right. 0:21:31.840 --> 0:21:33.680 If you're gonna sit up here and say I need 0:21:33.760 --> 0:21:35.439 all the time I know to need what you know, 0:21:35.480 --> 0:21:36.920 I want to know what I need to do, well, 0:21:36.920 --> 0:21:39.359 then go for together and you know that you need 0:21:39.400 --> 0:21:43.160 a touchdown for sure. All right, let's let's go on, Amber, 0:21:43.320 --> 0:21:48.800 Let's get your moment. That mattered to me. I mean, 0:21:48.840 --> 0:21:51.520 there were many things that led to this point, but 0:21:51.800 --> 0:21:54.600 it was that Dalton interception towards the end of the 0:21:54.680 --> 0:21:59.840 game the Giants, they were twenty three nineteen. It was 0:22:00.000 --> 0:22:02.520 a third and goal. I mean it was like a 0:22:02.640 --> 0:22:05.840 minute and twenty seconds left or something like that in 0:22:05.880 --> 0:22:09.400 the game. And yes, he got he felt the pressure, 0:22:09.400 --> 0:22:11.320 but if you go back and look at the game 0:22:11.840 --> 0:22:14.480 and that play specifically, there was no need for him 0:22:14.520 --> 0:22:16.920 to just throw that ball towards the end zone just 0:22:17.000 --> 0:22:21.560 like that, so careless. And it's one of those things 0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:24.240 that you still had another chance where you could have 0:22:24.640 --> 0:22:27.639 made something happen, just throw it away to the side 0:22:27.720 --> 0:22:30.639 or just hold on to the ball, but there was 0:22:30.680 --> 0:22:33.840 absolutely no need for a quarterback that is a veteran 0:22:33.880 --> 0:22:37.160 guy that has the experience many many years, that knows 0:22:37.240 --> 0:22:40.639 the game, that understands and is aware. And yes, he 0:22:40.760 --> 0:22:44.320 was having a horrible game yesterday, but you just you 0:22:44.359 --> 0:22:47.160 can't at that point. You cannot be making those kinds 0:22:47.200 --> 0:22:52.920 of decisions and mistake. That was absolutely rookie mentality in 0:22:52.960 --> 0:22:55.679 my mind, and it should not have happened, and that 0:22:55.800 --> 0:22:59.760 obviously led to the Cowboys just completely losing that game 0:22:59.760 --> 0:23:03.000 when they actually had their final chance, that was their 0:23:03.040 --> 0:23:06.360 final chance to get some points on there, and they 0:23:06.400 --> 0:23:08.879 didn't because of that decision. Yeah, I think that's a 0:23:08.960 --> 0:23:11.760 good I think you pointed out something really interesting there, Amber, 0:23:11.800 --> 0:23:14.639 because if you look at it, you immediately want to 0:23:14.680 --> 0:23:17.320 think Brandon Knight was the problem, which he was. He 0:23:17.400 --> 0:23:19.280 did he could not block Wood and he couldn't block 0:23:19.280 --> 0:23:21.399 Williams all day. That was a problem for him. But 0:23:21.520 --> 0:23:24.440 you're right, like a veteran quarterback should have known in 0:23:24.480 --> 0:23:27.800 that situation, Hey live to fight another day. Here, get 0:23:27.880 --> 0:23:29.800 rid of the ball, get the ball out, throw it 0:23:29.840 --> 0:23:32.800 to the sideline, do something. There's an opportunity here to 0:23:33.000 --> 0:23:35.159 at least get another play rather than just chunk up 0:23:35.160 --> 0:23:36.520 a prayer into the end zone. I know what he 0:23:36.600 --> 0:23:38.879 was doing. Dalton Schultz was back there. He kind of 0:23:38.920 --> 0:23:40.679 fluttered it out, So I don't know if if the 0:23:40.720 --> 0:23:43.399 ball didn't have enough on it and that was you know, 0:23:43.400 --> 0:23:45.879 I don't know what happened there, But you're right, that 0:23:46.880 --> 0:23:48.919 was probably just as much as fault as it was 0:23:49.320 --> 0:23:52.600 Brian Knight's fault. Dave, give a share your moment that mattered. 0:23:54.320 --> 0:23:57.280 I don't know this for sure. And you know, I 0:23:57.560 --> 0:23:59.280 didn't get to talk to Andy because I was on 0:23:59.320 --> 0:24:02.879 the other telephone line with the other players when he talked. 0:24:02.960 --> 0:24:06.480 But for a veteran quarterback to make a decision like 0:24:06.600 --> 0:24:09.480 that in that situation almost makes me think he thought 0:24:09.480 --> 0:24:13.040 it was fourth down. Honestly, I like it was the 0:24:13.080 --> 0:24:15.879 end of the game, that was the last play. Yeah, 0:24:15.920 --> 0:24:17.880 I can't I can't come up with a reason why 0:24:17.880 --> 0:24:21.480 a veteran quarterback would throw that ball otherwise. H And 0:24:21.520 --> 0:24:25.480 that's that whole sequence. To me, it's all about that. 0:24:25.520 --> 0:24:27.280 And you know, we can talk about the we can 0:24:27.280 --> 0:24:30.680 talk about the challenge controversy, the Dante Pattis catch. I'm 0:24:30.680 --> 0:24:33.560 sure we will. But like for me, it was their 0:24:33.600 --> 0:24:36.760 best drive of the day. Seventeen plays, four minutes. It's 0:24:36.840 --> 0:24:39.800 their longest drive of the day in terms of plays 0:24:40.240 --> 0:24:43.240 and time. You know, you got the Andy keeper on 0:24:43.320 --> 0:24:45.200 fourth down. You do all this great stuff to get 0:24:45.240 --> 0:24:48.880 in position to win the game. One fifty three to play. 0:24:49.359 --> 0:24:52.200 Giants have one time out left, You're on the seven 0:24:52.280 --> 0:24:54.760 yard line, and like, that just might be the worst 0:24:54.840 --> 0:24:59.320 three play sequence I've seen in a long time. And 0:24:59.440 --> 0:25:02.200 you know, you can lame Terrence Steele and Brandon Knight. 0:25:02.760 --> 0:25:05.879 Andy Dalton gets sacked on first down. Why on earth 0:25:05.920 --> 0:25:10.400 are you empty? Why? Why are you not even why 0:25:10.400 --> 0:25:13.160 are you not even going to give the impression that 0:25:13.280 --> 0:25:16.680 Zeke might touch the ball on you know, again, it's 0:25:16.760 --> 0:25:19.480 first down, Giants have one timeout, So like, not only 0:25:19.520 --> 0:25:21.399 are you in position to score, but you have a 0:25:21.480 --> 0:25:24.119 chance to force them to burn timeouts and burn clock like, 0:25:24.160 --> 0:25:27.080 if you do your job very well, you can take 0:25:27.119 --> 0:25:28.960 the lead and give the ball back to the Giants 0:25:28.960 --> 0:25:31.040 with one minute to play and no timeouts. It's a 0:25:31.160 --> 0:25:35.000 very good situation of being You go empty, so nobody's 0:25:35.000 --> 0:25:36.639 even buying that you're going to run the ball with 0:25:36.720 --> 0:25:39.639 your ninety million dollars running back. You get sacked because 0:25:39.680 --> 0:25:42.120 your offensive line has been getting its ass whipped all day. 0:25:42.560 --> 0:25:46.040 But quick Brook quick Dave that they didn't even get 0:25:46.040 --> 0:25:48.399 whipped on that play. They literally just decided we're not 0:25:48.440 --> 0:25:50.720 gonna touch, Like he just ran right by him and 0:25:50.760 --> 0:25:54.520 nobody touched. Yeah, yeah, it was a protection breakdown. I 0:25:54.560 --> 0:25:58.000 get that, and I mean that maybe the play works 0:25:58.000 --> 0:26:00.679 if that doesn't happen, But again, like, why are you empty? 0:26:00.840 --> 0:26:02.760 Why don't you even want somebody to think that you 0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:06.840 might run the ball. And then you know, CD with 0:26:07.040 --> 0:26:10.720 just probably his worst drop of the season given the circumstances, 0:26:11.119 --> 0:26:13.160 and then we already talked about what happened on third down. 0:26:13.160 --> 0:26:15.080 I mean, it was just a total meltdown. If they 0:26:15.160 --> 0:26:19.040 even you know, if they even just charge into the 0:26:19.119 --> 0:26:23.680 line twice and don't gain yards, you're still burning a 0:26:23.760 --> 0:26:25.880 time out, You're still burning clock. And then you got 0:26:25.880 --> 0:26:28.720 two plays to make it happen. I'm not saying it 0:26:28.760 --> 0:26:33.000 would have, but like just a what a colossal failure 0:26:33.119 --> 0:26:35.840 and it cost him the game. Obviously. Let me ask 0:26:35.880 --> 0:26:38.440 you guys this question, And I know this may sound 0:26:38.440 --> 0:26:40.399 like an overreaction, so feel free to say it is 0:26:40.440 --> 0:26:45.360 an overreaction. But are you at all concerned about moments 0:26:45.400 --> 0:26:48.199 when Ceedee Lamb has had drops this season? Because this 0:26:48.240 --> 0:26:51.679 isn't the first time when he's had opportunities and just 0:26:51.760 --> 0:26:54.359 couldn't make the catch, couldn't bring it down, and in 0:26:54.400 --> 0:26:57.920 some instances they weren't tough catches. He just seemed almost 0:26:57.960 --> 0:26:59.880 like he just kind of had a lapse in concentration. 0:27:00.080 --> 0:27:03.919 Are you all concerned about that? Nick? Um? Yeah, I 0:27:03.920 --> 0:27:08.080 mean I think you expect things. You expect rookies to make, 0:27:08.240 --> 0:27:11.320 you know, to have some inconsistent moments, and so he 0:27:11.400 --> 0:27:15.440 had some. Um, this is not a cold weather team, 0:27:16.040 --> 0:27:18.520 that mean at all. I don't know if they're a 0:27:18.520 --> 0:27:20.800 warm weather team either. Like they're just not that good. 0:27:20.840 --> 0:27:22.760 I mean we as we know they're not that good, 0:27:23.240 --> 0:27:26.440 but they seem to make more plays. The passing game 0:27:26.520 --> 0:27:29.920 really struggles, and so it goes back to that first 0:27:29.920 --> 0:27:32.760 Washington game. You need to be able to be a tough, 0:27:32.880 --> 0:27:35.840 grind it out. We're better than you, tougher than you team, 0:27:36.480 --> 0:27:39.480 and doesn't matter what the weather's like. You could run 0:27:39.520 --> 0:27:41.920 the football and do all those things Nate that they 0:27:41.920 --> 0:27:44.080 obviously can't do that, not not in this shape. But 0:27:44.400 --> 0:27:47.120 I mean, I think it's a little it's a little concerning. 0:27:47.160 --> 0:27:49.200 That drop was the I agree with Dave, it's the 0:27:49.240 --> 0:27:52.600 worst one. You know. I don't call a droptail Mary 0:27:52.760 --> 0:27:56.360 really a problem. The Washington game was in the end zone. 0:27:56.400 --> 0:27:58.560 That was a big play. But but this one, yeah, 0:27:58.560 --> 0:28:01.639 I mean we're talking five our line. Maybe, Yeah, I 0:28:01.640 --> 0:28:03.879 mean he might be able to break a tackle and 0:28:03.880 --> 0:28:06.600 get in. You expect he's gonna make it interesting. He 0:28:06.640 --> 0:28:08.280 was definitely gonna make it interesting. He'd be down there 0:28:08.320 --> 0:28:10.280 close enough to where you could actually maybe decided to 0:28:10.320 --> 0:28:12.240 run it on second down. Who knows. He's a really, 0:28:12.280 --> 0:28:14.760 really good wide receiver. He had a really good year, 0:28:14.880 --> 0:28:17.000 had one of the best years ever as a rookie 0:28:17.160 --> 0:28:20.600 in Cowboys history. He's a good player. Won't for this 0:28:20.720 --> 0:28:23.960 unbelievable draft class, you know, we would be talking about 0:28:24.040 --> 0:28:26.440 him a little bit higher. The receivers this year were 0:28:26.520 --> 0:28:28.760 really really good and he's one of them. Yeah, Amber, 0:28:28.800 --> 0:28:34.240 you at all concerned? No, not really, I mean mainly 0:28:34.280 --> 0:28:37.080 because he has given us a lot of great moments 0:28:37.200 --> 0:28:41.200 and to me, those outweigh these bad drops obviously, things 0:28:41.200 --> 0:28:43.320 that need to be addressed and he needs to work on. 0:28:43.560 --> 0:28:46.400 But again, just like Nick mentioned, you gotta remember he's 0:28:46.400 --> 0:28:49.120 still a rookie, and those are things that you know, 0:28:49.200 --> 0:28:51.400 even though it's seem like he should have caught that, 0:28:52.000 --> 0:28:54.680 it can happen. It can happen to veteran guys as well. 0:28:54.800 --> 0:28:58.320 So I'd like to believe that he's gonna get a 0:28:58.320 --> 0:29:00.760 lot better next year and become a lot better, and 0:29:01.040 --> 0:29:03.440 based on the things we've seen from him, he has 0:29:03.920 --> 0:29:08.320 definitely has the capability and the ability to get there. 0:29:08.400 --> 0:29:13.280 So I'm not really worried right now. Dave seventy four 0:29:13.400 --> 0:29:16.080 catches for nine hundred and thirty five yards, you know, 0:29:16.200 --> 0:29:20.520 the catch in Minnesota, the touchdown catch many times, has 0:29:20.560 --> 0:29:24.520 gone over the middle and made great catches while getting blasted. No, 0:29:24.800 --> 0:29:27.600 I mean he has. He's had some mental lapses. I mean, 0:29:27.800 --> 0:29:30.240 and I'm not just completely writing it off. This has 0:29:30.240 --> 0:29:33.680 happened across four or five games. He's got some improving 0:29:33.720 --> 0:29:37.240 to do. But no, I mean, I'm thrilled about CD's upside, 0:29:37.320 --> 0:29:40.760 and he's again I've never I still have not met him. 0:29:40.800 --> 0:29:43.920 I don't know when I will. But from the side, 0:29:44.160 --> 0:29:47.880 he strikes me, Yeah, for sure. Well, he strikes me 0:29:47.920 --> 0:29:51.400 as the type of guy that's going to internalize this 0:29:51.480 --> 0:29:54.800 and use it as fuel to get better in the offseason. 0:29:55.160 --> 0:29:57.120 He just seems like that type of guy. I agree 0:29:57.120 --> 0:29:58.880 with that he is. He is that type of guy. 0:29:59.120 --> 0:30:01.560 I've met him a few times. You know, this stuff 0:30:01.640 --> 0:30:04.440 matters to him. But this talking about him being a rookie, 0:30:04.480 --> 0:30:08.240 he's not a rookie anymore. After the game, pr staff 0:30:08.240 --> 0:30:09.840 comes over, He's like, hey, you know, you want to 0:30:09.880 --> 0:30:11.600 go over and talk to Nick. He's like, nah, I'm good, 0:30:11.640 --> 0:30:13.440 I'll catch you later. Man, I'm good, I'll catch you 0:30:13.720 --> 0:30:17.720 later on the season anymore. All that coming in saying 0:30:17.800 --> 0:30:20.280 yes sir, no, sir, Like that that's gone he's doing 0:30:21.120 --> 0:30:24.040 is a vet. Now. He turned out an interview which 0:30:24.160 --> 0:30:26.200 Delon did the exact same thing. I gotta get you. 0:30:26.240 --> 0:30:28.480 I think many guys necessarily want to talk after that. 0:30:28.520 --> 0:30:31.760 I wouldn't think give us some did yell the coat? 0:30:32.680 --> 0:30:34.520 Oh yeah, Well, we're gonna get to that. 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Yeah, 0:33:14.920 --> 0:33:17.760 don't miss the new episode of season fifteen every Tuesday 0:33:17.840 --> 0:33:21.680 night at nine pm Central on CMT. That is DCC 0:33:22.040 --> 0:33:25.040 making the team though, that's consistency fifteen years in a row. 0:33:25.080 --> 0:33:27.360 We go all right, Final segment of The Break live 0:33:27.400 --> 0:33:29.920 in the SWBC Mortgage studios. At the start, we're presented 0:33:29.960 --> 0:33:33.240 by Geico. There was one other moment that I wanted 0:33:33.280 --> 0:33:35.560 to talk to you guys about yesterday. Late in the game, 0:33:35.640 --> 0:33:39.880 Cowboys are down one point. It's twenty nineteen in the 0:33:39.960 --> 0:33:43.680 fourth quarter. New York had driven from their twenty and 0:33:43.720 --> 0:33:46.360 gotten all the way to the Dallas thirty two. Donovan 0:33:46.440 --> 0:33:49.280 Wilson gets a sack that moves them back to the 0:33:49.360 --> 0:33:51.360 Dallas forty two, so they got him out of field 0:33:51.400 --> 0:33:54.120 goal range. Then on third and sixteen at the Dallas 0:33:54.200 --> 0:33:57.840 forty two. They complete a past Pettis for ten yards 0:33:58.000 --> 0:34:00.320 that gets them back to the Dallas thirty to an 0:34:00.320 --> 0:34:04.040 interfield goal range. There was a question, though, was that 0:34:04.120 --> 0:34:06.920 a catch or was it not a catch? Regardless of 0:34:06.960 --> 0:34:08.640 how you feel about whether it was a catch, and 0:34:08.680 --> 0:34:09.920 I want to hear from you guys on whether you 0:34:09.960 --> 0:34:11.200 think it was a catch. Do you think it was 0:34:11.239 --> 0:34:13.919 the right decision by Mike McCarthy not to at least 0:34:14.000 --> 0:34:16.799 challenge it and force the referees to take a second look. 0:34:16.960 --> 0:34:22.040 Let's start first with you Amber, Okay, putting aside the 0:34:22.680 --> 0:34:28.279 NFL's inconsistency in what's defined the catch and all this 0:34:28.480 --> 0:34:31.920 that has been talked about for years. Putting that aside 0:34:32.120 --> 0:34:34.799 and looking at the play, I guess I'm not as 0:34:34.960 --> 0:34:38.800 upset as many people are as far as the decision 0:34:38.840 --> 0:34:41.560 because after watching the result of it, in my eyes, 0:34:41.680 --> 0:34:44.440 it was a catch and to me therefore, I'm not 0:34:44.800 --> 0:34:48.439 as upset as to Mike McCarthy not challenging that play 0:34:48.560 --> 0:34:50.279 or not. But if you want to look at it, 0:34:50.360 --> 0:34:55.520 you get what two challenges a game? So why not 0:34:55.719 --> 0:34:58.880 do it? I mean, in a game that's as important 0:34:58.920 --> 0:35:04.279 if there is a slight slight uncertainty with something like that, 0:35:04.440 --> 0:35:06.719 just go ahead and do it. Just go ahead. I mean, 0:35:06.920 --> 0:35:09.160 this is you gotta give it your roll in this game, 0:35:09.239 --> 0:35:11.879 because that's it, that's all you have. So if you're 0:35:11.880 --> 0:35:14.520 looking at it that way, I would have said, yeah, 0:35:14.560 --> 0:35:16.680 go ahead and throw it. And I know, I know 0:35:16.760 --> 0:35:19.680 it's easier said than done because we watch it from 0:35:19.719 --> 0:35:22.360 afar and when you're down there, I'm sure it's a 0:35:22.400 --> 0:35:26.200 lot harder for you to really see exactly what happened 0:35:26.320 --> 0:35:29.800 or have a better clue. But even before the replay, 0:35:29.880 --> 0:35:31.960 I thought it was a catch in my eyes, So 0:35:32.400 --> 0:35:35.399 I can see why Mike McCarthy made the decision as 0:35:35.440 --> 0:35:42.120 to not throw the flag and challenge it Dave, having 0:35:42.200 --> 0:35:45.040 had almost twenty four hours to think about it, I 0:35:45.080 --> 0:35:50.280 will I will say they had all three of their timeouts. Yeah, sure, 0:35:51.000 --> 0:35:52.560 take a look at it if you want to, like, 0:35:52.760 --> 0:35:55.040 but I'm not gonna kill Mike McCarthy for it. And 0:35:55.080 --> 0:35:58.440 I pissed everybody off yesterday because it was a catch. 0:35:58.680 --> 0:36:01.720 I think it was. I don't even I don't see 0:36:01.760 --> 0:36:04.480 what the furreer is about. Pettis had both of his 0:36:04.520 --> 0:36:07.440 hands underneath it, part of the ball hit the ground, 0:36:07.520 --> 0:36:11.400 but did not move at all, like it looked firmly secured, 0:36:11.640 --> 0:36:15.239 and it was ruled a catch on the field, which 0:36:15.280 --> 0:36:17.839 we all know and don't bring up the des thing 0:36:17.920 --> 0:36:21.960 because they've changed the rules significantly since then. If it's 0:36:22.040 --> 0:36:24.800 ruled to catch on the field, you gotta see crazy 0:36:25.040 --> 0:36:29.120 evidence to the contrary to overturn it. So the odds 0:36:29.120 --> 0:36:32.240 that that would have happened, in my opinion, are very slim. 0:36:32.280 --> 0:36:34.600 And then the irony is that it didn't work out 0:36:34.640 --> 0:36:37.719 this way. But this happened with six and a half 0:36:37.800 --> 0:36:40.560 minutes to play in the game, a game that featured 0:36:40.600 --> 0:36:44.680 eleven punts, like nobody was sustaining drives in this game 0:36:44.719 --> 0:36:48.120 at all, So it stands to reason the Cowboys might 0:36:48.160 --> 0:36:50.000 have had to give the Giants the ball back before 0:36:50.000 --> 0:36:52.480 they could have an opportunity to win the game in 0:36:52.520 --> 0:36:56.000 these circumstances, and you want as many timeouts as possible 0:36:56.080 --> 0:36:58.680 if that's the case. So with all of that in mind, 0:36:59.320 --> 0:37:01.640 I don't blame Mike McCarthy for not doing it, and 0:37:01.920 --> 0:37:04.160 that upsets some people, and I don't care because I 0:37:04.239 --> 0:37:08.960 think it was a catch. Nick Yeah, I mean I yeah, 0:37:09.000 --> 0:37:11.759 I think he probably should have challenged you know, you're down, 0:37:12.040 --> 0:37:15.000 he's keeps them out of field goal range. You should challenge. 0:37:15.360 --> 0:37:18.960 You're you're also down, and you know, six minutes to 0:37:18.960 --> 0:37:21.920 go too early to be calling time outs. But I 0:37:21.920 --> 0:37:23.400 mean if you call time out, I mean, if you 0:37:23.440 --> 0:37:25.440 if you burn the challenge and you don't get it, 0:37:25.480 --> 0:37:27.480 and you at least you you know, you're also stopping 0:37:27.480 --> 0:37:29.040 the clock of me. You are down and you're about 0:37:29.040 --> 0:37:31.160 to be down here, you know even more so you 0:37:31.239 --> 0:37:33.520 might you might as well. I mean, I just think 0:37:33.560 --> 0:37:37.000 that you should have. I'm like killing him for it, 0:37:37.239 --> 0:37:38.960 because again I agree, I don't know if it would 0:37:38.960 --> 0:37:42.000 have been over overturned. But it's all hindsight, you know, 0:37:42.440 --> 0:37:46.040 you know, it's just like that's what's so tough about coaching. 0:37:46.440 --> 0:37:48.680 I don't think they should have gone for two, but 0:37:48.880 --> 0:37:51.239 now it's like, well I probably should have, and he 0:37:51.280 --> 0:37:53.480 probably should have challenged it, you know, just based on 0:37:54.800 --> 0:37:58.160 what you know. But but you know what happens if 0:37:59.120 --> 0:38:02.080 the Cowboys act actually stopped them. You know, let's say 0:38:02.080 --> 0:38:04.960 that they after the interception, they don't give up a 0:38:04.960 --> 0:38:07.200 long run, they stop them, they use all three of 0:38:07.239 --> 0:38:09.120 their timeouts, they get the ball back they do you know, 0:38:09.280 --> 0:38:11.160 we would come back and go. Man, if you want 0:38:11.160 --> 0:38:13.160 to challenged that and lost the timeout, the game would 0:38:13.200 --> 0:38:16.000 have been over. So it's it's just the way, you know, 0:38:16.080 --> 0:38:18.319 that's what armchair quarterbacks do. Yeah, you know. One of 0:38:18.320 --> 0:38:20.839 the interesting things is I think I know for a 0:38:20.840 --> 0:38:24.640 fact that Aikman and Buck were saying that they thought 0:38:24.680 --> 0:38:26.359 it was not a catch. And I want to say, 0:38:26.360 --> 0:38:28.360 and I don't know this for fact, Dave and Amber, 0:38:28.600 --> 0:38:31.280 you guys were there with me. Do you recall whether 0:38:31.320 --> 0:38:35.319 they had their their former referee expert come on and 0:38:35.360 --> 0:38:38.759 did he say the same thing, Because yeah, Pereira came 0:38:38.800 --> 0:38:41.000 on and said it that he thought it wasn't a catch, right, 0:38:41.040 --> 0:38:44.000 And that's the reason why I think they should have 0:38:44.000 --> 0:38:46.440 at least challenged because if you have another person who's 0:38:46.480 --> 0:38:49.920 well aware of the rules, understands what referees are looking 0:38:49.960 --> 0:38:53.359 for when they're making calls, if he has doubt and 0:38:53.400 --> 0:38:55.240 he says, hey, I don't think this is a catch, 0:38:55.680 --> 0:38:58.920 then that tells me there's at least a good chance 0:38:59.040 --> 0:39:00.920 that the guy who would be under the hood reviewing 0:39:00.960 --> 0:39:03.359 it might come to the same conclusion. And at that 0:39:03.440 --> 0:39:06.200 point in the game, with everything you got at risk 0:39:06.280 --> 0:39:09.400 there either giving three points or giving no points. I 0:39:09.440 --> 0:39:11.200 think it was worth a shot. And that's where I 0:39:11.239 --> 0:39:14.920 think it's it's probably a better idea for him, And 0:39:14.960 --> 0:39:17.560 I'm I think you kind of use your challenges. I 0:39:17.600 --> 0:39:19.000 think the coach. It's part of the reason why I 0:39:19.000 --> 0:39:22.000 don't like the challenge system. Challenges in the NFL and 0:39:22.040 --> 0:39:24.160 getting it right have become a part of strategy. It 0:39:24.160 --> 0:39:26.040 shouldn't be a part of strategy. It should be about 0:39:26.080 --> 0:39:28.640 just getting it right. But if it's going to be strategy, 0:39:28.640 --> 0:39:30.480 and I think then the coaches have to think about 0:39:30.520 --> 0:39:33.640 it from a strategic standpoint. If you're in a situation 0:39:34.000 --> 0:39:36.640 where overturning a call can make a huge impact in 0:39:36.680 --> 0:39:38.719 the game, and there's at least a small, even a 0:39:38.760 --> 0:39:41.360 small chance that you can get something out of it, 0:39:41.440 --> 0:39:44.040 that's huge, it's worth the risk, is worth the reward 0:39:44.080 --> 0:39:46.160 in that opinion. In my opinion there and so that's 0:39:46.200 --> 0:39:48.720 where I think in that instance, I think Mike McCarthy 0:39:48.760 --> 0:39:50.880 made the wrong decision. Now, there's a lot of questions 0:39:50.920 --> 0:39:53.080 about how he came to it. Was he able to 0:39:53.080 --> 0:39:55.799 see it in stadium? Who knows were the people that 0:39:55.880 --> 0:39:57.880 were in the press box who would normally give him 0:39:57.920 --> 0:39:59.920 that information, Were they able to see it. What was 0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:02.080 their assessment, Like, there's a lot of questions that we 0:40:02.120 --> 0:40:05.680 really don't know, but all things being considered based on 0:40:05.760 --> 0:40:08.560 what we know right now, I think he made a 0:40:08.719 --> 0:40:10.799 nill informed decision. I think he should have at least 0:40:11.080 --> 0:40:13.919 tested it and made them rule that what they called 0:40:13.960 --> 0:40:15.680 on the field was correct. We don't know what was 0:40:15.719 --> 0:40:19.600 in his ear. And I mean the NFL teams, you know, 0:40:19.880 --> 0:40:21.440 even in the stadium, you don't have to show a 0:40:21.520 --> 0:40:24.799 replay right then. You do when they get in the hood, 0:40:25.120 --> 0:40:27.000 but not right then, and you can take your time 0:40:27.239 --> 0:40:29.880 showing it. Yeah, yeah it was. If it was on 0:40:29.920 --> 0:40:32.120 our arts, our guy, they're not going to see it 0:40:32.200 --> 0:40:34.120 until they force you to see it. But if it 0:40:34.160 --> 0:40:36.520 was the other way around, well you'll see it sixteen times, 0:40:36.600 --> 0:40:39.040 you know someone that's what they do that. But but 0:40:39.400 --> 0:40:41.680 I don't put it on McCarthy. I put it on 0:40:41.719 --> 0:40:44.920 whoever was in his ear. Yeah, you know. And this 0:40:45.080 --> 0:40:50.279 is this is so freaking annoying because the NFL they 0:40:50.320 --> 0:40:53.360 need to come out with like a very instructional video 0:40:53.440 --> 0:40:56.960 of where they show every possible catch and say catch, 0:40:57.400 --> 0:41:01.080 no catch, because there's no reason why there should be 0:41:01.160 --> 0:41:03.839 such a debate where you have some people right now saying, oh, 0:41:03.880 --> 0:41:05.360 that was in a catch, some people that say that 0:41:05.400 --> 0:41:08.640 it was a catch, when you've got some footage that 0:41:08.800 --> 0:41:12.359 clearly shows what happened there. Because we know that there 0:41:12.360 --> 0:41:14.440 are some places that you can hardly see where the 0:41:14.520 --> 0:41:17.759 ball landed, and there's some confusion there. But when you 0:41:17.880 --> 0:41:21.520 look at the footage, there's clear, it's very clear as 0:41:21.520 --> 0:41:24.600 to what happened. So my problem is why is there 0:41:24.680 --> 0:41:28.759 such a confusion when what you're able to see is 0:41:28.840 --> 0:41:33.719 so clear. Why is there people just debating on whether 0:41:33.840 --> 0:41:35.400 or not it was a catch. Well, that's the thing. 0:41:35.520 --> 0:41:38.560 I don't know that to me, go ahead, go ahead, 0:41:38.719 --> 0:41:40.040 And I was just gonna say, I don't I don't 0:41:40.040 --> 0:41:41.600 know that it was clear. I think it was clear 0:41:41.600 --> 0:41:43.520 for us to see. I don't know if it was 0:41:43.640 --> 0:41:46.000 clear and what happened. What I mean by that is 0:41:46.280 --> 0:41:48.960 like Dave said, he thought he had his hands on 0:41:48.960 --> 0:41:50.480 the ball, and when the ball hit the ground, he 0:41:50.480 --> 0:41:52.799 didn't move at all. When I saw it, I thought 0:41:52.840 --> 0:41:54.759 the ball did move a little bit. I don't think 0:41:54.760 --> 0:41:57.279 he lost control of it. And so that's the part 0:41:57.360 --> 0:41:59.920 where it becomes great. Even though we all see it, 0:42:00.000 --> 0:42:02.239 and we all see the exact same thing. I think 0:42:02.239 --> 0:42:04.520 the interpretation of it can be very great to take 0:42:04.560 --> 0:42:06.600 it out then, and the NFL should take it out. 0:42:06.719 --> 0:42:08.799 I mean, the ball hits the ground, it's it's an 0:42:08.840 --> 0:42:12.120 incomplete make it. I mean that's unfair because I but 0:42:12.239 --> 0:42:13.719 that would make it real clear. It would make it. 0:42:13.880 --> 0:42:15.680 If the ball hits the ground, it's an incomplete pass. 0:42:15.680 --> 0:42:17.480 So I'll tell your quarterback to throw it up right 0:42:17.640 --> 0:42:19.200 or tell your guy that he's got to keep it 0:42:19.239 --> 0:42:22.040 from hitting again. That that would be one way. That's 0:42:22.040 --> 0:42:24.480 how you wind up. That's how you wind up not 0:42:24.840 --> 0:42:26.920 having a das catch it at the goal line. Just 0:42:27.080 --> 0:42:30.480 if you're okay with that, Yeah, well that's literally, I 0:42:30.520 --> 0:42:34.439 mean that's well, I mean that was the wrong call. 0:42:34.560 --> 0:42:36.840 It was. It was the wrong call. I mean, but see, 0:42:37.080 --> 0:42:40.840 and that that issue goes back to a play earlier 0:42:40.880 --> 0:42:43.640 in the game that that I don't even know if 0:42:43.640 --> 0:42:45.160 that was a catch. I mean, I don't even know 0:42:45.160 --> 0:42:46.680 if it was a drop pass as that much as 0:42:46.719 --> 0:42:49.719 it was it was a fumble. Yeah, because you know, 0:42:50.200 --> 0:42:53.680 we've the dead thing. He caught it, he turned it, 0:42:53.760 --> 0:42:55.960 he moved it to the left hand, he cupped it, 0:42:56.000 --> 0:42:58.840 he drove, he extended I mean, catching the ball was 0:42:58.920 --> 0:43:02.160 so yesterday day's news for Daz. He was already thinking 0:43:02.239 --> 0:43:04.600 moving on, and that's what was unfortunate. Same with this, 0:43:04.880 --> 0:43:06.759 the touchdown that the Giants guy had. I mean he 0:43:06.800 --> 0:43:09.400 caught it. He it was diving, he was down. It 0:43:09.480 --> 0:43:12.080 was very similar to the des thing. But they got 0:43:12.120 --> 0:43:15.239 it right because they got it wrong six years ago. 0:43:15.760 --> 0:43:18.320 Do you guys think that that would have I obviously 0:43:18.440 --> 0:43:20.560 Dave and Amber, I think you guys agree that that 0:43:20.640 --> 0:43:22.640 you caught. The right call was made. Nick, did you 0:43:22.640 --> 0:43:27.000 think that was the right call? Yeah, that was a catch. 0:43:27.160 --> 0:43:29.040 I do. At the time, I didn't even know we 0:43:29.080 --> 0:43:32.040 were even. I didn't I'd tell you this. I didn't 0:43:32.040 --> 0:43:34.279 bother to turn around and I had to go and 0:43:34.320 --> 0:43:36.600 find a new replay. I didn't even bother to look 0:43:36.680 --> 0:43:38.600 for that. I was looked like a catch to me 0:43:38.680 --> 0:43:41.279 of the whole time. I was a little surprised afterwards, like, 0:43:41.320 --> 0:43:43.640 oh did he not? So I don't know if it 0:43:43.680 --> 0:43:47.200 would have been overturned. But you know, if Amari Cooper 0:43:47.239 --> 0:43:50.040 makes that catch, everybody's like, yeah, he caught that, like 0:43:50.280 --> 0:43:52.840 cowboy cowboy. Yeah, they're only mad about this because it 0:43:52.960 --> 0:43:55.160 was a Giants player that caught it, yeah, which is 0:43:55.160 --> 0:43:56.640 how it goes most of the time. Right, you give 0:43:56.840 --> 0:43:58.799 if it's your team, you give a little bit more 0:43:58.880 --> 0:44:01.000 difference if it's not your team, and you're like, ah, 0:44:01.120 --> 0:44:03.760 that ball move, you know, so yeah that happened. So 0:44:04.000 --> 0:44:06.359 what happens is is then let's say it's incomplete. They 0:44:06.400 --> 0:44:10.239 pun it to the eight nine yard line. Now you 0:44:10.280 --> 0:44:11.719 just need a field goal, you know, and you have 0:44:11.760 --> 0:44:15.239 a kicker that's really kicking the last time. Unless you 0:44:15.239 --> 0:44:18.879 would have gone to right winning then I don't forget 0:44:18.920 --> 0:44:20.840 John spission next for four two. So I mean, it 0:44:20.920 --> 0:44:24.120 all kind of shakes out here, um, which at the 0:44:24.160 --> 0:44:25.640 end of the day is it's kind of the point 0:44:25.640 --> 0:44:27.719 of all of this, Like we're making a lot of 0:44:27.719 --> 0:44:30.400 these little small moments, but at the end of the day, 0:44:30.680 --> 0:44:32.880 but you just weren't good enough, Like you just weren't 0:44:32.880 --> 0:44:35.080 good enough to win the game. Okay, this is about 0:44:35.080 --> 0:44:36.920 the time we're supposed to end the show. If the 0:44:36.960 --> 0:44:39.560 Cowboys had won the game, this would have been the 0:44:39.600 --> 0:44:41.480 time we would have been starting to talk about the 0:44:41.480 --> 0:44:44.920 game because you you would have gone all anti Philly 0:44:45.080 --> 0:44:48.200 for the first twenty minutes and you know, right, just 0:44:48.239 --> 0:44:51.080 to see but the whole thing. Don't forget this. If Philly, 0:44:51.160 --> 0:44:54.040 if the Cowboys had one, Jalen Hurts wouldn't have probably 0:44:54.080 --> 0:44:56.520 played at all. I mean like I would have been 0:44:56.560 --> 0:44:58.400 more okay with or they would have they would have 0:44:58.400 --> 0:45:00.400 pulled the plug on this thing way before four. Like 0:45:00.880 --> 0:45:03.319 you know, dude, I actually would have been okay if 0:45:03.320 --> 0:45:05.480 they win to this game and said, hey, we're gonna 0:45:05.520 --> 0:45:08.200 start Sudfille. We're just gonna sit Jalen. We don't think 0:45:08.200 --> 0:45:10.320 he's we don't want to play him. We're just gonna 0:45:10.400 --> 0:45:12.399 we're gonna give set Field all the reps this week. 0:45:12.400 --> 0:45:15.000 We're gonna get him ready to play our best effort. 0:45:15.000 --> 0:45:17.600 I would have been more okay with that than playing 0:45:17.680 --> 0:45:20.239 Jalen Hurts up until the fourth quarter and you're in 0:45:20.280 --> 0:45:23.040 the game and then saying we're gonna go and start 0:45:23.040 --> 0:45:25.279 put somebody else in, Like that's just that's the part. Yeah, 0:45:25.280 --> 0:45:26.719 I don't think it's just not good for the game. 0:45:26.760 --> 0:45:29.879 Has never met herm Edwards every even they don't even 0:45:29.920 --> 0:45:34.080 know who each other are. Yesterday was such an insane 0:45:34.280 --> 0:45:38.640 range of emotions because when you wake up, you're like, 0:45:38.680 --> 0:45:41.560 all right, cowboys gotta win, gotta root for Washington to lose, 0:45:41.680 --> 0:45:45.680 gotta make the playoffs. Let's go Cowboys lose, that sucks. 0:45:46.400 --> 0:45:48.799 I guess we actually want Washington to win because that 0:45:48.880 --> 0:45:51.680 helps our draftstre And then by the end of by 0:45:51.680 --> 0:45:53.719 the end of the night, you're like, oh, thank god 0:45:53.760 --> 0:45:57.000 the Cowboys lost, because it would be a nightmare if 0:45:57.040 --> 0:46:00.439 we were faced with this situation had any was winning 0:46:00.480 --> 0:46:04.279 gotten the Cowboys into the playoffs, Like thank Honestly, I 0:46:04.320 --> 0:46:07.239 don't know if I could handle that news cycle. That 0:46:07.239 --> 0:46:10.680 would have been rough. So I would all I mean 0:46:10.360 --> 0:46:13.000 and an unfortunate day. But I guess it worked out. 0:46:13.040 --> 0:46:15.600 And where where did the Cowboys pick if they if 0:46:15.600 --> 0:46:19.480 they would have won, Well, the Giants are picking one 0:46:19.480 --> 0:46:24.200 spot behind him, right, so pick eleven eleven? Yeah, Well, 0:46:24.280 --> 0:46:28.319 so if if Washington had lost, I think they would 0:46:28.400 --> 0:46:31.360 pick ten and the Cowboys would pick eleven. Yeah, and 0:46:31.400 --> 0:46:35.840 the Giants would have jumped up to nineteen. Yeah, got it. 0:46:35.360 --> 0:46:37.160 I don't know, it was it. I think it all 0:46:37.280 --> 0:46:39.160 ended as it should, because I know I would have 0:46:39.239 --> 0:46:41.759 broken my TV if if that would happen after the 0:46:41.760 --> 0:46:44.080 Cowboys won, I would have had some feelings about that. 0:46:44.120 --> 0:46:46.799 But anyway, it worked out and we move on to 0:46:46.840 --> 0:46:48.960 the off season and Dave gets to talk to us 0:46:49.080 --> 0:46:51.799 about about the draft for the next four months. All right, 0:46:51.800 --> 0:46:53.680 so we appreciate you guys, Joannus, we'll be back. Actually, 0:46:53.680 --> 0:46:55.600 we're starting our off season schedule, so we're gonna be 0:46:55.640 --> 0:46:58.520 on Wednesdays. 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