WEBVTT - A Relatively Timely Podcast

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<v Speaker 1>Brought to you by Toyota. Let's go places. Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>forward Thinking. Welcome to forward Thinking. Everybody, it's time for

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<v Speaker 1>another podcast. My name is Jonathan Strickland, and I am

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<v Speaker 1>joined by Lauren Vock Obama, who is shaking her head

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<v Speaker 1>at you, and Joe McCormick, who I made some horrible

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<v Speaker 1>noise when you never mind. All right, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I make a time joke. They both grown. Because we

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<v Speaker 1>are talking about time today, and we're talking about time

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<v Speaker 1>and relativity and sort of the challenges that we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to have in keeping time in the future. And you

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<v Speaker 1>might think, well, the thought we'd got pretty good at

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<v Speaker 1>keeping time by now. I mean, we've got a long

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<v Speaker 1>history of keeping time, centuries of keeping time, and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's true. We have gotten very good at keeping

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<v Speaker 1>local time, particularly things like, oh, I don't know, making

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<v Speaker 1>sure that we are seconds match up every single second

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<v Speaker 1>of the day, like, for instance, the quantum clock, which

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<v Speaker 1>is keeping time so accurately that it won't lose a

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<v Speaker 1>second for three point seven billion years, as opposed to

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<v Speaker 1>the old standard, which is one second every hundred million years,

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<v Speaker 1>which is just you know, acceptable. We can't live like that, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But but so so from a local perspective, we are

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<v Speaker 1>very good at keeping time. But that local perspective is

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<v Speaker 1>all based on the fact that we're all pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>stuck here on this big old rock we call the Earth,

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<v Speaker 1>traveling around the Sun together, more or less moving at

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<v Speaker 1>the same speed, although depending upon where you want are

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<v Speaker 1>on Earth, that actually changes just a little bit. But

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<v Speaker 1>it turns out that time is not something that's universally standard, right, Joe,

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<v Speaker 1>what I didn't know this was news to you. You

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<v Speaker 1>wrote a whole episode of forward thinking about time. You

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<v Speaker 1>don't remember that, No, maybe it was in the future. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>time is not standing a second, all right. So you're

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<v Speaker 1>telling me, you're telling me what that that time is

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<v Speaker 1>not a real thing. What about all of the physical

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<v Speaker 1>laws we think of that are based on time, Like

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<v Speaker 1>light takes this long to cross this amount of distance,

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<v Speaker 1>all right? So time is time is relative, Joe. Time

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<v Speaker 1>is relative depending upon a few things like gravity or mass,

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<v Speaker 1>or the speed at which at which you travel and

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<v Speaker 1>uh for us, for human beings, time is a very

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<v Speaker 1>subjective experience where we experience time the way most of

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<v Speaker 1>us are familiar. You know, a second takes a second,

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<v Speaker 1>a minute, It is sixty seconds, an hour or sixty minutes,

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<v Speaker 1>unless you're sitting in a doctor's office, or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>attending a really boring lecture, in which case a second

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<v Speaker 1>is much longer than or you're having fun, in which

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<v Speaker 1>case a second is much smaller than. That kind of

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<v Speaker 1>goes back to the subjective part. But well, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>we we don't even know how long a second takes

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<v Speaker 1>for somebody else, right, I mean, I know what a

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<v Speaker 1>second feels like to me. What if your second feels

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<v Speaker 1>a lot longer than mine does? Okay? Yeah, and what

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<v Speaker 1>if the color blue looks different to you than us

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<v Speaker 1>to me. That's beside the point here, Joe. What I'm

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get at is that depending upon how fast you, Joe,

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<v Speaker 1>are traveling, time will pass at a different rate for

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<v Speaker 1>you than it would for someone who is not traveling

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<v Speaker 1>at that same speed. This gets really complicated because we're

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<v Speaker 1>technically all traveling already. We're on a planet that is moving.

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<v Speaker 1>That planet is not stationary. Now, if we had gone

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<v Speaker 1>back to pre Copernican times, where we all had just

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<v Speaker 1>assumed the Earth is a fixed location that is static

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<v Speaker 1>and is not moving, and if that were in fact true,

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<v Speaker 1>time would be a pretty simple thing for us to

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<v Speaker 1>keep track of. But it's not true. We are on

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<v Speaker 1>a planet that's moving around, and that is part of

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<v Speaker 1>what determines how time passes for us. Now, if you, Joe,

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<v Speaker 1>we're to get into say, I don't know, a spaceship

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<v Speaker 1>that has a really fast propulsion system on it, like

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<v Speaker 1>close to the speed of light, and you were to

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<v Speaker 1>just do a quick joy ride around the Solar System

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<v Speaker 1>and come back. For arguments sake, we'll say that you

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<v Speaker 1>you spent one hour according to your experience, your your

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<v Speaker 1>watch says one hour has passed, and you land back

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<v Speaker 1>on Earth. Now, you were to compare your watch with

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<v Speaker 1>my watch, which we had synchronized before you've gotten that

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<v Speaker 1>space ship, you would see that more time had passed

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<v Speaker 1>on my watch than on your watch. That's true, isn't it. Yeah? So, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I actually did a little research on this, Joe, you

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<v Speaker 1>were pulling my legs. I'm I'm not that well, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty misinformed. But so I I say, what if

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<v Speaker 1>what if you start watching a movie when you get

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<v Speaker 1>on your spaceship, and then somebody back on Earth starts

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<v Speaker 1>watching a movie at the same time, how much time

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<v Speaker 1>do you have to finish a movie. If say you're

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<v Speaker 1>going at nine percent of the speed of light, and

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<v Speaker 1>I looked up the Lorenz transformation ratio on this and

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<v Speaker 1>it says, if you're going about nine of the speed

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<v Speaker 1>of light, the transformation is effect is at a ratio

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<v Speaker 1>of I think like it was two point two nine.

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<v Speaker 1>And that works out that the per some on the

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<v Speaker 1>ship who leaves in time to watch a movie comes

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<v Speaker 1>back when it's over, has time to watch The Little

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<v Speaker 1>Mermaid back on Earth. At the same time that the

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<v Speaker 1>Little Mermaid viewer arrives home, you have just finished watching

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<v Speaker 1>The Godfather Part two, two hundred minutes long, the full

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<v Speaker 1>thing that you know, the sadness at the end. So

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<v Speaker 1>you get you get some pacino in de Niro while

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<v Speaker 1>the other person's singing part of your world. Right. So

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<v Speaker 1>so the person on the space ship, it feels like

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<v Speaker 1>only ninety minutes have passed. The person on Earth. It's

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<v Speaker 1>much longer, or minutes only have passed for the person

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<v Speaker 1>on this that's true. That's true. It doesn't it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>feel like it, but it is. Yeah, because that's the

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<v Speaker 1>way time we're subjective. It's a subjective experience. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>thing subjective in the sense that it feels normal for

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<v Speaker 1>everybody right right you on the spaceship. It doesn't feel

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<v Speaker 1>to you like your time is going any slower. Everything

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<v Speaker 1>seems totally normal. Your watch, the second hand takes a

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<v Speaker 1>second to tick. The movie looks like it's playing at

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<v Speaker 1>a regular speed. But if somehow the people on the

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<v Speaker 1>Earth were able to peer in the window of your spaceship,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously they wouldn't be able to, but if we could

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<v Speaker 1>just imagine that it would seem to them like you

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<v Speaker 1>were watching the movie in slow motion, right, and that

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<v Speaker 1>that everything was going in slow motion, not just you

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<v Speaker 1>watching the movie, but you're watch the second hand would

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<v Speaker 1>be ticking away at a slower rate than it should

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<v Speaker 1>from that other observer. This is also tricky because we

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<v Speaker 1>often talk about from a stationary observer. Well, we don't

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<v Speaker 1>really have any stationary observers because we're on a planet.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a giant spaceship, essentially, isn't Isn't it even like

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<v Speaker 1>just just theoretically a rule that there's no such thing

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<v Speaker 1>as a stationary observer's I think you can only sort

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<v Speaker 1>you can sort of posit one, but there's no way

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<v Speaker 1>of actually confirming. Maybe you are stationary, you're technically in

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<v Speaker 1>a universe that's expanding. So I mean, it's it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>a complicated thing, right because if you're if you are

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<v Speaker 1>part of whatever system you are in, then you are

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<v Speaker 1>moving right so that this gets really this gets to

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<v Speaker 1>be a mind bender and you might think, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 1>this is kind of crazy. We're talking about near speed

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<v Speaker 1>of light travel. We have to contend with this. Right now,

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<v Speaker 1>there are satellites in orbit there in geosynchronous orbit over

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<v Speaker 1>the Earth that are keeping track things like like your

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<v Speaker 1>GPS stuff, which isn't necessarily geosynchronous orbit, but you've got

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<v Speaker 1>satellites up there that that are sending down information and

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<v Speaker 1>our GPS systems, which I'm sorry I just said GPS system.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll have to go to the A T M machine

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<v Speaker 1>and use my pin number. Um. But but let's say

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<v Speaker 1>you've got a GPS and it's getting information. It's technically

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<v Speaker 1>getting information from multiple satellites, and that information includes when

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<v Speaker 1>the satellite sent down a packet of information and by

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<v Speaker 1>using this this data, the GPS can determine where you

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<v Speaker 1>are on the surface of the Earth. It triangulates all

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<v Speaker 1>that data and it's all in the one of the

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<v Speaker 1>important things in that is when was the data sent

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<v Speaker 1>by the satellite supertime sensitive? Right exactly, because that's what

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<v Speaker 1>determines where you you know, how it how it figures

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<v Speaker 1>out where you are on the surface of the Earth.

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<v Speaker 1>Those those seconds matter, right. And the thing is, those

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<v Speaker 1>satellites that are in orbit are tracking time to us,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems like at a different rate because their clocks

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<v Speaker 1>over the course of a good span of time start

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<v Speaker 1>to lose time and due to the distance from the

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<v Speaker 1>center of gravity of the Earth and due to the

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<v Speaker 1>speed at which they're they're moving. Right. To be fair,

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<v Speaker 1>that change is so tiny. It is like if if

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<v Speaker 1>we were just to you know, be aboard this satellite

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<v Speaker 1>or something, we wouldn't even notice it. It's we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the tiny, tiny fractions of a second. Now it

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<v Speaker 1>matters if you're doing really precise calculations, like I assumed

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of the GPS on matter. But but those

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of speeds, it doesn't become a really noticeable problem

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<v Speaker 1>the same way it was when we talked about, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>watching The Godfather, right that that's much more. It's it's

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<v Speaker 1>like an instant realization. Whereas with the satellite it's an

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<v Speaker 1>accute lative thing as well. It would take months before

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<v Speaker 1>people would even start to notice something' hinky here. I

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<v Speaker 1>know that we synchronize them and they're all tomic clocks.

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<v Speaker 1>Why would why is this happening? But we have to

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<v Speaker 1>contend with that that macro dilation reality too, don't we.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, if we're talking about the future and we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about expanding into space, I mean, assuming we really

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<v Speaker 1>are going to explore the cosmos, right, which you know

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to, I don't know about the rest of humanity,

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<v Speaker 1>so that everyone else better catch at Lawrence like sia,

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<v Speaker 1>I just call our major Tom from I'm out right.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, if we want to do that, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>for instance, if we want to try and find another

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<v Speaker 1>planet to colonize, most of the most of the plants

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<v Speaker 1>that would be even remotely possible for that are hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>of light years away. I mean, I mean the nearest

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<v Speaker 1>systems period are hundreds of light years away. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>talking sing of Kepler twenty two. You know, that was

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<v Speaker 1>the one that the Kepler found and they were like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this one looks pretty cool. Six light years away, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>six hundred light years away. That that's light years. I mean, technically,

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<v Speaker 1>according to relativity, you cannot travel at that speed, right,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't go at light speed. The closest we could

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<v Speaker 1>hope to do if we if we accept the universal

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<v Speaker 1>speed limit of of light speed, is getting you know,

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<v Speaker 1>close to light speed, like we were talking about earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>It's possible. Maybe we could someday get a craft that

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<v Speaker 1>goes the speed of light and then traveling to these

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<v Speaker 1>places becomes a lot more feasible. Right, but you're still

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the descendants of the people who got on

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<v Speaker 1>board the ship. Are the ones who are there or

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<v Speaker 1>some kind of cryogenic sort of we managed to find

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<v Speaker 1>some way of turning off the aging gene, and so

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<v Speaker 1>we're perpetually the same age as whenever we got that

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<v Speaker 1>treatment done. I wish that they would hurry up with

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<v Speaker 1>that because my time is running out. People. I've heard

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<v Speaker 1>you're very old, Jonathan. That's what I hear, Lauren. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't trust the cryogenic freezing, by the way, because every

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<v Speaker 1>time you do that, mother wakes you up halfway there

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<v Speaker 1>and there's some beacon you've got to go check out

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<v Speaker 1>on some weird blasted rock in the middle of space.

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<v Speaker 1>This this kind of brings me to mind of another

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<v Speaker 1>science fiction, beloved science fiction franchise, and I'm talking specifically

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<v Speaker 1>about Star Trek, where they've established the idea of the

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<v Speaker 1>star date. Right. Yeah, star date is is essentially it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's well, I guess they do it in quadrants in

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<v Speaker 1>Star Trek, but they have an established time that everyone

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<v Speaker 1>can magically work on. And that way, when you refer

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<v Speaker 1>to a star date, everyone else that you encounter knows

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<v Speaker 1>exactly when you're you know what time you're talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>because they're all keeping that same star date. Something. I

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<v Speaker 1>can only assume that they either have a computer on

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<v Speaker 1>some planet, probably Earth, because Earth is clearly the center

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<v Speaker 1>of the entire universe, or or something else that is

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<v Speaker 1>keeping time and is so technologically advanced lee that it

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<v Speaker 1>seems like magic to us transmitting that signal simultaneously to

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<v Speaker 1>every clock in the rest of the universe. Or I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know that the quantum logic has has advanced to

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<v Speaker 1>a state that that the computers can handle the log room.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe they've they've got the they've got the entangled electrons,

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<v Speaker 1>and the spin of the electron tells the onboard ship clock. Okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>ship time, because you would have to have ship time.

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<v Speaker 1>Ship time would be what it would feel like to

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<v Speaker 1>the people who are on board the ship, right, and

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<v Speaker 1>that time would feel like just like on any other service,

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<v Speaker 1>that the second is a second, a minutism, etcetera. The

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<v Speaker 1>star date is supposed to be outside of that, it's

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be this universal time. And again I agree,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's probably something that's supposed to be said

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<v Speaker 1>on Earth because starf Lead is that's where Earth is.

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<v Speaker 1>And I can't believe we're having this discussion this in depth.

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<v Speaker 1>But they didn't even keep it consistent on the show. No, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>the early days, they just had a shorthand you know,

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<v Speaker 1>back back before like the first if you watch that

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<v Speaker 1>the original series and uh and you watch those first

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<v Speaker 1>few episodes there, they aren't consistent. In fact, there are

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<v Speaker 1>later episodes that have earlier star dates because they were

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of they thought it sounded cool. They were

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<v Speaker 1>just spitting out numbers. Yeah, they were like like number

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<v Speaker 1>forty seven, etcetera. Yeah, yeah, that is a cool number.

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<v Speaker 1>And in the Star Trek University seven is pretty big.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, that's the thing is that you would have

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<v Speaker 1>to have some sort of really complex computer to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to take in that information and take your onboard

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<v Speaker 1>ship's clock, and it was just ridiculous. Wait a second,

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<v Speaker 1>let's break this down. Okay, let's talk about what's really

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<v Speaker 1>the problem here. Okay, Now, in Star Trek, they're going

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<v Speaker 1>faster than the speed of light. So let's just maybe

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<v Speaker 1>that's possible. You know, maybe everything we know is wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>But let's let's just say right for right now that

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<v Speaker 1>that that's not actually what we're gonna be doing. Okay, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we're just we're ignore test or as entirely. Just skip

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<v Speaker 1>over that. That's cool. Let's imagine that that we can

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<v Speaker 1>go the speed of light. Okay, like we were talking

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<v Speaker 1>about before, break it down. What what's the actual problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Why can't we keep clocks synchronized? Well, because again time

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<v Speaker 1>is from from a stationary observer, which again from the

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<v Speaker 1>observer down here, time is is literally moving differently. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's it's all the theory of relativity by

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<v Speaker 1>by Einstein. It says that that time is part of

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<v Speaker 1>the fabric of space, and that the fabric of space

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<v Speaker 1>time is is warped by both gravity and speed, and

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<v Speaker 1>so so you're you're changing, you are intrinsically changing the

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<v Speaker 1>nature of this imaginary thing. You're changing your experience. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds like it sounds like essentially, what we're saying

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<v Speaker 1>is that time is an experience. It's not something that

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<v Speaker 1>you can track in any kind of standard or universal way.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also a magazine. Yeah, I just didn't want you

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<v Speaker 1>to pigeonhole. It's also a print side project. That's true, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Morris Day. Yeah, anyway, Yeah, that's Joe and I are

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<v Speaker 1>bonding over terrible references. Uh, yeah, I mean it's it is.

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<v Speaker 1>It's totally subjective and really the the to me, one

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<v Speaker 1>of the interesting things is that, uh, from the perspective

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<v Speaker 1>of any one individual, whether that person is aboard a

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<v Speaker 1>spaceship or on a planet or drifting out into the dark,

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<v Speaker 1>cold clutches of space itself, time is passing at a

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<v Speaker 1>very at that normal rate, normal being like, this is

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<v Speaker 1>this is what I'm used to. It's not until you

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<v Speaker 1>meet up with someone else who has been traveling at

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<v Speaker 1>a different speed and you compare notes that you even

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<v Speaker 1>have the moment where you're like, wow, that's that's weird.

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<v Speaker 1>So maybe we would just have to give up the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that Okay, if you're traveling it is, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>very significant fraction of the speed of light. Everything's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get messed up. Actually, no matter how fast you're traveling, right,

0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:49.080
<v Speaker 1>it's going to get messed up a little bit. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just a question of the faster you travel, the more

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<v Speaker 1>messed up it gets. Right in a in an exponential way, yes, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so we understand that traveling in the spaceships at a

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<v Speaker 1>near fraction the speed of light will will make keeping

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<v Speaker 1>track of time across distances completely pointless. You just can't

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<v Speaker 1>really do it. Maybe you could, I'd imagine have different

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<v Speaker 1>sort of galactic time zones, right, like each planet keeps

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<v Speaker 1>its own time. Solar System keeps its own time in

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<v Speaker 1>a way that is useful locally, and when you get

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere new you just have to adapt to their time.

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<v Speaker 1>But that introduces another idea to me. So, if we're

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<v Speaker 1>traveling beyond Earth, aren't we going to get messed up

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<v Speaker 1>real bad? Just our bodies, our brains. I mean, we

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<v Speaker 1>are so deeply programmed to work on this planet that

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<v Speaker 1>has an essentially twenty four hour day in particular circadian Right,

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<v Speaker 1>what happens to us when suddenly we just do not

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<v Speaker 1>have day and night anymore. Well, if if you're a

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<v Speaker 1>board a ship, I assume, I mean, we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>far enough in the future where we have these propulsion systems.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's far enough to say that I think we

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<v Speaker 1>would be able to simulate not day cycles aboard the ship.

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<v Speaker 1>So at least on on ship, your night day cycles

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<v Speaker 1>to you would seem normal. They would seem to be

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<v Speaker 1>transpiring at the same rate as they would if you

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<v Speaker 1>were back on Earth. Now. Meanwhile, so when back on

0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:15.680
<v Speaker 1>Earth would be uh, if they were able to see

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<v Speaker 1>what your night day cycles would look like, they would say, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>that's nothing like what it is on Earth, because again,

0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:24.400
<v Speaker 1>you're traveling at near the speed of light. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>you know, from the two different from the two different perspectives,

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna seem totally different, but from each individual it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to seem perfectly normal. That would allow you to

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<v Speaker 1>at least maintain some sense of balance from a normal

0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:39.359
<v Speaker 1>day night cycle while you're on the ship on another

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<v Speaker 1>planet totally different story, you're pretty much you know, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>unless you're living inside all the time with no windows

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<v Speaker 1>out to the outside world, or you're on a planet

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<v Speaker 1>that has a day night cycle. It's so near to

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<v Speaker 1>Earth's that it doesn't really matter, which is possible, Like

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<v Speaker 1>Mars is really close, yeah, like three something something ours. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's really it's it's not it's very similar. It's similar

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<v Speaker 1>enough where I think it would be fairly easy to

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<v Speaker 1>adapt to the day night cycle. Uh. Not a whole

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<v Speaker 1>lot to see outside on Mars though, So I mean

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<v Speaker 1>you'll be like, is it a nice day, Well, it's dusty.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of kind of dusty. It's a little less

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<v Speaker 1>rusty today than it was yesterday. It's not true, it's

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<v Speaker 1>all oxidized. Yeah, So I mean that's just what does

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<v Speaker 1>night even look like on Mars? I feel like all

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<v Speaker 1>the pictures I've seen were taken during the day, and

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<v Speaker 1>well that night it's pretty dark. They don't have any

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<v Speaker 1>street lamps out there, all right, you know, you know, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is incredibly interesting conversation. But as it

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<v Speaker 1>turns out, I mean, it's it's going to be really hard,

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<v Speaker 1>if not impossible, to manage time across both Earth and

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<v Speaker 1>UH interstellar traveling UH spaceships that are moving at near

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<v Speaker 1>the speed of light or really any significant speed significant

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<v Speaker 1>enough to get out of our solar system and perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>into another one, just because that's the way time works.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's, uh, it's pretty hard to wrap your head around.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's it's weird to think that the second

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<v Speaker 1>hand on my watch would be moving to me the

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<v Speaker 1>same amount as it with on Earth if I were

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<v Speaker 1>on a really fast ship, but from an outside observer

0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:13.159
<v Speaker 1>who somehow is magically able to see this, it was

0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:16.000
<v Speaker 1>like it's moving in slow motion. That's that seems crazy

0:19:16.080 --> 0:19:18.600
<v Speaker 1>and counterintuitive to us, but that's the way time works.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually don't wear a watch, so I don't even

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<v Speaker 1>know why I bothered doing this show. Yeah, me neither

0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:30.360
<v Speaker 1>are we are we three non latch wears. So, as

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<v Speaker 1>the Great Douglas Adams once said, time is an illusion,

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<v Speaker 1>lunchtime doubly so. And I think that pretty much sums

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