1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class from how 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: Stuff Works dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. 3 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: I'm Tracy Wilson and I'm Holly Fry, and we're going 4 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: to do something a little different today. This early in 5 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:23,159 Speaker 1: the New Year podcast episode, we get a lot of 6 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 1: listener mail. We discussed this. We try really hard to 7 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: answer at all, and we mostly fail most of it. 8 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: I fall into that trap where I'm like, I'm going 9 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: to answer this when I have ten minutes to really 10 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: think about an answer and not just dash something off 11 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 1: when I don't have time to check my facts or 12 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: like really think through a good response, and then a 13 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 1: farting more emails come in ten minutes. Never happened. So 14 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 1: I really don't mean to slate anybody. Yeah. We get 15 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: a lot of emails that are on sort of the 16 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: same theme. We get ones that are like, have you 17 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: ever thought about doing an episode on such and stuff? 18 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: And that answer a lot of times is either yes 19 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: or no, like it's not actually a satisfying answer. We 20 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: have thought about it, yeah, or We get a lot 21 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: of can you do an episode on? Or will you 22 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: do an episode on? And that answer is pretty much 23 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: always maybe, unless unless we happen to be actually in 24 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: the process of researching that right now. Uh. That answers 25 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: pretty much always maybe, But there are some other ones 26 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: that we really get the same question over and over 27 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 1: and over again, and some of them are things that 28 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: people are specifically asking us to talk about. So today 29 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: we have a selection of these frequently asked questions that 30 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: we get from our listeners, UH, and we're just going 31 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: to answer all of them so that we can point 32 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: people to this podcast in the future when we continue 33 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: to get these same questions. How does that sound, Hollie, 34 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 1: That sounds delightful to me. I could probably be more 35 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: fulfilling to the people that we never answer. I hope, 36 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: I hope UM, and I will because a lot of 37 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: these are questions that I have answered, Like I've sent 38 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: basically the same email a whole lot of times, and 39 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: and so I can tell it's one that there's some 40 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: legitimate interest in. UM. This first one, this particular email 41 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: is from Heather, but it is a question that we 42 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: get a whole whole lot of times. And she starts 43 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 1: off by suggesting several different episode topics, and the last 44 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: thing she says is, lastly, I'm wondering if you would 45 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:19,679 Speaker 1: ever consider recording a podcast about your podcast, specifically, how 46 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: you do the research for your stories? Are there certain 47 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: websites that you can recommend to those of us who 48 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: want to do research on our own, What type of 49 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: libraries do you use, how do you get started, how 50 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 1: long does the research take for any given podcast, and 51 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: most importantly, how do you fact check yourself? I think 52 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 1: I'm not the only listener that would be interested to 53 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: hear about what you do behind the scenes. That last 54 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: part is definitely true. We get so many emails asking 55 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: is how we prep and do our research? Yeah. I 56 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: think we start with figuring out what to talk about, 57 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: and sometimes that is a laborious task. It really is sometimes. 58 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 1: I mean the bottom line is that, uh, we have 59 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: long lists, both of us. We have one big list, 60 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: and then we each have our own individual lists. I think, 61 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: uh um, and I survey mind and I try to 62 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 1: find a thing that is going to pop out and 63 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:08,959 Speaker 1: just grabs me that week. And it just because something 64 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: doesn't grab me one week doesn't mean it won't be 65 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 1: next week. But in any given week, Yeah, I really 66 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: got to be pretty interested because you're gonna be spending 67 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: a lot of time with the topic well, and usually 68 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: when I write something on the list, I'm so excited 69 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 1: about it, and then when I actually have the chance 70 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: to la, when you go back, you may not have 71 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: the same fire. He isn't striking me quite as much anymore. 72 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: So one of the things I also do to kind 73 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: of narrow it down, and sometimes that the opposite happens, 74 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: is to look at what we've talked about recently and 75 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: try to think of something that's different from that, so 76 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: that we're not covering the same subjects over and over. Yeah, 77 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: I do the same so that it's not all Victorian 78 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: underwear every week, as much as that would be awesome, 79 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: be a very natural day to day thing for me. 80 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: But well, and sometimes we do have little patterns where 81 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: one thing will lead us to another thing will lead 82 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: us to another thing. Like the recent episode that we 83 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: had about the Hessians kind of led me into something 84 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: that we're recording in this session today about the Battle 85 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: of Hastings because I just discovered that I enjoyed talking 86 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: about the battle and I want to talk about another one. 87 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: So we do have little patterns that emerge, But trying 88 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: to find something that we haven't just talked about is 89 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: another part of it. Once I have a subject, it's 90 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 1: time for Google. Yes, And I think you and I 91 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: do a pretty similar thing here where we do a 92 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: quick Google search initially, right, and for me, I'd kind 93 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 1: of end up writing out usually in pen and paper. 94 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 1: It's not even a type thing, like a quick four 95 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: to six point I don't even want to call it 96 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: an outline because that makes it sound way more structured 97 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: than it is. But like kind of the the points 98 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: that I feel like have to be hit in that story, 99 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: and then that guides the rest of the research. That's 100 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: I don't do that, maybe I should because what happens 101 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 1: to me is I sort of google and Google is 102 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 1: kind of a gut check for me of is there 103 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,919 Speaker 1: enough information about this person out in the world, Because 104 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 1: sometimes it's clear as as I Google that there's a 105 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 1: Wikipedia page and nothing else, uh, and that that's probably 106 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: not gonna work. So if if Google makes it clear 107 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 1: that yes, I'll be able to find information, then it's 108 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 1: time for Google scholar. Uh. The University of Georgia system 109 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: has a database of stuff that you can get to 110 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: with your library card if you're a Georgia resident. UM. 111 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 1: I use that to look at a lot of academic papers. 112 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: I sometimes will get books, depending on if there are 113 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: books that are in print and in our budget. Yeah, 114 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 1: I am. One good thing about the fact that we 115 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 1: do a lot of history is that often places, uh 116 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: like Amazon or Barnes and Noble will have e books 117 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 1: that are free because they're basically either public domain or 118 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: they're just elderly enough that they're really not. Yeah, but 119 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: those all get delivered right to my phone and I 120 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: can be reading them on the train commuting. I get 121 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: archive dot org, your project getting burger, things like that. Um. Also, 122 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: sometimes it really depends. Sometimes we're able to get something 123 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: from inter library loan. I know I did that with 124 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 1: the Hessians because you could only find one really good 125 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: book that you wanted. Yeah, it was way too in 126 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 1: Georgia had it. Yeah, there's pretty much one copy of 127 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 1: the book and all of Metro Atlanta that they sent 128 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 1: to me. So I spend a lot of reading and 129 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 1: rereading and synthesizing stuff into notes. Sometimes at this point 130 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: it goes completely off the rails and I realized I've 131 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: made a terrible mistake and I have to start over. 132 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 1: We have both been in that vote. Yes, sometimes I 133 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: am in that vote multiple times in one week. I 134 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: don't end that. I don't either. I don't want it 135 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: to happen ever, but it'll be like I'll get to 136 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: a point and I'll just realize, like this, there's no 137 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: story here, Like it's just kind of you know, it's 138 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: facts and figures, which can be great, but if that's 139 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: all you have and there's no more meat to it, 140 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: it's not really very engaging. And if it's not engaging 141 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: to me in the research phase, there's no way it's 142 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 1: going to be engaging as a discussion. Yeah, after the 143 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 1: Red Wedding episode of Game of Thrones and everyone was 144 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: asking us to talk about the massacre at Glenco and 145 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,679 Speaker 1: the uh, what was the other one? The Black Dinner, 146 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: I think was what the other event was. People were 147 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 1: talking asking me to talk about that. So many people 148 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: were talking about it that I thought, I don't really 149 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: have anything new to add to everyone is talking about 150 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: right now, And I thought about doing an episode that 151 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: was on the history of hospitality, which sounded really cool 152 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: to me because when you have so many um cultures 153 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: that are are based on really extreme climate or being 154 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: kind of a migratory culture, the idea of hospitality tends 155 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: to be really entrenched in the culture and really important. 156 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: And I was like, I'll do the history of hospitality. 157 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: That will be awesome. And within an hour I had 158 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: there was a whole Like I had this giant stack 159 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: of papers, and it became immediately clear to me that 160 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: that was not gonna work. I had to pick something else. So, yeah, 161 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: sometimes it does become start over territory. Yeah, sometimes you 162 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: end up on this raft of tons of general information 163 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: and there's there's no clear path to make an actual 164 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: thing out of it. Right, That was the problem with that. 165 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: It was never going to be soup. It's just gonna 166 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: be some water and one bully on cube and like 167 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: a sad carrot. That's exactly what it was. Once I 168 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: have all that stuff, I start taking notes and working 169 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: the notes into the story, and reading and rereading the 170 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: synthesized copy of notes to to try to get it 171 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: into something that's going to be cohesive and have a 172 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: beginning in the middle of an end, and all of 173 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 1: that kind of thing. Making sure I got my facts right. Yeah. 174 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,599 Speaker 1: I do a thing that drives uh, my husband. I 175 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: keep people anyone with a lick of sense crazy, Which 176 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: is it for all of my online resource, like I 177 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: get all of my resources open at the same time. 178 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: Me too, And like if I have books, I will 179 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:48,959 Speaker 1: have books laid out at the same time. I may 180 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: have a thing pulled up on my phone at the 181 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,599 Speaker 1: same time. I will have literally thirty tabs open in 182 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: a browser, and then I try to incorporate I'll review 183 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: it because usually have read it all before, and then 184 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 1: I'll review it, and as I feel like I'm done 185 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 1: with this item, I will close it. And so I 186 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: can kind of get a constant visual of where I'm 187 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: at in terms of my progress on prepping by how 188 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: many how many big messy sources are still open versus 189 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: how much I whittled down. Yeah, I we get a 190 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: lot of questions about whether we use like ever note 191 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: or something to keep up with our research, and I 192 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: do not. I don't either. I started at how stuff 193 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: works in two thousand and five, and a lot of 194 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: the tools that exist today weren't either weren't there yet 195 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 1: or weren't quite ready for prime time yet, and so 196 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: I just developed the system of bookmarking things and opening 197 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: all my bookmarks in tabs, which is still what I do, 198 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: even though there are much more sophisticated research tools. Now 199 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: that works for me and not as what I do. 200 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 1: Once I have this thing, the last thing that I 201 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: do is the pronunciation check. Yeah, there's a lot of 202 00:09:56,400 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: time spent on pronunciation checking, which I think there are 203 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: are naysayers who think that we do not ever do 204 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,559 Speaker 1: we do. We're not always good at it, and then 205 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: it comes back out of our mouths. We do check it, 206 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 1: we yes. I remember with the Stay Shanna Go in episode, 207 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: I was watching Japanese language things with subtitle to make 208 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: sure that I got the words correctly, and then I 209 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: sent every proper name and the entire thing to the 210 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: boyfriend who speaks Japanese and has lived in Japan and 211 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,719 Speaker 1: and and like synthesized all of the andy into a 212 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,559 Speaker 1: comprehensive and I think we only really messed up one 213 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:37,199 Speaker 1: word in that one, which made me happy that with 214 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: all of that Japanese we only made one complete mess up. Um. 215 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: I also do it's almost uh fact check e gut checks, 216 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: laugh dress rehearsal where I will data dump kind of 217 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: the story on either of my husband or a close friend, 218 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: and the questions that they bring up are ones where 219 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I need to do more. That is, yes, 220 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: I do that sometimes to you and bless the humans 221 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: that have to put up with me doing that. And 222 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: sometimes even after we're done with the podcast, I want 223 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: to keep talking about it, and they get those two. 224 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: So all the people close to me in my life, 225 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I've told you there was an incident 226 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: at Dragon Conrad dream about Clyde Tomba during a panel 227 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 1: and woke up quick, nothing to do with what was 228 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: going on, and then I really wanted to talk about it. 229 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: It's okay. The very last thing that I do sometimes, 230 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: as I'm seriously sitting here at the microphone, is figuring 231 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: out what listener mail I'm going to read and and 232 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: what article on how staff works are gonna talk about. 233 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: That's the thing number last. Yep, that's basically the process 234 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: for me as well. That end point we recorded on 235 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 1: microphones are wonderful producer Nol who's very tolerant and sweet. Yes, 236 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 1: our previous podcast, which is called pop Stuff, we pretty 237 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:55,079 Speaker 1: much came in and sat down and recorded it in 238 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: one take. That is not how this podcast works at all. No, 239 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: there's it's too easy to flow up um fact or 240 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 1: a year or somebody's name, and you don't want that. 241 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: For as much as we do it, it would be 242 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: really long and boring for people to listen to us 243 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:13,079 Speaker 1: go whoops and have to fix it again. There's lots 244 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: of fixing. So yes, that is the question of how 245 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 1: we make our podcast. Thank you everyone who has asked that. Yeah, 246 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: I did not think it would be enough to make 247 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: an entire episode about it, which, looking now how long 248 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: we've talked about it, is totally true. I think you 249 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: have one I do. This is a sample, but we 250 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 1: get many on this particular subject. So anytime we're talking 251 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 1: about something that is more than two thousand years old. 252 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: From our listener Richard, and he says, dear friends, I 253 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,839 Speaker 1: was so enjoying the podcast on ice cream until at 254 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 1: seven minutes and two seconds one of you referred to 255 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: a date at C and I wanted to gag. I'm 256 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: glad I wasn't eating ice cream me too, because that 257 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: would be unpleasant, both the ice cream and for Richard. 258 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,559 Speaker 1: Real historians don't use these made up designations. B C 259 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: and A D or universally understood and do the job 260 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: quite nicely. Thank you. B C E and C E 261 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: are just obskaters that serve no valuable purpose. Uh. I 262 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: love the podcast, but would love it a lot more 263 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: if you'd stick to more authentic designators of your reference. 264 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: Using accurate terms to avoid using offensive and formerly common 265 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: ones is great and to be encouraged, for example, Asian 266 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: African American marriage equality, etcetera. But political correctness for the 267 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: sake of political correctness is so last decade. Let's get 268 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: with it. Thank you for listening to me. And this 269 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: one's a real pet peeve of mine. We get this 270 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:32,199 Speaker 1: one a lot, we do. We're not the only ones 271 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: to do that. No, So that's actually a standard that 272 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,199 Speaker 1: we moved to on how stuff works as a website 273 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: after many years of following the Associated Press style standard 274 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: of using BC and a D when talking about dates. So, 275 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: if you're unfamiliar with all these what all these things 276 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: stand for? Bc BC stands for before Christ. A D 277 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: stands for Anno domini, which means the year of our Lord. 278 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: And you will also hear people say after death, which 279 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 1: is not what it means, but that's kind of their 280 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: um shorthand version of it. Yes, that's also why when 281 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: you look at dates, it's the the a D part 282 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 1: is supposed to come before the date, because it's like 283 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 1: the year of our Lord, not the year of our Lord. 284 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: So H B, C E, and and c E stand 285 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: for before the Common Era and Common Era, and there 286 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: sometimes people will say that C stands for various other things, 287 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: but the general UH accepted notation is that it's before 288 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: the Common Era and Common Era. And the whole idea 289 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: is to be more inclusive of non Christian people. When 290 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: we were using BC and A d is a web 291 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: a website standard, we did periodically get very kind and 292 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: gracious emails from people who would sort of remind us 293 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: that our visitors to the website are many, many of 294 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: them not from the United States, from other nations where 295 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: the predominant religion is not Christianity. I know that most 296 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: still the majority of people in the United States identify 297 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: with Christianity as in some form as their religion, but 298 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: that is really not a case in the whole world. 299 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: So we made this decision thoughtfully after some pretty extensive 300 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: consideration UH, in order to be more inclusive and to 301 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: recognize the fact that our audience is a global audience 302 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: and not just an American audience. UM so beast. The 303 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: number one UM thing. Number two is that usually when 304 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: we get these emails, the flavor of the question, UH 305 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: seems to assume that that B C, E, and C 306 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: are like a brand new thing that we just thought 307 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: of within the last couple of years to try to 308 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: be politically correct, which's not the case at all. That 309 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: isn't really not the case at all, um, get ready, 310 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: because they're shockingly elderly. Well, just at the more in 311 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: the more recent time, when I was in college, most 312 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: of my history and humanities and literature textbooks used B, C, 313 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: E and ceotation and that at this point was at 314 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: least fifteen years ago that I was reading them, which 315 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: meant that they were pub lished and and edited and 316 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: things like that prior to that. Um. But really, the 317 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: idea of common era goes all the way back to 318 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: the seventeenth century, and it was widely used in Jewish 319 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: scholarship by the eighteenth century. And then B C has 320 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: existed since at least eighteen eighty one, so this is 321 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: a much older notation then people give it credit for. Uh. 322 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 1: The other thing that we're giving people credit for is 323 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: the ability to figure things out from context. UM. I 324 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: pretty much trust listeners to be able to figure things 325 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: out from context and and to not need to define 326 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: every single thing that we talk about. So, while I 327 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: get that it might throw somebody for a loop the 328 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: first time they hear somebody use BC and CE instead 329 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: of BC and a D, I pretty much stressed that 330 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: people can figure out what that means, and if they 331 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: are still confused, can go, well, look, get up. But 332 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: now we have the definition right here, ind of for 333 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: anyone who would like to have it. Yeah, and it's 334 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: it's one of those things I get, like everybody's got 335 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: a peeve. I have tons of them, but at the 336 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: end of the day, that's my peeve to live with them. 337 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:10,679 Speaker 1: And it's it's definitely a decision that we made to 338 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: be more inclusive of everyone, not to exclude Christians, which 339 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: seems to be sometimes sometimes. No, it's definitely an attempt 340 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 1: to be more broad in who we are speaking to 341 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: you rather than more narrow. So, hey, Tracy, yes, Before 342 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 1: we get to the next one, which is incidentally also 343 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: kind of a criticism, Uh doon to dake a moment 344 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 1: talk about our sponsor. Let's do now we will move 345 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 1: on to you. Another somewhat critical question that we get 346 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 1: pretty often. This is from Donna, who says are you guys. 347 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 1: Even looking at the iTunes feedback for the History podcast, 348 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: I'm sorry to say, but the current one's voices are 349 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: very tough to take. I've always loved the History Podcast 350 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:53,400 Speaker 1: up until they started this year, but I just can't 351 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: handle their voices. Please put some nice voices back on. 352 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: Thank you. I'd I really hard not to look at 353 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: our iTunes reviews. Yeah I don't. I mean, there's there's 354 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: only so much it will accomplish other than making either 355 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: of us feel self conscious or creddy. Yeah, um, that's 356 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 1: what you got. I sometimes check in on our iTunes 357 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 1: reviews to see if the like if the tide of 358 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: iTunes has turned uh and and the answer at this 359 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: point is like it has shifted a tiny bit for 360 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: when we came up on the podcast, but just a 361 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: tiny bit. If according to our iTunes reviews, like this 362 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: podcast is circling the drain with listeners leaving in droves 363 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: because you and I have terrible voices, and that is 364 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: not the case by any other metric that we have. 365 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: And I don't want to discount people that don't care 366 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: for me. That's fine, You're totally entitled to not like me. 367 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: They're certainly people, um, celebrities and radio personalities and just 368 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:05,199 Speaker 1: people that I'm not wild about. Everybody's got that, but 369 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: I don't. That seemed to be playing out in terms 370 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 1: of like our download numbers or so. We had a 371 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: record breaking month in October for the entire podcast, which 372 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 1: was just a hooray thanks to our listeners. Uh. The 373 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: one of the things that comes up pretty often is 374 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 1: they don't have voices for radio. And I think the 375 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: people who say that aren't listening to the same radio 376 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: that I'm listening to, because I hear all kinds of 377 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 1: voices on the radio and all kinds of voices in podcasts, 378 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 1: because they're real humans. It's not people that have been 379 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: like my golden life is to be a DJ or 380 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: to be a talk radio host. We're here because we're 381 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: into history, and that's pretty much you know the jam. Yeah. 382 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 1: I always take comfort in uh an interview I heard 383 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: with Ira Glass once or he talks about how often 384 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: he gets people that talk about how horrible his voice 385 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:00,959 Speaker 1: is and they cannot bear to live into his various 386 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: foibles and his you know, throat catching in his arms 387 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: and right. But I just kept going, yeah, and I 388 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 1: adore I Red Glass Glass definitely has a very distinctive voice, 389 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: as does Sarah Vowl. Oh. I I mean to me, 390 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: she's always going to be violent incredible. But even though 391 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: I have seen her speak about Lincoln and other historical things, 392 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 1: in my head, it's always highlight incredible. Yes. So for 393 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 1: people who wonder, yes, we occasionally look at our IT 394 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: teams reviews, do not be concerned. We are not losing 395 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: listeners in droves in spite of what you may be there. Yeah, 396 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 1: and I you know, I worry sometimes that there's always 397 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:49,400 Speaker 1: this ongoing thing of like where people went and did 398 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: people still think that we fired Sarah and or Doablina 399 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: and took over, which couldn't be further for the truth. 400 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: We both love them. Let's just dispel this right now. 401 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: Zero people have ever been fired from stuff you missed 402 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 1: in history class. Yeah, It's always been a case of people, 403 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: you know, moving on in their careers wanting to take 404 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,360 Speaker 1: on new challenges. Uh. Some people have taken new challenges 405 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: at How Stuff Works or Discovery, and some people have 406 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: taken on new roles at other companies, and pretty much 407 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: I've supported every one of those decisions. Yeah, and we're 408 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: still all pal. I was texting it to Blinan last 409 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: night about horrible television that we both love. So yeah, 410 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: I I don't. I'm saddened when people think it's somehow 411 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 1: it cover up and we're sneaky, and I think bad 412 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: has happened to those girls. They're good and I still 413 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 1: love them both. Yeah. Well, and everyone from before Katie also, 414 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: and uh and Candice also and Jane also. I'm like, yeah, 415 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: people from before my time after work. We've had this 416 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: podcast for a really long time, and consequently, as happens 417 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: in jobs, sometimes people go to work somewhere else. Uh. 418 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 1: This last one that I have is actually something that's 419 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,360 Speaker 1: really near to my heart. And that's why I keep 420 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: typing out the same long, long answer every time someone 421 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:13,360 Speaker 1: asks me. Uh. And so this is from Kelsey. Kelsey says, hello, ladies. 422 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: I adore your podcast. I've been listening since they were 423 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: five minutes long, which is back in the Josh and 424 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: Kansas the way early. Um. Anyway, I'm reading a book 425 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 1: in my college English class, The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lax. 426 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 1: I'm only halfway through and can see ten different podcast 427 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 1: subjects that I think you all would enjoy. Henrietta Lax 428 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: is responsible for the polio vaccine, cloning, gene mapping, and 429 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: so much more that I mentioned. She was a poor 430 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: black woman who died in ninety one. This woman better 431 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 1: known as HeLa, and her cells stolen by John Hopkins 432 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 1: Hospital when she went in for cervical cancer. Her cells 433 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: are still alive, but Henrietta remains unknown and her family 434 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: didn't know about the cells until recently. People made million 435 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: millions on her cells and her family can't even afford 436 00:22:56,080 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: health insurance. The immortal life of Henrietta Lax as race relations, 437 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 1: power and privileged struggles and so much more. I hope 438 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 1: you guys can do a podcast on her. Kelsey Henrietta 439 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: Lacks is probably the most requested podcast subject, followed closely 440 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: by the Quints, followed closely by the Deon Quints. And 441 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 1: these two stories have something really important in common, which 442 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:21,439 Speaker 1: is that they are all people who their their story 443 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,719 Speaker 1: and their place in history involves having their privacy fundamentally 444 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: violated by people who are in a position of power. 445 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: Right so, Henrietta Lacks her privacy was fundamentally violated when 446 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: her cells were removed from her body without her knowledge 447 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 1: or consent and then used to make lots of money. Yeah. Um, 448 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,199 Speaker 1: the Dion Quints were removed from their parents. These are 449 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 1: a set of quintuplets who were born sometime in the past. 450 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 1: I don't remember the exact year, but they were removed 451 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: from their parents and basically brought up in this sort 452 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: of laboratory situation as almost test subjects. Um. Fundamentally, their 453 00:23:56,600 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: privacy was invaded by before they could have even had 454 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: a consciousness or not. They could not they were uh. 455 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,479 Speaker 1: And so in the case of Henrietta Lack, she has 456 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: kin who are still alive. In the case of the 457 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: Dion Quintucklets, there are at the last time I looked 458 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 1: two of them still living. I am not disparaging any 459 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 1: work anyone else has done on any of these people, 460 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 1: and even of the other angles on the story that 461 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: UM with Henriette Lacks, that people have housed at house 462 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 1: to works have done. Like we have an article on 463 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: HeLa cells, we have other podcasts that have been on 464 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:35,159 Speaker 1: HeLa cells. For the purpose of this podcast, though, I 465 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,439 Speaker 1: am much more inclined to allow Henriette Lacks to have 466 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: her privacy in her death, especially since there are so 467 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 1: many other readily available materials usually accessible for her That's 468 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: kind of my thing, is that we've reached a point 469 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: where what more are we going to add to the discussion? Yeah, 470 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,679 Speaker 1: and there isn't really anything that doesn't already exist. And 471 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 1: both of these stories have been publicized a great deal, uh, 472 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: you know, certainly because the book came out about Henrietta Lacks. Yeah, well, 473 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: and her life story is is pretty much out there, 474 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 1: it really and the book is a global best seller 475 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 1: that's been translated into like a double digit numbers of languages. 476 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: It's not like a secret book nobody knows about. It's 477 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,439 Speaker 1: definitely super dip there. And one of the reasons we 478 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,959 Speaker 1: get so many requests because so many people are reading it, 479 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 1: which is great, And any episode that we would do 480 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: would essentially be rehashing right that story and and that's 481 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: really not what I want to do in in that 482 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: kind of a circumstance. I think if you were interested 483 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: in the life of Henrietta Lacks, you can get that 484 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 1: book from the library or you can buy in a store. 485 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 1: There's also an audio book version of it. There is 486 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,159 Speaker 1: a movie deal in the works that Oprah win Oprah 487 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,959 Speaker 1: Winfrey is involved in, so that wouldn't naturally have access 488 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: to a lot more than we could really do. Um. 489 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: And if you're looking for something that's more podcast like, 490 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 1: there is an episode of All Things Considered from NPR 491 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 1: that you can listen to you on the web for free. 492 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: So there's lots and lots out there on Henriettle Axe 493 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: and for a number of not something that is not 494 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,880 Speaker 1: discussed and needs to be unearthed and examined. Yeah, yeah, 495 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: the the any examination we would be doing is actually 496 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 1: a retelling of an examination that someone else has already done. 497 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: And I would much rather let that person's work, which 498 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: is Rebecca Salute um, stand on its own. Uh. And 499 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,360 Speaker 1: with the quints, it's kind of the same thing. Yeah, 500 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 1: They've been covered in books, certainly, on television, certainly on 501 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 1: in various periodicals and other publications. We're not going to 502 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: add a lot to that that isn't pretty readily available 503 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 1: to most people. It's not like we're going to magically 504 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: find some pattern recognition that exposes some element of the 505 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: story that no one else has thought of before. It's 506 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: all been covered pretty thoroughly. I keep agreeing with you. 507 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: I often just agree with you, so hooray for that. 508 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: So yeah, we sometimes when I write that letter back 509 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 1: to people they are kind of angry and say, well, 510 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 1: but her, her family wants her story to be down 511 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 1: and I am I am okay with that, And you know, 512 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to speak for a family. I'm just 513 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: trying to speak for us, and uh and and what 514 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: we I wanted to be able to put into the 515 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: podcast versus what already stands pretty well on tome, which 516 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: to me that work really does. 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If you 526 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: wouldn't to learn more about Henrietta Lacks, who I know 527 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 1: many many many of you do. We have an article 528 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: on the website, which is one of the many things 529 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,679 Speaker 1: that I do feel pretty comfortable about. And if it 530 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: were a science podcast that we were on we might 531 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 1: do that, and that is the HeLa cells that came 532 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: about as a result of her medical treatment. You can 533 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 1: come to the website. You can search Heila h E. 534 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 1: L A cells and you will find how HeLa Sales Work, 535 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: which is an article about the cells that came from 536 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 1: Henrietta Lacks. You can do all that in a whole 537 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: lot more at our website, which is how stuff works 538 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: dot com for more on this and thousands of other 539 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 1: topics because it how stuff works dot Com.