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Speaker 1: What over you you were just high school third greater. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so now going against the Packers as a physitional coach

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Speaker 1: set a milestone for you. And is it wild to

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Speaker 1: think back at that moment where you realize it too now?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean I'll never forget brought far, doesn't

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Speaker 1: Howard and those guys beating us down in New Orleans?

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Speaker 1: That was I was eye opening experience for me. Um.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I haven't really reflected back on then

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Speaker 1: and now I'm just answering questions for playing against Rogers

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Speaker 1: now though something. I guess it just seems significant that

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Speaker 1: the moment you knew that was against the Packers and

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Speaker 1: maybe now he gets to play them as as a

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Speaker 1: safe dis Yeah, too much talking to it? Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean you know, uh, Aaron Rodgers is a great quarterback.

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Speaker 1: The Packers are a great quarterback. But we respect all

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Speaker 1: our opponents and every game is a big game. Every

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Speaker 1: team as good players. So it's not like this week's

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Speaker 1: bigger than the last or because they beat us in

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Speaker 1: the suberow in ninety six, this is some bigger bene

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Speaker 1: game for me Um. I mean, it's just just life

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Speaker 1: football stupid. So you coach an experience thing. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm just an experienced smaller physician group. But since you

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Speaker 1: know Pat Duran dead all experiet, creative in the way

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Speaker 1: you neither motivate or teach. Yeah. Absolutely, those guys, Um

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Speaker 1: you know, I got like forty years of experience. Uh

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Speaker 1: so yeah, I gotta get creative. And you know, I

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Speaker 1: don't want them to uh to get complacent, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: over confidence as a result. Um, I gotta try and

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Speaker 1: keep them on their toes and do whatever I can

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Speaker 1: to get the best out of them. It's what was

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Speaker 1: an example of something you can do to keep keep

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Speaker 1: them on their crow. Uh, just trying to stay step

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Speaker 1: ahead of those guys, and um, they do a good

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Speaker 1: job of staying of stuff ahead of me. You feel

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Speaker 1: like being around this type of group has helped you too,

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Speaker 1: just as a coach crow Oh absolutely, yeah, absolutely. Um

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Speaker 1: they're very knowledgeable as players, so it forces me to

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Speaker 1: know my information and know what I'm doing. So m yeah, Um,

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Speaker 1: I mean I don't know what it would have been

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Speaker 1: like if it was a younger group, but I feel

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Speaker 1: like they've definitely put me along in a good way

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Speaker 1: and brought me along. Steve Josh was saying how it

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Speaker 1: just kind of seems like some of the veteran guys

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Speaker 1: in the secondary take the younger guys under their way

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Speaker 1: and kind of make it feel like a family. And

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Speaker 1: when you look at how close those guys are, like

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Speaker 1: the Rutgers guys and whatnot, how do you feel like

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Speaker 1: that kind of adds a chemistry on the field with

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Speaker 1: the younger guys and the older guys too. Uh. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's just team camaraderie and it's really important.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's just a testament to those guys

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Speaker 1: as people. Um, you know, they just are looking out

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Speaker 1: for the younger brothers or younger players, you know, guys

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Speaker 1: beneath them and just trying to get the best out

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Speaker 1: of those guys. Then when you put that extra time in,

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Speaker 1: it naturally creates better personal bonds and you know, play

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Speaker 1: harder on the field for each other. So all that

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Speaker 1: stuff correlates creates a good camaraderie. But yeah, it's a

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Speaker 1: testament to those veteran guys and you guys when they

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Speaker 1: actually listen and have you definitely noticed that closeness I

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Speaker 1: mean coaching that people guys just yeah, I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: I was a part of it. When I played with

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Speaker 1: some of those guys in college. So um yeah, I've

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Speaker 1: seen it, seen it for a while from uh, the

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Speaker 1: Rutgers older guys and the older guys since I've been

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Speaker 1: here as a coach