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Speaker 1: Welcome one and all to the Hammer Territory Podcast. My

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Speaker 1: name is Sean Coleman. Hope, wherever you are and wherever

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Speaker 1: you are listening, I would say that it's your lucky

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Speaker 1: day because this is actually the second Hammer Territory production

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Speaker 1: of the day. And you would think that that would

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Speaker 1: be for positive reasons. But lo and behold when it

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Speaker 1: comes to the Braves, No, that's not how things work.

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Speaker 1: This is the full breakdown of the once again notable

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Speaker 1: yet negative news that we got concerning the Braves. Outfielder

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Speaker 1: DH Jerks and profar Reportedly nothing official as of yet

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Speaker 1: because the full process has to happen. Has been suspended

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Speaker 1: the whole season for ped use, his second ped suspension

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Speaker 1: that has occurred over the past year. Just just an

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Speaker 1: unbelievable development that I feel many are. Their first reaction

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Speaker 1: is just just how how can this happen? And it's

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Speaker 1: just hard to fathom. Scott Colman did a great job

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Speaker 1: of giving an instant breakdown earlier today, but here with

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Speaker 1: my podcast partner Stephen Tolbert, one of the best when

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Speaker 1: it comes to breaking down the Braves, we want to

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Speaker 1: go full into it. We want to go into what

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Speaker 1: exactly the details are that's going to come from this suspension,

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Speaker 1: what impact it has on the Braves, and how do

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Speaker 1: the Braves respond, how do they pivot to potentially be

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Speaker 1: able to, you know, deal with the year long loss

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Speaker 1: of Jerks and Profar. But Steven, let's get right into it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it just it's one of those things that

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Speaker 1: you just don't understand. I feel that that's the first

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Speaker 1: way to look at it. And there are the details

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Speaker 1: of what all comes from this concerning Profar in the Braves,

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Speaker 1: and then there's just the emotional reaction of how stupid

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Speaker 1: can you be?

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Speaker 2: What's up, buddy? So let's go through the details first.

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Speaker 2: We do want to I can hear Brad Rowland in

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Speaker 2: my head saying like, we do want to be a

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Speaker 2: level of professional about this, and lord knows, I'm the

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Speaker 2: least professional of the four of us. So let's at

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Speaker 2: least go through the details first. So about noon today

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Speaker 2: and Scott did a good job of breaking this down,

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Speaker 2: But in case you missed it, around noon today, Jeff

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Speaker 2: Passing of ESPN, the preeminent you know, reporter in baseball,

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Speaker 2: tweeted out that Joseph Profar was going to be serving

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Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty two game suspension for his second

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Speaker 2: failed PD test in as many years. Obviously, he failed

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Speaker 2: in well, we don't actually know when he failed, but

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Speaker 2: it was reported on that he failed last year around

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Speaker 2: like five days into the season. That was an eighty

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Speaker 2: game suspension. This is a second failed test, which just

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Speaker 2: carries a hundred sixty two games suspension full season. Now

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Speaker 2: I'm going to I'm going to say, I'm going to

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Speaker 2: give him a small benefit of the debt. The Braves

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Speaker 2: have not acknowledged this in any way, shape or form yet,

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Speaker 2: which is odd. Which is a little odd because like

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Speaker 2: last year when when Passing reported the Braves put out

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Speaker 2: a statement like within thirty minutes, we're like, yeah, we're

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Speaker 2: extremely disappointed in Jerksen, like you know, the normal stiff

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Speaker 2: you hear when this happens. It has been i mean

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Speaker 2: it's been like nine hours since this report. It was

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Speaker 2: reported by Passing, it was confirmed by Ken Rosehalt, so

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Speaker 2: literally the two biggest reporters in the sport have confirmed this.

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Speaker 2: The Braves have not said a word. Also notable, Mark

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Speaker 2: Bowman at no point today said anything. And Mark Bowman

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Speaker 2: and the reason that's important is because when Alex wants

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Speaker 2: to the beat writers, specifically Bowman, to get a message out,

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Speaker 2: we don't buy this. If it's a rumor he wants

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Speaker 2: then and then Rosevehalt came out and said that the

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Speaker 2: union is going to be appealing this, which I think

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Speaker 2: is mostly just I'm not gonna say performative, but it

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Speaker 2: is mostly just the process. I think the union has

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Speaker 2: there's nothing in profar As case that that specifically is

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Speaker 2: But the fact that the Braves have not said anything

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Speaker 2: to we're gonna say that upfront before we get to

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Speaker 2: We're going to say upfront that the Braves have not

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Speaker 2: in any way, shape or formed. They have not confirmed this,

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Speaker 2: This is just a report from Jeff Passon. But again,

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Speaker 2: so I want to cover our bases there. So that's

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Speaker 2: the professional stuff. What we're going to do now is

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Speaker 1: You've got the prepared Tobert technicalities. Now it's time for

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Speaker 1: the best part of the show, the unfiltered Tolbert takeaway.

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Speaker 2: There will be some filter because we do want to

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Speaker 2: keep our jobs. But I'm going to assume for the

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Speaker 2: next five minutes of what I'm about to say that

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Speaker 2: this is true and that he's going to serve one

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Speaker 2: hundred and sixty two games suspension for a second failed

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Speaker 2: PD test. This moron, How in the world, How in

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Speaker 2: the world do you fail a set like once? I okay,

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Speaker 2: you know a trainer gave me something. I was trying

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Speaker 2: to get my wife pregnant. They gave us some weird

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Speaker 2: pills whatever. You know that I believe all that stuff

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Speaker 2: when he said it. Not really, but all right, whatever,

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Speaker 2: that's fine. A second failed test, and again we're assuming

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Speaker 2: for this segment that this is all true, that the

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Speaker 2: What kind of a moron do you have to be

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Speaker 2: to put something in your system that you don't know

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Speaker 2: the biggest dumb ass on the face of the earth

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Speaker 2: and you actually thought that you could get away with this.

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Speaker 2: It's one of the two. You're either the biggest idiot

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Speaker 2: You're just the biggest idiot that's ever lived. And I

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Speaker 2: have zero respect for jerks and profar. That dude has

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Speaker 2: screwed the Braves over now twice. He's been on the

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Speaker 2: I saw some people given Alex, you know, grief about this,

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Speaker 2: like yes, in the binary fashion of anything that happens

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Speaker 2: under the Braves, that Alex is in charge of Alex

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Speaker 2: Alex's fault. On what world do you think you're gonna

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Speaker 2: how do you smart enough to put your pants on

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Speaker 2: take not to take more supple? I mean, it's crazy,

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Speaker 2: it's crazy. And of course this happens because being a

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Speaker 2: fan of the Atlanta Braves the last two years has

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Speaker 2: just been a It's been a circus. It is just

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Speaker 2: every day waking up thinking, I wonder what Annvilla is

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Speaker 2: and the Coyote. Like it doesn't make sense. How does

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Speaker 2: this happen every single year? How does it every week

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Speaker 2: we get to come on this show and do some brutal,

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Speaker 2: you know, emergency podcast because Austin Riley fell into farm equipment,

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Speaker 2: I don't know why we can't just have a normal

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Speaker 2: Jersey profar if you're listening to this, you are a moron.

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Speaker 2: You are an absolute moron. How are you this stupid?

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Speaker 2: I don't get it. I don't get it. If something

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Speaker 2: because you know, there was an error with the test

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Speaker 2: or something, then I'll retract, I'll apologize for all that.

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Speaker 2: But for right now, I'm gonna assume this is all

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you. I mean, and I have

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Speaker 1: seen some people, you know, they can't wrap their head

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Speaker 1: it's just one of those things where you just you

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Speaker 1: save yourself some grief and just accept that you can't

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Speaker 1: wrap your head around it.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: I think it's one of those situations.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's either the biggest cheater in the world

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Speaker 2: or the biggest moron in the world.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but let's put it into a bit more honest.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's put it into a bit more context book.

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Speaker 1: Jerks and Profar signed this contract with the Brakes on

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. Up to that point, jerks and Profar

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Speaker 1: nine years. In terms of service time, he'd earned roughly

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Speaker 1: that contract. He will have squandered twenty one million dollars

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Speaker 1: because of being busted for peds twice. And the other

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Speaker 1: he loses all that money. Everything that Jerks and Profar

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Speaker 1: Baseball Classic, playing baseball in general, fifteen million dollars, which

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Speaker 1: for his career earnings is life altering money, and also

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Speaker 1: playing in the playoffs. It's gone, it's done, and you

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Speaker 1: have likely you have likely wrote off the rest of

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Speaker 1: your career unless you've come back and just have an,

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Speaker 1: you know, absolutely outstanding season. That's what this comes down to.

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Speaker 1: It's a masterclass in stupidity, and it's to a level

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Speaker 1: that where if you're questioning it, it's probably just best

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Speaker 1: The one thing though, that I will say, Stephen, is

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Speaker 1: that while Jerks and Profar will be without the fifteen

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Speaker 1: the Braves actually will recoup that money and have it

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Speaker 1: will the season look without Jerks and Profar. We'll explore

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Speaker 2: like they welcomed him back with open arms. There was

431
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 2: a lot of cheering. There were some booze on his

432
00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 2: first like maybe game or two, but after that it

433
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 2: was too much all cheers and Profart played well when

434
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 2: he came back, But my guy, I would not expect

435
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 2: that a second time. I know. There's no if Again,

436
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 2: this entire show is predicated on Jeff Passon's reporting being accurate,

437
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 2: which is normally pretty safe. Bet if he's going to

438
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 2: serve one hundred and sixty two games, suspension for a

439
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 2: second felt p test. When he comes back, it will

440
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 2: be a I'm going to say, a very different reaction

441
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,879
Speaker 2: and I very warranted. And I don't know if he

442
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 2: would be welcome back in the Brads clubhouse. Honestly, I

443
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 2: wouldn't be surprised as Brace cut him, even though they

444
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 2: owe am still fifteen million for twenty twenty seven. I

445
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:40,879
Speaker 2: wouldn't be surprised to off they cut him. There might

446
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 2: be guys in the locker room just said I don't

447
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 2: want him, I don't want him here, and I wouldn't

448
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 2: blame him.

449
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:46,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, And and I mean, if you want to go

450
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,159
Speaker 1: back one of the the one of the off the

451
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 1: field moments that has stood out to me over the

452
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 1: past decade that just resonated with you know how important

453
00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,880
Speaker 1: you know players, you know, take the care and going

454
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,120
Speaker 1: about doing things the right way. Go back and look

455
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 1: at Mike Trout's reaction to what the Astros did back

456
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen. And the thing about it is is

457
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: that you do it once. It may be easier to understand,

458
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 1: like the Braves did with Profar, but the big thing

459
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 1: is you did the same thing again. Yeah, and Kevin

460
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 1: Pallar brought up a great point in that you doing

461
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 1: this multiple times is multiple opportunities taken away from other

462
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 1: players who are not on teams right now because their

463
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 1: production is compared to yours and your production is false.

464
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 1: It's not true.

465
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's and it's money, money that they don't have

466
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,439
Speaker 2: that you do. Yeah, now knowing well the Braves have it,

467
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 2: but yeah, I mean yeah, it's players get way more

468
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 2: mad about this than fans doing. Fans get mad as

469
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:52,879
Speaker 2: hell about it.

470
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, and that just goes back again to

471
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 1: the stupidity. You're not only you're not only losing money

472
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 1: that was already guaranteed, but you've just cost yourself another

473
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 1: payday down the road as well. Again, yeah, it just

474
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: makes very little sense. But do want to hit on

475
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: this point about the money that the Braves have, So

476
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: basically the one silver lining of this is that the

477
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,880
Speaker 1: Braves lose Profar for a year, but they do regain

478
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 1: his fifteen plus million, which, while right now options are

479
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: limited because of how close we are to the season,

480
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 1: that is a good that is a good pull to

481
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 1: act from when it comes to in the season. More

482
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 1: than likely, if there's going to be any significant development

483
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: from this it'll be in season because getting to how

484
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 1: the Braves go about approaching handling the dhpot and things

485
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,120
Speaker 1: like that. I think that the big thing is you've

486
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,360
Speaker 1: got Dominic Smith who's in camp right now. Last year

487
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: he had a one to nineteen WRC plus. I don't

488
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: mention Dominic Smith as being a guy that I'm saying, hey,

489
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 1: he can come in and probably replicate what jerks and

490
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 1: profile would provide you. That's not true at all. He's

491
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: just the most obvious name that if you didn't expect

492
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: for him to make the team now with the roster spot,

493
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 1: he potentially would since he's already in camp with the Braves.

494
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: Ben Gammel may be another name. And again, none of

495
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: those guys, and neither one of those guys inspires you.

496
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 1: There's no one out there in free agency who would

497
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 1: make sense. I mentioned the name Jesse Winker because he's

498
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 1: had pass success against right handed pitching. I know Andrew

499
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 1: mccutching is out there because he's done okay against left

500
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 1: handed pitching in recent years. But none of those guys

501
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 1: are more than just depth pieces, and you certainly don't

502
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: want to waste too much time expecting them to be

503
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: more than that so the most obvious way for the

504
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 1: Braves to go about handling this, though, is to figure

505
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,400
Speaker 1: out how they can get the most out of those

506
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 1: type of sources for the first fourth of the season,

507
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: for the first forty five games or so of the season,

508
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 1: and then once Hassan Kim as well as Sean Murphy

509
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 1: you're back in the fold again, you're going to need

510
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: for those those guys be closer to what they were

511
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 1: two years ago than what they have been over the

512
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 1: past couple of years. But getting into mid may just

513
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: kind of managing the situation till then until you get

514
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: Cam and Murphy back seems to be not necessarily the

515
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: most sensible, but the most likely approach to how you

516
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 1: move on from this.

517
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, listen, if you go with the Dominic

518
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 2: Smiths Andrew mccutchins of the world, those guys are all

519
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 2: projected to have like a ninety WRC plus for the season.

520
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 2: You know, in terms of a DH left field, that's

521
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 2: pretty abysmal. You're gonna end up being a pretty much

522
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 2: a zero maybe a point five war player. I mean,

523
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 2: just you know, that's exactly what you would expect for

524
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 2: somebody that's available on March third, somebody who's just not

525
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 2: very good, and listen, McCutcheon is beloved in the clubhouse,

526
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 2: and you might get lucky where you could maybe squeeze

527
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 2: out some platoon splits with with Alminic Smith or Andrew McCutcheon.

528
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 2: But the only way you're actually going to be able

529
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 2: to recoup any of the production that you just lost

530
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 2: is probably on the trade market, because anybody that could

531
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 2: give you that kind of sort of production that's was

532
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 2: on the free agent market has already been signed. They're

533
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 2: not just sitting out there, So you know, I don't

534
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:22,360
Speaker 2: know if you want to go through like a whole

535
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,479
Speaker 2: list of names, but like the as soon as this

536
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 2: came down, the first name, I thought it was Yandy

537
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 2: Diaz from Tampa because one his name was in trade

538
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 2: rumors all off season. I actually thought he was going

539
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 2: to get traded this winter because he's in the last

540
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 2: year of his deal. He makes like nine million bucks,

541
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 2: which is expensive for the Rays, and they almost always

542
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 2: trade guys when they're this close to free agents. Actually

543
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 2: they pretty much always do, not all, not almost always,

544
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:53,959
Speaker 2: basically always, so I thought Yandi would get traded if

545
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 2: the Braves just wanted a DH type Yandy can hit, Yeah,

546
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 2: but he's a DH probably a you know, he could

547
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 2: probably fake it at first base and just let Yastremski

548
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 2: and Eli White platoon and left field and just have

549
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 2: Yandi be r DH. I don't know, that might just

550
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 2: be too restrictive on the roster, while Weiss has already

551
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 2: talked about having that dhpot being opened. But listen, it's

552
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,719
Speaker 2: a different world than it was when you made those comments.

553
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,959
Speaker 2: We're in a different situation. So Marcelo is Uno, unfortunate,

554
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 2: has already been signed. I saw somebody's asked, could the

555
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 2: race trade for Marcel? I'm pretty sure there's a role

556
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 2: in place now. Because of the qualifying off for stuff,

557
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 2: you guys who signed free agent contracts can't be traded

558
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 2: until the June middle of June, so you know, the

559
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 2: trade market for guys who've already been on rosters is

560
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 2: probably the way to go. Yandi was the first name

561
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 2: I thought of. The Oils have been reportedly trying to

562
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: trade Ryan mount Castle for the last probably two weeks,

563
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 2: three weeks. That's a guy that you can at least

564
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 2: dream on some upside, right. I think he can also

565
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 2: play the outfield a little bit if I remember correctly.

566
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 2: I'm not a I'm not an expert on the Orioles roster,

567
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 2: but I think he's played a little bit of outfield.

568
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 2: But that's probably what you're looking at. If you want

569
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 2: to actually try to find someone who could potentially match

570
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 2: the production that you just lost, you're probably gonna have

571
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 2: to trade, because unless you just catch lightning in a bottle, right,

572
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 2: every once in a while you sign a you know,

573
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 2: you sign a guy off the scrap heap and he

574
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 2: goes crazy, like the you know, Ramon Loreano from a

575
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 2: couple of years ago. Sometimes you get lucky and that happens.

576
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 2: And maybe that happens if you sign Andrew McCutcheon, he

577
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 2: has one last great year. I just wouldn't count on that.

578
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 2: I think the Brave's best chance to recoup any of

579
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 2: the actual production now they get all the money back.

580
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 2: This is not really a money thing, but we're talking

581
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 2: about production. The only way to recoup the production, as

582
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 2: much of it as possible is probably gonna be through

583
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 2: the trade market. And again, it's it's tough to convince

584
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 2: a team to start waving the white flag and trading

585
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 2: players away in spring training. I mean, they're trying to

586
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 2: sell tickets too, so it's easier said than done.

587
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, a couple of the names out there that we've

588
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: heard trade rumors on, or at least you know there

589
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: there you could see the teams you are potentially moving

590
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: on from them, you know, if it made sense. The

591
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: Boston Red Sox their outfield situation. Yeah, Yoshida's got He's

592
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: got eight million left for the next two years. He's

593
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: not the level of hit or that Profar is, and

594
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: so I don't really think that makes sense. Isaac parodies

595
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: from from the Astros. He's mainly a third baseman. A

596
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: lot of his value is in how he builds third base.

597
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 2: That's a horrible It's a horrible park.

598
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, not not not the park.

599
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 2: Would be a miserable place for him as much as

600
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 2: he pulls the.

601
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: Ball in the one name and this is probably more

602
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: towards you could see the way of the white flag

603
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: early Joe Adell of the Angels. You know, there were

604
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: some trade rumors out there. I think they were more

605
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: hot and heavy before Taylor Ward was traded to the Orioles.

606
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: But but you know, Ryan mount Cowso is a good

607
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: call out. I think that he could certainly make I.

608
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,080
Speaker 2: Just know that the Orioles have been actively trying to

609
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 2: trade him agree so, and I don't know if the

610
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 2: Race have been actively trying to trade YONDI Diaz, but

611
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 2: I can guarantee you the Rays would absolutely trade him

612
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 2: right now if you made them a good enough offer.

613
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,959
Speaker 2: Like there, they work. They're different than every organization. They

614
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 2: don't really care about negative fan reaction about trade. Their

615
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 2: fans are used to guys getting traded. That happens every year.

616
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 2: So they're a team that would I think trade with

617
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 2: you right now as long as you messed Matt met

618
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 2: their price.

619
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I could see that happening. But the one

620
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: thing that I implore the Braves to understand, you can't

621
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: sit on that fifteen million dollars. If you sit on

622
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: that fifteen dollars and do nothing, that is that's going

623
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: to be in and of itself inexplication.

624
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 2: And there is Listen, there is an argument, and Scott

625
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 2: brought this up. I think Scott brought this up. Maybe

626
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 2: it was maybe it was somebody else I was listening to.

627
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 2: I think it might have been Scott. But there is

628
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 2: an argument for like, all right, we can't use the

629
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 2: fifteen million dollars on the offense, there's somebody out there,

630
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 2: go go use this fifty million dollars and shure up

631
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 2: the pitching staff and trying to, you know, try to

632
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 2: build it back the other way. So like Lucas Giolito

633
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 2: signing would not surprise me at all. Indirect response to this,

634
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 2: Jeff Passen was talking about it on that Yeah, it

635
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 2: was passing. Yeah, that's right, it was, and it.

636
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: Makes perfect sense. That's my whole point is that, yes,

637
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: I could certainly understand going out and trading for a hitter.

638
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead and mention his name because the

639
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: Twins are very much one of those teams that can

640
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: fall off as well. You've got fifteen million freedomp. Go

641
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: talk with the Twins about Byron Buxton. You have every

642
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: reason to do that. Go all in, do it this

643
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: three year with you. You kind of have a de

644
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: facto three year window with how many of these older

645
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: players are signed for three more years. Go add one

646
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: more to it, and you want to talk about someone

647
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: that could be even better than Profar, it's Byron Buxton. Now,

648
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: the asking price just went up, right, so it still

649
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: may be prohibitive, but at least ask because now at

650
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: least you have the money to be able to make

651
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: it happen for this year, and obviously you can figure

652
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: out twenty seven if it happens, and twenty eight beyond that.

653
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: But that's my biggest point of all, is that Profar

654
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 1: no longer an option. He there's a good chance he's

655
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: played his last game as a Brave. But for this year,

656
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: when you have every reason to go all in as possible,

657
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: You've just had fifteen to eighteen million fall in your lap.

658
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: Your team is now weaker than it was. You've got

659
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: to make moves to do something. Don't need something just

660
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: to do it, but use that money wisely. You're so

661
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 1: focused so making sure that if you spend money, you

662
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 1: get value out of it. Now you've got a good

663
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 1: deal of money going into the season, there are sensible

664
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,240
Speaker 1: options out there. Go make moves to make your team better,

665
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: whether it's signing Lucas Gilto, whether it's trading for Riyandi Diaz.

666
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: Do something significant with this money that you have, because

667
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 1: if you don't, if you don't use that money, it's

668
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: very unlikely that all the things that you need to

669
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: work out for what you currently have to work with

670
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: is going to happen. Yeah, that's just a simple truth.

671
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:14,959
Speaker 2: And I mentioned h I mentioned Passing was on Local Ready,

672
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 2: I'm not I don't live in Georgia, so I don't

673
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 2: I don't know the name of all the shows, but

674
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 2: he went on one of us. It was six eighty

675
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 2: six eighty Yeah. I can't remember the actual name of

676
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 2: the show. It was the Italians. Yeah, basically, but I

677
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 2: would say, go listen to that, like he was on

678
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 2: there for like twenty twenty five minutes something like that.

679
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 2: And at no point did he waiver on any of

680
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 2: his reporting, like even though the Braves haven't confirmed this

681
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 2: and MLB hasn't confirmed this, at no point was did

682
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 2: he was he like, well, well, you know, he basically

683
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 2: just said, this is going to happen, like this is

684
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 2: like we're trying to be responsible because we don't have

685
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 2: actual confirmation yet, so we do have to have a

686
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 2: some level of responsibility here. But the way Passon was

687
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 2: talking in the radio interview was this is gonna happen,

688
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 2: like you don't you know there unless he's I think

689
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 2: the actual phrase he used was unless JERKSI PROFI has

690
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 2: the smoking guns of all smoking guns that no one

691
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 2: has ever seen before in any of these appeals, This

692
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty games suspension is going to happen.

693
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: So Jeff Passon would not have gone on in a

694
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: Braves centric source without having all the competence in the

695
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: world that he's reporting what was absolutely on.

696
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 2: And his source is almost one hundred percent Yes, yeah,

697
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:33,280
Speaker 2: the league itself.

698
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 1: Not only would he not have reported it, he would

699
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 1: not have taken the extra step to go on to

700
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: Breeve centric.

701
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 2: So you know, I know there're still fans holding out

702
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 2: hope that maybe something's up here, and the fact that

703
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 2: the Braves haven't said anything that maybe you know, you

704
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 2: wish upon a star and somebody got you know, a

705
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 2: bad sample or something. But listening to the and that's

706
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 2: why I said, go listen to that radio spot that

707
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 2: he did. He did not waiver at all. And again

708
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 2: this is the number one reporter in the sport. So

709
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 2: I just I would just prepare yourself that probably sometime

710
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 2: tomorrow we're gonna get the blue square that says the

711
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 2: Braves are extremely disappointed in Jerseer Profar and blah blah

712
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:13,720
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. So you know, it sucks Jerseer Profar

713
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 2: is a moron. I can't believe how stupid that guy is.

714
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 2: I don't expect him to be welcome back in the

715
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 2: clubhouse this time. I would not be surprised. All the

716
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 2: bridge is cut him and just said, hell, you know,

717
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 2: we'll figure out the fifteen million dollars will owe you

718
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 2: next year. We'll figure out later. I don't know that

719
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 2: you can bring him back. He if you brought him

720
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 2: back next year, I mean he'd get booed, just unmercifully.

721
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 2: I mean he should be. You know, I didn't blew

722
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 2: him last time because enough time had passed, and you know,

723
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 2: I thought maybe he could have been a you know,

724
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 2: an honest mistake. No, nobody's gonna have no. He doesn't

725
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 2: get that benefit of doubt anymore. You pop two tests,

726
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 2: that's you're just a cheater. That's what it is. So God,

727
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 2: it sucks. I'm very curious to see what the braves

728
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 2: doing response. I agree with you one hundred percent. The

729
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 2: one thing you cannot do is sit on that money

730
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 2: and pocket that money and just say, yeah, well, you

731
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 2: know our shareholders are happier. You got to go make

732
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 2: the team better now, because again you still got the

733
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 2: Spencer Strider question hanging out there. I mean, you still

734
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 2: got Ronaldo Lopez questions and even Grant Holmes question like,

735
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 2: the reason you didn't upgrade the offense the starting rotation

736
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 2: was because of how deep your offense was. Well, now

737
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 2: you're the depth of your offense just took I mean,

738
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 2: just just lost an entire leg. So you gotta go

739
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 2: spend this money they should have been looking to add

740
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 2: even before this. Now with this, go make the team

741
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 2: better somehow.

742
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll end on this note.

743
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 2: Jeff Passing.

744
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,720
Speaker 1: You know again we reference him because there's a reason

745
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: why he's the most trusted source in the game. And

746
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: when it comes to news, and he brought it up

747
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: in that six't eighty interview, the Braves are have more

748
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:58,399
Speaker 1: questions than any team.

749
00:38:58,640 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, you're right, he said that.

750
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: But he also said he couldn't quit the brace, which

751
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: I agree with as well, because if so many of

752
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: those questions are answered the right way, you've got a

753
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: true contender. But the thing that I'll end with is

754
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: this is again, your abundance of being able to answer

755
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: those questions are more is more available now than it

756
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 1: has been in years. As well. What I'm talking about

757
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: is that one of the big storylines of spring training

758
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 1: has been how well some of your youngsters look Jr. Richie,

759
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 1: John Hill of Owen, Murphy, Diego, Torns, others. You've got

760
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: the chance to replenish your farm system even further to

761
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: a level that you haven't had in years when it

762
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: comes to this draft, right, and you've got extra money

763
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:52,760
Speaker 1: to work with as well. Yeah, use those resources. Stop

764
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 1: being reluctant, Stop being resistant. You don't have that luxury anymore.

765
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 1: What you now have is a reason to go all

766
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: in when you truly are trying to contend. The need

767
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: is there. You need to make it happen. And because

768
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: now your resources. Again, I know that it sucks that

769
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: were to this point, but you have more resources than

770
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: you've had entering a season in a long time. But

771
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: you also now have more reason to use them make

772
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: it happen.

773
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, this is one of those you know, Alex

774
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 2: always says you can't make moves in response to stuff

775
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 2: because it's it ends up being reactionary. But I just

776
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 2: don't I don't know. You just can't sit on your

777
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 2: hands here, Yeah, because you're one more picture in jury.

778
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 2: I mean, if you know Spencer Stredder. In two more

779
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 2: weeks with Spencer, Strider is still strolling ninety two miles

780
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 2: an hour, which, by the way, we were gonna I

781
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,479
Speaker 2: was gonna talk about Spencer to night. Obviously it got

782
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 2: it got replaced by something more pressing. But like, if

783
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 2: Spencer's still throwing ninety two ninety three in a couple

784
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 2: of weeks, I mean, I'm not saying he can't be

785
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 2: a decent picture, but like the idea that he was

786
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 2: going to be your number two pitcher is probably gone.

787
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 2: So like you gotta go add, you gotta add something,

788
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 2: and I think you need to add a bat. I

789
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 2: think you need to add Giolito and a bat quite honestly.

790
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 2: You know, Alex said they had money to spend even

791
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 2: before this profar stuff. Now you got an extra fifteen

792
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 2: I think it actually ends up being like eighteen million

793
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 2: when you count in the luxury Oh and that was

794
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 2: another question people had. I got like three of those

795
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 2: questions today.

796
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: Does it count.

797
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 2: Does not count against the luxury tax? It comes off

798
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 2: the luxury tax as well as the cash payroll because

799
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 2: his AAV moves to zero for this season, so you're

800
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 2: not charged luxury tax. Dollars for a suspended player, So

801
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 2: the Braves get the savings on the cash payroll, but

802
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 2: they also get the savings on the luxury tax payroll.

803
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 2: So the Braves have the full weight and power of

804
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 2: that money at their disposal now to reallocate anywhere they want. Now,

805
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 2: obviously it's so late in the game, there's not a

806
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 2: lot of places to do that, but gi Alito is

807
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 2: a really obvious place to start. And then I'd probably

808
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 2: try to call around and try to grab one of

809
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 2: these decent hitters that can you know, you know, Yondi

810
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 2: Diaz can sit in the fifth spot in your order

811
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 2: and you're not like, it's not crazy, Like he can

812
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 2: produce there. And there's some other guys that maybe have

813
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,399
Speaker 2: a little upside that you can dream on. I don't

814
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 2: know if Andrew McCutchen is the name i'd go with.

815
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 2: That's the name everybody's gonna say. I get it. I

816
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 2: get why because he's available as a free agent. There's

817
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 2: a reason he's a free agent though, So the same

818
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 2: thing with Dominic Smith. I don't really it depresses me

819
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 2: to even go down that road. So let's go spend

820
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 2: that money add to the roster and try to flip

821
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 2: this back into a positive where you can reallocate these

822
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 2: resources to other places on the roster.

823
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, more reason than ever.

824
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 2: To go all in and dr profile you are a moron, More.

825
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: Reason than ever to go all in, and more resources

826
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,280
Speaker 1: than you've had in a long time to make it happen.

827
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: Let's make it happen. For Steven Tolbert, you can buy

828
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 1: him at b Underscore Outliers on Twitter slash x. If

829
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: I were a betting man, which I occasionally am, i

830
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 1: would say that this is not the last time in

831
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: the next twenty four hours that Steven Tolbert will use

832
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: the word more on. You could also find me at

833
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: Stat's sac on Twitter. This is depressing. I'm tired of

834
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: doing this?

835
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 2: How many of how many shows are like this? Have

836
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 2: we done of the last time.

837
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 1: I love doing podcasts. I love doing these podcasts. I

838
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: love the Braves, I love covering this team, and I

839
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: love having content. Just simply want for it to be

840
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 1: more positive moving through. Until next time, Go Braves. We'll

841
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: talk to you again soon here on the Hammer Territory

842
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: podcast