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Speaker 1: Nor where you stand with on X all right Josh Karney.

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Speaker 1: The first thing we gotta talk about, Um, you years

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Speaker 1: old and here on my birthday today, I turned forty,

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Speaker 1: and you're the first thing you're gonna do is tell

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Speaker 1: me about how I suck at turkey? Calm, How are

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Speaker 1: you having right to this day? No? Yeah, I want

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Speaker 1: I wanted this clearly around. I listen. Yeah, I reckon,

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Speaker 1: I had never Um, yeah, just tell me about it.

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Speaker 1: Just hit me, just hit me, hit me. I'm up

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Speaker 1: because my birthday, So hit me back down again. Man,

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Speaker 1: give me a good formal critique, Like I'm like, what

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Speaker 1: am my? What? What areas should I most strive to improve? Man? Um,

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Speaker 1: I just don't want to break your heart like this

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Speaker 1: is do it? Break break it up like like if

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Speaker 1: you're gonna give me um, just trying to make it

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Speaker 1: like trying to make it seem like you're not being mean,

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Speaker 1: but like you're being helpful. Okay, Um, your turkey call

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Speaker 1: is not supposed to sound like a drowning duck in

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Speaker 1: a pool of um sewage. Yeah, okay, that's helpful. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, like you, I'm just trying to help you out.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you're going to see duck hunt and

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Speaker 1: that's appropriate. But what your turkey calling? You know, just

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Speaker 1: it's cluck cluck perr. Not hit me with a beautiful

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Speaker 1: turkey call. Oh man, here he goes. It's my style, dude.

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Speaker 1: I love it with no assistance from calls whatsoever. Sands call,

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Speaker 1: no diet p rams, no way tax involved, no see

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Speaker 1: um uh turkey call company tried to uh like, man,

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Speaker 1: you're really good. Like if I could say you had

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Speaker 1: to make a lot of money, as I think this

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Speaker 1: prostitution human traffy is not thinking that about for you know, Um,

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Speaker 1: I I didn't mean to hit you that with this

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Speaker 1: one when he came in, but but I had Uh.

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Speaker 1: I became interested in you. Yeah years ago though. Um

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Speaker 1: so you're saying you should been stalking me for a while. No,

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Speaker 1: I happy. I stumbled into you and it was here

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Speaker 1: like right now, we're in National Tennessee or at the

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Speaker 1: National Wall Turkey Federation Annual Convention, um, the big show.

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Speaker 1: And years ago I was here and you were you

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Speaker 1: were just like on the show floor and there's a

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Speaker 1: and I remember being like, how in the world does

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Speaker 1: I just did various bits of research and looked in

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Speaker 1: you tell it again and then talk about your life

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Speaker 1: after that. But uh, explain a little bit so two

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Speaker 1: than that. So I always grew up honey, right, I

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Speaker 1: mean that was my passion growing up. And when I

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Speaker 1: terrible place to live on cotton tills, don't there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if you can avoid cotton mouse, it's uh, it's a

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Speaker 1: What else did you got? What else did you guys hunt? Like,

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Speaker 1: We had square dogs that actually had competition score dogs. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: guys have like raccoon dogs and stuff. Yeah. So my

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Speaker 1: So you had obviously separate dogs, right, yeah. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: we had UM. We had beagles for rabbit dogs. We

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Speaker 1: mean we got hate mailk twice a week. It wasn't bad,

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Speaker 1: I mean, but it was. It was one of those

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Speaker 1: like today's society and generation like that's frowned up on

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Speaker 1: deerhead in his yard. And that's sort of disgusting. It's

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Speaker 1: So funny story that just actually happened last what's to day, Thursday?

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Speaker 1: So it happened Sunday. So I just moved through Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: So I got an apartment here. Um I was coming

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Speaker 1: So it had just knits, snowed, the ground's wet, everything

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Speaker 1: So I pulled in side road. I backed my truck

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Speaker 1: I thought I could lift it by myself. It turns

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Speaker 1: and I was thinking, how can you close an entire county. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I finally get all to take care of the next day,

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Speaker 1: next day, buddy of mine comes over and uh, we're

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Speaker 1: trying to figure out what we're gonna clean his deer at.

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Speaker 1: Literally we take it to my apartment, through the house

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Speaker 1: and skintting on the porch. That's good thinking. Yeah, if

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Speaker 1: dude's name? Yeah, I just running this dude in the place.

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Speaker 1: By the way, my name is John Travolta. Yeah, Well

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Speaker 1: show me where it says that in the least, you know. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: was it a bucker dough. It was a small dude,

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Speaker 1: So you got to the freezer. Oh yeah, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: have a it's probably backtraps this weekend. You got a girlfriend, No,

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Speaker 1: I do not know, so you don't have anybody cooking

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Speaker 1: gonna burn his deer. Just let you know. So let's

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Speaker 1: I don't know how it's happened, but they dropped me

423
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 1: on a helicopter, so like on the like the guaranty

424
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 1: would ever transform me. They dropped me on a helicopter.

425
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 1: My head hit the base of it and it it

426
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 1: put a I don't know, it messed my head up.

427
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,159
Speaker 1: Like so if I ever take my hat off, like

428
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 1: I have a big um like a big missing spot

429
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,480
Speaker 1: in the scar in the back of my head. It's

430
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 1: like my memory is like very bad it from it

431
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:05,400
Speaker 1: really so so what like what's the state of your

432
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 1: father while this is going on? Honestly, couldn't tell you.

433
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:16,680
Speaker 1: I mean I wasn't. I wasn't. I just can't. I

434
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 1: it was it just your dad as your mom around

435
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,639
Speaker 1: to my mom's around. My whole family is there. But

436
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 1: I mean being in the hospital of so long, I

437
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 1: mean I was on so much medication and you know

438
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 1: the fact that I couldn't even remember stuff. I don't know.

439
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I got you. So you mean like during

440
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 1: this month or three months, you don't know what your

441
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 1: father or stayed was you're trying to stay alive. Yeah,

442
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,119
Speaker 1: I mean, I just, I mean I knew that I

443
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 1: had people come visit me. I mean I I vagualely

444
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,919
Speaker 1: remember people come to visit me. Um. But other than that,

445
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 1: I think I was so medicated that I slept most

446
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,680
Speaker 1: of it. I mean I just either that or I've

447
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 1: blocked it out mentally. And I just I just, like

448
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 1: I said, honestly don't know. So at what point did

449
00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:01,880
Speaker 1: it become There's kind of two transitions. I'm curious about

450
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 1: what point did it become that you that the dust

451
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 1: settles and you know that probably barring some kind of

452
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 1: medical you know, breakthrough that doesn't yet exists, you'd like

453
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 1: probably never walk again. Uh when do you know that

454
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 1: to be true? And then when how long goes by

455
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 1: before you're sort of like ready to attack life again.

456
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,719
Speaker 1: So the doctors came in and UH said, you know

457
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 1: you've been shot. You know you're paralyzed. You want me

458
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 1: to walk again. But it's I'm not fully paralyzed. Like

459
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 1: the bullet. It's severed my sponic corp but didn't cut

460
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 1: it all the way. So it's the body super weird.

461
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 1: Um So like I can like feel things, I just

462
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 1: can't walk. Oh, but it's not like a normal touch.

463
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 1: It's more like a tangling sensation. It's like for a

464
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 1: spontic cordage. I can't regulate my body tempature. So if

465
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 1: I get hot, it's like I'm you about to pass out,

466
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 1: And I stay cold all time, even if it's like

467
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 1: seventy degrees and wind blows because the spinal cord and

468
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 1: I just can't regulate my bodies because it doesn't send

469
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,919
Speaker 1: those signals to my brain correctly. That's something I've never

470
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 1: thought about before. No, no, So I mean I always

471
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,360
Speaker 1: say it just being like a movement thing. I never

472
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 1: think about it being like other other functions. It message,

473
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 1: it message your whole body up. I mean it just

474
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 1: because I mean those the nerves that it trans it

475
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,400
Speaker 1: goes to your brain and it sends it back down

476
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 1: to wherever, you know, even your fingers or like you

477
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,199
Speaker 1: want to move your legs, that all trans goes up

478
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,640
Speaker 1: your you know. That's I guess it's like a railroad

479
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 1: going back up to your brain. You know. Just if

480
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: that if it's cut, there's no signal, it can't receive that,

481
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 1: so you just don't work. Do you are you able to? Um? Like,

482
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,640
Speaker 1: like if you say you imagine you want to move

483
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 1: your leg, do you are you at this point remember

484
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,400
Speaker 1: like what that felt like to like without thinking about

485
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 1: you like go to move your leg and it would move,

486
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: like you still have the sense that you can make

487
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 1: like the impulse to do it, but it just isn't answered.

488
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 1: So have you ever heard like like you think it's

489
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 1: called phantom like phantom pains. It's more like that. But

490
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: I still have my limbs so I can like feel it,

491
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: but it doesn't really do anything. So I guess like

492
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: mentally it's there, but physically it's not so and it's aggravating.

493
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,360
Speaker 1: It's it's very aggravating. Um oh, I can only imagine.

494
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 1: I never like when I first started doing therapy, I

495
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: could have a little bit of like movement in my feet.

496
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: Um intentional movement, yes, but I just I guess being

497
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,479
Speaker 1: in a chair for so long, my muscles just tightened

498
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 1: up so much that he just I don't know if

499
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 1: he just doesn't I don't know if it's my muscles

500
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: just too tight, they just can't get the signal, can't

501
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 1: get there. I have no and I don't understand it.

502
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,880
Speaker 1: So just one of those deals where I just we're

503
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: all with it and keep going. Uh. Okay, of the

504
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 1: second part, after your accident, you get clear about what

505
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,199
Speaker 1: your future is gonna look like that you're probably it's

506
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 1: robbly hard to comprehend, but how many months or years

507
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 1: goes by before you sort of are like that, You're

508
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: back in like you're alive, You're a human being here

509
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: on earth. There's ship you gotta do right, You're gonna

510
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 1: like you gotta resume school, find a way to enjoy yourself.

511
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: Like what is the gap? Like two weeks I got

512
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: to the hospital and uh two weeks two weeks after

513
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: me now the house whenever, right back, honey, no ship, Yeah,

514
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,880
Speaker 1: you gotta be toughier. Who stupid? Who did that decision?

515
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 1: It was me? So um the thing was like I

516
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: was being babied so much and I didn't like that,

517
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 1: you know, and um, maybe which is one of those

518
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: deals where I just like I don't want to be

519
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 1: baby like that stuff happens, Like I'm not gonna be

520
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 1: sitting here and be someone's like burden. And that's what

521
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: I felt like. I felt like a burden to my

522
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 1: family's take care of me. I mean, that's just my

523
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: whole life just changed. So, um, one day my mom

524
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 1: was in the house. I was like, look, I went

525
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 1: hut and she's like what and she was like, I

526
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: will finish killing you, like you're you're not going hunting

527
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: like so, uh, that day I made her very mad

528
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 1: because I went back hunting in the wheelchair obviously. So

529
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: from that point, I had to uh learn how to adapt.

530
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's it was a hell of a

531
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 1: challenge and it still is, you know nowadays. But going

532
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: from like using your limbs and then like transferring to

533
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: a chair and trying to figure out how to get

534
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: across logs and rocks and stuff like that, that's hard

535
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: as hell. Like that's challenging, but that challenge is what

536
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: drives me, Like, that's what makes me want to do more,

537
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: like if I see something that I can't do or

538
00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: I feel like it's not in the card, like that

539
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: makes me insane, Like that makes me want to do

540
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: it even more so going out after the accident that

541
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: made my drive and pass. We're honey so much more.

542
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: This guy, this sounds like a dumb Maybe it's not

543
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: a dumb question if you can think about it this way.

544
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: What you know, you're only thirteam when you when you

545
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: were injured, But what percent, like what percentage of the

546
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: places right that you might normally have gone became just

547
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:34,239
Speaker 1: inaccessible to you? I mean, yeah, yeah, so you were

548
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: off stopping through the swamp and oh yeah, it's I

549
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: mean honestly, like I could roll through the yard. I

550
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: was gonna ask, like your home situation, yea, Like did

551
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: your dad have to do some serious carpentry work on

552
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: the bomb? Yeah, I mean I had to like get

553
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: a ramp and like like everything had to be modified.

554
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: I mean just I mean the house at stairs had

555
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: to get a ramp or um widden bathroom doors or

556
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: whiten doors for um, the bedroom where um making cabinets

557
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: lower for me to get into them, and stuff like that.

558
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: I mean, like everything at that moment changed. I mean

559
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: it's one of those things where you go from you know,

560
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 1: having a normal life to like you mean it's pretty

561
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: much having to depend on someone or have things accessible

562
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,479
Speaker 1: for you, um and your lifestyle. I mean it's just

563
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: like in a instant, it just changed. So I mean,

564
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: like saying your daily activities. You know, if I just

565
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: wanted to you know, get up and go take shower whatever,

566
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: I mean, it took me a lot longer to just

567
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: to do that, um, like getting dressed. I mean it

568
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: make may have taken me, you know, three minutes to

569
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,479
Speaker 1: get dressed normally. I mean that transferred their fifteen minutes.

570
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: You know, just because I have I have to pretty

571
00:30:54,600 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: much my arms and my my my arms and my

572
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: my crutch for my legs too. So it just it

573
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: just makes it a lot, makes things a lot harder.

574
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: I think transferring from like my chair to a car

575
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: to a tub or two, the mad all that made

576
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: it so much challenging. And then liked thirteen years old,

577
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: like I was a scrawning kid, Like I didn't have

578
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: much at all to throw my weight around. So I

579
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: mean it just it made everything that much more challenging.

580
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: What was how was your dad doing like, like, once

581
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,479
Speaker 1: it was clear that you were okay and you were

582
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: ready to get back on it, was your dad just

583
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: so guilt ridden that he was he wasn't able to

584
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: function or was he able to be a dad, to

585
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: do a good job being a dad despite that guilt. Honestly,

586
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: I really I don't know. I mean, like, once I

587
00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: started getting back into, um, the hunting side of things,

588
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,959
Speaker 1: I think that it made him a little bit easier

589
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: about situation, knowing that I wasn't letting it stop me.

590
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: So I think that was like a settling point. I mean, obviously,

591
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure you in the back of his mind,

592
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: you know, he's like, okay, well he goes this is

593
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: you know, because of me. Um. I mean, I'm pretty

594
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: sure you had guilt for that, But that time period,

595
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: I just I just don't remember that much. Do you think, like,

596
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: looking back on it, do you think that um, for

597
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: a dad in a situation like that, do you think

598
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: it's better for the dad to just carry on and

599
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: be strong or do you or do you think of

600
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: someone wants to see the guilt. Honestly, I don't. I mean,

601
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: it's life, life happens. I mean, no, you you have

602
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: no control of the cards, So holding yourself at blame

603
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: and being guilty or having that guilty conscious about it.

604
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: I mean, of course, you know you're gonna think about

605
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: it's gonna beaning back of your head and all that stuff,

606
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: because you know that's that's life. You're here human, that's

607
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen. But I don't think. I think guilt

608
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: will um drive you to an early grave if you

609
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: let it. And I think him seeing me push forward

610
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: and not letting it get a hold of me made

611
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: him a lot stronger. Oh that's an interesting way you're

612
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: looking at it. Yeah, did what was your feeling about?

613
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,959
Speaker 1: And you've been injured by a firearm, But I mean

614
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: you started hunting right away. You didn't have any sort

615
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: of like you didn't have um fear of or anger

616
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: towards toting a shotgun around the woods, like you didn't

617
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: look at it like, man, that's the thing that almost

618
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: took my life. Actually I did. I kind of had

619
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: like a honestly steals it this day, I'm very weary

620
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: around some firearms. That's why I love both hunting so much.

621
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just I've got to bow hunting. I

622
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: think it's like fifteen sixteen, and I just really stuck

623
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: with it. I mean, I don't try a lot of people. Gods,

624
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: it's not it's not the it's not the fact that

625
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: I don't trust them. It's just the fact that it's

626
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,439
Speaker 1: it's a man made item and anything you're wrong ang time.

627
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: So I mean, I guess I kind of have a

628
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 1: little bit of PTSD towards it. But that's understandable. I mean, yeah,

629
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 1: I could also understand you said, and I never went

630
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: in the woods again. Yeah, now, but I um, but

631
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: even I'll carry I'll shoot an animal to rifle me.

632
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: That doesn't bother me. But still at certain points, like

633
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: it's just I just I have that PTSD. They just

634
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: like that that mental images in my head. I just

635
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: sometimes just freaks me out. Board than anything to tell

636
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: people about, Um, how you became interested in in turkey

637
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 1: calling and realized that somehow you're injury like manifested in

638
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: such a way that you were able to have this

639
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 1: like super special talent. How that's easy. I didn't have

640
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: friends growing up. I'm just joking. So, um, well, I

641
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:10,720
Speaker 1: didn't know if you could tell me that your friends

642
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: bailed on you because you were in a wheelchair. I

643
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: don't know, no, uh, then the herd a little bit. Yeah,

644
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: so uh in high school, like I was like, like

645
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: the cafeteria is like half a mile from the school.

646
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: It's like I had to get people to like push

647
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: me down to the cafeteria. Stuff like that just became

648
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 1: a pain. Like I felt like it was such a

649
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: bird to like my friends and family. So I just

650
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: I think my high school years started making me very

651
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: independent and I'm grateful for that. Like really, yeah, I'm

652
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 1: super grateful that, um because the fact is, like I

653
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: live by the school. Like you don't know who you

654
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: are as a person until you were absolutely alone, and

655
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:59,280
Speaker 1: you know I was. I guess I was comfortable, um

656
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: being a dependent there, like depending on someone until I

657
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: didn't have that someone and then figure out who I

658
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: was as a person and leaning on myself more. Becoming

659
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: more independent made me truly, um, like I don't know,

660
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: it made me super interested in myself, like my capabilities,

661
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: like what makes me tick? Like what's my passion with

662
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: drives me? And I think that's what, um, those high

663
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: school years did to me, because I mean I had friends,

664
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: but I had to fend for myself. You know, um,

665
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: I had people, my friends are going to lunch and

666
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,240
Speaker 1: just you know it's like, oh, you know, we forgot

667
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: about Josh. And I'm like, all right, cool, I'm sitting

668
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: here waiting on somebody to help me with launch. You know,

669
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: it's already an hour pass and I still it eating.

670
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 1: So you know, I just it built me. It started

671
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: building my character. Um so I'm appreciative of that. Oh

672
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: but man, I can imagine that just by no fault

673
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: of your own, it could just is easily destroy your character. Man,

674
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: some people, no, I mean your person becoming just like uh,

675
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: sociopathics not the right works that has like such a

676
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: I guess, like just like losing faith in people. Yeah.

677
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: So I mean I was, you know, early on in

678
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: my my years, I was at that point like I

679
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: was how I was in such a bad place I was,

680
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 1: you know, I felt like I was a bird everybody.

681
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I've contplated suicide. I mean I went through

682
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 1: that whole route of depression, but having a mindset of

683
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: you know, God left me here for a reason, and

684
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: I battled God, I'm not gonna sit here lot to you.

685
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: I mean I was like, you know, you say you

686
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,359
Speaker 1: love your child, Why would you do this to me? Like? What? What? Like?

687
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: What were you thinking? Like? I had my battles, you know,

688
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: I faced my demons and I've I've been down that route.

689
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 1: But you know, being able to appreciate the little things

690
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 1: in life makes it so much better as you keep going.

691
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: Cherishing knows moments, I mean, And I think that's what

692
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,919
Speaker 1: got me through my darkest times was realizing that even

693
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: though I had lost my legs, I still had so

694
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 1: much more um you know, just being able to um

695
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 1: sit back and be like, Okay, I still have life.

696
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:17,919
Speaker 1: You know, I still can breathe. You know, I still

697
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: can do what I want to do, even though I

698
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: have to do it a little bit different. You know,

699
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: it's not worth me, you know, committing suicide or like

700
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 1: taking myself away from my family, even though like I

701
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: felt like that was a better where it's just an

702
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: exit plan, you know, but it's not. It's not a

703
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: good exit plan. When you thought about when you thought

704
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: about suicide, was it were you imagining that it's um

705
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: that it takes you out of it, like it takes

706
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: you out of yourself, or you imagine it takes you

707
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 1: away from all the people that you don't want to

708
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: be that. You don't want to feel like a burden too,

709
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 1: like who are you doing a favorite to you or

710
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: your family? For me, I felt like it was more

711
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: of a favorite to my family like suicide would have

712
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 1: and that. Yeah, yeah, but I mean still like just

713
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: obviously like it's like intense depression. Oh yeah, you know,

714
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 1: super intenste depression like I was because like I said,

715
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: I mean I had to depend so much on other

716
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: people and they had to go out of ways just

717
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: to make sure that I was doing something or like

718
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: I was better, like I had to take medicine or

719
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: like whatever the situation was. I felt like I was

720
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,720
Speaker 1: such a birden on other people that it may be miserable.

721
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: We'd eat me up inside. Well, just the thinking of

722
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: like you know what you said, Well, now it's an

723
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: extra fifteen minutes to get dressed, and it's an extra

724
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: ten minutes to do this, and extra this much time

725
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: and this much time just and then to and that's

726
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: just to navigate normal everyday life and then be like,

727
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: but I'm also going to try to still hunt. It's

728
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: just like the layers of complication. It just had to

729
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: have been so daunting early early on especially you know,

730
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,919
Speaker 1: I remember the writer Jim Harrison, who we talked about

731
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 1: a fair bit um. He used to suffer from horrible depressions,

732
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 1: and he described one time being in such a state

733
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: of depression that it was like he couldn't picture getting

734
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 1: dried off with a towel after getting out of it. It

735
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: It just seemed like too much of a hassle. And

736
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: he talked about a friend of his one time demonstrating

737
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: a very quick efficient way to dry off with a

738
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: towel after the shower, and him trying to like memorize

739
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: the how to do it because even that was just

740
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: more than he wanted to deal with in that in

741
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: that state, right, it's made a depressure right there. I

742
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 1: mean at least did a shower as a plus side. So, uh,

743
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: talking about the Turkey column man. So with my accident,

744
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: like so, I had a bullet hit my soft case. Um,

745
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: I had a breathing to my throat for a very

746
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,439
Speaker 1: long time, and the doctors came in and said, well,

747
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: you won't be able to talk again. You're gonna need

748
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 1: a trake. And when he told me that, I was like,

749
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 1: you're wrong, No, I pulled. I actually pulled the tube

750
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: out of my throat. I totally doctors like, now you're

751
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: wrong and what I did so he thought like you

752
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: could talk, but they're gonna do something to you that

753
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,720
Speaker 1: it will make it that you can't talk. The breathing

754
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: tub was in my throat for so long that it

755
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: damaged my vocal cords. So I was gonna need a track,

756
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: like I was gonna have to talk with the Oh

757
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:20,919
Speaker 1: I'm with you now, I got you, I got yeah,

758
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: and there this is just like an accepted it. Dude.

759
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: It's Louisiana, our medical studies. It's not that great. Yeah,

760
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: so it's just like oh you know yeah and yeah,

761
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 1: had you listened to him, that's what would have happened. Yeah. Yeah,

762
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: So um, I just I guess it was like itching

763
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: or whatever. So I just I pulled his day on

764
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: two out of my throat and it altered my vocal

765
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: cords and or pulling the tube mountain dude. Yeah. So

766
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,280
Speaker 1: like I had to get us to like voice therapy

767
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: after that, and like being thirteen, like my vocal cords

768
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: never really matured. So like, yeah, but I wouldn't get

769
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: I mean, sitting here talking to you now, I wouldn't

770
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: get that sense mm hmm. Yeah, my vocal cords is

771
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 1: never really matured, So I don't even I guess I

772
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: don't even really know what that means, man, because I mean,

773
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 1: like anyone listening right now, anyone listening right now that

774
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 1: they wouldn't be like, wow, it's it's not like it's

775
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: not like you know, I'm trying to think, it's not

776
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: like talking to a kid. So okay, So so you're

777
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: bringing that point up, So like I don't sound like

778
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: a kid, but I can still hit a very higher

779
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: pitch for for my age or whatever, because when I

780
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: have acted, like saying, my vocal cords never fully matured

781
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: because I had it to my throat and alter my

782
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 1: vocal cords. So that's why I can go from like

783
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: I'm talking now to like a freaking screaming out google.

784
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: I mean, just because those vocal cords never really matured

785
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: and I could hit notes like a soprano. Give me

786
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: an example of behind. No, we're gonna get kicked out here,

787
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 1: but all right, I can take zanta fe off here.

788
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: You are you spell? Or you want to I want

789
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: to specle Billiana Olk? Oh yeah, so is this like

790
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: a thing you realized or just start learning how to

791
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: make turkey calls, So I think, uh, what year was

792
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: a two thousand? Summer two thirteen, I went to an

793
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: outdoor express show in Louisiana and this guy was trying

794
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: to sell me a turkey call, and I was like, no,

795
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to buy a turk call. Obviously I

796
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 1: didn't want to buy a turk call. They've been a

797
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: church shot turkyani. So like that was like, no, I

798
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 1: think for me, you yeah, so um you better. So

799
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 1: he was trying to like sell what his call like

800
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: it sounded terrible, and uh me be like, I'm not

801
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 1: a lie, like I grew up playing sports his point

802
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: guard picture all that time. I was a little cocky

803
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: when I was younger. So this guy was like trying

804
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: to sell me turtle. He's playing like it's like that

805
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 1: don't sound it good? So what kind of call you use? Me?

806
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: Me a kid, a little cocky kid like I can

807
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: do in my mouth, had no idea could do it,

808
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: no idea. He was like, well, let's hear it. Like crap.

809
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 1: This guy called me out of bluff and I was like,

810
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: all right, do it again, and he did it. And

811
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: I did the best that I couldn't mimic it. The

812
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 1: owner of the company turned around and said, is that

813
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: our call? He's like, no, that's a kid, and they

814
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 1: ran me away from the booth. Really, so I went

815
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:00,320
Speaker 1: to uh inside inside of the expo and uh. Another

816
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 1: guy was like, hey, that's pretty cool. Like I'm I

817
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: feel like I just a compiens up. So I'm going

818
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: around you practicing tune it out because I mean, I

819
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 1: just got ran away from a Turkey color movie because

820
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: it sounded good, and like a guy noticed it. It's

821
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: like it sounds pretty good. Like what else can you do?

822
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just learned this ten minutes ago,

823
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 1: so um, you know, people start getting like, oh that's cool,

824
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: like can you do this animal or this animal? This

825
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 1: an I don't know. So I started like YouTube and

826
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: animal sounds and I just like with practice. But the

827
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: way that that break it down is I would get

828
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: an animal, figure out what sound it makes, and put

829
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,760
Speaker 1: it to the closest word, and I break that word

830
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: down until it gets to that sounded. I just what's

831
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: your word for a turkey yop? I think it's just yelp,

832
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: but it's like a it's not it's not full, it's

833
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 1: not a full YELP. So if I'm if I try

834
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: and explain how to do a turkey call to someone, um,

835
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 1: I would say, um uh it's yeo y e l P.

836
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: Then you go y e e e l l P.

837
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: Help help, help, and then you you extend that word.

838
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: But in the cadence off, you want to have your

839
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 1: at the end of you want your pitch to go

840
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: just a little bit higher. So you want to you know,

841
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,399
Speaker 1: flood of your your your tongue just a little bit

842
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: just to get that that full pitch out. And then

843
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 1: once you get that down, you know, you just want

844
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:39,359
Speaker 1: to speed it up just a little bit. So then

845
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: a little rasp on there too. So that's a part

846
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: of the like the whole pool and two about so

847
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 1: like I can like get to like a raspy pitch

848
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,280
Speaker 1: or like it gets like a older like a growl

849
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 1: to it. I mean I can throw like three different

850
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: turkey calls at you know, in a sequence. So um

851
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: so when so at this point you're starting to learn

852
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: out of call, but you're not at turkey hunt, so

853
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: you probably marry this with the turkey hunting pretty soon, right,

854
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 1: And I'm just thinking, like this is such a killer

855
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,240
Speaker 1: skill for a very specific crowd that you're no longer

856
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: associated with. Yeah, so here's the deal. Here's the deal

857
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 1: said like after this show, like people like, Okay, well

858
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: what does can you do? It's like I don't know

859
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,280
Speaker 1: and not. This is like when Facebook was like becoming

860
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: like I was getting to use Facebook a little bit more,

861
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: like said, this is two thousand and thirteen. Like I

862
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: think I was still like twenty years old something like that.

863
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,919
Speaker 1: So I was just learning about Facebook and I think

864
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:35,839
Speaker 1: I was just driving out a road one day, just

865
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 1: being I don't know, just being a a dork, and

866
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: I was like, turkeys is coming up, and I did

867
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: this video and I posted and like people start sharing

868
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: like oh dude, like you sound pretty good, Like you're goofy,

869
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: but you sound pretty good. And people start sharing like,

870
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: well what else kingdos? I don't know? And uh they're like,

871
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: well they had this like animal call challenge they going

872
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: on Facebook because I made like some sounds and uh.

873
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: This is like going towards the end of two thousand thirteen.

874
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: And then it got to the point where um, somewhat

875
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:11,919
Speaker 1: a buddy of mind notice it and he's like, hey,

876
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: you need to come to a t A. I don't

877
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: even know what a t A is. He's like, it's

878
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,399
Speaker 1: like a big archie trade show. I mean everybody goes there, like, Okay,

879
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 1: I'll see what I can do. I had no intention

880
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 1: to one you thought you should go there to do

881
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: what though, and just I don't know. I guess to

882
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,879
Speaker 1: hang out and call I don't know, like I don't know.

883
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 1: He was like, you just need to go, all right,

884
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: cool whatever, I'll go. But but I say that, but

885
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: I was shooting competition archery two, So like I guess

886
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: that's kind of what he was thinking. Okay, so simultaneous

887
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: to the animal thing like your hardcore shooting. Yeah. Yeahs

888
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 1: Like after my accident, that drove me like further into

889
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: wanting to do it more like my accident, like it

890
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 1: it put a feel inside of me to want to

891
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: do it more. Are you shooting against um? Like, are

892
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 1: you shooting against other people who are wheelchairs and just

893
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 1: shooting general? I'm shooting against everybody. Huh yeah, you got

894
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 1: right back in there, man. Yeah. And so this is

895
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: competition archery like shooting targets three three D shoots. Yeah,

896
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 1: so your body's like I don't want to really, but

897
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: your body's like, hey, man, go to a t A. Yeah,

898
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 1: And you're like, I don't know why, but I will go. Yeah.

899
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 1: So and then I met another friend of mine, uh curse,

900
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 1: and she was She's like, yeah, I'm going to a

901
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,959
Speaker 1: t A. Let's meet up bear, because like, I've met

902
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: these people from making an animals sounds on Facebook. I

903
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 1: mean that's how I I met these people. It sounds yeah, man,

904
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: looking back at it, it sounds funny, but so um

905
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: the Facebook animal sound making. Yeah, I was like Dr

906
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 1: Doolittle online, but I talked to animals in a different way.

907
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 1: So it was like, all right, let's go to a

908
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: t A and let's just like I had to meet

909
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: up all right, cool? So I go and um, I

910
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: mean my buddy robbed and invite me hang out with him.

911
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: Everything's fine and kursten Um. She was like, hey, let's

912
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: go around the show. It's like all right, cool. So

913
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: we're going down this owl and I see Jim Shocking

914
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: like he's like one of the only people I knew

915
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,720
Speaker 1: at this show. I see Jim Shocking and I freaked

916
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: out and have a fangirl moment. Big nine ft tall dude. Yeah, yeah,

917
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 1: I freak out. I have a fan girl moment, so

918
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 1: I think, oh my god, there's Jimp Shocky and she

919
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:24,320
Speaker 1: was like, do you want to meet him? I was like, no,

920
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 1: he's busy to get people around. He's just busy. So

921
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: this girl goes through the crowd, like parts of the

922
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 1: crowd like Moses Partner the Red Sea, and she's like, Hey, Josh,

923
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 1: this is Jim Jim, this is Josh. I'm so freaking scared,

924
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: like I don't say, hey, I freaking goose honky Jim Shocky.

925
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 1: My nerves stick over so bad that I go was

926
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: honk at this guy and he's like, did you just

927
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 1: honk at me? I was like, hey, I guess I

928
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 1: don't know that's what you're saying. Can I guess? I

929
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: don't know? I was so nervous. So he's like that

930
00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 1: was pretty good, Like what else can you do? Like

931
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: he makes some other sounds. So I just started like

932
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: doing sounds, and like somebody took out a cell phone

933
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 1: and videoed it, and uh, it got posted on Jim's

934
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 1: page and got posted on Even's page. And then like

935
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: some other people are around and like they just saw

936
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: me doing these sounds. So like the whole show I

937
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: was going around making calls for everybody, and like that's

938
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 1: how I got my start. Like I went from me

939
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 1: nobody from South Louisiana to when I got home, like

940
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: my social media exploded, like it got really weird really quick.

941
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: Um it just because because I'm from a small town

942
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: like I was, I was that kid that was like

943
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 1: so um, I didn't it wasn't sheltered, but I was

944
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: in my own little world, especially coming from an accident

945
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: and you know, figuring out figuring out life. Still now

946
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 1: I'm in like the public eye, like everybody wants to

947
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: know like who you are working to do and stuff

948
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 1: like that. That's scared hell out of me. Like I'm

949
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: not even a lot to you. Um. It just was

950
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,879
Speaker 1: so different only from you know, being from a small

951
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 1: town and being exposed to the world and you know,

952
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,240
Speaker 1: you get all these people from all over the places,

953
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: you know, sending you messages and things like that, I

954
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 1: want to be friends. You have no idea who they are,

955
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: So I mean it was it was a culture shock

956
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 1: for me, honestly, and it became like it became like

957
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: a business for you for a while. Yeah, Like explain

958
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:25,839
Speaker 1: that though, like like what like like what specifically, were

959
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: you being did you want to being paid to do?

960
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 1: I honestly cannot, Like if someone wants to do this

961
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 1: as a business plan, I cannot give you a guideline

962
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: to do. I will not recommend you go out get

963
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 1: shot Josh Carney path to business. It's not it's not

964
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: honking strangers. No. Well, I mean it's a little weird nowadays,

965
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: but just that I wouldn't. I would not recommend that. Um.

966
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: But you know, so I was, you know, doing these

967
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 1: interviews for like radios and like radio shows and like

968
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: just like no, like same stuff on my Yeah, yeah,

969
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 1: but I was doing it like at the shows and stuff.

970
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: Like people contact me like hey, like you know you

971
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: do you want to come to an event? Like you know,

972
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 1: we heard your story, Like do you want to come

973
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 1: speaking to the event or wherever? It's like my my

974
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:16,320
Speaker 1: first event was at a church in uh across at Arkansas,

975
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere. As a look, I've never did

976
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 1: public speaking in my life. I don't know why are

977
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: you're calling me? You got the wrong guy? Like I

978
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: barely know how to make animals. Sounds like I just

979
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 1: learned that an hour ago. But what were they wanting you?

980
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: To come do. They wanted me to tell my story

981
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: of how I overcame UM, how I got from a

982
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 1: hunting accident to getting over it and getting back into

983
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: um hunting. So that's what I did. I stumbled my

984
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: way through that first show. But the good thing about

985
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: it that was funny m hm. So I did comedy

986
00:53:56,239 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: before I got to the hunting industry, so I was

987
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 1: able to throwing a serious point covered with a joke,

988
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 1: so like, I always kept the audience attention. So that

989
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:13,280
Speaker 1: right there is like what kind of built me into

990
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,800
Speaker 1: getting and speaking? So this show here is my first

991
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 1: and like after that it went well so that well,

992
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,399
Speaker 1: maybe I can do another one from there. I just

993
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: change a little change style. You know, did things, you

994
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 1: tweaked the little things here and there, and I got

995
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: better at it. And from there more people like, Hey,

996
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: do you want to come speak at the event? Do

997
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 1: you want to come to a seminar? Do you want

998
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 1: to come UM host a disabled hot like do you

999
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: want to do more stuff? I'm like, yeah, who's managing

1000
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 1: all this for you? I was doing it at the time.

1001
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 1: I mean I was, I was a young dumb and

1002
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 1: I didn't I I was, but you're doing paid gigs, right,

1003
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: I'm doing paid gigs. But you're you're just like, here's

1004
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:00,359
Speaker 1: my fee, and negotiated and contract on a like. At

1005
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 1: that time, starting out, I had a a really cheap

1006
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 1: fee because I didn't know what I was doing. I

1007
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: had enough to like, hey, yeah, cover my gas, my expenses,

1008
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: feed me and give me a hotel. I'll be there.

1009
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: I had no idea when it came to business. So

1010
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, well, I'm doing enough of

1011
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: these shows for cheap. Let me start charging, all right.

1012
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 1: So I was like, all right, cover my expenses five

1013
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: from the bucks, I'll do it. That became all right,

1014
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 1: well it's you know, it's it's getting better. Now I

1015
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: got a little money, I can go go back home,

1016
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 1: have you know, a little bit to play with. You know,

1017
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 1: it's like cool. I like that. From there, I started developing, Okay,

1018
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: well I'm getting more work than um. Then the the money,

1019
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 1: you know, I wasn't I was doing, dude, But I

1020
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,839
Speaker 1: was overworking myself because I was on the road a lot.

1021
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: I mean I think two thousand fifteen, I hit like

1022
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: two sixty days on the road. No. Yeah, but all

1023
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:05,839
Speaker 1: with hunting industry stuff. How much did it when you're

1024
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 1: doing this to your talk about all the time. And

1025
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: I'm guilty right now because I'm interviewing you right now,

1026
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 1: But how much should it become like did never be

1027
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 1: did you ever get in your head where you sort

1028
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:20,399
Speaker 1: of had a hard time that you would separate you

1029
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: like as a fully formed person with like that you

1030
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 1: are like this embodiment of a story, mean that like

1031
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 1: you have like a narrative. You were injured horribly, um,

1032
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 1: you started hunting and you have this this gift to

1033
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 1: to do animal calls, um, and people just wanted to

1034
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 1: be like again and again and again and again, tell

1035
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: me about that, Tell me about that, Tell me about that.

1036
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: Does that cause like an identity crisis? Yeah? Yeah, it

1037
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 1: actually does so honestly, So like going it's it was

1038
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 1: super weird for me getting a guest to so like

1039
00:56:55,880 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 1: I had to live two different lives. Like when I

1040
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 1: was at events or shows or whatever, I had to

1041
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 1: be the son of the South, like that's what I

1042
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:08,879
Speaker 1: went by, a son of the South. So I had

1043
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 1: a strictly show presence that I had to stick to.

1044
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 1: But outside of it, when I was like family friends,

1045
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 1: like I was Josh Carney, like I was just let's

1046
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: hang out, cut out myself. But when I went to

1047
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: a show, I was in that strictly like that entertainment mode.

1048
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 1: Is it Is it a requirement that you as not

1049
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 1: Josh Carney, but you as the son of the South.

1050
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 1: Is it a requirement of the son of the South

1051
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 1: that the son of the South is in a good mood?

1052
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 1: I'm always in a good way, that's the thing. Though

1053
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: you're able to do it. Yeah, I'm always in a

1054
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 1: good like. I mean, life has challenged me enough that

1055
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 1: I understand, like, bad things happened for a moment, and

1056
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 1: you can't let it ruin a day. So I made

1057
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: if something like bad happens, once it's over it, it's

1058
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 1: over with, you know, just keep moving forward. I mean,

1059
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 1: don't let sixty seconds of your day ruined the other

1060
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 1: twenty three hours and minutes. Dude, I'll lose two weeks

1061
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 1: off sixty seconds. No, I haven't been forged by fire, right, Yeah,

1062
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 1: I mean you just you just it. There's a lot

1063
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 1: of people like it takes a bigger person to do,

1064
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 1: and I think that's that's where I'm at. I mean, like,

1065
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: I just don't let a lot of things bother me.

1066
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 1: I mean, something can always be worse, and I think

1067
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 1: being able to like like over the years, I've done

1068
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 1: things with events with like kids with like cancer, like

1069
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 1: terminal illnesses and things like that, I think that humbled

1070
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 1: me as a person, Like they truly humbled me. Like

1071
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 1: I understand, like I'm in a situation, but there are

1072
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 1: people out there in worse situations i am, and they're

1073
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 1: happy about it, like they're grateful for what they have.

1074
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 1: So if I was bitter because I can't use my legs, like,

1075
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 1: that's efficient me. So I mean, knowing that it could

1076
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 1: be worse, it's something that makes me more positive. So

1077
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 1: if I have a bad moment, I don't let it

1078
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 1: affect the rest of my day. Well, we before we

1079
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 1: started recording, we talked a little bit about, you know,

1080
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 1: your sort of view of operating within the hunting industry

1081
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 1: and you grew tired of it. Like what's sort of

1082
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 1: like defined the hunting industry for me? You know, I

1083
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 1: mean and and and tell me like what it means

1084
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 1: to grow tired of it or want to move beyond

1085
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 1: it because you went to do you do like a

1086
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 1: totally different line of work. Now, yeah, I'm a totally

1087
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 1: different lot of work, so for me. So the thing

1088
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 1: about the industry for me was like six years in it,

1089
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 1: like I was m I don't want to say I was.

1090
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be blunt. I was overworked, underpaid. Like when

1091
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 1: I went to a show, I was always someone's puppet,

1092
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: like do this, do that, do this, do that, and

1093
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: like I never got a reward out of it, you know.

1094
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, we're just gonna use you for

1095
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 1: like your social media or like whatever you bring to

1096
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 1: the table, and he and day. If we don't want you,

1097
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 1: we just don't want you. You know, do X y

1098
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 1: Z for us and we don't get you don't get

1099
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 1: anything out of in of it, you know. And doing

1100
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 1: that for so long it made me really bitter towards

1101
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 1: the hunting industry because it was always give me, give me,

1102
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 1: give me, and I never got anything return. I mean

1103
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 1: I met some good people along the way, but if

1104
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 1: it wasn't for speaking events that I was doing, I

1105
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 1: would have never made an industry. I mean it it

1106
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 1: broke me down financially, mentally, like physically, like I was

1107
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 1: on the road so much trying to pursue this image

1108
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 1: that I had built in the hunting industry just to

1109
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 1: stay afloat, and like I was. I was, I was

1110
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 1: expected to do so much from the audience and from

1111
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 1: you know, companies that wanted me to promote them for nothing.

1112
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 1: So that's where the whole persona But do you think

1113
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 1: it's like but don't you think it's because of just

1114
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 1: lack of management? You know that too. But so two

1115
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 1: thousand seven, I think that that could probably that could

1116
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 1: happen to many many people. Yeah, So two thousand seventeen,

1117
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 1: I had I hired a business one. So let me

1118
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 1: let me backtrack. So when I talked, I was talking

1119
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:30,440
Speaker 1: to you guys earlier. So I had a guy that

1120
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 1: was trying to be my manager. He was a credential

1121
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 1: Let me let me just say like he was a

1122
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,439
Speaker 1: used carse that was when if that says anything, okay,

1123
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 1: So he was a sneaking of grass. So he wanted

1124
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 1: to be my manager, like very shady chica dude. Um.

1125
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 1: But at the time I didn't know, I didn't know

1126
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 1: what manage it was. I was having fun. I was

1127
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 1: making a little bit of one here, and it got

1128
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 1: to the point where um, the things like I was

1129
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 1: more of a um token item for him to put

1130
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 1: money in his pocket. So learning that started burning a

1131
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 1: lot of bridge for me. So finally got rid of

1132
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 1: him and I went back to doing things well. So

1133
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 1: I met this girl, um, this lady Heather Shepherd, and

1134
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 1: she's my business partner. So we met. She booked me

1135
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 1: for an event. It was her her family event, and

1136
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 1: she booked me forward. I mean, from booking it to

1137
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 1: be getting there to the show's over, everything was like

1138
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 1: to the t um like she's like, hey, Josh, you

1139
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 1: know you have to be at this place at this time.

1140
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 1: You have to be here, here, your brakes here. You know.

1141
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 1: Everything was like to a t um I think at

1142
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 1: the end of the show, like her name went from

1143
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 1: Heather to boss lady, Like I mean, she was just strictly,

1144
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 1: you know, focus on making sure that everything was in

1145
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 1: line and right. So after that show, UM, I approached like, hey, listen,

1146
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 1: like I really don't know what the hell I know

1147
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 1: it and from seeing you work and how you um

1148
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 1: handle business, I want you as a part of my team.

1149
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 1: So she came on board with me, uh and thinking

1150
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 1: too that the seventeen and um we've worked together flawlessly

1151
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 1: from the air. So she took over that management position

1152
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 1: for me. So if someone wanted me to do a

1153
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 1: gig or event, I pulled myself out of it. I'd

1154
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 1: introduced to her, she take care of it. That became

1155
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 1: a lot better for me. But at that time when

1156
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 1: that's happening, I was already at the point where I

1157
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 1: was starting to get worn out and so like if

1158
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 1: it didn't fit, like you know, quieterias like Okay, I'm

1159
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 1: not gonna drive from Louisiana oil mean just to go

1160
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 1: on a free trip for exposure, you know, So just

1161
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 1: things like that. But as far as getting the sponsorship deals,

1162
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 1: I didn't understand that of a business. And she was

1163
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:04,960
Speaker 1: so new to the industry at that time too that

1164
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 1: we were both learning. So I don't think it at

1165
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:11,920
Speaker 1: the time. I think the way that we went about

1166
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 1: it could have been done a lot better. But I

1167
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 1: think it was a little too late for they also,

1168
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 1: So at what point did you decide that, let me

1169
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 1: put it this way, when you got burned out on

1170
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 1: sort of servicing the hunting industry in that community, Um,

1171
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:32,919
Speaker 1: was your interested your interest in hunting go away? As well?

1172
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 1: Are you actively hunting right now? Are you just done

1173
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 1: with it? So two thousand eighteen was like my breaking

1174
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 1: point for the hunting industry. I had I want to say,

1175
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 1: probably eight detent SI bolsters and like we had like

1176
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 1: we were working like so with me. It had that

1177
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:56,440
Speaker 1: we were working on contract agreements making sure everything was

1178
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 1: like right for the following you, to make sure everything went.

1179
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 1: This is sponsorships. That where they're giving you gear. Now,

1180
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 1: this is monetary sponsors and we're starting to make money now.

1181
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 1: So Um, we have agreements lined up. And back to

1182
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 1: the back to the other guy that was trying to

1183
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 1: be my manager. I did a hunt with him, Um

1184
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 1: and Texas, him and another guy. They made a video

1185
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:25,919
Speaker 1: of me. Um. Obviously, I can't put my my leg

1186
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 1: on a turkey to stop it from flopping, so they

1187
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 1: put my wheel on a turkey, and I mean, I'm

1188
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 1: not gonna sit here a lot to you. I mean

1189
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 1: that was quote unquote my legs. So walk me through

1190
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:39,160
Speaker 1: like you shoot a turkey, shoot a turkey, and this

1191
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 1: is all being filmed. Yeah, so I shoot a turkey. Um,

1192
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 1: turkeys on the ground and like we're doing like the

1193
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 1: b roll and stuff like that, and they wanted to

1194
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 1: make a video of me. Um. The whole storyline for

1195
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:57,240
Speaker 1: this episode was me conquering, getting over Turkey, onting accident,

1196
01:05:57,240 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 1: getting back to Turkey hunting. That was the whole storyline,

1197
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 1: which is a story you're familiar with. Yeah, I was

1198
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 1: gonna say, yeah, yeah, so affect killer story after shoots Turkey,

1199
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 1: like they're doing a film and everything like that, birds

1200
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 1: on the ground, They're like, okay, well, you know, just

1201
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 1: like now you're in a wheelchair, Like this is the mindset.

1202
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:17,760
Speaker 1: You're in a wheelchair because of Turkey. Hulley like, now

1203
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:21,720
Speaker 1: we want to make it look like you conquered you

1204
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 1: know this, like you just slay the dragon. So like

1205
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 1: all right, you know, just like just put your wheel

1206
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 1: on the turkey's head like you just like defeated it. Yeah,

1207
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:36,480
Speaker 1: this is like my first big like TV show. Deal man,

1208
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:41,919
Speaker 1: I just seeing where this is going, you get it's

1209
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:44,920
Speaker 1: so easy to get steam rolled, Yeah, because you're with

1210
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 1: all these people and they know what yeah, and you're

1211
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:49,920
Speaker 1: not familiar with yet. You don't know, you don't understand that,

1212
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:53,040
Speaker 1: you don't understand the end product, had no idea, but

1213
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:55,320
Speaker 1: the end product is like that's that's what I'm getting to.

1214
01:06:55,600 --> 01:07:00,360
Speaker 1: So it was like it wasn't even like a like uh,

1215
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 1: terrible shot like it was just my wheel on a turkey.

1216
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 1: I mean I see people put their foots on the neck.

1217
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 1: I just had a wheel on it. That wasn't even

1218
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 1: the turkey. Like the worst thing I did that shot

1219
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:12,920
Speaker 1: him in the face, the worst they could have done

1220
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 1: a turkey. So yeah, like preceded earlier shot with the gun. Yeah,

1221
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 1: I just wanted to stop flopping. I mean, like obviously

1222
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 1: the turkey gets back up, I can't run behind it.

1223
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 1: So I mean if I put my wheel in her head,

1224
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 1: he can't go anywhere, all right. So the guy and

1225
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:32,919
Speaker 1: his part of whoever he was working with, they put

1226
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 1: a video together like I had, um it was it

1227
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 1: wasn't even it was the firm producer and editor. Video

1228
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 1: sucks so bad, Like a six year old could have

1229
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 1: did better. Like they had video like the b rolls

1230
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 1: like me looking at the turkey, like fanning it out

1231
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 1: and like just showing like me showing the coloration of

1232
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:54,240
Speaker 1: the feathers and everything, and then like it goes to

1233
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 1: a scene where like my wheel is on a turkey

1234
01:07:56,840 --> 01:08:00,240
Speaker 1: head and like that was the finished product. So this

1235
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 1: this guy, it's it's like a terrible video. So the

1236
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 1: guy like you, hum, it's meant to be that it's

1237
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 1: all one continuous action. You you admire turkey and then

1238
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:14,439
Speaker 1: lay it back down and run it over. I guess

1239
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 1: that's what they're trying to proceed. But it was such

1240
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 1: a terrible video. Oh but it was enough to make

1241
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:29,240
Speaker 1: sponsors have an easy way out. So this guy, so

1242
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 1: I was doing um seminar that shows and speaking events

1243
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:34,599
Speaker 1: things like that, and I had I was started getting

1244
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:39,280
Speaker 1: monetary sponsors. The sky whoever I was working with affiliated

1245
01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:42,320
Speaker 1: with this guy said that the video too, and like

1246
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:45,599
Speaker 1: I lost a lot of money over the stupid stuff.

1247
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:49,479
Speaker 1: I mean like a lot of money because of a

1248
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:54,760
Speaker 1: video of me shooting a turkey. And then like at

1249
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:57,840
Speaker 1: this time, this is like when um, I don't know

1250
01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:01,160
Speaker 1: if you guys remember like the the big Beal thing

1251
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:03,759
Speaker 1: when he shot that elk or whatever and left it.

1252
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 1: It's just like in Walming then yeah, oh well yeah

1253
01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:11,880
Speaker 1: shot shot accidentally hit a second old Yeah. Yeah, So

1254
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:14,760
Speaker 1: this is like around that same time period, which is

1255
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:19,680
Speaker 1: totally like that part of it shooting elk and and

1256
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:25,000
Speaker 1: accidentally getting another one. That could happen lots of people,

1257
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:30,840
Speaker 1: but whether or not you to it. Yeah, So the

1258
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:33,680
Speaker 1: companies that saw this video, like, oh well, there's too

1259
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 1: much pressure on the hunting and issue right now. We

1260
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 1: don't need this being a part of our business floating

1261
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:41,519
Speaker 1: around because you put your wheel on a turkey the head.

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01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 1: So it's an easy way out. So I started losing

1263
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:51,360
Speaker 1: contracts like but like, okay, I haven't seen this video.

1264
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:57,320
Speaker 1: Is Let's say I went into one of these sponsors

1265
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:01,240
Speaker 1: that you lost to deal with and I said to them, like, hey,

1266
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 1: what happened with I understand what happened with Josh Karney?

1267
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:06,800
Speaker 1: Like what went on there? Like do your best job

1268
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:14,760
Speaker 1: of telling what? They would say honestly, don't know, but

1269
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:17,000
Speaker 1: you don't know that they like you can't picture like that.

1270
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 1: They would have a different story than what you're telling me.

1271
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 1: It's like he put his wheel, said all that it was.

1272
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:25,400
Speaker 1: I put my wheel on a turkey's head. It's it.

1273
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:29,840
Speaker 1: They're like, okay, well, honestly, it was an easy way out.

1274
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:34,960
Speaker 1: But easy way out implies that they wanted out. They

1275
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, well we don't have the budget this year.

1276
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:41,439
Speaker 1: I mean it's like, okay, well now we have Oh whoa,

1277
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:45,000
Speaker 1: you're doing this. That's not what we want to represent

1278
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:47,880
Speaker 1: as a company. And then the video was perceived as

1279
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:51,400
Speaker 1: such that it was um or being it was being

1280
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 1: pushed as something disrespectful against animals. But okay, I don't

1281
01:10:57,240 --> 01:10:59,880
Speaker 1: I don't want to like belabor this video issue, but

1282
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:03,360
Speaker 1: it sucks so bad. Was the video? Was the video though?

1283
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:07,439
Speaker 1: Was the video in the end? Was the video meant

1284
01:11:07,479 --> 01:11:09,800
Speaker 1: to do what it was supposed to do? Or did

1285
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 1: the video they put the video out there to be damaging.

1286
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 1: They put it out to be damaging, so they weren't

1287
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:21,479
Speaker 1: like trying to make something great like so this was

1288
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:25,160
Speaker 1: this was filmed for a TV show. They took enough

1289
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:27,880
Speaker 1: of the footage from that to splice it down to

1290
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:32,320
Speaker 1: make this video to send to the companies. So it

1291
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:35,920
Speaker 1: was like it was intentional. Yeah, they had a it

1292
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 1: was a vendetta for something, maybe you don't even know

1293
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:41,040
Speaker 1: what that the owner of the show and the producer

1294
01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:45,160
Speaker 1: got to it. And the producer was the guy that

1295
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:48,559
Speaker 1: was trying to be my manager. So the owner of

1296
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:52,800
Speaker 1: the show, once they got to it, the guy was

1297
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:56,800
Speaker 1: trying to take down everything that the producer had. And

1298
01:11:56,960 --> 01:12:00,200
Speaker 1: I was in that mix of it. And at that

1299
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 1: time I was being very successful and I was on

1300
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:05,600
Speaker 1: a lot. I had a lot of tension on me.

1301
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:10,559
Speaker 1: So it was a very easy and it was very easy.

1302
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:13,120
Speaker 1: I was a very easy target. I mean even hectic

1303
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:15,479
Speaker 1: that the guy still tries to use the video to

1304
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 1: send to people. I'm like, dude, that was five years ago. Yeah,

1305
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:29,800
Speaker 1: five years ago. So it's just yeah, I've met some

1306
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:31,880
Speaker 1: very I've met some great people, honey and showing me wrong.

1307
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:35,640
Speaker 1: But for every good person, I've met a lot of

1308
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:38,560
Speaker 1: shady people too. I mean, do you think it's is

1309
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:43,960
Speaker 1: it hunting or is it like business? I think it's both,

1310
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:46,400
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, because it's from the business

1311
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:50,320
Speaker 1: side of it, Like, no one's gonna show you. A

1312
01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:52,600
Speaker 1: lot of these people are gonna show you their true colors,

1313
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:54,839
Speaker 1: like they're gonna want you to do for me personally.

1314
01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:57,080
Speaker 1: Like I was, like, I'm gonna go back to what

1315
01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:59,880
Speaker 1: I said earlier. I was a puppet, Like I brought

1316
01:12:59,880 --> 01:13:02,760
Speaker 1: the attention to a company for them to make a

1317
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:04,920
Speaker 1: buck out of it, and I didn't make a dime you,

1318
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:09,080
Speaker 1: So I was just and I was just a token

1319
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:14,200
Speaker 1: item for them to gain something. What was the last

1320
01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 1: time you did uhum, what was the last time you

1321
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:25,639
Speaker 1: did a talk? But gave a talk? My last yeah,

1322
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 1: my last speaking event had to be last year. Um,

1323
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 1: Like I said, I took a I took a huge

1324
01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:36,240
Speaker 1: break from the whole hunting industry at the two eighteen.

1325
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:39,759
Speaker 1: Oh I said, I lost a lot in that industry.

1326
01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:43,000
Speaker 1: And uh heck, I mean I went to the show.

1327
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:44,479
Speaker 1: I came back. Oh man, I had a heart attack.

1328
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:47,360
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's stressed me out so bad that

1329
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 1: literally a heart attack. I flew back home. I went

1330
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:55,240
Speaker 1: to the uh gym later to night as I was

1331
01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 1: stressed out. I mean, this is like this is like

1332
01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:00,559
Speaker 1: my shot, Like I just started finally started to make

1333
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:04,320
Speaker 1: money and like I lost. I mean I lost a

1334
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:07,040
Speaker 1: lot of money at a show because of that video.

1335
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:11,720
Speaker 1: It was time for the show. Oh yeah yeah. And

1336
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:14,400
Speaker 1: then the bad part, like everything that was happened, so

1337
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:16,400
Speaker 1: like going back to like the bad moments, Like I

1338
01:14:16,479 --> 01:14:22,160
Speaker 1: was letting those bad moments pole up. So I had

1339
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:26,520
Speaker 1: just got turned down, um on a a good contract.

1340
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:31,439
Speaker 1: And after they turned me down, the guy that producing

1341
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:36,240
Speaker 1: and send it out walks up and I was livid,

1342
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:39,799
Speaker 1: like emotion like I was. I was in a different

1343
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:42,080
Speaker 1: state of mind at that point that it was it

1344
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 1: was a miserable show for me, Like it was eating

1345
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:48,240
Speaker 1: me up inside, like a horrible show for me. Then

1346
01:14:48,280 --> 01:14:54,879
Speaker 1: another thing I was losing. I was losing um spots

1347
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:58,320
Speaker 1: of like being Uh, this is a time phrase where

1348
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 1: the hunting industry was so fo focus on, you know,

1349
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:05,679
Speaker 1: being a cute blanche chick, you know, half naked doing

1350
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 1: shows just to get you know, promotion, and I felt,

1351
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:15,880
Speaker 1: really I felt that it got away from the value

1352
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:17,760
Speaker 1: of hunting that I was just I don't know, I

1353
01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 1: guess I was just a little bitter about it because

1354
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:22,640
Speaker 1: I mean I was losing. I felt like I was

1355
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 1: losing out to um people that wanted to be something

1356
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 1: that they worked and like I just I got caught

1357
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:33,599
Speaker 1: up in that realm of trying to be someone else

1358
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:35,880
Speaker 1: that I lost focus on who I was. Like, I

1359
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:40,040
Speaker 1: just like I didn't understand the fact that you know

1360
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:45,200
Speaker 1: that I was getting caught up in that mix. So yeah,

1361
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:48,280
Speaker 1: I know, yeah, there's like you know, I mean sex

1362
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:53,240
Speaker 1: cells and everything. I mean definitely sells underwear, yeah, and

1363
01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:56,080
Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff. And yeah, like you know, as

1364
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:58,080
Speaker 1: much as it's even fair to talk about like the

1365
01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:01,280
Speaker 1: hunting industry as well as this sort of like defineable,

1366
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:04,439
Speaker 1: containable thing, I know what you're talking about when they

1367
01:16:04,479 --> 01:16:07,920
Speaker 1: became this it's it's not like this male fantasy thing

1368
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 1: where it be that, um, you know, you have these

1369
01:16:12,040 --> 01:16:14,360
Speaker 1: people that are like, oh that you know, they're so

1370
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:17,400
Speaker 1: beautiful and and they like to hunt. And it's like

1371
01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:22,120
Speaker 1: this like complete total package, right that that you like

1372
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:25,439
Speaker 1: present as a as a marketing thing. It's like all

1373
01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:29,680
Speaker 1: my problems, I'm lonely and I have no woman, and

1374
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:32,720
Speaker 1: now look this one's beautiful and she would appreciate my

1375
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:36,120
Speaker 1: hunting prowess. Not only that, but she loves the hunt,

1376
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 1: and that's how I will sell products. Yeah, old creepy gather.

1377
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:48,800
Speaker 1: So so from from so back to that se I

1378
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:50,840
Speaker 1: like when that was going, like I was like, all right,

1379
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:53,439
Speaker 1: well a lot of these people can't Like it was

1380
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:58,160
Speaker 1: so um it was so instant bottled. The honey industry

1381
01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:01,200
Speaker 1: became so instant mottled that I was like, all right, cool,

1382
01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:03,760
Speaker 1: this is not even honey anymore. It's Hollywood. Like it's

1383
01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 1: not like something that I was like I was. I

1384
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:07,559
Speaker 1: was one of those guys that I was a rebel.

1385
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:10,519
Speaker 1: Like it was like, look, I bust my butt to

1386
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:12,600
Speaker 1: go out here and do it, and I have I

1387
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:15,639
Speaker 1: know what I'm bringing to the table. I don't feel

1388
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:18,559
Speaker 1: that it's right for me to lose something to somebody

1389
01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 1: that just picked up a gun two weeks ago. Guild Animal,

1390
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:24,760
Speaker 1: you felt like you had a product, yeah, and but

1391
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:28,160
Speaker 1: you were losing um some of these opportunities, some of

1392
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:30,599
Speaker 1: these paid opportunities, folks that didn't even have a product.

1393
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:32,920
Speaker 1: I felt that I brought more value to the table

1394
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:36,160
Speaker 1: than what I was, um, what I was getting out

1395
01:17:36,160 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 1: of it. And to lose a spot to someone that

1396
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:42,080
Speaker 1: had no knowledge, couldn't teach you about anything hunting related,

1397
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:45,920
Speaker 1: to lose it to a cute face, I just I

1398
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:49,400
Speaker 1: was in a very ill mood, so I made it.

1399
01:17:49,439 --> 01:17:52,519
Speaker 1: I made a post and it wasn't even um like.

1400
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:55,840
Speaker 1: It wasn't bad. It was more information or anything saying

1401
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:58,760
Speaker 1: how the hot industry was just becoming um more of

1402
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:02,920
Speaker 1: that sex cell type. And it flared up a lot

1403
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:05,320
Speaker 1: of attention because I'm one of those guys like I

1404
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:07,600
Speaker 1: will say, like I will say what the rooms? That

1405
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:11,680
Speaker 1: will you say like everybody's taking it? Hell, I'm just

1406
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:14,439
Speaker 1: gonna say it. I'm a clear elf. Now That's what

1407
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:16,599
Speaker 1: it was. It was one of those deals. Well, it's

1408
01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:19,040
Speaker 1: a it's a super sensitive subject though man, because there

1409
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:21,640
Speaker 1: was a lot of that's a supersensitive subject. It's a

1410
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:29,560
Speaker 1: supersensive subject because the hunting industry traditionally was not hostile

1411
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:34,120
Speaker 1: in cases hostile the women. Um I had sitate to

1412
01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:37,559
Speaker 1: say hostile women, not as inviting the women, meaning right

1413
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:42,719
Speaker 1: like people to buy a hunting license are guys timber

1414
01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:47,320
Speaker 1: center women? Um, I don't think. I imagine that you

1415
01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:51,040
Speaker 1: would always have I don't picture a world in which

1416
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:54,080
Speaker 1: you would be equal representation between men and women. I

1417
01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:57,799
Speaker 1: don't picture that. But I feel if Dad's and whatever

1418
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:04,040
Speaker 1: dad's granddads didn't have such a strong bias towards the

1419
01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:06,240
Speaker 1: boys in their family, in favor of the boys of

1420
01:19:06,280 --> 01:19:09,920
Speaker 1: their family and against participation from women, we would land

1421
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:17,720
Speaker 1: not at maybe be seventy thirty female. There's no way

1422
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:19,800
Speaker 1: it's gonna be. I think there's like I think there's

1423
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:24,720
Speaker 1: biological factors that would prevent, but it wouldn't be. So

1424
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:30,200
Speaker 1: there is a thing where, Okay, to increase female representation

1425
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:33,679
Speaker 1: and hunting is important, to hear women's voices about hunting

1426
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:36,800
Speaker 1: and hunting is important. But I think that there's also

1427
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:39,120
Speaker 1: like a thing that I recognize it too, which is

1428
01:19:39,439 --> 01:19:46,640
Speaker 1: very much. Um. People take that need but then they

1429
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:49,880
Speaker 1: can't help themselves. But to like sexify it. Oh yeah,

1430
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:51,880
Speaker 1: no doubt. And I want my dog I got. I

1431
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:54,600
Speaker 1: have a seven year old daughter. I have like I

1432
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:57,840
Speaker 1: don't overpressure her, but she is very clear on the

1433
01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:00,600
Speaker 1: fact that her dad very much wants her to go

1434
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:02,720
Speaker 1: hunting and fishing, to the point where I want her

1435
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:06,760
Speaker 1: to feel a little guilty when she doesn't go. Do

1436
01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:09,720
Speaker 1: I then need to have it turn like do I

1437
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:13,559
Speaker 1: want her to to hunt in a bikini top? No?

1438
01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:17,759
Speaker 1: I feel like she could look roughly like her brothers,

1439
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:20,160
Speaker 1: like the same basic get up that her brothers are

1440
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:27,400
Speaker 1: comfortable and should be suitable for my daughter. So this

1441
01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:30,280
Speaker 1: thing that we're talking about, like, I recognize, it's very

1442
01:20:30,360 --> 01:20:36,559
Speaker 1: complex to be like everything. Man, it is complex to

1443
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:39,639
Speaker 1: the point to where is if your daughter was like, yeah,

1444
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:42,360
Speaker 1: but dad, what I want to do is hunt in

1445
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:44,880
Speaker 1: a bikini top, and then you would have to be

1446
01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:51,200
Speaker 1: then and be like I really want you to go, dude.

1447
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:53,439
Speaker 1: That's a great point, man, because that would be what if?

1448
01:20:53,479 --> 01:20:55,040
Speaker 1: What if? Yeah? What she said to me, this is

1449
01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:58,080
Speaker 1: how I like to do it. I like, I wanna, um,

1450
01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:02,000
Speaker 1: I love it. It's like this, make it fun like this,

1451
01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:03,880
Speaker 1: What am I gonna say, like, no, you cannot go

1452
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:07,200
Speaker 1: in that bikini top? She's seven right now? Is I'm

1453
01:21:07,240 --> 01:21:08,800
Speaker 1: not there yet? I got time to figure it out.

1454
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:12,479
Speaker 1: But yes, it's hard to deal with. Yeah, And so

1455
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:15,520
Speaker 1: then you throw and you go. You look at the demographics,

1456
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:18,880
Speaker 1: right and you throw somebody, anybody up on a poster,

1457
01:21:20,240 --> 01:21:23,080
Speaker 1: and the marketing persons like, I want that poster to

1458
01:21:23,160 --> 01:21:27,560
Speaker 1: represent the middle of the Bell curve, the vast majority,

1459
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:32,320
Speaker 1: to draw the most people in, you know. And and

1460
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:34,840
Speaker 1: so you get in this conversation where it's like there,

1461
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:41,080
Speaker 1: here's this very very pretty girl man whatever, um you know,

1462
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:44,960
Speaker 1: is that representing the majority of the Bell curve? Is

1463
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:48,280
Speaker 1: that bringing in the most people. It's gonna represent some

1464
01:21:48,280 --> 01:21:53,880
Speaker 1: some faction, but it's not going to represent them all. Yeah,

1465
01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:58,680
Speaker 1: they're they're advertising a water park in the elevators in

1466
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:01,760
Speaker 1: the place we're standing in right now, and advertising for

1467
01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:06,519
Speaker 1: the water park are families, and the moms in the

1468
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:11,040
Speaker 1: things are in bikinis. But it's like, not sexualized. It's

1469
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:15,200
Speaker 1: a water park and there's families. I think it's not

1470
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:18,240
Speaker 1: sexual I think a bikini is more appropriate for a

1471
01:22:18,280 --> 01:22:20,640
Speaker 1: water park than stay. Yeah, I just want to say, like,

1472
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:23,759
Speaker 1: I don't want to overemphasize the bikini aspect this because

1473
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:27,200
Speaker 1: there are places where people you know it should be

1474
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:29,920
Speaker 1: uh you know, every runs around, but man, a little

1475
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:32,479
Speaker 1: bit the final COMPLEXI this is all to say about it,

1476
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:36,479
Speaker 1: because not all want to say about it. But the

1477
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:40,439
Speaker 1: other thing I found is that women don't necessarily want,

1478
01:22:41,160 --> 01:22:44,000
Speaker 1: don't necessarily need forty six year old dudes like me

1479
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:51,600
Speaker 1: explaining this to them. So I get it. I get it,

1480
01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:56,280
Speaker 1: but I understand what I understand. So where where'd you

1481
01:22:56,280 --> 01:23:02,160
Speaker 1: go from there? I take a really uh like a

1482
01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:05,519
Speaker 1: detoxic break. I mean I I still had a couple

1483
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:08,439
Speaker 1: events and a couple of companies that I was working with,

1484
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:13,200
Speaker 1: and um, I I just kind of I fell off

1485
01:23:13,240 --> 01:23:14,840
Speaker 1: the radar a little bit to figure out who the

1486
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:16,920
Speaker 1: hell I was because I was, like I said, I

1487
01:23:17,240 --> 01:23:20,880
Speaker 1: I focused so much on big this persona to fit

1488
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:24,479
Speaker 1: this hunting image that I didn't know who I was

1489
01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:27,240
Speaker 1: an he wore. And I want to ask about your

1490
01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:30,200
Speaker 1: friends group too, because before you were like, well, one

1491
01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:32,920
Speaker 1: way with my friends group and one way with your

1492
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:36,559
Speaker 1: friends group. Are they? Um, do you have a bunch

1493
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:39,439
Speaker 1: of folks like in your core friends group that are like,

1494
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:42,360
Speaker 1: let's go hunting, let's go hunting, or are they not

1495
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:47,160
Speaker 1: in the hunting world? So I not industry, but like

1496
01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:50,400
Speaker 1: like to be outdoors, like like hunting. I have friends

1497
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:53,920
Speaker 1: that are in the industry that I will go hunting

1498
01:23:53,920 --> 01:24:00,920
Speaker 1: with um. But when I wasn't of value to them,

1499
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:05,200
Speaker 1: I lost a lot of friends. I mean, if I

1500
01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:07,479
Speaker 1: didn't bring it to the table, whoa you know. And

1501
01:24:07,479 --> 01:24:10,320
Speaker 1: the funny thing is, like I think like to like

1502
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:15,400
Speaker 1: the pretty trade shows, like we're all buddy buddy shaking hands.

1503
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:17,080
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I miss is great to see all

1504
01:24:17,080 --> 01:24:20,559
Speaker 1: this stuff for the rest of the three hundred sixty days,

1505
01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:24,320
Speaker 1: three and six whatever days, I don't even worry from them.

1506
01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:26,200
Speaker 1: I don't know who you are. You go to a

1507
01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:28,200
Speaker 1: different show, they're like, oh, well who are you? I

1508
01:24:28,240 --> 01:24:29,800
Speaker 1: mean like that's the kind of that's the kind of

1509
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:32,160
Speaker 1: people like we're running with it, this industry. Like if

1510
01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:35,400
Speaker 1: it doesn't benefit them at the time, then you know,

1511
01:24:35,439 --> 01:24:38,640
Speaker 1: you're just another sticking away. But man, I think that

1512
01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:41,080
Speaker 1: you're no, no, no, no no, I'm not I'm saying that.

1513
01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:43,559
Speaker 1: You're like like, I'm not saying it for anybody. I

1514
01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:47,280
Speaker 1: just have a bad I have a bad um sense

1515
01:24:47,320 --> 01:24:49,920
Speaker 1: of picking people. But I think you're talking about people.

1516
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:53,640
Speaker 1: I don't think you're talking about the hunting industry. But

1517
01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:58,559
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know, Like if we're in cosmetics industry,

1518
01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:00,960
Speaker 1: I feel like maybe would have found the same thing.

1519
01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:04,760
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it's in every industry. I'm not trying

1520
01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:07,000
Speaker 1: to like stand around and like stick up for you know,

1521
01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:10,200
Speaker 1: like I play in the hunting industry considerably. I'm not

1522
01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:12,920
Speaker 1: sitting around trying to be their advocate in mouthpiece or something.

1523
01:25:12,920 --> 01:25:14,519
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, I feel like it's just you

1524
01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:19,000
Speaker 1: found out some ship about life to say this is

1525
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:21,280
Speaker 1: just specific to this. No, no, no, no, I I

1526
01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:23,760
Speaker 1: agree it's it's it's in life in general. But I

1527
01:25:23,800 --> 01:25:25,920
Speaker 1: was so stuck in that round, like that's what I

1528
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:33,240
Speaker 1: was surrounded wish I understanding understanding from them. But now, um,

1529
01:25:33,320 --> 01:25:36,240
Speaker 1: you're you're you do want to come and like you're

1530
01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:38,880
Speaker 1: ready to talk again, but you want to talk to

1531
01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:41,920
Speaker 1: new people. Yeah, I mean not like I don't mind

1532
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:43,840
Speaker 1: talking about I'll talk to anybody. I'll talk to the wall.

1533
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:47,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna bother me. I'll get you certain trouble in

1534
01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:52,559
Speaker 1: some quarters. I mean, like speaking is like what your

1535
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:55,360
Speaker 1: eyes are, Like, I just want to get I want

1536
01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:58,320
Speaker 1: to get out of that scene, like because like I

1537
01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:01,240
Speaker 1: was so saturated and a in the whole hunting in

1538
01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:04,160
Speaker 1: issue round like I didn't know anything else. So like

1539
01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:06,360
Speaker 1: now I'm just like, okay, well it's not for me

1540
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:09,920
Speaker 1: to you know, venture out and do more stuff. What

1541
01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:11,720
Speaker 1: what industry working in right now? Like you just went

1542
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:14,080
Speaker 1: like during your detox, you just went working in a

1543
01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:17,960
Speaker 1: completely unrelated world. Yeah no, I'd like from my detox,

1544
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:20,840
Speaker 1: like I went from so like I went like this

1545
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:25,760
Speaker 1: is how like crazy was. I went from um, you know,

1546
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:29,519
Speaker 1: driven in a hunting instrue guy, Like I finished, like

1547
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:33,120
Speaker 1: I think last spring, I did like a Turkey Turkey tour.

1548
01:26:33,160 --> 01:26:34,800
Speaker 1: I do a Turkey too every year. So I did

1549
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:37,080
Speaker 1: that and like after I finished that, like I got

1550
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:41,599
Speaker 1: back home, was like all right, cool, Um, I love

1551
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:44,559
Speaker 1: hunting up happy hunting, but I don't want to stick

1552
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:46,599
Speaker 1: in this round anymore. Like it's just like it's not

1553
01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:49,240
Speaker 1: what makes me happy, like it it took a lot

1554
01:26:49,240 --> 01:26:53,000
Speaker 1: of the passion away from me. So I left there

1555
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:56,040
Speaker 1: and I worked at a freaking car dealership like completely

1556
01:26:56,040 --> 01:27:00,280
Speaker 1: opposite of anything. But I wanted to get into the

1557
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:03,680
Speaker 1: field of the real world and get out of you know,

1558
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:07,840
Speaker 1: this saturation that I've been in for so long. So

1559
01:27:08,479 --> 01:27:14,439
Speaker 1: I did that from there. Uh it was That was

1560
01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:16,760
Speaker 1: the worst shop I've ever had. Like that was way

1561
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:19,920
Speaker 1: worse than anything every did. Would hunt the entry. It's terrible.

1562
01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:22,080
Speaker 1: So if anybody every wants to buy a car, you

1563
01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:26,200
Speaker 1: do not call me. So you're trying to sell cars? No, no,

1564
01:27:26,200 --> 01:27:28,559
Speaker 1: no, no no. I wasn't it salesman. I was UM it's

1565
01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:31,240
Speaker 1: a b DC is what it's called. So like I

1566
01:27:31,240 --> 01:27:34,840
Speaker 1: would be the person to um get people in to

1567
01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:40,240
Speaker 1: um buy cars. It was more like a UM, let

1568
01:27:40,280 --> 01:27:42,920
Speaker 1: me come you like this, let me introduce you to

1569
01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:46,439
Speaker 1: our top sales gas. Yeah something like that. Yeah yeah yeah.

1570
01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:48,040
Speaker 1: I even grew the hair out, like I had the

1571
01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:51,800
Speaker 1: whole car salesman. Look, car salesman has longer hair. Well,

1572
01:27:51,800 --> 01:27:54,400
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the slick back like the ninet

1573
01:27:54,720 --> 01:27:57,840
Speaker 1: eight car salesman with like the old suit, like the

1574
01:27:57,880 --> 01:28:00,160
Speaker 1: slick back hair like too much gas. Yeah, that was me.

1575
01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:02,960
Speaker 1: I grew my hair out everything like it was terrible.

1576
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:05,519
Speaker 1: It was I was going through some rough times back then.

1577
01:28:06,640 --> 01:28:11,880
Speaker 1: He can cast where so it was your dad, right

1578
01:28:11,960 --> 01:28:16,120
Speaker 1: because he's this hounds man. Those are very dedicated people.

1579
01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:20,280
Speaker 1: Um was he supportive of you as he like proud

1580
01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:25,599
Speaker 1: of you, uh you know, quote unquote making an name

1581
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:30,920
Speaker 1: for yourself in hunting or was he kind of like

1582
01:28:31,240 --> 01:28:34,599
Speaker 1: I don't really know about that side of hunting now,

1583
01:28:34,840 --> 01:28:39,280
Speaker 1: I think my families would was supportive about it. I

1584
01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:43,800
Speaker 1: mean honestly I was. I was, and I'm still one

1585
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:45,840
Speaker 1: of those guys. If I want to do something, just

1586
01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:48,720
Speaker 1: had to do it, you know, like they didn't have

1587
01:28:48,840 --> 01:28:53,560
Speaker 1: a a particular say so on me. Just packed my

1588
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:55,439
Speaker 1: bags that were going, honey go and try across world.

1589
01:28:55,479 --> 01:28:58,880
Speaker 1: I mean like I would literally leave my house one

1590
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:01,880
Speaker 1: day and I'd come back two months later. I mean,

1591
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:03,640
Speaker 1: it's just that's the decision that I wanted to make

1592
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:07,519
Speaker 1: in life, you know, And that's what I was so

1593
01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:14,280
Speaker 1: focused on being successful and accomplishing things that I sacrificed

1594
01:29:14,360 --> 01:29:16,400
Speaker 1: a lot. I mean I sacrificed a lot of time.

1595
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:19,920
Speaker 1: I sacrifice, Like I remember, I I think I went

1596
01:29:21,320 --> 01:29:23,640
Speaker 1: three or four years without being at home for crystalers

1597
01:29:23,560 --> 01:29:26,000
Speaker 1: and thanks even like I just I never saw my

1598
01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:28,400
Speaker 1: family because I was always on the road trying to

1599
01:29:28,479 --> 01:29:32,439
Speaker 1: be in that next level of success. So I mean,

1600
01:29:32,479 --> 01:29:35,519
Speaker 1: I I they were supportive in that fact that you know,

1601
01:29:35,560 --> 01:29:39,320
Speaker 1: I was driven up to do that. But you're thinking

1602
01:29:39,400 --> 01:29:44,439
Speaker 1: now about now that you kind of dusted off, you're

1603
01:29:44,439 --> 01:29:47,720
Speaker 1: thinking now about going back out in the world to

1604
01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:51,320
Speaker 1: talk to people again. Yeah, I mean that's that's what

1605
01:29:51,479 --> 01:29:54,360
Speaker 1: that's my passion. Like I think, you know, everybody has

1606
01:29:54,439 --> 01:29:58,920
Speaker 1: a gift, and my gift is to UM I'm a

1607
01:29:59,240 --> 01:30:04,760
Speaker 1: I'm a people pleaser, like bad situations to get situations,

1608
01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:08,680
Speaker 1: Like I can figure out ways to um make a

1609
01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:12,920
Speaker 1: situation be viewed from a different aspect, and like, I

1610
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:16,559
Speaker 1: think that's what really drives That's what I'm really passionate about. UM.

1611
01:30:16,600 --> 01:30:18,599
Speaker 1: So what's the Like, what if you're going to talk

1612
01:30:18,600 --> 01:30:24,400
Speaker 1: to people and you have an audience in front of you, UM,

1613
01:30:24,520 --> 01:30:28,519
Speaker 1: what's the takeaway? Like the takeaway of your talk isn't

1614
01:30:28,640 --> 01:30:31,200
Speaker 1: that you're a people pleaser? No? No, no, no. So

1615
01:30:32,680 --> 01:30:37,200
Speaker 1: I think it's more about um overcoming life. You know,

1616
01:30:37,240 --> 01:30:39,720
Speaker 1: everybody's faces with challenge and obstacles with the life. You know,

1617
01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:43,960
Speaker 1: it's either it's either you fight through it or you

1618
01:30:44,040 --> 01:30:45,840
Speaker 1: give up. And you know, I was at that point

1619
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:47,600
Speaker 1: where I wanted to give up many times, and I

1620
01:30:47,680 --> 01:30:50,599
Speaker 1: never did it because I knew that if I kept

1621
01:30:50,640 --> 01:30:53,840
Speaker 1: pushing through, I kept fighting, like it would eventually get better.

1622
01:30:54,040 --> 01:30:56,200
Speaker 1: It's not gonna be easy, but it's gonna get better.

1623
01:30:56,400 --> 01:30:59,360
Speaker 1: And once it gets better, you know better, it gets

1624
01:30:59,360 --> 01:31:01,400
Speaker 1: too phenomenal. And I want to be at a phenomenal

1625
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:03,439
Speaker 1: level in my life, you know. And there's like a

1626
01:31:03,479 --> 01:31:06,760
Speaker 1: lot of people that struggle with things on a daily basis.

1627
01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:09,479
Speaker 1: Everybody struggles with something on a daily basis. So if

1628
01:31:09,560 --> 01:31:15,000
Speaker 1: I can get someone to figure a way too understand

1629
01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:17,760
Speaker 1: that what they're going through is not something that they

1630
01:31:17,800 --> 01:31:19,800
Speaker 1: have to go through or have to stay in that

1631
01:31:19,880 --> 01:31:22,679
Speaker 1: situation like that is what like I want to present.

1632
01:31:22,920 --> 01:31:25,560
Speaker 1: I mean, because like that, we are only here to

1633
01:31:26,120 --> 01:31:29,040
Speaker 1: deal with bad issues for a moment our lives. It's

1634
01:31:29,080 --> 01:31:32,040
Speaker 1: not gonna take over our lives, you know. So being

1635
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:35,439
Speaker 1: able to present a different side and a different outlook

1636
01:31:35,479 --> 01:31:38,960
Speaker 1: on life to someone is what I want to present

1637
01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:42,360
Speaker 1: to people. Um, I've had people that have been in

1638
01:31:42,720 --> 01:31:47,800
Speaker 1: way worse situations I have, and they have failed to

1639
01:31:47,880 --> 01:31:51,360
Speaker 1: understand that life stunt over. You know, you can still

1640
01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:54,519
Speaker 1: move on no matter how dark your days are. I mean,

1641
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:58,360
Speaker 1: like after every storm and sunshine, I mean there's something

1642
01:31:58,439 --> 01:32:00,960
Speaker 1: better for you in life. You just have to understand it.

1643
01:32:00,960 --> 01:32:04,479
Speaker 1: It's out there. You have to keep wanting it, you know.

1644
01:32:05,240 --> 01:32:06,640
Speaker 1: I think I think about when you bring that up,

1645
01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:12,479
Speaker 1: is just haven't been uh always just like you know,

1646
01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:15,920
Speaker 1: just like blessed and lucky right now you but me,

1647
01:32:16,040 --> 01:32:18,880
Speaker 1: I just you know, like I don't know, just lucky.

1648
01:32:19,360 --> 01:32:21,439
Speaker 1: And sometimes I'll wake up in the morning and my

1649
01:32:21,479 --> 01:32:23,200
Speaker 1: kids will come down, all three of our kids will

1650
01:32:23,200 --> 01:32:26,280
Speaker 1: be coming back with me, my wife, you know, And

1651
01:32:26,360 --> 01:32:27,920
Speaker 1: instead of thinking like you're saying, like I want to

1652
01:32:27,920 --> 01:32:29,760
Speaker 1: get I want things to get better and better and

1653
01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:34,120
Speaker 1: then phenomenal, I think like, how could this perfection continue?

1654
01:32:34,240 --> 01:32:36,759
Speaker 1: Like there's no way, like something bad has to happen,

1655
01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:40,760
Speaker 1: Like like how could how could one get so lucky?

1656
01:32:41,160 --> 01:32:43,560
Speaker 1: And I think they have probably there if there's a

1657
01:32:43,600 --> 01:32:46,080
Speaker 1: blessing to having just like such a major setback like

1658
01:32:46,160 --> 01:32:49,080
Speaker 1: you had, it would probably too to get some reality there,

1659
01:32:49,840 --> 01:32:51,880
Speaker 1: you know, Like what I remember one time being down

1660
01:32:51,880 --> 01:32:53,200
Speaker 1: in Florida and we're like on the beach, me and

1661
01:32:53,240 --> 01:32:55,080
Speaker 1: my wife on the beach from Pham vacation. We only

1662
01:32:55,120 --> 01:32:57,479
Speaker 1: had two kids at the time. The kids are playing,

1663
01:32:57,720 --> 01:33:00,680
Speaker 1: they're like helping you already somersaults and like things are

1664
01:33:00,760 --> 01:33:03,240
Speaker 1: so perfect, it makes me feel like something bad is coming.

1665
01:33:08,360 --> 01:33:13,040
Speaker 1: What happened? No, there you go. Well, you know what,

1666
01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:14,599
Speaker 1: what we didn't know at that time was we had

1667
01:33:14,720 --> 01:33:18,120
Speaker 1: firmly agreed that two kids was more than enough, and

1668
01:33:18,160 --> 01:33:20,880
Speaker 1: we didn't know that. It's funny that story particular is

1669
01:33:20,960 --> 01:33:22,719
Speaker 1: we didn't know that at that moment she was pregnant

1670
01:33:22,760 --> 01:33:27,439
Speaker 1: with our third, which was like kicked the nuts. But

1671
01:33:27,560 --> 01:33:30,760
Speaker 1: in the end, yeah, in the end, it's like, you know,

1672
01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:34,519
Speaker 1: like everybody like everybody says, like such a blessing, right,

1673
01:33:34,840 --> 01:33:37,080
Speaker 1: and it is, it's amazing. But at the time, so

1674
01:33:37,280 --> 01:33:39,160
Speaker 1: when she's that's what we laughed about. Later it was

1675
01:33:39,200 --> 01:33:44,439
Speaker 1: like something bad another kid. This kind of back cuddling.

1676
01:33:44,520 --> 01:33:49,160
Speaker 1: That what Cal asked about your dad, Uh, how how

1677
01:33:49,200 --> 01:33:51,479
Speaker 1: your dad felt about you kind of getting so deep

1678
01:33:51,520 --> 01:33:52,960
Speaker 1: in the industry. But I kind of wanted to know,

1679
01:33:53,000 --> 01:33:55,080
Speaker 1: you said, you say that you don't really remember what

1680
01:33:55,200 --> 01:33:58,200
Speaker 1: kind of guilt your dad was carrying, like shortly after

1681
01:33:58,240 --> 01:34:02,880
Speaker 1: the accident. Ten years pass after the accident, then you

1682
01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:06,160
Speaker 1: start to kind of make a living and gain nationwide,

1683
01:34:06,240 --> 01:34:09,920
Speaker 1: worldwide attention from not only your calls but also retelling

1684
01:34:09,960 --> 01:34:13,280
Speaker 1: the story, a big shot by your dad, And I

1685
01:34:13,320 --> 01:34:15,519
Speaker 1: mean you think that after ten years there's probably a

1686
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:18,080
Speaker 1: lot of healing, healing happening like between just like with

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01:34:18,120 --> 01:34:20,559
Speaker 1: the guilt he was carrying maybe that and then all

1688
01:34:20,600 --> 01:34:21,880
Speaker 1: of a sudden, it just like it was it like

1689
01:34:21,920 --> 01:34:24,200
Speaker 1: a wound opening back up for him that you were

1690
01:34:24,240 --> 01:34:29,200
Speaker 1: touring the country telling this story. Do you think there

1691
01:34:29,240 --> 01:34:30,960
Speaker 1: was any like obviously he was probably proud of you

1692
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:35,000
Speaker 1: for for getting up there and becoming a speaker. And

1693
01:34:35,720 --> 01:34:40,040
Speaker 1: but after I already do you think there was any

1694
01:34:40,080 --> 01:34:42,320
Speaker 1: resentment at all? You know, it's kind of what it

1695
01:34:42,439 --> 01:34:44,920
Speaker 1: deals was like, Hey day, you remember that time you

1696
01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:47,840
Speaker 1: shot me? Yeah, here's a video and you're gonna watch

1697
01:34:47,840 --> 01:34:51,240
Speaker 1: this here now it sounds very sad piano music. Yeah,

1698
01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:54,240
Speaker 1: like very depressing. And they're like, okay, yeah, give me

1699
01:34:54,280 --> 01:34:55,920
Speaker 1: a credit card, like I want to buy a truck.

1700
01:34:56,200 --> 01:34:58,600
Speaker 1: Like it's that I don't guilty of Anybody has a

1701
01:34:58,600 --> 01:35:03,080
Speaker 1: big you know your dad Okay, Oh yeah, my dad's fine. Uh.

1702
01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:08,160
Speaker 1: We don't turkey out together anymore, communicate with him, but

1703
01:35:08,200 --> 01:35:11,120
Speaker 1: you know I'm talking out together. I mean it's a

1704
01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:14,840
Speaker 1: different subs every different day. But now, I mean for

1705
01:35:15,000 --> 01:35:18,360
Speaker 1: as far as you know, opening that well, I don't

1706
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:22,360
Speaker 1: think I think it's healed. I honestly think it's too.

1707
01:35:22,520 --> 01:35:28,160
Speaker 1: But being able to show that it it didn't hinder

1708
01:35:28,240 --> 01:35:30,920
Speaker 1: me in life, I think that that's something that has

1709
01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:35,200
Speaker 1: helped him heal. I think it's helped you know, me

1710
01:35:35,320 --> 01:35:37,640
Speaker 1: and my whole family heal from a situation. Because I mean,

1711
01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:41,040
Speaker 1: I don't I don't look at my accident as it was,

1712
01:35:41,720 --> 01:35:46,160
Speaker 1: um something devastating, like I'm grateful for it. You know,

1713
01:35:46,320 --> 01:35:49,719
Speaker 1: it wouldn't it would not have made Yeah, it would

1714
01:35:49,720 --> 01:35:52,519
Speaker 1: have I it would not have made me the person

1715
01:35:52,560 --> 01:35:55,280
Speaker 1: that I am right now if it didn't happen. I

1716
01:35:55,280 --> 01:35:57,320
Speaker 1: mean there's no telling what I would have been doing

1717
01:35:57,479 --> 01:36:00,080
Speaker 1: or you know what kind of guy I would have

1718
01:36:00,120 --> 01:36:02,559
Speaker 1: been if my actually never happened, Like it humbled me

1719
01:36:02,680 --> 01:36:06,880
Speaker 1: so much, um because like I said, you know, we

1720
01:36:06,960 --> 01:36:10,479
Speaker 1: take things for granted all the time, Like I could

1721
01:36:10,520 --> 01:36:12,720
Speaker 1: have been a selfish prick if I'd never got a

1722
01:36:12,760 --> 01:36:15,559
Speaker 1: leg saying away from me like now, like I cherished

1723
01:36:15,640 --> 01:36:18,080
Speaker 1: the little things, like I'm grateful for so much more now.

1724
01:36:18,840 --> 01:36:20,799
Speaker 1: So like I just don't. I don't think my accident

1725
01:36:20,920 --> 01:36:23,320
Speaker 1: was one of those deals where you know, I should

1726
01:36:23,360 --> 01:36:25,479
Speaker 1: get bitter over to me, and I think it's one

1727
01:36:25,479 --> 01:36:28,679
Speaker 1: of those things that really humbled me alife. You could

1728
01:36:28,680 --> 01:36:30,519
Speaker 1: have been the type of dude who whendn't throwing a

1729
01:36:30,640 --> 01:36:32,160
Speaker 1: road killed deer in the back of the track of

1730
01:36:32,240 --> 01:36:37,120
Speaker 1: the ranch. You know that's never gonna happen again. So

1731
01:36:37,280 --> 01:36:41,280
Speaker 1: if if, if people want as much as you're wanting

1732
01:36:41,320 --> 01:36:44,880
Speaker 1: to do this, if people want to contact you UM

1733
01:36:45,160 --> 01:36:46,880
Speaker 1: to talk about haven't you come and talk to a

1734
01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:49,120
Speaker 1: group or how do they do it? How do they

1735
01:36:49,120 --> 01:36:51,640
Speaker 1: get a hold of you? I think the easiest way

1736
01:36:51,680 --> 01:36:53,960
Speaker 1: to get ahold of me is uh. I have a

1737
01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:56,840
Speaker 1: Facebook page is called Son of the South s O

1738
01:36:57,120 --> 01:37:00,160
Speaker 1: n of the South, and I think that's probably he's

1739
01:37:00,200 --> 01:37:03,840
Speaker 1: the way to message me. Um, I stay on, I

1740
01:37:03,920 --> 01:37:05,519
Speaker 1: used to say on social media a lot, but I've

1741
01:37:06,240 --> 01:37:09,120
Speaker 1: laid back on that pretty much. But if you wanted

1742
01:37:09,120 --> 01:37:10,680
Speaker 1: to get and send your message, it can still find you.

1743
01:37:10,760 --> 01:37:12,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I'm not hard to five. Just look

1744
01:37:12,840 --> 01:37:15,880
Speaker 1: for a black gund of wheelchair making animal sounds not

1745
01:37:15,960 --> 01:37:18,840
Speaker 1: hard to find at all. The group narrows down quick,

1746
01:37:19,680 --> 01:37:23,120
Speaker 1: all right, man, this has been great. Uh, Josh Carney

1747
01:37:23,479 --> 01:37:26,519
Speaker 1: Son of the South. Sometimes they get called mouth for

1748
01:37:26,520 --> 01:37:28,400
Speaker 1: the South. Don't know why. They're probably gonna talk a

1749
01:37:28,400 --> 01:37:33,440
Speaker 1: lot like, yeah, we'll stick with Son of Himself, you know. Yeah,

1750
01:37:33,439 --> 01:37:36,479
Speaker 1: thanks so much for coming on man. And yeah, now

1751
01:37:36,479 --> 01:37:37,800
Speaker 1: that you told everybody how to find you, do you

1752
01:37:37,800 --> 01:37:40,599
Speaker 1: want to learn more about Josh Go track them down.

1753
01:37:41,439 --> 01:38:00,160
Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Thank you s