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Speaker 1: Let's talk about nurse re rhyme conservatism tonight. Sean Spicer

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Speaker 1: is here. He's going to talk about this Trump Biden debate,

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Speaker 1: culture war stuff, all that and more coming up. And

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Speaker 1: I'm right, all right, Before we get to nurse re

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Speaker 1: rhyme conservatism, Let's do something we do all the time

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Speaker 1: on the show, way too often, but something we feel

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Speaker 1: strongly about.

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Speaker 2: We honor the fallen, especially the fallen in training.

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Speaker 1: Captain John Robertson US Air Force captain just lost his life.

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Speaker 1: He was training at a base in Texas. There was

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Speaker 1: some sort of ejection seat mishap on the ground. I

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Speaker 1: don't know the details. I don't care. I just want

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Speaker 1: us all to honor this warrior. Gave his life for

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Speaker 1: his country. Pray for his family, all right, rest in peace.

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Speaker 1: Now there's a phrase I use a lot, and I

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Speaker 1: feel like it probably should explain it in a little

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Speaker 1: more depth. Nursery rhyme conservatism. What does that mean? Nursery

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Speaker 1: rhyme conservatism. Well, there are a lot of reasons for

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Speaker 1: why I think nursery rhyme conservatism exists, and maybe to

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Speaker 1: explain what it is, I should start with those reasons

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Speaker 1: first and foremost, we are a nation that was founded

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Speaker 1: by Christians, by born again Christians. That's what we were

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Speaker 1: founded by. Go read all the writings of the founders.

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Speaker 1: Go read how they thought about God and everything else.

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Speaker 1: Go read the Declaration of Independence. It's God all throughout

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Speaker 1: the thing. We were a country founded by Christians. And

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Speaker 1: while obviously any one religion, one belief system, doesn't have

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Speaker 1: a monopoly on peace. And I realized Christians have done

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Speaker 1: violent things throughout history like any other religions have. But

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Speaker 1: in general Christians are taught to be peaceful people, to

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Speaker 2: That is very much what they believe.

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Speaker 1: Hey, just love and love and turn the other cheek and.

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Speaker 2: Love and love and love and love and love.

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Speaker 1: And I have huge problems with that kind of teaching,

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Speaker 1: not with Christianity, not with the Bible.

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Speaker 2: I think it's being abused.

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Speaker 1: But that has been a strain that has run through

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Speaker 1: this country, and it's been a great thing for the

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Speaker 1: most part. Let me be clear about that. We are

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Speaker 1: a nation that focused on morality, on right and wrong.

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Speaker 1: We want to do things the right way. Have we always?

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Speaker 1: Of course, not no nation does, But we have wanted

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Speaker 1: to do things the right way. So that's part of it,

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Speaker 1: and that's a good part of nursery rhyme conservatism. And

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Speaker 1: there's another part of the why nursery rhyme conservatism exists.

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Speaker 1: And this part is, well, it's cowardice masked as virtue.

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Speaker 1: That's really what it is. Cowardice masked as virtue. So

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Speaker 1: let me ask you something. Think about this. Have you

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Speaker 1: ever heard of speaking of the Bible? Have you ever

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Speaker 1: heard of the Bible's reference Psalm twenty three to the

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Speaker 1: Valley of the Shadow of Death. Everyone has heard of that, everybody,

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Speaker 1: whether you go to church or not, everyone's heard. Yea,

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Speaker 1: though I walk through the Valley of the Shadow of Death,

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Speaker 1: everyone's heard of it. Well, did you know that that

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Speaker 1: is actually a valley. It's more like a canyon, a gully,

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Speaker 2: And one of the fascinating.

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Speaker 1: Things about it, beyond the fact that King David was

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Speaker 1: valley at one point in time, beyond that, if you

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Speaker 1: look down in it at a certain place, you will

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Speaker 2: I'm going somewhere with this. You just gonna have to

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Speaker 1: And it's built down in the bottom of the canyon

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Speaker 2: The coolest freaking thing in the world.

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Speaker 1: And there are to this day there are monks and

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Speaker 1: live there, and what do they do all day long?

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Speaker 1: They read the Bible, they pray, they worship, they are

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Speaker 1: they have dedicated their their lives to that life. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's fine, that's good. It's a cool thing.

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Speaker 2: Now, let's good to New York City NYPD cop.

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Speaker 1: He he had a rough beat last night.

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Speaker 1: Man was trying to attack him, trying to attack his partner.

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Speaker 2: Now, let me ask you something.

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Speaker 1: Is the monk who has separated himself from the world

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Speaker 1: a better person? Is he a holier person, a more

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Speaker 2: No, he's not. The cop has chosen to.

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Speaker 1: Wade into the world to fight back against the evil,

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Speaker 2: I'm not insulting the monk.

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Speaker 1: Good for the monk, but I do not look at

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Speaker 2: I simply don't. We have abused the word of God.

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Speaker 1: We've abused so many things in this country that we truly,

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Speaker 1: truly believe. On the right, so much of the right,

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Speaker 1: maybe not you, but so much of the right truly.

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Speaker 2: Believes to fight back is wrong.

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Speaker 1: To wade into the muck and fight against evil is

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Speaker 1: somehow immoral or a violation of our principles. When if

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Speaker 1: times throughout the Bible, there are examples of calling out evil.

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Speaker 1: Jesus himself, you hypocrites, You brewed of vipers, King David

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Speaker 1: after God's own heart. That stuff's in the Bible too.

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Speaker 1: But nursery rhyme conservatism has taught the right not to

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Speaker 1: fight back. In fact, it's taught the right that if

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Speaker 1: they lose to the communists because they refuse to fight back,

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Speaker 1: that they're the good guys. That you can sit there

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Speaker 1: and lose, you can give up your country, you can

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Speaker 1: give up your culture. You can never make them feel pain.

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Speaker 1: You don't try to make enemies of anybody. You don't

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Speaker 1: try to take away their power. But if you lose,

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Speaker 1: and you lose the right way, you did the right thing.

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Speaker 1: That's nursery rhyme conservatism. Nursery rhyme conservatism believes Marvel movies

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Speaker 1: teeth and perfect manners can come along and he'll fight

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Speaker 1: against evil, but he'll do it the right way. He'll

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Speaker 1: do it politely every single time. That's not how life works.

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Speaker 1: You remember, do you remember you want to see nursery

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Speaker 1: rhyme conservatism. Do you remember when Bill Barr, Trump's second

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Speaker 2: Remember when he got up and said.

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Speaker 3: This, those who broke the laws will be held to account.

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Speaker 3: But this cannot be and it will not be a

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Speaker 3: tit for tat exercise. We are not going to lower

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Speaker 3: the standards just to achieve a result. The only way

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Speaker 3: to stop this vicious cycle, the only way to break

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Speaker 3: away from a dual system of justice, is to make

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Speaker 3: sure that we scrupulously apply the single and proper standard

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Speaker 3: of justice for everybody.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that is so inspiring.

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Speaker 1: And now that Joe Biden's president and his Attorney General,

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Speaker 1: Merrick Growin have taken over. Do you see how inspired

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Speaker 1: the communist was by Bill Barr's good conduct.

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Speaker 2: It's been amazing.

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Speaker 1: They looked at Bill Barr and they said, Wow, that's

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Speaker 1: a guy. He's not abusing his office, he's not attacking

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Speaker 2: Guys, I'm inspired. I think I'll do the same. Isn't

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Speaker 2: that what Joe Biden Merrick Garland said. No, it's not.

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Speaker 1: Laying down for evil is not good, it is not moral,

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Speaker 1: it is not right.

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Speaker 2: You will hear people say things on the right. The right.

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Speaker 2: The right loves to say these things.

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Speaker 1: When fighting monsters, be careful never to become a monster.

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Speaker 2: It's an old Nitsky quote. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: United States Marines in the Pacific used to take explosives

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Speaker 2: And sometimes there.

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Speaker 1: Were women and children being used as human shields in

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Speaker 2: Or they would all die.

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Speaker 1: Were they wrong or were they fighting against evil? And

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Speaker 1: when you fight against evil, you often have to get

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Speaker 1: your hands dirty. I'm not calling for anyone to be evil.

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Speaker 1: I'm not calling for anyone to be immoral. But this

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Speaker 1: nursery rhyme conservatism.

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Speaker 4: We're better than that.

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Speaker 2: My principles is.

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Speaker 1: Exactly what has gotten us here. And you know how

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Speaker 1: you know that whenever you see anyone on the right

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Speaker 1: talk like that, the communists love it.

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Speaker 2: They sit back.

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Speaker 1: They see Bill Barr give a speech about no tit

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Speaker 2: And they laugh these jumps.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing moral, there's nothing biblical. There's nothing right about

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Speaker 1: allowing your country and your culture to turn into filth

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Speaker 1: like we have allowed ourselves to happen here. They're cutting

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Speaker 1: the penises off of teenage boys in this country. I

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Speaker 1: don't want to hear about your principles. I want you

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Speaker 1: to fight back against the demons. Reject nursery rhyme conservatism

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Speaker 1: wherever you find it. Whenever anybody tries to throw roadblocks,

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Speaker 1: stumbling blocks in front of you, when you're ready to

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Speaker 1: fight back against evil, you politely tell them to get

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Speaker 1: their soft butts back to the sidelines where they belong,

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Speaker 1: because it is time for us to take back power.

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Speaker 2: And think like conquerors.

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Speaker 1: You have communists in your area, no matter where you're

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Speaker 1: listening to me. Maybe they're on the school board, they

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Speaker 1: the parks department. I don't know where they are. You

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Speaker 1: can live peacefully with them if you want. I suggest

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Speaker 1: you go take their power away from them. Go make

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Speaker 1: an enemy. All that may have made you uncomfortable, but

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Speaker 1: I am right now. We have a bunch we have

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Speaker 1: to discuss. Let's discuss the debate. Is Trump Biden debate

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Speaker 1: with Sean Spicer in a moment. Before we discuss that,

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Speaker 1: let's discuss the timeshare. You think you're stuck in, but

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Speaker 1: you're not. Lone Star Transfer will legally and permanently get

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Speaker 1: you out of your time share. All you have to

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Speaker 1: do is call them. I know these timeshare companies do

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Speaker 1: this to everyone.

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Speaker 2: You're not alone.

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Speaker 1: They trap you in, they don't tell you you're locked

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Speaker 1: in for life, and soon you want out and they.

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Speaker 2: Tell you you can't get out. Pay your annual fees.

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Speaker 2: We'll sue you.

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Speaker 1: Stop calling the timeshare company, stop emailing them. They're the

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Speaker 1: con artists. Call Loan Star Transfer. This is a family business.

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Speaker 1: A plus rating with the Better Business Bureau, and they're

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Speaker 1: successful ninety nine percent of the time legally and permanently

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Speaker 1: getting you out. Make a phone call eight four four

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Speaker 5: Explanation was not they didn't like Donald Trump. They said

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Speaker 5: he participated in an erection, and I have to its insurrection, sorry,

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Speaker 5: in an insurrection, And I have to say I got

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Speaker 5: up at five this morning to do Casey Hunts Show,

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Speaker 5: and I'm exhausted.

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Speaker 1: Not Jake Tapper's finest hour, but I I can't wait

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Speaker 1: to see him moderate a debate between Trump and Biden.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure Trump hating Jake tapparrel hen with that.

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Speaker 1: Well, joining me now, my friend Sean Spicer of The

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Speaker 1: Incredible Sean Spicer Show, Monday through Friday, seven pm Eastern,

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Speaker 1: right here on the first TVs, on YouTube, Rumble, Apple, Spotify,

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Speaker 1: Sean's friggin everywhere. Of course he would be okay, Sean.

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Speaker 1: Look, obviously Donald Trump has out outstanding energy, especially for

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden is half dead. Everyone can see that.

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Speaker 1: So if they're going to debate, the only way, the

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Speaker 2: Could you explain that to me, Sean.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Sean, I want to lean on your knowledge here

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Speaker 6: Number One, we negotiated forums and primary debates. That's different,

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Speaker 6: This is all on Biden's terms. The one thing that

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Speaker 6: important because look at Jesse.

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Speaker 4: There is nothing, nothing going.

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Speaker 6: Well in this country when it comes to our policy,

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Speaker 6: look foreign policy wise, the failed Afghanistan withdrawal has led

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Speaker 4: Joe, tell me what you've done. Well, here's what I did.

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Speaker 6: Energy independence, secure the border, the economy had the lowest

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Speaker 7: It.

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Speaker 2: It's the contrast is so stark if he can do that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Trump went on Hugh Hewitt's show and he said

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Speaker 2: You and I have talked about it before. Anyway, Here's

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Speaker 8: But I really think he has to debate. He might

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Speaker 8: as well get it over with. Probably should do it

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Speaker 8: early so that he can. You know, he's not going

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Speaker 3: Do you think if his infirmity increases, they will dump

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Speaker 8: I do, I do, and I don't think they'll have

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Speaker 1: Uh, Sean, I one hundred percent agree with Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: What do you do with Dome? What do you do

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Speaker 2: with other things?

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Speaker 1: But they can take all the things people are mad

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Speaker 1: about that you just pointed out, drop him in Joe's wheel,

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Speaker 1: Am I crazy?

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Speaker 8: No?

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Speaker 6: And here's what people have to understand. There's two scenarios

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Speaker 6: I am releasing my delegates, vote for whomever you want.

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Speaker 6: Allow the convention to do this, which is what happened

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Speaker 6: do is anoint his successor and after the convention, once

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Speaker 4: And I agree with you.

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Speaker 6: If you can put somebody in that has a very

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Speaker 4: Here's why I'm new and different.

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Speaker 6: I'm not Joe Biden, which is frankly what people don't like,

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Speaker 6: even Democrats. But if you could tell Democrats and progressive

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Speaker 6: here you go, we got a fresh face for you.

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Speaker 6: I think that's going to be important to keep in mind.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I agree with you, Sean. You are the best my brother.

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Speaker 1: I wish you were in Milwaukee with me to break bread,

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Speaker 1: but I guess.

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Speaker 2: We'll have to get together another time. Sean. Thank you, Bud.

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Speaker 1: All Right, we have Mary Mark grit Ola Han coming

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Speaker 2: Margaret. Have you slept well lately? You we have trouble sleeping,

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Speaker 1: What do you do? You take something, don't you? Everyone

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Speaker 7: No?

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Speaker 2: You feel like crap? I do.

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Speaker 1: It's happened to me, my whole life. I can't see better.

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Speaker 1: It's delicious. It's essentially a cup of cinnamon hot chocolate.

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Speaker 1: I have every single night before bet warm up, a

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Speaker 1: good to you? Your whole life gets better when you

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Speaker 1: sleep well. Go get some dream powder Shopbeam dot com

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Speaker 1: slash Jesse Kelly gets you forty percent off, So don't

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Speaker 9: Our own nation is led by a man who publicly

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Speaker 9: that I'm sure to many people it appears that you

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Speaker 9: From the man behind the COVID lockdowns to the people

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Speaker 7: They are Catholic.

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Speaker 9: This is an important reminder that being Flick alone doesn't

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Speaker 9: be men and women for this time in history, we

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Speaker 9: need to stop pretending that the Church of Nice is

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Speaker 9: a winning proposition.

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Speaker 2: That gone.

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Speaker 1: Man, give me about one hundred more men like that

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Speaker 1: with the guts to do that joining me now. Mary

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Speaker 1: Margaret Olahan senior reporter of The Wonderful Daily Signal. She

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Speaker 1: also wrote the book The trans which is a revealing

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Speaker 1: and frankly heartbreaking book. Mary, I didn't mean heartbreaking bad.

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Speaker 1: It was heartbreaking. Good book, but dang, it was pretty revealing.

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Speaker 2: We get to that in a minute.

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Speaker 1: But this is so rare now, but man, it was

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Speaker 1: so refreshing to see an athlete basically risk his career

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Speaker 1: to speak for his convictions. And look, I'm unlike everyone else.

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Speaker 1: I expect him to be cut in about twenty four hours.

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Speaker 1: But man, I thought that was awesome.

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Speaker 4: I thought it was so awesome too.

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Speaker 10: I was so inspired, And I would be willing to

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Speaker 10: bet that he had a conversation with his wife and

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Speaker 10: his close friends before he gave that speech and said,

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Speaker 10: I have to be ready for the NFL to cut

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Speaker 10: me for this because it is not your average NFL speech.

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Speaker 4: It was pro.

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Speaker 10: Family, pro marriage, pro wife, big wife guy, very just

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Speaker 10: really inspiring, and he's a serious Catholic. He takes his

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Speaker 10: faith really seriously, so that means that he stands for

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Speaker 10: traditional marriage, gender rolls, all of that. And the left

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Speaker 10: has not appreciated this speech. They have very much so

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Speaker 10: melted down over it, which I find really interesting. Even

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Speaker 10: I stood up for him on social media, and I've

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Speaker 10: been amazed at how many people I would consider conservative

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Speaker 10: just flooding my mentions and telling me that, you know,

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Speaker 10: if I'm going to support Harrison Bucker, maybe I should

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Speaker 10: be in the kitchen making him a sandwich, which is

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Speaker 10: not very pro woman, if you ask me, no, it's.

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Speaker 2: Not, although I am very pro sandwich.

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Speaker 1: And it's funny you brought up that point, Mary, because

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Speaker 1: I found it to be pretty revealing. The man obviously

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Speaker 1: adores his wife, revers his mother. It was very obvious

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Speaker 1: to anyone paying attention. But he spoke, and he spoke

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Speaker 1: about being a homemaker and what a treasure that is

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Speaker 1: and how important that is. And as you said, it

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Speaker 1: wasn't just from the left, from the right. So many

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Speaker 1: women were angry about that. Why do you.

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Speaker 2: Think that is?

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Speaker 10: Well, I think he kind of struck a nerve because

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Speaker 10: we have a cultural crisis right now of women who

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Speaker 10: desire marriage, they desire family, They want a good, strong

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Speaker 10: man that can leave their family. But unfortunately, due to

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Speaker 10: the times we're living in, there aren't that many men

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Speaker 10: who know how to do that, and so these women

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Speaker 10: are feeling this this void here and looking for someone

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Speaker 10: that can do that for them, and they're not finding it.

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Speaker 10: And so I think for many women on the right,

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Speaker 10: their instinct when they hear something like this is to say, no,

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Speaker 10: you're wrong, that motherhood is not something that I desire

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Speaker 10: this greatly, and they kind of want to push it

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Speaker 10: away and take a step back because it hurts, you know,

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Speaker 10: when they can't have that. They would rather push away

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Speaker 10: from it a little bit than really to agree with

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Speaker 10: Harrison Bucker that, yes, motherhood is one of the most

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Speaker 10: joyful callings or invocations that there is, and that the

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Speaker 10: joy that you can find in motherhood is, honestly, I

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Speaker 10: think unparalleled. And I'm not a mother myself, but from

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Speaker 10: what I've seen of my friends and my own mother

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Speaker 10: and my family, it's a really beautiful thing. And I

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Speaker 10: don't think we should be criticizing Harrison Becker for praising that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I don't think so either.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's shift gears here to some other things. There's

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Speaker 1: obviously a war on the church, a war it's been

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Speaker 1: declared by the federal government. You have the FBI and

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Speaker 1: fuilt trading churches. We know now from league to memos

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Speaker 1: that they're already inside of so many churches, and we

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Speaker 1: have Pro Life or seven of them just got lengthy

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Speaker 1: prison sentences, two of them in their seventies.

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Speaker 2: One of them a veteran and yet.

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Speaker 1: Mary, honestly, it's not that I'm shocked that the federal

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Speaker 1: government would do this, because the federal government's evil when

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Speaker 1: it's run by demons.

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Speaker 2: What bothers me is how silent so much of the

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Speaker 2: church is in this country just.

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Speaker 1: Going to try to what turn the other cheek our

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Speaker 1: way through this whole thing, and we're going to stand

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Speaker 1: up and start getting more involved.

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Speaker 10: I would certainly like to know, And you're completely right,

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Speaker 10: we have seen very profound silence from our religious leaders

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Speaker 10: as more and more Americans are targeted for their pro

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Speaker 10: life beliefs. Kristin Clark, who heads the DOJ's Civil Rights Division,

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Speaker 10: is the one that has been in charge of prosecuting

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Speaker 10: or charging these pro lifers with the FACE Act, which

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Speaker 10: is the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act. That

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Speaker 10: act is supposed to protect pregnancy centers and Catholic churches

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Speaker 10: as well, but I think you can guess how often

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Speaker 10: the DOJ uses it to protect churches and pregnancy centers,

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Speaker 10: even though there have been hundreds of attacks on pregnancy

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Speaker 10: centers and churches since the dobs leak. When Roe, we

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Speaker 10: found that Roe was about to be overturned. So we

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Speaker 10: very much have a true tier system of standard of

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Speaker 10: justice when it comes to pro lifers and this Face Act,

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Speaker 10: and lawmakers like Congressmanship Roy and Senator Mike Lee have

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Speaker 10: called for the Face Act to be defunded, for it

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Speaker 10: to be repealed and largely gotten rid of, because they

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Speaker 10: don't see a way that it can be used effectively

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Speaker 10: without being a double standard.

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Speaker 2: Mary the GOP, honestly, I can't.

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Speaker 1: I'm laughing when I before I even ask the question,

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Speaker 1: where's the GOP.

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Speaker 7: In all this?

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Speaker 1: Where they always are sitting on their hands, sucking their thumbs,

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Speaker 1: afraid of the media, afraid of Democrats.

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Speaker 2: But how in the world. Look.

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Speaker 1: We have a whole gaggle of Republicans out there in

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Speaker 1: New York City today defending Donald Trump for being on trial,

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Speaker 1: and that's good. I applaud them for that. But where's

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Speaker 1: the gaggle of Republicans speaking out against Christian seventy year

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Speaker 1: old women getting tossed in the clink for the rest

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Speaker 1: of their natural lives. The silence has been deafening from

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Speaker 1: the useless GOP.

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Speaker 10: The silence has been deafening, and I think part of

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Speaker 10: the reason is because these are nuanced cases that are

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Speaker 10: hard for staffers to understand. So my guess is the

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Speaker 10: staffers are less likely to kind of dive into it

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Speaker 10: if it's not very simple messaging, unfortunately. But I will

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Speaker 10: also say that the pro life movement has always struggled

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Speaker 10: to find relevance when it comes to the GOP. You know,

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Speaker 10: the abortion issue is not a sexy one. It's one

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Speaker 10: that has struggled to maintain popularity among the GOP. And

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Speaker 10: I think, unfortunately that's because some members are just not

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Speaker 10: actually pro life. And this crossover here seems to be

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Speaker 10: an easy opportunity. You know, it's not just abortion, it's

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Speaker 10: also weaponization of the DOJ. It seems like an easy

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Speaker 10: crossover in terms of messaging. So I am curious to

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Speaker 10: see if more Republicans speak up on it because now

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Speaker 10: Lauren Handy, one of these pro life activists, will spend

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Speaker 10: almost five years in jail. And she will spend almost

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Speaker 10: five years in jail because she tried to stop abortions

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Speaker 10: from taking place in the nation's capital. By the way,

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Speaker 10: there are no laws restricting abortion, which is, you know,

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Speaker 10: the nation's capital, the most powerful country in the world,

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Speaker 10: has no laws restricting abortion. And this is where all

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Speaker 10: our lawmakers are every single day. You would think there

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Speaker 10: might be more interest in protecting the unborn in the

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Speaker 10: most powerful city, in the most powerful country in the world.

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Speaker 10: But that's where we're at.

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Speaker 1: Wow, less time for unborn babies when you're worried about

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Speaker 1: Columbia and protests. Okay, Mary, tell me tell everyone I

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Speaker 1: already know about it. Tell everyone about this book D

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Speaker 1: Trands you have coming up.

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Speaker 10: So I have this book coming out. It's publishing May

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Speaker 10: twenty eighth, so a little less than two weeks, but

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Speaker 10: you can preorder it now. I spoke with many the transitioners,

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Speaker 10: young people who tried to change their gender and then

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Speaker 10: realize this is impossible. But this was only after they

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Speaker 10: had taken hormones for years that had changed their bodies

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Speaker 10: and in some cases undergone really invasive and horrible surgeries,

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Speaker 10: such as a double misseectomy. And I wrote the book

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Speaker 10: Stories of these d transitioners so that people can read

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Speaker 10: it and understand what actually happened. You know, it's light

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Speaker 10: on the commentary, it's heavy on the stories, and I

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Speaker 10: wanted people to get a good glimpse into these intimate

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Speaker 10: and vulnerable moments that they can understand for themselves how

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Speaker 10: devastating gender ideology is for our youth.

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Speaker 2: Can I believe in it?

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Speaker 1: We live in a country where we're chopping the breast

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Speaker 1: off of teenage girls.

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Speaker 2: It's just more than I can take sometimes, Mary, I

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Speaker 2: want people to go get the book. Go get the book.

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Speaker 1: D trans Mary, thank you for joining us. I appreciate

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Speaker 1: it very much. Jeez, it's so sad, man, so sad.

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Speaker 1: But all right, you want to talk about space for

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Speaker 1: a minute. We have some super brain coming on. He's

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Speaker 1: worried about the space race and China and nukes and

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Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff. We'll talk to him in a second.

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Speaker 1: Well, did you see that video yesterday? Our Secretary of State,

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Speaker 1: he's out there doing the hard work of diplomacy. He

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Speaker 1: was playing guitar in Ukraine, and it's funny.

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Speaker 2: While he was doing that, Jijin Ping and Vladimir.

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Speaker 1: Putin were meeting together to discuss their ongoing cooperation in

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Speaker 1: the Joint superpowers against the United States of America. We

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Speaker 1: are doing well here joining me now. Greg Autry, author

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Speaker 1: of the book Red Moon Rising. How America will beat

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Speaker 1: China on the Final Frontier?

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Speaker 2: Okay, Greg, it doesn't.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of metrics that don't look great

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Speaker 1: right now, especially economically even.

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Speaker 2: Militarily between US in China.

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Speaker 1: How will America defeat such a big empire?

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Speaker 11: Well, by embracing our free market competitive is their centralized

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Speaker 11: state on economy and not making the same mistake we've

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Speaker 11: made in every other industry. We are not going to

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Speaker 11: send them our intellectual property, our capital, and our markets

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Speaker 11: and then bend over and wait to see what happens.

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Speaker 11: The good news about space is because of national security concerns,

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Speaker 11: the ITI regulations and other federal laws have always made

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Speaker 11: it very, very difficult for companies to run over and

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Speaker 11: cash their China checks and betray America that way, so

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Speaker 11: that won't happen here.

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Speaker 2: Greg.

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Speaker 1: Before we get into the space portion of this, which

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Speaker 1: is obviously going to be the meat of the issue,

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Speaker 1: what are your credentials?

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Speaker 2: Tell people who you are sure.

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Speaker 11: I am the director and a clinical professor of Space Leadership,

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Speaker 11: Policy and Business at Arizona State University's Thunderbird School of

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Speaker 11: Global Management. As a research scholar, I've been studying the

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Speaker 11: commercial space industry.

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Speaker 7: For longer than anybody, over two decades.

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Speaker 11: I served on the NASAVE Transition Team, the Agency review

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Speaker 11: team for President Trump in twenty sixteen, and was the

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Speaker 11: White House Liaison ta NASA.

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Speaker 7: In twenty twenty. President Trump appointed me to be the.

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Speaker 11: Chief Financial Officer of NASA Unfortunately hashtag twenty twenty, the

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Speaker 11: Senate had.

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Speaker 7: A meltdown, so there was never a confirmation vote there.

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Speaker 11: I've served on several federal committees looking at issues in space,

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Speaker 11: including at the National Academies.

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Speaker 7: In the FAA.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so let's talk about the modern space race. Most Americans,

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Speaker 1: myself included, when they think about that, we think in

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Speaker 1: an old way, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, the race to be the first on the moon.

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Speaker 2: What is the modern space race?

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Speaker 7: In a lot of ways, it's it's a reboot.

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Speaker 11: Space race two point zero has many of the factors

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Speaker 11: of Space Race one point zero. It's space race one

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Speaker 11: point oh was of course, the United States versus the

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Speaker 11: Soviet Union during the old Cold War, and getting to

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Speaker 11: the moon first served as an opportunity for President Kennedy,

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Speaker 11: who was honestly a good Cold warrior, to slap the

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Speaker 11: Communist and show everybody that the American system could outperform them.

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Speaker 11: It's hard for us to believe, but at that time

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Speaker 11: there was a lot of fascination with the Soviet model,

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Speaker 11: and a lot of countries were lining up because they

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Speaker 11: really thought that the future was in global communism and

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Speaker 11: that that would be where science, engineering and standard living

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Speaker 11: advancements would occur, and the Moon race really to a

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Speaker 11: great extent, proved that that was not the case. Fast forward,

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Speaker 11: we now have Cold War two point zero clearly shaping

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Speaker 11: up with the Chinese. We've finally woken up, you know.

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Speaker 11: Peter Navarro and I wrote a book called Death by

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Speaker 11: China twelve years ago saying, these guys are not our friends.

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Speaker 7: People finally see that.

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Speaker 11: You know, even the Biden administration has admitted that the

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Speaker 11: Chinese are military aggressive and committing genocide. So we've got

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Speaker 11: the same issue going on again. There's a race to

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Speaker 11: the moon. This time it is to stay and to

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Speaker 11: exploit the resources that are found there, including things like

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Speaker 11: rare earth elements and potential propellants for rockets.

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Speaker 7: And other things.

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Speaker 11: And we're in a real competition to make that happen

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Speaker 11: that most people are aware of that.

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Speaker 7: The Chinese are very aware of.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so I hate to even ask this question, But

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Speaker 1: there's US, there's Russia, there's China. I know, those Dagon

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Speaker 1: Ruskies have been famously pretty good when it comes to

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Speaker 1: things like rockets and missiles.

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Speaker 2: Who's winning this race right now?

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Speaker 7: Right now, the US is way ahead.

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Speaker 11: The Russians have fallen out of second place, and the

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Speaker 11: Chinese have eclipsed them.

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Speaker 7: The problem is that Chinese are.

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Speaker 11: Diligently and ruthlessly moving forward.

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Speaker 7: The Russians are almost out of the game.

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Speaker 11: They have not made the investments for many years that

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Speaker 11: they needed to make in space.

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Speaker 7: They had bad management at ross Cosmos, and.

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Speaker 11: Frankly they've been gutting their civilian and space exploration programs

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Speaker 11: in order to send people to the front of Ukraine.

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Speaker 11: So China is the problem, and it's not how far

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Speaker 11: behind they are, it's how quickly they're moving up on us.

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Speaker 11: So they've launched, for instance, several successful lunar landers. They

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Speaker 11: launched another one last Friday that will will land in

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Speaker 11: a few weeks. The United States has had two attempts

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Speaker 11: this year to land on the Moon. One failed completely

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Speaker 11: and one was a partial success, but the lander fell over.

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Speaker 11: We haven't landed anything on the Moon since the nineteen seventies.

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Speaker 11: So China is beating us in some regards. On the

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Speaker 11: military front, there are real concerns, some of which we

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Speaker 11: can talk about, some of which we can but Chinese

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Speaker 11: hypersonic rocket technologies appear to exceed us capabilities. They've demonstrated

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Speaker 11: a skip rocket that essentially can orbit the Earth and

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Speaker 11: then come down at hypersonic speeds, probably something we can't

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Speaker 11: intercept with our current interception technology we have in Alaska

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Speaker 11: and California.

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Speaker 7: So there real concern.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Greg, now is that The main concern what I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to gauge is militarily, what is the race to

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Speaker 1: get is it we want to be the first country

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Speaker 1: that has what satellites with nuclear weapons that can fire

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Speaker 1: down on anyone at any time, or we talking space

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Speaker 1: lasers like it's Star Wars. What is the military get

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Speaker 1: that we're trying to get first.

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Speaker 11: Regardless of what the technology is for affecting damage on

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Speaker 11: the surface of the Earth, Owning the high ground gives

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Speaker 11: you that position, and whichever country ends up owning what

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Speaker 11: we call Cyslinter space, the area around the Earth and

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Speaker 11: the Moon, will control the planet and the future of

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Speaker 11: all humankind.

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Speaker 7: If you're down in the valley, you have no choice.

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Speaker 11: You've got to go up and take the heights before

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Speaker 11: your opponent does.

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Speaker 7: Your extinct And that's where we are today. And you're right.

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Speaker 11: We've got nuclear weapons that could be placed in orbit.

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Speaker 11: We have directed energy weapons, which includes lasers and microwave

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Speaker 11: platforms that could destroy our militarium for cities from space.

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Speaker 11: And a real concern is something called electromagnetic pulse weapons.

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Speaker 7: If any of you have seen the auroras that we've

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Speaker 7: witnessed recently, these are.

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Speaker 11: Caused by highly charged radioactive particles hitting the Earth's atmosphere.

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Speaker 11: Right now, it's just pretty If those charges get too high,

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Speaker 11: they can shut off communications. We've seen that happen before

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Speaker 11: from natural solar flares, and if they get way too high,

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Speaker 11: they can.

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Speaker 7: Actually destroy all of your electronics.

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Speaker 11: Now it so happens, you can simulate that radioactive atmospheric

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Speaker 11: impingement with nuclear weapons in space. United States and the

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Speaker 11: Soviet Union both tested this in the early nineteen sixties.

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Speaker 11: We had a series of tests. In fact, we opened

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Speaker 11: our book Peter and I with that topic. We had

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Speaker 11: a series of tests in the sixties over Hawaii called

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Speaker 11: Starfish Prime, and the folks in Hawaii called them the

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Speaker 11: rainbow bombs because auroras were appearing over Honolulu during these tests,

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Speaker 11: and they would turn off the radios in some cases

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Speaker 11: destroy parts of the electrical grid. And we didn't have

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Speaker 11: a lot of sophisticated electronics that time. But if you

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Speaker 11: had a cell phone, it probably would have been turned

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Speaker 11: into a brick.

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Speaker 7: China and Russia both have.

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Speaker 11: EMPs that they can detonate over US cities or more

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Speaker 11: likely over targets in Asia, like Typeay that they want

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Speaker 11: to invade. If they do that, everything on the ground

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Speaker 11: that's electronic is dead and probably permanently dead. That means

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Speaker 11: your phone, of course, your laptop, computer. It means your car,

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Speaker 11: because if you've got an electric car, it's really nothing

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Speaker 11: but a computer with BA batteries. It might burst into flames.

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Speaker 11: If you've got a traditional gasoline powered car, it's all

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Speaker 11: electronic computer integrated systems and electronic ignition.

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Speaker 7: It's dead. Every car on the road will be dead.

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Speaker 11: There won't be any tow trucks capable of coming and

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Speaker 11: towing those dead cars away, and there won't be anybody

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Speaker 11: repairing them because in fact, our entire electrical grid will

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Speaker 11: go out. They'll blow out the relays on the grid.

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Speaker 11: Will this be repaired, No, because all the components we

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Speaker 11: need to repair them come either from China or from

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Speaker 11: countries in Asia, which China will be able to cut

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Speaker 11: off access to, and we can't even replace the relays

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Speaker 11: in the primary electrical grid because we can't get either

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Speaker 11: the relays or the steel needed to make them in

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Speaker 11: these transformers without working with China. It is a way

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Speaker 11: of basically returning us to the Stone Age instantly. And

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Speaker 11: as I say in the book, gen Z, kids are

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Speaker 11: going to have to learn how to sharpen a sphere

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Speaker 11: and build a fire without going to YouTube to find

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Speaker 11: a man Splinter survivalist to tell them how to do that. Well,

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Speaker 11: that's pretty much horrific.

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Speaker 2: Red Moon Rising is the book.

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Speaker 1: Highly recommend everyone gets a greg that was endlessly fascinating.

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Speaker 1: I wish it wasn't out of time. Thank you must Eve.

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Speaker 1: All right, we have light in the mood next, and

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Speaker 1: now I need one because I'm worried about Chinese space lasers.

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Speaker 1: Hang on, all right, it is time to lighten the mood,

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Speaker 1: and this is a little bit of a different light.

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Speaker 2: In the mood.

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Speaker 1: We talk all the time about getting involved, getting involved,

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Speaker 1: taking back your community first legal and local, as how

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Speaker 1: we can and will save this country.

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Speaker 2: People like you getting involved, not.

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Speaker 1: This guy running for president or this guy running for

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Speaker 1: senator Senate. All of us can save the country and

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Speaker 1: people are beginning to do this. You are beginning to

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Speaker 1: do this a head of your reach out to the show.

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Speaker 1: He turned his anger into action. He turned his anger

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Speaker 1: into action. He's out there knocking on doors, out there

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Speaker 1: busting his butt.

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Speaker 2: And look at those numbers.

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Speaker 1: There is now a Rhino puke in the GOP who

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Speaker 1: will no longer be in the GOP because he got

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Speaker 1: bounced in a primary.

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Speaker 2: Because normal Americans.

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Speaker 1: Just like you, got up off the couch, not just

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Speaker 1: tweeting about it, not just doing all these things, got up,

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Speaker 1: did something and.

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Speaker 2: Got a victory from it.

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Speaker 1: You can do it too, You, not the guys sitting

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Speaker 1: next to you.

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Speaker 2: You not me. You turn your anger into action. Hey,

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Speaker 2: full disclosure.

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Speaker 1: As soon as I pull this thing out of my

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Speaker 1: ear tonight, I'm going to a local political event myself.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing the same thing. Let's get involved. See them

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Speaker 1: all