1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in everybody to the Tuesday edition 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. Really appreciate 4 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: you joining us. A lot to get to today, the 5 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 1: fighting in Ukraine intensifies. There are more Russian strikes on Kiev, 6 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: the capitol city. Looks like Putin is going to be 7 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: going forward here in the days ahead, trying to seize 8 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:32,520 Speaker 1: the capital. Also reporting on whether Ukraine will be willing 9 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: to give a guarantee of not joining NATO that was 10 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: just breaking before. While the Russian attacks are intensifying on 11 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: Ukrainian cities. You've got inflation and gas prices now turning 12 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: into just a political football increasingly in this country. The Democrats, 13 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: the left doing everything that they can to make it 14 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: seem like it it's Trump's fault, or Biden's doing everything 15 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: you can to fix it, or there's nothing he can 16 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: do to fix it, or they can't figure out what 17 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: the proper talking points are, so they're trying everything to 18 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 1: see what they can come up with. And also on 19 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: some COVID matters, specifically after the Kyrie Irving sitting in 20 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: the Sitting in the stands moment with the New York 21 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: Nets playing New York Knicks. People are recognizing suddenly in 22 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: the Democrat media that there are some policies that linger 23 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: from COVID that are really dumb, and in fact have 24 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: always been really stupid. But that's the part of it 25 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 1: that we have to push on. They act like it 26 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:36,119 Speaker 1: just became dumb recently, when that's clearly not the case. 27 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,479 Speaker 1: We've also got some fantastic guests joining our friend Jesse Kelly, 28 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: radio host, former marine. He'll be with us in the 29 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: third hour of the program. We've got Gordon Chang to 30 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: talk about how China is reacting to the US I'm 31 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: sorry to the Ukrainian fight against Russia. And also a psychologist, 32 00:01:55,520 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: Mark McDonald on how America fell victim to mass delusion psychosis, 33 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: something I've been talking about for a long time in 34 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: the era of COVID. But Clay, let's start with just 35 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: how serious the situation is right now, how high the 36 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: stakes are. Joe Biden's been president for a year. It 37 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,839 Speaker 1: seems like everything is going against him. If the Democrats 38 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 1: had compelling arguments in favor of any of any move 39 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: Biden has made, I would think we would be compelled 40 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: to tell the audience this is what they are saying, folks, 41 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: just so you know what they're saying right now is 42 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: essentially blather, contradictory or absurd. And in the background of 43 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: all this you even have the UN Secretary General Antonio 44 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: Guterres warning that the prospect of nuclear conflict is back 45 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 1: in a serious way on the world's stage. Further escalation 46 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:52,079 Speaker 1: of the war, whether by accident or design, setens all 47 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: of humanity. Raising the alert of Russian nuclear forces is 48 00:02:56,600 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: a bone showing development. The prospect of nuclear conflicts, once 49 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: and thinkable, is not back within the realm of possibility. 50 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: The security and safety off Nukia facilities must also be preserved. 51 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: It's time to stop the order unleashed on the people 52 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: of Ukraine and get on the pests of diplomacy and peace, 53 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: the path of diplomacy and peace play. What should the 54 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,959 Speaker 1: US role you think at this stage, B we have 55 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: voices still for either a no fly zone, a limited 56 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: no fly zone, a humanitarian airlift that would bring US 57 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: planes into Ukrainian airspace. Perhaps what should we do? We 58 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: got to figure out what a negotiated settlement's going to 59 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: look like. And I think the United States should be 60 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: leading the charge for a negotiated settlement. The concern that 61 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: we've talked about on this show quite a lot is 62 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: when things are not going well for Vladimir Putin, and 63 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:00,040 Speaker 1: they aren't, then you get concerned that this is a 64 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: guy who is going to act irrationally in order to 65 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: try to make up for the fact that he has 66 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: not been able to demonstrate his military superiority like he 67 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: was told he would be able to, and then on 68 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: the international stage, he's embarrassed. We're talking about a five 69 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: foot seven former KGB agent who was approaching seventy years 70 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: old and sees probably as his legacy restoring Russia to 71 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 1: a dominant position on the world stage, and with this 72 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:34,919 Speaker 1: invasion of Ukraine, instead of that occurring, he's been embarrassed. 73 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: He has been labeled as the evil dictator who is 74 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: attempting to overrule democracy. His economy is in shambles, his 75 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: global standing is it's been torn as under, and so 76 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: to me, you have to find a way where he 77 00:04:55,240 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: can claim victory for his own people, even though it 78 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: is not in the best interests of the world. And 79 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 1: to me, we talked about this buck and I think 80 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 1: you're analysis of where we're likely to end up. Give 81 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 1: him a part of the eastern region of Ukraine, which 82 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 1: has long standing connections to Russia, allow him to claim victory. Simultaneously, 83 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 1: allows Zalinski to claim victory on behalf of all the 84 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: brave Ukrainians who have stood up and fought, Allow him 85 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 1: certainly to remain the leader of Ukraine. And try in 86 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: some way, And I don't know how you do this, 87 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 1: because this is the biggest challenge associated with this buck 88 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: try in some way to ensure that this situation is 89 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: settled once and for all. And the problem is you 90 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: can't trust anything that Vladimir Putin says, right, So what's 91 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 1: to stop him from deciding to invade again to try 92 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: to take more of the Ukrainian territory in the years ahead. 93 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: I don't know how you fix this. This feels a 94 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: bit feels a bit like what happened with Saddam Hussein 95 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: in the First Gulf War, where we and now it's 96 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: different because we're going to end up, I think, with 97 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: Russia taking more territory. But the problem is you're still 98 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 1: going to have Putin in power, and so I don't 99 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: know whatever solution and I'm putting that in quotation marks 100 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: we reach here feels like not a very reliable one 101 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: in the long run, because in the same way that 102 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: Hussein remained in control of Iraq and was still a 103 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 1: thorn in the side of the United States and everybody 104 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: in the Middle East, the same thing's going to happen 105 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: with Vladimir Putin, right, But I think that's probably the 106 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: best case scenario you could get, is to give him 107 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: a little bit of eastern Ukraine, allow this thing to end, 108 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: and then the question becomes we talked about this yesterday, Buck, 109 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 1: how do you reintegrate Russia into the larger global world order? 110 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: Given how quickly they've been ostracized. We don't have any 111 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: precedent for a situation such as this. I think you're 112 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: right that this is going to end up a Unfortunately, 113 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: I think it could turn out to be a long term, 114 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: phased consumption, if you will, a seizing of Ukraine piecemeal, 115 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: which already has occurred with Crimea and officially with Crimea 116 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: and then the Dunbass region stretching back now for years. 117 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: I think the Nieper River becomes the dividing line, and 118 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: then the question is does Kiev would I would think 119 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: unless one of the western cities all of a sudden 120 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: became the new de facto capital, Kiev would probably stay 121 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: in the hands of Ukrainian state, but that the faster 122 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: we can get to a negotiated settlement the better. Because 123 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: here's the other part of this where right now Russia 124 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: is on full scale offensive. Right Russia's going after the Ukrainians. 125 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: Ukrainians are trying to defend their cities and towns, and yes, 126 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: they are resisting heroically. It seems that they have outpaced 127 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: all the analysis of how hard they'd be willing to 128 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: fight up to this point. That's all true, but Russia 129 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: has already established full control over some parts of Ukraine, 130 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: and to get them to relinquish that would mean that 131 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: Ukraine would have to go on offense against Russian positions 132 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: where they are dug in, which is very, very unlikely. 133 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: So this is why you're gonna I don't think the 134 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: Ukrainian government could do it, quite honestly, I don't think 135 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: that's possible. If it was possible, they would have kicked 136 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: out the Russian back separatist in Dunboss who have been 137 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: fighting for the last seven or so years. So so 138 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: fighting Russia to a stalemate is I think the closest 139 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: thing you get to Ukrainian victory where the Russians aside, 140 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: all right, we've we've gone enough, We've done enough. What 141 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: are we going to do here? What's the negotiation look like? 142 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: The idea of Ukraine expelling the Russian invader entirely from 143 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,839 Speaker 1: Ukrainian soil, I just don't think that's realistic. I'm not there, 144 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: I'm not on the ground, but we're obviously reading about 145 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: this all day long and trying to follow this as 146 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:57,439 Speaker 1: closely as possible, which then brings us to the US 147 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:59,719 Speaker 1: component of this. If everyone listening, what are what are 148 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: we going to do? What should we do? I think 149 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:07,199 Speaker 1: that people are recognizing that a no fly zone, finally 150 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: understanding a no fly zone is a military action. That 151 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: a no fly zone is not. Hey, we're going to 152 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:17,839 Speaker 1: do this thing and it doesn't cause escalation. It's very 153 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: likely that it would cause immediate escalation from the Russian 154 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: side of things. And that's why you're hearing, for example, 155 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:26,439 Speaker 1: Lindsay Graham now moving the line a little bit here 156 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 1: to a no fly zone if if chemical weapons are 157 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: in fact used, I do not want any American boots 158 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: on the ground in the Ukraine. I don't want a 159 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: no fly zone. But if there's the use of chemical 160 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 1: weapons by pooting against the Ukrainian people, I would support 161 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: a no fly zone because that would be breaking every 162 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: war crime rule in the book, and the bano chemical 163 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: weapons would be nothing if we didn't act with a 164 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: no fly zone. But right now, no boots on the ground, 165 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,439 Speaker 1: no fly zone, Okay, no boots on the ground. No 166 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: one is saying we should have boots on the ground. 167 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 1: And I think also everyone's recognized that the Russians can 168 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: hit people anywhere, anytime inside of Ukraine, so it's an 169 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: incredibly dangerous war zone to be in. And beyond that, 170 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 1: I think this is Lindsay Graham moving away slowly from 171 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 1: and there'll be others too who say, okay, only a 172 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: no fly zone, if instead of a no fly zone 173 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: should happen now because of the recognition that one, we 174 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: want to get to a settlement here, I don't think 175 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: a no fly zone gets us to a settlement faster. 176 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: I think it gets to escalation faster. And two, in 177 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: the background of all of this is they tell us 178 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: that Putin is crazy. Putin has this aggressive invasion that 179 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 1: he has called for of Ukraine. They're killing civilians, they're 180 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: leveling hospitals, that it's a mess. What makes people think 181 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 1: that Putin wouldn't go further? I mean, I think, I 182 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: think these are the calculations that have to be made 183 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: right now, and America is obviously involved in so far 184 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: as we're debating every day what we're gonna do. I 185 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 1: think also what is acceptable, What is acceptable for Ukraine, 186 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: what is acceptable for Russia, because that's how this negotiation 187 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: ultimately plays out. I was reading last night that there 188 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: seems to be fairly significant conversations that are taking place 189 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: right now. Certainly this has gone in a way that 190 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: did not was not anticipated by Vladimir Putin, But we're 191 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 1: going to end up in an era, whether people like 192 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: it or not, where Putin at the end of this 193 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: claims victory inside of Russia, with a media that he 194 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: mostly controls, and the rest of the world, I believe 195 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: says Ukraine one. That's the likely outcome in terms of 196 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: what this looks like. But the question is how quickly 197 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: can we get to that settlement, how many lives can 198 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: be saved, and how stable is whatever negotiated settlement that 199 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: we actually reach given that we can't really trust Vladimir 200 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 1: Putin to me to accede to whatever those that negotiated 201 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: settlement is for any time in the future. Because if 202 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:02,559 Speaker 1: we're unwilling to actually hold him accountable, which I think 203 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: we are right, we don't want to start a war 204 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 1: with Russia. How do we stop him from invading and 205 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 1: deciding after a year or two that he's no longer 206 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: happy with the situation that is at hand in Ukraine. 207 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:19,719 Speaker 1: And also, by the way, like this whole, this whole process, 208 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 1: how again, I come back to the big question is 209 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 1: what happens to Russia going forward? How do we go 210 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: back to you know, it sounds like a small thing, 211 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: but how do we go back to reintegrating Russia into 212 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: the global marketplace? And to what extent is that possible? 213 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: There's also a global realignment that is underway right now 214 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: of Russia and China. We'll talk more about the China 215 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 1: angle to all of this, and what's their relationship like 216 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: going forward with Russia. What have they done so far? 217 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 1: You know, we have our State Department making comments about 218 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 1: how well, if China we're to do anything to help Russia, 219 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: we would, oh, really we're gonna take on punishing China 220 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: too right now, So what's happening there, and also play 221 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia considering Wall Street Journal reporting on this just 222 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: a few minutes ago, considering accepting the yuan instead of 223 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 1: dollars for oil purchases. People have been talking about the 224 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 1: end of America as the global reserve currency for a 225 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: long time, as the big signpost of the end of 226 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: American empire. This is when you start to see a 227 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 1: major shift in the global order that we have here. 228 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: If we don't, we're not the reserve currency. We are 229 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: not the America economically that we thought we were. And 230 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 1: we also need to talk about what's going on with 231 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:37,559 Speaker 1: oil prices and how there is an overwhelming connection. 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Fox News folks, right now, cameraman 266 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: Pierre Shashevsky was killed outside Kiev, Ukraine. There's a story 267 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: right now up on foxnews dot com about him. He 268 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: was beloved by all of his colleagues. Family thoughts and 269 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: prayers go out to him. There's also a Fox News 270 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: correspondent who we know has been hospitalized, who is injured 271 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: right now, and we have not gotten Clay. Have you 272 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: you work at Fox? Is there any update on the 273 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: condition of Benjamin Hall who was with Shashevsky, who, unfortunately 274 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: we know Shashwsky has has died as a result of wounds. 275 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: Do we know anything about Benjamin Hall, who's a lot 276 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: of folks listening know him from not only his incredible 277 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: Ukraine coverage, recently, but also the years he spent as 278 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: a foreign correspondent doing amazing workover at Fox. No not official, Buck, 279 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 1: I mean the emails come out from Susanne Scott, who 280 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: runs Fox News, and Fox News is not a big place, 281 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: you know this, Buck, I mean, it really does. And 282 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: it's a cliche, but it does feel in many ways 283 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: like a family at Fox News, because people draw very 284 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: close together when you're sort of in the midst of 285 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 1: the universe and media that we're in right now, where 286 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: there's kind of a constant drumbeat of attack on Fox News, 287 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: and so it is very much of a family, and 288 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 1: it's a it's a crushing blow to Fox News to 289 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: be losing, uh, to lose this cameraman and also be 290 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: dealing with with this incident. Um it's as significant injury 291 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 1: as what I've been told. Uh, and he's been hospitalized, 292 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: and UH, certainly for for all their families, we want 293 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: them to know that we're thinking about him. And I 294 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: know many of you are as well, as you mentioned Buck. 295 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: You've been watching and consuming their content they're reporting for 296 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: a long time. UH. And I think this is also 297 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 1: representative of I think a lot of people out there 298 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: understand this. When Rush died, uh, when we talked about 299 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 1: the one year anniversary recently, there were a lot of 300 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: people out there who chose to use that as a 301 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 1: way to attack he and his family, and frankly, it 302 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: was disgusting. And this happened as well when the news 303 00:17:56,080 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 1: came out about the death a woman named Susan Glasser, 304 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: who is your prototypical blue check left wing journo as 305 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: you would call them, buck tweet Times New York Times writer. 306 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:12,399 Speaker 1: Not an obscure, not obscure at all. She tweeted, what 307 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: a tragedy a cameraman died covering the war for a 308 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 1: TV network that airs a pro putin propagandist as its 309 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 1: top rated primetime host. For that to be your immediate 310 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: reaction this morning when you hear that somebody has died 311 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: on the job trying to cover the situation in Ukraine. Frankly, 312 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: Susan Glasser should be ashamed of herself and her employer 313 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: should be ashamed of itself. And by the way, I 314 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: would say the same thing if a New York Times 315 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: journalist had died in Ukraine and the first thing that 316 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: somebody from conservative media did was attack that. I mean 317 00:18:56,280 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 1: it's just you know, social media in general can be dehumanizing, 318 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:07,120 Speaker 1: but when someone dies and your first thought is to 319 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 1: attack them or their employer or I just, man, I 320 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: just I don't get it, buck. I think a lot 321 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: of people on the left are emotionally and psychologically broken 322 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: and really wounded in a way where they can't they 323 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: can't put aside their politics in the service of just 324 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,360 Speaker 1: basic humanity and demunity given moment. I mean, they really 325 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: are just completely you see this all and it's celebrate 326 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:37,360 Speaker 1: I mean, you see this honestly evil that people will 327 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: spew online in a moment where you're just your basic 328 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: humanity should be all that matters and that should be 329 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 1: the only sentiment only thoughts you have. And you have 330 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: leftists who say, well, how can I score political points? 331 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:52,400 Speaker 1: Turn this immediate tragedy into an opportunity to lash out 332 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: at someone who has nothing to do with this situation. 333 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:58,120 Speaker 1: Who it's just let's be on the pill. By the way, 334 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: I believe that she'll nothing the There'll be no action 335 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 1: taken against her, because leftists who attack people on the right, 336 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,439 Speaker 1: no matter how grotesque it is, even if they're slapped 337 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 1: down for a moment, there's never any real consequence. And 338 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 1: you guys all know it because you saw the way 339 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: that many people gleefully reacted when Rush died a year ago. 340 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: I mean the number of blue checkmark losers who were 341 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: gleeful when Rush died. I know it shouldn't surprise me 342 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 1: because I've seen it happen so often, But I remember 343 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: scrolling through and looking on the trending line. And I mean, 344 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,640 Speaker 1: people can agree or disagree with you and I buck 345 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 1: on a variety of different subjects every day, but I 346 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: think they also recognize, Look, you and I would sit 347 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: down and have a meal or a beer or whatever. 348 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: If you could have a beer, you could have a 349 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 1: gluten free beer with anybody who might disagree with us. 350 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not claiming that people who disagree with 351 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 1: me on a regular basis are Satan incarnate. And there 352 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: is a lot of people out there who believe that 353 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 1: you and me are Satan incarnate or and would be 354 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 1: willing to say it. I mean, I've said this before. 355 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: When I got COVID twice, uh, my first thought was 356 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna be fine statistically. My second thought was 357 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: I can't die uh from COVID or with COVID because 358 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: I can't allow the people who hate me to be 359 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 1: able to spend a full day bragging about the fact 360 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 1: that that I died, right, I mean, it's just it's 361 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: probably gonna happen at some point. I hope I'll make 362 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 1: them wait for a while. But this is the world 363 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: we live in. We would like to think that we 364 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,640 Speaker 1: live in a country where something like a war that 365 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: is obviously harming a lot of innocent people and a 366 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: lot of civilians are dying and terrible things are happening 367 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 1: over there, that there would be a greater seriousness in 368 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: the political discourse. But look what we just had to 369 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: talk about the last hour, the calling calling Tucker Carlson 370 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: a trader, or in the case of Susan Glasser, or 371 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: using a real tragedy as an opportunity to try to 372 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: take a take a cheap shot at again, they're not 373 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: what they're saying isn't even vaguely true either. But what 374 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: we realize, whether it's the Russia collusion, stuff about Trump 375 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: or it's about any number of things in COVID, they 376 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,120 Speaker 1: don't care. The truth doesn't matter to the left anymore. 377 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 1: It's just about power. It's about what will work, what 378 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 1: serves their purposes in the moment, and why Clay, we 379 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,120 Speaker 1: have to keep on fighting here. I mean, if nothing else, 380 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: I feel like we show up every day and try 381 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 1: to tell people what we believe to be true, and 382 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 1: we're willing to tell you if we get something wrong, 383 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: which is actually pretty rare in the world of media, 384 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 1: and it should keep trying to be voices for sanity 385 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: in an insane world. But certainly thoughts and prayers for 386 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 1: both those men's families as they are dealing with an 387 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 1: incredible difficulty in their lives right now. Final hour of 388 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: the program coming up. We're about to be joined by 389 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,919 Speaker 1: Jesse Kelly. You also hosts a radio show in the 390 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: evening on many of these stations, many of you can 391 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: hear them. And we'll also talk with Mark McDonald about 392 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:58,159 Speaker 1: the psychological collapse of many people in the wake of COVID. 393 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: I think that's going to be a really instructive conversation. 394 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: Final hour up next, Pleat Travis and Buck Sexton on 395 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 1: the front Lines plan Buck show rolling on here. Thanks 396 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: for being with us. We're joined now as we said 397 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 1: we would be, by psychologist Mark McDonald. He is the 398 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: author of United States of Fear, how America fell victim 399 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: to a mass delusional psychosis. Doctor McDonald, thanks for being 400 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:48,719 Speaker 1: with us. Thank you. Just a question of a quick clarification. 401 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: I am a medical doctor, so I'm a psychiatrist, not 402 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 1: a psychologist. Oh well, there we go. I'm glad we 403 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 1: called you doctor because that one would definitely be true. 404 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: So doctor McDonald, to tell us, sir, what is a 405 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 1: mass delusional psychosis and how did this happen? So a 406 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:09,439 Speaker 1: mass delusional psychosis, which I began speaking about way back 407 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: in summer of twenty twenty and then ultimately wrote a 408 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: book about it called The United States of Fear this 409 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 1: past October, is essentially an entire society, meaning the United States, 410 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 1: although this extends obviously beyond the US, all deciding to 411 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: go crazy at the same time, meaning that they stop 412 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: thinking rationally. And we know this from just looking out 413 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: of our windows and our homes and our cars and 414 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: seeing people walking, driving, biking by themselves wearing one two 415 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 1: three mass face shields, clubs, shutting down schools for children 416 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: who really have no business being at home because their 417 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: job is to be at school and they're completely safe 418 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: at school, shutting down businesses, people not wanting to go 419 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 1: into elevators when other people for over a year and 420 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: a half, this is not rational thinking. And it's not 421 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 1: one person, it's not twenty it's an entire country of 422 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: people all doing it at this time. And that's why 423 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:05,679 Speaker 1: I called it mass delusional psychosis, doctor McDonald. Is this 424 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 1: more of an issue in your experience for children or 425 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: adults who has a harder time grappling with these rules 426 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 1: and what the impact might be going ahead? Well, the 427 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: children would have been fine if we had just left 428 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: them alone. Yeah, But children take their cues from adults, 429 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,439 Speaker 1: and they also take their cues from other kids. And 430 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:29,120 Speaker 1: when adults tell children it is too scary and too 431 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 1: dangerous for you to go to your friend's house as 432 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: a sleepover, or too dangerous for you to walk to 433 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 1: school by yourself without wearing a bunch of masks on 434 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 1: your face, and it's too dangerous for you to visit 435 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: grandma because she might die if you breathe on her. 436 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: That wrecks a children's psychology that makes a child believe 437 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,160 Speaker 1: that his simple presence, the regular activities of his day 438 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 1: to day life, going to school, visiting with friends, seeing grandma, 439 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: are now no longer safe or appropriate and then what 440 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 1: happens two years later? We tell them, guess what, every 441 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 1: thing's fine now you don't have to do any of that. 442 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,439 Speaker 1: The child is completely confused. He's now been conditioned to 443 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: think that he's a danger to society. He's not going 444 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 1: to be able to let that go. Witness today, first 445 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: day back at school in Los Angeles County. All the 446 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 1: children were told you don't have to wear masks indoors. 447 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 1: The front page article LA Times says no more mass 448 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 1: in schools, but eighty five percent of all children continue 449 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,879 Speaker 1: to wear them. Why is that outrageous? We're talking to 450 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,640 Speaker 1: psychiatrist Mark McDonald, who's the author of the United States 451 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 1: of Fear, How America Fell victimto a massed Illusional Psychosis. 452 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: Doctor McDonald is and excuse us here, because you know, 453 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 1: obviously we don't have medical backgrounds. I'm wondering, though, if 454 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 1: is this in the psychiatric literature. I mean, this notion 455 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,640 Speaker 1: of a massed illusional psychosis. For a time, the term 456 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: that was being used among some of the media was 457 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 1: mass formation psychosis. Is this well studied and where could 458 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,199 Speaker 1: people learn more about this? Is this talked about in 459 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,399 Speaker 1: psychiatric circles. I'm just wondering what the clinical diagnosis of 460 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 1: this would be. Well, you're referring to a kind of 461 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:08,360 Speaker 1: jumbling together of two phrases, which is mass delusional psychosis 462 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 1: and also mass formation, the ladder of which was coined 463 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 1: by a psychologist in Belgium a year or two ago 464 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: named desmeet mateis desmet and then Robert Malone popularized the 465 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: combination of those two by calling it mass formation psychosis. 466 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: But the word formation really just means psychosis, according to 467 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,400 Speaker 1: this Belgian psychologist. So mass formation psychosis is just mass 468 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: psychosis psychosis. It's just repeating the same word twice, but 469 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 1: it means the same thing that I mean when I 470 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 1: say mass delusional psychosis. And the expression the idea has 471 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: been around for quite a long time. This isn't the 472 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,399 Speaker 1: first time that this has happened. Look at the Salem 473 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: witch trials. That was a mass illusional psychosis in Europe. 474 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: Many women were executed in almost every village in multiple 475 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: countries throughout Europe because they were called witches and this 476 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 1: was insanity on a social level, on a citywide level. 477 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 1: It happened in northern Europe during the sixteen hundreds with 478 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: the Tulip Craize everybody thought tulips were suddenly worth millions 479 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 1: of dollars, and they invested in the moment to see 480 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: themselves bankrupted six months later when the market crashed. People 481 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 1: get whipped up into frenzies all of the time throughout history, 482 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: in different countries. What's different about this is that it 483 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: happened around the entire world. It wasn't just one town, 484 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: one city, one state, one country. It was worldwide, rich, poor, 485 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,880 Speaker 1: First World, Second World, third World. This is what makes 486 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: it unique. This is what makes it different from past 487 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:35,360 Speaker 1: crises and pollution, mass illusional hysterias. Door McDonald, I'm fascinated 488 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: by that, the historical cogency you just gave us, because 489 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: sometimes the emotions of the current day can distract and 490 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: not make people see things rationally. You just mentioned the 491 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 1: tulip craze, that market crashed, making people aware, Oh, tulips 492 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 1: really didn't have the value that we ascribed to them. Right, 493 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: You could say the same thing happened with the subprime 494 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: mortgage crisis in this country on some level. The Great 495 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: Moment in my Chael Lewis book and also the movie 496 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: where the strippers have multiple homes in Florida, and that's 497 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 1: when he at least in the movie, has a lightbulb 498 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: moment and says, oh, my goodness, we're totally in the 499 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 1: grips of a delusion as it pertains to housing values. 500 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: There is a crash in those examples where people can say, oh, 501 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: we got this wrong. There's a tangible acknowledgement of the wrongness. Well, 502 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: maybe you can see where I'm going here. Is there 503 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: any hope of a tangible acknowledgement of the wrongness as 504 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: it pertains to our response with COVID? And if you 505 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: don't get that, how do you pull people out of 506 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: the grips of this mass delusion? The answer, in a word, 507 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 1: is no. And the reason for that is those who 508 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 1: have manufactured, who have jenned up, generated, motivated, propagated this 509 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 1: mass delusional psychosis, meaning the corrupt politicians, unelected bureaucrats, media, 510 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: and corporate execs have no motivation or interest to acknowledge 511 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: what they've done. None. And witness what we've moved on 512 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: from one crisis, which was COVID, to the next crisis, 513 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 1: which is Ukraine. Why nothing changed except the politics. It 514 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 1: is a crisis distraction strategy and it is intentional so 515 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 1: that Americans and those around the world do not have 516 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: to look and feel and act on the suffering that 517 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 1: they witness in their day to day lives. Economic collapse, 518 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 1: open borders, drug addiction, sentinel overdoses, anxiety, depressions, suicide, sailing, schools, crime, 519 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: all of that gets put on the back burner during 520 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 1: a state of crisis, so no, they will not acknowledge it. 521 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: The only way for us to move forward and get 522 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: out of this is for individuals, the parents, the friends, 523 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: the families. People who have taken hold of and been 524 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 1: taken hold of fear become essentially addicted to fear, start 525 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 1: to acknowledge that they themselves are hurting each other and 526 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 1: themselves by holding onto the fear. And that's why I'm 527 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: writing a second book right now called Freedom from Fear, 528 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 1: a twelve step guide to an individual and national recovery, 529 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 1: modeled after AA and Jordan B. Peterson's Twelve Rules for Life. 530 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 1: We cannot look to the top to correct themselves. We 531 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 1: have to look to each other and build up from 532 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 1: the bottom to get over this fear addiction and hopefully, 533 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 1: hopefully block the next crisis from taking over our lives. 534 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: Psychidris Mark McDonald. He has a book out United States 535 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 1: of Fear, How America Fell victim to a mass delusional Psychosis, 536 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 1: and another one on the way, and Doc please come 537 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 1: back and talk to us when that one's ready for 538 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 1: ready for the folks to hear about it. I'd love 539 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: to hope to get it out by Easter perhaps May. 540 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,479 Speaker 1: All right, thanks so much. I mean, I mean, I've 541 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: been wondering where where are the mds who will talk 542 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: about mass delusion psychosis. He's a mass formation psycho. Same thing, 543 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 1: because it's real, because that's what we've gone through, because 544 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 1: that's why people that are driving around with masks on 545 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 1: alone in their cars don't realize how crazy they are. Well, 546 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: not only that, I would bet that we are more 547 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 1: susceptible than ever before because of the rise of social 548 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 1: media question, which is requiring people on pain of social 549 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 1: ostraization to all end up with the same opinion at 550 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 1: the same time. And that's kind of the joke that 551 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 1: we played yesterday with the comedy bit about how you 552 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 1: know I was super committed to making sure that I 553 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: was wearing a mask and now I've pivoted. As he 554 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: said to Ukraine, we're jumping from one basic mob of 555 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: appeal to another. And it's really I don't know how 556 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 1: you break the trend, which is why I thought he 557 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 1: was so fascinating. The market based. When the market collapses, 558 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 1: you have to acknowledge, hey, maybe I got something wrong 559 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 1: right in the sixteen hundreds. 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Sure you are familiar with 613 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: this show, whose Twitter account is also a source of 614 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 1: amusement for many across the country. Mister Jesse, good to 615 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 1: have you on, Sir Oh wat's an honor to be 616 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:52,880 Speaker 1: on the biggest show in the country, and I know 617 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 1: you're honored to have me as well as always, Sir, 618 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: as always, So Jesse, I want to start with this 619 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,239 Speaker 1: the Biden White House for a second. Joe Biden supposed 620 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 1: to be heading to Europe. They're saying, you know, Kamala 621 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 1: has already been over there. Joe Biden's supposed to be be 622 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 1: heading Europe. I believe next week is what's being talked 623 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,719 Speaker 1: about right now, as if that is something that is 624 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 1: supposed to make us feel better about the situation. I mean, 625 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,720 Speaker 1: I see everything from Biden these days through this lens 626 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:27,319 Speaker 1: of I am angry, but not surprised that they put 627 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,759 Speaker 1: this individual in a position where, when things really get 628 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 1: tough and rough, we see it was reckless. It was 629 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,359 Speaker 1: insane to make this guy the president of the United States. Yeah, 630 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,400 Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I don't want to be a Debbie 631 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,239 Speaker 1: Downer buck. As soon as I heard that, I heard 632 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 1: that this morning, I got legitimately worried. I mean, beyond 633 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,719 Speaker 1: the normal. You know, you and I get to laugh 634 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,440 Speaker 1: on the radio being claimed you will bull yuck it 635 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,799 Speaker 1: up over about what an idiot he is. It is 636 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 1: legitimately a concern to have this president personally reveal how 637 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,920 Speaker 1: feeble and not doing well he is to other parts 638 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 1: of the world. It's not a stretch to say all 639 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,320 Speaker 1: the bad guys are on the move right now because 640 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 1: they look at the half functional human being in the 641 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 1: White House. I do not want him presenting himself in 642 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 1: person to other people. He is not doing well. His 643 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 1: mouth hangs open, it looks like he's half asleep. He 644 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,719 Speaker 1: does that stiff armed walk, and everybody who's looked into 645 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,879 Speaker 1: it knows exactly what that means. Well, what are these 646 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:25,800 Speaker 1: guys gonna think when they meet that guy in person? 647 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 1: They're gonna think we are pathetic and not gonna do anything. Jesse, 648 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 1: this is much less serious. But I saw this and 649 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 1: I thought, I bet you have a take on it. 650 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,680 Speaker 1: Buck and I were talking about it at off air. 651 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 1: Did you see where Elon Musk challenged Vladimir Putin to 652 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,360 Speaker 1: a basically a trial by combat game of throne style, 653 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,000 Speaker 1: which I love. But one like Putin is sixty nine 654 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,279 Speaker 1: years old, but he's only five seven. What percentage of 655 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,840 Speaker 1: Americans do you think Putin could defeat in a trial 656 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,719 Speaker 1: by combat? Basically? You know, within his background, and who 657 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,399 Speaker 1: would be the best American to pict right now? If 658 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,399 Speaker 1: we had one a legitimate Game of Thrones trial by 659 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,839 Speaker 1: combat style, like, who would you go with? Obviously we'd 660 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,360 Speaker 1: have to try to stay in the same age range. 661 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 1: I would say, Clay, There's no question about it. The 662 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,719 Speaker 1: thing about Putin is everyone talks about him, you know, 663 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,400 Speaker 1: with his key KGB background, and they'll bring up the 664 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,480 Speaker 1: judo thing. Yeah, you don't know how good the guy 665 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,839 Speaker 1: is at judo. Obviously, if you didn't give the guy 666 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:23,799 Speaker 1: a black belt, all of a sudden, you're gonna be 667 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 1: found hanging from your belt in the shower. So of 668 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 1: course he's gonna be given up. You don't know that 669 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 1: he knows anything. I don't know that I buy into this. 670 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,399 Speaker 1: Last you think you could beat Putin in a trial 671 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 1: by combat? You yourself, you're a big guy, you are 672 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,160 Speaker 1: a marine, or do you think he would beat you? 673 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 1: I would pummel that tiny little tyrant into a bloody 674 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,360 Speaker 1: pulp and enjoy every single second. But again, I'm forty. 675 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,759 Speaker 1: That's more of an age thing than anything else. If 676 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 1: we're gonna, oh, let's see you know what you know? 677 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 1: You know? I bet this would be a good match. 678 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 1: I'd like to see putin versus Ted Cruise. Ted Cruise 679 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,160 Speaker 1: is a little chubby. He's a friend of mine, but 680 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,160 Speaker 1: so I could say there's a little chubby, he's a 681 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 1: little younger, but probably not what you'd consider some kind 682 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,880 Speaker 1: of martial arts master. Putin versus Cruz would be like 683 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,480 Speaker 1: a celebrity boxing match I'd show up for. If we're 684 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,879 Speaker 1: talking about fight to the death, then we better pick 685 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,719 Speaker 1: one of the Democrats, because look, they're they're more happy 686 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 1: murdering people than people on the right. Big in a 687 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:21,879 Speaker 1: Jesse Kelly, syndicated radio host and apparently analyst of combatives 688 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,080 Speaker 1: and mixed martial arts on the side as well. Um, Jesse, 689 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,359 Speaker 1: how do you how do you think we're handling? I mean, sorry, 690 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,000 Speaker 1: I was going to pivot back to a serious thing 691 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,040 Speaker 1: here for a second, because I've been worried all along 692 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:35,920 Speaker 1: that what's going to happen is in the early days 693 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,879 Speaker 1: of the conflict in Ukraine, there would be everyone, well 694 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:41,480 Speaker 1: not everybody, but a lot of people would say, oh, 695 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,279 Speaker 1: you're right, this is not our fight. We've been through 696 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,200 Speaker 1: too many wars already. And then the videos would come out, 697 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,000 Speaker 1: and then the pounding of the cities would occur with 698 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,160 Speaker 1: artillery and rockets, and now it sounds you got you 699 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:56,600 Speaker 1: got Zelenski going around to Canada to their parliament and 700 00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,320 Speaker 1: tomorrow speaking to the US Congress straight up saying we 701 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 1: want to know fly zone, We want you guys in 702 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,600 Speaker 1: on this. Are you confident that that's not going to happen, 703 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,959 Speaker 1: because I'm starting to think that it's just a matter 704 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,960 Speaker 1: of time before enough people say, oh, we have to 705 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:14,040 Speaker 1: do this without thinking about what doing this would really mean. No, 706 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,680 Speaker 1: I'm not confident it's not going to happen, because the 707 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,560 Speaker 1: tail wags the dog now constantly. We've become a society, well, 708 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,920 Speaker 1: the world is not just America. We become a society 709 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,719 Speaker 1: that is honestly it's run by social media. And people 710 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,919 Speaker 1: can say, well, most people aren't on Twitter, and that's true. Yeah, 711 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,440 Speaker 1: but the people who make the decisions are on Twitter, 712 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,920 Speaker 1: and they live on Facebook and Instagram, and they do 713 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,480 Speaker 1: run foreign policy based on sad videos they see online. 714 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,600 Speaker 1: And that's part of the reason we are so mixed 715 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,640 Speaker 1: up now is emotion governs everything. It doesn't matter if 716 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 1: you're solidly in the no fly zone camp right now. 717 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,080 Speaker 1: One video comes out tonight, it could happen fifteen minutes 718 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,160 Speaker 1: from now. It could happen while we're sitting here talking. 719 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,560 Speaker 1: One video comes out of some bombed out kids hospital 720 00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,600 Speaker 1: or orphanage and they hauld some dead kid out in Ukraine, 721 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,520 Speaker 1: and you'd have seventy to eighty percent of US soccer 722 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,840 Speaker 1: moms in this country beating down their congressman's door to 723 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,879 Speaker 1: go invade Ukraine's. That's how we run now, and it's 724 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,880 Speaker 1: a very very dangerous place to be. And back to 725 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,800 Speaker 1: what we talked about in the beginning, the stop gap 726 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,120 Speaker 1: for that is the dottering old fool currently masquerading as 727 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,320 Speaker 1: president of the United States. So he's not going to 728 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,719 Speaker 1: be able to withstand that kind of pressure if it 729 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,240 Speaker 1: comes down on him, does have the strength for it. 730 00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,160 Speaker 1: It is amazing you mentioned that, Jesse, because and Buck 731 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,200 Speaker 1: and I were talking about this off the air too. 732 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,760 Speaker 1: The number of people that are willing to withstand twenty 733 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,799 Speaker 1: four hours of bad news in order to make the 734 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:42,319 Speaker 1: right decision is almost nonexistent. Everybody is so afraid of 735 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,319 Speaker 1: that social media mob coming after them, and I think 736 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:49,000 Speaker 1: you can draw direct analogy. Look the George Floyd incident 737 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,400 Speaker 1: and it's aftermath. We decided to have a legitimate debate 738 00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,240 Speaker 1: in this country. We really did over defund the police. 739 00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:01,080 Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter basically became a sainted organization that was 740 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:05,280 Speaker 1: had every major company in America genuflecting at their altar. 741 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,000 Speaker 1: And the natural result of that, and now people don't 742 00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,840 Speaker 1: even want to acknowledge it was thousands of people died 743 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,799 Speaker 1: who would otherwise be alive a violent crime because we 744 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:21,680 Speaker 1: took away police officers and their ability to implement the 745 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,440 Speaker 1: actual law and protect people. How do we get back 746 00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:30,360 Speaker 1: to not allowing emotion on social media to dictate every 747 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:34,719 Speaker 1: response or we so far gone it's impossible to hope 748 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:39,040 Speaker 1: that that could ever reverse itself. I actually I've known 749 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:40,960 Speaker 1: as a pessimist or maybe a bit of a cynic. 750 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:42,919 Speaker 1: I do have a hopeful take on that clay, because 751 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,320 Speaker 1: everything you just said is correct. However, on a macro level, 752 00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,359 Speaker 1: I think we have to acknowledge that social media is 753 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,640 Speaker 1: still fairly new, and so what we're having a hard 754 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,000 Speaker 1: time doing as a society. Whole countries are having a 755 00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,400 Speaker 1: hard time doing this. We're having a hard time adjusting 756 00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,560 Speaker 1: to something I call the nuclear news cycle, where the 757 00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,040 Speaker 1: bad part about where we live now because of social 758 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:07,520 Speaker 1: media is it burns really, really really hot for twenty 759 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,839 Speaker 1: four hours. And I've been I've been under the so 760 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:11,960 Speaker 1: many of these, more than I can possibly count for 761 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,600 Speaker 1: twenty four hours. It's not just your enemies coming for you. 762 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,839 Speaker 1: Your mom read about it on Facebook. Oh no, your 763 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,279 Speaker 1: sister saw something on Twitter. Did you hear what? They're 764 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,880 Speaker 1: sick every it's your friends who are coming at you 765 00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,160 Speaker 1: for twenty four hour period. You feel like the entire 766 00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,399 Speaker 1: world is coming down on you. But there's a good 767 00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,240 Speaker 1: side to that. It only lasts twenty four hours because 768 00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,120 Speaker 1: there's always a new story, always a new scandal. People 769 00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,840 Speaker 1: just breeze right along from gigantic stories like they're nothing. 770 00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:41,040 Speaker 1: If you can just withstand twenty four hours, keep your 771 00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,520 Speaker 1: head down, shut your freaking mouth, you'll end up being fine. 772 00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,960 Speaker 1: And I think I think societies haven't adjusted that way yet. 773 00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:52,160 Speaker 1: CEO's haven't, politicians haven't, regular people have not. We've not 774 00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,080 Speaker 1: adjusted to the nuclear news cycle. But it is so new. 775 00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,360 Speaker 1: I think we need time to adjust. Jesse, you probably 776 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,279 Speaker 1: have seen there's a lot of whether it's members of 777 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,920 Speaker 1: Congress Democrats obviously, although I think one or two Republicans 778 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,359 Speaker 1: actually as well, though they're the Republicans who spend all 779 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:12,920 Speaker 1: their time bashing Republicans, referring to people that are trying 780 00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:17,239 Speaker 1: to look at all aspects of either US intervention or 781 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,279 Speaker 1: what led up to the invasion of Ukraine, and throwing 782 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,560 Speaker 1: a word treason around. I mean, notably, you have sitting 783 00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,040 Speaker 1: senators saying Tucker Carlston's guilty of treason. You had the 784 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,920 Speaker 1: idiots on the view saying that he should be investigated 785 00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,080 Speaker 1: by the Department of Justice, which I think we have 786 00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,120 Speaker 1: to take somewhat seriously in so far as the Biden 787 00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,360 Speaker 1: regime will tell social media companies to shut people down 788 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,200 Speaker 1: for their wrong think. So, I mean, what are we 789 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:42,840 Speaker 1: to make of the fact that people who are now 790 00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,640 Speaker 1: opposing military intervention in a country in which we are 791 00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,719 Speaker 1: not at war and do not have a critical national 792 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:52,439 Speaker 1: security interest are being called traitors by the apparatus. Well, 793 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,400 Speaker 1: we're to make of it that they're telling us how 794 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:59,719 Speaker 1: they really feel. This is not Sometimes I get frusted 795 00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,279 Speaker 1: with people on the right because they still want to 796 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,440 Speaker 1: live in this pie in the sky world where we just, 797 00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,879 Speaker 1: you know, we could have a disagreement between the right 798 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,240 Speaker 1: and the left, and let's sit down and have a discussion. 799 00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,200 Speaker 1: No no, no no, no, no, no, that's twenty years ago. 800 00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,440 Speaker 1: The people on the left in this country are happy 801 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,360 Speaker 1: to have you dead right now. They're happy to have 802 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:19,839 Speaker 1: you arrested. An uncomfortably high percentage of your fellow Americans 803 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,640 Speaker 1: would happily have you thrown in jail or shot for 804 00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,799 Speaker 1: what you believe. I know people don't want to talk 805 00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,439 Speaker 1: about that. They don't want to acknowledge that. That makes 806 00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:31,480 Speaker 1: people uncomfortable. Why do you think the mask slips so often? 807 00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,080 Speaker 1: How often do you see a major media figure, let 808 00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,839 Speaker 1: alone just you know, the normal Joe on Facebook? How 809 00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,080 Speaker 1: often do you see a major media figure or political 810 00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,319 Speaker 1: figure either celebrate the death of someone on the right 811 00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,000 Speaker 1: or wish for the death or wish for their arrest. 812 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,600 Speaker 1: It's all the time. It's all the time, because that's 813 00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:52,160 Speaker 1: how they think. They're not liberals now. They are full 814 00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:56,200 Speaker 1: blown communists, and communists believe in murdering as many people 815 00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,080 Speaker 1: as they have to to accomplish their goals. It is 816 00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,680 Speaker 1: a sick, evil religion of destruction, and that is hard 817 00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:04,440 Speaker 1: for people to accept because you don't want to look 818 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,960 Speaker 1: at your neighbor across the street that way. But if 819 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,759 Speaker 1: your neighbor across the street has a Biden sign in 820 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,440 Speaker 1: the yard and go greenness and all that other stuff. 821 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,560 Speaker 1: I got news for you. Your neighbor across the street 822 00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,640 Speaker 1: would turn you into the doj to have you thrown 823 00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:20,279 Speaker 1: in a dark hole without a moment of hesitation. That's reality. 824 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,480 Speaker 1: We're talking to, Jesse Kelly. After that dark analogy. I've 825 00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:28,200 Speaker 1: got a positive story here to close with, Jesse. Your boy, Buck, 826 00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:32,240 Speaker 1: my co host here, has just filled out his first 827 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:36,239 Speaker 1: NCUBA tournament bracket ever. Now, we were having dinner down 828 00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,160 Speaker 1: in Houston when I told you this, and you were 829 00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,480 Speaker 1: in as much disbelief as I was. And by the way, 830 00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:43,680 Speaker 1: a couple of people who also work on the show 831 00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,839 Speaker 1: had never filled out a bracket. This blew my mind. 832 00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:48,839 Speaker 1: Is this blow your mind as much as it does mine? 833 00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,520 Speaker 1: I don't. Honestly, we tried to pick Buck's brain about 834 00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,440 Speaker 1: it that night when we were sitting down for dinner. 835 00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:58,160 Speaker 1: I still didn't get a good explanation how that's possible. 836 00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,960 Speaker 1: I mean, that is something that the Buck has been CIA. 837 00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,800 Speaker 1: He's been around the block, he's been around the world. 838 00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,799 Speaker 1: No one ever handed you a bracket, Buck, and say 839 00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,480 Speaker 1: they didn't have a CIA bracket challenge like there was 840 00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,520 Speaker 1: never one in the office, like nobody was doing this 841 00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,080 Speaker 1: was it was it not a loss involved which countries 842 00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:19,200 Speaker 1: were going to have governments that fell. There was no sports. 843 00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,200 Speaker 1: He's picked a villanova. By the way, Jesse, have you 844 00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,480 Speaker 1: done a bracket? Do your kids do a bracket? I've 845 00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,440 Speaker 1: got my kids filling it. We haven't family bracket challenge. 846 00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,240 Speaker 1: You guys do this. We have a family bracket challenge 847 00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,439 Speaker 1: in on the line is somebody gets to pick all 848 00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,600 Speaker 1: the entertainment options for that night, which whoever in the 849 00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,360 Speaker 1: family wins, gets to pick the entertainment options. And I 850 00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,840 Speaker 1: have a son who loves the worst board games in 851 00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,640 Speaker 1: the world. We're all just praying he doesn't win. Otherwise 852 00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,200 Speaker 1: we're toast. What is the worst board game in the world. 853 00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:52,200 Speaker 1: There's a Jaws board game. I can't explain it on 854 00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:56,719 Speaker 1: the radio. It's the most atrocious, complicated thing. So you 855 00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,560 Speaker 1: could say Jaws, or you could say a classic like Monopoly, 856 00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:01,720 Speaker 1: or we play those all the time as a family, 857 00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,080 Speaker 1: but they always end in a family fight. They also 858 00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,839 Speaker 1: never oh, they never end, and when they finally end, 859 00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,040 Speaker 1: everyone hates each other. So those are probably the top ones. 860 00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,920 Speaker 1: Outstanding stuff. Jesse Kelly his show six to nine PM 861 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,640 Speaker 1: on many of these same premier stations. 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