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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season thirteen, episode three

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Speaker 1: of DOS Daily's Eight Guys for January eleven, two thou eighteen.

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Speaker 1: My name is Jack O'Brien a K A Baby Got

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Speaker 1: Jammum film courtesy of Kleb Wexler, and I'm thrilled to

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Speaker 1: be joined by my co host, Mr Miles Gray. That's right,

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Speaker 1: it's your boys, Gray a K Shades of Gray. And

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Speaker 1: thank you to Daniel Kenny for that very appropriate AKA

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Speaker 1: bless you and thank you for listening. And we are

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Speaker 1: thrilled to be joined on our third seat by the

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Speaker 1: hilarious stand up comedian, podcast host, comedy writer, and just

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Speaker 1: all around great guy crack dot com very own Alex

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Speaker 1: s o. Hey, it's great to be here, an pleasure

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Speaker 1: we're thrilled to have. It's great to see the people

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Speaker 1: are thrilled. The people are who are very excited. When

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Speaker 1: at I pretended like I was informally calling you to

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Speaker 1: just come on today, that was really fun. Are you

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Speaker 1: gonna call him Smitty the clam Oh yeah, okay, Schmitty

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Speaker 1: the clam Man. Here we go. It's all right, Oh

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Speaker 1: my god, he's crying. Can you get into issue walks

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Speaker 1: into every room, he enters cock first. That's my other

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Speaker 1: thing I always say about Alex. Yeah, people, because that's

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Speaker 1: that's like my favorite running jack joke about me. And

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Speaker 1: I think one live show you said that, and so

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Speaker 1: then I just tried to physically do that coming down stage,

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Speaker 1: I tried to go cock first, and it's pretty impressive.

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Speaker 1: It's hard on the back really making sure. Yeah, Alex,

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Speaker 1: what's something from your search history that is revealing about

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Speaker 1: who you are as he can be? I have been looking.

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Speaker 1: I just regularly look into the share Zone. Do you

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Speaker 1: guys know about the share Zone on Twitter and Facebook?

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Speaker 1: Who what? It's a joke account that is like the

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Speaker 1: best thing from a year or two ago. It's this

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Speaker 1: like fake, just social media junk account that's all skeletons

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Speaker 1: and attitude and like memes of about being badass. But

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Speaker 1: it's also this comedy character where he's very anxious and

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Speaker 1: he has ib s and he has like an upsetting life.

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Speaker 1: And I want to know who it is. I really

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Speaker 1: really want to know who's making it, because like when

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Speaker 1: people have reached out to him an emailed like, hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm from this website, I'd like to write up to

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Speaker 1: share Zone and tell people about it. He takes their email,

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Speaker 1: screenshots it, and turns it into a meme making fun

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Speaker 1: of the people who reached out to him. It's a

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Speaker 1: total mystery. It's great. So he's like the banks He

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Speaker 1: of memes. That's what you're kind of saying so far. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's great. Yeah, it's like because Drill is great, but

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Speaker 1: everybody figured out who Drill is on Twitter. So right now,

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Speaker 1: it's the share Zone. That's my white whale. How how

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Speaker 1: do you spelled to share zone? It's d A and

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Speaker 1: then share and then I think zone with a zero

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Speaker 1: for the O. Yeah, oh good, I get yeah. And

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Speaker 1: it's like a lot of skeletons, a lot of like

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Speaker 1: um across sticks. It's it's really really really strange, great,

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Speaker 1: way really good. Like one of the last ones is

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Speaker 1: it's like the share Zone to the eighteen prediction Big

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Speaker 1: Time sca revival bit. It's like a skanking skeleton, the

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Speaker 1: special sort of checkerboard aesthetic. That's awesome. Uh, what is

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Speaker 1: something you think is overrated? I think the readers are overrated.

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Speaker 1: Readers like a kindle. Yeah, we'll see if you if

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Speaker 1: you already have one, that's great. But I have found

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Speaker 1: that my phone is basically that, and so there's no

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Speaker 1: phones are enormous and you can do the kindle app

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Speaker 1: and you can like do that instead of checking Twitter

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Speaker 1: seven times a day, like I do. You know, it's great,

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Speaker 1: it's really good. Yeah. Now do you find yourself able

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Speaker 1: to read a book on your phone without checking Twitter

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Speaker 1: three times a day some of the time? That's an

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Speaker 1: excellent question. I have a very difficult time reading on

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Speaker 1: my phone. Yeah, for a long time. I feel like

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Speaker 1: the brightness to like with e readers, like that fake paper,

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Speaker 1: like it's it's not as much of a strain on

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Speaker 1: your eyes. I don't know. Also, I don't like people

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Speaker 1: knowing what books I'm reading, So it's easier when I'm

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Speaker 1: lot of box box car children, Peewee Scouts aready enough.

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Speaker 1: I'm not when I go to college, h alex with

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Speaker 1: something you think is under it. The San Antonio Spurs,

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Speaker 1: even though Kawhi Leonards played like a few games are

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Speaker 1: I have kind of dated my way into it. I'm

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Speaker 1: really great. And then since then it's been real rough

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Speaker 1: and not that great. And then at the same time,

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Speaker 1: I like, even as a kid, I just decided Tim

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Speaker 1: Duncan was really cool once Jordan was gone. No one,

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Speaker 1: you know, because he's not cool and that's what's cool.

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Speaker 1: And you said you dated into liking this person you're

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Speaker 1: dating Greg Popovitch, right, Yes, Okay, that's great. I will

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Speaker 1: be his first lady. It will be the first lady

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Speaker 1: of the Spurs Alex Schmidt. Yeah. Tim Duncan is aggressively

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Speaker 1: not cool in a in a fun way. Ye big,

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Speaker 1: big fundamentals. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, he loves passing. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's the best. He is the hoodie and the blowfish

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Speaker 1: want to see him swim though, Yeah, because I heard

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Speaker 1: that's where like he really gave up his career in

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Speaker 1: He grew up as a as a great swimmer. That

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Speaker 1: right winning the Heisman. Um, alright, let's get into format.

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Speaker 1: We're trying to take a sample of the ideas that

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Speaker 1: I think this bit is getting old. I think I

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Speaker 1: think I need to stop asking you that. What do

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Speaker 1: really forced it. Uh. And we like to start out

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Speaker 1: general conception out there that there are rules and laws

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Speaker 1: cannot fucking touch me. Yeah, so explain what what you

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Speaker 1: mean Just like the past few presidents, they've expanded the

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Speaker 1: at least since Nixon, the they have just expanded expand

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Speaker 1: and yadada, And no, we need to start thinking about

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Speaker 1: electing a president as we're going to elect like a

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Speaker 1: I think I've read people saying that that this is

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Speaker 1: like it. Well, and also on top of the present

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Speaker 1: But in the past, like like Grover Cleveland had a

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Speaker 1: like that movie Dave at All. Yeah, basically basically like

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Speaker 1: look alike, Yeah, like we have to have a president,

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Speaker 1: but they can be up to anything at all, all

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Speaker 1: Europe into chaos. Chaos in the Netherlands. There are cars

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Speaker 1: being burned, there are politicians that are being burned, and yes,

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Speaker 1: there are no go zones in the Netherlands. You call

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Speaker 1: it fake news. Obviously I didn't call that fake news. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I don't think I didn't think. He just showed him, Well,

431
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Speaker 1: he just showed him the clip of him saying that,

432
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Speaker 1: and then he's like, you just call that fake news? Like, no,

433
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Speaker 1: I don't think I did. The reporter's face he literally

434
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,199
Speaker 1: looks at the camera like what am I talking to

435
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,680
Speaker 1: a sentient being? He goes full Jim help, he just

436
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Speaker 1: like so. Then today or this week, he had his

437
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 1: first press conference as ambassador with the Dutch media at

438
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Speaker 1: his residence in the Hague. Uh. And they pressed him

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00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 1: again because that was a fucking weird interaction. Uh. And

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00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 1: you know out there in Holland, they're not about the bullshit,

441
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 1: you know, like they are you. They're like, you said

442
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 1: this ship, you need to answer for it. And so

443
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 1: basically what you'll hear in this is this where the

444
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 1: Dutch media is pressing him. Uh. And they asked him

445
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 1: to read this like inscription behind him, which is like

446
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,399
Speaker 1: from John Adams that says something about like, you know,

447
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 1: like may wise and honest men, like bring good to

448
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 1: the world under this roof, like, and they're trying to

449
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Speaker 1: shame him into answering the question by reading this inscription.

450
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Speaker 1: So now listen to this. This is the most recent

451
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Speaker 1: interaction with Pete Hosha and uh, the Dutch media are

452
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Speaker 1: politicians being burned in the Antherlands in the past? Is

453
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Speaker 1: that something you believe? Yes or no? I'm not revisiting

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Speaker 1: the issue as did you read the quote over the

455
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 1: fire piece from John Adens if you're really an honest

456
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Speaker 1: and wise man, which a please take back to remark

457
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Speaker 1: about burnt politi or are named a politician that was

458
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: burned in the Netherlands he's reading the description right now.

459
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: He just turns around says, thank you. Why don't question

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Speaker 1: the question to answer questions? Oh my god, say this

461
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 1: is not how this works. And that's a Dutch because

462
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 1: no one of his spokes heel was like, okay, come on,

463
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 1: next question, like how they how most people do in

464
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: d C where they're like, okay, we see what you're

465
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 1: trying to, like hold a politician accountable. Next question and

466
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 1: they're like, this is not how this works. And then

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Speaker 1: that female journeys like this is the Netherlands, you have

468
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Speaker 1: to answer questions, meaning it's not the fucking stupid as

469
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Speaker 1: Us where you know you can just fucking wriggle your

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Speaker 1: way out of the thing. He looks so awkward to

471
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 1: like when you guys look at the foot notes footnotes

472
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Speaker 1: of this show, watch the clip because it is so awkward,

473
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 1: like him just reading this inscription having his back to

474
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Speaker 1: the president, turns background. It's like thank you, and they're

475
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: all like airlic that's Dutch anyway, shout out to all

476
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Speaker 1: my people hunt aasgink a crowd of Dutch reporters and

477
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: like John Adams is Blue Force ghosts. That's good. Thank you.

478
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: So yeah, as if it weren't bad. I mean, like

479
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: now that we're putting these like weird idiots in positions

480
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: to like interact with other countries, like yeah, now you're

481
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 1: starting to see people be like, yo, this is this

482
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 1: is not the US, right you have to answer us. Yeah,

483
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 1: I mean talking about dereliction of duty, like they the

484
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: State Department, like so many different parts of this administration

485
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: just they haven't filled positions, and then this is who

486
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 1: they feel the positions that they do feel. Well, it's

487
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: easy because he's like, okay, Ambassador to Holland, do we

488
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Speaker 1: have someone who's Dutch, Okay, send him like he was

489
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: only there for three years and then he moved to

490
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Speaker 1: the US. I don't care. So I mean it's just

491
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: like it's easy. That's the obvious choice. Ambassador to France.

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00:26:56,280 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 1: Do we have a cartoon skunk? Yeah? So Trump, if

493
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 1: you're here, if you're hearing me, make me ambassador to

494
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: blazea for black Asians out there. I mean, that's my specialty.

495
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: So you know, I would love I would accept that position.

496
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: You would actually be good at that position though, so

497
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: that does not apply. That will not be happening. All right,

498
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 1: Let's move on to me. Yeah, so Franco, the report

499
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: came out today that five women are accusing him of

500
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: you know, sexual nice conduct, h exploitative behavior, explative behavior.

501
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: It's kind of a more I don't know, gray area

502
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 1: than ones we've talked about in the past. So we're

503
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: gonna hold that one for our guests tomorrow, Sara June,

504
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: who is a woman as her name suggests, and uh, yeah,

505
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 1: we we want to get her her opinion on on

506
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 1: the Franco story. Um, but we couldn't let Mike Douglas

507
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: go by because it's just one of my favorite headlines.

508
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 1: Michael Douglas preemptively denies masturbating in front of a woman,

509
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 1: which sounds like he just called news out of it

510
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: was like, hey, this is Michael Douglas. I've never masturbated

511
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 1: in front of a woman. And then it's like it's

512
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: like huh, but the article when you read it, it's

513
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: it's sort of it's not a woman. He was told

514
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 1: that the accusation was going to be made, and so uh,

515
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: he thought he should call a different outlet and tell

516
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 1: them his side of the story. Um, and they were like, hey,

517
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: so this is a weird conversation. And also they pointed

518
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: out that the whole thing as he was portraying it

519
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: sounded like it was a Michael Douglas movie, where like

520
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: sexual man in danger, Like the only difference was it

521
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: wasn't like happening in the nineteen eighties, but otherwise because

522
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: he was talking to Deadline right, and it was just

523
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: such a breathless, like Hollywood red carpet questions, like you've

524
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: made many films, that's not what we're talking about, Like,

525
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: so did you masturbate in front of her? Wait? What?

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00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: That was a turn. We wanted to talk about the

527
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: piece written by Moira Donigan, who was the creator of

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00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: the Shitty Media Men list. She was presumably about to

529
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Speaker 1: be dosed by a Harper's article. They're gonna say that

530
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 1: she was probably the person who created the list. So

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00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: she kind of came out on Twitter and was like, yeah,

532
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: it was me, Like you don't have to docks me,

533
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: Like you can look on Instagram and see where I

534
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: usually hang out if you want to do me physical harm,

535
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: because that was her fear was that, like if Harper's

536
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 1: comes out and names her that, like people were speculating.

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00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: I think that was there's a lot of speculation of

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Speaker 1: like the danger that you know that she would she

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00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: could possibly be in. Yeah, and I mean not that

540
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: that was the only reason, but yeah, it it's I

541
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: think it makes sense. You know, some people like, well

542
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,479
Speaker 1: then why would she just out herself? And it's she

543
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: gives a very good explanation of what was going on

544
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: and what her intentions were with it. Yeah. So this

545
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: was she created a Google doc where women could post anonymously, uh,

546
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: their experiences with different men in the media industry. Uh,

547
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: and you know, they could post any sort of sexual misconduct,

548
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: bullying behavior and uh, you know, the the way that

549
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: the story had come down to me was that you know,

550
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: it kind of got out of hand and you know,

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00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: people's names were being thrown on there that you know,

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00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: with without accountability. And she does a really good job

553
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: of kind of explaining where she was coming from. I thought,

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00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: um and one of the things that I hadn't realized

555
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: is it was only up for a couple of hours.

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Speaker 1: It was up for like twelve hours, right, and then

557
00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: it just got flooded with with entries and she was

558
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: pointing out that, um was she was she sharing it

559
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: with like specific friends or something before that? Was Is

560
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: that the deal or it was just at all on

561
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: the internet for about twelve hours, and then it got railed.

562
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: I think she was sharing it with specific friends and

563
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: it got like spread around. It was probably like an

564
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: invite only thing the way you can on like a

565
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: Google doc, and uh, it got spread so fast and

566
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: to so many people. Uh. And then I think within

567
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: twelve hours, BuzzFeed was like going to publish an article

568
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: about the shitty Men list, and she was like, Okay,

569
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: this has kind of gotten away from me. So I

570
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: think she took it down at that point, right, but

571
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: then that but then people had already sort of duplicated

572
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: it and posted every yeah yeah, um. So I mean

573
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: the points that she made were, uh, the ways that

574
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: women have to adjudicate this sort of behavior, uh, you

575
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: know are not great. Like if you want to report

576
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: it to HR, hr main interest is only to protect

577
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: the company from any sort of you know, litigation, So

578
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: their main interest is not in helping the victim at all.

579
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 1: And we've seen that time and again with these accusations, especially,

580
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: I mean the ones in politics were really bad because

581
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: they would like make the victims do counseling with the

582
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: people they were accusing of, you know, sexual harassment all

583
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: the way up to sexual assault. Um. And she was saying,

584
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: the police, uh, you know, present their own set of problems.

585
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: I think that's the one that um people are usually like, well,

586
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: just go to the police. Um. But yeah, I mean

587
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: the police are notoriously, as she puts it, notoriously inept

588
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: with handling sexual assault cases. UM. And so she was

589
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: saying the spreadsheet basically to presumption, uh that our culture

590
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: sees as radical, but that she's kind of raising the

591
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: question shouldn't be seen as radical, Uh, that it is men,

592
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: not women who are responsible for men's sexual misconduct. It's

593
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: you know, it's just letting women kind of put their

594
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: voices out there. And uh, you know, the other point

595
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: she's making is that she didn't intend for this to

596
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: be a public thing. She kind of does a really

597
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: good job of describing the sort of historic importance of

598
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: whisper networks. Because if you don't have a public way

599
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: of you know, informing other women that somebody is you know,

600
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: problematic or scary to be around, then you have women

601
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: kind of talking to each other in private and telling

602
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: each other, you know, keep an eye up for that person. Um.

603
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: And that's basically what she was hoping to accomplish with

604
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: a spreadsheet, but just in a more formalized way, because

605
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: whisper networks, because they're informed, tend to be you know,

606
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: discriminatory or like they don't include women of color or

607
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: people who aren't like already friends, and they can be

608
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: elitist or insulars. She says, So, Um, the document was

609
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: more responsible than I had assumed given the you know

610
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: versions that I had heard in the media, Like they

611
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: visibly distinguished violent accusations from others. Um, they were you know,

612
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: very clear about what the accusations were. So you know,

613
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: it's almost like more responsible than a whisper network, is

614
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,399
Speaker 1: kind of what she was hoping to get at. It's

615
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:47,479
Speaker 1: just that, um, because there was evidence of it, that's

616
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: what kind of caused the problem. Yeah, it seems like

617
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: if there was a better way to do it, they

618
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: would do it, you know, Like it's it's sort of

619
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: like how a lot of these things are being prosecuted

620
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: on Twitter basically, and there are issues with that, but

621
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: it's way better than what we're doing before, which is

622
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: nothing like we just have to do something. Well, yeah,

623
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 1: that's like sort of it seems like the evolution of

624
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: all of these new revelations and like, as part of

625
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: the sea change is figuring out how if we have

626
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: if we're going to move away from the whisper network

627
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: way of informing people, Like, what's that next logical step

628
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: to do it in a way that's that's I guess

629
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: the most responsible way, considering all parties involved, that is

630
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: just complete like you know, sort of social media accusations,

631
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: because that's kind of the way it's been done now. Um,

632
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: And just another point that I guess she doesn't specifically raise,

633
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: but you know a lot of people are like, well,

634
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: how do we know it's true? And there's sort of

635
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: this implicit assumption I think on some men's part that

636
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: you know, making accusations against a man is something a

637
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: woman would do, you know, easily and for fun. And

638
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: at the end of the article, I was surprised to

639
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: see that like a lot of the thing that she

640
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: was worried about when she first put the dock up

641
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: like actually came to pass. Said in the weeks after

642
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: the spreadsheet was exposed, my life changed dramatically. I lost friends,

643
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: some who thought I had been over zealous, others who

644
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 1: thought I hadn't been zealous enough. She lost her job, um,

645
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: and the fear of being exposed and the harassment that

646
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 1: will inevitably follow. Um. You know, just in my time

647
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: it Cracked, we had communities of mostly gaming communities who

648
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: just objected to something a female actress did in one

649
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,720
Speaker 1: of our videos, and you know, they would go after

650
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: them in such a violent and like horrifying way. Um.

651
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: So it just seems like, you know, even though she's

652
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: she's not being dramatic when she says that she's worried

653
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: about that, and like the way that online communities go

654
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: after people, especially like men's rights activists, is pretty Uh,

655
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,280
Speaker 1: it's crazy. As bad as you assume it is, it's

656
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: oftentimes worse than that. Yeah, I mean there's people who

657
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: are opposed to this list for certain specific reasons. And

658
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:14,959
Speaker 1: then there are people who are opposed to this list

659
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: who tracked down people's parents addresses because they're upset, you

660
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like it's there, it's a it's

661
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 1: a real thing, and her thing was you're saying, like

662
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 1: her intention from the jump wasn't to like it wasn't

663
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: meant to be a weapon or inflict consequences. It was

664
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:34,280
Speaker 1: just basically they're as like information for women to decide

665
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: themselves if by like looking at this, are they around

666
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: these people as it like, are they willing to put

667
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: themselves like in any kind of danger based on what

668
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: other people are saying? And yeah, and it turned into like, yeah,

669
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: the first thing I heard was like it's people were

670
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: kind of spinning and it's like, oh, it's like the

671
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,879
Speaker 1: fucking it's like a list of all the people who

672
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 1: are evil and must be dealt with. When it was

673
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: something that was started with a completely different intention, Yeah,

674
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: because from what I've heard about it, there were a

675
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: lot of people on the list for like terrible violent things,

676
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: and then there were also people on the list for

677
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 1: still bad things. But it's like, oh, this guy makes

678
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: weird comments. So then she also she that was fascinating.

679
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: In her article, she said, like it's also I was

680
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: hoping it like a garden variety resource for someone to

681
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: just figure out, Oh is it worth some weird comments

682
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: to work at this gig or not? I can make

683
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: my own decision, and that's useful, you know. Yeah. Also,

684
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,760
Speaker 1: the very first thing on the dock is this document

685
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: is only a collection of misconduct allegations and rumors. Take

686
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: everything with a grain of salt. If you see a

687
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: man you're friends with, don't freak out. Uh So, yeah,

688
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: there's a big disclaimer that I don't know. I think

689
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: it's pretty responsible, Like that's not written in a small

690
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: type at the bottom, and it's the first thing you

691
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 1: see on the dock, and it's written in big red letters. Um.

692
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: Which is a shame that like Harper's was gonna name

693
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: her like that, and it forced her to do that

694
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: when it was something kind of started with the with

695
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: the with you know, with the intent to help and

696
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: protect women from some of these men, I would say,

697
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: with the intent to help them protect women. And I

698
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 1: think that's functionally what they were doing. Like I don't

699
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: I I think the idea that it was, uh, you know,

700
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: a dangerous thing is kind of I don't know. I

701
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: get the concern, but it really seems like based on

702
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: the sort of landscape that she lays out, it seems

703
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 1: like a valuable tool to like they because the other

704
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: version is nothing like what I still don't see what

705
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: women have to communicate with one another, like communicate this

706
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: information to one another other than informal whisper networks right

707
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: and again, and that was her whole thing was that

708
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,720
Speaker 1: those whisper networks are inherently flawed and can exclude people

709
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: who This information might also be of value to super

710
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:01,439
Speaker 1: producer Anajosnia, did you have something you wanted to drop

711
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:05,959
Speaker 1: in here? Um? Yeah, basically I feel like this list

712
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: is very important. Um. And these kinds of lists exist

713
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: through small, much smaller subcultures like comedy groups anywhere where

714
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: there's like a group of women who have to work

715
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: together and have you know, potentially creepy males around. These

716
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: lists come out and they're sent around. I've received lists

717
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,280
Speaker 1: like this being like, you know, I booked this podcast,

718
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,720
Speaker 1: and women just want me to know who has accusations

719
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: against them and who has been known to, you know,

720
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,879
Speaker 1: be a certain way. And and I think it's they're

721
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: everywhere women. No women, We are organized, We we know

722
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: who's out there, we categorize. These things will always pop up,

723
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: and I think to make for whoever to say that

724
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: this is dangerous. It might be dangerous, but it's also

725
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: incredibly important to have these lists and and they will

726
00:40:56,160 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: always they will always exist. If women are here, we

727
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: know who you are. We might not say anything, but

728
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: we know one thing I know about women. They don't

729
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 1: like to talk to each other about anything. Um No,

730
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 1: but I mean, like, so let's also look at some

731
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: of the other alternatives we haven't talked about yet. So

732
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: you're mentioning these smaller, more informal kind of networks or

733
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: lists that people have. Uh, this just seems like a

734
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: central repository for people to share the information with one another. Um.

735
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: The other way that these are being adjudicated that probably

736
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: is more dangerous for people is by people publicly making

737
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: the accusations on Twitter or on social media, and you

738
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: know that person immediately being you know, shamed and presumed guilty. Uh.

739
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: This is like the privacy of this and like the

740
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: anonymity of it, I think is a very valuable thing

741
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: that at least she was trying to do. Yeah. I

742
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: agree with that, because to actively come after someone puts

743
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 1: you in a very sensitive position. You don't know who

744
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: will come after you because of that, and I think

745
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 1: it's important to be able to be informed but not act.

746
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: You know, someone can tell me someone is problematic and

747
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 1: doesn't mean I'm gonna go up to that person be

748
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 1: like yeah, it just knows that I know to be

749
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: protect myself a little around that person. I'm not going

750
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: to go after anyone. I just now know who I

751
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: should spend maybe less time with, maybe someone I don't

752
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: tell where I live, or someone I don't write, or

753
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,879
Speaker 1: just stay after hours with, or reevaluate the how they

754
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: move and and just kind of be aware of what,

755
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: you know, what kind of ulterior motives they might have.

756
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: And I mean this thing was immediately incredibly into her,

757
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: she said, shockingly popular, Like she the really eye opening

758
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: experience for her was just how common this was. She

759
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: was saying that, you know, the thing that women kept saying, who, uh,

760
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: you know we're invited to this list was how surprised

761
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 1: they were to see both the people who they would

762
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,720
Speaker 1: accuse of something being on that list doing the exact

763
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,439
Speaker 1: same thing to somebody else, or just other people doing

764
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 1: the exact same behavior that like someone else did to them.

765
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:26,919
Speaker 1: Um so, I don't know, Like the seeing it from

766
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: her perspective made me think, Okay, we need something, We

767
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 1: need something that is like this, and if it's not this,

768
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,439
Speaker 1: it's got to be something else, because I mean, there

769
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:42,720
Speaker 1: is an absolute need for this sort of thing. Yeah. Also,

770
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: it is somewhat like therapy to see that someone else

771
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: was maybe harassed by that same person, so you don't

772
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 1: feel as crazy. It almost it makes you feel like, Okay, yeah,

773
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: you're right. I wasn't over exaggerating when I thought this

774
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: guy was being a little weird, Like I wasn't just

775
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: overthinking it, like oh no, he has a behavior that

776
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: other women have seen and there's something it makes you

777
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: feel better, right, yeah, And she she goes on to

778
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 1: mention that, like how the documents clearly like cathartic for

779
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: the women who are using it because they were able

780
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: to encourage one another, and yeah, it it basically yeah,

781
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: because for so long we were just not having this

782
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: discussion out in the open. So now it's like we're

783
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: at a point we're like, how do we have this

784
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 1: discussion now in the open? And this is a step

785
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 1: towards figuring that out to create the transparency and accountability

786
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 1: that we just we just need to protect people from predators, right.

787
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: She She points out that, you know, the thing that

788
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: we're finding out in this whole postwine steam world is

789
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 1: that the current situation is untenable. Nobody should have to

790
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: live in the way that we've been living up to

791
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: this point. Now, just to quote her, we're being challenged

792
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: to imagine how we would prefer things to be. And

793
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 1: this feed of imagination is about not a prescriptive dictation

794
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: of acceptable sexual behaviors, but the desire for a kinder,

795
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: more respectful, and more equitable world. Um, like you need

796
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: to create tools that will enforce that kind of behavior.

797
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: And I mean a point she makes is that, you know,

798
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: the document is not just an end in and of itself.

799
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: It's a tool for you know, women to communicate with

800
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 1: one another. And you know, if a guy's name is

801
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,720
Speaker 1: in red, they highlighted names and read where the behavior

802
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: was violent. And if six different people are reporting it,

803
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 1: you know, then that's an opportunity for them to come

804
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: together and you know, pursue some sort of real world action. Um.

805
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,879
Speaker 1: But again, she's just being very respectful in the way

806
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:47,240
Speaker 1: that she's suggesting that's done. It's not. It doesn't seem

807
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: like it's this mob runaway mob mentality. Um. All right,

808
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a quick break and we will be

809
00:45:54,640 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: right back and we're back. Um, So there's still more

810
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:11,919
Speaker 1: to talk about on uh the Shitty Men and media

811
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: list obviously will probably return to it. For instance, you know,

812
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,879
Speaker 1: we didn't really dig into her losing her job, super

813
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: producer Anna Hosnier found that she worked for the New

814
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: Republic New Republic and that, uh, that's the job she

815
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 1: lost and it was was connected to the list. So, um,

816
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's fucked up. We'll we'll look into

817
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: that and see how how they justified that, I guess, um,

818
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: but you know, super producer Nick Stump was pointing out that, uh,

819
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,359
Speaker 1: you know, it's I guess understandable that people would look

820
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: at the list and think, Okay, that's a shitty thing,

821
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 1: that's like a blacklist type thing. Uh, but you know,

822
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: once you read her account of things, it's almost impossible

823
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 1: to view it that way. So I would say, no

824
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: matter who you are, just read read her account of

825
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: the list. I think I think this should be made

826
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 1: like a social media tool, and her article describing it

827
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: should be like the terms of use. And I think

828
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: just required reading, especially even for men, to even understand

829
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: what how something like why there's a necessity for something

830
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: like this. And I think that just and it's just

831
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: to be required reading for everybody, especially men too, because

832
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 1: I think there are a lot of men who are

833
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,879
Speaker 1: easily just think, oh, why are like why are women

834
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: getting together in and talking about men. Dude, No, you

835
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 1: need to read this because there we have no way

836
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: to actually hold people accountable. So these are like organic

837
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: safety nets that people create. And so that's how this happened.

838
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: So please read it. It will be in the footnotes

839
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: foot notes. All right, now let's move on to how

840
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: right I am about every congratulations? Yes, victory, flawless victory. No,

841
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 1: what is it today, pastro Brian? Uh No, So this

842
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: thing that I started talking about, I think I started

843
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: talking about it on the dry runs of when we

844
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: were just practicing this show and not releasing. It's why

845
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: the Curb Your Enthusiasm that we created the Curb your

846
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: Enthusiasm music sting for your conspiracy theories because of this.

847
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: Um So, my theory was that, so there was this

848
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 1: whole controversy people may remember from there, that's my conspiracy

849
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: theory music that completely undermines and makes fun of me

850
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: as a serious person. Uh, thank you conspiracy theorists as

851
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: a serious serious Uh So, there was this uh story

852
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: over the summer where American diplomats in Cuba were claiming

853
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: that they had been attacked by sonic rays. It was

854
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: very interesting. I read like everything I could get my

855
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: eyes on about it because it's sounded like some of

856
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: these spy weapons that we had speculated about in uh

857
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: AT cracked and like that DARPA was supposedly working on

858
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: where you would like have basically lasers of sound that

859
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: could like target people and like totally funk with their

860
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: heads um And basically the idea was that these people

861
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: were having being targeted by invisible sound rays or sound weapons,

862
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: and then they were starting to like lose their hearing

863
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: and like lose balance and like having all these really strange,

864
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: uh you know, strange symptoms. So but the more I

865
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: read about it, the more it reminded me of another

866
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: thing that you end up seeing a lot if you

867
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 1: read and write about history, which is mass hysteria and

868
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: mass panics. It just seemed like the science behind the

869
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: weapons was too vague and or impossible, not backed by

870
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: any existing weapon, any any that existed, any existing science essentially,

871
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: and uh the somebody pointed out that a lot of

872
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: the symptoms could also be associated with aging. Like it

873
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:15,320
Speaker 1: was like loss of hearing and feeling like feeling tired,

874
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: feeling tired. It's like, yeah, that's kind of how I

875
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,879
Speaker 1: feel every day too. Um, I'm very old you are

876
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 1: in my sixties. Uh, he's doing it again, doddering on

877
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: about Cuba. I'm imagining like James Bond, Thanks, the villain

878
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 1: is torturing him. Like, no, that's just I think you're

879
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: getting up there, man, What did you do it in

880
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:44,439
Speaker 1: my back? Exactly? Um, but yeah, So Cuban scientists are

881
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 1: now openly declaring that they think the U. S. Diplomats

882
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 1: are suffering a collective psychogenic disorder, which is a mass hysteria. UM. Now,

883
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: the US Department of State has claimed that, you know,

884
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 1: it's still an attack act, and now they've moved over

885
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 1: from sound weapons to they're claiming that it was like

886
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:09,280
Speaker 1: some sort of virus that they infected people with. UM.

887
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: I still think it's a mass hysteria based on the

888
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: fact that, um, you know, these sorts of symptoms have

889
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: been reported by diplomats in uh, you know, in Russia

890
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: during the sixties at one point, like this is a

891
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: thing that for whatever reason, seems to happen to diplomat um,

892
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: and you know, they get this sort of weird physical

893
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 1: mental thing that overcomes them and suddenly they report that like, uh,

894
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: a hostile nation is attacking them through the walls It's

895
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: funny because like it seems like the State Department really

896
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 1: wants to be able to be like they're attacking us,

897
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 1: so it's like his sonic weapons and it's like that

898
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: doesn't He's like, well then it's uh, they're they're poisoning us,

899
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: and right, that might not be it. So it reminds

900
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: me very much of like how a lot of you know,

901
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 1: sort of these weird witch hunts happened. They're like, hey, man,

902
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: her emails, what a uranium one? And then that doesn't

903
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: stick and it's like what about this next thing? That's like, Okay, look,

904
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 1: we don't really know what the hell is going on

905
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: with these people yet, right, Yeah, with these conspiracy theories

906
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: running through the Diplomatic corps, at least the State Department

907
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: can look up to president conspiracy theory to make them

908
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: calm down, Like like, I wonder what Alex Jones has

909
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:22,399
Speaker 1: to say? What to what have to see? What Alex jesus? Yeah? Yeah,

910
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: and then lastly, we just wanted to talk about the

911
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:32,359
Speaker 1: controversy surrounding line of del Road. Uh new Holy original hit?

912
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: Um do do we have a sample of the song? Yeah?

913
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: So I guess just to set up right, she out of, like,

914
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: nowhere's like, I'm getting sued by radio Hood and they're

915
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: trying to assume me for a hundred percent of my publishing,

916
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 1: which is rare, you know, because you can usually can't

917
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 1: claim that you on the song if you didn't do

918
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,479
Speaker 1: anything to create it, even if it is derivative. So

919
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,479
Speaker 1: she said that she's getting sued because her song get Free,

920
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 1: which like a deep cut on her album, sounds a

921
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 1: lot like Radioheads Creep. So we will let you decide. Uh,

922
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: this is Lanado Rays song get Free. Ah, I'm crossing Lana,

923
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 1: so Lana cut it out. Yeah. Look, I mean we

924
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,359
Speaker 1: already know that she is a pop music robot made

925
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,319
Speaker 1: from the existing parts of old celebrities that they didn't

926
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: work out. But now you listen to Creep. Just take

927
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 1: listen to Creep. I don't know, maybe sounds similar. Yeah,

928
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: that's the same song. It's very similar. Yeah. So now

929
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: a lot of people are saying like, oh, this is

930
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 1: the new blurred Lines or whatever, But those lawsuits are

931
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:02,760
Speaker 1: kind of different because Blurredlines they were they were suing

932
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,399
Speaker 1: about like the vibe of the song, which definitely and

933
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 1: it was very much the vibe with Creep. They're like,

934
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 1: this is like the exact same melody even though the

935
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 1: key is different, the intervals between notes are nearly identical.

936
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 1: So that's sort of their point. Uh, and you know

937
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 1: the Radioheads label. They're like, look, we were willing to

938
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: solve this outside of court, like we just we did,

939
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 1: but we didn't notice that the similarities. And lanadol Ray

940
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 1: is like, well, maybe the courts will have to decide.

941
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 1: So it's kind of a weird thing. No one really

942
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 1: knows why this is happening because usually, like when artists

943
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 1: see each other, it's over big songs because they know

944
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: there's a check involved, like the publishing. There's lucrative that

945
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:41,439
Speaker 1: own apes that publishing. This is like a deep cut

946
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 1: like towards the end of the new album. So it's

947
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: kind of just being like, if you're gonna steal from us,

948
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 1: at least pick a good song because he probably it's

949
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,280
Speaker 1: like what what Star Wars theme is to John Williams

950
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 1: because he just can't stand it. Yeah, so yeah, keep

951
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 1: your eyes on that. I mean, you don't, like, I

952
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: don't know, do you think lanadell Rastel It sounds pretty similar? God,

953
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: So I hope you will do be arbitrating do you

954
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: do at the same time, Like, you know, many great

955
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 1: artists have accidentally copied off of other people, like George

956
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 1: Harrison apparently, uh got sued for that what's that song?

957
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: It's My Sweet Lord? Yeah, my Sweet Lord. It was

958
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 1: a motown group. It was similar to Yeah, apparently, like

959
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 1: they played the song for him in court and he

960
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 1: was like, ohh yeah, yeah, yeah, I definitely saw that.

961
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 1: I didn't remember it, but yeah, I definitely stole that.

962
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 1: Like a lot of times, people will accidentally, you know,

963
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:47,240
Speaker 1: steal something. Andrew Lloyd Webber once got sued for copying

964
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: the melody of a popular song, and then he won

965
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,760
Speaker 1: the case by pointing out that he had an even

966
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 1: earlier song, but he was ripping off, so he was

967
00:55:56,000 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: ripping himself off. So the people that were suing him

968
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 1: for ripping them off in fact ripped an earlier working.

969
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 1: He could have sued them ripping him off in the

970
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 1: first plaception exactly, Like I like how the defenses start

971
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 1: to turn self insulting, like well I don't know how

972
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: to play the piano. It's great, Alex as always, it's

973
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 1: been a pleasure have you here. That's good to see it. Yeah,

974
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 1: it's good to see you, man. Where can people find you?

975
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: Listen to you? Hold you? Oh boy? Not the last

976
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 1: one at all you could. I'm at I'm at Alex

977
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 1: Tremitty on Twitter and then on Yeah, there's a good

978
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:40,879
Speaker 1: podcast I'm told called the Correct Podcast that people should

979
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: check out. I was where can people follow you? You can?

980
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 1: We'll find me holding Alex but he's allowed nobody else.

981
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 1: But we have we have, we have our home. But

982
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 1: if you want, if you're more instuding the social media Twitter, Instagram,

983
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 1: at Miles right, you can follow me at Jack Underscore O'Brien.

984
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: You can follow us at Daily's Like Guys on Twitter.

985
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 1: We're at the Daily's Like on Instagram. We have a

986
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: Facebook fan page just searched daily zeitgeis uh and we

987
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: have a website daily zyguys dot com where you can

988
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,240
Speaker 1: find all of our episodes and the foot Nope, foot nope,

989
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:15,399
Speaker 1: thank you to all of the episodes where we link

990
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 1: off two articles, uh, and just various sources that we

991
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 1: used for the stuff we talked about today. And that's

992
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 1: gonna do it for today. Miles, do you have any

993
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 1: music you would like to play us out on? Yeah,

994
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 1: maybe we'll go out on the song that Radiohead ripped

995
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 1: off to make creep. Uh. You know it's called the

996
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 1: Air that I breathed by the band the Hollies. Uh.

997
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 1: Just so you can remember, they sued radio Head because

998
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: that you're ripping us off. So it's a big merryground

999
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: of ripping each other off. This is the Hollies with

1000
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 1: the air that I read. And we'll be back tomorrow

1001
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 1: because it is a daily podcast. Talk you guys cool.

1002
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:17,919
Speaker 1: Thank god, I can't finerving if man, I need no siads,

1003
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 1: no steep, no light, no sound, nothing to eat, no

1004
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: bums toly be love with you has let it peaceful

1005
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 1: and time. What more could ass theF nothing to be

1006
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 1: hes a my famly and bes me we so steep

1007
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 1: silence and go to sweet. Sometimes all I need is

1008
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 1: a a breath and to love you all is Headyes

1009
00:59:37,600 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 1: you love all is he a fee came upon me

1010
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 1: and bes be so sweet salentaer go to see song

1011
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 1: time is at All I need is a means to look.

1012
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Speaker 1: I is a that agree so time all I it

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01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 1: is he that bread that to you all. I he

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Speaker 1: is he that bread to ward I not be is

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01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 1: the that of mead it is here yes,