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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and US officials say more than a

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Speaker 1: dozen sixteen million dollar Reaper jones have been destroyed in

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Speaker 1: Iran operations. We have such a great show for you today,

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Speaker 1: and Lincoln Project's own Rick Wilson joins us to discuss

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Speaker 1: Mark Wayne mullins disastrous confirmation hearing, and we'll talk to

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Speaker 1: Inside Elections Jacob Rabashkin about the nuances of last night's

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Speaker 1: primary race. Plus as a bonus, we have the Brennan

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Speaker 1: Center's own Michael Waldman to talk about how Democrats can

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Speaker 1: oppose the Save Act. But first the news, Malli.

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Speaker 2: Yesterday we played Kevin Hassett's ridiculous quote about the economy.

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Speaker 2: I have really bad news for mister Trump and his economy.

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Speaker 2: It's going even worse today. We have inflation. Let's watch

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Speaker 2: this clip.

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Speaker 1: Well, what does that tell you?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I understand the short term, we're taking the

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Speaker 3: FED activity out from the two year and that's why

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Speaker 3: you see those spreads kind of get compressed the long end.

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Speaker 3: Does that tell you anything about how people are seeing

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Speaker 3: the health of the economy down the road or is

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Speaker 3: it something else?

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Speaker 4: I do think that there is part of that reflected

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Speaker 4: in this as well. It's almost the worst of both worlds.

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Speaker 4: I guess stagflation would come close to describing the situation.

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Speaker 4: We're probably not going to see FED easing and the

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Speaker 4: long end, well, part of it is weakness. We've had

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Speaker 4: a spat of some fairly weak numbers, and then you

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Speaker 4: put in the fact that we are on the PCE,

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Speaker 4: you know, three percent hand on some of the Fed's

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Speaker 4: favorite metrics. As the Well Street Journal pointed out today,

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Speaker 4: it would be very difficult even for some of the

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Speaker 4: recent appointees to think that easing could even be on

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Speaker 4: the menu at this or even very close subsequent meetings

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Speaker 1: By the way, inflation just came in ro hot, So

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Speaker 1: good luck to everyone who tries to play We have

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Speaker 1: inflation coming in at This is some breaking news on

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Speaker 1: Fast Politics podcast All Sale. Inflation comes in hot for

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Speaker 1: February producer rising three point four percent, biggest jump in

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Speaker 1: a year. Here's what's bad When inflation is rising and

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Speaker 1: the labor market is weakening, not so good. But the

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Speaker 1: good news is that gas prices are going to go up.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know what to tell you, but I

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Speaker 1: think we're in the finding out period at this time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, turns out letting morons run these things as consequences

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Speaker 2: higher energies.

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Speaker 1: I want to just read one thing which I think

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Speaker 1: is really important to Higher energy prices also raise airfares

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Speaker 1: shipping prices, which will make things more expensive. So started

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Speaker 1: with tariffs, went to war. Now things are more expensive. Also,

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Speaker 1: gas more expensive. If you wanted to really fuck up

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Speaker 1: the economy, what you might do were all those things.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of you know, it doesn't put money into

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Speaker 2: the economy. People depend on their tax refunds, and they

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Speaker 2: into local economies, buy big gifts to vacations. Well, it

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Speaker 2: turns out these data centers and other energy prices might

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Speaker 2: eat all the tax refunds this year.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know why data centers will eat them.

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Speaker 2: Because it's energy prices. Everybody's electrical bill, My electrical bills

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Speaker 1: We shouldn't be paying for fucking data centers that you'd

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Speaker 1: be a private cost. The fact that you have people

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Speaker 1: paying for data centers which make data for companies that

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Speaker 1: are not us, and then those companies it's like you

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Speaker 1: paying for my Starbucks have it. It doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 5: I don't want to do that.

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Speaker 2: Let me repeat that.

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Speaker 6: I don't want to do that. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So I don't want to pay for Google. I don't

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Speaker 1: want to pay for Amazon. I don't want to pay

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Speaker 1: for billionaires electricity bills. I want them to fucking pay

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Speaker 1: for their own electricity bills.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean that.

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Speaker 2: Them paying top dollar for these data centers, I think

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Speaker 2: the election. One of the things we saw in the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we can see this coming a million miles away.

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Speaker 1: We have rich people who are acting shitty, right, and

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Speaker 1: they're doing stuff like renegging on the giving pledge. You know,

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Speaker 1: here's what's going to happen. You have a group of

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Speaker 1: one percent. That crew which runs the Trump government and

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Speaker 1: benefits from the Trump government is going to become public

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Speaker 1: enemy number one. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon.

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Speaker 1: And so I just we're watching this sort of meltdown here,

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Speaker 1: Like it's hard to imagine this doesn't end in something

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Speaker 1: French revolution. So I'm telling you right now, like if

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Speaker 1: billionaires just wanted to pretend to be good guys, a

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Speaker 2: Yes, so MAUI interesting new development in the DHS shutdown.

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Speaker 2: It seems that the Dems have a new strategy here.

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Speaker 1: This news strategy to win the dh AS shutdown fight.

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Speaker 1: So Democrats allow DHS to run out of money. The

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Speaker 1: joke here is that ICE has more than one hundred

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Speaker 1: paying TSA in poys. Everyone else is rolling in dew. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just a completely insane way to be.

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Speaker 1: They are making it so that nobody has money, so

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Speaker 1: wait on these insane TSA lines. What they're trying to

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Speaker 1: do is they're trying to get some kind of deal

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Speaker 1: going so that they can reopen DHS and so that

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Speaker 1: people can go on trips that they can no longer

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Speaker 2: I know, it's one of those things everybody's like, well

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Speaker 2: we report wise, it's like that might be a temporary role.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean yeah, I mean we do have these like

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Speaker 2: two sided economy that we're talking about on yesterday that like,

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Speaker 2: you know, the rich are doing insanely insanely well and

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Speaker 2: can go around and go to the most expensive restaurants'.

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Speaker 1: To k shape economy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but then what you see is the middle class

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Speaker 2: the stick. So Mali the Eleson's got some bad news today.

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Speaker 2: There's a little bit of a slowdown in their takeover

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Speaker 2: of Worder Brothers because they got a big lawsuit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so they don't care because why would they, But

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Speaker 1: they get sued one point five billion dollars, which most

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Speaker 1: people would. You know, it's a rounding air for this

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Speaker 1: crew wide ranging lawsuit against the CEO, Peraman Brass and

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Speaker 1: Big Daddy Larry so In. It is this idea that

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Speaker 1: they had an unfair advantage because Trump put his finger

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Speaker 1: on the scale for Allison. And this is clearly true

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Speaker 1: from everything we've seen reported, from things Trump has said,

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Speaker 1: Seth have said, it is clear that these guys were

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Speaker 1: kleptocrating a kleptocracy here. None of this is at all surprising.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, you know, this does have to

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Speaker 1: pass some kind of regulatory scrutiny, and this kind of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and state ags can do a lot of coming

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Speaker 1: most cursed bit of dialogue to happen in the United

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Speaker 1: States Senate since yesterday. We go with Mark Wayne Bullen.

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Speaker 1: Mark Wayne Dueling with two consenting adults is still in there.

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Speaker 1: Rand Paul, a person who is actually and again I

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Speaker 1: take no pleasure to compliment Rand Paul. It's been a

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Speaker 6: Markquain, who who who I believe may have once played

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Speaker 6: and peel throwback for you guys. Markwain is truly one

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Speaker 6: Know, I try to be direct. So in his in

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Speaker 6: with his little phone books under his little, tiny, little

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Speaker 6: He's a wee fella. He's a wee fellow for him. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: there's a there should be a sentence side this. You

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Speaker 6: must be this stall to take these bribes. But Markqwain

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Speaker 6: and so Rand Paul correctly asked Markwain, So you're saying

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Speaker 6: that when Charles Sunder was beaten with a cane on

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Speaker 6: you're still okay with that? And Mullan couldn't be like

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Speaker 6: He could have easily said it. It would have been

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Speaker 6: But instead he gets his fucking back up like a bully,

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Speaker 6: and well, it's still in there. You can't say something.

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Speaker 6: And Rand Paul, who love Ram Paul or hating Ram Paul,

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Speaker 6: since we're in the seventy fifth decad of Trump and

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Speaker 6: No, And I can say there have been presidents who

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Speaker 1: Give me my hairless captain.

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Speaker 6: As I was coming on this show with you, I

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Speaker 6: got a text from somebody in the golf saying, you see,

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Speaker 6: they're hitting Uee again today and they are. They're hitting

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Speaker 6: Qatar again today and they are. The strait is closed

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Speaker 6: except for China again, except for China. China ships are goring. Look,

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Speaker 6: it's it been right through. Yeah, But Molly, this is

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Speaker 6: this is so early in this process and the economic

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Speaker 6: pain is just starting to bite about how bad this is.

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Speaker 6: You know, last week you could still buy gas for

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Speaker 6: three dollars and twenty five cents. This week you can't

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Speaker 6: buy gas for under three dollars and eighty five cents.

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Speaker 6: And it's not slowing down.

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Speaker 1: I want you to talk about what it looks like

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Speaker 1: in the golf now, because for the first two golf Wars,

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Speaker 1: you didn't have booming metropolis's big oh oh goodness, oh

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Speaker 1: oh my, filled with Europeans, Molly, Molly.

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Speaker 6: In Gulf War One in nineteen in nineteen ninety, there

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Speaker 6: probably wasn't a building over three stories in the UAE, right,

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Speaker 6: I mean it was, there were.

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Speaker 7: There were.

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Speaker 1: Kuwait was a fairly developed city by gold.

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Speaker 6: Standards at the time, and I think it had a

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Speaker 6: population of like three hundred and sixty thousand people, right,

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Speaker 6: both in Alabama.

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Speaker 1: Right, So now we have these huge cities filled with

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Speaker 1: international billionaires. We have huge amounts of money. I want

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Speaker 1: you to explain what all this means in that purview, there's.

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Speaker 6: A belief, correctly in the minds of a lot of

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Speaker 6: folks in the Gulf that at some point the oil

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Speaker 6: and natural gas party runs out, that at some point

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Speaker 6: the wells go dry. You pumped your last gallon or

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Speaker 6: your last cubit or metric you know, foot of gas,

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Speaker 6: all that stuff, metric, meter of whatever it is, and

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Speaker 6: you better have something to follow it up. So this

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Speaker 6: is why the golf wanted to become Hong Kong in

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Speaker 6: the desert. They wanted to be Singapore. And I mean

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Speaker 6: a Katari friend of mine said, we're gonna be Singapore.

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Speaker 6: We're gonna be an international banking hub, and we're gonna

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Speaker 6: do We're gonna we're gonna have luxury lifestyle stuff just

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Speaker 6: like just like uh, you know, the UAE does. But

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Speaker 6: there are trillions of dollars of wealth parked in the

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Speaker 6: Gulf m mostly on the Persian Gulf. The Saudis have

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Speaker 6: the biggest country in the area other than Iran, but

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Speaker 6: most of it is essentially uninhabitable. You've got a few

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Speaker 6: big cities, you know, Riad especially and Jetta, But these

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Speaker 6: aren't like the Gulf States. If you go to Doha,

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Speaker 6: or you go to Dubai, or you go to Bahrain,

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Speaker 6: you see these science fiction skylines with these amazing buildings.

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Speaker 6: It looks like nothing you've ever seen in the US.

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Speaker 6: And that's because of trillions of dollars of money from

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Speaker 6: Americans and Russia and Chinese and Europeans flooded in there

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Speaker 6: to these low tax and what were perceived as high

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Speaker 6: security states. M hm, well, right now, none of these states, well,

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Speaker 6: Qatar a little bit. None of these guys have any

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Speaker 6: real great love for Iran. Okay, none of them are

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Speaker 6: like fanboys of Iran. Qatar has always been like a

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Speaker 6: Switzerland for Iran in the region, right, like they could

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Speaker 6: talk uee a little bit too, they would have them

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Speaker 6: over there, they could meet without violence. But right now

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Speaker 6: those countries are seeing not only their current economic model

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Speaker 6: of oil revenue, natural gas revenue, fertilizer revenue, but their

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Speaker 6: future economic model of banking, insurance, finance, lifestyle being knocked

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Speaker 6: around by Iran because Iran is trying to drive us

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Speaker 6: out of the region. I can tell you every single

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Speaker 6: one of these people. I'm not being It's not a cliche.

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Speaker 6: These people love making money, they love wealth, they love

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Speaker 6: they love what the energy world has done for them,

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Speaker 6: and they were really loving what the development finance capital

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Speaker 6: world was doing for them. Now when a twenty thousand

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Speaker 6: dollars drone can strike a multi billion dollar skyscraper and

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Speaker 6: render every single unit in that skyscraper either uninhabitable or uninvestable,

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Speaker 6: which is the insurance market problem where we're about to

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Speaker 6: face around the world too, they look to who's the

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Speaker 6: flying It's Donald Trump. Iran was a problem for them,

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Speaker 6: but it wasn't a crisis. Trump made it into a crisis.

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Speaker 1: Rick Wilson, oh I Junk Fast. Jacob Rubashkin is an

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Speaker 1: analyst and reporter for Inside Elections. Welcome, Welcome, Jacob.

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Speaker 5: Voters are voting, Molly. It's a good time to be

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Speaker 5: on Fast Politics.

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Speaker 1: That's right. And first we're going to talk about Illinois

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Speaker 1: because yesterday a lot of stuff happened. It was a

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Speaker 1: small primary. There's so few places that we can get

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Speaker 1: data that aren't polls, that are really just like this

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Speaker 1: is what people actually did. So primary is well in

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Speaker 1: per measures because the only specific kinds of people vote

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Speaker 1: in primaries, so it's harder to extrapolate some of that data.

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Speaker 1: There's still a lot you could learn from primaries. So

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Speaker 1: I want you to talk us through Illinois. We had

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Speaker 1: some congressional primers. We had the Dick Durban Senate seat,

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Speaker 1: which was hotly contested, and I want you to first

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Speaker 1: start with the Dick Durban Senate seat.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, so this is you know, Dick Durbin been in

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Speaker 8: the Senate for a very long time in Democratic leadership,

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Speaker 8: not running for re election, and we had a very

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Speaker 8: competitive three person race between Congressman Roger Christian Morthy, the

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Speaker 8: Lieutenant Governor Juliana Stratton, and Congresswoman Robin Kelly.

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Speaker 5: And from the get go, I think.

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Speaker 8: All three of these people are are credible contenders, right,

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Speaker 8: Juliana Stratton obviously the lieutenant governor elected on the ticket

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Speaker 8: with JB.

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Speaker 5: Pritzker.

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Speaker 8: You had Roger Christian Morthy, who's represented a suburban seat

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Speaker 8: in the middle kind of geographically of the state with

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Speaker 8: kind of Chicago suburbs since twenty sixteen. And Robin Kelly,

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Speaker 8: who has represented kind of the south side of Chicago

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Speaker 8: and suburbs south of Chicago for about a decade and

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Speaker 8: a half as well, all you know, very serious people.

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Speaker 8: The Lieutenant governor ended up winning Juliana Stratton, which I

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Speaker 8: would qualify as as kind of a minor to major upset,

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Speaker 8: just given that she based such a severe financial disadvantage

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Speaker 8: in that race against Roger Christian Morphy, who you know.

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Speaker 8: This is a guy who has been running for Senate

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Speaker 8: essentially since he got elected to the House back in

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Speaker 8: twenty sixteen. He had stockpiled twenty million dollars in cold

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Speaker 8: hard campaign cash. I'm not talking super PACs, I'm not

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Speaker 8: talking outside groups, twenty million in his account, and then

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Speaker 8: he raised another twelve million last year. So he was

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Speaker 8: a juggernaut and Stratton got out spent almost ten to one.

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Speaker 8: But I was able to pull off a win, and

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Speaker 8: not even a particularly narrow win. I think she ended

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Speaker 8: up winning by seven points. She didn't lead in a

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Speaker 8: single poll until a month ago. I went back and

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Speaker 8: I looked Roger led basically in every single poll taken

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Speaker 8: of this race, be it by his campaign, by Stratton's campaign,

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Speaker 8: or her allies or outside groups, up until February eighteenth, essentially,

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Speaker 8: and that's when her super pac started spending money.

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Speaker 5: The gap closed, and she ended up winning.

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Speaker 8: She'll be the fifth black woman elected to the United

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Speaker 8: States Senate when she wins this fall, the sixth to serve.

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Speaker 5: And that's the tale of the tape.

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Speaker 1: There was another candidate was sort of added into the

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Speaker 1: mix as a way, like this is an Illinois dirty

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Speaker 1: trick fiasco, right, They put in another candidate to try

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Speaker 1: to split her some of her.

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Speaker 8: I mean, I don't know if that's necessarily fair to

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Speaker 8: Robin Kelly, who is very you know, Robin Kelly is

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Speaker 8: a really established, credible political figure.

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Speaker 1: In her own right.

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Speaker 8: You know, she, like I said, she is represented that

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Speaker 8: part of Chicago for fourteen plus year. She won in

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Speaker 8: a special election. She was the former state party chairwoman.

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Speaker 8: What I'll say is is, if anything, there was immense

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Speaker 8: pressure on her to drop out from Team Pritzker. Now,

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Speaker 8: Kelly and Pritzker don't get along, and there's some kind

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Speaker 8: of local, state level Illinois politics at play here that

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Speaker 8: the governor and Robin Kelly don't necessarily see eye to eye,

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Speaker 8: and the governor's team put pressure on a lot of

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Speaker 8: other people to stay out of the race, so most

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Speaker 8: notably Lauren Underwood, who is another black woman who was

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Speaker 8: considering this race. The congresswoman from the fourteenth district, very

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Speaker 8: much considered a rising star, thought seriously about running, and

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Speaker 8: ultimately decided not to. And everyone kind of figured that

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Speaker 8: the Pritzker machine had kept her out of the race.

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Speaker 8: And Robin Kelly, you know, toward the end of her career,

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Speaker 8: she's in her seventies, and I think she just decided

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Speaker 8: this was the time to go for it. And there

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Speaker 8: was a lot of consternation that her being in the

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Speaker 8: race was going to prevent Stratton from overtaking. Krishna Morphy

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Speaker 8: ultimately unfounded. It's not so much that like Raga or

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Speaker 8: his people got Kelly to run as a spoiler, so

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Speaker 8: much as sometimes people have their own kind of incentives

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Speaker 8: and they make decisions not based on anyone else's calculus.

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Speaker 1: But there was a lot of adside spending. Yes, so

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Speaker 1: talk US through APAC got involved crypto.

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Speaker 8: So APAC didn't get involved in the Senate race. They

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Speaker 8: stayed out of the Senate race. They got involved in

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Speaker 8: the House right, but fair Shake, which is the big

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Speaker 8: cryptocurrency group. They came in late that they spent about

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Speaker 8: ten million dollars on anti Stratton ads. It's hard to

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Speaker 8: really understand the thinking behind there. I think the theory

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Speaker 8: that I'm coming around to is that when you have

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Speaker 8: kind of outside groups and interests that have so much money,

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Speaker 8: they're looking for ways to spend it that don't necessarily

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Speaker 8: align with kind of the effect or the marginal kind

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Speaker 8: of benefit of those additional dollars politically.

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Speaker 5: Which is to say, if Stratton was.

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Speaker 8: Going to lose, the money was not going to be

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Speaker 8: the thing that took Stratton from winning to losing. Right,

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Speaker 8: the marginal benefit of every additional dollar in that race

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Speaker 8: was very small because Christian Morthy was already spending so

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Speaker 8: much more than her. It's like, if he couldn't win

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Speaker 8: with thirty million dollars of his own money, what difference

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Speaker 8: would an additional ten million do? So I think the

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Speaker 8: reason why Crypto went in was because they thought if

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Speaker 8: Roger won, he would be an ally for them and

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Speaker 8: he would feel perhaps even indebted to them for helping,

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Speaker 8: you know, get him across the finish line. Ultimately backfires

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Speaker 8: and it didn't work, and that was ten million dollars

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Speaker 8: that It's not as if they're they're hurting for cash elsewhere,

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Speaker 8: but you know, you never want to spend that kind

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Speaker 8: of that kind of sum and have it not work

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Speaker 8: out for you.

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Speaker 1: When we talk about this, isn't a parallel here between

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Speaker 1: Crypto getting involved and Elon Musk during that Wisconsin judge

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Speaker 1: ship race where he came in, he spent, spent, fen spent.

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Speaker 8: There is a parallel to the extent that sometimes having

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Speaker 8: the bigger checkbook is not enough to win an election.

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Speaker 8: I think a lot of the time it is, and

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Speaker 8: it's always good to keep in perspective kind of the

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Speaker 8: role and impact that money has in politics.

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Speaker 5: But ultimately, if voters.

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Speaker 8: Don't like what you're selling, no amount of money is

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Speaker 8: going to be able to change that, especially if they

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Speaker 8: have another option that they do.

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Speaker 5: Like Stratton didn't.

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Speaker 8: Need to go dollar for dollar against Roger. She didn't

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Speaker 8: even need to go half, right, I mean, even with

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Speaker 8: the super pack, pro Stratton money is about seven or

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Speaker 8: eight million, and pro Roger or anti Stratton money was

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Speaker 8: about thirty to thirty five million, So we're talking about

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Speaker 8: like a five to one disparity here.

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Speaker 5: And that's all it took.

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Speaker 8: So I really think you know to the scent that

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Speaker 8: there's a parallel, It's like, yeah, Elon Musk could have

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Speaker 8: spent one hundred million dollars on Brad Schimmel in that race,

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Speaker 8: and not just twenty million in Wisconsin, and I'm not

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Speaker 8: sure that it would have made any more difference. I

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Speaker 8: think if voters decide that they're not going to vote

654
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Speaker 8: for you, they want to vote for the alternative, it

655
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Speaker 8: gets to a point where the money just doesn't make

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Speaker 8: a difference, especially when the money is all about, you know,

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Speaker 8: TV ads. And that's the other thing that I'll mention here,

658
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Speaker 8: at the risk of getting too much in the weeds.

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Speaker 1: Now we love it.

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Speaker 8: These big out side groups by and large subscribe to

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Speaker 8: a strategy that is entirely dependent on broadcast TV advertising

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Speaker 8: because that is the sledgehammer of electioneering, right.

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Speaker 5: It's still the best way.

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Speaker 8: To reach the most people for the most cost efficient way,

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Speaker 8: and so it's very attractive, especially if you don't have

666
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Speaker 8: any sort of grass roots operation, to just throw as

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Speaker 8: much money on TV as possible. But that's all kind

668
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Speaker 8: of persuasion, right, that's all trying to get people to

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Speaker 8: vote for your person, not like the other person. And

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Speaker 8: they're diminishing marginal returns there. If they had spent ten

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Speaker 8: million dollars on field organizing, maybe you know, on GOTV efforts,

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Speaker 8: on hiring paid canvassers to walk the streets to drive

673
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Speaker 8: people to polls, that kind of thing, maybe there would

674
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Speaker 8: have been a different result. But I really do think

675
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Speaker 8: what we're seeing here is when people have so much

676
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Speaker 8: money that they don't know what to do with it,

677
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Speaker 8: they throw it all on TV, and it doesn't always work.

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Speaker 8: I mean, we saw it in New Jersey as well,

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Speaker 8: where you know, the APAC kind of essentially funneled money

680
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Speaker 8: into the Lieutenant Governor's Association to back the Lieutenant governor

681
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Speaker 8: in that campaign, and they just threw it all up

682
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Speaker 8: on New York TV. Right, They spent two million dollars

683
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Speaker 8: on broadcast TV in New York, which is big and

684
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Speaker 8: it's splashy and it gets everyone's attention. Didn't help her,

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Speaker 8: you know, do better than third place and a distant

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Speaker 8: third of that. If they had put that money on

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Speaker 8: the ground, maybe it would have been a little bit different.

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Speaker 8: But I do think there is a tendency to go

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Speaker 8: for the biggest, splashiest, most kind of blunt instrument when

690
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Speaker 8: when you're dealing with these kinds of sums of money

691
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Speaker 8: that can be counterproductive.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about this Bliss congressional race because there was

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Speaker 1: a lot of a pack in that race.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, to be to our due diligence here, right.

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Speaker 8: So the way that a lot of this money kind

696
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Speaker 8: of came into the system is not specifically through the

697
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,439
Speaker 8: APAX super pac which is called United Democracy Project. They

698
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 8: got involved in one of the other House races, But

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Speaker 8: by and large, what we saw happened was these new

700
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 8: superpacks pop up across the state and the various districts

701
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Speaker 8: with very kind of bland, mundane names elect Chicago Women,

702
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 8: Chicago Aggressive Partnership, things like that. At the beginning, everyone

703
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 8: kind of assumed were conduits for APEC money. That's not

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Speaker 8: an assertion that APEX has ever disputed, And I think

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Speaker 8: as we continue to get more information from these groups

706
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Speaker 8: in terms of their filings, there's a tremendous amount of

707
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 8: overlap in terms of the donors and the vendors that

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Speaker 8: they use. So there's a lot of evidence pointing in

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Speaker 8: that direction. This race, in particular, this is kind of

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Speaker 8: a Evanston area congressional district in kind of the Chicago suburbs,

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Speaker 8: also includes part of Chicago. Longtime Congresswoman Jan Schakowski, who

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Speaker 8: is kind of one of the most venerable members of

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Speaker 8: kind of the old guard of Democratic Progressives. I mean,

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Speaker 8: I don't know if they always call themselves that, but

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Speaker 8: you know, very much a prominent member of the House

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Speaker 8: Democratic Caucus. She was retiring and there was a crowded

717
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Speaker 8: field to replace her. So the winner, Daniel Biss, was

718
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Speaker 8: the mayor of Evanston. And there's a way of looking

719
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Speaker 8: at this race where you just say, all right, yeah,

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Speaker 8: the mayor of Evanston, like the major city in the district,

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Speaker 8: who was endorsed by the outgoing incumbent, won the race.

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Speaker 8: And like from a top line perspective, if you just

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Speaker 8: look at that, it's.

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Speaker 1: Like it doesn't seem like coun onto it of in

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Speaker 1: any which way exactly.

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Speaker 8: But everything else about this race was was far more combustible.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 8: So you've got kat Abougazala, who you know, was a

729
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Speaker 8: very well known figure on Twitter and on blue Sky

730
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Speaker 8: and on TikTok kind of as a journalist influencer, you know,

731
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Speaker 8: who moved to Chicago relatively recently and announced that she

732
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 8: was going to run against Schaikowski and leveraged her online

733
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Speaker 8: platform to do fundraising and kind of run in somewhat

734
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Speaker 8: of an unorthodox campaign, especially at the beginning, and Kat

735
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Speaker 8: is very critical of Israel. She comes from a Palestinian family,

736
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Speaker 8: you know, and that was kind of central to her

737
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Speaker 8: message in a lot of ways. That attracted both support

738
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Speaker 8: and you know, negative attention from groups like APAC. And

739
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Speaker 8: then you had Daniel Biss who was the mayor, who

740
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Speaker 8: is from an Israeli family, right his mother is an

741
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Speaker 8: Israeli immigrant. Still her has I don't know if he

742
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 8: still does, but has vacationed in Israel. Like had kind

743
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Speaker 8: of a more for the Democratic Party, like a middle

744
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Speaker 8: of the road record on Israel. But he said that

745
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Speaker 8: he was open to conditioning AID and that was a

746
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Speaker 8: too far of a bridge for a PAC and so.

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Speaker 5: They looked for another.

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Speaker 1: Candidate, Like every want to say, like his israelly. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying like, let's not let the perfect be

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Speaker 1: the enemy of the good, all right, yes, go on.

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Speaker 8: Well it goes back to this question of like the

752
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Speaker 8: preference for the blunt instrument, because it's the same thing

753
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Speaker 8: we saw in New Jersey eleven. He had Tom Alanowski,

754
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Speaker 8: who granted not Israeli, you know, a Polish immigrant, but

755
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Speaker 8: similar to Daniel Biss very middle of the road in

756
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Speaker 8: terms of the Democratic Party's position on Israel, especially these days,

757
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Speaker 8: and that was not good enough, and so Apak went

758
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 8: big for one of his opponents and ended up getting

759
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Speaker 8: somebody who really was a critic of Israel elected to

760
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Speaker 8: Congress instead. So what APEC did in this race is

761
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Speaker 8: they found another candidate who was in the race, Senator

762
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Speaker 8: Laura Fine, was more favorable on their issues, and so

763
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Speaker 8: they put a bunch of money behind her, and those

764
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Speaker 8: three candidates this a Boogazala and Fine make up kind

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Speaker 8: of the top tier. Now, the other thing you've got

766
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Speaker 8: going on is you've got thirteen other candidates running here,

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Speaker 8: including you know, real people state senators and representatives and

768
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Speaker 8: Cook County commissioners like Kevin Morrison and Bushra Amawala, who

769
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Speaker 8: was a prominent Skokie school board member who was one

770
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Speaker 8: of the first Gen Z people elected to elected office

771
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Speaker 8: anywhere and has a bit of a following. And so

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Speaker 8: you've got this kind of fractured field. These three big

773
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Speaker 8: candidates and the super PACs that are probably you know,

774
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Speaker 8: APAC money start off by boosting Fine and they just

775
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Speaker 8: can't get her into first place. So they start attacking this, say,

776
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Speaker 8: all right, if we can't get Fine into first place,

777
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Speaker 8: we'll start attacking this. That doesn't really work, and if anything,

778
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 8: they see Cats start to creep up, so then they

779
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 8: start attacking Cat, and that doesn't really stop Kat's momentum either.

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Speaker 5: So finally, as kind of.

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Speaker 8: This last ditch desperation, they start running positive ads about Bushra,

782
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Speaker 8: the Skokie School board member who is also a critic

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Speaker 8: of Israel, also a progressive, in an attempt essentially to

784
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Speaker 8: siphon votes away from Kat, Kat specifically and then perhaps

785
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Speaker 8: Biss as well and prevent Kat from winning. And maybe

786
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Speaker 8: you know, give Laurifying a kind of backdoor entry to

787
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Speaker 8: first place there and that you know, ruffled a lot

788
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Speaker 8: of feathers, and it didn't work. And so again you

789
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 8: end up kind of with the most obvious outcome, which

790
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Speaker 8: is that Biss won the primary, but with a lot

791
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Speaker 8: of sound and fury and a lot of really kind

792
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Speaker 8: of frayed tensions.

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Speaker 1: And millions and millions and millions of dollars. Just squanders a.

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Speaker 5: Lot of money, a lot of money.

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Speaker 1: So what can we learn from this besides the fact

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Speaker 1: that Pritzker is all of our daddies.

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Speaker 8: Now, well, look, I think Pritzker certainly comes out of this.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he is the man right like. It could

799
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Speaker 1: not have gone better for him.

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Speaker 8: He's feeling very good. He got his lieutenant governor through

801
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Speaker 8: this Senate race. You know, he was the money in

802
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 8: that super pack that gave her the boost she needed

803
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Speaker 8: a month out from election day to close that gap.

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Speaker 8: You know, he got his preferred candidate and the gubernatorial race,

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Speaker 8: Darren Bailey, who he beat by a healthy margin four

806
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 8: years ago, and you know he gets to set himself

807
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 8: up for a big win in November and then a

808
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Speaker 8: run for president.

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Speaker 1: By the way, talk about Darren Bailey, you have thirty

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Speaker 1: seconds to talk about it.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, I you know, I don't want to

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Speaker 8: belabor the point too much. Darren Bailey, he's very maga.

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Speaker 8: He comes from downstate Illinois. He's very popular downstate Illinois,

814
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Speaker 8: but he really has very little purchase up north in

815
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Speaker 8: the population centers in Cook County by Chicago and the

816
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Speaker 8: suburbs there. He was the twenty twenty two nominee. Pritzker

817
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Speaker 8: spent a lot of money in that twenty twenty two

818
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Speaker 8: Prime Republican primary to make sure that Darren Bailey was

819
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Speaker 8: the nominee instead of another guy, Richard Irvin, who was

820
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Speaker 8: a more moderate black mayor of Aurora, which is, you know,

821
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Speaker 8: a more democratic leaning town. Pritzker wanted to make sure

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Speaker 8: the nominee was Bailey, not Irvin.

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Speaker 5: He got Bailey.

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Speaker 8: He beat him by low double digits in a race

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Speaker 8: that didn't end up being competitive.

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Speaker 5: That's Darren Bailey.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what can we learn from this? You have fifty seconds,

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Speaker 1: Goalt fifty seconds.

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Speaker 5: Okay.

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Speaker 8: Money matters, and when your opponents don't have the resources

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Speaker 8: to compete, money can be incredibly important. We saw that

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Speaker 8: in two of the congressional races where APAC and Cryptocurrency

833
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Speaker 8: and AI were able to get their candidates across.

834
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Speaker 5: So you know, we saw them.

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Speaker 8: In the second district, County Commissioner Donna Miller beat Jesse

836
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Speaker 8: Jackson Junior in that primary. She was the candidate backed

837
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Speaker 8: by APAK. The progressive candidate in that race never really

838
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Speaker 8: caught fire and placed in third. And then in the

839
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Speaker 8: eighth district, Melissa Bean, who's a former congresswoman, also backed

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Speaker 8: by APAC, Crypto and AI. She was able to win

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Speaker 8: against a fractured field. Progressives need to learn how to

842
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 8: consolidate otherwise they're not going to get their people elected

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00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 8: when there's kind of a clear alternative, like a Melissa

844
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Speaker 8: Bean or Donna Miller. Kat got twenty six percent, which

845
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,479
Speaker 8: was a very strong showing, but there were a number

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Speaker 8: of other progressives in that race who got a lot less.

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Speaker 8: Perhaps if they weren't in the race, she might have

848
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Speaker 8: won very much the case in the eighth district where

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Speaker 8: Melissa Bean one she only beat the progressive candidate in

850
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Speaker 8: that race by a couple of points. There were a

851
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Speaker 8: number of other candidates in that race who took away

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Speaker 8: vote that probably would have gone to that man, Jeanaide Ahmed.

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Speaker 8: That's kind of the big story here. Like the money matters,

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Speaker 8: it's not the be all, end all, and if you

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00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 8: can get your own message out, you can beat the

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Speaker 8: money like Stratton did, but there's a threshold of advertising

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Speaker 8: and of political support you have to achieve if you

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Speaker 8: want to pull off the upset.

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Speaker 1: Jacob Jacob, Jacob, thank you, thank you, thank you. Michael

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Speaker 1: Waldman is President and CEO of the Brennan Center for

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Speaker 1: Justice at NYU School of Law. Michael Walman, Hi Molly

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Speaker 1: So headed the Brandon Center for Justice, and you are

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Speaker 1: here to talk about the say that, so let's talk

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Speaker 1: about this. Say that.

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Speaker 7: A lot of people.

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Speaker 9: Are talking about it a lot, because that's exactly what

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Speaker 9: the senators do.

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Speaker 7: I me in Washington, D C.

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Speaker 9: This week, because the Save Act is now actually being

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Speaker 9: considered on the Senate floor.

871
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Speaker 7: We've talked about this.

872
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Speaker 9: It's the really egregious voting restriction bill that would make

873
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Speaker 9: it so that at least twenty one million people wouldn't

874
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Speaker 9: have the ready access to the documents they would need

875
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 9: to register, and a lot more. They're stuffing it with

876
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 9: bad ideas as they go along. Congress whenever throughout the

877
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 9: country's history, whenever it has gotten involved in voting, which

878
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Speaker 9: is not that often, it has expanded the right to

879
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Speaker 9: vote or fought against abuse of power. This would be

880
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Speaker 9: the first time in the country's history that I know

881
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Speaker 9: of that Congress would actually pull things back and restrict

882
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Speaker 9: the right to vote.

883
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Speaker 7: Trump has been demanding it.

884
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Speaker 9: The Republicans, some of them not terribly enthusiastically and others

885
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 9: very enthusiastically, are going along and they've brought it up

886
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 9: to the Senate floor, and so now the Democrats are

887
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 9: going to have to oppose it. They're talking about it

888
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 9: as a talking filibuster. It's not really clear everybody, even

889
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 9: in Washington, they can't quite define for me what's the

890
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 9: difference between what's going on today and a talking filibuster.

891
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 9: But basically, the Democrats have to hold the floor, have

892
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Speaker 9: to be ready to be their day and even into

893
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 9: the night, and it probably won't pass. But crazy stuff

894
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Speaker 9: happens at two in the morning.

895
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Speaker 1: So let's talk about this. This is a bilm that

896
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Speaker 1: will federalize elections, which in itself is technically against a constitution.

897
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Speaker 1: So yeah, talk us through.

898
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Speaker 9: That Congress has an appropriate role in passing national voting laws.

899
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Speaker 9: You know, we've been talking about the fact when Trump

900
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,879
Speaker 9: says he wants to do these executive orders and other

901
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 9: things where he personally takes control, he can't do that.

902
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 9: States run elections, But Congress can and has passed good

903
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Speaker 9: voting bills like the John Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act

904
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Speaker 9: or the Freedom to Vote Act.

905
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Speaker 7: There's a bad voting bill.

906
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Speaker 9: So it's not that it's unconstitutional, but it would set

907
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 9: it would establish for the first time a national requirement

908
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Speaker 9: that you produce a passport, a birth certificate to register

909
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,479
Speaker 9: to vote in every state. Basically make it very hard

910
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Speaker 9: to have automatic voter registration, make it very hard to

911
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 9: do voter registration electronically online or by mail, which is

912
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Speaker 9: how a lot of people do it. It would make it

913
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Speaker 9: very hard to have voter registration drive. And if they

914
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Speaker 9: change the bill as they say they're going to, it

915
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Speaker 9: would basically end vote by mail in the United States.

916
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 9: All these are just really dreadful ideas that the federal

917
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Speaker 9: government would now impose on all fifty states.

918
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Speaker 1: It has gone to a talking filibuster basically, basically, but

919
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Speaker 1: Murkowski is a no go, Collins is a no go. Right, Yeah,

920
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 1: there are a.

921
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Speaker 9: Lot of senors who don't want to mess with their

922
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Speaker 9: own rules.

923
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Speaker 7: Or who really uncomfortable about the bill.

924
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Speaker 9: And you might have seen, because I know it's the

925
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Speaker 9: first thing you read in the morning. The Wall Street

926
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Speaker 9: Journal editorial page today came out against the bills. A

927
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Speaker 9: lot of Republicans who think it's a bad idea, under

928
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Speaker 9: a filbuster, under the way the Senate operates now, for

929
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Speaker 9: better or worse, And I think as a general matter,

930
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Speaker 9: for worse, you need fifty votes to pass a bill,

931
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Speaker 9: but you need sixty votes.

932
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Speaker 7: To end debate.

933
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Speaker 1: Okay, So Susan Collins is a yeah.

934
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Speaker 9: They don't have sixty votes to bring this bill to

935
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Speaker 9: a final vote.

936
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Speaker 1: So Susan Collins is a yes. But Murkowski is a now,

937
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Speaker 1: and tell Us is now.

938
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Speaker 7: I believe that's right. And Fetterman, we don't know.

939
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Speaker 9: He voted with the Democrats to stop the bill from

940
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Speaker 9: moving yesterday.

941
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Speaker 7: That was good.

942
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 9: But the Democrats, Schumer, I was with him yesterday. They

943
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Speaker 9: say they're fighting this all the way, and so there

944
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Speaker 9: aren't sixty votes to get what's called cloture and overcome.

945
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Speaker 9: In this case, it would be a real talking filibuster.

946
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Speaker 9: I'm against the filibuster. I've been we at the Brandon Center,

947
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 9: we've been very consistent on this. We think it's a

948
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Speaker 9: bad thing generally speaking for the country. It should be

949
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 9: reformed at least or or I would say abolished. But

950
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Speaker 9: as long as it's there, this is exactly what it

951
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Speaker 9: should be used for, which is to stop an anti

952
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Speaker 9: voter bill.

953
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Speaker 1: By the way, all voting in Alaska is by mail,

954
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Speaker 1: all of it.

955
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Speaker 9: A lot of the states in the western part of

956
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Speaker 9: the United States do it that way, California, Alaska.

957
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Speaker 1: If you end voting by mail, did people in Alaska

958
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Speaker 1: just not get to vote anymore, like, how does that work?

959
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Speaker 7: They would make them go to a polling place to

960
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Speaker 7: show their driver's license, that sort of thing.

961
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Speaker 9: If they changed the bill the way Trump wants them to,

962
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Speaker 9: and I think the way the Republicans are likely to,

963
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Speaker 9: you know, as early as today, to really target the

964
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Speaker 9: vote by mail. But apparently when this was brought up

965
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Speaker 9: in the Senate caucus, a number of senators said, you know,

966
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Speaker 9: this is how our voters vote.

967
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Speaker 7: The part is an impact of all of this is

968
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Speaker 7: not clear, right.

969
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Speaker 1: And that's another thing I want to talk about, which

970
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Speaker 1: is so Trump has decided that this is the only

971
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Speaker 1: way he's not going to get just obliterated in the midterms.

972
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Speaker 9: The only reason we have to think that, the only

973
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Speaker 9: way we can surmise that is he says it out loud,

974
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Speaker 9: over and over.

975
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Speaker 7: Yeah.

976
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Speaker 1: No, I'm aware.

977
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Speaker 7: He's not the only one. Mike who we've worked with

978
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Speaker 7: Mike Lee before on other.

979
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Speaker 1: Things when he was normal.

980
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Speaker 7: He used to have a very normal Senate role, or

981
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Speaker 7: more than normal.

982
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:12,240
Speaker 9: He was pretty principal on a number of constitutional issues

983
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Speaker 9: and a completely wacko online persona. And they've unfortunately merged

984
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Speaker 9: more lately than would be I think advisable but he

985
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 9: posted a chart which I don't know if I believe

986
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Speaker 9: it or not, but it was a chart showing the

987
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 9: polymarket says the Democrats are likely to win the Senate,

988
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 9: and he said, if you don't want this to happen,

989
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 9: we have to pass this bill like this is the

990
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Speaker 9: purpose of this bill is to help their Republicans, is.

991
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Speaker 7: Literally what he put in writing.

992
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 9: So they're not pretending a ton that it's for the

993
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:42,720
Speaker 9: noble good of the common people.

994
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: Yes, but there is the theory of the case that

995
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: Trump's people do not necessarily have passports. So talk us

996
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: through that.

997
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 9: Right, So the part Trump and the number of these

998
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 9: other people think, oh, this is good for the Republicans,

999
00:51:56,560 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 9: But given the way electoral coalitions and voting patterns have

1000
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 9: shifted in recent years, it's not clear particularly who it helps.

1001
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 9: And in some states we think it helps Democrats more.

1002
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 9: In some states probably it helps Republicans more. But to

1003
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 9: give you one example, you know half of all Americans

1004
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 9: don't have a passport. How do they summer in France

1005
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 9: if they don't have a passport, Well, they're not traveling internationally.

1006
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 9: And the state with the highest concentration of people with passports,

1007
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 9: I believe is New Jersey, the state with the lowest

1008
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 9: concentration West Virginia. So and it's a lot of the

1009
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 9: southern states, a lot of the poorer states are places

1010
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Speaker 9: that people don't actually have access to this stuff. So

1011
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 9: that's another reason for the hesitancy, for the lack of

1012
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 9: genuine enthusiasm, and even the divisions within the Republicans.

1013
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: So the House is fixing the Save Act bill because

1014
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: they had passed a bill that wasn't exactly what Donald

1015
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: Trump wanted, right, So I.

1016
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Speaker 9: Think there's like a lot of interesting to some procedural

1017
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 9: subtleties here, which is that to get this bill to

1018
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 9: the floor of the Senate, they had to take a

1019
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 9: bill that had already been passed by the House of

1020
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 9: Representatives to avoid it going to a committee. And they

1021
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 9: took a bill that wasn't actually the Save Act and

1022
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 9: they took out the inner guts of it and put

1023
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 9: the Save Act inside that other bill. That's how it

1024
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 9: happens sometimes, so the House doesn't have to fix it

1025
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 9: the Senate. In order to keep the Democrats from putting

1026
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 9: amendments up, John Thune, the Senate majority leader, has what

1027
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 9: they call filled the Treaty he's put forward amendments that

1028
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 9: would do the stuff Trump wants. And what they can

1029
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 9: do is they can just vote those amendments and put

1030
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 9: them in. I don't know if it's going to get

1031
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 9: to that. And what the Republicans are really afraid of

1032
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 9: in the way this debate plays out in the Senate

1033
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 9: and the Democrats are kind of they're not happy about it,

1034
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 9: but they wouldn't mind. This part is if it gets

1035
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 9: really out of control, then that you're basically handing control

1036
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 9: of the floor to the opponents. They could talk about

1037
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 9: whatever they want. There's no obligation that they talk just

1038
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 9: about the Save Act. They're doing it now where each

1039
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 9: senator has a certain amount of time, and we're actually

1040
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 9: you have a tally sheet. We're keeping track of how

1041
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 9: many minutes each center is spoken and all that kind

1042
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 9: of stuff. But we're finding our air LBJ all our

1043
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 9: twenty something staff or have these tally sheets. But in

1044
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 9: a real filibuster, if they're really serious about provoking a

1045
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 9: real tough and filibuster, the Democrats can bring up healthcare.

1046
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 7: They can propose healthcare bills, they can read the Epstein

1047
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 7: files on them.

1048
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: Well, that's what I was about to say.

1049
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 7: They can propose their own voting bills.

1050
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:24,879
Speaker 1: Right.

1051
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 9: You know, if you think about the filibusters that took

1052
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 9: place during say the Civil Rights movement, you know, people

1053
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,879
Speaker 9: were reading the phone book just to keep the clock going.

1054
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 9: So I don't think they want that. And the most

1055
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 9: scarce commodity in Congress and then the Senate, well is

1056
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 9: money can't write and then stock tips. But other than that,

1057
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 9: it's time every week that they spend on this. They're

1058
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Speaker 9: not confirming judges.

1059
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:54,399
Speaker 1: You could shut down the United States Congress until the

1060
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:56,280
Speaker 1: mid terms with this, if.

1061
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 9: The Democrats chose to, they would have to pull a

1062
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 9: lot of all nighters, but they but then it's a

1063
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Speaker 9: question of who gets more exhausted quicker, because there's something

1064
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 9: called a quorum call. If it was a real filibuster,

1065
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Speaker 9: which it's not really, it's still kind of negotiated rules

1066
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Speaker 9: of war. Right now, at three in the morning, Senator

1067
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Speaker 9: Alex Padilla of California, who's leading to fight for the Democrats,

1068
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Speaker 9: he could say, I propose the absence of a quorum,

1069
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Speaker 9: And what that would mean is all the Republicans and

1070
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Speaker 9: all the Democrats would have to get rested out of

1071
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Speaker 9: bed and come into the chamber and say present, and he.

1072
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Speaker 1: Could do that as many times as he wants.

1073
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Speaker 9: Yeah, and there have been tons, you know, in recent

1074
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Speaker 9: decades where there were legislation, including on campaign finance reform

1075
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Speaker 9: about twenty years ago, where people had.

1076
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Speaker 7: To have cots out in the hallway.

1077
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Speaker 9: These senators who are not, you know, going to raves

1078
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:47,720
Speaker 9: most nights, they're getting into bed because they're they're older

1079
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 9: than dirt.

1080
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Speaker 7: Yeah, they're older, older than dirt, older than dirt. They

1081
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Speaker 7: have that wisdom. They're wives.

1082
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Speaker 9: So it can be interesting, but it can be kind

1083
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 9: of a mess. But the real question is also the

1084
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Speaker 9: New York Times, why are they doing this?

1085
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Speaker 1: Right?

1086
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Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so talk about the New York Times.

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Speaker 7: Well, the New York Times had a poll.

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Speaker 9: It's a Santa pol and you know, the New York

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Speaker 9: Times poll is really top notch, top regarded among poles

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Speaker 9: these days. And it asked people what issue do you

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Speaker 9: think is the most important facing the country? And you know,

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Speaker 9: whatever it was, inflation, war or the economy, whatever it was,

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Speaker 9: they asked election integrity, which is the code word for

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Speaker 9: this bill. Right, do you know what the percentage of

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Speaker 9: people who said this bill election integrity should.

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Speaker 7: Be the top priority zero zero. I've never seen I've

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Speaker 7: been reading polls for many years. I've never seen zero.

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Speaker 9: Literally, not a single person apparently who responded to the

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Speaker 9: polls said it should be this. And so, with everything

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Speaker 9: else that's going on, and the Republicans electoral strategy being

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Speaker 9: in a pack about the economy or gas prices, is

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Speaker 9: this really what they want to spend their time on.

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Speaker 9: Maybe they don't have anything else to talk about, but

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Speaker 9: it seems implausible.

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Speaker 1: We have election integrity, whatever that means. Donald Trump does.

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Speaker 7: Not what isn't this, But that's that's what they call it, right.

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Speaker 1: That's what they're he's calling it. It's not popular, but

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Speaker 1: he is hoping that it will somehow make it so

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Speaker 1: he can cheat elections. It sounds like Democrats understand the

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Speaker 1: importance of not letting this fucking thing pass, so that

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Speaker 1: means just filibus during for the rest of the summer

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Speaker 1: until October.

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Speaker 9: Who knows, but I have a feeling, I mean a

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Speaker 9: lot of this is just reading Politico and other political

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Speaker 9: cheat sheets because so much of the actions taking place

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Speaker 9: behind the closed doors of the Republican caucus where they're

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Speaker 9: at each other's throats. On this right, I think John

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Speaker 9: fun needs to show that he's damgabase and Trump that

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Speaker 9: he's trying, and people said this is a rip the

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Speaker 9: band aid off strategy. If oh, yeah, you want you

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Speaker 9: want this brought to the Santa floor, Okay, We're going

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Speaker 9: to do that for the next two weeks, and you see,

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Speaker 9: you think this is going to lead to some AVALANEI

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Speaker 9: of public demand that they passed this.

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Speaker 7: We'll see, And so I think there's an assumption that.

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Speaker 9: You know, they'll do this for a while and then

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Speaker 9: two weeks from now, when they've exhausted themselves, perhaps Thoon

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Speaker 9: will call for cloture. That's again saying I want to

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Speaker 9: end debate and will not succeed in getting sixty votes.

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Speaker 7: At that point, they could keep going.

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Speaker 9: Or I think where people think, you know, is more

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Speaker 9: likely is he would pull the bill down and say, well, look,

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Speaker 9: this is the longest debate we've had in years on

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Speaker 9: any topic we tried.

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Speaker 7: There just isn't the votes, you know. But they can

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Speaker 7: always bring it up again later in the year.

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Speaker 9: And the challenge, of course is they could the Democrats

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Speaker 9: will or opponents of the bill will need to be

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Speaker 9: an endless alert. But time is running out, and I

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Speaker 9: don't think they're going to want to do this, you know,

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Speaker 9: in September, and of course the later in the year

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Speaker 9: something like this happens, the less it affects the actual

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Speaker 9: existing election right.

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Speaker 1: It's just like what's going to likely have And I

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Speaker 1: want you to talk about this Voting Rights Act. So

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Speaker 1: we pretty much think that the John Roberts Court is

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Speaker 1: going to kill the Voting Rights Act. Largely.

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Speaker 9: We think that, as you know, the Supreme Court has

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Speaker 9: been taking a slice tammer to the Voting Rights Act.

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Speaker 9: I said this at a press conference on Capitol Hill yesterday.

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Speaker 9: It was sixty one years ago on a Sunday of

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Speaker 9: this week as we're talking that President Linda Johnson went

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Speaker 9: to Congress and called for the enactment of the Voting

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Speaker 9: Rights Act after the Selma March and all the courage

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Speaker 9: and bloodshed that was there. And it was an extraordinarily

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Speaker 9: successful law for a lot of reasons we know. And

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Speaker 9: in twenty thirteen, John Roberts, who has a zest for

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Speaker 9: destroying voting rights for black people and people of color

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Speaker 9: in this country, they did a ruling called Shelby County

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Speaker 9: that got it the most effective part of the law.

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Speaker 7: But there was another part of the law that.

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Speaker 9: Was less useful but was still there, called Section two,

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Speaker 9: and in one decision they really weakened that.

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Speaker 7: And now, in a case called.

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Speaker 9: Kalay versus Louisiana, it looks as though they will either

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Speaker 9: leave it an empty husk, they won't go so far

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Speaker 9: as to declare it illegal or unconstitutional to have avoid

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Speaker 9: Rights Act, but make it unusable, or they may go

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Speaker 9: as far as to do that. There was a in

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Speaker 9: a recent case involving redistricting in a congressional district in

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Speaker 9: New York a couple of weeks ago, where the Supreme

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Speaker 9: Court stepped in to stop a state court from redrawing

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Speaker 9: a district. Justice Alito wrote, basically, it is illegal to

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Speaker 9: consider race in drawing electoral districts at all, and that

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Speaker 9: would make the whole Voiding Rights Act unconstitutional, at least

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Speaker 9: that part of it. So we think that if this happens,

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Speaker 9: there will be a new frenzy of gerrymanagery.

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Speaker 1: I want you to answer this question for me. I've heard,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know if it's right or not, that

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Speaker 1: this might actually not be as bad for Democrats.

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Speaker 9: So, you know, the whole redistricting battled so far this year,

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Speaker 9: which was started when Texas redrew its maps to try

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Speaker 9: to squeeze five seats in for the Democrats, and then

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Speaker 9: California responded with Proposition fifteen, and it's been going on

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Speaker 9: in states all over the country. Virginia's next that has

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Speaker 9: come out to be kind of a wash, or maybe

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Speaker 9: depending on how big the vote is for Democrats, if

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Speaker 9: they have a very good year, then all of these

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Speaker 9: new districts might actually help the Democrats. We don't know

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Speaker 9: that the projection is so far this year, this before

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Speaker 9: this decision that the two parties have kind of fought

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Speaker 9: to a draw. It's not good for voters, but at

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Speaker 9: least in check partisan terms, the parties fought to a draw.

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Speaker 9: The problem with the Kaleid decision, the problem with the

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Speaker 9: Voting Rights Act is it would emphatically, in the first instance,

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Speaker 9: really hurt representation for black communities, especially in the South.

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Speaker 9: Some projections, we don't actually have projections that are this

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Speaker 9: dramatic at our social scientists, but some projections have sid

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Speaker 9: ten to fifteen seats currently held by people of color

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Speaker 9: in Congress could be wiped out. It's also the case,

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Speaker 9: though this gives another opportunity to redraw all these other districts,

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Speaker 9: since right now, what the law does is want to

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Speaker 9: make it really so that say, black voters in some

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Speaker 9: state have the chance to elect somebody they want to elect,

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Speaker 9: which means sort of putting the black voters in one

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Speaker 9: congressional district. The way the Republicans have wanted to try

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Speaker 9: to unpack that crack that as it's called, is move

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Speaker 9: in effect redraw the districts, so some of those Democratic

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Speaker 9: leaning voters are in these other districts. You don't know

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Speaker 9: how it's going to play out, but in the first instance,

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Speaker 9: I think a lot of people think it will help

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Speaker 9: the Republicans, but also more important, I think it will

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Speaker 9: really potentially devastate representation for these communities of color in

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Speaker 9: Southern states especially, and all of which makes it even

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Speaker 9: more important that Congress, when they have a chance, pass

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Speaker 9: a law, which it does have the power to do.

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Speaker 9: And this is why it's not that Congress shouldn't get

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Speaker 9: involved in voting. That Congress can ban partisan gerrymandering like

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Speaker 9: that all over the country every state, Republican states and

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Speaker 9: Democratic states. That was in the Freedom to Vote Act,

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Speaker 9: that was the voting bill that came really close to

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Speaker 9: passing in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 7: And they should do it again.

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Speaker 9: And while that wouldn't be explicitly about race, if the

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Speaker 9: screen court says, oh that we will get the vapors,

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Speaker 9: if you mentioned race, nevertheless, it would make much fairer districts.

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Speaker 9: And given how divide and polarized the parties are around

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Speaker 9: racial makeup, you know it would have It would be

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Speaker 9: a useful thing to help fight discrimination.

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Speaker 1: Michael Wallman, I hope you'll come back.

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Speaker 7: Fight the power.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 7: We at the Brendon Center.

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Speaker 9: We've got a war room with people keeping tallies, watching

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Speaker 9: the vote, monitoring what people are saying. We've got staff

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Speaker 9: answered questions from Congress, responding to arguments.

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Speaker 7: It's we're all in.

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Speaker 9: And I keep telling people here you know this is

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Speaker 9: actually can be fun. They don't seem to be having

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Speaker 9: fun fighting things that shouldn't have to happen. But I

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Speaker 9: do think if people yell loud enough, Congress won't pass this.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 6: No, Rick Wilson, Hello, Molly, isn't that time for our

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Speaker 6: special segment?

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Speaker 1: Yes, let us do our only segment, Rick Wilson, My.

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Speaker 6: Special segment for fuckery this week is what I call

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01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 6: Buyer's Remorse you know when you see these things in

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Speaker 6: the wild and you actually see them happening, of Trump

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Speaker 6: voters figuring it out at long last three presidential elections

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Speaker 6: and over a decade in I have to say, the

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Speaker 6: chan fouda of this is just delicious. If you could

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Speaker 6: say something to President's somebody was going to hear you

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Speaker 6: right now, what would it be?

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Speaker 5: You're a worthless tile of and you voted for him?

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Speaker 7: How many times?

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Speaker 1: Three times? That was my bad? Apparently I'm an idiot,

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Speaker 1: you know what.

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Speaker 6: All those other people that were sort of like holding

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Speaker 6: the line, the Fox News line, it'll be better later,

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Speaker 6: they allrouna watch how quickly that shit falls apart.

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Speaker 1: That's the equivalent of we had to invade.

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Speaker 6: Iraq because Saddam had WMD's, which every Republican voter out

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Speaker 6: there said that until suddenly it stopped.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that was my bad. That was it was.

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Speaker 6: It was, it was your bad.

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Speaker 1: We beg racism over everything else.

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Speaker 6: We can't have that lady with the weird laugh.

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Speaker 1: Good work, everyone, Brovo. That's it for this episode of

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