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Speaker 1: of the year. So I just don't think that you

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Speaker 1: I think what would have what you would have said

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Speaker 1: before or after, before that play even happened. Right, The

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Speaker 1: offense clearly has to get better. It was a problem

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Speaker 1: for a lot of the year. It clearly has to

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Speaker 1: get better. And as a result of that play, you

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Speaker 1: need guys who can finish. The Ravens too many games,

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Speaker 1: once again, specifically on defense out of to slip through

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Speaker 1: their hands. You have to finish. Find guys. I don't

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Speaker 1: know how you do it, but you gotta find guys

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Speaker 1: on the defensive. Have you made your point yet? I haven't.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that. I don't know if you've had

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Speaker 1: come a time when you have to say that sounds

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Speaker 1: like you're hedging your bets here, sounds like you're hedging

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Speaker 1: your bets here. Eventually, my bets. Eventually there comes a

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Speaker 1: day when like the just results aren't happening and you

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Speaker 1: have to make changes. I don't think the Rams are

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Speaker 1: at that point personally where like you just have to say,

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Speaker 1: you know what, there's been enough right and and and

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Speaker 1: one of the hardest decisions in business is to know

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Speaker 1: when the when to hang them up when the end

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Speaker 1: something and begin something new. It's easy to let the

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Speaker 1: ball keep rolling once it's rolling. That's that's the easier

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Speaker 1: decision to make, right. The hard decision is to know

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Speaker 1: when to cut pull the courts. They we'll have a

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Speaker 1: change at the defense coordinator spot pieces retiring, UM, and

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Speaker 1: you know, I fully expect John Harper to do his

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Speaker 1: due diligence in terms of thinking about who that coordinator

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Speaker 1: could be. Whether you see this tweet. We just need

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Speaker 1: to see exactly it could happen at any point. UM.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'll talk obviously internal external like that's what

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Speaker 1: these coaches do. And he's got a great relationship with

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Speaker 1: a lot of coaches around the league, and he's got

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Speaker 1: a really good pulse I think of of what he

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Speaker 1: currently has and also you know what he means what

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Speaker 1: the team needs for sure, UM, And so we'll see

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Speaker 1: what happens there. And then on the offensive coordinator. You know,

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Speaker 1: there's been lots of talk about what's going to happen

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Speaker 1: with Marty and you know, I think it goes back

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Speaker 1: to when you're deciding there. The second half of the season,

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Speaker 1: this offense was good, like it was a good offensive

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Speaker 1: second half, the highest scoring offensive. That's good, right, Yes,

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Speaker 1: I mean that's it's it's good. Um. You know everyone

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Speaker 1: you look at who they're working out, who they're working with,

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Speaker 1: I mean wide receiver the past three games or yeah,

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Speaker 1: two plus games, it's really three because Magnal went down

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Speaker 1: at the very first beginning of that game in Cleveland.

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Speaker 1: The past three games. We're talking about Chris More, who

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Speaker 1: else in camp and Arrow? Yeah, and well in Wallace obviously,

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Speaker 1: right right, I'm saying opposite Wallace, but like and tight end,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about benjam Watson. You didn't have like a

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Speaker 1: true receiving big time anyway. We all know it was

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Speaker 1: the offense hads limitations, right, and was the highest scoring

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Speaker 1: offense in the n f C since we gate. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's pretty darn impressive, right, So, and I know that everyone,

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Speaker 1: you know, we see tweets every five seconds of bring

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Speaker 1: back Kary Kubyack, bringing back Gary Kubyakry Cuback staying in Denver. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I understand the attraction there, um, based on the success

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Speaker 1: that he had during his his one season here in

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Speaker 1: two thousand fourteen, But that was not something that was

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Speaker 1: gonna happen. And let me just say this, I think

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Speaker 1: that the Ravens offense evolved. Um, the argument will be

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Speaker 1: and I think Joe will have a lot of these conversations,

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Speaker 1: and he kind of alluded to it in the locker

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Speaker 1: room on Monday, is that I think he thought that

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Speaker 1: the Ravens opened up the offense a little too late.

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Speaker 1: You know, he said, we played a certain style we

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Speaker 1: tried to play. Basically, we tried to play to our

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Speaker 1: defense and our special teams. Around the year, I had

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Speaker 1: out on the offensive line, and then we finally opened

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Speaker 1: it up late in the year and that's when the

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Speaker 1: offense took off. But we put ourselves kind of behind

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Speaker 1: the eight ball early on because of that strategy, right,

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Speaker 1: and Marty's even talked about that. And then there's games earlier,

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Speaker 1: particularly early in the year, where they just kind of

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Speaker 1: shut her down in the second half when you're up

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Speaker 1: against well, not just in the second half. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think the checkdown approach throughout the game. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think like it was getting the ball out of

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Speaker 1: Joe's hands quickly, don't get Joe hurt, don't get Joe hurt,

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Speaker 1: try to minimize the hits on him, get you know,

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Speaker 1: get rid of it, even if you're not like taking

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Speaker 1: an aggressive approach to pushing the ball up the field. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: But and so then when you look at the offense,

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Speaker 1: you see number twenty seven league and that when you

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Speaker 1: look at it at the end, you're like, right, you

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Speaker 1: have to again, you gotta go through kind of with

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Speaker 1: nuance and look at it with a fine too calm.

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Speaker 1: And I think that once the Ravens did open up

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Speaker 1: the offense, there are a number of play calls that

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Speaker 1: I said, I like, I like that one. I thought

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Speaker 1: Marty called some very good games in the second half

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Speaker 1: of the season. Um, so you know, it's it's not

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Speaker 1: gonna be a popular belief with a lot of lounge listeners,

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Speaker 1: But I think the right move is sticking with Marty.

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Speaker 1: I do. I think that's the right move. Because Joe's

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Speaker 1: had five coordinators in the past six years. Are you

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Speaker 1: going to totally mix it up again? You always have

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Speaker 1: to look at who's the answer. The easy the easy

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Speaker 1: thing is to say, are you hiring who are you hiring? So?

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Speaker 1: And I don't know who that would be. Just as

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Speaker 1: I think there is something to be said for the

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Speaker 1: job that Marty did with the offense given the lack

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Speaker 1: of weapons, given all the injuries. I mean, hey, hey,

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Speaker 1: the Ravens didn't invest munch in the offense in the

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Speaker 1: off season. Then they all got injured, got a bunch

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Speaker 1: of them got injured when you already had a pretty

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Speaker 1: like decimated unit. Uh. And so I think given all that,

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Speaker 1: given how the season started, the job that he did

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Speaker 1: along with Joe down the stretch is admirable. Yeah. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: this will all kind of work itself out over the

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Speaker 1: next couple of of weeks and months. Um. And head

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Speaker 1: coach On Harp was gonna address the media on Thursday

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Speaker 1: at eleven am, UM, so you know, set your calendars

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Speaker 1: for that. Will stream that live so everybody is able

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Speaker 1: to watch that and hear what he has to say. Um.

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Speaker 1: And I'm guessing by that point some of the some

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Speaker 1: of these questions will be answered. Maybe offense coordinator, defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 1: You'll probably have clear answers, um, you know to this question. So, um, look,

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Speaker 1: we always love hearing from you guys, even if even

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Speaker 1: if there's frustration right now. I get it. We've had

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Speaker 1: plenty of frustration ourselves over the past, you know, seventy

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Speaker 1: two hours. So I always email us at the lounge

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Speaker 1: at ravens ont NFL dot net and let us know

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Speaker 1: what you think, what questions you have, um and just

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Speaker 1: what your thoughts are going into the off season. And

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Speaker 1: if anybody let's mails sending bandis to take care of

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Speaker 1: some of these wounds, yeah, the scrap, particularly now that

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Speaker 1: we've poured salt in them. Anybody you know how do

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Speaker 1: I cleanse this soul out of my wound out of

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Speaker 1: my wound here, So uh, thanks for listening as always,

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Speaker 1: and we'll be back to you next weeks. Past scholar

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