1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, ready or not, twenty twenty four is here, 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: and we here at breaking points, are already thinking of 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:08,640 Speaker 1: ways we can up our game for this critical election. 4 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 2: We rely on our premium subs to expand coverage, upgrade 5 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 2: the studio ad staff, give you, guys, the best independent 6 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 2: coverage that is possible. If you like what we're all about, 7 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 2: it just means the absolute world to have your support. 8 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 2: But enough with that, let's get to the show. Hello everybody, 9 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 2: it is little after seven pm here on the East Coast. 10 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 2: We have just knocked off Crystal from the Ron DeSantis 11 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 2: Elon Musk. 12 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,520 Speaker 3: David Sachs couldn't take it anymore. 13 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 2: Couldn't take any more. At this point, I think I 14 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:42,919 Speaker 2: literally have brain and ear cancer. For the uninitiated, it 15 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 2: was a total and a complete disaster. We are not 16 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 2: exaggerating glitches. From the very beginning. We have a little 17 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 2: bit of a highlight reel for everybody. 18 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 4: Let's take a listen, hight, I'm pleased introduce to individuals 19 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 4: who've done more to loosen the grip. 20 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 5: All right, Sorry about that. We've got so. 21 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 4: Many people here that I think we are we are 22 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 4: kind of melting the servers, which is a good sign. 23 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 4: Might have surprised many, but not those of us who've 24 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 4: known to work with Elon for nearly a quarter century 25 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 4: into freedom and to put his money off his mouth is. 26 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 6: Let's see so well, yeah, I think so, just to 27 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 6: simplify that, there's three in an eighty two thousand people 28 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 6: learn all right, great, so let's see, it's just keep 29 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 6: crashing him. 30 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:31,919 Speaker 5: Yeah. I think we've got. 31 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:37,559 Speaker 7: Just a massive number of people online, so it's serve 32 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 7: as restraining somewhat. All right, we're just reallocating more service 33 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 7: capability to be able to handle a load here. It's 34 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 7: really going going crazy. So yeah, I'm super excited to 35 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 7: have governed status. Uh, make this up. 36 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 5: All right? 37 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 4: I think we're broadcasting man, I think we melted the 38 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 4: internet there. 39 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, that was insane. Sorry. 40 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 7: We actually doing this from David TeX's Twitter account because 41 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 7: it looks like doing it from mine basically broke the 42 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 7: Twitter system. 43 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 5: Governor Santis are you there? Can you get us? I 44 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 5: think you're breaking right here? I know. I think I 45 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 5: think you broke the internet there. 46 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:28,959 Speaker 4: We had over half a million people in one Twitter 47 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 4: space and it was growing by like fifty thousand a minute. 48 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:36,679 Speaker 4: So congrats on on breaking the internet there. 49 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 7: Well yeah, yeah, I mean you try some you know, 50 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 7: new things that you're going to Yes, it's adventurous, so yes, 51 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 7: But I think the value here is actually really high 52 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 7: for people to hear directly from presidential candidates and to 53 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 7: answer a Q and a live and you can get 54 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 7: a sense for how a candidate really is, you know, 55 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 7: and and where it's not just can speeches and telepronters. 56 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 7: It's in fact you can tell by the you know, 57 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 7: some of the mistakes that it's real. 58 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 2: My personal favorite, Crystal is whenever they keep forgetting to 59 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 2: pause and they're like basically on a hot mic before 60 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 2: everybody else. So after exactly twenty five minutes of glitches, 61 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 2: we finally did get to hear from the candidate, the candidate, 62 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 2: Governor DeSantis, whose Twitter video actually went out at six pm. 63 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 2: By the way, we'll be breaking all that down tomorrow 64 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 2: in our morning show. But read's straight up Crystal off 65 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 2: of a script basically from his campaign at an entirely 66 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 2: five minute long presentation, and then from that point forward, 67 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 2: David Sachs and appear clearly this was a coordinated event, 68 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 2: calls on DeSantis surrogate's people like Thomas Massew's already endorsed 69 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:50,119 Speaker 2: Ron DeSantis governor Christopher Ruffo, who's worked closely with DeSantis 70 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 2: doctor j Bodataria. I mean, none of that is bad, 71 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 2: I guess, but you know, ostensibly this is effectively a 72 00:03:56,120 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 2: campaign event that was coordinated, held on Twitter in frankly 73 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 2: a disastrous format. It was not too disantrst the strength. 74 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: So I'm agree that's like the nicest thing you could say. 75 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: That's like so diplomatic, not to his strengths. I mean, okay, 76 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: so first let's go through the blow by blow because 77 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: regardless of like what happened after the initial disaster, already 78 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: you've got the Daily Mail. 79 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 3: Says Ron disaster. 80 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 1: You've got Fox News, which has been in DeSantis's corner, 81 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 1: but they feel snubbed over the fact that he decided 82 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: to do this bizarre Twitter launch thing instead of launching 83 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: with them, they're going after him. I mean what he 84 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: said after the initial glitches almost doesn't really matter. Yeah, 85 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: so let's go through a little bit of the blow 86 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: by blow. So first of all, they launched the Twitter spaces. 87 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 1: We couldn't get in. I mean we were trying. We 88 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: were us and our team Griffin and Matt were all 89 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 1: trying to get it. You couldn't get in, Okay, so 90 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: that's the first problem. You can't even get into this thing. 91 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 1: Then I think you were able to get in, yes, 92 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: but you couldn't hear anything. 93 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like static noise if feeble recorded. 94 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: There were Twitter and employees talking about servers and what 95 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 1: I mean, just total disaster. 96 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 3: At some point, DeSantis leaves the whole thing, yes, several Yeah, 97 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 3: and then they had. 98 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: To relaunch with the new spaces and apparently Elon, even 99 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: though he was supposed to be hosting, they couldn't use 100 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: his account. Still they had to like clude to work around. 101 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: And the initial spaces that had crashed had over half 102 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: a million people in it. When you came back in, 103 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: you were about one hundred thousand, two hundred thousand, and 104 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: David Sacks keep kept making these proclamations like this is 105 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: the most people ever gathered on social media. It's like, no, 106 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: it's not. It's not even close to that. And this 107 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: is for audio only. It's not even video. Okay, it's 108 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: audio only. So it's obviously catastrophe for Elon and Twitter. 109 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: It's a complete catastrophe for Ron DeSantis. I cannot imagine 110 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: how he is feeling, Like the amount of rage and 111 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:57,239 Speaker 1: despair he must be feeling right now. I can't cannot 112 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:58,239 Speaker 1: even wrap my head around. 113 00:05:58,360 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I have. 114 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: Never seen a political event be this much of a disaster. 115 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: And the other thing I was saying, you do use 116 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: two soccer is like, even if the tech had worked flawlessly, 117 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: this was a horrible idea. 118 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 3: Yes, like it had all of. 119 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: The energy people are saying online and this is not original. 120 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: It had all the energy literally of a zoom conference 121 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: call meeting with your boss, and it was hardly even 122 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: focused on him. All these other characters were coming in 123 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: and much of this was basically an ad, a really 124 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 1: bad ad, since it was such a disaster for Twitter 125 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: and Twitter spaces. You have even his surrogates, Thomas Massian's 126 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 1: coming in. 127 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 7: Are you on? 128 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:36,799 Speaker 3: You're so great? 129 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 8: So great? 130 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 3: What you're doing for the what are we doing here? 131 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 3: This is the presidential campaigns. 132 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 2: We have a little bit that, Crystal. We have some 133 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 2: some portions of this where they're basically just talking about 134 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 2: how great Twitter and Twitter spaces is. Let's take a 135 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 2: listen to that. 136 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 5: What made you want to kind of take the chance 137 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 5: of doing it? 138 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 4: This way as opposed to just doing on cable bs 139 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:57,239 Speaker 4: or the usual way. 140 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 9: Well, when COVID hit, I had to make decisions about 141 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 9: do you go with the crowd or do you look 142 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:06,919 Speaker 9: at the data yourself and cut against the grain. So 143 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 9: when Elon must stepped up to purchase Twitter, he paid 144 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 9: a lot of money for it, and I'm sure because 145 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 9: he's a good businessman, Elon, I'm sure you'll end up 146 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 9: making money off it. But the bottom line is you 147 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 9: had to put your money where your mouth is because 148 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,679 Speaker 9: I think you recognize that you can't have a free 149 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 9: society unless we have the freedom to debate the most 150 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 9: important issues that are affecting our civilization. That did not 151 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 9: happen during COVID. The truth was censored repeatedly. And now 152 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 9: that Twitter is in the hands of a free speech advocate, 153 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 9: that would not be able to happen again on this 154 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 9: Twitter platform. 155 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 7: Well, thank you. Yeah, We're absolutely committed to freedom speech 156 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 7: and level playing field and just a vigorous debate and 157 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 7: hopefully this can be a platform that brings people of 158 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 7: divergent to political view is. 159 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 5: Yeah. 160 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 7: I mean, the amazing thing about Twitter and things like 161 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 7: spaces are that although I happened to be hosting it. 162 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 7: I had to switch over to David hosting it because 163 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 7: my account was actually just too much interest. My account 164 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 7: was breaking the system. But it's it's a There's really 165 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 7: never been a mechanism before where someone could address the nation, 166 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 7: or anyone who wanted to listen to them, could from 167 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 7: from anywhere in the world, the United States or anywhere. 168 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 7: So this is a I think this is a really 169 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 7: profound change. Whereas with a public digital town square like 170 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 7: we have here, it's possible for the public to choose 171 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 7: the narrative. It empowers the people instead of a very 172 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 7: tiny elite cabal, which I don't recognize the irony of 173 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 7: using that phrase, but but nonetheless it's it's true, and 174 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 7: judge by the results. 175 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 10: First of all, let me say a big thank you 176 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 10: to Elon Musk for buying Twitter and expect all of this. 177 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 10: By the way, I've never met Elon Musk, but I'm 178 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 10: one of your biggest fans. I'm the first congressman to 179 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:11,839 Speaker 10: have a tesla. I'm on star I'm on Starlink, and 180 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 10: I would have bought a power wall, but I'm off 181 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 10: the grid and you wouldn't tell me once, so I 182 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 10: had to make one with the wrecked models. 183 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 8: Elon, if I put down money on January first, twenty 184 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 8: twenty two, that Twitter was going to be the last 185 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 8: bastion of free speech on Earth, brother, I'd be about 186 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 8: as rich as you are on that bet right now. 187 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 8: I mean, it's incredible, and Elon, I have to say 188 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 8: thank you for taking the arrows and for unthrottling the 189 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 8: accounts of all of us who got in trouble for 190 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 8: sharing a New York Post story about a laptop. 191 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:41,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was one of my immediate takeaways. Chrystal. I 192 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 2: actually tweeted this at the time, and I just said, hey, 193 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 2: you know, with respect to Elon into Sacks, why would 194 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 2: DeSantis want his campaign launch to basically be an ad 195 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 2: for Twitter spaces like announcements should not be an advertisement 196 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 2: for the medium. And once again, look, I considered David 197 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 2: sachs afriend. I think he's a nice guy. I really do. 198 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,199 Speaker 2: I actually love his podcast, some of his stuff on 199 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 2: Ukraine that said whenever he and Elon were being like 200 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 2: nobody's ever done anything like this before, I look, it's 201 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 2: this is literally not true. I mean, like YouTube has 202 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 2: held events where millions of people are watching synchronously in 203 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 2: audio and in video, and like you said, that was 204 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 2: just that's video way actually harder to pull off. So clearly, 205 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 2: you know, Twitter completely shit the bed. Yeah, in their 206 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 2: role out of this, the infrastructure was a nightmare. And 207 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 2: I also think this is a big indictment of the 208 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 2: DeSantis campaign. Nobody picked up the phone and said, hey, 209 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,079 Speaker 2: are you guys sure, Like are we good to go? 210 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 2: Can we do a test? Like can we make sure 211 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 2: one hundred percent? There's no you know, this is literally 212 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 2: the job of advanced staff to make sure and you know, 213 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 2: you know this also crystal, like anytime candidates and others 214 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,079 Speaker 2: are doing something high profile. I mean, hell, even sometimes 215 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 2: when we interview people, they you know, their team will 216 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 2: check like what time is it gonna go up? Like 217 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 2: can we do a check just make sure everything is 218 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 2: good to go, like a pre zoom call almost, you know, 219 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,439 Speaker 2: I mean, these are very normal things whenever it comes 220 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 2: to you know, even mid profile events. This is the 221 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 2: highest high profile you're on the absolute biggest national stage ever. 222 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean the big story out of it, 223 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 2: unfortunately for him, is nothing that he said. Another reason 224 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 2: why I think it was a huge mistake was it 225 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,839 Speaker 2: was long, It was plotting. It was over an hour 226 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 2: and pre selected questions, prescripted answers. That is not engaging. 227 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 2: It was difficult to listen to and to be engaged in, 228 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 2: you know, and like, that's just not it's not good 229 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,199 Speaker 2: radio man, Why I do this for a living. The 230 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 2: whole time, I'm like, ask him a freaking question. I'm like, dude, 231 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 2: you know, get the pace going. Don't let him just 232 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,319 Speaker 2: read off of the thing. That's just not how these 233 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:47,439 Speaker 2: things are supposed to go. 234 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: It made him look very small, feel very small, And 235 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: so there's an advantage of I'm sure what they were 236 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,319 Speaker 1: going for was like, oh, people feel more. 237 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 3: Connected to them. It's more of an intimate setting. 238 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,839 Speaker 1: You're having this, like you're being let in on this 239 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: conversation among these people that you've heard about. 240 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:07,439 Speaker 3: But it didn't come across that way. 241 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: It came across as wildly inauthentic because everything was obviously 242 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: completely pre planned and scripted. So if your bet was 243 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: this will be a more authentic, natural setting, well you 244 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: definitely blew it on that front. And then the advantage 245 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: of a normal, traditional staged campaign speech. You know, think 246 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 1: of how much thought Trump puts into the optics of 247 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,439 Speaker 1: his campaign speeches and what's behind him and who's behind him, 248 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: and in the airplane hangar with his private jet behind 249 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff. It gives you that sense 250 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,719 Speaker 1: with the staging and the music and the presence, like oh, 251 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: this is a thing that I want to be part of. 252 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: And it also helps to enable you to envision this 253 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: person as president of the United States and commander in chief. 254 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 1: So if you're going to skip down on that, you 255 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,719 Speaker 1: better have a damn good reason. So, like I said, 256 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: even if the tech had been flawless, I think this 257 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: would have been a disaster for him because it was 258 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: so poorly planned. It was so boring, it was so plotting, 259 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:08,199 Speaker 1: it was so prescripted, it was so lacking in any 260 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: sort of like all right, let's do this thing, campaign, excitement, 261 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: launch energy, that it was a terrible concept from the start. 262 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: And I also have to say on like this side, 263 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: and I talked to Emily about this some this morning. 264 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: You know, conservatives have been and I have been also 265 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:28,119 Speaker 1: very rightfully upset about collaboration between social media giant companies 266 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: and government. And then here you have this billionaire owner 267 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: of Twitter putting his hand thumb directly on the scales 268 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:37,719 Speaker 1: in favor of his favorite presidential can It's like, how 269 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 1: can you argue that this is like a neutral free 270 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: speech platform at this point when you've clearly made a 271 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 1: bet in terms of this political race, and of course 272 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: people are going to assume, right, what are you doing 273 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: behind the scenes that try to pump this guy up 274 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:50,839 Speaker 1: when you're publicly pumping this guy up to the best 275 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: of your ability. 276 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 3: Although that kind of fell fell flat, didn't it. 277 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 2: I agree. I think it was a mistake for Elon 278 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 2: to do that, you know, especially for you know, he 279 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 2: has a brand that he actually had a decent amount 280 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:02,079 Speaker 2: of leverage with Democrats even before this. Glenn Greenwald, I 281 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 2: know you guys talked about on the show today that pole. Yeah, 282 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 2: showing Elon's likability ratings and all that becoming explicitly partson 283 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 2: is just not the right thing to do here. The 284 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 2: second thing I would just say is hold a goddamn rally. 285 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 2: You know, just just do a rally. 286 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 3: God supporters, pahuld show up our. 287 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 2: Particular freaking governor in Florida. You should have just put 288 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 2: out a video. I mean, he's in Miami right now, 289 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 2: and he should have just done a damn rally and 290 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 2: then immediately after the rally. I mean, right now as 291 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 2: you and I are speaking, he's literally on Fox News. 292 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 2: We'll be covering them all of that tomorrow in terms 293 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 2: of his interview, some maybe some other things that he says. 294 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 2: But you know, I mean, looking at the takeaway, it's 295 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 2: not just us. Front page in the New York Times, 296 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 2: Desanta's announcement is disrupted by Twitter malfunction. The subhead of 297 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 2: there is about what's going on with ron said, second 298 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 2: front page of the Washington Post Desanti's presidential campaign kickoff 299 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 2: on Twitter plagued by technical issues. If you look at 300 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 2: the Daily Mail, so, like you said, they call him 301 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 2: a failure off in Ronning. That's what the top of 302 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 2: a New York Post is. 303 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: That's the nicest fun you can say. 304 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 3: I've gotten a neutral. 305 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 2: Often Ronning is what we've got from the New York Posts. 306 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 2: They're in the Tank Forum, Daily Mail. 307 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 3: Oh we've got a we got a Trump react to, 308 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 3: don't we? 309 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 2: Yes? I have. I tru got it there here in 310 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 2: front of me. It says, Rob. My red button is bigger, better, 311 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 2: stronger and is working truth Yours does not. Per My 312 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 2: conversation with Kim Jong Moon of North Korea soon to 313 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 2: become my friend. For those who don't remember, the red 314 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 2: button is a reference to the fire and fury speech. 315 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, the nuclear nuclear button. 316 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: Not his best work in my opinion, but I'm sure 317 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: he's going to be having a field day with this 318 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: for a long time. And here's the thing too, for DeSantis, 319 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: why this is a story that may have maybe problematic 320 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: for him beyond just this moment. His whole pitch is like, 321 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: I'm Trump without the chaos. I'm Trump but competent. And 322 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: so when your launch is a humilion, a shit show, 323 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: it's hard for you to carry the message of like, okay, 324 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: but I'm the one who knows how to actually I 325 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: think he even had a line in there like some 326 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: people know how to tweet, and I know how to 327 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: get it done. It's like, well, that's not really demonstrated 328 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: with your launch today, buddy. And I do think those 329 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: things could matter. I mean, part of I think how 330 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: Obama was able to defeat Hillary bat all the way 331 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: back in two thousand and eight, even as this junior 332 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: senator and upstart, was because his campaign had the impression 333 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: of this thing is locked down, it's effectively run, it's 334 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: effectively man it's like, Okay, maybe he is up to 335 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: the task. 336 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 3: Not a good first impression. 337 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: I guess this is like probably the most diplomatic thing 338 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: I could say at this point. 339 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 2: It was a bad impression. It gives it. Here's the 340 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 2: other thing. You know, media is already out for blood 341 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 2: with Ron de Santas. So the thing is it's your 342 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 2: job to not give them anything, to give them nothing 343 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 2: to work with. So all they have to do is 344 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 2: cover the text and of the announcement of the actual 345 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 2: substance of what he is promising. And you know, unfortunately 346 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 2: for him, that's just not going to be the headline. 347 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 2: Like I said, the Daily Mail first thing that they 348 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 2: lead with finally underway after twenty six minutes of glitches. 349 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,880 Speaker 2: Then yeh, rips Disney for you know, injecting gender ideology 350 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 2: like that could have been the headline out of it. 351 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 2: And that's what you and I could have been talking 352 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 2: about it. Forday, we will spend a lot of time 353 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 2: tomorrow more a little bit on the substance of Most 354 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 2: of what he wanted to initially focus on was the 355 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 2: reaction to COVID gender ideology. You will resign you know, 356 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 2: wokeism or woke ideology to the dust beIN pretty cookie 357 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 2: cutter stuff for his speech it is. 358 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: I mean it's very cookie cutter Ron DeSantis. But I 359 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: do think the decision to launch on Twitter and the 360 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: choice of topics that he leans into, I mean really 361 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: no bread and butter issues, right, No healthcare, no wages, 362 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: no cod very little, very light on those topics. It's 363 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: all like the woke mind virus and DEI and ESG 364 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: and all of these things that a lot of normal 365 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 1: people would be like, what the hell are you been 366 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: talking about right now? I think that that is a 367 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: symptom of him being way too online, which is how 368 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: you end up thinking that it's a good idea to 369 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:06,640 Speaker 1: launch your presidential campaign on Twitter, a platform that even 370 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: if it had all gone well, a tiny slice of 371 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:12,439 Speaker 1: the public uses even tinier slice of the public has 372 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: ever used Twitter spaces or even heard of Twitter spaces. 373 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: So I do think that that's emblematic of a deeper 374 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: issue for him of you know, is this really going 375 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: to be what your average normal, non super online Republican 376 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 1: voter is looking for in a candidate, Because I do 377 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: think he suffers from being in those like online conservative 378 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 1: echo chamber conversations way too much. 379 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I think so. He did a little bit 380 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,400 Speaker 2: in his speech. He was talking about net migration, all 381 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 2: that stuff. That's that to me, that is the best 382 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 2: case for DeSantis. The best case is look at the scoreboard. 383 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 8: I won. 384 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 2: I flipped a purple state into a red state. Millions 385 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 2: of people moved to me because I did a good job. 386 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 2: Now let's make America the same as Florida. Like that 387 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 2: is actually a great message, but you have got to 388 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,679 Speaker 2: make sure that you're connecting it in a way where 389 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 2: it can not only resonate with the primary voter, the 390 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 2: GOP primary voter, which of course you know has all 391 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 2: of these culture war things that they want to hear about, 392 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 2: but also this isn't just your kickoff to them, it's 393 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 2: your kickoff to everybody. So anyway, failure to launch, that's 394 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 2: already what that's already what the Trump campaigns going. 395 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 9: Man. 396 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 2: They are having an absolute feel day. It's got to be. 397 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 2: I've got my Twitter feed in front of me, Crystal. 398 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 2: They have already released a video mocking and making fun 399 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 2: of him, cutting together of his of the Twitter spaces. 400 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 2: They've they've they've been saying, like, oh more people watch 401 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 2: CNM than are listening to Meatball rob So they're going 402 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 2: all in in terms of against him. And look, I 403 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 2: mean this is part people will be like, oh, you're 404 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:52,360 Speaker 2: being unfair. Look what we're doing is we know Crystal, 405 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 2: you and I Trump will reach for anything, so will 406 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 2: the media. It's your job not to give them anything 407 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 2: to work with. You gave it to work with them. 408 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,120 Speaker 2: And he's gonna he's gonna be hearing about this one 409 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 2: for a long time. 410 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: You're running to be, you know, the chief executive of 411 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: the country in a way, you know you're running. You're 412 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: you're trying to run the whole show here. If you 413 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: can't even handle your own campaign launch, it's not a 414 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: great first statement about how you do managing the country. 415 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 2: Yes, so we will have a ton more for you 416 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 2: guys tomorrow, more elements and everything, a full breakdown of 417 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 2: the DeSantis interview tonight on Fox. He's gonna have also 418 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 2: an interview with Mark Levin. We will have a breakdown 419 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 2: of his video, even more thoughts and things about how 420 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,400 Speaker 2: he's positioning himself. We want to give everybody a quick 421 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 2: emergency reaction and thank you all for our premium describers 422 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 2: who enable our ability for the whole team to just 423 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 2: mobilize like this on a dime and post it and 424 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 2: make sure it gets up to everyone Breakingpoints dot com 425 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 2: if you are able. Otherwise, we'll see your beautiful faces 426 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 2: bright and early tomorrow morning. 427 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 3: Yep, that's right. 428 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 1: Personally, I don't know if I've ever enjoyed a presidential 429 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 1: launch more. 430 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 2: It was fun. 431 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you. 432 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 5: Rob. 433 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 2: My fiance was like, what are you doing in there, 434 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 2: because Lily sitting cackling. I was like, I cannot Yeah, 435 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 2: it was too profane to say here, but it was 436 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 2: pretty bad. I was. I was, I was laughing. I 437 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 2: was truely laughing. We'll see you guys later. Bye,