WEBVTT - The Jizzard of Oz 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:05.480 I think it's gay or to not have sex than 0:00:05.519 --> 0:00:08.600 it is to have sex. That's because you've been conditioned 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:14.000 by media to never get the payoff have sex. Wait, 0:00:14.080 --> 0:00:23.639 that's actually really true. Oh wow, I hate that. You 0:00:23.680 --> 0:00:27.600 know that. I almost named my dog Sunday, who is 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:30.960 currently in the studio with us. I almost named her Judy. Really, 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:33.120 there have been a few times since I got her 0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:37.360 that I have felt like I should have done that. Um, 0:00:37.360 --> 0:00:39.959 maybe it's her middle name, but it was in. It 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:42.479 was going to be an homage to Judy Garland because 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:46.280 I had a deep, abiding childhood love of the Wizard 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:48.519 of Oz. It was probably the thing that, more than 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:54.000 any Disney movie, more than any like cartoon, I was 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:57.760 obsessed with and like formed a big chunk of my personality. 0:00:57.840 --> 0:00:59.600 Low and Behold. I grew up and I learned that 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:04.759 that's true for like most queer people. And so today 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:07.399 we're gonna be talking about the Wizard of Oz and 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:12.360 all of the Oz inspired media that has spun off from. Yeah, 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:15.720 the many many many different pieces of tangential I p 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:18.960 that have a crewed over a time. Yeah, because this 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:21.200 is like a virgin the show where we give yesterday's 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:25.200 pop culture today's takes, I'm ros Damo and I'm fran Torado. 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:29.720 And before we click our heels three times, let's talk 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:36.360 about what's going on in Kansas. In Kansas, probably something transphobic. 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:42.640 Was any of the Dropouts set in Kansas? I feel 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:45.320 like maybe there might have been a scene there. Well. 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:49.040 I mean, I feel like large corporations, especially very corrupt ones, 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:51.960 love to like put their bases in random states like 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:54.440 that because they know they can get away with more, 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:57.680 either tax wise or just like the government doesn't pay 0:01:57.680 --> 0:02:00.560 attention to or that's where they test people. But I 0:02:00.560 --> 0:02:03.480 think in the Dropout there, we're actually testing people in Arizona, 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:08.560 R right. And on that point, the finale was excellent. 0:02:08.720 --> 0:02:14.840 What an incredible season of television, A closed loop, incredible 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:21.520 performance by Amanda Saford, literally so consistent, like virtually, I 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:23.840 don't I don't have any notes, Like I think it's 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:26.400 almost difficult to talk about because it was such a 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:29.639 wonderful kind of like piece of television. I think it's 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:32.000 my favorite show of the years so far, maybe aside 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:36.440 from like Euphoria If but like I just like the 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:39.679 thing to me is in comparison to all the other 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:42.000 scammer shows that are kind of making the rounds right 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:45.800 now because they must be compared, Like this was the 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:51.680 show to pull off what was a very human performance 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:56.400 that like based absolute absurd. It'st like scammery into a 0:02:56.440 --> 0:03:00.320 reality that you didn't even know existed. Um, I just 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:02.480 thought it was so well done, especially now that the 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:07.160 Wee crashed kind of like, uh, we crashed. It has 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:10.200 not low key fallen off for me, it has high 0:03:10.280 --> 0:03:12.320 key fallen off. It fell off the top of a 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:15.680 whee crashed. I'm just not interested in the why of 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:18.880 how this all happened with the dropout, Like I want 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:22.800 to know how Elizabeth Holmes scammed everyone, and I'm really 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:26.000 interested in her as a character despite her being so 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:30.799 obviously evil and psychotic. With We Crashed, I don't care 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:34.600 about any of that. Yeah, and with these scammer shows, 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:37.760 like they all made the kind of choice to center 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:40.839 a lot of the scammer around a romance that you're 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:43.600 kind of made to root for. And the thing about 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:46.880 like Amandacy Freed's character, are you meant to root for 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:51.920 either of them? And We Crashed? I think they're definitely 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:55.440 farming for empathy. If you have meat cutes, you have like, 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:57.840 you know, moments where they're like sobbing together because they're 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:01.200 losing billions of dollars. It's just like, I don't know. 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:03.880 I actually think it goes a very out of its 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:07.400 way to spotlight how toxic they are and how from 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:10.560 their very first interaction he was such a douche bag, 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:15.040 but she like needed purpose so badly that she latched 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:17.920 onto him. There's a scene in the most recent episode 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:21.279 that you haven't watched that kind of like backs my 0:04:21.400 --> 0:04:24.680 argument a little more. But my point is with um 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:30.800 Elizabeth Holmes and Sonny, like I felt that their relationship 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:34.360 which is very weird and very bizarre and very hard 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:36.560 to root for at the beginning, the big At the beginning, 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:38.440 you're like, this is weird and think it's hard to 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:41.280 root for the whole time. See no, see I I 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:43.080 was like, this is uncomfortable and I don't really know 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:45.640 how how these two characters are going to find chemistry. 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:47.440 And then by the by the end when they're like 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:50.960 scamming together, you're kind of like, this feels this, this 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:53.000 was very real. There was I think, this is what 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:55.800 I'm actually trying to say, there was realism in the 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:58.880 romance that exists in the dropout that did not exist 0:04:58.920 --> 0:05:01.279 and we crash her other gam shows. I believed in 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:06.480 their relationship because because I think, um, it's a very 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:10.080 good depiction of a word that I think gets thrown 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:13.599 around a lot right now culturally, which is grooming, and she, 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:16.560 I think very clearly was groomed by him, at least 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:18.640 in the way that the facts were presented in the show. 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:22.120 And I actually thought it was like, one of the 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:26.600 best scenes in the finale was that scene where they 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:29.839 are it's either in the office or at their house, 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:33.359 where they're kind of like making these threats without actually 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:36.320 making them, and she says something like, you know, I 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:38.880 was so young when we met. How old was I? 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:41.680 Do you remember? And it's just it's all right there. 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:45.000 She knows exactly what she's doing, she knows she's weaponizing 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:50.640 their past against him, um, and it's it's just so brilliant, 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:56.000 so brilliantly written, acted directed everything, And also the chilling 0:05:56.040 --> 0:05:59.120 moment when she turns to her mom and she's like 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:03.320 it bad, um if I can't remember, Like what's the 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:05.320 truth and what's a lie? Like is it my fault? 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:08.720 If I can't even remember? And you see almost briefly, 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:12.080 like a person who has lied to themselves so much, 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:16.880 but her mother exactly and and and that it was 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:19.320 what she was taught to do. Just all of the 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:23.120 different layers of the show worked. Um, I have to 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:27.599 ask you one thing before we finally hopefully never talked 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:31.200 about we crashed ever again. Do you think that Anne 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:35.760 Hathaway is wearing the wrong blush on purpose, as like 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:38.440 a character choice, or do you think that the makeup 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:42.880 artist is just bad because the blush is orange? I 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:47.599 haven't noticed. Okay, it's so orange, and I really I 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:49.920 can't look at anything else and I don't even notice 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:51.719 stuff like that. Maybe it's just because I'm starting to 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:54.080 wear like, you know, makeup and blush and stuff. But 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:57.599 like I just I felt like it was maybe a 0:06:57.680 --> 0:07:00.680 character choice. I feel like, I'm know, I feel like 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:03.560 she doesn't do ship like that, especially because of how 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:06.360 much everyone's talking about Jared Letto and his method acting 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:09.000 right now. I don't think she cares. I think she's like, 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:11.840 just you know, do whatever. I would have thought that 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:15.280 too if it weren't for an Anne Hathaway's also bizarre 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:18.120 choice to like slightly lower her voice, which I think 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:21.800 is very unnecessary. But yeah, but at least she's not 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:24.920 wearing prosthetic teeth. At least she's not wearing prosthetic teeth 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:31.680 and an anti Semitic like kind of prosthetic nose question mark, Like, 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:33.880 has anyone ever talked about that? I mean, I don't 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:39.520 even know. It's all it's all drag, which does quite nicely. 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:43.640 We're all born naked and the rest is Jared Letto 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:45.320 is what you're going to say. It does bring us 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:49.680 quite nicely to what I want to briefly touch on. 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:52.520 I want to give us like a minute tops to 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:55.520 talk about drag race. I knew as soon as this 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:58.720 episode started we were getting a five person finale. I 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:02.880 did throw my TV out the window when it happened. Um, 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:06.440 both willow Hill and who was the other one Anigeria? 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:09.080 They both were bad. They were both bad in that 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:12.840 lip sync double elimination. I love willow Hill, but honestly, 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:17.240 she has not been eating recently, and that lip sync 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:22.000 was a travesty considering the song that they had. It 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:25.680 was a disgrace against Lady Gaga and Beyonce. I don't 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:27.920 know if you've heard of them. I agree with the 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:30.560 with ellipsync Tank. I think that you know, we as 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:33.400 a community have been waiting for that song to be 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:35.600 a lip sync for a very long time, and they 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:39.040 both boofed it. I don't think that, you know, Willow 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:41.480 has necessarily let me down. I just think that this 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:45.600 wasn't a very strong episode for me. Even the mouse 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:48.600 gown I thought good. It felt like a look she 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:51.360 brought for something else. It was the only thing she 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:54.600 had left to wear. I loved the concept. I just 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:57.680 thought that it lacked a little bit of polish. And 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:00.240 the thing is, there's just no one else to route 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:05.240 for like Camden is, just like Camden has like that 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:07.760 would suck so hard. I think she's gonna win. I 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:10.680 think she's been getting the winners edit. I think she's 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:15.640 honestly to me. To my mind, the top two Camden 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:20.880 and Dia because Data has a very good story of 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:24.640 how she was eliminated. She's grown so much. She had 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:26.959 that like breakthrough a moment halfway during the season. Now 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:29.840 she has the diabetes plot line. Well. I loved in 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:31.880 this episode the part where they invite them all to 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:34.080 the TikTok lunch to be like, okay, so tell us 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:36.880 about your tra trauma and one thing I did appreciate 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:39.920 was that I guess Rue isn't dead naming the Queens anymore. 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:44.080 Them their childhood photos when they you know, when they 0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:46.360 did got Mick that that season, they were like, we 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:49.440 have asked your permission to use this photo or whatever, 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:51.360 which is like you can tell that they're putting better 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:54.960 people on the team. But um, to me, Okay, Camden 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:57.880 being a winner or even being in the finale, it's 0:09:57.920 --> 0:10:00.640 just like her place is deserved. It's just she doesn't 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:04.120 have anything distinctive or ownable about her. It's kind of 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:06.800 like a Courtney Act problem where it's like, yeah, you're 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:09.600 just kind of like hitting all the marks and you 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:13.000 can clearly afford really nice costumes and you're a triple threat. 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:15.280 But that's like beyond that when you take all of 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:17.679 that away, like what's left? And I think that when 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:20.200 you think about, you know, the pillars of the show 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:23.400 and like charisma, uniqueness, nerve, and talent, it's like Camden 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:28.720 to me lacks like the charisma and the uniqueness. I 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:30.640 think she has the nerve, and I think she has 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:32.559 the talent, but I just I don't think she has 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:35.679 the first half of like what's required of a star. 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:38.880 You know what I mean? Yeah, I agree. Well, I'm 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:43.840 very excited to see Phoebe waller Bridge um win Tracker 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:49.920 um by which I mean Lady Camden looks like literally 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:55.160 exactly like her. Unfortunately, Phoebe waller Bridge is not taking 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:59.960 home one hundred thousand dollars for the Killing Eve Dollar. 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:03.920 There's the money, but have you seen the swirl of 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:08.480 controversy that is around the Killing E finale, which, by 0:11:08.480 --> 0:11:11.120 the way, I didn't even know Killing Eve was airing, 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:13.360 had no idea. I knew it was airing, I didn't 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:16.200 know that it had ended, but I did see people 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:20.400 talking about it on Instagram today and just how awful 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:26.200 the finale. The girls are mad, mad, things are abundant. Okay, 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:32.000 I'm staying far away from a pink news is today. 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:39.680 The girls are down bad queer blames. They're like, we'll 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:44.560 talk about we'll talk about lesbian's one day a year. Absolutely. Um. 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:47.520 I have to say, the function of art and how 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:50.240 we make it is not to make you feel safe 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:53.640 inside of this, Like like, if you don't feel safe, 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:55.280 if you don't like watching things that don't make you 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:57.720 feel safe, you don't have to watch it to tell 0:11:57.800 --> 0:12:00.679 compelling stories, and so it's like to me, it's like 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:05.600 if you're going to like calling attempt critique as you say, like, 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:07.640 you're not going to sit here and say this is 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:10.959 how like this made me feel and it betrayed me 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:13.920 personally and therefore is bad. You can say that, but 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:16.200 it just doesn't hold much weight. You should be critiquing 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:18.640 it because the finale was just bad, you know what 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:21.280 I mean, Like find ways to talk about how the 0:12:21.320 --> 0:12:25.800 Barrier Gaze trope is like bad because it's repetitive and unoriginal, 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:29.080 not because you feel betrayed. I also don't think you 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:32.280 can say that the main character of a TV show 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:35.640 dying in the last episode of before season show a 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:40.240 character who was an assassin, is Barrier Gaze. It's not 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:43.599 you can't just say any queer character who dies is 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:46.480 Barrier Gaze because what if you're watching a horror movie 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:49.960 that is literally the function of horror movies just to 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:53.760 kill people for entertainment. This is a serial murderer thriller, 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:58.280 Like that is like what I can't I can't I 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:01.280 get that the I get that the esbians are down bad, 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:05.920 you know, Find another show, find something, Go read a book, 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:10.480 go touch grass. Please go outside, go outside, find some 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:12.960 other queer people in real life and talk to them. 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:16.480 Go to a community center. Go I don't know, learn 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:21.360 to knit. I don't do something. Okay, that's true. As 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:25.040 our producer just said, Lesbian, I just mean, take all 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:30.800 that energy you use telling people, telling like directors and 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:35.200 like actors online to kill themselves, and put it towards 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:39.640 actual queer liberation what whatever, whatever way you can find 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:43.600 that that is because I'm I am so apologetic to 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:46.480 tell you that you will never find queer liberation in 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:49.880 a TV show ever, period. And I have to say, 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:52.480 if you want to feel liberated, you should go and 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:59.199 see everything everywhere, all at once. Oh my god, for Angela, 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:04.000 I I have not had that kind of emotional, cathartic 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:07.320 moment in a movie, and I like six months it 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:10.480 was so in at least six the last time I 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:16.920 watched Frozen, Oh my god, that show. That movie, Like, 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:21.920 I mean, it exceeded my already impossibly high expectations. Like 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:25.280 I'm gonna say, better multiverse movie than Spider Man, No Home. 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:29.800 The new Doctor Strange movie has you know, it's work 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:33.400 cut out for it, because Michelle, y'all really just it's 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:37.160 the Scarlet Witch. Oh my god, I would watch that movie. 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:42.200 I mean the clip circulating right now she is in Marvel, yes, exactly, 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:45.680 But I think, honestly, I'm thinking about that about her 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:49.880 role in Marvel as a character that kind of can 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:52.480 is just one of the many characters that has let 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:56.240 her down as an actress and and and has failed 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:59.800 to show her versatility um, despite the fact that she 0:14:59.840 --> 0:15:02.840 has very badass and chan chi. But like, my this 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:05.680 the clip that's circulating right now of Michelle Yaw kind 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:07.920 of tearing up and talking about how when she read 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:10.080 the script she felt that this was the first time 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:15.160 someone could finally see what she was. But it's so 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:19.440 true and like this film, which you know, no spoilers, 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:22.560 but like the premises, it's like Michelle Yaw owns the 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:27.840 laundromat um with her family and discovers that she belongs 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:30.520 to a multiverse that she is kind of like the 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:35.480 chosen one to like save basically, um, it sounds crazy, 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:38.640 but like you buy into the movie really quickly, which 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:42.000 I think is honestly. The complexity of the universe that 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:46.280 they build is so actually quickly understood, which is so 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:48.400 hard to do. You know, what I mean, Like I 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:51.480 get so lost in plots like that, and like you 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:55.280 just understand or the rather you click into it so immediately, 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:58.640 all of the action, all of the comedy, all of 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:02.600 the kind of like emotional like resonance of like each 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:06.000 of these performances just like stuck the landing in every way. 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:08.280 Like what were your favorite parts from this? Well? I 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:10.680 thought it was so funny. I laughed so much while 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:12.760 watching it. Um, the parts that made me the most 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:18.760 emotional were the rocks. Oh you know, you have to it. 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:22.200 It was so good, I think. Um, her husband, who's 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:26.800 played by Kahai Kwon, was so great, and I found 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:30.160 him very sexy. He was in the scene the universe 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:31.720 and where he was in the suit where she was 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:35.880 a singer so hot. Um, and all of these actors 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:40.080 ability to play so many different selves, like so many 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:43.440 different versions of the same character, Like the actor. I 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:46.840 thought her daughter was really good. I, Um, she's in 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:49.560 Marvelous Mrs Maisel, and I've always thought she was pretty 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:53.880 good in that as well. Jamie Curtis and Jamie Curtis, 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:59.920 Oh my god, the Hot Talkends Universe, so goody. It's 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:02.920 such a such a good movie and I think like, 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:05.360 and you know we're after this, I want to talk 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:08.320 about Severance because we both started watching Severance this weekend, 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:13.160 and I do think like there's something linking these two 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:18.240 things together because they both do what really good science 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:21.160 fiction is supposed to do, which is take something that's 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:27.159 really grounded in reality and really human and blow it 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:32.000 out through science and technology, like like create a universe 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:34.719 and that is very like our own, except like humans 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:37.920 have figured out how to do one thing and here 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:40.280 like and everything everywhere all at once. It's like this 0:17:40.480 --> 0:17:43.760 central idea of what if, Like what if I had 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:46.679 made this choice? What if my life had gone this way? 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:50.040 And that is a very relatable feeling. I think we 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:52.320 all feel like that from time to time. And on 0:17:52.359 --> 0:17:54.680 that note, like in terms of like the sci fi 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:57.159 the world building of it all, like we have to 0:17:57.840 --> 0:18:03.199 champion original films because the only things popping off right 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:08.639 now are like exactly Marvel movies, reboots, sequels, like and 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:11.600 this is such an annoying and cliche like kind of 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:14.119 like thing to say, but it's so true, and like 0:18:14.440 --> 0:18:17.720 this is a movie that we as a culture like 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:22.520 wait for in terms of like a completely novel originality 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:27.320 that is entirely like like entirely in its own right, 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:30.520 like beautiful and stunning and like flawless, like I don't 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:33.440 use that word lightly, even though that's so uninteresting to say. Also, 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:35.800 Jenny Slate was so good to see, and with the 0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:41.040 dog so good. I don't think I will say I 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:43.439 don't think it's a perfect movie. There were parts of 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:45.720 it that I thought, like, I think the end is 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:50.440 like very the the emotionality like almost becomes a little 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:53.880 sacharin um, And I think like some of the things 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:56.720 are wrapped up a little too tidily, but it kind 0:18:56.720 --> 0:18:59.800 of doesn't matter because the strokes are so broad yet 0:18:59.800 --> 0:19:03.919 the emotions are so specific that it all just really works. 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:07.080 I just, on a taste level, tend to enjoy more 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:10.840 saccharin things, but regardless, like you and I did sob 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:14.439 through the last like third thirty minutes at least, and 0:19:14.480 --> 0:19:16.560 then and I saw this movie alone. We both saw. 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:20.920 I left afterwards, went down to the parking garage, sat 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:23.920 in my car and cried more because I was thinking 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:27.879 about my mom. And the movie hits you multiple times 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:32.480 because there's so many layers to it. It's just a beautiful, beautiful, 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:35.520 beautiful film. A movie that and you were talking about 0:19:35.560 --> 0:19:37.080 the last time you cried. I just want to quickly 0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:40.520 sneak in um the fact that like this, Uh. I 0:19:40.600 --> 0:19:43.600 watched this movie the day after I saw Coda, which 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:46.720 was a movie that I quickly discovered was not Belfast. 0:19:48.960 --> 0:19:51.120 I was like, I think I had conflated the two 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:55.119 in my head as like the white contenders for the Academy, 0:19:55.280 --> 0:19:58.239 you know when, for Best Motion Picture. And so when 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:00.080 I sat down to watch it, because it was this 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:03.720 year's Best Picture winner, I had a very emotional experience 0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:06.359 to it. The logline is like a girl is the 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:10.760 only hearing member of a deaf family, and she really 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:13.960 loves to sing, and so she is basically deciding whether 0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:16.600 at the end of high school, whether she's going to 0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:19.439 pursue singing as a dream or whether she's going to 0:20:19.520 --> 0:20:22.280 stay with her family to support them because she's the 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:26.320 only one that can hear. And so, like another movie 0:20:26.320 --> 0:20:28.359 that I like, sobbed through the last thirty minutes of 0:20:28.680 --> 0:20:32.680 actually like a movie that, like I I started crying 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:35.679 and then like just kind of continually cried. But I 0:20:35.720 --> 0:20:38.400 was also trying to like eat um, like the barbecue 0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:40.560 that I had ordered, and so like, my nose is 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:43.439 really stuffed up. And then another crying moment happened, and 0:20:43.480 --> 0:20:45.439 so I was like, because my nose was stuffed up, 0:20:45.480 --> 0:20:48.680 I started like sobbing and then choking on my own food. 0:20:48.920 --> 0:20:53.160 Like wow, I was crying. A very visceral experience. Yeah, 0:20:53.200 --> 0:20:57.000 it was, but it definitely, definitely, definitely see that movie. 0:20:57.160 --> 0:20:59.480 I think it's worth, you know, a month of Apple 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:03.040 Apple TV Plus if you subscribe, So I pay for 0:21:03.080 --> 0:21:07.400 Apple TV Plus. It's um, And so it was very 0:21:07.400 --> 0:21:09.520 easy for me to once I saw that everyone was 0:21:09.560 --> 0:21:13.360 talking about the show Severance, to decide to give it 0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:16.720 give it a go um, which actually is like a 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:18.199 very hard thing for me to do because I do 0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:21.359 not just like try out new TV shows without feeling 0:21:21.359 --> 0:21:24.920 pretty confident that I'm going to like them. And I 0:21:24.960 --> 0:21:27.239 was kind of, I guess, the way the people were 0:21:27.280 --> 0:21:30.199 talking about it and some of the like stills I 0:21:30.240 --> 0:21:32.840 was seeing on Twitter, I was kind of expecting a 0:21:32.960 --> 0:21:37.360 succession vibe for some reasons. I guess I thought like, oh, 0:21:37.400 --> 0:21:41.600 this is Apple TV's succession and it's so not. It 0:21:41.760 --> 0:21:46.040 is okay to give you the logline. Severance takes place 0:21:46.080 --> 0:21:50.320 in a world where people can have a procedure done 0:21:50.359 --> 0:21:54.120 called severance, where when they go to work they completely 0:21:54.240 --> 0:21:58.960 forget their outside lives and become this blank slate persona, 0:21:59.400 --> 0:22:02.040 and when they leave work, they can't remember ever anything 0:22:02.080 --> 0:22:05.359 that happened there. So it's essentially like bifurcating these people 0:22:05.400 --> 0:22:08.200 and like kind of lobotomizing them literally. It's it's starring 0:22:08.240 --> 0:22:14.520 Adam Scott, Patricia arquette Um and directed by Ben Mark. 0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:16.840 He's been working on it for like five or six 0:22:16.920 --> 0:22:19.560 years or yeah, and it's really creepy. I think the 0:22:19.680 --> 0:22:23.720 cinematography is really beautiful and the show, if you watch 0:22:23.760 --> 0:22:27.120 the trailer, the trailer very succinctly kind of shows you 0:22:27.200 --> 0:22:29.359 a little bit of what you're trying to sign up for. 0:22:29.800 --> 0:22:34.360 And I thought that it would maybe be more ham 0:22:34.400 --> 0:22:38.480 fisted in its critique of, like, you know, the workforce, 0:22:38.600 --> 0:22:41.280 or in its critique on like capital and our relationships 0:22:41.320 --> 0:22:45.040 to like our work. But I actually feel like what 0:22:45.200 --> 0:22:49.879 the show tries to say about work is not too 0:22:49.960 --> 0:22:54.520 heavy because it prioritizes the suspended tention totally. It's much 0:22:54.520 --> 0:22:57.640 more about the storytelling that about any sort of like 0:22:57.960 --> 0:23:01.520 think PC metaphors. Yes, to be totally honest, this show 0:23:01.680 --> 0:23:04.960 is maybe not as much to my taste, because the 0:23:05.040 --> 0:23:07.320 suspended attention is something that like, I feel like I 0:23:07.320 --> 0:23:09.160 need a buddy while I'm watching it. It is actually 0:23:09.320 --> 0:23:12.600 very very spooky, It's very tense. The show reminds me 0:23:12.760 --> 0:23:17.439 a little bit of how you experience wand division in 0:23:17.520 --> 0:23:21.200 that when you go into it for a lot of 0:23:21.240 --> 0:23:24.000 the a lot of time you're kind of like, what 0:23:24.040 --> 0:23:26.960 am I watching? Like you spend a lot of time 0:23:27.119 --> 0:23:30.040