1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: today's best minds, and an NBC News poll says Democrats 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: have a five point advantage to take back Congress. We 5 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: have such a great show for you today. The Lincoln 6 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: Project's Own with Wilson joins us to discuss the White 7 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: House melting down over leaked tapes of their meetings on 8 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: the Ebstein Files. Then we'll talk to New Mexico Governor 9 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 1: Michelle Luhan Grisham about universal childcare and how her state 10 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: is delivering it. But first the news. 11 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 2: Smiley Trump is apparently, after forty tries, going to actually 12 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 2: end this war in Iran, which is good because we're 13 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:48,520 Speaker 2: running out of boil. 14 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 3: That seems pretty bad, huh. 15 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: I mean again, will he end the war in Iran? 16 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: Israel is bombing the suburbs of Lebanon, so Donald Trump 17 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: is not going to be able to get this war 18 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: over until Israel stops bombing Lebanon. And Donald Trump does 19 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 1: not seem to have any control over nan Yahoo, So 20 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: until that happens, I think that Donald Trump is going 21 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: to talk a lot of smack. But whether or not 22 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: he actually does it, I think is a real question. 23 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: And that's where we are at this moment. 24 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 3: Now. 25 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: The problem is there are these cliffs for oil refiners. 26 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: There's a certain amount of oil that are sort of 27 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: stockpiled in different places, and we never filled up our 28 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: oil stockpiles to begin with a normal government making normal plans, 29 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: even Republicans, even a Bush government, a normal government would 30 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 1: have said, well, we're going to bomb the Iranians. Not 31 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,119 Speaker 1: a great idea, but we're going to fill up our 32 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: oil reserves so that we have it. But they never 33 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: did that. And so fast forward we are on day 34 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: one hundred and five of this very short war, which 35 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: is not a wool are where the straits are open 36 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: but also closed. And now, according to the US Energy 37 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: Information Administration, which still seems to give out legit information 38 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: in are otherwise nineteen eighty fourish world, there's little more 39 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 1: than half of the forty million barrels they usually store. 40 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: The tanks are effectively empty, with only unusable sledge remaining. 41 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: That's right, baby, unusable sludge. Is that going to be 42 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: my new nickname? Unusable sledge remaining? That's how my voice 43 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: feels right now. 44 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,959 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, you know you remind me of two things 45 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 2: that Trump would be bitching about Biden with the oil 46 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 2: reserves when gas prices would go up. Hmmm, it's always 47 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 2: funny how there's always a tweet. Secondly, when you were 48 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 2: talking about net Yahoo, there's this great reporting that Trump 49 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 2: said to Axios that Netnaho has quote unquote no fucking judgment. 50 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 1: When he's right, he's right, and he seems to be 51 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: right about that. Look Ya, this is the problem with 52 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: a foreign country, whether it be a big country or 53 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: small country, a country that you know, some of us 54 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: who are Jewish feel some emotional connection to other countries, 55 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:16,239 Speaker 1: have other goals and they're not the same goals as 56 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: our goals. Now, Net Nyahu's goal happens to be to 57 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: stay in office so he doesn't go to jail. So 58 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: it happens to also be Trump's goal. But they need 59 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: to leave Lebanon alone. And that's the only way we're 60 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: getting this piece deal going, and that's the only way 61 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: that oil prices will go down. 62 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 3: Though. 63 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, I think, is about to find out that 64 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: it is much easier to make prices go up than 65 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: make them go down. 66 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. 67 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 2: So, more interesting reporting that we have as CNN is 68 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 2: reporting that Trump literally like we were ours from having 69 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 2: boots on the ground in Iram. 70 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: I mean all of us saw that and could tell 71 00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: and basically they wanted to seize the enriched uranium, which, 72 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: by the way, would have been a fucking I mean, 73 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: you don't have to be a military expert to know 74 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: that sending American men and women into Iran to go 75 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: underground to seize uranium dust and then take it with 76 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: them would have been a fucking disaster. I mean, there 77 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: is no world where this would have ended in anything 78 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 1: but tears. So we're very lucky that this didn't happen. 79 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 1: It would have been insanely difficult, an anonymous source told CNN. 80 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: I mean, it would have been a huge, huge effort 81 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 1: with a lot, a lot of troops. And also, by 82 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: the way, again like this is poor planning on the 83 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: part of the Trump administration, which you know, you don't 84 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 1: even need to say it, it's an oxymoron. But we 85 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: don't have any allies going into this thing except the Israelis, 86 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 1: So going into it alone, huge amount of ground troops 87 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: in there to get something that you know, supposedly I 88 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: was told was destroyed or is hidden undergro it would 89 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 1: have been a fucking disaster. And we're really lucky that 90 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: whoever convinced Trump not to do it was able to yep. 91 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 2: So, speaking of convincing Trump, you know, he is trying 92 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 2: to save the Same Act after it really was dealt 93 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 2: a death knell last week. But now his plan is 94 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 2: that since Congress loves the reauthorized PHIZA type bills, that 95 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 2: he'll attach it to that. 96 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: The reason that Donald Trump is so interested in making 97 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: it harder to vote is because he too is seeing 98 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: these incredibly bad points and he too understands that he 99 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: has fucked. And so this is this PHIZA renewal. Members 100 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 1: of Congress love PHIZA. They really want to have warrantless surveillance. 101 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 1: That's their thing, that's their beat. This is another like 102 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: post nine to eleven thing that probably should not be existing. 103 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: But anyway, so here's the deal Trump is hoping to 104 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: put this attached to it. Let's just pull back for 105 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 1: a minute. The same Act federalizes elections, it restricts mail 106 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: in voting. It is basically just trying to make it 107 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: harder and harder to vote so that he doesn't lose 108 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: on the midterms. He's going to lose the midterms unless 109 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: he can make it so there aren't any more elections, 110 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: which I wouldn't put it past him, but I think 111 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 1: he can't, and so he just is constantly trying to 112 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: get this thing going thet I'm against fize if it 113 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: doesn't come with the Save America Act, and then in 114 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: parentheses with a big explanation, point full version, it ain't 115 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: getna pass, baby, you don't have the votes and you're 116 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:35,919 Speaker 1: not going to kill the filibuster. And John Thune already 117 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 1: said no. So good luck, buddy, good luck. Got some first. 118 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: Rick Wilson is the founder of the Lincoln Project in 119 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: the host of the Lincoln Project podcast, Welcome, Welcome, Rick Wilson, Hello, Molly, 120 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: I sound amazing, but luckily I. 121 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 4: Can you if your voice is raw, I'll talk a lot. 122 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: Excellent, even better Donald Trump. Trump administration is a little 123 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: bit concerned. And you know what's funny. When I read 124 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 1: the reporting from Maggie and John in the New York Times, 125 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: I thought, how are they telling these quotes verbatim? How 126 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: would they know unless someone was there or Lordie, there 127 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: were tapes. 128 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, and while you can't get a recording inside the 129 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 4: sit room, they don't let you take technology in the 130 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 4: situation room. I mean literally nothing more than like a 131 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 4: notepad and a pen. Bondi, Patel, and Bongino had joined 132 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 4: the meeting by conference call, and so the fear that 133 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 4: the White House has now is that there is a 134 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 4: live recording of this call. Now, setting aside for a 135 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 4: moment the legality of doing that in DC, and consider 136 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 4: what it means if there's a call where you've got 137 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 4: Dan Bongino yelling at Todd Blanche and Pam Bondy, where 138 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 4: you've got Susie Wiles and the rest of them, where 139 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 4: you've got them JD Vance talking about a conspiracy to 140 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 4: cover up the Epstein matter. I think this is the 141 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 4: point a lot of people missed in reading this. This 142 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 4: was a meeting in a situation room where they thought 143 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 4: it was secure. But you know, the secret is only 144 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 4: as valuable as the weakest person keeping it. And with 145 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 4: three of those people who were on the outside of 146 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 4: the of the Trump inner White House circle eg. Bondi, Patel, 147 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 4: and Bongino, and who were literally not there in person, 148 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 4: it takes zero seconds to go on your phone and 149 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 4: click voice record, and if that recording exists, it is 150 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 4: now as dangerous to the Trump administration, as you know, 151 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 4: Donald Trump with pictures of little girls, because they're they're 152 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 4: engaged in a you know, if I may quote the wire, 153 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,359 Speaker 4: are you taking notes at a criminal conspiracy? 154 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 3: They were, Yeah. 155 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: So this is I think one of the things that 156 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: was lost and it's sort of obvious, but it's really true, 157 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: is that they had met in this situation room to 158 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: cover up Epstein yep. 159 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 4: And they were talking about how they could not only 160 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 4: manipulate the news about the Epstein files, but also how 161 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 4: they could handle Glaine Maxwell. Yes, and the entire thing 162 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 4: is such an obvious and clumsy and dumb conspiracy, But 163 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 4: that doesn't make it less devastating, That doesn't make it less. 164 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: Horrible, right, And it is really feels very much like Nixon. 165 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 4: Oh gosh, Yes, Molly completely completely here with the strong 166 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 4: Nixon vibe and that idea, that idea that people at 167 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 4: the top levels of the government literally meet in the 168 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 4: White House to discuss an ongoing criminal conspiracy. 169 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 3: The mind, she boggles. 170 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 4: Yes, because there's no reason to have this kind of 171 00:09:55,400 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 4: conversation unless you intend to engage in that room, unless 172 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 4: you intend to engage in something where no one can 173 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 4: ever hear about it where there's no possibility of it leaking, 174 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 4: where it's not going to be overheard by some RANDO staffers. 175 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 4: The whole thing stinks on ice. And now the other 176 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 4: thing that people have not yet fully processed on this. 177 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 4: What we're going to see in the coming weeks and 178 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 4: certainly next year, is that members of Congress who have 179 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 4: been lied to by Bondi, by Patel, by Bongino, by 180 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 4: Todd Blanche are going to be called back before the 181 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 4: committee and it is not going to go well. They're 182 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 4: going to have to answer and on this day, tell 183 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:39,679 Speaker 4: me more about this criminal conspiracy you were engaged in 184 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 4: in the situation room and then don't get to go 185 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 4: no situation room, hands off, can't talk about it. We 186 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:48,199 Speaker 4: now know who the terrain of the conspirators is, including 187 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 4: Suzy Wiles. We now know the date of this meeting. 188 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 4: We now that since that meeting occurred, Blanche, Bongino, Patel, 189 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 4: and Bondi have all been in front of Congress lying 190 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 4: about the discussions over the Ebstein files. These people, and 191 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 4: I say this with all the respect in the world 192 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 4: that they deserved, are fucking idiots. 193 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: So I think then this goes to the bigger question 194 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: who is who is the taper? 195 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 4: So I'm just going to randomly assert this, somebody needed 196 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:23,079 Speaker 4: insurance in that meeting. And the person who's not a lawyer, 197 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 4: who's not a he's wealthy, but he's not protected at 198 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 4: the same level a lot of the other ones are 199 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 4: is Bongino. And I had heard something once before, somebody 200 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 4: told me once before. I never ran it down that 201 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 4: he had recorded some conversation or had a recording of 202 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:40,439 Speaker 4: some conversation not about this, about saying well, long and long, 203 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 4: long time ago. 204 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 3: And what I'm. 205 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 4: Fascinated by is he's clearly one of the leakers in 206 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 4: this story. To them, he's clearly one of the people 207 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 4: driving his protecting Bongino narrative in the story that was 208 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,559 Speaker 4: published in The Times as an excerpt from Maggie and 209 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 4: John's book. 210 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, there are a couple who clearly are leaking, right. 211 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 1: One of them is JD. Vans, who is Vance. 212 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,319 Speaker 3: JD Vance is leaking like a fricking. 213 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 1: Sieve, right and JD Vance. You know Jade Vance is 214 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: leaking because at every point it says and then JD Vance, 215 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: who doesn't like war and was never for this, but 216 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 1: whyted to back the president because yeah, that kind of thing, like. 217 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 3: Answer is so loyal to Donald Trump. 218 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:30,319 Speaker 1: Right, he loves Donald Trump but doesn't like war because 219 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: he doesn't believe in it. But he does believe in 220 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: a strong economy, you know, that kind of thing. 221 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 3: Transparent as hell. 222 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: Right, So, and it definitely seems like Marco also a leaker. 223 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 1: Susie Wiles definitely a league. And again, when we say 224 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: that we think Vance is a leaker, we don't necessarily 225 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 1: mean Vance. It can be Vance's jeffuty chief of staff. 226 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: It can be. 227 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,439 Speaker 4: And by the way, his chief of staff this week 228 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 4: suddenly departed the White House at the speed of heat. 229 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: Right, and did he go to me? 230 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 3: I thought that was fascinating, didn't you? 231 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 1: I mean, did he go to a super pack? Where'd 232 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:05,839 Speaker 1: he go? 233 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 3: I don't. 234 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,079 Speaker 4: I haven't announced it yet. Now, look, he could be 235 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 4: leaving to star J. D. Vance's presidential campaign, but it 236 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:15,439 Speaker 4: also felt a little like there was something off about it, 237 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 4: at least in my mind. 238 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,839 Speaker 1: So the thing is, when we say someone is leaking, 239 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: it doesn't necessarily mean them. It could be their right, 240 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: their team, right, their team. But that said, Susie Wiles 241 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: does talk to everyone and is extremely well ensconced in 242 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: the dec. 243 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, don't don't. Don't be fool folks that Susie 244 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 4: Wiles is some sort of sphinxlike creature right at the 245 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 4: center of the White House. 246 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: And you know that Susie Wiles talks to everyone. Another 247 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: key is that Susie Wiles is always portrayed very positively. 248 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, she's the smart one. 249 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 1: And when you're a leaker or you have proxies that 250 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: leak that are related to you, you tend to have 251 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: better coverage than the people who don't leave, say Jared 252 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: and Ivanka are a pretty good example of that, right. 253 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 3: Right, yep, absolutely right. 254 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 4: And look, I think it's really important to look at 255 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:18,199 Speaker 4: this White House with the understanding that everybody there now 256 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 4: knows that the clock is running down. And I don't 257 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 4: just mean for twenty twenty eight. I mean the clock 258 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 4: is running down for the moment where the Republicans no 259 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 4: longer have control of Congress, and so they're all starting 260 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 4: to play out their scenarios like how do I protect myself, 261 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 4: how do I make sure my political future is safe 262 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 4: and ensured? How do I because that's Marco and JD 263 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 4: in particular thinking about that, and how do I make 264 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 4: sure that when you're looking around at legal and political downsides, 265 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 4: we blame the unlikable people in the administration, and. 266 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: The voices from outside the tent are so loud. It 267 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: was a New York Times article this weekend about Trump 268 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: losing his base. The last fashion of Trump is white, 269 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: not yep. And it's again it's the women first, which 270 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: I think is important to differentiate. Right, it's the women 271 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: who are a little bit smarter, which is always true 272 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: and sorry, but it's the women first. But ultimately, even white, 273 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: non college educated men are not into it. 274 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 4: What has happened is there's finally been this unshakable core 275 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 4: of Trump, non college white men, particularly in the South 276 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 4: of the Midwest, who's stuck with him and stuck with 277 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 4: him and stuck with him, and nothing seemed to move them, 278 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 4: nothing seemed to bump them off of Trump, nothing seemed 279 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 4: to ever get through to them. Well, six dollar gas 280 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 4: got through to them. And those folks now are the 281 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 4: disappointment they feel about Trump, the anger they feel about 282 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 4: what's happening are sort of link together. Now they don't 283 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 4: get that free pass anymore of oh, well you know 284 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 4: I'm going to be I'm broke, and I'm going to 285 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 4: lose my job to AI and They're going to put 286 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 4: a data center in my backyard. And gas is six 287 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 4: bucks a gallon, and food is going up ten percent 288 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 4: a month. But at least we don't have any gay 289 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 4: kids playing soccer or whatever whatever. That doesn't work anymore, 290 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 4: That stopped working, And I just think that that is 291 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 4: something that the damage of that to the Trump movement 292 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 4: is driving a lot of that we just talked about. 293 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 3: If jd Vance looks at this and. 294 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 4: Says, well, shit, if white working classmen have left the 295 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 4: GOP because of Trump, maybe I'll go into venture capital 296 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 4: instead of running for president. There's a lot wound up 297 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 4: in that entire question that I think no one inside 298 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 4: the Republican Party has processed completely. Yet they really thought 299 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 4: those those white working class voters were there forever? 300 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think they did. I also think that 301 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: what we see with Trump at this moment is that 302 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: he seems not to think like for whatever reason. Maybe 303 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,199 Speaker 1: it's a function of him being eighty now, but I 304 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 1: don't think he thinks he can lose those voters, even 305 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 1: though he already has. 306 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 4: He continues to believe that working class voters I mean 307 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 4: this in the most cynical way possible, because he's the 308 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 4: most cynical person possible. He thinks they're too dumb to 309 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 4: leave him. He thinks today are easily tricked by you know, 310 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 4: the big talk and the Trump show at the rallies. 311 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 3: And I really think he believes that. 312 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 4: But they're a lot smarter than he gives them credit for, 313 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 4: because right now they are looking at this election cycle 314 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 4: and saying, Okay, they're not liberals, they're not progressive, they're 315 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 4: not liberals, they're not center left, they're still pretty conservative. 316 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 4: But they now realize who's fucking them over, and it's him. 317 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: So now let's talk about the cage match at the 318 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 1: White House. Sixteen percent of Americans think it's appropriate. Thirty 319 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: one percent of Republicans think cage match at the White 320 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 1: House is appropriate. I mean that means a third of 321 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: all Trumpers aren't into it. 322 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 4: This is this is about as popular as you know 323 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:19,239 Speaker 4: Donald Trump at a Kinsinnia. This is not nobody wants this 324 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 4: accept him. Yeah, and look, I think it also attaches 325 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 4: to that, to that issue we're just talking about, why 326 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 4: are white working class voters leaving Trump? It's because no 327 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,360 Speaker 4: matter how many how much bread and circuses you put 328 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 4: in front of them. The circus is not helping them economically. 329 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 4: None of this stuff about UFC or WWE or anything else. 330 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 3: He thought those things helped. 331 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 4: Him win in twenty twenty four, and you do make 332 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 4: an argument they did, right, But this none of what 333 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 4: he's doing now is helping them. And so the idea 334 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 4: that they're going to give him a pass on everything 335 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 4: and that this is the sort of event that will 336 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 4: be enough to offset all the terrible shit he's done 337 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 4: to them and the damage that's happened in their lives 338 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 4: because of all this economic stuff. I think he's really 339 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 4: in a bad spot. 340 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 3: Molly. Yeah. 341 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: Another thing is he's sort of below fifty on inflations. 342 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: His numbers are insane. The MMA, right, the MMA is 343 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 1: is a very Republican sport, which I think is important. Right, 344 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 1: That's the reason he's doing it. He's got and Dana 345 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: White is a friend of his. 346 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 3: Is also he's making money. He's making money off the 347 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 3: deal from what. 348 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 1: I read, right, No, I was going to say he's 349 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: profiting every which way because he's got a Trump coin. 350 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: He's got to deal with them, He's got to They're 351 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: using the White House. I mean, there was this thing 352 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 1: called the Hatch Act. 353 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 4: It still is, it still exists. It's just sort of 354 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 4: more in the breach than the observance. 355 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: It's this theoretical right, Yeah, explain what the Hatch Act is. 356 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:52,400 Speaker 4: Hatch Act is a federal act that forbids federal employees 357 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 4: from engaging in political behavior ni ge. A federal employee cannot, 358 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:01,400 Speaker 4: on his worktime go out and campaign for a candidate, 359 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 4: or go out and advocate for a candidate to be 360 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 4: elected or defeated. What we're seeing right now is the 361 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 4: Hatch Act is so far in the rearview mirror now 362 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 4: it's kind of absurd. And the problem with this is 363 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 4: they've converted the White House into sort of the marketing 364 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 4: center for a whole array of Trump enterprises and activities 365 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 4: and shenanigans and cons and whatever. And I really keep 366 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 4: going back to this, Molly, because I think it's so important. 367 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:33,239 Speaker 4: Those working class white voters. They may love UFC, they 368 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 4: may love it, they may think it's the greatest thing ever, 369 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 4: but this event is not going to help a single 370 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 4: one of them afford gas, or health insurance or groceries. 371 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 3: Not one. 372 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 4: And for the Democrats, this is a gift being handed 373 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:52,239 Speaker 4: to them on the proverbial silver platter. They should be 374 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 4: in absolutely heaven on this because every day Trump is 375 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,400 Speaker 4: given the chance to say, like, to do the right 376 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 4: thing and try to walk back some of this inflation stuff, 377 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 4: and he won't take it. 378 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, he won't do it. He's stubborn. 379 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 4: And I think a lot of people have gotten to 380 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 4: the point they're just like, nope, I gave him every chance. 381 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 3: I can't keep touching the hot stove. We're done. 382 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,439 Speaker 1: It's funny because it's like, I think you can do 383 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: the culture wars bullshit. If gas is two dollars three 384 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,919 Speaker 1: dollars a gallon, ye, and people are very comfortable and 385 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: they're not you know, they don't even know what government 386 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: is for. 387 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,479 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, they don't want to a lot of those 388 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 4: folks that are suffering the most are people who were 389 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,400 Speaker 4: low intensity voters to begin with, and they don't want 390 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,719 Speaker 4: to think about this stuff every day. They don't want 391 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 4: to worry about this crap. They don't want to think 392 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 4: about this stuff. But Trump has forced it into this 393 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:50,640 Speaker 4: frame that they're in now where they have to think 394 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 4: about it. Gas costs too much. They can't get away 395 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 4: from it. It's there in their face every day. 396 00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I. 397 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:04,360 Speaker 4: Think he is, really he's lost that step on this 398 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 4: thing because people go in the Oval office and every 399 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 4: time a cabinet member is there, they say, mister President, 400 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 4: no one loves you more than the the shrimp. 401 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,679 Speaker 3: Farmers or the shrimp fishermen. And he'll say, great for 402 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 3: the shrimp piers. They love me. 403 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 4: I love them, and no one, no one around him 404 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 4: is like, yeah, but the whole industry is being destroyed 405 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:23,159 Speaker 4: because you comed up with Terry. 406 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. 407 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 4: No one will tell him that. You know, at this point, 408 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 4: I'm not asking them to. I want them to persist 409 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,400 Speaker 4: in their delusions as long as possible. 410 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: It is true though, And like when you look at 411 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 1: those Iowa numbers, I mean, Iowa feels like the canary 412 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: and the coal mine, I mean Iowa. You know, when 413 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: you look at this peace in the Times, which is 414 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 1: really smart about Trump losing white working class voters, it 415 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: has a couple of really good examples, Iowa being one 416 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: of them. And even you know. 417 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 4: You mean, we're seeing we're seeing this, We're seeing the 418 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 4: breakdown MALLI in states in the South and the Midwest 419 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 4: that it should not traditionally or even rationally be happening 420 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 4: in but it's happening across the country because he won't 421 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,360 Speaker 4: accept even well meaning counsel on the economy, and people 422 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,679 Speaker 4: keep begging him like, please stop talking about X and 423 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:18,159 Speaker 4: talk about why. Well, he doesn't want to talk about why. 424 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 4: He wants to talk about the reflecting pool or the 425 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 4: Kennedy Center or or any number of other things that 426 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 4: he's obsessed about. 427 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,679 Speaker 1: Even if and this is a problem that the Biden 428 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: administration had too, which is even if you want to 429 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 1: talk about the right things, even if you want to say, like, look, 430 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: we're entering manufacturing, it's going to take a while, which 431 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 1: they're not. But even if you were going to make 432 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,239 Speaker 1: that case, people don't believe it unless they're living it, 433 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:45,880 Speaker 1: and they're not loving it. 434 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:47,880 Speaker 3: No, not at all, Molly. 435 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 4: And I think I think it's really important we keep 436 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 4: that we keep up that cadence of that discussion because 437 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 4: the Democrats will be tempted, just because God love them, 438 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 4: they'll be tempted to go, well, we've got this election 439 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:00,199 Speaker 4: in the bags. 440 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 3: Talk about climate change, right. 441 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 4: Well, whatever it is. And the really important part here 442 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 4: is stay on the economy and the economy and the economy, 443 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 4: because if we do that, this is a terrain that 444 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 4: Trump is telling us every day. He doesn't want to 445 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 4: fight on. He doesn't want to talk about it. He 446 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 4: doesn't like it. It bores him, it's not fun, it's 447 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 4: not interesting to him anymore, right, And what he's interested 448 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:29,400 Speaker 4: in is, you know, YOUFC matches and arches and ballrooms. 449 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 5: Yeah. 450 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: I think these guys are in a shit storm of 451 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: their own making. And so for that we say thanks. 452 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 3: Donald. 453 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: Michelle Luhan Grisham is the governor of New Mexico. Welcome, 454 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: Welcome governor. 455 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 5: Thank you, Mollie. 456 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: So you're here to talk about New Mexico, which is 457 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: his state, and also your incredible tenure there. It's a 458 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,199 Speaker 1: stay close to my heart. My eldest son went to 459 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: college here, he is just graduated. But it's also a 460 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: state that is is the first to offer free universal childcare. 461 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 5: You I like that enthusiasm all it's amazing Democrats and 462 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 5: I am one of them, proudly. So talk about issues 463 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 5: of both affordability, workforce development, moving an economy, making sure 464 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 5: that we have gender equality, all the things, and then 465 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 5: we nibble at the edges, which I think that that 466 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 5: has really frustrated. So many Americans, certainly so many New Mexicans, 467 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 5: and in New Mexico, where are you know? Our generational 468 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 5: poverty is so deep rooted. We have to do more 469 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 5: than nibble. We have to go full bore all the 470 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 5: way ahead. So in eighteen I said we were going 471 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 5: to do universal pre K and we were going to 472 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 5: use that model to get us to universal childcare. And 473 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 5: childcare was the harder one, but we did both, and 474 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 5: we moved childhood poverty from fiftieth in the United States 475 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 5: to twenty third. In two years, new supplemental data will 476 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 5: come out. We expect another dramatic drop. It's the largest 477 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 5: drop in America's history. And more importantly, I have got stability. 478 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 5: I have equity. I have developmental supports for families in childcare, 479 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 5: and it's enshrined in the constitution. No one in New 480 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 5: Mexico has to pay for childcare ever again. And we 481 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 5: are building systems that can meet families in every context. 482 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 5: That's probably the last small hurdle as we finish the race. 483 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,919 Speaker 5: You know, some kiddos and families have unique issues, unique 484 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 5: challenges that we want to make sure we have a 485 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 5: childcare system that meets them. 486 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: Where they are, had you do it well. 487 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 5: We did it in a couple of different ways. We 488 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,919 Speaker 5: did not have a knee jerk reaction too. We just 489 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 5: got to do it because then you spend more time 490 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 5: fixing the things that don't work and less time really 491 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 5: advancing these productive solutions. So number one, we created a department. 492 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 5: It's got a wonky name. We used the acronym ECCD. 493 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 5: It's the Early Childcare and Education Department. It's got careen there. 494 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 5: We were very deliberate about that, and we established that 495 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 5: right in twenty nineteen, right out of the gate. In 496 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 5: twenty we put together money into a trust fund. In 497 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 5: twenty one we asked the voters to get ready to 498 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 5: enshrine it in the constitution. And all the while, we 499 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 5: put all the government programs together, home visiting, infant toddler services. 500 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 5: We developed the Universal pre K, we did four year olds, 501 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 5: we did three year olds. We made a public private 502 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 5: we made it completely free. We had UCLA come out 503 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 5: and say it's an amazing program. So now we've got 504 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,880 Speaker 5: write some real data behind it. And then we went 505 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 5: to two hundred percent of poverty. Nobody does that in America. 506 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:50,439 Speaker 1: What does public private mean? 507 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 5: It means that it's not all tied to a public 508 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 5: education system so that their government or one model. So 509 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 5: you can be for profit, can be faith based, nonprofit, 510 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 5: you can be part of education. You can be city 511 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 5: or county or state. We have a state program in 512 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,880 Speaker 5: one of our buildings. We need more. So we were 513 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 5: completely agnostic to who the providers were, as long as 514 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:20,400 Speaker 5: they're trained, licensed and certified. And that has really created momentum. 515 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 5: And in November, when I said nobody should have copays, 516 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 5: nobody should be paying at all, we went to universal. 517 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 5: We've added two hundred and sixty one new providers and 518 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 5: we added just under fourteen thousand new kiddos, eighteen thousand 519 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 5: families affected. I think it's one of the most exciting 520 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 5: things happening in America. One point six million women in 521 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 5: America choose to go back to work with free childcare. 522 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: As someone who adds lots of kids who are old now, 523 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 1: I know as a working mom, I know it's a nightmare. 524 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: How do you make sure that the center's like so 525 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: basically everyone can drop you can just drop your kid 526 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: off anywhere basically, right, I mean, it's a place you 527 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 1: can drop your kid off for childcare. 528 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 3: Right. 529 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 5: I mean, we don't have you register at the state 530 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 5: level so that you can just show up on announced, 531 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 5: because then you've got so many kids in a program 532 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 5: not enough staff. So you sign up at the local 533 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 5: childcare of your choice. We make sure they're trained, certified. 534 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 5: We pay the childcare for your enrollment, so money doesn't 535 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 5: go to parents, it goes directly to the providers. We 536 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 5: have a floor for what you can pay a childcare worker. 537 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 5: It's eighteen dollars from New Mexico. That's quite good. It's 538 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:36,959 Speaker 5: not good, right, we have long discriminated against largely women 539 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 5: in this kind of caregiving. 540 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 1: Develop it's a pretty good job. That's pretty good. 541 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, and we're working on that's the floor. The ceiling is, 542 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 5: please get a master's, get a PhD, go to college, which, 543 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 5: by the way, as you know, we also have free college, 544 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 5: so that there's no wrong door to supporting growth in 545 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 5: the industry and supporting families. While the rest of them 546 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 5: America has seen a rapid decline in childcare workforce opportunities, 547 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 5: New Mexico seen as sixty four percent growth. 548 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 1: So how do you pay for this number one? And 549 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: how do you make sure that these childcare establishments are safe, 550 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 1: registered and do what they need to do for the kids. 551 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 5: So we have an entire robust I'll do the last question. First. Look, 552 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 5: we are auditing these programs, we are going on site 553 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 5: to these programs. We require training, so we have a 554 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 5: relationship with you. We know you, we know your building 555 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 5: looks like. We've got a robust system for complaints for 556 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 5: parents and staff so that we know what's happening too. 557 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 5: We also allow now for universal childcare to be a 558 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 5: family provider or a neighbor down the street. Now, I 559 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 5: never had any idea what was going on in those 560 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 5: small home provider environments. That's a model I used when 561 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 5: my kids were little. It was great. But people have said, oh, 562 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 5: how do you know those are safe? Well, we didn't 563 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 5: know about them at all before. Now you've got to 564 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 5: be certify and licensed and trained. So now we've got 565 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 5: a relationship with those providers, which enhances we think the 566 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 5: safety outcomes. They're all required to provide data to us, 567 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 5: so you can't just have kids and get a check 568 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 5: per kiddo, and then we have more money that goes 569 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 5: for infants. Right, the harder that class setting is, or 570 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,959 Speaker 5: that childcare setting is, and the more staff intensive. It 571 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 5: is the more money is available to you. So it's 572 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 5: a very dynamic model. There's a ton of training, a 573 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 5: ton of data, a ton of auditing. And remember we 574 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 5: built this over the last six years so that we 575 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 5: didn't just announce something one day and then try to 576 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 5: create a structure. We also think we're in a meaningful 577 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 5: position to replicate it. And the most important question, it 578 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 5: is not inexpensive for states to do if you're going 579 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 5: to do it right. This is not where your low 580 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 5: balling system. This is about investing in children and families. 581 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 5: And so we're saving the average family about thirteen thousand 582 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 5: dollars a year per child, not unsubstantial in many states, 583 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 5: including hours childcare expenses. We're more than your mortgage. States 584 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 5: are supposed to create systems so you don't pay more 585 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 5: than seven percent of your total annual income on childcare. 586 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 5: No state except New Mexico now is meeting that has 587 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 5: ever met that standard. And this is how we pay 588 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 5: for it. We're in energy state. We sofked away oil 589 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 5: and gas money, and we do it in two ways. One, 590 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 5: we have a large, huge education endowment. It's nearing seventy billion. 591 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 5: We asked voters to approve a constitutional amendment to allow 592 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 5: us to increase the percentage of that fund to come 593 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 5: into early childhood education, so about a point and a 594 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 5: quarter more, and some of it goes to K through twelve, 595 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 5: but the vast majority goes to this zero to five. 596 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 5: In addition, we created a trust fund using other surplus 597 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 5: oil and gas funds, seated with three hundred million. We 598 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 5: use that money. It's now eleven billion dollars and growing. 599 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 5: And the legislature, for the first time in its history, 600 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 5: did a five year funding model, authorizing money from the 601 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 5: trust fund, authorizing regular state budget money like we do 602 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 5: for any department, any program, and we've maintained that percentage 603 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 5: point and a quarter that goes into the system. States 604 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 5: have to figure out their revenue systems. First. We didn't 605 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 5: raise taxes. We didn't you know, have this sort of 606 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 5: you know, you put the ball in a red cup 607 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 5: and move it around, so you don't know that it's free, 608 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 5: except that we raised your taxes by an extraordinary amount. 609 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 5: We didn't do any of that, but we built it 610 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 5: methodically and thoughtfully, and I think other states can do 611 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 5: the same. 612 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: I want you talk about the ACA enrollment numbers now too, 613 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 1: because this is another part of New Mexico's success here. 614 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 5: Well, I really appreciate your paying attention to what we're doing. 615 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 5: Same thing we are bullish on. Create a savings account, 616 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 5: put your emic revenues in there, and grow it. We 617 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 5: did the same thing. I created a thing called the 618 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 5: Patient Affordability Fund. Because I'm one of those governors that 619 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 5: got to be in Congress for Trump one. I know 620 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 5: exactly who we're dealing with. I was around for, you know, 621 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 5: the one hundred plus votes to just repeal the ACA. 622 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 5: Then there's never a plan, there's no healthcare reform. They 623 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 5: just don't want to pay for anything that makes a 624 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 5: difference or levels the playing field for Americans. That's the 625 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,360 Speaker 5: bottom line, that's the agenda. So it was important to 626 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 5: me to have this Patient Affordability Fund. And what it 627 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 5: does is it fully realizes the subsidies that were available 628 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,759 Speaker 5: under the Affordable Care Act when we kept the premium 629 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 5: tax at the federal level. So I was ready for 630 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 5: them to get rid of it, we kept it. We 631 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,359 Speaker 5: built a fund. It now serves about one hundred and 632 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 5: forty thousand New Mexicans. We added about one hundred and 633 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,359 Speaker 5: twenty two thousand or getting the subsidies full subsidies under 634 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 5: the Affordable Care Act. As a result, the Mexicans have 635 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:05,239 Speaker 5: not seen their premiums spike up the way they have 636 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,919 Speaker 5: around the rest of the country. And we've kept those 637 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 5: folks in the private marketplace and businesses. We cover small 638 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 5: businesses too. 639 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 1: So this sounds amazing New Mexico has. As someone who 640 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 1: spend some time there, it has a number of other 641 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 1: really weird problems. There's a blue state with a lot 642 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 1: of poverty too, and a lot of guns. You've done 643 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 1: so much sort of high level stuff, like getting this 644 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,319 Speaker 1: childcare thing, which is going to do crazy stuff for you. 645 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 1: When it comes to poverty, it's going to be amazing, 646 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 1: and for women and employment it's going to be awesome. 647 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 1: But what else can you do with the unique sort 648 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,360 Speaker 1: of situations you have. You know, it's just a very unique, 649 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,879 Speaker 1: complicated state with the reservations. I mean, it's just, you know. 650 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 5: It's very complicated. I love that you know this because 651 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,319 Speaker 5: so many people allay across America have no idea when 652 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 5: we have some real issues. We were a state that 653 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:03,360 Speaker 5: cancel in the last administration all the behavior health contracts, 654 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 5: so we had no behavior health system, which means public 655 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:11,880 Speaker 5: safety became an even bigger challenge typically is in states 656 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 5: with high poverty, so that translates to other public safety 657 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 5: issues and any number of things. So we are working 658 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 5: on all of that. We have put billions into public safety, 659 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 5: paying police officers and our sheriffs, more, requiring, more training, 660 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 5: more community policing that's coming online in a way that's 661 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,840 Speaker 5: really smart and productive. We've got the science of reading 662 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,440 Speaker 5: and literacy mandates. We've got a STEM Institute that's coming. 663 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,240 Speaker 5: We now believe that we'll see those trajectories be studying, 664 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 5: like our drop in childhood poverty. In our education system. 665 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 5: We have free college. We were ranked fortieth and overall 666 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,640 Speaker 5: college outcomes. Now we're ranked twentieth, and we have the 667 00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:01,280 Speaker 5: second highest college enrollment right behind massachu and the highest 668 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 5: enrollment of any state in America with first time families 669 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,840 Speaker 5: right for college goers, which is exactly what we want. 670 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 5: We're fifth in GDP growth, we're number one in wage growth, 671 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:16,440 Speaker 5: and so while we deal with generational poverty and housing 672 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 5: and food costs, we also kept all the snap benefits, 673 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,680 Speaker 5: where you know, we kept all of it, not part 674 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 5: of it, all of it. So if you're an energy state, 675 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,359 Speaker 5: and you have these resources, you know where that money 676 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,920 Speaker 5: ought to be going in the stability of your families. 677 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:34,279 Speaker 5: And so I'm bullish on New Mexico's future. And part 678 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,240 Speaker 5: of that is when you know where you come from, 679 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,880 Speaker 5: and you come from you know, hard working minority families, 680 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 5: were folks who know what's at stake, and they are 681 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:47,920 Speaker 5: so ready to change the trajectory forever in New Mexico. 682 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:52,719 Speaker 5: And I see that. I'm living it right now, and 683 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 5: I'm really proud of the work that's going on in 684 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,279 Speaker 5: the state at every level. And one last thing, a 685 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:03,200 Speaker 5: lot of this work has been completely bipartisan, which is 686 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,319 Speaker 5: also a design that is not occurring in America. It 687 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:11,480 Speaker 5: is us versus you. We're creating, you know, more anger 688 00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:16,560 Speaker 5: and dissatisfaction. And in New Mexico, we're trying to create 689 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:22,400 Speaker 5: relationships that these programs stand the test of time because 690 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:23,680 Speaker 5: they cannot be a one off. 691 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,960 Speaker 1: You're an energy state, You're a blue state. So there 692 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 1: are a lot of energy states. Alaska pays people, you know, 693 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:35,040 Speaker 1: Alaska pays people money to live there. Basically Arizona, Texas 694 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,520 Speaker 1: is the reason that you're able to do all this 695 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,120 Speaker 1: stuff because some of these places have democratic governors. Is 696 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,960 Speaker 1: it because you have a democratic state legislature? Is it 697 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,600 Speaker 1: because it's been blue for so long? Like, how are 698 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 1: you able to do this stuff at a place like 699 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 1: Arizona isn't right? 700 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 5: Well, a couple of reasons, I think, So I'm going 701 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:54,600 Speaker 5: to speculate with you right now. 702 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's interesting to me. Yeah. 703 00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 5: New Mexico was very purple, and I would the second 704 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:05,760 Speaker 5: member of Congress representing Albuquerque, basically the first congressional district, 705 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,759 Speaker 5: who is a Democrat. There are all these Republicans. We 706 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 5: always had a Republican senator US Senator and a Democratic 707 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,319 Speaker 5: US Senator. So this is a you know, in the 708 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,680 Speaker 5: last decade in our politics, things have really shifted. And 709 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 5: I think they've shifted for two reasons. One, we've done 710 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:26,520 Speaker 5: a really good job engaging younger people into the political mix. 711 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 5: It's easy, same day voter registration, automatic voter registration, so 712 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:36,120 Speaker 5: that folks are in the system earlier, their voices matter. 713 00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,760 Speaker 1: They have a whole really. 714 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:42,760 Speaker 5: Productive value system about fairness and being able to realize 715 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,160 Speaker 5: the American dream and really feeling like they can't achieve that, 716 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:50,360 Speaker 5: particularly with housing. So that has really pushed these forward 717 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,839 Speaker 5: thinking policies. And lastly, the Democratic Party and the Democratic 718 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 5: legislature and many Democrats in local elected positions. I was 719 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,600 Speaker 5: one of those first. And the Bernoleal County Commission is 720 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:06,680 Speaker 5: really understanding that if we don't invest upstream on these 721 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:10,080 Speaker 5: democratic values, we can't get to the other side of 722 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,759 Speaker 5: the river, and that has really shifted so much of 723 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:18,120 Speaker 5: our political backgrounds. And then, last, and not least, women's issues, 724 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:23,320 Speaker 5: reproductive freedoms, reproductive rights, look, particularly minority voters, Hispanic voters, 725 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:28,600 Speaker 5: we care about our personal freedoms, and this Republican regime 726 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,560 Speaker 5: in the White House in particular says they're about that, 727 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,240 Speaker 5: and they never are. They're never about supporting your business, 728 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,200 Speaker 5: They're never about that tax relief for working families, they're 729 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:41,919 Speaker 5: never about affordability, and they certainly aren't about women's individual 730 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:47,120 Speaker 5: and family freedoms. And that does not resonate with minority voters, 731 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 5: and it doesn't make sense to New Mexico voters, which 732 00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,120 Speaker 5: is how I think we've become so blue. And we deliver, 733 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,880 Speaker 5: I mean, last, and most importantly, Democrats are delivering in 734 00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,280 Speaker 5: New Mexico on the issues that matter most of family. Please, 735 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,600 Speaker 5: and that you know, proof is in the putting, prove it, 736 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:08,239 Speaker 5: do it. These are very loyal voters who understand what 737 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,480 Speaker 5: it means to be a blue state, particularly in this 738 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:13,040 Speaker 5: federal environment. 739 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,280 Speaker 1: Very quick, last question, you want to be an early 740 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:17,160 Speaker 1: primary state. 741 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:17,680 Speaker 3: We do. 742 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,799 Speaker 5: Look, we think this notion that Hispanic voters in particular 743 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,240 Speaker 5: or Western states should be an afterthought because we're so small. 744 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,680 Speaker 5: That makes no sense the testing ground for these issues, 745 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:33,120 Speaker 5: particularly now on affordability. Just exactly what is it that 746 00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:37,000 Speaker 5: Democrats are proposing? And now these populist messages are happening 747 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,719 Speaker 5: from both parties. Nobody knows what that means. You need 748 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,880 Speaker 5: candidates on the ground talking of voters year long and 749 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:49,319 Speaker 5: making sure that we are proving out the policies that 750 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,880 Speaker 5: we are promoting. No better state to do that than 751 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,239 Speaker 5: a state that's done a lot of it and a 752 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,640 Speaker 5: state that would like to do more. I think New 753 00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,719 Speaker 5: Mexico has always been a bellwether state and now we 754 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,680 Speaker 5: could approving ground for Democrat again Republican candidates alike. 755 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,880 Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you. Governor Christian Mollie. 756 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,480 Speaker 5: It's so nice to be on your incredible show, and 757 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,480 Speaker 5: I'm looking forward to seeing you in person. 758 00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:17,480 Speaker 1: Yes, thank you, thank you, you're great. They no moment, 759 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,680 Speaker 1: Rick Wilson, Yes, Mollie, what is your moment of fucker? 760 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:24,280 Speaker 3: Gosh, my moment of fucker. 761 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,880 Speaker 4: I think this week has to include the beautiful reflecting 762 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:32,399 Speaker 4: pool with its fresh algae bloom, which and my wife, 763 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,200 Speaker 4: who was in the stem, who was in the sciency 764 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,160 Speaker 4: things explained to me. She goes, oh, no, look at 765 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:37,880 Speaker 4: there's a temperature gratiing. If you take it up a 766 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:39,880 Speaker 4: little bit with a darker paint color, it makes the 767 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:41,760 Speaker 4: algae grow one hundred and seventy percent faster. 768 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, like, of course it does well, of course, because 769 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:45,840 Speaker 3: these people are effing morons. 770 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,320 Speaker 1: If nobody ever said to them, like, if you painted 771 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,280 Speaker 1: it a lighter color, it's going to get warmer faster, 772 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:53,520 Speaker 1: no one. 773 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,799 Speaker 4: Ever said to them, don't do this at all. The 774 00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,600 Speaker 4: ironies here of how stupid they are abound. 775 00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,320 Speaker 1: And this is thirty million dollar no bid contract done 776 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,000 Speaker 1: under a special no bid clause because it was had 777 00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,239 Speaker 1: to be done immediately because it. 778 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,880 Speaker 4: A venor that's also done a lot of Trump properties. 779 00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:13,440 Speaker 3: Blah blah blah. 780 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,160 Speaker 1: You know it's good because Trump said that he knew 781 00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,720 Speaker 1: they were great, and then soon after Dizavad Ever, knowing them, 782 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:20,440 Speaker 1: of course. 783 00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,520 Speaker 4: I think what we're going to see here is that 784 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,719 Speaker 4: Trump himself will lose his mind about the nature of 785 00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:26,480 Speaker 4: the work. 786 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,480 Speaker 3: Because it's unspendable. You know. He's like, he'll be beautiful, 787 00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:30,480 Speaker 3: more beautiful than ever. 788 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:32,319 Speaker 4: And when it turns out that it looks just like 789 00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,200 Speaker 4: I did before, he's going to be angry. And he 790 00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,040 Speaker 4: won't be angry with himself, he'll be angry with the vendors, 791 00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:38,320 Speaker 4: because that's how he rolls. 792 00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,239 Speaker 1: And it also is this point that like he had 793 00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,200 Speaker 1: made a whole thing about how Biden couldn't fix it 794 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,279 Speaker 1: and he could fix it, and now he's going to 795 00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,520 Speaker 1: fix it, and Obama had spent so much money on 796 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,200 Speaker 1: it and it was so easy to fix it, and 797 00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,040 Speaker 1: he could fix it. And it's like, pull back for 798 00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,960 Speaker 1: a minute. There is no East Wing. It is still demolition. 799 00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:56,800 Speaker 3: Correct. 800 00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:01,719 Speaker 1: There is Kennedy's center covered in tarps because his name 801 00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:03,080 Speaker 1: was taken off of it. 802 00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:04,920 Speaker 3: He's such a delicate wooss. 803 00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,279 Speaker 4: He's like, oh, you've got to cover with tarp so 804 00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,200 Speaker 4: that no one will know my name was taken down. 805 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,360 Speaker 3: Bitch, we all know your name was taken down. 806 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,080 Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like they took someone else's name down. 807 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,880 Speaker 1: It's not like they took down Kennedy. So then that's 808 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:22,279 Speaker 1: covered in tarps. We have a reflecting pool filled with algae. 809 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:26,320 Speaker 1: Thirteen million dollars poor for that. And then Donald Trump 810 00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,040 Speaker 1: wants to build a triumphal arch. 811 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,440 Speaker 4: The arch, by the way, speaking from my pilot nerd perspective, 812 00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,840 Speaker 4: is directly below the flight path into DC National in 813 00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,680 Speaker 4: the Reagan Airport, and it's going to be a danger 814 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,640 Speaker 4: to pilots flying into the airport. 815 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,279 Speaker 3: He's a winning winner who wins Molly, and he can't 816 00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:46,080 Speaker 3: stop winning. Rick Wilson, well, if don fast, I'll see 817 00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:46,680 Speaker 3: you next time. 818 00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:51,759 Speaker 1: Thank you. 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