WEBVTT - Retro 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:04.480 Of the law and order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:07.280 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:08.119 vicious felonies. 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:28.600 These episodes are based on. These are our stories. Done done, Yay. 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:31.920 Welcome to That's Messed Up an SVU podcast. 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:35.000 My name is Lisa, my name is Kara, and we're 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:35.720 your hosts. 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:39.239 We talk about an SVU episode that we choose, We 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:41.599 talk about the true crime it's based on, and we 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:45.760 interview a guest from the episode usually or sometimes and 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:49.839 sometimes we don't. And today we've got a great episode 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:51.800 for you. But before we get started, we like to chot, 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:54.160 We like to catch up. We like to talk about 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:55.200 what's going on in the world. 0:00:56.320 --> 0:01:00.720 You know it is shocking, Oh yeah them, because you 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:02.960 said we choose these episodes. Like the amount of people 0:01:03.040 --> 0:01:04.759 I've been meeting out and about in the world who 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:08.080 are watching from season one, Like who are going in 0:01:08.160 --> 0:01:11.840 and doing it in order is wild. Yeah, I'm at 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:13.720 like five people in the last few months. They're like, 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:16.600 I'm watching it from the start. I'm on seventeen or 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:18.839 season and I'm like, what the fuck, Like, I don't even. 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:20.959 Know if I went to that. I don't. 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:23.399 I mean, I definitely haven't. I watched it from when 0:01:23.440 --> 0:01:25.520 it started, but I would miss episodes all the time 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:27.720 and then just like now catch them on USA a 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:31.160 million times. You know, like I've never straight gone through. 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:35.679 But that's a new way of life with all these streamers. 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:38.760 It just so oh. It also just seems actually have 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:40.319 someone that I know personally, I should see how their 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:41.080 journey is going. 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:42.959 Actually, I know. 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:47.120 While my other question is like I pay for Hulu, right, 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:49.000 and I pay without the ads because I do this 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:51.960 the recaps and I can't have ads or whatever. But 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:54.840 Disney Plus and Hulu are now part of each other. 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:57.040 So can I now watch SVU on Disney? 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:00.320 Is that an me? Yeah? 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:06.120 Because my Hulu comes with Max, I feel and I 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:08.560 have to some shows do show up when I google 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:10.840 them in Hulu or maybe. 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:12.639 I'm going to go into my Disney app right now 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:14.880 and see if I can literally wait, but I didn't 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:18.320 know because I am been craving some Simpsons and I 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:20.320 haven't watched in a while, and I feel like I 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:22.400 got to get some Disney Plus in my life. 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:24.320 Wait did I tell you this? I don't know if 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:26.040 I feel like I've already mentioned on the pod. But 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:28.280 this meme came up in my thing again and you 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:30.920 have that Disney princess joke, but it's all the Disney princesses, 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:32.360 and it's like, who do you think. 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:35.880 Would win in like a murder? Like who's winning in 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:36.239 a fight? 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:38.240 And they're like, Mulan has a body count or like 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:43.320 a murder count of two thousand. She defeated the Huns, 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:46.120 like no white as a chance? 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:49.240 Does Mulan ever even wear a dress? 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:51.400 Like does she ever even like you know, like Mulan 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:53.880 is in fighting garb ready to go. 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:56.200 Yeah, but there's some dresses in the beginning. That's what 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:58.040 she escapes it. Remember they're trying to marry her off 0:02:58.080 --> 0:02:59.760 with the match with the matchmaker. 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:02.840 Yeah, okay, just started Mulan the other day. 0:03:03.560 --> 0:03:06.920 Yes, I want your kids watching Mulan. Yeah yeah, yeah, 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:08.440 I really want them. You have them. 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:10.560 I got well, now that I know that Rosie is 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:12.480 so into New York, look what I got her? 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:18.120 What these sticks? Oh my god, are they so cute? 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:18.320 You know? 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:21.000 I also got these pigeon ones, but I don't know. Sorry, 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:22.440 you guys can't see the stickers. 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:23.600 No, those are so cute. 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:26.240 They're cute and y see theme stickers, Well she's gonna 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:27.920 love those. And also I know, since I know you 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:31.080 love to pick up nick knacks, my kids have. Now 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:35.080 we've amassed so many enamel pins from like you know, 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:37.560 you guys bring us cool enamel pins to our live 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:40.880 shows and you know, just like you'll go anywhere and 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:42.400 you get like an enamel pin, and like we have 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:44.080 TMU enamel pins and stuff. 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:47.760 So I bought these, Like I bought these like. 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:50.400 Cloth banners that now hang on the wall and they 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:52.680 have all their pins up on them, so like now 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:56.120 they're basically they started like a collection and I've just 0:03:56.160 --> 0:03:58.400 divided them between them and like they have you know, 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:01.280 so they've got like drag pins and like all kinds 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:02.120 of fun pins. 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:04.760 Like somebody at a live show, so kind of flag 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:09.480 is it? What is this thing? Literally No, it's like it's. 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:12.520 Like a beige piece of canvas that it hangs, you know. 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:14.840 So it's like let's let this let's let the NML 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:17.800 pins do the heavy lifting. And then it's like they 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:19.920 just we sort of did a thing where they divided 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:21.159 them up. They were like I want this one, I 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:22.960 want that one, and it's like I have like a 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:26.720 big business bet Middler one from a listener and like, yeah, yeah, 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:30.239 I have one of those two Ecdo cooler from listeners. True, 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:35.000 I think somebody gave me Lydia Dietz's mother from Beetlejuice one. 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:37.600 So like they have already a very impressive plus ones 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:41.080 that I get at DragCon and stuff. So the pin 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:43.040 collection is popping. If you see anything that you think 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:44.560 would go good with the well, probably in. 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:48.480 My house because also my hairdresser here in New York. 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:51.479 She hairdresser is such an old timey term. 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:53.160 It totally is that I sety it don't a way 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:55.120 and was like, what am I seventy? Yeah, I can't 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:56.200 believe we're both saying it. 0:04:56.720 --> 0:04:59.640 But her daughter just got really into the Simpsons and 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:01.960 I was like, oh honey, I'm still unpacking you. 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:04.640 About trash gifts. 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:09.200 Yeah, I'll get some trash going your way. But so 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:10.920 I'm going to be finding pins here all the time. 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:12.880 But as some of you have seen on the internet, 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:17.200 you know, manya, our family pet Yes is no longer alive, 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:18.160 so I definitely went and. 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:19.680 Spent some money. You have talked. 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:24.080 About the many times she has walked in while we've 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:26.839 been podcasting I feel she was the official pet of 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:31.080 the podcast and we are so so sad that she 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:34.080 but she had a long beautiful she. 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:37.720 Was treated amazing. But yes, I don't know. I know 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:40.039 your parents will get another one. 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:44.359 No, but my dad feeds a street cat perfect and 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:49.119 twice a day and he comes around. But I think 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:52.839 the cat knows what's up because he's been now fully 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:54.839 hanging out with my dad in the garden and like 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:59.440 rubbing on his legs. So I think because the street 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:02.880 cat drove Manya, like they obviously had a rivalry, and 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:06.080 so maybe the cat now knows. I just hope the 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:08.240 cat runs in because they're not planning on getting another cat. 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:10.880 They're pretty heartbroken, and you know, by the end of 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:12.720 a pet's life, it is a lot of it is 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:14.360 a lot of work or a humans, you know, it's 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:17.320 a lot of work, right, So they're very sad. My 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:19.839 mom hasn't gone back into her room. She's sleeping in 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:20.200 my room. 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:23.240 Oh my gosh, she like can't go back in there. 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:25.480 So I don't think they're ready. 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:28.039 But I'm just hoping the street cat just runs inside 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:31.200 and doesn't leave. Yeah, but I also think this cat's 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:34.200 a little bit slutty and is running ruling the neighborhood. 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:37.240 I think she's getting fed and hanging out like I 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:38.599 think she's a little sneaky. 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:41.120 She's a Heathcliff. She's like Heathcliff. If you ever watched 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:42.480 the Heathcliff cartoon. 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:43.599 No, I don't even know what it is. 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:45.960 Oh my god, Heathcliff was like, well, the Heathcliffe was 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:48.080 a boy, but he was like this street cat that 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:50.839 was like, quote unquote terrorizing the neighborhood. 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:56.279 Heathcliff, Heathcliff, No one should terrorrize. He does look like Gartfield, 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:57.560 Like what's going on? He does? 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:00.560 He's literally like an off brand Garfield for Nicolo and 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:02.400 I will have you know that I yesterday went to 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:04.640 take and I took my kids to the Garfield movie 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:07.159 was so it was so hot and we just needed 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:08.440 to go be somewhere inside. 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:10.560 I thought it was really funny. 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:12.400 It got like panned, and I was like, there's a 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:14.120 lot of funny jokes in this movie, Like, there are 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:16.320 just a lot of good jokes in it. Look the 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:19.240 plots a little crazy, kids don't care like you know, 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:23.640 but our friend Janelle does a little voice in it. Wow, 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:26.920 dog is a voice in it as a cat twist, 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:29.960 you know, there's it's cute. 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:30.840 I thought it was cute. 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:32.280 I mean, and I've sat through some shit with for 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:34.200 my kids that I'm like, this movie is terrible, But 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:36.760 I thought Garfield was pretty fun funny. 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:37.680 I had a VHS. 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:38.960 I wish I remember what it was called, but it 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:40.800 was like the Jungle King, but it was like a 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:42.040 Lion King ripoff kind of. 0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:42.960 Yeah, I found it. 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:45.120 It was the Jungle King and I'm looking at photos 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:49.600 of it now, like so funny, even down to the 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:53.800 hyena like look, but the hyena has an ayah iago 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:55.680 on his shoulder. 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:56.160 I don't know. 0:07:56.200 --> 0:07:58.360 I had this VHS and I am in a different 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:02.160 universe right now. But yeah, my parents are, you know, 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:05.880 they're sad. My dad sent me a really sad photo. 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:08.000 I sent them flowers and it's him next to the 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:10.680 flowers holding the pillow of mania that I got them 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:11.360 for a holiday. 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:15.000 And I'm like, this is a little too sad, But 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:15.840 you know. 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:24.760 It was she was older, you know, that's yeah, that's life. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:26.920 she was really pretty and everyone that wrote stuff, you know, 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:29.120 I did end up posting and my mom does like 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:32.120 reading all the comments. Yeah, and it was just nice 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:34.760 people being like what a perfect little tourity with an attitude, 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:36.880 because yeah, she. 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:39.520 Did have she was very particular. 0:08:39.600 --> 0:08:41.600 I can't remember if she even let me touch her 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:43.080 when I went to your house. Do you think she 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:46.040 did No, I think I saw her, but she didn't 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:47.240 like run away, but I did not. 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:48.480 I don't think I attempted. 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:48.840 No. 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:51.680 But she also had a special bond with Talia. She's 0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:54.240 and so she would sit on Talia during their like 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:55.520 grandparent visit days. 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:57.880 So like they had a lovely time. 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:01.640 But you know, it's kind of they Yeah, my parents 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:06.720 had a different experience than any of us because I 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:08.480 mean we've had it for so long that like my 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:10.720 mom wasn't even retired, so like she would get ready 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:12.920 for work and do her makeup in the bathroom and 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:15.160 Manya would like drink from the fawcet. 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:17.640 Well, yeah, they had like a cute little time. 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:19.319 But you know, and when you were like at home 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:22.440 a bit during the pandemic, we were recording your Manya 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:25.120 was always around, like you were always like there was 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:26.000 Bailey and Manya. 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:28.480 You know, I just feel, you know, it's like good 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:31.480 for old people to have things to do. And I 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:33.960 liked that, and so I would like this street cat 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:36.400 to become more of a wait have you seen I 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:39.559 guess it's a series, but I only saw one clip 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:42.560 of it. But this mom found a VHS player at 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:44.520 a garage. Sound was like, Oh, I'm gonna like show 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:46.240 up my kids all my old Disney movies. 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:46.760 This is great. 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:48.880 And now it's the kids are just calling each other 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:50.480 street rat, you know, like. 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:52.880 You're a street rat. No, you're a street rat. 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:55.319 And then they watched Pocahontas and they started calling each 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:57.520 other savage, and the mom's like, wait, I need to 0:09:57.559 --> 0:09:59.720 do something about, like what's going on? And then they 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:02.240 one hundred one Dalmatians and I guess the kid. I 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:03.960 haven't seen these. I only watched the I only saw 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:06.240 the Aladdin one. But my friend was telling me that 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:08.960 the kid took like a plastic golf club they have 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:12.240 and pretended it was a pipe because because the. 0:10:12.559 --> 0:10:15.560 Guys, the father smokes the pipe and then Kruella smokes 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:18.000 cigarettes and like, I mean kind of makes. 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:21.320 It look cool. I mean, I I hate to say it, 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:24.680 so yeah, it was. It's just like this little modern 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:26.400 kid is acting a fool. 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:29.000 No, I mean I was watching you have to like, 0:10:29.120 --> 0:10:30.439 but street Rat is funny. 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:35.200 Okay, So my kids love love Freakin' Aladdin, So I'm 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:37.600 sure that Rosie has said street Rat at some point. 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:40.679 But we were watching TB, which is like free TV 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:42.719 because they Rosie likes the way that the beginning of 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:45.560 to Be goes to be to Be, like she likes. 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:46.319 The opening of it. 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:50.240 And then they were watching Casper Old Casper the Friendly Ghost, 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:53.000 and like there's fully one where Casper goes on to 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:57.280 like a Native American reservation, but it's like it's very dated. 0:10:57.480 --> 0:10:58.640 They're all talking. 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:01.120 And like you know, Broken England, It's like that, and 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:04.000 so I was like, okay, okay, so they're saying Indian, 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:06.280 but you're this is Native American people, Like I was, 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:08.400 these are indigenous people, like these are people that lived 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:10.760 here before us. I was like trying to like erase 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:13.480 what they were seeing as they were seeing it. And like, 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:16.440 cause Disney does disclaimer at the beginning of like all 0:11:16.480 --> 0:11:19.960 their movies now that are all really these contained stereotypes. Yeah, 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:21.920 and you cannot fast forward in it. It goes for like 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:24.600 eleven or twelve seconds. But my kids can't read, so 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:27.439 they're just like all right, let's go loaded into my consciousness. 0:11:27.440 --> 0:11:29.640 So I'm trying to be like, you know, and Jared'll 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:32.200 be like, you know, this is really actually a fictional 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:35.040 place where they are. They're not really in old Arabia, 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:37.960 Like this is really not Agraba's not real, you know. 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:40.840 So like we're trying to tell them that, like none 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:43.120 of that stuff is real. But yeah, street Rats kind 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:46.600 of a funny. What if I just learned that Agriba 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:51.440 is not a real place. I didn't know, Jared' said I. 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:53.120 I was like, I don't know, maybe it is from 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:56.680 ancient like I haven't studied ancient, you know, or Arabian places. 0:11:57.160 --> 0:11:59.840 But boy is sacked. I mean, Aladdin is top tiered 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:07.200 like that. It's the best, the music, the genie. I 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:08.720 do have a story. I have a huge story. 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:12.800 Remember I texted Kara and Casey in a group text 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:15.199 and I said, this is you'll understand. 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:17.679 So I and I'm. 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:19.520 Gonna put it on the internet. I taped I came 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:21.160 home and I was like in heaven. So I was 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:22.640 like taping myself. 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:22.920 Talking about it. 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:26.080 But so you might see it on the internet if 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:27.880 my dude Matt decides to post. 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:31.480 So my friend of DT from India's in town. 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:33.440 So we're just walking around, taking a long way, and 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:35.920 we're walking home and I usually take this one other path, 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:38.320 but you seem worried. 0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:41.120 What happened? No, that sounds like the beginning of an SVU. 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:42.720 Oh oh yeah, No, no, no. 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:46.240 I didn't take my normal root like I took a 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:48.280 short cut down an alley even though I've like never 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:49.199 seen an alley. 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:49.640 In New York City. 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:53.240 No, just you know, cause I get when people come 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:55.480 to visit, and you saw this when my friend Alex came, 0:12:55.559 --> 0:12:58.440 I do go insane and I kind of overplan and 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:00.000 I want everything to be right and I want them 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:02.480 to see everything, and everyone just wants to chill out 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:06.280 and I am like spiraling, And so that happened. I 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:07.320 was like, Oh, I don't want to take the street. 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:09.200 I'll take this other street. It's more busy, more people 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:11.800 are out. I wanted to like see stuff that that 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:14.880 street's too sleepy. So we're walking back to my house 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:18.280 in a roote I never go and I clock this 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:21.280 young couple walking towards us, and they're like a like 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:24.240 a punky rock looking couple. And I thought to myself, 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:25.880 I'm like, oh, they look really cute, like they are 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:28.040 other cute. I wonder, you know, if they're like just 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:30.719 started to date or something. And we walk past each 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:34.079 other and the man turns to me and goes, Walrus 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:38.440 horror movie and I go tusk and they start laughing 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:40.520 and I go, what's going on? And he goes, well, 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:42.240 she was telling me about this movie and I thought 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:45.800 it wasn't real, but I guess it is. And I go, oh, 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:48.440 it's real, and you caught the right person. I saw 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:48.880 it open. 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:51.640 I saw it opening week in the movie theater and 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:53.120 they go, you saw it in the theater? 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:54.880 I go yeah. My friend, our friend Megan, was like, 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:58.400 piss to me, what is happening? I thought this was 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:00.480 like in your stand up and they reckon you. 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:03.240 He literally just said Walrus horror movie to a random girl, 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:06.280 Oh my god, and it happened to be. 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:10.280 Me and I knew it and I go tusk and 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:12.360 it was just this wild thing and I was in 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:12.880 such bla. 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:14.400 I was like, it's a. 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:16.800 Walk by movie game, Like this is all I've been 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:18.840 planning and training for my whole life. 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:21.000 Because it's like he didn't go excuse me, miss, like 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:22.560 do you have a second for me? To like settle 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:24.480 an argument between me and my girl. Like it was 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:26.080 just like Walrus's horror movie. 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:28.400 And I went like, I was like ready to go. 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:33.360 He's like, Hi, I'm the living cinema trix. Yes, I 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:35.240 like all I do is play movie. It was like 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:36.000 in the wild. 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:38.800 It's like all of my training came to be in 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:41.280 this like one moment. But I was telling a friend 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:43.760 about it, and I go, I do like the genre. 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:46.440 I saw human centipete open, I saw teeth like, I 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:48.200 don't know what it is, but I like these weird 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:52.880 surgery situations. But then I called my mom because I 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:54.320 was like, you won't believe what happened. I'm like, this 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:56.160 is the best thing that's ever happened to me. And 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:57.720 so I'm telling my mom and then she goes, we'll 0:14:57.720 --> 0:14:59.760 explain the movie to me. And I was like, oh, 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:03.160 you're not gonna want to hear it. But it's about 0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:05.920 a man surgically making another man into a wallrist. And 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:09.120 she just was like, no, no, no, yeah, have you 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:09.760 you haven't seen it? 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:11.240 Right? Obviously you don't excre me. 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:13.400 I mean, can I just I want you to google 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:17.720 because it's so Google justin Long Tusk and watch your 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:22.840 nightmares unravel. No no, no, no no no no no no. 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:26.000 I can't even I couldn't even finish the promo for 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:28.640 Human Centipede when it came out. I started watching it 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:30.120 because everyone was talking about it, and then I was 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:32.560 like no, no, no, no no no, Like that's the opposite 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:34.840 of anything I can watch, like I don't. I can 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:38.000 sometimes do horror, but like that, like, have you ever 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:41.240 watched like David Cronenberg movies because he's like the body 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:44.960 horror guy and Jared loves that shit. I mean, that 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:48.520 is so funny that that happened for you, Like I can't. 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:53.000 It was every It was everything I could have ever wanted. 0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:55.360 But I texted our friend and a DT was probably 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:58.200 like the Magic of New York. I mean, like we 0:15:58.480 --> 0:16:01.200 knew how much. Thinking Sheila it went, I know how 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:03.320 much this means to She just was laughing. She goes, 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:05.480 I can't believe that just happened. And I understand and 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:08.520 I go, yeah. But then I texted our friend and 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:11.360 I was just like, you won't believe what just happened 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:11.560 to me? 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:12.920 Because I made her go see it. 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:16.080 She goes, we went Opening Night and she goes, I 0:16:16.120 --> 0:16:18.640 remember spitting out my flatbread sandwich. 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:22.560 I remember we got Cozy. Do you remember Cozy? Oh? 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:24.640 It was my favorite place. Yeah, because they got the 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:25.960 best vegetarian. Oh. 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:28.840 The tomato soup from Cozy was my favorite thing, and 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:31.200 I would drive miles out of my way to get it. 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:33.520 In Connecticut and when I worked at when I worked 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:36.040 at one of the Nickelodeon buildings was right across from 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:37.840 like the winter like the theater that like Mama Mia 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:40.400 played out forever on fiftieth on Broadway. You know, Cozy 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:42.640 right across the street. I ate it for lunch three 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:43.960 times a week, like I'm obsessed. 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:44.680 That's so funny. 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:47.320 I would get the flatbread sandwich with the hummus like 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:50.600 tomato cucumber like that one all the time. 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:54.080 I like the capresee they had a hot capreisee. 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:56.400 Our friend was like, is it's still in business? I'm 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:58.840 like no, it wasn't actually good. 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:02.520 No, it was like good Brokes, Like I was a 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:05.720 broke executive assistant. That's like what I ate, you know, 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:08.200 like will lunch be under ten dollars? 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:09.280 Yeah, I guess I ate it. 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:11.840 When I was a salon receptionist, Yeah, it was my 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:16.000 salon receptioning day is but yeah, she goes, I still 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:18.840 remember spitting out my sandwich and I. 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:20.880 Go, yeah, that was it. 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:24.040 And I was like to be walking on a different 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:26.280 street and just be whispered that. But I was in 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:28.240 such a shock I walked away. I wish I was like, 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:30.760 when did you see it? What are you guys talking like? 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:32.480 I wish I just knew more about them, But it 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:34.680 was such a like moment. 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:36.159 I couldn't even believe it that. 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:39.639 Yeah, so hopefully I didn't overhype it to you guys, 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:41.840 but that is the best thing that's ever happened to me. 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:43.359 Yeah. 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:45.760 Wait, now, of course I'm on the Wikipedia page for 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:50.040 Cozy and they had some problems in the pandemic bankruptcy 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:52.200 but they were trying to reopen. But it seems yeah, 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:54.240 twenty twenty February actually. 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:56.399 Right before the pandemic. It's like they can't even blame 0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:56.960 the pandemic. 0:17:56.960 --> 0:17:59.520 They literally filed chapter eleven the month before the pandemic 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:00.320 really went down. 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:02.240 I don't know it was. 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:05.959 I mean it was like a Panera style If you're like, 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:09.480 what is that. It's like fast casual, but like Panera 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:10.679 lunch spot, A. 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:13.560 Lot of a lot of salads and flat bread sandwiches, 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:17.720 but they're bread was like it was like rusty was 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:18.640 like this crunchy. 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:19.840 I really did like the. 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:22.920 Bread was so good and it was a little bit salty, 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:25.879 and it was so good, like soft with a little crunch. 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:28.199 It was so good. It only existed in case you 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:29.720 think you're going crazy. New York, d C. 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:33.400 Virginia, Pennsylvania, mass Connecticut, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio. 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:37.359 Oh yeah, so that's what. So only like ten states 0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:37.840 or something. 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:42.320 Oh so Adit does a really funny joke. I went 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:46.360 to her show and she talks about how like, when 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:50.040 you travel to India, it's called like bombay belly because 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:51.919 you're gonna get like diarrhea and stuff. 0:18:52.000 --> 0:18:52.520 Uh huh. 0:18:52.560 --> 0:18:54.199 And then she goes, but it's the opposite when you 0:18:54.200 --> 0:18:56.240 come to America, you get so much constipation. 0:18:56.320 --> 0:19:02.000 They call it Connecticut clot. I love it. I laughed 0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:06.080 a lot. That's so funny. Go Connecticut. We're so we're 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:06.560 good for that. 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:11.240 Let some start the episode. 0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:15.600 But before we get going, I wanted to point out 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:18.960 that a major character in this episode is played by 0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:23.240 Martin Mull, the actor, and since we recorded the actual 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:25.600 meat of the episode, he passed away just a few 0:19:25.640 --> 0:19:28.400 days ago, so when this episode comes out, he will 0:19:28.440 --> 0:19:30.240 have passed away like a week ago, and we didn't 0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:32.320 know that, which is why obviously we were in the 0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:35.760 time machine. We didn't mention it when we were talking 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:39.199 about his illustrious career. We were trying to get him. 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:41.040 We were trying to Yeah, we tried to get him 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:43.720 for the podcast. He turned it down. But I also 0:19:43.800 --> 0:19:46.000 found out he went to my high school. I didn't 0:19:46.000 --> 0:19:48.399 realize he's like one of the esteemed alumni of my 0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:52.760 high school. And you know, my siblings were like one 0:19:52.760 --> 0:19:54.280 of them knew and was like, you didn't know that 0:19:54.320 --> 0:19:56.000 he's like one of our only good alums. And I 0:19:56.080 --> 0:19:58.080 was like, yeah, in my mind, we're only a culture 0:19:58.080 --> 0:20:01.520 and Catherine Heigel and I don't know if either one 0:20:01.560 --> 0:20:04.600 is good, but like I know Ann Culters. 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:07.240 And I think Catherine high Gall is good. Yeah. 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:11.280 Catherine was just a little bitchy, like yeah, so crazy. 0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:14.720 I think she was like I think she's having like. 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:17.720 Shit about the wrong people, like she just you know 0:20:17.760 --> 0:20:21.320 people because people love Gray's Anatomy and Shondaland and then people. 0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:25.119 Really that was the jud Appatoo Heyday rogue, like and 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:25.560 it's like. 0:20:25.560 --> 0:20:27.880 Other actors are like getting in bed with the assistant 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:29.720 directors in the middle of the night without asking, and 0:20:29.760 --> 0:20:32.359 people are like, he's just a drunk, fun guy, you know, 0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:34.840 Like we don't let a woman be a bitch for 0:20:34.880 --> 0:20:37.040 like ten seconds, so I do think we should give 0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:39.520 her a pass. Although in high school, you know, everybody 0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:41.760 thought everybody was just so jealous of her that everybody 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:43.520 was like, what a bitch, And I was like, I 0:20:43.560 --> 0:20:45.240 think we just all want to be her. She's in 0:20:45.280 --> 0:20:47.920 the Bahamas making a movie with Gerard de Pardeux. That's 0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:52.760 wildly inappropriate about acting like you're dating your dad. We 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:56.440 were a big Purdue fan, We were a big household. 0:20:56.680 --> 0:20:57.880 We loved him. I don't know why. 0:20:57.920 --> 0:21:01.720 It's kind of psychotic, but what we also they were 0:21:02.160 --> 0:21:03.720 He was either in the Man in the Iron Mask 0:21:03.840 --> 0:21:06.560 or some other version of the Musketeers, like I do 0:21:06.720 --> 0:21:10.920 remember him being in sometimes Soword situation and he tried 0:21:10.960 --> 0:21:13.000 to take his own life but the rope fell and 0:21:13.040 --> 0:21:14.040 his butt was naked. 0:21:14.240 --> 0:21:16.480 Like I don't know, I think he's lived kind. 0:21:16.320 --> 0:21:18.439 Of seen our day part du bus and I know 0:21:18.480 --> 0:21:21.040 we have to start the episode, but it was pride. 0:21:21.680 --> 0:21:23.919 It is about to be fourth of July, Like, do 0:21:23.960 --> 0:21:24.960 we want to say anything? 0:21:25.000 --> 0:21:25.480 I don't know. 0:21:25.600 --> 0:21:28.120 Please vote Blue. I know that Biden seems like he's 0:21:28.119 --> 0:21:31.760 gonna die. Please don't let Trump be in charge. Please please. 0:21:31.800 --> 0:21:34.000 I'm begging you for the love of our country. 0:21:34.040 --> 0:21:34.480 That's all. 0:21:34.640 --> 0:21:37.200 But everyone that listens to this podcast is pretty much, 0:21:37.960 --> 0:21:38.440 I think. 0:21:38.240 --> 0:21:39.199 On the same page with us. 0:21:39.720 --> 0:21:40.240 Yeah, I don't know. 0:21:40.280 --> 0:21:42.320 Do you have any fourth happy for the July? I hope. 0:21:42.440 --> 0:21:44.600 I mean this is coming out on the ninth. 0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:48.800 So everybody, I hope you had a great Fourth of July. 0:21:49.040 --> 0:21:51.760 I hope you're staying cool pool parties. I'm going to 0:21:51.800 --> 0:21:52.639 the beach, bitch. 0:21:53.160 --> 0:21:57.680 Yeah, reapply that sun block I got my accidentally, Rosie 0:21:57.720 --> 0:21:59.520 burnt the side of her butt and we have to 0:22:00.240 --> 0:22:02.199 It's okay now now it's a weird tan line, but 0:22:02.520 --> 0:22:03.760 you know, we gotta reapply. 0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:08.280 Oh and we did record this episode when I forgot 0:22:08.320 --> 0:22:11.639 all of my equipment while traveling, so the sound is 0:22:11.680 --> 0:22:14.240 not as pristine as usual. 0:22:14.960 --> 0:22:16.119 That is what's going on. 0:22:16.160 --> 0:22:18.120 But also, please hit me up if you also watch 0:22:18.200 --> 0:22:21.840 The Jungle King and that was a part of your childhood, 0:22:21.880 --> 0:22:26.040 because I would love some sort of connection in. 0:22:25.960 --> 0:22:35.560 This wild world totally. All right, let's get stuted. All right. 0:22:35.600 --> 0:22:37.880 Today, we are going to season ten, which I think 0:22:37.960 --> 0:22:39.919 is one of the best seasons we've got Zebra's We've 0:22:39.960 --> 0:22:42.040 got a lot of crazy shit in season ten. We're 0:22:42.040 --> 0:22:46.160 doing this episode retro, episode number six from the season, 0:22:46.440 --> 0:22:50.160 and it pops off with alarms going off. We're at 0:22:50.160 --> 0:22:53.200 a fire department. There's a structural fire in a brownstone. 0:22:53.240 --> 0:22:56.560 Someone Rich's house is burning down. Let's go. Engine ninety 0:22:56.640 --> 0:22:58.800 nine is on their way. But then a cab pulls 0:22:58.800 --> 0:23:00.159 in front of the fire truck and it just like 0:23:00.240 --> 0:23:03.000 won't move. The firefighters are about to throw down, but 0:23:03.080 --> 0:23:05.119 then the cab driver gets out holding a little baby 0:23:05.119 --> 0:23:05.720 and goes. 0:23:05.480 --> 0:23:06.080 She's sick. 0:23:06.359 --> 0:23:08.520 This lady left her in my cab and the kid 0:23:08.560 --> 0:23:11.000 is burning up with a fever. So we're gonna follow 0:23:11.000 --> 0:23:13.640 that storyline. We are not caring about the fire anymore. 0:23:14.040 --> 0:23:16.919 At the hospital, Benson and Stabler are in a gurney 0:23:16.960 --> 0:23:19.399 accompanying walk and talk with a doctor. She's got the 0:23:19.440 --> 0:23:23.560 little baby and a little baby like shelfed gurney or whatever, 0:23:23.800 --> 0:23:26.879 and she said the baby has oral candid diassis and 0:23:26.960 --> 0:23:28.920 a temperature of one hundred and five and Stabler goes, 0:23:28.920 --> 0:23:32.000 you lost me a Canda diassis and then the doctor's like, 0:23:32.040 --> 0:23:33.040 it's a fungal infection. 0:23:33.160 --> 0:23:34.359 It's also called thrush. 0:23:34.440 --> 0:23:36.280 Maybe one of your kids had it, but you're constantly 0:23:36.280 --> 0:23:39.000 fighting crime, so you wouldn't know. So Benson and Stabler 0:23:39.160 --> 0:23:42.080 are confused because thrush is not a sexually transmitted disease, 0:23:42.119 --> 0:23:44.320 so like, why did you call us? And she's like, 0:23:44.720 --> 0:23:46.920 and we do see the little baby in the little 0:23:46.960 --> 0:23:49.680 bed thingy, and she's very cute. They're like hodling through 0:23:49.680 --> 0:23:54.280 the hospital. She's got huge cheeks, she's really baby looking. Yeah, 0:23:54.320 --> 0:23:58.040 and it's very sad. The doctor explains that a crime 0:23:58.119 --> 0:24:00.520 has been committed on this child. She has not been 0:24:00.560 --> 0:24:03.520 treated for HIV, which she is positive for, and that 0:24:03.600 --> 0:24:06.919 she actually has advanced aids. And the doctor confirms that 0:24:06.960 --> 0:24:09.679 the parents have done absolute dick to treat it. So 0:24:09.880 --> 0:24:12.199 get investigating because that's a crime. And now we're at 0:24:12.200 --> 0:24:14.680 the credits, and that's a ninety second cold open because 0:24:14.720 --> 0:24:17.119 this show knows how to cut to the fucking chase. 0:24:17.840 --> 0:24:20.719 I just feel like, wow, they really I looked at 0:24:20.760 --> 0:24:22.119 my actual Hulu. 0:24:21.880 --> 0:24:24.200 It was like ninety seconds to get all this information out. 0:24:24.720 --> 0:24:27.159 So now they're talking to the cab driver, who says 0:24:27.680 --> 0:24:29.679 that he dropped the mom off at port authority. She 0:24:29.760 --> 0:24:31.679 left the bag on the backseat and he noticed when 0:24:31.720 --> 0:24:34.000 he heard the baby crying. About a block later, we've 0:24:34.000 --> 0:24:36.680 got Ruben Morales, friend of the Podole de la Fuente, 0:24:37.119 --> 0:24:39.480 and they're checking out footage from the camera and the cab. 0:24:39.880 --> 0:24:42.280 But the guy right before the baby discovery is a 0:24:42.320 --> 0:24:44.439 sixty five year old man. It's not this woman he 0:24:44.480 --> 0:24:46.720 talked about, So what's up? Maybe the cab he's lying. 0:24:46.760 --> 0:24:49.320 Stabler's gonna go check it out. He confesses that he 0:24:49.400 --> 0:24:51.679 turned off the camera before the lady get in the car. 0:24:51.800 --> 0:24:53.680 He's like, look, I was trying to pocket the fair. 0:24:53.800 --> 0:24:56.280 Gas is pricey. I need to make ends meet. I 0:24:56.359 --> 0:24:58.720 get it, it's very expensive to get your hack license 0:24:58.800 --> 0:25:00.240 in h I was licking. 0:25:00.119 --> 0:25:01.679 Trying to figure out what's happening to me. 0:25:02.560 --> 0:25:05.000 But my mom is cooking and there's onions, and that 0:25:05.119 --> 0:25:12.880 is why I'm struggling. I was like, I've been living right, 0:25:12.960 --> 0:25:15.520 I'm like, what is what's happening? 0:25:15.680 --> 0:25:19.280 I'm doing everything right. My can't onions are bothering me 0:25:19.440 --> 0:25:22.040 all the way up the stairs. I love that thing 0:25:22.080 --> 0:25:24.800 you posted where you were like being at home at 0:25:24.840 --> 0:25:27.240 your parents' house is like, Wow, so much trauma, but 0:25:27.359 --> 0:25:30.440 damn I'm eating so good. Well. 0:25:30.480 --> 0:25:32.800 I also posted a thing of like you revert back 0:25:32.840 --> 0:25:35.240 to being a teen, like I had to flip out yesterday. 0:25:35.240 --> 0:25:37.680 I don't know if you saw no, No, I didn't 0:25:37.680 --> 0:25:38.160 see yet. 0:25:38.280 --> 0:25:40.400 So my sister and I were leaving the house and 0:25:40.480 --> 0:25:44.199 I was just wearing my skim's pajama bottoms and my 0:25:44.320 --> 0:25:46.160 dad turns to my sister and goes, don't you think 0:25:46.160 --> 0:25:49.080 those pants are too long? And I was just like, 0:25:49.160 --> 0:25:50.719 you know, think I know my pants are Why are 0:25:50.760 --> 0:25:52.560 you talking about my pants to my sister's Like this 0:25:52.600 --> 0:25:56.120 is ridiculous. And the night before, my mom goes, are 0:25:56.160 --> 0:26:00.199 those pants comfortable? And it's like the pajama bottom that 0:26:00.240 --> 0:26:03.800 I packed as a professional traveler, you're you're wondering if 0:26:03.840 --> 0:26:06.760 I packed comfortable pants to sleep in or not. And 0:26:06.760 --> 0:26:09.000 then she goes, those don't look like a natural fiber. 0:26:10.000 --> 0:26:11.720 And so then when my dad said that they were 0:26:11.720 --> 0:26:13.760 too your parents only wear natural fibers. 0:26:14.200 --> 0:26:19.320 My mom for sure, for sure, and my I just 0:26:19.640 --> 0:26:21.480 was like I could not get my sister's like, you 0:26:21.520 --> 0:26:23.359 need to stop flipping out about these pants. And I 0:26:23.400 --> 0:26:25.359 was like, I just do they think I'm stupid? I 0:26:25.359 --> 0:26:28.240 don't understand, and she goes, he's eighty six, and I go. 0:26:28.240 --> 0:26:29.399 You're right, You're right. Yeah. 0:26:29.680 --> 0:26:32.160 It's like parents need to stop commenting on stupid shit 0:26:32.200 --> 0:26:34.280 because my mom does that too, but they can't like 0:26:34.400 --> 0:26:36.000 is that really how you want to wear your hair out? 0:26:36.040 --> 0:26:37.920 You're not gonna push it back or anything like. It's 0:26:37.960 --> 0:26:39.720 like rude little comments, but. 0:26:39.760 --> 0:26:41.960 Not even to me. Like turn to my sister and goes, 0:26:41.960 --> 0:26:44.119 those look long. So then I put on shorts and 0:26:44.160 --> 0:26:45.400 then I was freezing. 0:26:48.160 --> 0:26:49.320 Just to fite them. 0:26:49.560 --> 0:26:51.040 And then I had to meet them and it's like, no, 0:26:51.200 --> 0:26:53.400 I know that they're big pants. I wasn't gonna wear 0:26:53.440 --> 0:26:57.879 these pajamas out, like right, but yeah, now I'm just 0:26:58.000 --> 0:27:00.960 cry in my childhood room because of the onions the 0:27:01.080 --> 0:27:05.480 windows open. I would leave the curtain open, but I'm 0:27:05.520 --> 0:27:09.040 scared of my neighbors. Oh yeah, they're creeps. 0:27:09.440 --> 0:27:13.159 So he admits there's no footage and so the cabby 0:27:13.240 --> 0:27:15.440 is clean. He has no record, and no baby girls 0:27:15.440 --> 0:27:17.680 have been reported missing lately, so they're sort of at 0:27:17.680 --> 0:27:19.679 a dead end. They need the cave to describe the 0:27:19.720 --> 0:27:22.280 mother to a sketch artist, and he's like okay. So 0:27:22.320 --> 0:27:25.760 then Melinda Warner summons them to the morgue. Melinda says 0:27:25.760 --> 0:27:27.840 that the baby is still alive but septic, and that 0:27:27.920 --> 0:27:30.399 doctor Massey, the doctor that they were originally talking to, 0:27:30.520 --> 0:27:32.880 is pumping her with antibiotics. So they're like, Melinda, why 0:27:32.920 --> 0:27:34.800 are you talking about anyone who still has a heartbeat? 0:27:34.800 --> 0:27:36.359 Like that's not really your territory. 0:27:36.680 --> 0:27:39.119 She's like, well, doctor Massey and I happened to be 0:27:39.400 --> 0:27:42.399 on an AID surveillance team together, and she sent Melinda 0:27:42.440 --> 0:27:44.919 a swab from the baby and she ran her DNA 0:27:45.000 --> 0:27:46.560 and lives like, well, she won't be in the system. 0:27:46.560 --> 0:27:49.040 And it's like, honestly, how dare you question Melinda Warner, 0:27:49.160 --> 0:27:51.199 Like do you think that she thinks of six year 0:27:51.240 --> 0:27:52.639 old a six month old baby's going to be in 0:27:52.680 --> 0:27:54.960 the system. She ran the DNA because she wanted to 0:27:54.960 --> 0:27:57.600 try to find a mitochondrial DNA match because a lot 0:27:57.640 --> 0:27:59.920 of kids with HIV are born to moms with rock 0:28:00.000 --> 0:28:03.119 words that she has found that in her work on 0:28:03.160 --> 0:28:06.719 the AID surveillance team. So Stabler kindly refers to these 0:28:06.760 --> 0:28:08.760 women as junkies and hookers, and we do not like 0:28:08.800 --> 0:28:09.320 that language. 0:28:09.320 --> 0:28:12.439 Around here, very very stable. That's pretty wild. 0:28:12.480 --> 0:28:14.360 I know, it's like, come on, bro, we're not back 0:28:14.400 --> 0:28:17.480 in season five here and ding ding Melinda was right 0:28:17.560 --> 0:28:19.280 got them their first lead, but all they do is 0:28:19.359 --> 0:28:22.920 question her. And the mom is Joanne Suarez, a frequent 0:28:22.960 --> 0:28:25.480 guest of the Department of Corrections, and she's at a 0:28:25.560 --> 0:28:26.640 quote charming. 0:28:26.280 --> 0:28:28.040 Little place they say called Rikers. 0:28:28.480 --> 0:28:30.760 So now we're at Rikers and we're talking to Joanne 0:28:30.800 --> 0:28:33.159 and oh my gosh. She is played by one of 0:28:33.160 --> 0:28:36.480 our very first guests on this podcast, Jessica Pimental from 0:28:36.560 --> 0:28:39.440 Orange is the New Black, our heavy metal queen. We 0:28:39.720 --> 0:28:42.120 interviewed her about a different episode she was on and 0:28:42.120 --> 0:28:43.600 I don't even remember if we talked her about this 0:28:43.640 --> 0:28:44.120 one No. 0:28:44.520 --> 0:28:44.960 Three. 0:28:45.120 --> 0:28:47.560 We didn't know, but she's played a bad junkie mother 0:28:47.720 --> 0:28:49.760 in four out of yeah episodes. 0:28:50.080 --> 0:28:51.480 We definitely talked her about that. 0:28:52.000 --> 0:28:55.440 Go back and listen to our Jessica Pamental episode well, 0:28:55.560 --> 0:28:57.040 and the best fact was. 0:28:57.040 --> 0:28:59.160 That it was the only time Marishka has ever not 0:28:59.240 --> 0:29:02.360 shown up to work was her first day because she 0:29:02.560 --> 0:29:05.120 was in the Taylor Swift Bad Blood group during the 0:29:05.200 --> 0:29:08.880 VMAs and got two wasted and could not catch her flight, 0:29:09.040 --> 0:29:13.560 hungover and so love that, love that tidbit, Jessica. 0:29:14.080 --> 0:29:15.600 Yeah, so we covered. 0:29:15.800 --> 0:29:19.400 She was our guest for the episode Institutional Fail, which 0:29:19.480 --> 0:29:21.840 was our eighteenth episode, so yeah, she was in our 0:29:21.920 --> 0:29:24.880 top she was in our top twenty episodes. 0:29:25.360 --> 0:29:28.320 So Whoopy Goldberg one that I'm always talking about. 0:29:28.560 --> 0:29:31.800 Yes, yes, that one is really really tough, but a 0:29:31.880 --> 0:29:33.160 very good episode of television. 0:29:36.360 --> 0:29:38.400 So Joanne is like, you got the wrong girl. 0:29:38.440 --> 0:29:40.760 I don't have a daughter, and Stabler's like, we've got 0:29:40.760 --> 0:29:42.640 the DNA, sweethearts, so why don't you take a seat, 0:29:42.640 --> 0:29:44.880 And then she's like okay. She like admits that she 0:29:44.960 --> 0:29:47.320 lied on her intake form about having a kid because 0:29:47.320 --> 0:29:49.200 she doesn't want social services to know about her so 0:29:49.320 --> 0:29:51.440 they can take her away from her, which is a 0:29:51.840 --> 0:29:55.240 perfectly you know, rational fear. She's like, I had her 0:29:55.280 --> 0:29:57.959 at home. I never got a birth certificate. And Stabler's like, well, 0:29:57.960 --> 0:30:00.200 who's the father, and he because you know, Stabler's so 0:30:00.280 --> 0:30:02.640 concerned for the dads of the world. Stabler speaks for 0:30:02.680 --> 0:30:06.280 the dads. He's the Lorax of deadbeat dads, and she 0:30:06.360 --> 0:30:09.280 doesn't know who the dad is. She says, she's a 0:30:09.320 --> 0:30:11.360 trick baby, but that doesn't mean that I don't love her, 0:30:11.480 --> 0:30:14.120 and I realized, shit, I've been calling Rosie a trick 0:30:14.160 --> 0:30:18.000 baby for years, but with a different meaning, like she's 0:30:18.040 --> 0:30:20.080 calling her a trick baby, like like one of her 0:30:20.640 --> 0:30:21.320 pregnated her. 0:30:21.480 --> 0:30:23.760 We understand that, we don't understand what you're doing. 0:30:24.480 --> 0:30:27.160 We say trick baby about Rosie because she was an 0:30:27.200 --> 0:30:30.000 easy baby, and it tricks you into having a second baby, 0:30:30.240 --> 0:30:30.800 and then your. 0:30:30.640 --> 0:30:32.080 Baby's not like that's what people say. 0:30:32.120 --> 0:30:33.440 They're like, oh, yeah, your first one can be a 0:30:33.440 --> 0:30:35.760 trick baby, where you're like, oh, babies are pretty easy. 0:30:35.760 --> 0:30:38.479 It's not that bad, like Rosie sleep trained so easily. 0:30:38.520 --> 0:30:40.640 All this shit, and then Oscar came along and was like, hey, 0:30:40.640 --> 0:30:43.400 what's up. I'm gonna be a chaos tornado in your life. 0:30:43.920 --> 0:30:46.560 So anyway, I maybe will stop calling her a trick 0:30:46.600 --> 0:30:48.600 baby now that I know that there's a double meaning. 0:30:48.720 --> 0:30:50.600 So she's like, it doesn't mean I love her any less, 0:30:50.600 --> 0:30:53.160 And we find out the baby is named d'antonia, and 0:30:53.360 --> 0:30:54.520 she's like, well, what's wrong? 0:30:54.800 --> 0:30:55.400 Is she okay? 0:30:55.440 --> 0:30:57.880 I love that she's like fully denying she has this baby, 0:30:57.880 --> 0:30:59.320 and now she's like, oh wait, is she okay? Is 0:30:59.360 --> 0:31:01.400 there a reason for coming to ask me about my daughter, 0:31:01.920 --> 0:31:04.440 and it's like, you were not concerned two minutes ago, 0:31:04.480 --> 0:31:06.720 but here we go. So they're like, no, Antonia is 0:31:06.720 --> 0:31:09.880 in the hospital with AIDS, and Joanne looks like very shook, 0:31:09.960 --> 0:31:12.080 like it's a hard thing to watch on mother hear this, 0:31:12.560 --> 0:31:14.920 And she said, I stopped using when I was pregnant. 0:31:14.920 --> 0:31:16.920 I did everything I could to keep the baby clean. 0:31:17.200 --> 0:31:20.080 But Benson's like, well, did you take andrei retrovirals that 0:31:20.120 --> 0:31:22.080 would have prevented her from contracting it? 0:31:22.640 --> 0:31:24.600 And Joann's like, I never meant to hurt her. 0:31:24.800 --> 0:31:27.440 She said, I left the baby with Ida Jallo, my 0:31:27.480 --> 0:31:29.880 downstairs neighbor, when I got locked up, and she promised 0:31:29.880 --> 0:31:33.720 to take care of her. So that is like very 0:31:33.760 --> 0:31:36.720 sad because I feel like I didn't even know that 0:31:36.840 --> 0:31:39.520 I didn't. I like assumed that if you got pregnant 0:31:40.480 --> 0:31:42.600 and you were HIV positive or had AIDS, that it 0:31:42.640 --> 0:31:45.320 would just pass to the baby because of like fluid, 0:31:45.320 --> 0:31:48.040 you know, fluids in your butt. But this episode really 0:31:48.240 --> 0:31:49.840 like lets you know that there's a lot you can 0:31:49.880 --> 0:31:51.959 do to prevent a pregnant woman can do to prevent 0:31:52.280 --> 0:31:56.200 a baby from contracting it. So SVU once again educating 0:31:56.200 --> 0:31:58.320 me things I did not know. And so now we're 0:31:58.320 --> 0:32:01.000 banging on Ida Jallo's door and she opens up the 0:32:01.000 --> 0:32:02.480 door and guess who lives there with her. 0:32:02.840 --> 0:32:05.400 Mister Marang the cab driver. Done done. 0:32:05.440 --> 0:32:08.600 They are a couple, and he's like, oh, they're just 0:32:08.600 --> 0:32:10.120 here to talk to me, like he doesn't know why 0:32:10.160 --> 0:32:12.840 the cops are there necessarily. And this actor, by the way, 0:32:12.880 --> 0:32:16.320 his name is bob's Alusanmakon and he is a Nigerian 0:32:16.360 --> 0:32:18.560 actor who is killing it. He's in the Dune movies. 0:32:18.600 --> 0:32:20.560 He's in Star Trek's Strange New Worlds. I mean, he 0:32:20.680 --> 0:32:22.880 is very booked. So now they have Ida and mister 0:32:22.920 --> 0:32:26.080 Morong in Cement Barr's room, and Ida explains that. 0:32:26.000 --> 0:32:27.240 Their green cards have expired. 0:32:27.320 --> 0:32:28.880 They were worried they were going to get deported, and 0:32:28.880 --> 0:32:31.920 Antonia just kept getting sicker and sicker and stablers like, 0:32:32.000 --> 0:32:33.880 so you just made up that story about finding her 0:32:33.880 --> 0:32:36.600 in the cab to get rid of her, and they're. 0:32:36.280 --> 0:32:37.480 Like no, no, no, no no. 0:32:37.640 --> 0:32:40.200 We loved Antonia like she was our own and everything 0:32:40.240 --> 0:32:43.320 was fine until she stopped eating. And Ida said, I 0:32:43.400 --> 0:32:45.440 thought she just missed her mom, but then I saw 0:32:45.480 --> 0:32:47.040 the white spots in her mouth and I knew it 0:32:47.120 --> 0:32:50.000 was AIDS because of her experience in her own country. 0:32:50.080 --> 0:32:51.760 I think they are supposed to be. 0:32:51.680 --> 0:32:55.960 From Gambia in the episode, and her sister had AIDS 0:32:56.000 --> 0:32:58.280 as well, she said, so she knows what it looks like. 0:32:58.680 --> 0:33:00.600 So why didn't you bring her to a hospital, And 0:33:00.640 --> 0:33:04.000 mister Morong says, because AIDS medicines are poison, and then 0:33:04.040 --> 0:33:06.600 Stabler and Benson give each other the like hoo boy, 0:33:06.720 --> 0:33:09.760 look you know where they're like, uh oh, looney's loney alert. 0:33:10.040 --> 0:33:12.320 Mister Marong says he heard that from their president, but 0:33:12.360 --> 0:33:14.960 that also the president of Gambia has found a cure 0:33:15.040 --> 0:33:16.880 and it is a green paste made of herbs that 0:33:16.920 --> 0:33:21.680 he rubs on patient's chests. And Benson's like, the President 0:33:21.720 --> 0:33:24.920 of Gambia does this himself and they're like yep, every Thursday. 0:33:24.960 --> 0:33:26.960 And then he gives them bitter yellow brew and two 0:33:26.960 --> 0:33:30.960 bananas and they're cured. And they're like, well, why didn't 0:33:30.960 --> 0:33:33.040 you try this method on Antonio. They're like, come on, 0:33:33.320 --> 0:33:35.880 obviously the President's magic potion is a secret. 0:33:36.200 --> 0:33:37.200 So we went on the internet. 0:33:37.280 --> 0:33:39.240 We found a doctor who shared our beliefs and we 0:33:39.280 --> 0:33:42.680 gave Antonia vitamins, but she just got worse and Stabler's like, 0:33:42.720 --> 0:33:44.320 I want the name of this quack doctor. 0:33:44.840 --> 0:33:46.800 So now bing bang bong, we. 0:33:46.760 --> 0:33:49.400 Are at the office of doctor Gideon Hutton, and holy shit. 0:33:49.520 --> 0:33:52.720 He is played by a legend, Martin mull. This guy 0:33:52.720 --> 0:33:55.760 has been acting since the seventies. He was Colonel Mustard 0:33:55.760 --> 0:33:58.320 in the original Clue movie. He's in a movie I 0:33:58.440 --> 0:34:01.360 was like obsessed within my teens called Ski Patrol. He 0:34:01.440 --> 0:34:04.240 was in forty six episodes of Roseanne, seventy three episodes 0:34:04.240 --> 0:34:06.840 of Sabrina the Teenage Witch. I mean, his his IMDb 0:34:07.000 --> 0:34:08.920 goes on and on. He's legendary. Is he does he 0:34:08.960 --> 0:34:11.520 stick out for you for something Roseanne? 0:34:11.719 --> 0:34:16.359 Yeah? And weep weep, yes as well. 0:34:16.760 --> 0:34:19.239 He's just been a few in the recount episodes, but 0:34:19.640 --> 0:34:21.120 very funny and in Roseanne. 0:34:21.120 --> 0:34:24.400 He you know, he's great. He's like the restaurant boss. 0:34:24.400 --> 0:34:27.240 I think, yeah, he's he's a great actor. 0:34:28.040 --> 0:34:30.520 He gives me the vibe of mister Feenie. Though I 0:34:30.680 --> 0:34:32.560 or like, I was like, oh, he's been a principle, 0:34:32.640 --> 0:34:33.359 but I was. 0:34:33.360 --> 0:34:35.359 Just about to say that he's like he's like. 0:34:35.680 --> 0:34:38.240 Funny, like bumbling principal kind of vibes. 0:34:38.320 --> 0:34:42.839 Well, you know, my niece and all the kids. They 0:34:42.960 --> 0:34:47.160 know Sabrina Carpenter from Girl Meets World. Oh yeah, because 0:34:47.200 --> 0:34:50.239 I'm new to Sabrina Carpenter, right, I'm just like, oh 0:34:50.320 --> 0:34:53.040 my god, I love the new Please Please Please, Like, 0:34:53.719 --> 0:34:55.880 oh you haven't the videos. 0:34:56.840 --> 0:35:00.279 It's it's for me. It's better than espresso for me. 0:35:00.400 --> 0:35:02.920 For me personally, I'm obsessed with Please Please Please. I 0:35:02.920 --> 0:35:04.240 listened to it now all the time. 0:35:04.800 --> 0:35:07.319 But so I was going off on it and they 0:35:07.320 --> 0:35:09.279 were like, we've liked her for a long time and 0:35:09.360 --> 0:35:11.959 she's really changing, and I'm like changing to what what? 0:35:12.480 --> 0:35:14.520 She's a very loop star. She used to be different 0:35:15.120 --> 0:35:16.240 and I had no idea. 0:35:17.000 --> 0:35:18.960 Yeah, I think I knew she was like a Disney 0:35:18.960 --> 0:35:20.800 girly or something, but I didn't know what from. 0:35:21.000 --> 0:35:21.920 Obviously she doesn't asked you. 0:35:22.040 --> 0:35:23.840 I know she was acting, and she was actually gonna 0:35:23.840 --> 0:35:28.160 be in Mean Girls, the musical before the pandemic. Oh, 0:35:28.520 --> 0:35:31.279 but so she is a theater girly. I just didn't 0:35:31.280 --> 0:35:32.400 know about Girl Meets worlds. 0:35:32.880 --> 0:35:34.200 Yeah, me neither. 0:35:34.600 --> 0:35:39.040 Martin Moull, huge staple character actor of My Youth, for sure, 0:35:39.200 --> 0:35:41.640 And he's telling the cops that he instructed the wrongs 0:35:41.680 --> 0:35:45.600 to give Antonia yogurt and Benson goes yogurt for aids, 0:35:45.719 --> 0:35:48.560 Are you out of your mind? And then doctor Cucko says, 0:35:48.680 --> 0:35:52.120 not every patient with HIV needs medication. He says Antonia 0:35:52.160 --> 0:35:54.680 had a minor case of thrush and he chose alternative treatment, 0:35:54.719 --> 0:35:57.000 which has worked very well. It's like, no, it hasn't. 0:35:57.040 --> 0:36:00.280 She's in the hospital. Stabler's like, your alternative treatment almost 0:36:00.320 --> 0:36:02.080 killed her. And he's like, well, then they should have 0:36:02.080 --> 0:36:04.120 come back here for more therapy, and Benson goes like, 0:36:04.120 --> 0:36:04.800 what pudding? 0:36:05.040 --> 0:36:05.880 Which love it? 0:36:05.920 --> 0:36:09.400 I'm loving the SaaS he says anti fungal medication like 0:36:09.480 --> 0:36:14.000 any other medical professional would prescribe, and Stabler argues that 0:36:14.080 --> 0:36:16.719 any medical professional would have given an HIV positive child 0:36:16.800 --> 0:36:19.600 medication from visit one and he calls him a quack 0:36:19.640 --> 0:36:22.080 and doctor Hutton's like, well, that's a wrap on our conversation, 0:36:22.160 --> 0:36:24.200 and Stabler goes how many people has he cured with 0:36:24.320 --> 0:36:26.960 vitamins and yogurt? And He's like, I gotta go. I 0:36:27.000 --> 0:36:29.400 have patients to go kill. So in the next scene, 0:36:29.480 --> 0:36:31.919 Benson and Stabler are in a barisk walk and talk 0:36:31.960 --> 0:36:35.719 with our all time favorite Ada Kim Gray Lick Bear 0:36:35.760 --> 0:36:39.680 Bear Bear JK she's the worst, but you know she's 0:36:39.680 --> 0:36:42.359 fighting for the right thing in this episode. And she's like, 0:36:42.719 --> 0:36:44.839 get the state Medical Board on his ass, like this 0:36:44.880 --> 0:36:48.040 isn't really my business, Like he's a walking mile practice lawsuit, 0:36:48.080 --> 0:36:49.719 but it's not really SVU territory. 0:36:50.280 --> 0:36:52.640 And she goes, yogurt is not a murder weapon. 0:36:52.680 --> 0:36:56.200 Holistic medicine is legal and people can choose their own treatments, 0:36:56.440 --> 0:36:59.280 and Stabler's like, yeah, when they're based in science, not voodoo. 0:37:00.239 --> 0:37:02.799 Munch with the info and the color commentary, and he goes, 0:37:02.880 --> 0:37:05.600 I checked out doctor Demento's website. It's called the Truth 0:37:05.640 --> 0:37:08.480 about HIV, and this guy's claiming that there is no 0:37:08.640 --> 0:37:10.440 proof that HIV causes AIDS and. 0:37:10.400 --> 0:37:13.080 That Big Farmer's drugs are going to kill you. 0:37:13.719 --> 0:37:16.399 So he thinks that AIDS is a global conspiracy run 0:37:16.440 --> 0:37:20.000 by big pharma for money, and Finn pipes in and goes, yeah, 0:37:20.040 --> 0:37:22.080 and my parents thought that HIV was created in a 0:37:22.160 --> 0:37:24.200 lab and that the CIA spread it into prisons to 0:37:24.280 --> 0:37:25.640 kill blacks and gays. 0:37:25.840 --> 0:37:26.680 I don't think that. 0:37:26.480 --> 0:37:29.279 That's true, but I don't think it's also crazy to 0:37:29.360 --> 0:37:32.040 believe that the government has done shady shit like this, 0:37:32.320 --> 0:37:36.040 right because they have. The doctor is an AIDS denier, 0:37:36.520 --> 0:37:40.120 which I truly did not know. This was a thing 0:37:40.600 --> 0:37:43.640 part of a small community that believe HIV doesn't cause 0:37:43.680 --> 0:37:48.040 AIDS and that AIDS doesn't actually exist. And they fill 0:37:48.120 --> 0:37:50.240 us in that Antonia is doing okay, but the doctor's 0:37:50.280 --> 0:37:51.000 so rude. 0:37:51.080 --> 0:37:53.520 It's like, okay, so all these people fucking died. 0:37:53.800 --> 0:37:56.800 It's kind of like the Sandy Hook deniers, Holocaust deniers, 0:37:56.800 --> 0:37:57.239 all of it. 0:37:57.360 --> 0:37:57.760 Totally. 0:37:57.880 --> 0:38:03.360 How fucking dare you take people's true tragedies and just 0:38:03.400 --> 0:38:06.040 saying no, yeah, I don't get it. 0:38:06.520 --> 0:38:10.160 Yeah, And this episode came out in two thousand and eight. 0:38:10.280 --> 0:38:13.759 It's like, this isn't I don't know. It's very it's 0:38:13.920 --> 0:38:16.920 very shocking. So we find out that Antonia is doing okay, 0:38:16.920 --> 0:38:18.440 but that her doctor doesn't think she'll make it to 0:38:18.520 --> 0:38:21.319 high school, which is that's very sad, but hopefully that's 0:38:21.800 --> 0:38:23.680 not true because so much, so much, like I feel 0:38:23.719 --> 0:38:27.000 like there's been so much progress. Honestly, the fictional Antonia 0:38:27.080 --> 0:38:30.160 I think is still with us. Graylex says that Antonia 0:38:30.239 --> 0:38:32.080 can't be Hutton's first fuck up, and it's time to 0:38:32.080 --> 0:38:34.920 put Doctor Do Nothing out of business. So now Graylock's 0:38:35.000 --> 0:38:37.480 like Okay, now I'm into this, but he's not going 0:38:37.560 --> 0:38:38.839 to be helpful, so how are we going to find 0:38:38.840 --> 0:38:41.000 his patients? And Gray look's like, remember I was a 0:38:41.040 --> 0:38:43.920 crusader in DC. I've gotten media friends and we'll use 0:38:44.000 --> 0:38:46.720 them to smoke him out. So we cut to graylic 0:38:46.760 --> 0:38:48.920 in full press conference mode. She does look good for 0:38:48.960 --> 0:38:51.880 the calen camera. She's a beautiful girl, and she's flashing 0:38:51.880 --> 0:38:54.200 a photo of Antonia and she's acting like they're trying 0:38:54.200 --> 0:38:57.120 to find Antonia's father, which is there's virtually no way 0:38:57.160 --> 0:38:59.719 of finding that out, like no one will, no one 0:38:59.760 --> 0:39:02.080 knows who this father is. But then she reveals that 0:39:02.120 --> 0:39:05.960 the reason Antonia's hospitalized is because of this doctor's negligence, 0:39:06.120 --> 0:39:09.600 and she gives his name and encourages the public to 0:39:09.600 --> 0:39:11.480 come forward. So then we cut to the end of 0:39:11.520 --> 0:39:13.440 this press or being watched on a TV and we 0:39:13.520 --> 0:39:16.200 pull out to see doctor Hutton in Cragan's office with 0:39:16.360 --> 0:39:19.680 his lawyer, defense attorney Donna Emmett played by the one 0:39:19.680 --> 0:39:23.239 and only Viola Davis, and Hutton is calling this libelous 0:39:23.320 --> 0:39:26.319 trash and Emmett says that they are propagating lies about 0:39:26.320 --> 0:39:29.600 her client. It's like wild because Viola Davis. It's like 0:39:29.680 --> 0:39:32.960 you are Donna Emmett. It's like you're a high power 0:39:33.040 --> 0:39:35.120 defense attorney, and it's like, I think there's some cases 0:39:35.160 --> 0:39:37.439 that defense attorneys still won't touch, and like a man 0:39:38.400 --> 0:39:40.759 hurting children who are JAV positive doesn't feel like a 0:39:40.800 --> 0:39:42.520 case you're going to be like, I need this one 0:39:42.520 --> 0:39:43.719 for the money, like you don't. 0:39:44.280 --> 0:39:46.640 And Craigan she might believe in it. She might take 0:39:46.680 --> 0:39:49.040 her kids there. She might, she might. 0:39:49.760 --> 0:39:52.719 And Cragan is like, it's gray Lick's issue. Why don't 0:39:52.719 --> 0:39:54.480 you go bark up her tree? And she's like no. 0:39:54.680 --> 0:39:58.359 Benson and Stabler interrogated my client without me present, but 0:39:58.400 --> 0:40:01.440 Stabler said that was just a friendly and when we 0:40:01.480 --> 0:40:04.359 interrogate him, he'll know it because he'll feel my hot 0:40:04.440 --> 0:40:06.840 breath on the back of his neck. And Hutton's like, 0:40:06.960 --> 0:40:09.680 you're scaring my patients, and Stablers like they should be scared, 0:40:10.160 --> 0:40:12.160 and then they storm out and Emmett threatens a huge 0:40:12.200 --> 0:40:14.760 lawsuit if they don't apologize publicly within twenty four hours. 0:40:14.960 --> 0:40:16.840 So then Munch comes in with the results of the 0:40:16.840 --> 0:40:19.760 tip line, and it's mostly people saying that doctor Hutton 0:40:19.840 --> 0:40:22.480 rules that he's the smartest doctor of all time. But 0:40:22.520 --> 0:40:24.880 there was one anonymous call saying he's treating a girl 0:40:25.000 --> 0:40:27.040 named Lisa Ross and he's not doing anything. 0:40:27.600 --> 0:40:29.040 So they show up at the Ross house. 0:40:29.080 --> 0:40:32.160 A teen boy answers and tells them that Dundun his 0:40:32.280 --> 0:40:35.840 sister is dead. So top of aac two, they're gathered 0:40:35.880 --> 0:40:38.759 around a TV with Lisa's mom watching home videos of 0:40:38.800 --> 0:40:41.720 her and paused and she looks happy on a swing 0:40:41.920 --> 0:40:44.560 and she goes, this is two months ago, just before 0:40:44.600 --> 0:40:47.120 she died, and she looks pretty healthy and happy, and 0:40:47.160 --> 0:40:49.799 the mom says, she had an allergic reaction to penicillin 0:40:50.000 --> 0:40:51.840 cough and she had a cough and a fever, and 0:40:51.880 --> 0:40:54.600 I took her to doctor Hutton. He prescribed a moxicillin. 0:40:55.080 --> 0:40:56.880 After one dough, she was having trouble breathing, so she 0:40:56.960 --> 0:40:58.560 rushed her back to the doctor's office and then he 0:40:58.560 --> 0:41:00.359 gave her a shot of adrenaline. He shocked your heart, 0:41:00.400 --> 0:41:03.200 but it was too late, so they're like, okay, So 0:41:03.280 --> 0:41:05.360 no one knew she was allergic to penicillin. And the 0:41:05.360 --> 0:41:07.880 mom's like, no, she was very healthy until this cold. 0:41:08.280 --> 0:41:11.120 And then Benson tells her about this anonymous call and 0:41:11.160 --> 0:41:14.000 she's like, it's not Hutton's fault. It was an accident 0:41:14.080 --> 0:41:17.520 that she died, so they want to see Lisa's medical records, 0:41:17.520 --> 0:41:19.799 and the mom's like, look, my husband died when I 0:41:19.920 --> 0:41:22.640 was just pregnant with Lisa, and now I can barely 0:41:22.640 --> 0:41:24.279 get out of bed in the morning because I don't 0:41:24.280 --> 0:41:25.200 have my daughter anymore. 0:41:25.320 --> 0:41:27.360 Just leave me and Tommy alone. And her son is 0:41:27.440 --> 0:41:28.840 named Tommy, and it is wild. 0:41:29.239 --> 0:41:31.200 One of our listeners has compiled a list of how 0:41:31.239 --> 0:41:33.759 many side characters are named Tommy in this show, and 0:41:33.800 --> 0:41:36.279 it is insane, like they just can never think of 0:41:36.280 --> 0:41:40.120 a little brother's name ever besides Tommy. It's like a Bengi, 0:41:41.160 --> 0:41:43.439 a little Nikki. I mean there has been a little 0:41:43.480 --> 0:41:46.879 Nikki actually. But the plot thickens, Benson and Stabler tell 0:41:46.880 --> 0:41:49.920 Graylak that there was never even an autopsy done by 0:41:49.920 --> 0:41:53.160 a medical examiner on Lisa because Hutton signed the death certificate, 0:41:53.719 --> 0:41:56.080 and Gray look's like, the a medical examiner is supposed 0:41:56.120 --> 0:41:58.400 to investigate every sudden death of a child in the city. 0:41:58.600 --> 0:42:00.640 But they're like, no, unless it happens in hospital or 0:42:00.719 --> 0:42:03.640 a doctor's office where life saving efforts are documented, then 0:42:03.680 --> 0:42:05.719 they can just sign it and there's no need for 0:42:05.719 --> 0:42:08.440 the autopsy. So no autopsy means we have no idea 0:42:08.480 --> 0:42:10.680 that she was HIV positive, and we do not have 0:42:10.800 --> 0:42:12.960 enough to convince a judge to subpoena her records. 0:42:13.200 --> 0:42:14.680 We need the anonymous tipster. 0:42:15.280 --> 0:42:17.360 So now we're back to Reuben Morales, and he's annoyed 0:42:17.360 --> 0:42:19.080 because he's like, why can't we just track the tip 0:42:19.120 --> 0:42:20.920 line and they're like, because then no one will leave tips. 0:42:20.920 --> 0:42:23.680 Dog Like, we can't like really do that. So meanwhile, 0:42:23.719 --> 0:42:27.200 Stabler's doing some snooping into the mom. So this woman's 0:42:27.239 --> 0:42:31.480 a private school teacher in Connecticut and then suddenly, out 0:42:31.480 --> 0:42:33.799 of the blue, three years ago, she's a stay at 0:42:33.800 --> 0:42:36.200 home mom with a condo in Manhattan and a ton 0:42:36.239 --> 0:42:38.040 of money, and they show she has over two million 0:42:38.080 --> 0:42:40.439 dollars in her bank account, and boy, it looks lovely 0:42:40.480 --> 0:42:42.680 to see a bank account with like seven figures in it. 0:42:42.680 --> 0:42:43.479 It's pretty cool. 0:42:44.000 --> 0:42:46.440 Then Morales pulls up the call from the tipst and 0:42:46.480 --> 0:42:48.520 it sounds like a middle aged man. He's like, he 0:42:48.600 --> 0:42:51.160 knows Lisa Ross, her doctor and her address, but he 0:42:51.160 --> 0:42:53.440 doesn't know that she died two months ago, so like, who. 0:42:53.280 --> 0:42:53.759 Is this guy? 0:42:54.120 --> 0:42:56.239 There's a sound of a school bell ringing right before 0:42:56.280 --> 0:42:59.000 the guy hangs up and they're like, oh, Susan Ross 0:42:59.040 --> 0:43:02.560 was a teacher. Maybe it's a coworker, Maybe it's Jack Lufton. 0:43:02.680 --> 0:43:06.479 He co signed her car loan and teaches chemistry. So boom, 0:43:06.520 --> 0:43:09.240 boom boom, we are getting right to this tipster pretty 0:43:09.280 --> 0:43:12.080 quickly without actually having to track his call. So now 0:43:12.080 --> 0:43:15.560 they're at Stamford Preparatory School in Stanford, Connecticut, which I 0:43:15.680 --> 0:43:17.919 did live in Stanford, Connecticut from ages four to eight, 0:43:18.000 --> 0:43:20.920 and that is not a real school, and they're talking 0:43:20.920 --> 0:43:23.320 to Jack Lufton. He's played by an actor named Richard 0:43:23.400 --> 0:43:27.439 Joseph Paul and that's just three men's names. And he's 0:43:27.440 --> 0:43:29.320 been in two other svus. He's also been in Criminal 0:43:29.440 --> 0:43:32.239 Senan Original, but I don't He's like familiar but not. 0:43:32.880 --> 0:43:35.080 He says he didn't know that Lisa died, but he's 0:43:35.120 --> 0:43:37.799 not surprised. He said after Lisa was born, he and 0:43:37.840 --> 0:43:40.279 Susan dated for about one and a half years. He 0:43:40.360 --> 0:43:44.000 was monogamous the entire time. Then on an insurance physical 0:43:44.040 --> 0:43:47.200 he came up HIV positive. He went nuts on Susan 0:43:47.280 --> 0:43:51.000 and she said, quote, what's the big deal? HIV doesn't 0:43:51.000 --> 0:43:54.799 make you sick, So apparently what happened was Susan and 0:43:54.840 --> 0:43:57.600 her husband Ed and Tommy went on Safari and Kenya 0:43:57.680 --> 0:44:01.080 in two thousand and three. Their jeep flipped over and 0:44:01.320 --> 0:44:04.080 Ed was killed. Tommy was fine, and the blood transfusion 0:44:04.080 --> 0:44:06.880 that saves Susan's life infected her, and then she infected 0:44:07.239 --> 0:44:11.760 her boyfriend, John Jacob Jingle Hunter Fel what's his name again. 0:44:12.520 --> 0:44:14.080 Jack Jack Lufton? Okay. 0:44:14.400 --> 0:44:16.960 He says, I'm on anti retrovirals, which I'm gonna call 0:44:17.160 --> 0:44:19.239 ARVs from now on because it's such a mouthful, and 0:44:19.239 --> 0:44:20.839 that's what they called him in the episode A Lot. 0:44:21.080 --> 0:44:23.680 He's like, I'm on ARVs. My viral load is near zero, 0:44:23.719 --> 0:44:26.120 and I feel great. And he told the school right away, 0:44:26.239 --> 0:44:28.799 and he thinks that's why she got fired, and the 0:44:28.840 --> 0:44:31.960 school paid her seven figures so she wouldn't sue. And 0:44:32.000 --> 0:44:33.560 they're like, why did she get fired or not you 0:44:33.600 --> 0:44:35.960 and he's like, because she thinks HIV is harmless If 0:44:36.000 --> 0:44:38.880 she cuts herself and infects the student, She's like, you know, 0:44:38.960 --> 0:44:41.040 she gets cut and is like, no worries. Kids, Everybody 0:44:41.040 --> 0:44:42.640 come over here and take a drop of my blood, 0:44:42.719 --> 0:44:45.360 you know, And then he tells them that she's reckless. 0:44:45.400 --> 0:44:46.439 With her own kids as well. 0:44:46.560 --> 0:44:49.839 She breastfed Lisa for a year because doctor Hutton told 0:44:49.880 --> 0:44:50.680 her it was okay. 0:44:51.320 --> 0:44:51.840 Yikes. 0:44:52.239 --> 0:44:53.800 So now we're at the precinct and we're getting some 0:44:53.880 --> 0:44:57.080 of this medical info I alluded to earlier from Melinda. 0:44:57.520 --> 0:44:59.480 So she says two thirds of the world's kids get 0:44:59.480 --> 0:45:02.160 with HIV get infected during pregnancy or at birth from 0:45:02.239 --> 0:45:04.840 their mother, and the rest get it from breastfeeding. She 0:45:04.960 --> 0:45:08.360 says in the US, HIV positive women have a ninety 0:45:08.400 --> 0:45:10.520 eight percent chance of having a healthy baby if they 0:45:10.560 --> 0:45:13.560 take ARVs during pregnancy and they put the kid on 0:45:13.680 --> 0:45:16.600 meds right after birth, which Susan didn't do because she 0:45:16.640 --> 0:45:20.520 didn't believe that HIV is harmful. So that's criminally negligitent homicide. 0:45:20.560 --> 0:45:20.919 They say. 0:45:21.440 --> 0:45:23.719 If Hutton knew that Susan had HIV, he had a 0:45:23.760 --> 0:45:26.640 legal duty to have the kids tested. Doctors have to 0:45:26.680 --> 0:45:30.080 offer patients treatments that are proven effective. In Lisa's case, 0:45:30.120 --> 0:45:33.040 an HIV test and ARVs if she tested positive, and 0:45:33.040 --> 0:45:35.200 Stabler's like, well, how do we prove she died of 0:45:35.239 --> 0:45:38.560 AIDS and not a reaction to penicillin? And Graylex says 0:45:38.960 --> 0:45:41.600 led subpoena the files, but Melinda said, there's really only 0:45:41.640 --> 0:45:43.880 one conclusive way to find out what killed Lisa, and 0:45:43.920 --> 0:45:49.439 it does involve a shovel cut to the gravestone. Cut 0:45:49.480 --> 0:45:52.839 to the gravestone of Lisa Ross. I love when they 0:45:53.000 --> 0:45:57.040 zum a body body. I know, I know the family 0:45:57.080 --> 0:45:59.319 must feel terrible, but I'm always like, get in there, 0:45:59.440 --> 0:46:03.960 find the So we cut to this graystone of Lisa 0:46:04.160 --> 0:46:07.640 as a truck starts digging into her plot. Melinda's narrating 0:46:07.680 --> 0:46:10.239 with her voiceover as the casket has e zoomed, and 0:46:10.280 --> 0:46:13.279 it's like it's like Melinda doing her notes basically. And 0:46:13.320 --> 0:46:15.719 the next thing we see Susan find out about the 0:46:15.760 --> 0:46:17.600 exhamation and she is not pleased. 0:46:17.600 --> 0:46:19.560 She's like, you dug up my daughter? How could you 0:46:19.640 --> 0:46:19.880 do that? 0:46:20.440 --> 0:46:23.040 And Benson's like, how could you kill her? Like she's 0:46:23.160 --> 0:46:25.839 very deadpan. Her lawyer is like, she had the right 0:46:25.920 --> 0:46:28.160 to breastfeed her child, and it's like, sir, that is 0:46:28.239 --> 0:46:30.120 really not what we're talking about here, Like it's not 0:46:30.200 --> 0:46:32.840 about breastfeeding. She did not have the right to infect 0:46:32.880 --> 0:46:36.000 her child with HIV and withhold medication from her. And 0:46:36.080 --> 0:46:38.960 Susan is still on the I didn't hurt my baby 0:46:39.000 --> 0:46:41.319 train I didn't make her sick, Like she's just like 0:46:41.440 --> 0:46:42.600 truly not getting it. 0:46:42.719 --> 0:46:44.319 Melinda is now doing the autopsy. 0:46:44.520 --> 0:46:46.719 We're cutting back and forth between like them talking to 0:46:46.760 --> 0:46:49.680 people and Melinda doing this autopsy. So now we flash 0:46:49.760 --> 0:46:52.320 back to an interrogation with doctor Hutton and Viola Davis, 0:46:52.360 --> 0:46:54.680 and she's arguing that he did everything he could to 0:46:54.680 --> 0:46:57.240 save Lisa, but Gray looks like, yeah, everything except treat 0:46:57.239 --> 0:47:00.719 the ticking time bomb that's inside of her. And he said, which, 0:47:00.800 --> 0:47:02.600 by the way, I would not refer to HIV or 0:47:02.600 --> 0:47:05.080 AIDS as a ticking time bomb today. I think she's 0:47:05.080 --> 0:47:07.680 being dramatic for the show. And he says he doesn't 0:47:07.719 --> 0:47:09.759 know what she's talking about, and neither does she. Like 0:47:09.840 --> 0:47:11.560 this is one of these doctors who's like, I'm a 0:47:11.600 --> 0:47:14.000 doctor and I know everything and you know nothing. And 0:47:14.040 --> 0:47:16.640 the only thing we don't know is if Lisa was 0:47:16.680 --> 0:47:19.000 your first mistake, is what Graylax says. And she's like, 0:47:19.040 --> 0:47:20.880 but you can bet your ass she's your last. So 0:47:21.120 --> 0:47:23.000 you know, great, we're getting some good Gray li like 0:47:23.000 --> 0:47:26.400 in this back to Melinda's autopsy, the liver and the 0:47:26.480 --> 0:47:30.040 kidneys appear enlarged. There's an ulcerated lesion on the upper 0:47:30.040 --> 0:47:32.879 lip that suggests a viral inclusion. Look at me, I'm 0:47:32.880 --> 0:47:35.279 a medical examiner using all these words. And then we 0:47:35.360 --> 0:47:38.000 cut to Susan and she's like, doctor Hutton said it 0:47:38.000 --> 0:47:39.920 was a cankerstor and it would go away. And she 0:47:39.960 --> 0:47:42.560 admits she took Lisa to doctor Hutton a few times 0:47:42.920 --> 0:47:45.560 before when she was sick, but he didn't prescribe the 0:47:45.560 --> 0:47:48.760 antibiotics until the last visit. And according to doctor Hutton, 0:47:48.800 --> 0:47:50.440 she was sick for three weeks and he goes, she 0:47:50.480 --> 0:47:52.200 had a hell of a cold. Like this guy's not 0:47:52.360 --> 0:47:57.080 even at all remorseful now that like she's passed away, 0:47:57.200 --> 0:47:59.160 like that he's done anything wrong. He's just like, wow, yeah, 0:47:59.200 --> 0:48:02.080 that was a crazy cold. Well, and that's the whole thing. 0:48:02.120 --> 0:48:04.480 And they get to it in this episode, but like 0:48:04.640 --> 0:48:08.040 for them to admit that means everything crashes down. 0:48:08.719 --> 0:48:10.440 Yes, Like they can't. 0:48:10.640 --> 0:48:13.600 They can't because then their whole worldview is wrong. 0:48:13.920 --> 0:48:14.160 Right. 0:48:14.320 --> 0:48:17.120 It's like those men on the streets where someone is like, 0:48:18.040 --> 0:48:20.600 didn't God kill all the first male born babies? 0:48:20.640 --> 0:48:23.040 And then the people just have to run away yeah yah. 0:48:23.000 --> 0:48:24.759 Yeah, where they're like, you know what against is also 0:48:24.760 --> 0:48:26.960 against the Bible, Like talking to people when you're on 0:48:27.000 --> 0:48:29.640 your period or wearing mixed fibers and they're like, wait, what, 0:48:30.000 --> 0:48:33.000 Like you know, you just blow people's minds. This guy 0:48:33.239 --> 0:48:35.239 never thought that it was serious until the mom brought 0:48:35.280 --> 0:48:36.560 him back for the final time, and that's when he 0:48:36.600 --> 0:48:39.040 gave her the amoxacillin, which, by the way, I don't 0:48:39.040 --> 0:48:41.759 think any doctor would say that they would prescribe an 0:48:41.760 --> 0:48:44.680 emoxicillin for a cold, so it's obviously something worse than 0:48:44.680 --> 0:48:45.080 a cold. 0:48:45.719 --> 0:48:48.000 He didn't take blood or do a chest X ray. 0:48:48.160 --> 0:48:51.000 Why subject her to needles an unnecessary dose of radiation. 0:48:51.440 --> 0:48:53.040 He listened to her lungs and they were clear. 0:48:53.320 --> 0:48:53.760 Uh oh. 0:48:53.920 --> 0:48:58.040 Busted back at Melinda's audiobook recording, where she is noting 0:48:58.160 --> 0:49:02.320 that the lungs had significant conject and she had white, patchy, 0:49:02.360 --> 0:49:05.719 fluffy masses in the lower lobe, which means she died 0:49:05.840 --> 0:49:08.719 of numosis sick pneumonia, which Melinda says she has only 0:49:08.760 --> 0:49:12.279 ever seen in AIDS patients, and so she's ruling this 0:49:12.320 --> 0:49:15.960 a homicide. Benson walks right into the interrogation room and 0:49:16.040 --> 0:49:19.320 arrests Susan for murdering her daughter. Stabler's bringing doctor Hutton 0:49:19.320 --> 0:49:21.360 out in cuffs as well. Who's screaming about how he 0:49:21.480 --> 0:49:24.320 delivered that child, he didn't murder her. And then Tommy, 0:49:24.360 --> 0:49:26.600 the teen is standing right there and he's like, Lisa 0:49:26.680 --> 0:49:29.920 was murdered. And then Hutton is like, don't believe them, Tommy, 0:49:29.960 --> 0:49:32.000 and then Tommy lunges for his mom, like you can't 0:49:32.000 --> 0:49:34.080 take her to jail, and she goes, stay strong, Tommy, 0:49:34.280 --> 0:49:36.799 don't go against your conscience, you know the truth, and 0:49:36.840 --> 0:49:39.200 the scene ends with Tommy like being held back by 0:49:39.239 --> 0:49:43.800 Stabler and he's heavy breathing, and Stabler's likesh. 0:49:42.600 --> 0:49:44.279 Like, you know, like babying him. 0:49:44.560 --> 0:49:48.840 And his haircut, I would say, is like Jonathan Taylor Thomas. 0:49:49.080 --> 0:49:49.560 Yeah it is. 0:49:49.680 --> 0:49:54.160 Yeah, it is absolute, like early two thousand's butt cut 0:49:54.320 --> 0:49:59.240 like wave like kid, absolute teen boy hair You're correct 0:49:59.760 --> 0:50:03.120 to back three. Melinda is walking us slash the jury 0:50:03.160 --> 0:50:06.120 through a PowerPoint style animation of how HIV attacks life 0:50:06.120 --> 0:50:08.239 saving T cells. This is like shit you learn in 0:50:08.320 --> 0:50:10.880 third grade. The T cells are what fight your disease. 0:50:10.920 --> 0:50:14.000 But eventually the disease destroys the T cells faster than 0:50:14.040 --> 0:50:16.200 the body can make them, and it destroys the immune system, 0:50:16.200 --> 0:50:19.040 which then causes aids. Doctor Warner testifies that it's been 0:50:19.200 --> 0:50:22.880 AIDS has been studied, photographed, cultured, grown outside the body, 0:50:22.920 --> 0:50:25.120 it's been fully documented, and it's killed more than twenty 0:50:25.160 --> 0:50:28.600 five million people since nineteen eighty one, including Lisa Ross. So, 0:50:28.719 --> 0:50:31.040 doctor Hutton and Susan Ross are both sitting at the 0:50:31.040 --> 0:50:33.520 defendant's table, and now it's Viola Davis's turn, and she 0:50:33.680 --> 0:50:37.000 is big mad, okay, she is ready to lay into Warner. 0:50:37.360 --> 0:50:40.359 She's like, so every disease that allegedly causes AIDS can 0:50:40.400 --> 0:50:43.720 also occur in people without HIV, right, She's like yes, 0:50:43.840 --> 0:50:47.920 And then she's like, so was the HIV? Did you 0:50:47.920 --> 0:50:50.399 find HIV in Lisa Ros's blood? And Warner says no, 0:50:50.480 --> 0:50:52.920 but then she gets interrupted, and then Viola's like, well, 0:50:52.960 --> 0:50:55.640 isn't it possible that her PCP pneumonia was caused by 0:50:55.640 --> 0:50:56.800 something other than HIV? 0:50:56.960 --> 0:50:59.440 And Melinda's like, it's not that simple, and Viola. 0:50:59.239 --> 0:51:02.160 Davis goes the hearing problem doctor and graylik is like, 0:51:02.239 --> 0:51:04.520 is this bitch gonna let Melinda talk or what? And 0:51:04.560 --> 0:51:06.759 the judge tells Emmett to chill out. And this is 0:51:06.840 --> 0:51:09.080 Judge Walter Bradley. We have seen him many other times. 0:51:09.360 --> 0:51:12.120 And Melinda says, I didn't find HIV in the bloodstream 0:51:12.160 --> 0:51:14.759 because she'd been embalmed. Anything causing a compromise of the 0:51:14.760 --> 0:51:19.640 immune system can cause PCP, pneumonia, cancer, malnutrition, radiation, poisoning, 0:51:19.680 --> 0:51:22.920 toxic chemicals. Too bad, there's no evidence of any of 0:51:22.920 --> 0:51:25.719 those other conditions. So I concluded that she died of 0:51:25.760 --> 0:51:29.319 AIDS caused by untreated HIV because Hutton refused to treat it. 0:51:29.360 --> 0:51:31.880 And she points her finger at this old quack doctor. 0:51:32.320 --> 0:51:34.520 So now doctor Bananas is up on the stand saying 0:51:34.520 --> 0:51:37.080 all his nonsense because he knows better than renowned doctors 0:51:37.080 --> 0:51:40.360 from all over the world, and he's like, HIV's a retrovirus, 0:51:40.400 --> 0:51:43.239 and no retrovirus has been proven to kill cells. But 0:51:43.320 --> 0:51:46.000 Emmett says, yeah, but we just saw the cartoon doing that. 0:51:46.400 --> 0:51:48.360 And then he says cartoons have always been used to 0:51:48.360 --> 0:51:51.239 spread propaganda that AIDS as the country's biggest health risk 0:51:51.280 --> 0:51:53.839 and that we're all at risk. He says they're using 0:51:53.920 --> 0:51:57.040 fear to motivate so that government researchers can get billions 0:51:57.040 --> 0:51:59.479 in funding to cure a disease that kills mostly drug 0:51:59.480 --> 0:52:02.839 addictsing gays. It's like Jesus. This episode is from two 0:52:02.840 --> 0:52:04.880 thousand and eight, it's like not that long ago. And 0:52:04.960 --> 0:52:08.839 also I can't believe any lawyer would ever put this 0:52:08.880 --> 0:52:11.040 guy on the stand, knowing the things he's gonna say 0:52:11.239 --> 0:52:13.279 that he's saying, like, why do we care so much 0:52:13.280 --> 0:52:15.240 about a disease it only kills gays and drug addicts? 0:52:15.320 --> 0:52:18.120 Like why are we letting this like truly bigoted man 0:52:18.280 --> 0:52:19.600 be on the stand? 0:52:19.760 --> 0:52:21.439 VELAs should have intervened. 0:52:21.680 --> 0:52:24.279 But also he's an arrogant man, so of course he 0:52:24.440 --> 0:52:25.880 has to get on the sand. 0:52:26.200 --> 0:52:27.920 But I feel a real lawyer would never put a 0:52:27.960 --> 0:52:30.880 momba for television. We must see him talk. He explains 0:52:30.880 --> 0:52:34.000 that diseases attributed incorrectly to AIDS are caused by blood 0:52:34.040 --> 0:52:39.560 toxicity from repeated recreational drug use, malnutrition, and anti HIV medications. 0:52:39.760 --> 0:52:43.520 So all right, whatever, sir gray Lix turn he's like, hey, bro, 0:52:43.640 --> 0:52:45.320 have you ever so much as written a high school 0:52:45.320 --> 0:52:47.440 science paper on HIV or AIDS? And he's like, no, 0:52:47.560 --> 0:52:50.080 I have not, And he hasn't published a paper or 0:52:50.120 --> 0:52:52.680 anything close. And he's like, well, medical journals are all 0:52:52.719 --> 0:52:56.400 about the status quo and they're patently false. And it's like, actually, 0:52:56.440 --> 0:52:59.520 medical journals post tons of new shit all the time, 0:52:59.680 --> 0:53:02.719 and and sometimes it's wrong, like the paper that was 0:53:02.920 --> 0:53:06.680 published about anti vaxxing has been fully recalled, but was 0:53:06.719 --> 0:53:10.239 originally published in a medical journal anyway, So do you 0:53:10.280 --> 0:53:12.600 have any hard evidence for any of these accusations that 0:53:12.640 --> 0:53:14.320 you're making And he's like, Oh, I've got plenty of 0:53:14.360 --> 0:53:16.719 evidence from some of the greatest science minds in the world. 0:53:16.800 --> 0:53:18.759 And she's like, oh, like that biologist in. 0:53:18.719 --> 0:53:21.680 Sam Brand who's been completely shunned by the scientific community, 0:53:22.000 --> 0:53:24.000 or the Minister of health in South Africa who told 0:53:24.040 --> 0:53:27.000 people to use garlic and beat root to treat HIV. 0:53:27.320 --> 0:53:29.160 And he's like, you don't get it. People are being 0:53:29.200 --> 0:53:32.560 wrongly treated and diagnosed. It's a back and forth and 0:53:32.640 --> 0:53:34.480 she's like like Lisa Ross and he's like, she died 0:53:34.520 --> 0:53:36.759 from antibiotics and it's like she died of AIDS. He 0:53:36.800 --> 0:53:39.800 tries to say that Melinda's a pet medical examiner who's biased, 0:53:39.840 --> 0:53:42.799 and he goes go ahead and ask her how many 0:53:42.840 --> 0:53:45.320 of her friends and family members have died of AIDS, 0:53:45.400 --> 0:53:48.640 either here or in Africa, and Graylik's like, are you 0:53:48.719 --> 0:53:50.120 saying that because she's black? 0:53:50.200 --> 0:53:50.920 How dare you? 0:53:51.280 --> 0:53:53.600 And he's like, she has an agenda, just like all 0:53:53.680 --> 0:53:57.080 the doctors who perform unnecessary procedures just to pad their wallets. 0:53:57.320 --> 0:53:57.960 Big pharma. 0:53:58.000 --> 0:54:00.800 I mean, he's like he's making munch like an absolute 0:54:00.840 --> 0:54:04.759 conservative up here, And even Viola Davis is like, fuck, 0:54:04.760 --> 0:54:06.719 I hope the chuck clears, Like how am I? 0:54:06.960 --> 0:54:07.480 How? Like? 0:54:07.560 --> 0:54:09.360 Does I don't understand how this man has a black 0:54:09.480 --> 0:54:14.200 lawyer when he's saying things out there like Melinda has 0:54:14.320 --> 0:54:15.520 more family members who have. 0:54:15.440 --> 0:54:16.600 Died of AIDS because she's black. 0:54:16.840 --> 0:54:18.400 And the judge tells him to shut the fuck up, 0:54:18.400 --> 0:54:21.000 and he finally stops, and so Melinda chases him down 0:54:21.000 --> 0:54:23.520 the court steps, telling him the rate of HIV contraction 0:54:23.640 --> 0:54:25.120 is three times higher in New York City? 0:54:25.360 --> 0:54:27.799 Is that a lie to? He tells Melinda, wake up. 0:54:28.040 --> 0:54:30.960 We have vaccines and we know the body produces antibody, 0:54:31.040 --> 0:54:33.040 so why is there no AIDS vaccine and why is 0:54:33.120 --> 0:54:35.640 not one patient being cured? And Melinda's like, fuck you, 0:54:35.719 --> 0:54:38.120 we all want to cure for AIDS. You're killing people 0:54:38.120 --> 0:54:41.000 with your beliefs. And he's like, my beliefs are scientific facts, 0:54:41.000 --> 0:54:43.319 and she's like, junk science. You're a murderer and a 0:54:43.360 --> 0:54:46.040 false prophet. He goes, that's what they said to Jesus 0:54:46.040 --> 0:54:48.759 and he walks off. And I remember this episode making 0:54:48.800 --> 0:54:50.839 me so furious when I first watched it in two 0:54:50.840 --> 0:54:53.200 thousand and eight, But it's like, I'm not surprised by 0:54:53.200 --> 0:54:55.800 this episode at all now, Like this guy is everywhere. 0:54:55.840 --> 0:54:58.799 This guy is Trump cult people, this guy's anti Voxer's, 0:54:58.840 --> 0:55:02.560 Holocaust deniers, this guy is we see this kind of man, 0:55:02.600 --> 0:55:06.200 And unfortunately, I do believe since Trub's election, these people 0:55:06.239 --> 0:55:08.680 are now speaking up a lot more loudly than just 0:55:08.760 --> 0:55:12.000 this one random wacko doctor in Manhattan, you know. And 0:55:12.080 --> 0:55:14.439 Melinda says to grey Lick, well, I hope the jury 0:55:14.480 --> 0:55:15.760 doesn't think he's the son of God. 0:55:16.200 --> 0:55:17.400 And Gray look's like, I don't know. 0:55:17.560 --> 0:55:20.760 Jury's love conspiracy theories, like they could buy this garbage, 0:55:20.760 --> 0:55:22.520 and Melinda's like, I don't really want to gab with 0:55:22.560 --> 0:55:24.600 you right now, Gray Lick. If you lose this case 0:55:24.600 --> 0:55:27.439 and it gives him more credibility, people are going to die. Bye, girl, 0:55:27.520 --> 0:55:30.120 Go do your job. So on the stand, Susan is 0:55:30.120 --> 0:55:34.000 now testifying. She says she found out she had HIV 0:55:34.120 --> 0:55:36.200 when she was pregnant with Lisa, then they put her 0:55:36.200 --> 0:55:37.399 on anti retrovirals. 0:55:37.640 --> 0:55:39.240 She said that she never. 0:55:39.120 --> 0:55:41.279 Was sicker in her whole life, and it's like, you 0:55:41.320 --> 0:55:43.920 also could just have morning sickness from being pregnant. Then 0:55:44.000 --> 0:55:46.600 a friend recommended doctor Hutton, who took her off the 0:55:46.640 --> 0:55:49.279 meds and he saved her life, you know. And now 0:55:49.280 --> 0:55:51.920 it's Graylock's turn, and she's like, Okay, this woman is 0:55:51.920 --> 0:55:54.359 the mayor of De Lulu Town and she's like, I'm 0:55:54.440 --> 0:55:57.120 proof that Hutton is right, and Lisa's death is not 0:55:57.160 --> 0:55:59.719 proof that he's wrong because that was an accident. And 0:55:59.800 --> 0:56:02.080 she's like, did Hutton tell you not to test Lisa 0:56:02.160 --> 0:56:04.000 for HIV? And she says no, but it feels like 0:56:04.040 --> 0:56:07.120 a lie. And then did he suggest that she take ARVs? 0:56:07.200 --> 0:56:10.080 And she says they almost killed me. I wasn't gonna 0:56:10.160 --> 0:56:12.279 let them give them to my little girl. And then 0:56:12.400 --> 0:56:14.759 gray Lick, she pulls out the big guns. She points 0:56:14.800 --> 0:56:16.399 to a group of people in the gallery and goes, 0:56:16.440 --> 0:56:18.080 do you know any of these people? And she's like no, 0:56:18.520 --> 0:56:20.319 and gray look's like, well, maybe you should. This is 0:56:20.400 --> 0:56:23.319 Donald Ramirez. He was on death's door twenty years ago 0:56:23.400 --> 0:56:25.040 until ARV saved his life. 0:56:25.280 --> 0:56:25.640 ROBERTA. 0:56:25.719 --> 0:56:28.120 Nolan, she tested positive fifteen years ago and is still 0:56:28.120 --> 0:56:31.799 alive today because of ARV's Susan's lawyer. This guy is like, 0:56:32.400 --> 0:56:34.960 I object she's testifying, and the judge tries to stop her, 0:56:34.960 --> 0:56:36.240 but Graylck is on a mission. 0:56:36.520 --> 0:56:37.720 She's like, look at them, Susan. 0:56:37.800 --> 0:56:40.239 These people are alive and Lisa is dead because you 0:56:40.280 --> 0:56:41.040 withheld treatment. 0:56:41.440 --> 0:56:43.440 Suddenly, as we have seen happen in this. 0:56:43.400 --> 0:56:46.040 Courtroom before I feel, Susan falls to the floor and 0:56:46.040 --> 0:56:49.440 begins seizing. Hutton is like, let me get like, let 0:56:49.480 --> 0:56:52.279 me at her. I'm her doctor, and then Melinda is 0:56:52.520 --> 0:56:55.839 there helping this woman and is like, call an ambulance. 0:56:56.080 --> 0:56:58.320 So in the next scene, Susan wakes up at the 0:56:58.320 --> 0:57:01.680 hospital confused. Benson's, lie, you're at Mercy Hospital. She's like, 0:57:01.680 --> 0:57:04.600 what's wrong with me? And It's like, girl, you have toxoplasmosis. 0:57:04.680 --> 0:57:06.600 It's a brain disease that people with AIDS get, and like, 0:57:06.680 --> 0:57:07.880 of course something's wrong with you. 0:57:07.920 --> 0:57:09.520 Why are you so crazy? 0:57:10.080 --> 0:57:12.480 She said she had terrible migraines after Lisa died, and 0:57:12.480 --> 0:57:14.719 that Hutton said it was grieving headaches and that it 0:57:14.760 --> 0:57:17.800 would pass. Benson's like, girl, you knew you had HIV. 0:57:17.920 --> 0:57:19.760 It was only a matter of time before you got sick. 0:57:20.160 --> 0:57:22.040 She says, I needed to believe him. I needed to 0:57:22.080 --> 0:57:23.480 believe that I was going to be okay. And I 0:57:23.480 --> 0:57:25.640 do believe that you can that this delusion can be 0:57:25.720 --> 0:57:28.160 part of it. Like I think I've seen people be 0:57:28.280 --> 0:57:31.320 misdiagnosed with stuff because they have something. 0:57:31.920 --> 0:57:33.920 They just have to believe that they're going to be okay. 0:57:34.320 --> 0:57:38.000 So Hutton was wrong and about Lisa and about you. 0:57:38.080 --> 0:57:39.760 But he's a doctor. Why would he lie to me? 0:57:39.880 --> 0:57:43.160 Susan's crying, She's like finally kind of starting to get it, 0:57:43.680 --> 0:57:46.160 and Benson says, because if he admits the truth, he 0:57:46.160 --> 0:57:48.440 has to take responsibibility for what happened to Lisa and 0:57:48.480 --> 0:57:50.760 what's happening to you. And it's like, has no one 0:57:51.160 --> 0:57:53.440 in this woman's life been a Benson before now, like 0:57:53.560 --> 0:57:55.360 Benson is somehow getting through to her, but no one 0:57:55.360 --> 0:57:57.640 in her let her boyfriend of a year and a half, No, 0:57:57.800 --> 0:58:00.280 she gave HIV too, No one could tell her anything 0:58:00.320 --> 0:58:03.720 about this Hutton guy. But now Benson's she's making a dent. 0:58:04.120 --> 0:58:07.080 So she goes, it's my fault, Lisa's dead. I killed 0:58:07.080 --> 0:58:09.720 my daughter, and then she's like, no, it's because Hutton 0:58:09.720 --> 0:58:13.000 misled you, Like, help us stop him and she's like, well, 0:58:13.080 --> 0:58:15.240 Lisa's not the only child who died, and then she 0:58:15.320 --> 0:58:18.919 goes Tommy and her machine starts beeping and she flatlines 0:58:19.280 --> 0:58:21.880 and Tommy runs into his mom's hospital room and Benson's like, 0:58:21.920 --> 0:58:23.920 I'm sorry. He opens the curtain and his mom is 0:58:23.960 --> 0:58:26.880 behind the curtain and she has passed away. He hugs 0:58:26.880 --> 0:58:28.720 her body and says I'm sorry. I love you, like 0:58:28.800 --> 0:58:30.680 over and over again, and it is a sad moment. 0:58:30.720 --> 0:58:32.720 It is another Tommy losing a family member, which we 0:58:32.720 --> 0:58:35.240 have seen many many times on this show. At the 0:58:35.320 --> 0:58:39.080 DA's office, Grayleck is confronting Hutton about Susan dying of 0:58:39.120 --> 0:58:42.000 AIDS and he's like, you know that didn't happen whatever, 0:58:42.080 --> 0:58:44.160 and they're like, well, she also made a dying declaration. 0:58:44.640 --> 0:58:46.960 She said Lisa wasn't the only child that you killed, 0:58:47.320 --> 0:58:50.240 and Viola Davis goes the demented ramblings of a woman 0:58:50.280 --> 0:58:52.560 whose brain was Swiss cheese. They won't be admissible, and 0:58:52.600 --> 0:58:54.480 it's like, well, yesterday you put her on the stand, 0:58:54.560 --> 0:58:57.080 so I guess neither. We'll have the testimony that Hutton 0:58:57.160 --> 0:58:59.400 is a god and that everything he did was great. 0:58:59.880 --> 0:59:03.440 So they subpoenaed the prescriptions of the pharmacy in the 0:59:03.440 --> 0:59:05.840 building where his office is, which is so smart. My 0:59:05.920 --> 0:59:08.400 mom's a doctor and she always had a pharmacy in 0:59:08.480 --> 0:59:10.680 her building. So if you can't get the records from 0:59:10.720 --> 0:59:13.200 the doctor, you can get the medication records from the CBS. 0:59:13.720 --> 0:59:17.560 Grayleck says they found two kids who were willfully misiagnosed 0:59:17.600 --> 0:59:20.800 and their grieving parents. Because the children have passed and 0:59:20.840 --> 0:59:23.520 so they're exhuming their bodies. Autopsies will prove they died 0:59:23.560 --> 0:59:26.000 of untreated HIV and Viola's like, Okay, the. 0:59:26.000 --> 0:59:27.960 Jig is fucking up. I gotta get out of here. 0:59:28.040 --> 0:59:28.640 What do you want? 0:59:29.040 --> 0:59:31.880 They want him to plead guilty to criminally negligent homicide, 0:59:31.920 --> 0:59:34.360 Just surrender his medical license and his patient records, and 0:59:34.400 --> 0:59:37.080 he'll do five years in jail for three dead kids. 0:59:37.120 --> 0:59:39.520 I feel like five years is not enough. And he 0:59:39.560 --> 0:59:42.360 says I'm not going to make any deals, and Viola's like, 0:59:42.600 --> 0:59:45.960 take the deal, dog, it's over, and he goes, okay, 0:59:45.960 --> 0:59:47.600 but you're not going to silence me. I'm going to 0:59:47.640 --> 0:59:50.200 fucking run for president and the Republicans will nominate me 0:59:50.240 --> 0:59:52.080 and I will speak the truth from my prison cell 0:59:52.120 --> 0:59:55.240 and people will listen. And now We're at the precinct 0:59:55.240 --> 0:59:57.360 where Benson and Stable are going through Hutton's records and 0:59:57.400 --> 0:59:59.680 they found seven families so far that they have to 0:59:59.720 --> 1:00:05.160 notif probably had children die of untreated HIV. And there's 1:00:05.360 --> 1:00:07.120 nine minutes left to this episode, so I know the 1:00:07.160 --> 1:00:10.000 drama's not over, and Live gives a uh oh, and 1:00:10.040 --> 1:00:12.600 she goes something interesting. I just found in Susan's file 1:00:13.200 --> 1:00:17.120 she was actually HIV positive in nineteen ninety three, not 1:00:17.480 --> 1:00:19.600 just a few years ago when Lisa was born and 1:00:19.680 --> 1:00:22.600 Tommy was born in nineteen ninety four, So she lied 1:00:22.640 --> 1:00:24.800 to her ex boyfriend about when she contracted it on 1:00:24.840 --> 1:00:26.000 this Kenyan Safari. 1:00:26.120 --> 1:00:26.880 So now we really have. 1:00:26.840 --> 1:00:28.919 No idea how she contracted it, but she did get 1:00:28.920 --> 1:00:31.400 it in ninety three, before she ever had a baby. 1:00:32.000 --> 1:00:34.560 So basically they're figuring out Tommy could have HIV and 1:00:34.600 --> 1:00:36.120 we've got to get a court order to have him 1:00:36.120 --> 1:00:39.560 tested at the hospital. Elliott is trying to calm down Tommy. 1:00:39.680 --> 1:00:43.040 He is fighting the hospital staff hard. He kicks Stabler 1:00:43.160 --> 1:00:45.280 in the gut, and I'm very sad that this has 1:00:45.280 --> 1:00:47.600 not made it into my Stabler montage of Stabler getting 1:00:47.600 --> 1:00:48.160 his ass kicked. 1:00:48.160 --> 1:00:50.240 Maybe I have to make a second one, because this 1:00:50.320 --> 1:00:50.800 is a good one. 1:00:50.840 --> 1:00:53.040 He gets thrown back against this machine and he's really 1:00:53.120 --> 1:00:54.640 like the wind has been knocked out of him by 1:00:54.680 --> 1:00:56.800 a teen boy. And before they have a chance to 1:00:56.840 --> 1:00:59.000 do the test, Viola Davis shows up with some kind 1:00:59.040 --> 1:01:01.440 of injunction to stop it, saying she's taking Tommy back 1:01:01.440 --> 1:01:04.640 to the shelter, and Stabler's like, he's not your client, 1:01:04.720 --> 1:01:08.160 and she says, staying Strong hired me to wrap him, 1:01:08.160 --> 1:01:12.840 which I'm assuming is Hutton's organization about, you know, denying HIV, 1:01:13.440 --> 1:01:16.560 and that what she just handed them as a restraining 1:01:16.640 --> 1:01:21.240 order preventing them from testing him for HIV. And Stabler's like, 1:01:21.320 --> 1:01:23.840 he's a minor in ACS custody. They have the right 1:01:23.920 --> 1:01:26.800 to make medical decisions for him, and then she says 1:01:26.840 --> 1:01:29.280 he has the right to refuse medical treatment if he's competent. 1:01:29.400 --> 1:01:32.680 So now we have to argue Tommy's competence. Graylick is 1:01:32.800 --> 1:01:35.920 arguing that competence means he understands the consequences of his decision, 1:01:36.000 --> 1:01:38.200 but he probably doesn't because he's been brainwashed his whole 1:01:38.240 --> 1:01:39.560 life by his mom and this doctor. 1:01:40.240 --> 1:01:41.000 So ooh la la. 1:01:41.200 --> 1:01:43.320 Now we see that she's talking to Stabler who's putting 1:01:43.320 --> 1:01:45.880 his shirt back on and he looks, you know, right 1:01:45.920 --> 1:01:49.080 and tight, and he was getting an X ray from 1:01:49.240 --> 1:01:51.000 the kick in the ribs that Tommy gave him, and 1:01:51.040 --> 1:01:54.120 gray Lick's like, well, we don't really have any standing here, 1:01:54.160 --> 1:01:55.960 like there's nothing we can do to compel him to 1:01:55.960 --> 1:01:57.600 take this test, like it's not on us. 1:01:57.600 --> 1:01:58.000 And then the. 1:01:57.960 --> 1:02:01.160 Doctor goes, oh, by the way, Stabler, you've got two 1:02:01.240 --> 1:02:04.160 broken ribs, and gray Lick is like, ooh, eureka, that's 1:02:04.200 --> 1:02:05.840 just what we need. So we don't even really know 1:02:05.880 --> 1:02:07.439 what she's planning. I mean I do because I watch 1:02:07.520 --> 1:02:10.160 hours and hours of the show. But now Stabler shows 1:02:10.200 --> 1:02:12.720 up at Tommy's school and arrests him for assaulting a 1:02:12.760 --> 1:02:15.080 police officer and purp walks him right out of his school, 1:02:15.080 --> 1:02:17.400 which is either going to make him really cool or 1:02:17.400 --> 1:02:20.040 really not. I would say probably really cool. Now at 1:02:20.040 --> 1:02:23.800 a competency hearing, his lawyer is like, Tommy, you get 1:02:23.800 --> 1:02:26.640 that most of the world knows that HIV causes AIDS, Like, 1:02:26.680 --> 1:02:28.960 but do we don't know if Viola Davis believes it. 1:02:29.160 --> 1:02:32.360 She's like, Tommy, you understand the medical facts of the case, 1:02:32.760 --> 1:02:35.800 and he's like, I do and she's like, but your 1:02:35.800 --> 1:02:37.440 mother and doctor Hutton believe differently. 1:02:37.800 --> 1:02:39.480 Why do you believe it? Do you believe it because 1:02:39.480 --> 1:02:41.360 they told you that or because you think it's the truth. 1:02:41.440 --> 1:02:44.080 And then he goes, after we learned about AIDS in school. 1:02:44.120 --> 1:02:45.560 I talk to my mom and she told me there 1:02:45.600 --> 1:02:47.120 was no proof of what they taught me in school, 1:02:47.120 --> 1:02:49.680 and it made sense. So you're basically only believing it 1:02:49.680 --> 1:02:52.160 because your mom told you. And what made so much 1:02:52.200 --> 1:02:53.960 sense to you? He says, and he repeats like the 1:02:54.000 --> 1:02:57.040 same shit We've heard the entire episode, like bullshit, bullshit. 1:02:57.440 --> 1:03:00.240 Oh like it can't it's it's the pharmaceutical company. They 1:03:00.240 --> 1:03:02.600 want the money, blah blah blah. AIDS isn't real. And 1:03:02.600 --> 1:03:05.720 then Grayli asks him do you believe the Holocaust happened? 1:03:05.760 --> 1:03:07.680 And he's like, of course I do. Why would I not? 1:03:07.840 --> 1:03:10.480 And she's like, well, there are Holocaust deniers. Do you 1:03:10.480 --> 1:03:12.440 see how that's the same there are people who think 1:03:12.440 --> 1:03:15.560 the Holocaust didn't happen. And he's like, why would you 1:03:15.600 --> 1:03:18.120 believe someone who tells you AIDS isn't real? The same 1:03:18.120 --> 1:03:19.400 as why would you believe someone who tell you the 1:03:19.400 --> 1:03:21.320 Holocaust isn't real? And he goes because my mom wouldn't 1:03:21.360 --> 1:03:23.040 lie to me. And it's like cue to the slide 1:03:23.080 --> 1:03:25.240 show of the millions of moms who lie to their kids. 1:03:25.280 --> 1:03:28.160 Like cut to me lying to my kids every fucking day, 1:03:28.160 --> 1:03:30.800 telling them that drinking bathwater is going to give them diarrhea. 1:03:30.920 --> 1:03:32.600 It might, it might not, I don't care. 1:03:32.800 --> 1:03:36.440 You also said YouTube doesn't work at your house. Yeah, 1:03:36.640 --> 1:03:38.800 I told them cocomelan does not work at my house. 1:03:38.880 --> 1:03:41.680 I am telling them lies for their health, and uh, 1:03:41.840 --> 1:03:42.400 I don't care. 1:03:42.640 --> 1:03:46.200 It's maybe like I just want them to stop drinking bathwater, 1:03:46.240 --> 1:03:49.800 but they won't. Okay, anyway, drink bathwater so bad they 1:03:49.840 --> 1:03:50.760 know it makes me crazy. 1:03:50.800 --> 1:03:52.080 They'll just dip their faces. 1:03:51.840 --> 1:03:54.560 In and go, I just drank bathwater, and I'm like, stop, 1:03:54.680 --> 1:03:56.200 so I probably should just shut up about it and 1:03:56.200 --> 1:03:56.760 they'll stop. 1:03:57.360 --> 1:04:01.280 But same with pool water. Apparently that does give you diarrhea. 1:04:01.320 --> 1:04:02.959 But I don't know. I'm making things up now. 1:04:03.280 --> 1:04:06.280 Graylick is like, your mom could actually totally lie to 1:04:06.280 --> 1:04:10.960 you because if you are positive for HIV, it would 1:04:11.000 --> 1:04:13.680 shatter her whole fantasy. And he's like, I'm fine, I'm 1:04:13.720 --> 1:04:15.520 not sick. You're just trying to scare me and They're like, 1:04:15.520 --> 1:04:17.720 you should be scared. Your mom would wink your ass 1:04:17.760 --> 1:04:20.840 and she watched your sister die. Do you have to 1:04:20.840 --> 1:04:22.840 be dying too before you can see her lies? And 1:04:22.840 --> 1:04:25.040 then Tommy's like stop it, please stop it, stop it, 1:04:25.080 --> 1:04:27.520 And then Graylick rests. So now it's time for the 1:04:27.560 --> 1:04:30.120 judge to deliberate, and he's like, the question is when 1:04:30.160 --> 1:04:31.920 does the state have the right to force someone to 1:04:31.960 --> 1:04:34.680 receive medical care. If we knew about your sister's case, 1:04:34.680 --> 1:04:36.440 I would have compelled her to be treated because she 1:04:36.480 --> 1:04:38.919 was only four years old. But Tommy is a young man, 1:04:39.040 --> 1:04:41.800 a different story. He's a minor, but he is aware 1:04:41.800 --> 1:04:44.200 of the consequences of not being tested for HIV. The 1:04:44.280 --> 1:04:46.560 judge disagrees with the choice that he's making, but he 1:04:46.560 --> 1:04:48.760 will not take away his right to make the choice 1:04:48.800 --> 1:04:50.640 and make the decisions about his own health, so he 1:04:50.720 --> 1:04:52.000 upholds the restraining order. 1:04:52.520 --> 1:04:53.320 I sort of. 1:04:53.280 --> 1:04:55.920 Don't get that because he does not have confidence. He 1:04:55.960 --> 1:04:59.000 has been brainwashed from a young age, So I disagree 1:04:59.040 --> 1:05:02.160 with the judge. Gray Lick moves immediately to remand Tommy 1:05:02.200 --> 1:05:04.320 without bail for assaulting a cop and being a known 1:05:04.360 --> 1:05:07.160 flight risk, and em It's like, this is vindictive, and 1:05:07.200 --> 1:05:09.240 then Stabler is like gray like, what the fuck are 1:05:09.240 --> 1:05:09.600 you doing? 1:05:09.640 --> 1:05:10.320 And she's like why. 1:05:10.280 --> 1:05:14.120 Yeah, She's like, his mom just died, his sister just died, Yeah, 1:05:14.240 --> 1:05:16.320 his dad died in a Safari accident. 1:05:16.360 --> 1:05:17.560 He really doesn't have anybody. 1:05:17.560 --> 1:05:20.720 He's in a shelter and Grayle's like, I'm treating him 1:05:20.720 --> 1:05:22.400 like the adult he wants to be treated like. And 1:05:22.440 --> 1:05:25.200 then Stabler's like, get some perspective, bitch, Like the only 1:05:25.240 --> 1:05:27.240 crime is guilty of is being born to the wrong mother, 1:05:27.320 --> 1:05:28.560 and stablors like, drop it. 1:05:28.640 --> 1:05:29.120 We lost. 1:05:29.160 --> 1:05:31.360 So Grayleck goes, all right, fine, I withdraw the motion. 1:05:31.480 --> 1:05:34.160 I dismissed the charges, and then Graylex says to Stabler, 1:05:34.160 --> 1:05:36.160 I hope you know what you're doing. So then Tommy 1:05:36.200 --> 1:05:38.120 walks up to Stabler and goes thanks, and he goes, 1:05:38.120 --> 1:05:40.160 you still owe me for the ribs and Tommy goes, well, 1:05:40.200 --> 1:05:42.120 I'm not getting tested, and Stabler was like, just do 1:05:42.200 --> 1:05:42.880 me one favor. 1:05:43.280 --> 1:05:45.080 So now they're at Mercy Hospital. 1:05:44.760 --> 1:05:48.160 To introduce Tommy to someone that doctor Massey introduced Stabler to, 1:05:48.320 --> 1:05:49.680 and it is this kid named Kyle. 1:05:49.720 --> 1:05:51.080 He is sitting on a hospital bed. 1:05:51.400 --> 1:05:55.320 He is bald, clearly from chemo and Tommy goes, you're 1:05:55.360 --> 1:05:57.200 not going to change my mind because he has AIDS, 1:05:57.240 --> 1:06:00.240 and Kyle goes, I don't have AIDS. I have brain cancer. 1:06:00.320 --> 1:06:02.720 I told my parents I didn't feel well, but we're 1:06:02.800 --> 1:06:05.480 Christian scientists, so we don't believe in medicine or doctors. 1:06:05.720 --> 1:06:07.120 My parents just told me to pray. 1:06:07.560 --> 1:06:08.880 He said he knew he was going to be okay 1:06:08.880 --> 1:06:11.160 because he was praying, but then he went blind and 1:06:11.200 --> 1:06:12.960 then his friend took him to the hospital. The doctors 1:06:12.960 --> 1:06:15.280 gave him chemo and radiation and he already got his 1:06:15.360 --> 1:06:18.440 site back. So Tommy goes, oh, your parents must have 1:06:18.480 --> 1:06:20.760 been stoked, and Kyle goes, no, they were pissed. They 1:06:20.800 --> 1:06:23.720 thought I was dissing God. I just want to get better, 1:06:24.040 --> 1:06:26.360 and he's like, what about everything you believe in? Tommy 1:06:26.480 --> 1:06:30.120 asks him, and he's like, well, God created doctors too, 1:06:30.240 --> 1:06:32.120 Like why would he give us cures for diseases and 1:06:32.160 --> 1:06:34.600 treatments if he didn't want us to use them? So 1:06:36.040 --> 1:06:38.000 that seems like it's gotten through to Tommy. We cut 1:06:38.040 --> 1:06:40.600 to Tommy at Melinda's house. Melinda comes out and says, 1:06:40.640 --> 1:06:42.720 Tommy wants to talk to you. Stabler goes and sits 1:06:42.800 --> 1:06:44.160 with him. He goes, you don't have to tell me, 1:06:44.200 --> 1:06:45.960 and he goes, I want to tell you, and he 1:06:46.000 --> 1:06:48.880 goes the test came back positive. He looks pissed and 1:06:48.880 --> 1:06:51.120 he's like, I don't want to die. And Stabler's like, 1:06:51.240 --> 1:06:54.320 You've got your whole life ahead of you. And now 1:06:54.320 --> 1:06:55.800 that he's going to get treated, he's got his whole 1:06:55.800 --> 1:06:58.919 life ahead of him. And that's dick wolf baby, fucked up, 1:06:59.480 --> 1:07:03.160 fucked up, fucked up, and we're gonna keep on the 1:07:03.200 --> 1:07:04.280 fucked train going. 1:07:04.720 --> 1:07:08.040 I guess let's keep the fucked train going choo choo. 1:07:16.320 --> 1:07:18.320 So we're gonna go through a lot of stuff, a 1:07:18.360 --> 1:07:21.480 few cases, so you know, just get in there and 1:07:21.840 --> 1:07:23.360 get ready to get pissed. 1:07:23.520 --> 1:07:23.840 Okay. 1:07:24.400 --> 1:07:29.160 Also, obviously, federal health officials and AIDS experts, they say 1:07:29.560 --> 1:07:33.680 HIV unquestionably causes AIDS, although it can take more than 1:07:33.680 --> 1:07:37.800 a decade to develop. HIV tests detect antibodies to the 1:07:37.880 --> 1:07:40.800 virus and are accurate predictors of who is infected. 1:07:41.160 --> 1:07:44.480 Just so everybody knows, just so everyone is absolutely clear. 1:07:44.920 --> 1:07:51.000 Yeah, So this case is about Kristen Massori and her 1:07:51.080 --> 1:07:55.240 daughter Eliza James Scovell. So doctor Peter Havens is a 1:07:55.240 --> 1:07:57.920 professor of pediatrics and epediomology. 1:07:58.160 --> 1:07:58.760 I said it wrong. 1:07:58.800 --> 1:08:02.560 I don't care EPIDEMI yeah, considering we just went through COVID, 1:08:02.640 --> 1:08:08.360 it's insane. I can't say that out loud. At the 1:08:08.400 --> 1:08:11.040 Medical College of Wisconsin, and he said to the La 1:08:11.160 --> 1:08:15.880 Times that contrarian HIV theories promoted on about a four 1:08:15.960 --> 1:08:20.280 hundred websites are bogus bolooney. And I only included the 1:08:20.360 --> 1:08:21.719 quote because of bogus bologne. 1:08:21.840 --> 1:08:24.080 I love bogus blogne I want to use it. I 1:08:24.240 --> 1:08:27.000 want that to become boloney. That is our thing. 1:08:27.120 --> 1:08:31.280 Write that down, Casey, so we don't forget. He says 1:08:31.760 --> 1:08:35.080 it's all pseudoscience. They choose one paper and deny the 1:08:35.120 --> 1:08:38.240 existence of one hundred others. And we talked about that 1:08:38.280 --> 1:08:40.920 where it's like all these doctors disagree, like, why are 1:08:40.960 --> 1:08:41.639 you so. 1:08:42.479 --> 1:08:47.479 Gung ho about one article? Yeah, one looney tune. It's weird. 1:08:48.360 --> 1:08:53.080 So Kristin MAJORI did not believe that HIV cause dates. 1:08:53.360 --> 1:08:55.000 She was HIV positive. 1:08:55.520 --> 1:08:58.120 She was a mother of two and very vocal and 1:08:58.160 --> 1:09:01.000 a well known leader of this movement that challenged the 1:09:01.000 --> 1:09:05.639 basic medical understanding and treatment acquired immune a deficiency syndrome. 1:09:05.920 --> 1:09:09.599 It's she obviously did not vaccinate her kids. She does 1:09:09.640 --> 1:09:13.679 not believe in shots. She gave birth at home because 1:09:13.680 --> 1:09:17.920 she wanted to avoid any tests for HIV or any 1:09:17.920 --> 1:09:21.200 of the meds that would be required by California law. So, 1:09:22.320 --> 1:09:25.519 I mean, that's the thing. It's just like purposely avoiding help. 1:09:25.600 --> 1:09:28.479 It's crazy. But she did give birth at home with midwives, 1:09:28.520 --> 1:09:31.559 so no one could track anything. And then in early 1:09:31.640 --> 1:09:34.040 spring two thousand and five, Christine went on a radio 1:09:34.200 --> 1:09:37.200 show talking about how she does not take HIV meds 1:09:37.720 --> 1:09:40.599 even while she was pregnant and has never tested her 1:09:40.640 --> 1:09:43.959 children for the virus. In their interview with Air America, 1:09:44.080 --> 1:09:47.200 she said how her two kids, seven year old Charlie 1:09:47.200 --> 1:09:50.280 and three year old Eliza Jane, were healthy and did 1:09:50.280 --> 1:09:53.960 not have any respiratory issues flus, colds, ear infections, nothing. 1:09:54.520 --> 1:09:57.280 That's what she was saying on this radio interview. Seven 1:09:57.320 --> 1:10:01.200 weeks later, Eliza Jane was dead, so her three year 1:10:01.240 --> 1:10:02.280 old daughter dead. 1:10:03.320 --> 1:10:04.000 End of April. 1:10:04.040 --> 1:10:07.360 Eliza Jane was ill and she developed a mucus like 1:10:07.400 --> 1:10:10.719 a yellow mucus running nose, according to Christine, as told 1:10:10.720 --> 1:10:14.280 to a coroner's investigator. April twentieth, she took her daughter 1:10:14.320 --> 1:10:16.479 to the doctor who found clear lungs, no fever, and 1:10:16.560 --> 1:10:20.360 adequate oxygen levels. Still not feeling good, So five days 1:10:20.439 --> 1:10:23.280 later the mom sought a second opinion and he suspected 1:10:23.280 --> 1:10:27.240 an ear infection but believed it could be resolved without antibiotics. 1:10:27.720 --> 1:10:29.800 And then a follow called. The mom said Eliza was 1:10:29.840 --> 1:10:30.360 doing better. 1:10:31.320 --> 1:10:34.559 Then she reached out to this Denver physician Philip and 1:10:34.680 --> 1:10:39.040 Ko and Ky whatever I m CEO and I want 1:10:39.040 --> 1:10:43.320 to say incanto. So doctor Philip was visiting La for 1:10:43.360 --> 1:10:46.720 a lecture and he was asked by Christine to examine her, 1:10:46.800 --> 1:10:48.720 and he did find liquid in her right ear drum. 1:10:49.439 --> 1:10:50.360 May fourteenth. 1:10:50.640 --> 1:10:54.680 This Philip guy prescribed a moxicillin even though he is 1:10:54.680 --> 1:10:56.800 not licensed to practice medicine in California. 1:10:56.960 --> 1:10:58.800 Honey, go back to Denver. Like what? 1:10:59.840 --> 1:11:03.880 The next day, Eliza Jane vomited several times and became 1:11:04.000 --> 1:11:07.599 pale and then stopped breathing and then quotes the mother 1:11:07.680 --> 1:11:11.919 total Corner's office. According to La Times, her daughter crumpled 1:11:12.160 --> 1:11:15.120 like a paper doll. The next morning, she died at 1:11:15.160 --> 1:11:16.240 a Van Nuy's hospital. 1:11:17.160 --> 1:11:17.960 Now, all three. 1:11:17.840 --> 1:11:20.439 Doctors that Christine reached out to are all known for 1:11:20.479 --> 1:11:21.959 their unconventional approaches. 1:11:22.000 --> 1:11:22.680 To medicine. 1:11:23.080 --> 1:11:27.960 These are guys who are staunch opponents of mandatory vaccinations, vocal. 1:11:28.040 --> 1:11:30.600 One of them's a vocal critic of male circumcision, you 1:11:30.600 --> 1:11:31.759 know that kind of a vibe. 1:11:32.240 --> 1:11:33.080 And that's the thing. 1:11:33.160 --> 1:11:37.360 It's like, she knew she had HIV and she still 1:11:37.520 --> 1:11:39.880 only went to people who didn't believe in it while 1:11:39.920 --> 1:11:40.880 your daughter is sick. 1:11:41.400 --> 1:11:46.280 Yeah, Like I think it's like I do think it's 1:11:46.320 --> 1:11:50.479 like a really really severe form of denial, right. It's 1:11:50.520 --> 1:11:52.320 like if you just deny, deny, deny, it'll go away. 1:11:52.320 --> 1:11:54.280 And if there's one doctor telling you that you're right, 1:11:54.320 --> 1:11:56.599 that your denial will make it go away, you're like, yeah, 1:11:56.600 --> 1:11:57.519 that's the doctor I love. 1:11:57.439 --> 1:11:58.160 And I'm going with him. 1:11:58.360 --> 1:12:01.400 You know, I know in my head it's like, you 1:12:01.400 --> 1:12:02.760 would do anything for your kid. 1:12:02.880 --> 1:12:05.200 Your kid is sick, you would go to doctor. 1:12:05.360 --> 1:12:09.040 You wouldn't only find weird doctors that agreed with you 1:12:09.080 --> 1:12:10.760 would go to a You would just do what you 1:12:10.840 --> 1:12:12.960 needed to do well. But then you'd have to face 1:12:13.000 --> 1:12:15.720 that you probably gave your kids HIV, Like it's your 1:12:15.760 --> 1:12:19.479 fault because you did absolutely nothing. You denied your disease 1:12:19.600 --> 1:12:25.200 because of your own fear and you know, delusion it's 1:12:25.280 --> 1:12:27.160 your fault ultimately, but y. 1:12:27.640 --> 1:12:30.559 On September fifteenth, two thousand and five, a report came 1:12:30.560 --> 1:12:33.439 out by the Los Angeles County Corners that concluded it 1:12:33.520 --> 1:12:37.559 was AIDS related pneumonia. Then the LA Times alerted a 1:12:37.600 --> 1:12:41.160 bunch of medical experts for this article, and they all 1:12:41.200 --> 1:12:45.479 said that any doctor who knew her circumstances should have 1:12:45.560 --> 1:12:48.400 tested those kids. And if the mom refused to refer 1:12:48.600 --> 1:12:51.600 to do that, then you refer the matter to authorities. 1:12:52.640 --> 1:12:56.040 That's just you know, what's the what's the their code 1:12:56.040 --> 1:12:57.080 of ethics. 1:12:56.760 --> 1:12:58.679 The hippocratic oath first do no harm? 1:12:58.920 --> 1:13:04.360 Yes, okay, thank you, Like there's probably a rule about this. So, 1:13:04.439 --> 1:13:07.879 according to interviews and records, two of the doctors knew 1:13:08.200 --> 1:13:11.800 that Christine was the HIV status, and they knew that 1:13:11.840 --> 1:13:16.240 she breastfed her kids and still would not treat or 1:13:16.439 --> 1:13:19.960 get better help. So Michael Shapiro, an ethicist in law 1:13:19.960 --> 1:13:22.960 professor at USC in the LA Times, is quoted saying, 1:13:23.320 --> 1:13:25.519 if you look away from something you're supposed to be 1:13:25.560 --> 1:13:29.479 looking for, that's called willful blindness, and wilful blindness is 1:13:29.479 --> 1:13:31.640 one aspect of determining the negligence. 1:13:33.800 --> 1:13:34.240 One of the. 1:13:34.160 --> 1:13:36.479 Doctors is quoted saying it would have been wrong to 1:13:36.600 --> 1:13:41.280 force Christine to test her daughter because this is a democracy. Okay, 1:13:41.320 --> 1:13:43.240 Well she's dead. I don't know how free she feels 1:13:43.280 --> 1:13:46.640 now after her daughter's deaths. She's quoted in the LA 1:13:46.760 --> 1:13:50.360 Times saying I am devastated, broken, grieving mother, but I 1:13:50.439 --> 1:13:54.560 am not second guessing or questioning my understanding of the issue. 1:13:54.880 --> 1:13:57.840 And again, she breastfed both her kids, and research shows 1:13:57.840 --> 1:14:00.719 that increases the risk of transmission up to fifth fifteen percent. 1:14:01.400 --> 1:14:04.479 A doctor who has never treated Eliza, but is a 1:14:04.520 --> 1:14:07.839 New Jersey physician who's treated hundreds of HIV positive children 1:14:08.240 --> 1:14:11.040 to the LA Times, said I can tell you without 1:14:11.040 --> 1:14:13.479 any doubt that at the outset of her illness, if 1:14:13.520 --> 1:14:17.240 she was appropriately evaluated, she would have been appropriately treated 1:14:17.320 --> 1:14:20.720 and she would not have died. And so then Christine 1:14:20.920 --> 1:14:23.040 actually has a book called what If Everything you thought 1:14:23.080 --> 1:14:24.479 you knew about AIDS was wrong? 1:14:24.800 --> 1:14:26.320 And it's like, why don't you write another book? I 1:14:26.400 --> 1:14:27.080 killed my daughter? 1:14:27.560 --> 1:14:30.640 Yeah, but in the book she said she doesn't know 1:14:30.640 --> 1:14:34.360 how she became HIV positive. She has no idea, and 1:14:34.680 --> 1:14:39.040 she believes that you get it through flu shots and 1:14:39.479 --> 1:14:43.320 viral infections. Oh my god, And I just wonder how 1:14:43.360 --> 1:14:46.840 many people's lives she ruined because she started an organization 1:14:47.000 --> 1:14:50.920 called Alive and Well AIDS Alternatives, which was a nonprofit 1:14:51.000 --> 1:14:52.920 that had a website and a toll free hotline who 1:14:53.000 --> 1:14:57.439 helped HIV positive mothers who shun AIDS medication and want 1:14:57.479 --> 1:14:58.840 to breastfeed their children. 1:14:58.520 --> 1:14:59.760 To do so. 1:15:00.160 --> 1:15:04.839 God she suggests, Oh, don't tell anybody but trusted family, 1:15:04.880 --> 1:15:08.479 and only talk to doctors who will mirror your beliefs. 1:15:09.360 --> 1:15:10.559 That's like advice. 1:15:11.439 --> 1:15:14.120 Yeah, But like, if you don't believe you can give 1:15:14.160 --> 1:15:16.799 your kids the disease, then why fight. It's so hard 1:15:16.920 --> 1:15:19.080 to avoid the testing and we've obviously talked to This 1:15:19.160 --> 1:15:22.759 is like munchausen bi This is an issue. This is mental. 1:15:22.960 --> 1:15:27.439 This is mental because if you don't believe that can 1:15:27.479 --> 1:15:32.599 be transmitted, test your kid. Yeah, prove everyone wrong. Also, 1:15:32.760 --> 1:15:36.120 why gung ho to breastfeed? Like, I just don't get it. 1:15:37.680 --> 1:15:41.360 So overall, like there's few victories and AIDS is what 1:15:41.479 --> 1:15:45.200 I read, Like very few. You know, we're still struggling 1:15:45.240 --> 1:15:48.080 to find cures and all of that. But like bringing 1:15:48.120 --> 1:15:51.080 down the rate of infections and deaths among young children 1:15:51.280 --> 1:15:55.160 is one of the giant victories. So it seems weird 1:15:55.240 --> 1:15:57.800 not to use these things. So Margaret Lampi, a health 1:15:57.920 --> 1:16:01.040 education specialist with the Division of h IV AIDS Prevention 1:16:01.680 --> 1:16:06.120 at the US Centers of Disease Control and Prevention, that's her. 1:16:07.160 --> 1:16:09.240 So she said, in nineteen ninety two, there were nine 1:16:09.320 --> 1:16:11.160 hundred and fifty two cases of kids with AIDS, and 1:16:11.160 --> 1:16:13.120 in two thousand and three there was only fifty nine. 1:16:13.040 --> 1:16:16.639 Children under thirteen nationally that had AIDS. 1:16:16.680 --> 1:16:20.400 But according to the CDC, we can't count these rogue parents, 1:16:20.680 --> 1:16:23.519 right right, So and then I checked on the National 1:16:23.560 --> 1:16:26.360 Institute of Health website and in twenty twenty one, only 1:16:26.400 --> 1:16:27.680 fifty three cases. 1:16:27.320 --> 1:16:30.400 Were reported of children under thirteen. 1:16:30.160 --> 1:16:33.200 Eight, So that's pretty h So all you have to 1:16:33.200 --> 1:16:35.680 do is take this AZT drug while pregnant and it 1:16:35.720 --> 1:16:38.639 lowers your chances of transferring to your baby to less 1:16:38.680 --> 1:16:46.000 than two percent. Like yeah, But once authorities settled on 1:16:46.040 --> 1:16:48.479 the cause of Eliza James's death, a focus then had 1:16:48.560 --> 1:16:52.320 to be turned onto the parents and their remaining child, Charlie. 1:16:52.960 --> 1:16:55.960 Charlie had tested negative for HIV three times, like, he 1:16:56.040 --> 1:16:59.200 kept not having HIV, so that so he was able 1:16:59.240 --> 1:17:02.280 to stay with his pays Durrance. But it's all just 1:17:02.360 --> 1:17:04.519 tough because the law is not clear when a child 1:17:04.720 --> 1:17:08.600 dies because they did not receive adequate medical treatment. I 1:17:08.600 --> 1:17:11.720 guess it's really difficult to prove all this, and there's 1:17:11.760 --> 1:17:16.000 few precedents, and there's just like parents and doctors get 1:17:16.000 --> 1:17:17.960 a wide discretion by the courts. 1:17:18.320 --> 1:17:20.120 This is what I read. 1:17:20.720 --> 1:17:25.120 So the LA Police did investigate whether Majori and Scoville 1:17:25.160 --> 1:17:28.960 were negligent in not testing the girl for HIV, but 1:17:29.040 --> 1:17:31.799 in two thousand and six, the La County DA's office 1:17:31.840 --> 1:17:35.160 decided not to file criminal charges, saying that it would 1:17:35.200 --> 1:17:38.320 have been difficult to prove criminal negligence because Majory had 1:17:38.400 --> 1:17:42.719 sought medical advice and it is clear in this case 1:17:42.760 --> 1:17:45.679 that the child welfare authorities had not been told about 1:17:45.760 --> 1:17:49.400 Majori's HIV positive status, and so like that her son 1:17:49.479 --> 1:17:51.439 was at risk and all of this like there's nothing 1:17:51.439 --> 1:17:55.840 in the agency records. But the investigator, Rebecca McCauley from DCFS, 1:17:56.400 --> 1:17:58.799 visited the home and in her paperwork wrote in February 1:17:58.840 --> 1:18:02.840 two thousand parents appear appropriate, extremely focused in the child 1:18:03.000 --> 1:18:06.760 well being in every aspect, and she relied on her 1:18:06.760 --> 1:18:11.280 own observations and assurances from one of the quacks. So 1:18:11.479 --> 1:18:15.080 like she didn't go talk to any other medical professionals 1:18:15.160 --> 1:18:17.160 or get any tests because she was talking to one 1:18:17.200 --> 1:18:21.040 of the family doctors who's a quack. Yeah, and taking 1:18:21.120 --> 1:18:27.360 his you know, guidance and neglect. According to DCFS, is 1:18:27.400 --> 1:18:31.040 like messy house parents don't care, and that's not all 1:18:31.160 --> 1:18:33.759 encompassing into what it is to be a good parent. 1:18:34.200 --> 1:18:39.160 So their definition of good parent isn't it's like. 1:18:39.640 --> 1:18:42.800 It's very all of her taft, you know, throw back 1:18:42.840 --> 1:18:45.960 to the Tom Scarett episode of SVU, where it's like, 1:18:46.600 --> 1:18:49.679 you can have a messy home and be a good parent, 1:18:49.840 --> 1:18:51.360 and you can have a clean home and be an 1:18:51.360 --> 1:18:56.640 awful parent. So like their definitions are based in biases 1:18:56.880 --> 1:18:58.360 of like class and stuff. 1:18:58.760 --> 1:18:59.720 Yeah, and you. 1:18:59.680 --> 1:19:02.599 Can tell while she's the worst, like she said she 1:19:02.680 --> 1:19:05.519 was sad after her child died, and then her health 1:19:05.560 --> 1:19:08.680 began to decline, and then she's quoted saying but with 1:19:08.760 --> 1:19:11.639 some herbs, walks and yoga, I feel a lot better. 1:19:12.479 --> 1:19:13.479 Like that shouldn't help. 1:19:13.360 --> 1:19:16.120 You feel better for yeah, killing your kid, but okay, 1:19:16.640 --> 1:19:19.720 And just weeks after her death, the parents made a 1:19:19.720 --> 1:19:23.120 website and in it they wrote, Eliza Jane had simply 1:19:23.200 --> 1:19:28.559 chosen to go home. Why our child, so appreciated, so held, 1:19:28.800 --> 1:19:33.600 so carefully nurtured, and not one ignored, abused or abandoned. 1:19:34.000 --> 1:19:36.519 How come what we offered was not enough to keep 1:19:36.560 --> 1:19:41.200 her here? When children with far less impatient, distracted parents, 1:19:41.280 --> 1:19:45.599 a small apartment on a busy street, extended daycare, oster 1:19:45.760 --> 1:19:48.280 Meyer lunchables will happily stay. 1:19:49.720 --> 1:19:51.240 Kunt Oh my god. 1:19:52.840 --> 1:19:55.000 So you think that someone that gives their kid a 1:19:55.080 --> 1:19:57.679 lunchable deserves their child to die more than you because 1:19:57.720 --> 1:20:02.840 they live in an apartment. Yeah, like she's a terrible person. Yeah, yeah, 1:20:03.000 --> 1:20:08.559 bad person. It's like whatever. 1:20:08.680 --> 1:20:09.120 She died. 1:20:09.920 --> 1:20:12.080 So she died in two thousand and eight at fifty 1:20:12.120 --> 1:20:17.280 two years old of pneumonia. I good and until her death, 1:20:17.360 --> 1:20:21.120 she was defianed until the end, and she no autopsy 1:20:21.200 --> 1:20:21.880 was done for her. 1:20:22.320 --> 1:20:23.320 And then after she. 1:20:23.479 --> 1:20:27.880 Died, the husband Scolville, there was a lawsuit and they 1:20:27.880 --> 1:20:31.000 did settle a lawsuit with the La County Coroner's office 1:20:31.000 --> 1:20:35.040 because they found a toxicologist who served on an advisory 1:20:35.080 --> 1:20:38.840 group of their organizational Live and Well Aids alternatives to 1:20:38.920 --> 1:20:42.120 say that she died from an allergic reaction to the antibiotic, 1:20:43.040 --> 1:20:46.559 but the terms of the lawsuit were not disclosed. 1:20:46.600 --> 1:20:48.639 In any court documents, and so these. 1:20:48.479 --> 1:20:50.840 Fucking grifters got to get away with money from the 1:20:50.880 --> 1:20:53.959 county after all, Oh my god, because. 1:20:53.720 --> 1:20:58.160 They found another toxicologist. Now this case is crazy, this 1:20:58.280 --> 1:21:02.440 next one. And I apologize. I feel like my information 1:21:02.640 --> 1:21:06.240 is kind of scattered because this is all like this 1:21:06.320 --> 1:21:08.160 is in China state run media. 1:21:08.200 --> 1:21:11.280 It's translating. I'm like trying to read all these. 1:21:11.040 --> 1:21:13.519 Things, and I don't know, but it's it just seemed 1:21:14.360 --> 1:21:18.439 in It seemed like something our listeners would like. Okay, 1:21:18.880 --> 1:21:22.240 So this is the case of Who Wanlin. And this 1:21:22.320 --> 1:21:26.240 guy is like China's doctor death. He's a self described 1:21:26.280 --> 1:21:28.680 healer who is linked to more than one hundred and 1:21:28.760 --> 1:21:33.160 forty deaths in the nineteen nineties. In two thousand, he 1:21:33.200 --> 1:21:36.280 was in prison for illegally practicing medicine for fifteen years. 1:21:36.600 --> 1:21:41.240 He claimed to possess mysterious forces and that's how he. 1:21:41.240 --> 1:21:42.200 Treated his patient. 1:21:42.439 --> 1:21:46.639 So the traditional practice is called quigong or qui. For sure, 1:21:47.439 --> 1:21:50.320 I'm probably saying it wrong, but it had revivals in 1:21:50.400 --> 1:21:53.519 China after the death of Mao Zedong, and there's just 1:21:53.560 --> 1:21:56.280 like an influx of cults and weird beliefs in this 1:21:56.400 --> 1:22:00.120 kind of traditional practice came back and this doctor who 1:22:00.360 --> 1:22:04.600 believes water causes disease and patients needed to be dehydrated 1:22:04.600 --> 1:22:07.880 with magic medicine using powerful salts from and this is 1:22:07.880 --> 1:22:10.120 from the Global Times and then Britten in the Guardian. 1:22:10.200 --> 1:22:12.160 That's what I mean. There's just a lot of yeah, 1:22:12.479 --> 1:22:13.280 moving pieces. 1:22:14.000 --> 1:22:16.639 Thousands of people flocked to him to receive this miracle 1:22:16.720 --> 1:22:21.599 water remedy that had high levels of sodium sulfate. And 1:22:21.680 --> 1:22:24.680 so this guy is like a Catholic priest though, so 1:22:24.760 --> 1:22:28.120 anytime his operations were closed down, he was moved. So 1:22:28.160 --> 1:22:32.240 he was in shank Shandhi Province and then he went 1:22:32.280 --> 1:22:35.320 and got a license to practice in Henan Province. So like, 1:22:35.760 --> 1:22:38.960 he just kept moving around after killing people. And even 1:22:39.000 --> 1:22:41.799 though linked to the desks, they have never been proven. 1:22:42.600 --> 1:22:48.880 And this fucker's only completed primary school. He actually started 1:22:48.880 --> 1:22:52.120 studying traditional healing while he was serving a prison term 1:22:52.560 --> 1:22:58.560 for manslaughter in the nineteen eighties. He killed a businessman 1:22:58.800 --> 1:23:00.880 and he was supposed to serve alize sentence, but like, 1:23:00.920 --> 1:23:03.679 they just kept letting him out and he couldn't stop 1:23:03.760 --> 1:23:07.360 killing people. So in nineteen ninety six he was jailed again, 1:23:07.479 --> 1:23:09.840 then freed again in two thousand and then jailed again, 1:23:10.080 --> 1:23:14.160 and like, I don't understand. And it also says that 1:23:14.200 --> 1:23:17.880 he was jailed in nineteen seventy four for anti revolution activities. 1:23:18.880 --> 1:23:22.320 There's a man stayed in jailed and so the only 1:23:22.320 --> 1:23:25.480 Wikipedia article I found on this man was Wikipedia Italia 1:23:26.200 --> 1:23:30.040 and I got had it translated. So it says that 1:23:30.080 --> 1:23:34.240 from childhood to adulthood there's no information on him. So, 1:23:34.400 --> 1:23:37.320 and he's been arrested for fraud and kidnapping and human 1:23:37.360 --> 1:23:40.440 trafficking on top of the intentional homicide. 1:23:41.280 --> 1:23:43.760 I'm so confused. If anyone listens. 1:23:43.400 --> 1:23:46.639 From China, please help us. It also says in nineteen 1:23:46.680 --> 1:23:50.040 ninety three, while in prison, he opened a medical practice 1:23:50.080 --> 1:23:55.719 where he worked and did stuff whatever. So then's he's 1:23:55.760 --> 1:24:00.400 released early in twenty eleven after a term reduction and 1:24:00.439 --> 1:24:02.160 he was back to it two years later he was 1:24:02.240 --> 1:24:04.679 arrested for killing a twenty two year old college graduate 1:24:04.720 --> 1:24:08.320 with poison soup. So in late August twenty thirteen, who 1:24:08.400 --> 1:24:10.800 and his followers took a group of twelve in quotes 1:24:10.880 --> 1:24:15.200 patients to a hotel in jinyan Kon County on a 1:24:15.520 --> 1:24:18.840 I don't think that's it though, whatever another county on 1:24:18.920 --> 1:24:23.920 this health program and this college student Yun Huyang Jun Huyog, 1:24:24.320 --> 1:24:27.040 one of his patients, the college student and devotee of 1:24:27.080 --> 1:24:30.320 traditional medicine, died after taking a substance provided by WHO. 1:24:30.840 --> 1:24:32.799 The victim was found with a high level of toxic 1:24:32.880 --> 1:24:37.559 sodium sulfate in a system. It is like a globber's salt, 1:24:37.680 --> 1:24:41.639 which is a colorless hydrated sodium sulfate used in paper 1:24:41.720 --> 1:24:43.080 and glass manufacturing. 1:24:43.200 --> 1:24:48.760 And it's a cathartic and diuretic. Wow. Yeah, And he. 1:24:48.800 --> 1:24:52.000 Was taken into custody and heenan province after police suspected 1:24:52.560 --> 1:24:56.440 you know, this was another herbal broth poisoning from this motherfucker. 1:24:57.000 --> 1:25:02.559 And then another patient, Nongmnguang, became unconscious after taking Who's concoction, 1:25:02.680 --> 1:25:06.080 but was saved by doctors at an actual hospital. The 1:25:06.120 --> 1:25:09.200 delay in apprehending him suggests that maybe he had friends 1:25:09.240 --> 1:25:12.240 in high places who believed in his powers or gained 1:25:12.280 --> 1:25:15.840 financial advantage from his operations, because for him not to 1:25:15.880 --> 1:25:18.880 be sentenced to death is strange since capital executions were 1:25:19.000 --> 1:25:22.799 very frequent and like one of his other victims included 1:25:23.439 --> 1:25:26.719 Lou Famine, the mayor of the small town in Henan, 1:25:27.160 --> 1:25:30.720 oh my god. And so then in twenty fourteen it 1:25:30.760 --> 1:25:34.400 said he got fifteen more years in prison, and he 1:25:34.479 --> 1:25:37.759 had two other partners in this operation who got eleven 1:25:37.800 --> 1:25:38.720 and three years. 1:25:38.760 --> 1:25:41.439 But that's like he's out in five We got to 1:25:41.479 --> 1:25:43.559 watch out. This guy's going to get out in five years. 1:25:43.720 --> 1:25:45.400 So what I found was he was in jail in 1:25:45.479 --> 1:25:47.880 nineteen seventy four, then again in nineteen eighty for murder, 1:25:47.960 --> 1:25:50.439 then again in nineteen eighty six, then again in two thousand, 1:25:50.800 --> 1:25:52.080 then again in twenty thirteen. 1:25:52.320 --> 1:25:57.439 Like what crazy? So it's just amount of quack. I 1:25:57.439 --> 1:25:57.800 don't know. 1:25:58.240 --> 1:26:02.280 Okay, this case does not connect at all. But this 1:26:02.360 --> 1:26:06.080 woman's mugshots were so scary and haunting. I legit didn't 1:26:06.080 --> 1:26:07.559 want to look at her pictures, Like I had to 1:26:07.560 --> 1:26:10.800 scroll fast away, like I you. 1:26:10.760 --> 1:26:11.519 Know, I'm googling. 1:26:11.760 --> 1:26:14.920 Yeah, she is so scary, and I feel like I 1:26:14.920 --> 1:26:16.839 have to touch on it because we're all freaks. 1:26:17.000 --> 1:26:18.880 Okay, look at her. How do you feel do you 1:26:18.880 --> 1:26:24.639 feel like she might this old timey lady? Yeah? Oh yeah, 1:26:24.680 --> 1:26:27.719 she's haunted. Yeah, yeah, scary. 1:26:29.400 --> 1:26:33.479 So legit, I was like I couldn't even look at 1:26:33.479 --> 1:26:35.200 the picture. But I got most of this in the 1:26:35.200 --> 1:26:38.400 Smithsonian magazine, and it said that she And then while 1:26:38.400 --> 1:26:40.320 I was reading it, it said that she was into 1:26:40.360 --> 1:26:42.680 the occult and had strange abilities, and perhaps she was 1:26:42.760 --> 1:26:45.920 hypnotizing people into starving themselves to death. So there was 1:26:45.960 --> 1:26:47.519 a reason I didn't want to look at her eyes 1:26:47.560 --> 1:26:48.160 in that photo. 1:26:48.400 --> 1:26:49.160 Oh my god. 1:26:49.280 --> 1:26:51.479 And then I fucking read she's in the occult, like 1:26:51.640 --> 1:26:56.120 this bitch's powers through death. So her name is Linda Hazard, 1:26:56.680 --> 1:26:58.800 and she was a quote unquote doctor who starved her 1:26:58.840 --> 1:27:02.240 patients to death. So she killed as many as a 1:27:02.240 --> 1:27:04.160 dozen people. I don't know why I laughed. So she 1:27:04.280 --> 1:27:06.320 killed as many as a dozen people in the early 1:27:06.360 --> 1:27:09.280 twentieth century, and they paid for it willingly. 1:27:09.800 --> 1:27:10.479 And this happened. 1:27:10.720 --> 1:27:14.840 O La la Ola, let's say it Olalla Washington. I 1:27:14.840 --> 1:27:17.400 feel like you'll know. It's one of these islands next 1:27:17.400 --> 1:27:18.040 to Seattle. 1:27:18.720 --> 1:27:21.120 Okay, wait, where is it? I'm looking. Oh, I think 1:27:21.120 --> 1:27:22.240 it's also a brand. 1:27:22.400 --> 1:27:24.719 I think, yeah, I think it's also like a brand 1:27:24.760 --> 1:27:27.320 of granola bar Botta Wala. 1:27:27.640 --> 1:27:29.520 Oh yeah. 1:27:29.600 --> 1:27:32.280 So it's like a little town fairy ride across from Seattle. 1:27:32.320 --> 1:27:35.040 And she had very little formal training, no medical degree, 1:27:35.360 --> 1:27:38.040 but she was licensed by the state of Washington as 1:27:38.080 --> 1:27:42.400 a fasting specialist. And I guess for feminism, that's cool 1:27:43.600 --> 1:27:45.720 as a woman to get certification. 1:27:46.120 --> 1:27:48.680 Okay, let's give her her flowers. 1:27:49.720 --> 1:27:52.840 But Black Ceiling did think that the root of all 1:27:52.880 --> 1:27:56.280 evil lay in food, specifically too much of it. And 1:27:56.320 --> 1:27:58.640 she wrote a book she's self published, and once a 1:27:58.680 --> 1:28:02.439 book self published, I can't trust it in nineteen oh eight, 1:28:02.680 --> 1:28:06.120 and she says that fasting for the cure of disease, 1:28:06.240 --> 1:28:08.960 like fasting is the only thing. And she would feed 1:28:08.960 --> 1:28:12.400 her victims only vegetable broth made from canned tomatoes twice 1:28:12.400 --> 1:28:14.720 a day and no more. And then she would give 1:28:14.760 --> 1:28:19.679 them hours long enemas in a bathtub, and that hardcore 1:28:19.760 --> 1:28:21.680 massages that felt more like beatings. 1:28:22.080 --> 1:28:24.400 Oh my god, oh like yeah. 1:28:24.520 --> 1:28:27.200 And then she had these she got these two clients 1:28:27.200 --> 1:28:31.000 that were Uppercross sisters, and they came and the doctor 1:28:31.080 --> 1:28:34.439 had been appointed the executor of one of their estates, 1:28:35.000 --> 1:28:37.639 and then, like the sisters, basically signed away their power 1:28:37.680 --> 1:28:41.080 of attorney. And this woman became guardian of life for 1:28:41.160 --> 1:28:45.120 these women. And then you find out all of her 1:28:45.120 --> 1:28:48.920 little victims were rich people that she starved to death, 1:28:49.200 --> 1:28:53.120 while while in their starving state, slowly took away their 1:28:53.200 --> 1:28:54.000 estates and money. 1:28:54.600 --> 1:28:55.840 Oh my god. 1:28:56.320 --> 1:28:59.280 So with these sisters, like she found like she was 1:28:59.280 --> 1:29:03.040 found with jewels, she took thousands of dollars, clothing, like 1:29:03.600 --> 1:29:06.280 all of this stuff, wile starving and enemying them to death. 1:29:06.920 --> 1:29:09.800 And then family members of the sisters started digging and 1:29:09.840 --> 1:29:12.320 they found out this Hazard lady was connected to the 1:29:12.360 --> 1:29:17.759 deaths of several other wealthy individuals. And yeah, rich people 1:29:17.800 --> 1:29:21.479 get tricked. This is this is like the botox of 1:29:21.520 --> 1:29:25.479 its time. Really, you know, like I'm going to starve 1:29:25.840 --> 1:29:29.280 and do cool shit. And yeah, so many of these 1:29:29.280 --> 1:29:32.320 people signed over large portions of their estates over before 1:29:32.360 --> 1:29:36.639 their deaths. And finally, on August fifteenth, nineteen eleven, Kitsap 1:29:36.640 --> 1:29:39.880 County authorities arrested Linda Hazzard and charges the first degree 1:29:39.960 --> 1:29:44.040 murder for starving Claire Williamson to death. She took no 1:29:44.120 --> 1:29:47.400 responsibility obviously, and believed that if you died during a fast, 1:29:47.439 --> 1:29:49.599 you had something that was going to kill you soon anyway. 1:29:50.400 --> 1:29:52.200 Hazard believe that's like the people. 1:29:52.200 --> 1:29:54.479 I mean, we haven't really grown as a culture, because 1:29:54.479 --> 1:29:57.240 that's what people with COVID were like, Oh, well, you 1:29:57.280 --> 1:29:59.680 were unhealthy anyways, you would have died you know that 1:29:59.880 --> 1:30:02.479 was Yeah, definitely the vibe of like, well, then don't 1:30:02.520 --> 1:30:04.439 be obese or have diabetes or something. 1:30:04.960 --> 1:30:07.200 I actually walked by the pool in my neighborhood and 1:30:07.240 --> 1:30:09.439 there's a bench for my parents' friends that were the 1:30:09.439 --> 1:30:14.640 first and like they like died immediately on COVID, like 1:30:14.720 --> 1:30:17.519 hours apart from each other. We visited the bench. Okay, 1:30:17.600 --> 1:30:20.920 so Hazard believed the time was an attack on her. Okay, 1:30:20.960 --> 1:30:23.880 so while she was getting arrested, she believed that this 1:30:24.000 --> 1:30:26.599 was an attack on her position as a successful woman 1:30:26.680 --> 1:30:29.960 and a battle between conventional medicine and more a more 1:30:30.000 --> 1:30:33.360 natural approach. The verdict ended up being manslaughter and she 1:30:33.479 --> 1:30:38.519 was sentenced to hard labor at the penitentiary. Penitent I'm 1:30:38.520 --> 1:30:40.880 not you say it penitentiary. 1:30:41.240 --> 1:30:42.880 Yeah, I know that one's a hard one for me 1:30:42.960 --> 1:30:47.000 and wha Laeah Washington. But then, for reasons unknown, the 1:30:47.080 --> 1:30:52.000 governor pardoned her. Oh she's a witch. I'm like scared 1:30:52.040 --> 1:30:53.519 she's gonna hat me for just looking on a phone. 1:30:53.760 --> 1:30:56.559 She they should do this on Wicked Words or like whatever. 1:30:56.600 --> 1:30:59.320 The podcast isn't exactly right where they do old timey crime. 1:30:59.360 --> 1:31:03.719 Maybe they already have who knows, she's served two years, 1:31:03.760 --> 1:31:06.240 and then she moved to New Zealand. And then in 1:31:06.320 --> 1:31:09.560 nineteen twenty she returned to Olala and built a sanitarium 1:31:09.640 --> 1:31:12.080 of her dreams and called it the School for Health, 1:31:12.640 --> 1:31:15.559 which eventually burned down in nineteen thirty five. And if 1:31:15.560 --> 1:31:18.559 you want to know more, there's a book called Starvation Heights, 1:31:18.600 --> 1:31:20.960 a true story of Murder and Malice in the Woods 1:31:20.960 --> 1:31:24.720 of the Pacific Northwest, and it's by Greg Olsen. Two 1:31:24.800 --> 1:31:30.760 g'sdam Now this last case is actually it's going to 1:31:30.800 --> 1:31:33.040 go full circle to the first case. And that's how 1:31:33.080 --> 1:31:35.559 I thought I would end it. So this is about 1:31:35.560 --> 1:31:38.639 Paul M. Flice. And he is one of the three 1:31:38.680 --> 1:31:41.960 doctors that Christine MAJORI reached out to about Eliza Jame. 1:31:42.640 --> 1:31:45.439 Oh my gosh, people with the last named Flice cannot 1:31:45.479 --> 1:31:46.160 catch a break. 1:31:47.320 --> 1:31:51.640 So he was unconventional, duh. And he's a pediatrician in 1:31:51.640 --> 1:31:56.559 Los Phelis. And sorry, that's just buy it. Yeah, that's 1:31:56.640 --> 1:31:59.200 like ten minutes for me. I like looked at Kara 1:31:59.240 --> 1:32:00.400 like she hired him. 1:32:00.439 --> 1:32:01.880 I'm like, my kids go there? 1:32:02.120 --> 1:32:06.760 Yeah, who to the La Times is quoted talking about 1:32:06.760 --> 1:32:10.000 Eliza Jane's death and he wrote, I don't understand it 1:32:10.000 --> 1:32:12.679 because I've never seen her sick or with anything resembling 1:32:12.760 --> 1:32:15.439 what she supposedly died of. I don't believe I could 1:32:15.479 --> 1:32:18.519 have done anything to change this outcome. He is the 1:32:18.560 --> 1:32:21.519 reason that DCFS found no evidence of neglect. 1:32:22.320 --> 1:32:24.280 Like it was him that was. 1:32:24.280 --> 1:32:28.320 Reassuring the reports. He is quoted in the official reports. 1:32:28.720 --> 1:32:31.400 Yeah, like he signed the death certificate, probably the way 1:32:31.439 --> 1:32:33.320 that this guy did in the episode. 1:32:32.960 --> 1:32:33.559 Oh my God. 1:32:33.840 --> 1:32:36.479 He knew that the mom had HIV and that she 1:32:36.600 --> 1:32:38.880 rested her kids everything. And he is the one that 1:32:38.960 --> 1:32:43.480 earlier quoted about the democracy. And he's a trained pharmacist 1:32:43.479 --> 1:32:46.200 in osteopath. But then the law was passed in the 1:32:46.240 --> 1:32:49.880 early nineteen sixties in California that allowed osteopaths to convert 1:32:49.920 --> 1:32:51.840 to an MD degree. And I know there's a lot 1:32:51.880 --> 1:32:55.519 of controversy with dos and mds and I don't really know. 1:32:55.680 --> 1:32:57.280 I'm not getting involved now. 1:32:57.280 --> 1:33:00.000 If you're thinking, wow, Flice, you know, Kara, you meant 1:33:00.280 --> 1:33:01.880 something familiar, right. 1:33:02.160 --> 1:33:04.479 He is the father of the Hollywood Madam Heidi Fly 1:33:04.800 --> 1:33:07.200 shut the fuck up. I was totally like. 1:33:07.200 --> 1:33:09.280 Oh wow, weird to many bad people with the last 1:33:09.360 --> 1:33:12.360 name Flights. Not that she's bad for being a madam, 1:33:12.400 --> 1:33:15.280 I feel like she was a shady lady. 1:33:15.520 --> 1:33:18.120 Oh yeah, so how crazy is I did bury the 1:33:18.200 --> 1:33:20.559 lead a little bit, but oh that is his daughter. 1:33:21.439 --> 1:33:24.040 And in May of nineteen ninety five, he pled guilty 1:33:24.080 --> 1:33:27.040 to helping his daughter launder hundreds of thousands of dollars 1:33:27.080 --> 1:33:31.960 to hide the income from her prostitution ring. Oh my gosh, 1:33:32.040 --> 1:33:35.400 yeah the agreement At the time, this guy was sixty 1:33:35.439 --> 1:33:37.960 one years old. He pled guilty to federal conspiracy and 1:33:38.000 --> 1:33:41.680 bank fraud charges, and for over three years, doctor Fly 1:33:41.800 --> 1:33:45.040 slied on loan applications and falsely claimed his daughter was 1:33:45.080 --> 1:33:48.439 an employee at his medical practice. How you do one 1:33:48.479 --> 1:33:52.280 thing is how you do everything, Rema trigger everybody base. 1:33:54.080 --> 1:33:56.559 He basically signed the mortgage on a luxury home that 1:33:56.640 --> 1:33:59.320 was used as his daughter's headquarters for her call girl ring. 1:34:00.080 --> 1:34:03.040 Outside the courtroom, he is quoted by the La Times saying, 1:34:03.080 --> 1:34:05.479 I never intended to cheat or lie or steal. I 1:34:05.520 --> 1:34:06.800 only wanted to help my daughter. 1:34:07.560 --> 1:34:09.200 Help her rent an apartment. 1:34:08.760 --> 1:34:10.960 Don't buy her a mansion to run a full ring, 1:34:11.760 --> 1:34:12.639 crazy quack. 1:34:13.840 --> 1:34:17.200 So the max that he was looking at was ten 1:34:17.240 --> 1:34:19.839 months in prison, a halfway house or a home detention, 1:34:20.000 --> 1:34:22.840 A possible fine, but what he did get was one 1:34:22.880 --> 1:34:27.080 day in prison, three years probation, six hundred and twenty 1:34:27.120 --> 1:34:30.160 five hours of community service, and a fifty thousand dollars fine. 1:34:30.680 --> 1:34:33.920 He died at the age of eighty and July twenty fourteen, 1:34:34.439 --> 1:34:37.200 and he worked right up until his death. He made 1:34:37.400 --> 1:34:41.679 house calls, devoted patients. I think Madonna's kid went to him. 1:34:42.120 --> 1:34:45.439 And nowhere in his death announcement anywhere was it like, oh, 1:34:45.439 --> 1:34:47.519 this is a quack, this is a maniac, this is 1:34:47.600 --> 1:34:49.599 like an anti AIDS guy. 1:34:49.760 --> 1:34:51.599 Oh my god. Nothing. 1:34:51.680 --> 1:34:54.960 He worked in LA for decades up until his recent 1:34:55.040 --> 1:34:55.960 death in twenty fourteen. 1:34:57.160 --> 1:35:05.040 Holy shit. Yeah, that's fucking crazy. I'm blown away. Yeah. 1:35:05.360 --> 1:35:05.760 Oh yes. 1:35:05.920 --> 1:35:08.639 Buried Bones is the podcast I meant to say. Buried 1:35:08.640 --> 1:35:11.000 Bones is the podcast on this network that where they 1:35:11.080 --> 1:35:15.400 do talk about older, older crimes. Damn, Lisa, thank you 1:35:15.439 --> 1:35:18.280 for doing all that research on four different crimes. 1:35:18.360 --> 1:35:21.439 Essentially appreciate it, but all of them are just like 1:35:22.040 --> 1:35:23.360 is this real? Is this not? 1:35:23.560 --> 1:35:26.479 And are these mystics gonna come haunt me? Like I 1:35:26.520 --> 1:35:29.719 am scared of who? And I am scared of miss Hazard, 1:35:29.920 --> 1:35:33.080 Like I do not like looking at their faces. 1:35:33.320 --> 1:35:35.200 She looks like a lady that's like not gonna let 1:35:35.240 --> 1:35:36.000 you eat for sure. 1:35:36.120 --> 1:35:39.240 Oh my god, it's scary, scary, Oh my god. 1:35:40.080 --> 1:35:44.720 Also, there was a ample Hills Creamery opened in the 1:35:44.840 --> 1:35:47.760 old office of Paul Flice in Los Feelies. So if 1:35:47.760 --> 1:35:49.840 you ever were in Los Feels, an away the ample 1:35:49.920 --> 1:35:52.360 Hills Creamery that used to be his office. 1:35:52.560 --> 1:35:55.320 But now it's a Mexican restaurant, right it is. I 1:35:55.360 --> 1:35:57.439 don't know what it is now. I just ate there. 1:35:58.320 --> 1:36:01.680 No, I just eight at his Oh my god, it's 1:36:01.720 --> 1:36:05.719 like a beautiful, like craftsman house type of thing. Yeah, 1:36:05.760 --> 1:36:08.160 it's now called Tacos to Madre And I just went 1:36:08.200 --> 1:36:09.800 there like three months ago. 1:36:10.840 --> 1:36:14.960 Wow, I've eaten at the doctor's old how And. 1:36:14.960 --> 1:36:17.639 Not to like connect it, but like, okay, Eliza Jane's 1:36:17.720 --> 1:36:21.080 mom she made an annual salary of like fifteen million dollars. 1:36:21.120 --> 1:36:23.599 She was really hot, like she had a fashion line 1:36:23.640 --> 1:36:27.400 or worked in fashion or whatever. The Hazard Lady preyed 1:36:27.439 --> 1:36:31.120 upon the rich. This guy in La seeing rich clients, 1:36:31.200 --> 1:36:35.719 like there is something about oh I did chasing holistic shit, 1:36:36.320 --> 1:36:39.360 like chasing wild stuff that other people can't afford. 1:36:39.720 --> 1:36:42.040 And I don't know what doctor. 1:36:41.760 --> 1:36:45.439 Who's being like and being like regular medicine doesn't apply 1:36:45.520 --> 1:36:50.000 to me, like regular rule, Like I'm above other people. Yeah, 1:36:50.040 --> 1:36:52.920 Like that's an interesting detail about her because that's not 1:36:52.960 --> 1:36:53.840 what I was imagining. 1:36:53.880 --> 1:36:54.920 That she was very loaded. 1:36:55.320 --> 1:36:59.200 Yeah, she was very loaded. She was a rich woman. Yeah, 1:36:59.200 --> 1:37:01.160 they were all well like all. 1:37:01.040 --> 1:37:01.760 Of these. 1:37:03.400 --> 1:37:06.080 I just think that, like, especially right now, there's such 1:37:06.160 --> 1:37:09.320 an emphasis on wellness, like we're such a wellness culture. 1:37:09.840 --> 1:37:11.960 But it's yeah, it's all a bunch of quacks. And 1:37:12.000 --> 1:37:14.360 like I used to really love this one fitness influencer, 1:37:14.880 --> 1:37:17.280 and now when I see clips of her podcasts, it's 1:37:17.320 --> 1:37:19.280 like every week it's this is toxic. 1:37:19.360 --> 1:37:21.640 That's toxic. The plastic you can't do And I'm like, 1:37:21.680 --> 1:37:22.680 what can you do? 1:37:23.040 --> 1:37:28.400 Yeah, like at a certain point, you are limiting your life, 1:37:28.479 --> 1:37:30.599 Like I don't know, it's wild. 1:37:31.240 --> 1:37:34.800 Yeah really, And it's sad. I'm sad for these kids. 1:37:34.840 --> 1:37:35.840 I'm sad for these kids. 1:37:35.880 --> 1:37:37.680 I mean, we always deal with kids and abuse and 1:37:37.720 --> 1:37:41.120 it's just fucking sad. We need to fight for more 1:37:41.160 --> 1:37:42.480 kids an autonomy. 1:37:42.680 --> 1:37:45.519 Well, yeah, there needs to be checks and balances. Just 1:37:45.520 --> 1:37:47.680 because you have a child doesn't mean you get to 1:37:47.760 --> 1:37:52.559 just say what is science, like what is right and wrong? 1:37:53.160 --> 1:37:56.120 Like of course you have certain jurisdiction over your child, 1:37:56.160 --> 1:37:58.680 but like you can't. I don't know people that are 1:37:58.720 --> 1:38:01.120 just like, yeah, we just like I don't believe in medicine, 1:38:01.200 --> 1:38:04.800 so by you have to die now, Like I don't know, 1:38:04.840 --> 1:38:07.240 I can't handle that all right, And we do not 1:38:07.360 --> 1:38:10.040 have a guest today, so let's move right into our 1:38:10.080 --> 1:38:15.040 post mortem. 1:38:15.280 --> 1:38:17.719 I mean, this episode is so wild. 1:38:17.800 --> 1:38:20.479 I just like it truly reminds you that there is 1:38:20.600 --> 1:38:25.160 a denialism community for almost everything, Like there is probably 1:38:25.160 --> 1:38:27.360 a community that's like the flu is not real. The 1:38:27.439 --> 1:38:32.320 flu is like your body's energy, you know, just collapsing 1:38:32.360 --> 1:38:34.479 in on itself and you just need to like wear 1:38:34.520 --> 1:38:35.559 a crystal in your pocket. 1:38:35.640 --> 1:38:37.400 Like I don't know the fact that. 1:38:37.680 --> 1:38:39.519 There were people that just don't think AIDS is real, 1:38:39.880 --> 1:38:41.800 I should believe it because I know there's other wild 1:38:41.800 --> 1:38:43.400 denialism communities. 1:38:43.040 --> 1:38:47.280 Must come out of like arrogance, right, I don't know, 1:38:47.439 --> 1:38:51.320 Like I I just don't like people think they are Galileo, 1:38:51.600 --> 1:38:52.240 you know what I mean? 1:38:52.320 --> 1:38:53.839 Yea, Like they are. 1:38:53.720 --> 1:38:56.840 The ones that know about how the planets are moving, like, 1:38:57.120 --> 1:39:00.200 and that's that is what they are feeling. Because it's 1:39:00.240 --> 1:39:02.600 like you have all of these doctors, scientists, people that 1:39:02.640 --> 1:39:05.080 know what they're talking about are saying this thing and 1:39:05.240 --> 1:39:09.840 you say, no, it's it's not that, like that's arrogance. 1:39:09.920 --> 1:39:12.400 I don't know. Yeah, yeah, because I don't know. 1:39:12.600 --> 1:39:15.800 I just but I also B D Wong hosted that 1:39:15.880 --> 1:39:18.560 show Something Is Killing Me, where it's like something is 1:39:18.640 --> 1:39:20.400 killing someone and they keep going to doctors and no 1:39:20.439 --> 1:39:22.880 one is helping them. So it's like, I understand having 1:39:22.920 --> 1:39:26.760 like issues a doctor, yeah, but it's like a whole 1:39:26.800 --> 1:39:27.800 medical commun I don't know. 1:39:27.840 --> 1:39:31.479 I just but I don't want to trust the government either. 1:39:31.520 --> 1:39:35.519 I mean, it's all very complicated, but it's your your 1:39:35.600 --> 1:39:39.439 kid died, like the crime. It's like, at what point 1:39:40.120 --> 1:39:45.040 does your opinion and thought about something not as important 1:39:45.040 --> 1:39:46.280 like your kid's life should be more. 1:39:46.240 --> 1:39:50.200 Important, right, And I guess it's like you could. I mean, 1:39:50.280 --> 1:39:50.640 I don't know. 1:39:50.680 --> 1:39:52.519 It's like it's like you can google anything on the 1:39:52.520 --> 1:39:54.880 internet and find the answer that you want. So when 1:39:54.880 --> 1:39:58.120 people are like, oh, I've done my own research, I'm like, oh, 1:39:58.240 --> 1:39:59.960 I don't know. I don't have the time to like 1:40:00.320 --> 1:40:02.479 fully get a medical degree in anything. 1:40:02.640 --> 1:40:03.960 So I trust a. 1:40:03.880 --> 1:40:05.759 Doctor if I think the doctor is being a little 1:40:05.760 --> 1:40:08.360 bit there's certainly. I've met doctors I don't like, and 1:40:08.400 --> 1:40:10.519 I'm kind of like, I don't think your opinion is like, 1:40:10.600 --> 1:40:12.360 so you go to someone else, like you you know, 1:40:12.439 --> 1:40:16.200 I would try various people, maybe check some message boards 1:40:16.200 --> 1:40:19.439 and see what people are saying, but like, I don't know, 1:40:19.600 --> 1:40:20.679 use your common sense. 1:40:20.720 --> 1:40:23.200 It's like your daughter is dying. I don't know. It's 1:40:23.360 --> 1:40:23.840 it's so. 1:40:25.240 --> 1:40:28.280 Well And this, obviously the denialism reminds me of like, 1:40:28.680 --> 1:40:33.080 you know, Trump cult. Yeah, I and like religion and stuff, 1:40:33.080 --> 1:40:35.160 but I just saw a video and it was amazing. 1:40:35.640 --> 1:40:38.400 They were like, hey, if you told someone you really 1:40:38.439 --> 1:40:40.559 really loved them, but if they did something wrong that 1:40:40.640 --> 1:40:41.760 you would burn them? 1:40:42.439 --> 1:40:42.640 Is that? 1:40:42.960 --> 1:40:45.000 And they're like, no, that's not real love. So they're like, 1:40:45.280 --> 1:40:48.120 so God in hell is bad, right? And the guy 1:40:48.160 --> 1:40:50.960 goes nope and like leaves. You know, if you've ever 1:40:51.040 --> 1:40:53.519 seen someone get questioned about God, there's like another clip 1:40:53.520 --> 1:40:56.320 that always shows up to me where he's like God, 1:40:56.840 --> 1:40:59.240 you know all about anti abortion stuff, and he goes, 1:40:59.280 --> 1:41:01.799 didn't God can all the first born sons? 1:41:02.160 --> 1:41:03.080 Wasn't that? Yeah? 1:41:03.120 --> 1:41:05.080 And the guy goes, I'm done talking now, and they 1:41:05.160 --> 1:41:09.280 like leave. It's like they I don't I don't know. Yeah, 1:41:09.360 --> 1:41:11.920 I just feel like I've had to change my mind 1:41:11.960 --> 1:41:16.000 and opinions often, and I've been wrong all the time, right, and. 1:41:16.000 --> 1:41:18.880 So I and it's tough. 1:41:18.880 --> 1:41:20.880 I am not saying it's like not tough to be like, 1:41:20.920 --> 1:41:24.080 oh fuck, I'm an idiot, or like I was wrong 1:41:24.120 --> 1:41:27.400 all this time, Like I get that, but I'm I'm 1:41:27.439 --> 1:41:30.080 happy I have the capacity because I would hate to 1:41:30.080 --> 1:41:31.400 be that embarrassing on the internet. 1:41:31.920 --> 1:41:33.400 Yeah, No, I am the same. 1:41:33.439 --> 1:41:36.320 I'm always like, well, famously, I believed this for a 1:41:36.320 --> 1:41:38.439 really long time until I found out this, you know, like, 1:41:38.479 --> 1:41:41.160 I feel like I'm pretty open about changing my mind 1:41:41.200 --> 1:41:44.639 on stuff because the people that are just have had 1:41:44.680 --> 1:41:47.160 the same beliefs for so long and now they're so 1:41:47.320 --> 1:41:49.360 old that they're like, I can't even defend this. I 1:41:49.439 --> 1:41:51.360 just have to end the conversation. And so I feel 1:41:51.439 --> 1:41:53.800 arguing with my parents about stuff, they've just believed it 1:41:53.840 --> 1:41:56.080 for so long that they're like, I don't really want 1:41:56.120 --> 1:41:58.559 to argue with this with you about this, and it's like, okay, 1:41:58.920 --> 1:42:02.400 you know, you just can't. But you can't teach an 1:42:02.400 --> 1:42:04.840 old dog new tricks sometimes, And I'm glad. What I'm 1:42:04.840 --> 1:42:07.120 saying is I'm young. That's all I'm saying. I'm very young, 1:42:07.479 --> 1:42:09.960 and my my opinions are still pliable and malleable. 1:42:10.520 --> 1:42:13.880 Yeah, it's just like you're being proven wrong to your face. 1:42:14.160 --> 1:42:15.120 Yeah, I know. 1:42:15.240 --> 1:42:17.599 I'm out. I'm out. And it's like, yeah, no, hell 1:42:17.760 --> 1:42:18.160 is crazy. 1:42:18.200 --> 1:42:20.800 You can't say God is all loving and forgiving and 1:42:20.800 --> 1:42:23.920 then have hell. Like yeah, I actually never even thought 1:42:23.920 --> 1:42:26.880 about that. Like that clip really appealed to me. I go, oh, 1:42:27.040 --> 1:42:29.360 that's a good one. I'm like, that is a good one. 1:42:30.880 --> 1:42:33.000 But I don't know, but I know. 1:42:33.160 --> 1:42:35.880 Is there their excuse, like, oh, but hell is where 1:42:35.920 --> 1:42:38.240 you go if you don't ask for the Lord's forgiveness 1:42:38.240 --> 1:42:40.400 and you don't ask for the Lord to like take 1:42:40.400 --> 1:42:41.439 you back like or whatever. 1:42:42.080 --> 1:42:44.240 Like is that what they would say. I don't know. 1:42:44.280 --> 1:42:47.960 They say lots of thing. I just belief systems are wild. 1:42:48.040 --> 1:42:54.280 I don't really know, like I am trying to. I 1:42:54.360 --> 1:42:57.800 just have never been a really religious person. No, it's 1:42:57.840 --> 1:43:03.200 hard for me to like, I don't know, I have 1:43:03.200 --> 1:43:05.559 no idea. But my dad is a synagogue now. But 1:43:05.640 --> 1:43:08.280 I think once you hit your eighties, you gotta you 1:43:08.320 --> 1:43:09.160 gotta make amends. 1:43:09.320 --> 1:43:14.280 Yeah, time is ticking, Dade, Time is a ticken. 1:43:15.800 --> 1:43:19.639 Speaking of doctors, Colin just sent me a text that said, 1:43:19.680 --> 1:43:23.400 the way Lisa is pronouncing giland Barr on your podcast, 1:43:23.400 --> 1:43:28.160 which is some disorder. You've pronounced Goulan bear, Gillian bear, Julian. 1:43:28.640 --> 1:43:33.320 He goes, it's really sending me yes, And I have 1:43:33.360 --> 1:43:36.000 no idea, I have no idea how you actually say it, 1:43:36.040 --> 1:43:38.640 but that this just in, This just in from my 1:43:38.720 --> 1:43:40.479 brother Colin. 1:43:42.040 --> 1:43:47.519 Yeah, but wait, it's medical. Oh Reagan fucking Agan fuck rage. 1:43:48.600 --> 1:43:50.040 Well, because that's what it all is. 1:43:50.080 --> 1:43:53.080 Like sixties and seventies were like free love, let's be 1:43:53.200 --> 1:43:56.280 fun and gay and awesome, and then eighties it was like, 1:43:56.280 --> 1:43:59.720 oh yeah, let's let these people fucking die. Yeah, and 1:44:00.680 --> 1:44:03.080 it's and I feel like we're in that time again 1:44:03.120 --> 1:44:07.720 where we're just went backwards where there was growth and 1:44:07.840 --> 1:44:10.439 now it's they just don't want it. Now we're getting 1:44:10.920 --> 1:44:14.920 the commandments and hung in schools. It's like it's wild 1:44:15.040 --> 1:44:15.280 to me. 1:44:15.360 --> 1:44:18.320 And the thing is is like, look at HIV and 1:44:18.360 --> 1:44:20.240 AIDS and how far we have come, Like it is 1:44:20.280 --> 1:44:24.639 not a death sentence anymore. Like medicine has actually prepped 1:44:24.680 --> 1:44:28.000 and people and prep and people are living long lives 1:44:28.080 --> 1:44:32.360 and it's not a death sentence anymore because of science 1:44:32.479 --> 1:44:37.640 and the opposite of AIDS denilism. So it's really I 1:44:37.800 --> 1:44:40.240 just I don't know what you even. It's you know, 1:44:40.360 --> 1:44:42.280 you can't talk to people that are like the sky's purple, 1:44:42.439 --> 1:44:44.120 so but. 1:44:44.960 --> 1:44:48.599 No, and you know what I do have to I'm sorry, 1:44:48.800 --> 1:44:52.160 but did you see Travis surprise Taylor and then Taylor 1:44:52.200 --> 1:44:54.200 getting excited when Travis flew to Dublin? 1:44:54.840 --> 1:44:58.559 Okay, sorry I didn't see it, but I hear she's cute. 1:44:58.640 --> 1:45:01.360 I heard she got stuck on a platform that that 1:45:01.439 --> 1:45:04.599 did happen too. I'm really proud of you a scroll. 1:45:04.680 --> 1:45:07.160 I saw there's been a lot of technical issues, and 1:45:07.200 --> 1:45:10.040 of course the Wild Swifties are like, that's a glitch 1:45:10.080 --> 1:45:12.280 and it's because of a reputation and it's coming out. 1:45:12.160 --> 1:45:14.200 And it's like, let this bitch just like finish her 1:45:14.280 --> 1:45:15.040 to hour in peace. 1:45:15.720 --> 1:45:19.080 But also they one of my mom friends. 1:45:19.080 --> 1:45:21.479 But it's her singing and he flew in mid concert 1:45:21.640 --> 1:45:24.680 and like you could just see them being really really cute. 1:45:25.439 --> 1:45:27.320 But he flew back to la for a friend's wedding 1:45:27.320 --> 1:45:30.519 and then back to Ireland. So honestly, it's fun being 1:45:30.600 --> 1:45:31.240 rich and in love. 1:45:31.800 --> 1:45:33.560 Yeah, it's nice to watch. 1:45:34.760 --> 1:45:36.240 A mom. Friend just texted me and so there's a 1:45:36.280 --> 1:45:39.280 Tailor Swift cover band playing somewhere nearby and that we 1:45:39.360 --> 1:45:42.320 might look into going with the kids. 1:45:42.560 --> 1:45:42.920 You should. 1:45:43.320 --> 1:45:46.840 There's a Taylor Swift dance Parties sing along on my 1:45:46.920 --> 1:45:48.160 birthday in New York. 1:45:48.760 --> 1:45:53.479 Oh, I will be gone, but we'll we'll figure something out. 1:45:54.120 --> 1:45:55.599 I don't know if I'm gonna do it or not, 1:45:55.840 --> 1:45:59.800 but yeah, because I just I don't know. I also 1:45:59.880 --> 1:46:01.639 just want to wait till the concert, and really, yeah, 1:46:01.720 --> 1:46:03.640 go to the feeling. I don't think this singal on 1:46:03.800 --> 1:46:06.200 is going to really even pay. I mean, definitely go 1:46:06.240 --> 1:46:07.960 to the sing along first, because once you go to 1:46:08.000 --> 1:46:09.519 the concert, the sing along is not going to mean 1:46:09.520 --> 1:46:10.040 anything new. 1:46:10.600 --> 1:46:14.519 We're all trying to recreate it again and again. Who knows. Well, 1:46:14.800 --> 1:46:16.880 let's get into our what would Sister peg do? 1:46:17.560 --> 1:46:22.439 Our weekly segment where we direct you towards an organization, article, book, 1:46:22.479 --> 1:46:24.840 something that gives you info about what we talked about today. 1:46:25.040 --> 1:46:26.799 And we wanted to point you today to the Elizabeth 1:46:26.800 --> 1:46:29.920 Glazer Pediatric AIDS Foundation, where a friend of mine has 1:46:29.960 --> 1:46:33.240 worked four years. They are the leading global nonprofit organization 1:46:33.320 --> 1:46:37.639 dedicated to preventing pediatric HIV infection and eliminating pediatric AIDS 1:46:37.640 --> 1:46:40.640 through research, advocacy, and prevention and treatment programs. It was 1:46:40.640 --> 1:46:43.639 founded by Elizabeth Laser in nineteen eighty one, who contracted 1:46:43.720 --> 1:46:46.320 HIV through a blood transfusion and unknowingly passed it to 1:46:46.360 --> 1:46:49.519 her son through breastfeeding, so much like what happened in 1:46:49.520 --> 1:46:52.719 this episode, except she knowingly did it, unlike this woman. 1:46:53.080 --> 1:46:55.080 As a result of Glazer's hard work, her son is 1:46:55.120 --> 1:46:57.960 now a healthy adult. So for more info, head over 1:46:58.040 --> 1:47:02.920 to pedaids dot org. 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But I don't know how the lawsuit worked out, 1:47:44.560 --> 1:47:48.120 but Disney did sue, okay, And next week, you know, 1:47:48.200 --> 1:47:50.599 from AIDS to Jungle King to Next week we will 1:47:50.640 --> 1:47:54.920 be doing shadow from season eleven, episode twelve. And if 1:47:54.920 --> 1:47:57.599 you're someone that doesn't really watch the episodes, this one 1:47:57.800 --> 1:48:03.360 is cooky fun slash. There's there is no uh, there's murder, 1:48:03.360 --> 1:48:05.080 but there you know. It's a chiller one. It's a 1:48:05.160 --> 1:48:05.760 chiller one. 1:48:05.840 --> 1:48:08.040 It feels like watching a little mini movie. I think 1:48:08.080 --> 1:48:10.400 you guys gotta watch it. But we'll see you guys 1:48:10.439 --> 1:48:12.639 next week. 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