1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: It is the best podcast available. You are not trading 2 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: down no matter how many times the phone rings. Welcome 3 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: to another show, everybody. I believe this is episode three. 4 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: We had two in Indianapolis, and this one is from 5 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: the home office. Although Jason Gibbs, the star of Cleveland 6 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: Browns Daily, is back at the Cross Country Mortgage campus, 7 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: I am merely Andrews Siciliano sitting here at the home office. Gibbey, 8 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: it is great to see you. 9 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 2: Are you? 10 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: Are you past the indie hangover? 11 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 3: Yes, although you're putting expectations on me now, expectations like 12 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 3: star power, not star power. I appreciate it, but eh, 13 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 3: let's manage the expectations. 14 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 2: Okay. 15 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 3: Well, as I like to roll the carpet out for you. 16 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 3: You're the play by play voice of the Cleveland Browns. Okay, 17 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 3: but as we and I thank you for that. Absolute 18 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 3: titles are just titles. But as we, as we record 19 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 3: this today, full disclosure. It is the Wednesday after the 20 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 3: combine and before. 21 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: Free agency, at least, I think today's Wednesday. You did 22 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: do the show today CBD with Bo because the girl 23 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: is on the baby moon, right. I think you were 24 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: good for him. As he said, I don't think I'm 25 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: talking out of school. Hey man, I'm having a drink 26 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: for three God bless. I mean, you were the star 27 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: of the show today. 28 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 3: I don't know if I was the star of the 29 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 3: show today, but there were three people in this building 30 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 3: that were the stars of the show. And there were 31 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 3: a lot of things moving around, a lot of visits 32 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 3: going on here today, some big luminaries on the college 33 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 3: football front whose names we might call at the end 34 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 3: of April. 35 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: Well, let's get to that before we wrap up the 36 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: combine and look aat to free agency and free agency. 37 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: The negotiation period opens on Monday the tenth at four 38 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: pm Eastern, and then you could actually sign guys at 39 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:01,559 Speaker 1: four pm on Wednesday. This is after the combined time 40 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: for your top thirty visits. What does that mean. It 41 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: does not mean these are the top thirty players on 42 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: the Browns draft board. There's no such thing as draft board. 43 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: We will not acknowledge draft board. No, this is thirty 44 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: visits for all thirty two teams. You're allowed to bring 45 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 1: thirty players in for official visits in your building. During 46 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 1: these visits, you cannot work out. You can do medical, 47 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: but there's no football activities basically, it's dinner. It's handshakes, 48 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,079 Speaker 1: it's talking to coaches, it's getting on the board, it's 49 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: touring the facility, it's meeting. It's kind of, as they say, 50 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: doing the car wash meeting with everyone shaking a lot 51 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: of hands. It is notable that the Browns have three 52 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: guys in the building today that could be that number 53 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: two overall pick. They include Penn State's Abdul Carter, Colorado's 54 00:02:55,680 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: Travis Hunter, and his teammate at Coloradoor Sanders. All of 55 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: them in the building Wednesday, and we're told, Gibbe, they 56 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: had dinner Tuesday night. 57 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 2: What have you seen? What are you know? I do? 58 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 3: I'd am aware that they had dinner Tuesday night with 59 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 3: the coaches. I heard it was at a steakhouse. Not 60 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:17,399 Speaker 3: sure where that was, Steak. 61 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: Red Steakhouse, Fahrenheit, could be Marble. 62 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 3: Room, Yeah, any any one of those. I'm not really sure. 63 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 3: But they had dinner on Tuesday night, bright and early 64 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 3: at the facility Wednesday morning, a little after eight am. 65 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 3: You know something's a little different in the off season 66 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 3: when you walk down to our cafe and our cafe 67 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 3: staff is unbelievable. Love the great that they take care 68 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 3: of you. But in the off season, you know there 69 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 3: aren't as many mouths to feed, so the food is 70 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 3: dialed back a little bit. You don't have fourteen different options. 71 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 3: You only have five different options for breakfast. When I 72 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 3: walk downstairs and there is a buffet Schmrgesborg, not just 73 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 3: for breakfast, but for lunch as well, and then all 74 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 3: of a sudden, the times are changed when the staff 75 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 3: can eat and when the staff can be downstairs. You 76 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 3: kind of know something's going on, and some other people 77 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 3: are in the building and the guys got in I 78 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 3: think around eight am this morning and been a full 79 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 3: day at the Cross Country Mortgage campus. 80 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 2: Here in Burria. 81 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: Now people might say, well, why are you having three 82 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 1: players in at once? Why don't you do these one 83 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: by one by one. Sometimes it's just aligning schedules. Especially 84 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:37,359 Speaker 1: with these three players, they're gonna want to or they're 85 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 1: going to be requested by a whole bunch of teams, 86 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: not just in the top ten. I mean, not to 87 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: go back to Kevin Costner and draft day. You never 88 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 1: know what a trade might happen, So they're going to 89 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: be plenty of teams that want to have thirty visits 90 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: from these three who are all expected to go in 91 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 1: the top ten, if not even the top five. So 92 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: sometimes this is just a scheduling thing. Sometimes it is strategic, 93 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: and I'm not speaking in this instance for the Browns, 94 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: I don't know, but sometimes you bring guys in to 95 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: see how they interact together, to see who's the loud 96 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 1: one at dinner, right, who's polite to the waiter. So, yeah, 97 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 1: they're having them all three in here. Cam Ward this 98 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: week was in Tennessee as well. Cam Ward will eventually 99 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 1: get to Cleveland. They'll eventually have that thirty visit as. 100 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 2: Well, sooner rather than later, my friends. 101 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 1: Oh, okay, Gibbe with inside information, you're suggesting cam Ward's 102 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 1: going to be in by the end of the week. 103 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 3: I think that might be a possibility. 104 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: Okay, well, stay tuned. 105 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 3: I think you're going to get a lot of the 106 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 3: top ones in prior to free agency. 107 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 2: Starting here next week. 108 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: Interesting, which is not that big of a deal. You 109 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 1: want to get a lot of them over with, and 110 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: free agency does begin, as mentioned on the tenth, and 111 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: it's really hard to do a mock draft until you 112 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: get through free agency, until you see where the veterans land, 113 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,799 Speaker 1: especially with the veteran quarterbacks land. There are so many variables, 114 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 1: not only here for the Browns, but for other teams 115 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: as well. By the way the Browns are allowed all 116 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 1: as are the other teams allowed what we call local visits, 117 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: meaning players from your city. Denzel Ward, for example, could 118 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: have been a local visit years ago before he was 119 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: the fourth overall pick by the Browns in twenty eighteen 120 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 1: because he grew up in the Cleveland burbs. So you 121 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 1: could bring those guys in as well, and those are 122 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: unlimited as many of those workouts as you can those in. 123 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 1: Those players can actually work out. And the Browns have 124 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 1: three schools designated Ohio State, Akron, and Kent State. Right 125 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 1: those three schools you can get unlimited local visits from, 126 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 1: so if they want to work out a Buckeye and 127 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 1: we could have fourteen buck Eyes drafted, they can actually 128 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: bring a buck guye in. So that is to their 129 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: advantage certainly, as they have the defending national champions just 130 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: a couple of hours down the road. Those are the 131 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: thirty visits. Don't read too much into him. Clearly, all 132 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: of those guys are in play at number two. Gibby, 133 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: we mentioned we're what we're back from the Indianapolis hangover. 134 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: A lot of it is just kind of taking a 135 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 1: breath and trying to process what it was we saw. 136 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: And I think a big question mark with cam Ward 137 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: and should or Sanders not throwing, is who is quarterback? 138 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 2: Three? 139 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: From the people that I talked to, it's really down 140 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: to two people. It's down to Jackson Dart and it's 141 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: down to Tyler Shuck, one of the previous from Ole 142 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: Miss the other from three different schools, Oregon and then 143 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: Texas Tech and Louisville. Shuck is going to be twenty 144 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: six in mid September. But of the quarterbacks here who threw, 145 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: he probably looked the best. He ran like a four 146 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: to six four. He was one of only two quarterbacks 147 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: that did run. When he ran, and the crowd went 148 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: while and at a decent time. He really hammed it 149 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: up with the crowd there in Indianapolis talking to people 150 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: they were down on the field. He was kind of 151 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: the alpha, and that's always what you look for, whether 152 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: it's the Senior Bowl or any of the All Star 153 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: Games or at the combine, like which quarterback kind of 154 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: stands out as the leader. Now, not all leaders are loud, 155 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: and he wasn't loud, but he had a swagger to him, 156 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: partly because he's married. He's an older guy. He played 157 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: seven years. I mean, for Pete's sake, he had two 158 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: years with Justin Herbert, won a red shirt year in 159 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: which he got in for a couple of games at 160 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: another year in which he actually played a little bit 161 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: behind Herbert in mop up duty. But he played two 162 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:27,119 Speaker 1: years with Justin Herbert at Oregon. And now Tyler Schuck 163 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: is going to get drafted in Justin Herbert's sixth year 164 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: in the NFL. 165 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 2: That's alright, that's all right. 166 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 3: Age is just a number. Let's go go live. If 167 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 3: the guy gives you four or five great years and 168 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 3: then he's thirty one, Okay, I got four or five 169 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 3: great years. I think he's a good quarterback. Loved his 170 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 3: I love what he had to say at the combine, 171 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 3: at the podium. I thought he did really well. I 172 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 3: think sometimes we think about guy is whether they perform 173 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 3: at the combine or if they choose to sit out. 174 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 3: Not sure how much it can help you, but I 175 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 3: think that it can hurt you if you don't do well. 176 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 3: I'll be interested to see what a lot of these 177 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 3: mock drafts coming out have to say about Will Howard 178 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 3: going forward, given everything that has gone on with him. 179 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 3: He didn't have the greatest combine, but Chuck an outstanding effort, 180 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 3: and Jackson Dart appears to be the number three guy. 181 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 3: Now the question becomes how many quarterbacks go off the 182 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 3: board on Night one in Green Bay. 183 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:35,199 Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you right now, I think it's 184 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: going to be three. I think Jackson Darty is that 185 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: third pick. And I think the question is where does 186 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: he go. Is it a quarterback needy team that just 187 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: takes him, say in the middle of the first round, 188 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: or is it a team that much like in twenty 189 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:49,959 Speaker 1: eighteen when the Ravens traded back up to thirty two 190 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:51,559 Speaker 1: to get the fifth year, which is what you get 191 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,839 Speaker 1: on a first round contract. Is it a team trading 192 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: back up into the twenties when there's a team willing 193 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: to get out for more draft picks. Say the Vikings, 194 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: for example, that only have three draft picks. They're going 195 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: to get a fourth, maybe a fifth, but definitely going 196 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: to get a fourth, a fourth pick and a third 197 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 1: rounder at that for Kirk Cousins in a couple of weeks. 198 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: But someone trades back in. I think and takes Jackson 199 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: Dart and I think he's the third. I don't think 200 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: Tyler Shuck goes in the first round because I do 201 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 1: think the age and the relative starting inexperience is probably 202 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 1: held against him. But I'll guarantee you this, someone's going 203 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 1: to take him probably Night two, and Tyler Shuck will 204 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: start multiple games next year. 205 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:36,839 Speaker 3: You can write it down hot take all right, all right, 206 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 3: I like it. 207 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 2: Again. 208 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 3: I think he's a really solid quarterback and I think 209 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 3: deserves a shot. And I think everybody needs to stop 210 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 3: talking about his age. We get it. It is what 211 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 3: it is. Can he play? Can he throw the football? 212 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 3: Can he make plays? Can he lead a team? It 213 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 3: appears that he can do all of those things. Can 214 00:10:57,960 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 3: he do it on the NFL stage? 215 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:00,679 Speaker 2: We're going to find just. 216 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: Some quick takeaways here. You are going to see three 217 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: tight ends take into the first round. I think Mason Taylor, 218 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: the son of Jason, the nephew of Zach Thomas, is 219 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: going to be that third tight end. Really not a 220 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: bad thing to say about him. He's athletic, he's a 221 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: polished pro seemingly already as a rookie out of LSU. 222 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,439 Speaker 1: I think He is the number three tight end. DK 223 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: Metcalf is in the news today as the Seahawks wide 224 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: receivers officially asked for a trade. Seattle also has released 225 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: the veteran Tyler Lockett, one of my favorite guys in 226 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,719 Speaker 1: the NFL. If you want to make an athletic comparison 227 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: in this draft to DK Metcalf, it's a guy named 228 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 1: Nick Amminwari who is a safety from South Carolina. He 229 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: is basically DK Metcalf playing safety. He and Metcalf are 230 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: the only guys at the combine in twenty plus years 231 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 1: to be six to three or higher, to run a 232 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: sub four four forty, and to have an eleven foot 233 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: broad jump and a forty inch vertical He is DK 234 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 1: Metcalf playing safety. And while I think there was some question, 235 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 1: you know, is the athletic ability always equal to the 236 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: tape on game day? And maybe he goes in the 237 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: second there is no way he gets out of the 238 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: first round. He's likely going middle of the first. 239 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 3: Six three or taller, good speed. I like him to 240 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:28,959 Speaker 3: play safety for US. 241 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 2: I wouldn't. I wouldn't, but it wouldn't be a bad thing. 242 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 2: He won't be. 243 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: There, No, he well he's he'll be there too. There 244 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: is no way he is going to be there at 245 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: thirty three. And athletically overall, this combine class is as 246 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: tall and as fast two things that I am not 247 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 1: as tall and as fast as any group of players 248 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: at the combine in over twenty years. So whether it's 249 00:12:56,120 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: college football weight rooms or strength programs or training tables, 250 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: whatever it is, or whether it's just the way we 251 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: as a species have grown bigger and taller and faster 252 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: and stronger, this is a freakishly athletic group here, as 253 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: there were twenty two sub four four forties collectively at 254 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty five NFL scouting Combine. Now, with all 255 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 1: that said, I think there's some big questions at offensive line. 256 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: Like Will Campbell does have shorter arms. Some people think 257 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 1: he's a guard. I can tell you that he played 258 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: twenty seven consecutive games mostly SEC competition without allowing a sack. 259 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: I think that means something. But you know, where do 260 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: you play him? Is Texas a guard? Is Josh Simmons 261 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: recovered from the knee injury? What do you think of 262 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: Josh connerly Membos probably going to be the first offensive 263 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: tackle off the board. I think maybe ahead, well, maybe 264 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: not a problem. It's either him or Will Campbell. But 265 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: if you're asking, can the Browns just go blue chip 266 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: O line at two, I would almost definitively say right 267 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:08,439 Speaker 1: now that answer, regardless of what you think of the quarterbacks. 268 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 2: Is now, Yeah. 269 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 3: I think I think you would have to move back. 270 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 3: I think you're training back. Yeah, I think that eight 271 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 3: to twelve spot, maybe maybe as high as six. You 272 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 3: can make the argument. The Campbell combine stuff was interesting. 273 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 3: It's coming out of the combine. Some of these guys 274 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 3: just fell and you and I were talking about it. 275 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 3: It's kind of silly season. Maybe it's teams trying to 276 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 3: take you away from their guy. Maybe there's something there 277 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 3: that you know is an alarm bell at the Michigan 278 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 3: the Michigan corner who I thought was one of the 279 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 3: Will John probably not one of the top four, top 280 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 3: four players, but definitely one of the top eight overall players. 281 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 2: You know. 282 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 3: I mean he's now in the teams. I mean, we've 283 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 3: even seen Shador move down into the twenties. I don't 284 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 3: see that happening. But Austin Jenny skyrocketed up. I've seen 285 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 3: him as high as six now. To the Raiders, which 286 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 3: would be a very Raider thing to do. There's some 287 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 3: guys moving all over the board here, but offensive lineman, 288 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 3: I mean, I still think you're gonna and you're gonna 289 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 3: have a run on offensive lineman. I think you're probably 290 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 3: gonna have five offensive linemen go on Night one. 291 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: And I think you could have as many as three 292 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: running backs go. I don't want to predict night number 293 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: one for the run because it is fluid, but I 294 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: can say this confidently. I think there are six legitimate, 295 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: very good starting running backs in this draft. I think 296 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: you could see between eight and ten eventual starting running 297 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: backs come out of this draft. Now, what is a 298 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: starting running back? Is that a guy that is clearly 299 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: the number two when you break camp, but to take 300 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: over week ten when a veteran inevitably gets hurt, and 301 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: then that rookie puts in a couple of nice performances 302 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: and we head into next year's training camp saying that 303 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: guy is the league guy. Maybe, but I think there 304 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: legitimately are five, six, seven, as many as ten starting 305 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: running backs in this league in this draft, to beg 306 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: your pardon, and it's not just Ashton Genty at the top. 307 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: It's North Carolina, it's Iowa, it's Tennessee, it's I mean, 308 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: you can go down the list here. You are going 309 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: to be able to find a starting running back at 310 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: thirty three if that's where you want to take him, 311 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: or with either of the two third round picks that 312 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: the Browns have, you might not even have to take 313 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: one in the third round. You might be able to wait. 314 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: Jerome Ford was a fifth round pick. Pierre Strong was actually, 315 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: if you remember, picked ahead of Jerad picked by the Patriots, 316 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 1: but taking ahead of Jerome Ford after he had drum 317 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: did two great years at Cincinnati, after starting in a 318 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 1: stacked running back room at Alabama, but deciding to leave 319 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: so that he could get to the Bearcats and actually, 320 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 1: you know, show some people what he could do and 321 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 1: why he was a blue chip recruit at one point 322 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: at Alabama. All Right, what else am I missing here 323 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: from the combine? 324 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:23,479 Speaker 2: Oh? 325 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 1: You want to get to the shador thing. Let's just 326 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 1: talk about the quarterbacks a little bit more. 327 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, the guy doesn't perform at the combine. He 328 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 3: doesn't throw, he doesn't go through drills or anything. He 329 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 3: does his combine press conference, he meets with teams and 330 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 3: what are we doing? Why is he dropping? What's going on? 331 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 3: Tell me you're you are plugged in from a national perspective, 332 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,199 Speaker 3: You have lots of friends in high places. 333 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 2: What why? 334 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 3: Why is a guy like that who you know, again 335 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 3: didn't do anything? Did he really harm himself in the 336 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 3: interview process. 337 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 2: There's a lot to unpack here. 338 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: Let me let me offer this first, and I'm gonna 339 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: just push back a little bit when you say he's dropping, 340 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: what do you mean. 341 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 3: In a lot of these mock drafts, there are plenty 342 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 3: that still have him in the top three, in the 343 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 3: top six, But now you're seeing a couple that are like, well, 344 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 3: it's in the late teens, maybe it's in the twenties, 345 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 3: and maybe there's some clickbaits that don't even have him 346 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 3: in the first round, which I'm kind of like, Okay, 347 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 3: silly season is officially here. 348 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 2: That's not going to happen. 349 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 3: But the scuttle but that maybe he's rubbed some people 350 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 3: the wrong way and how he's handled himself in some 351 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 3: of these one in some of these team meetings at 352 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:49,439 Speaker 3: the combine or whatnot. I just I don't really is 353 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 3: it that bad that you know, people would drop him 354 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 3: the way that they're dropping him down. 355 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: This is the time of the year where I always 356 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 1: want to caution people and gibbe, you know this, not 357 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: believe everything you hear and read, and that you have 358 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: to connect dots where stories are coming from. So I 359 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:16,360 Speaker 1: get asked sometimes and you do as well. Hey would 360 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: would a team or would an agent, or would anyone 361 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 1: actually put something out there into the ether to try 362 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: to influence good or bad where the player ends up. Yes, 363 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,919 Speaker 1: the answer is yes. People do it all the time. 364 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 1: Would a team that wants to draft a player get 365 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:40,120 Speaker 1: into the ether, into the internet, into the Twitter's information 366 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: or maybe hang I heard that guy didn't do well 367 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:48,439 Speaker 1: the meeting to have him fall to them. Yes, that 368 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: is real. That's not the only explanation. There are sometimes 369 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 1: other explanations. Look full disclosure. You and I were there 370 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: on Friday. We heard shador. I didn't speak to him personally. 371 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: I didn't you know. I wasn't part of the car 372 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: wash he went through afterwards. I've never heard a bad 373 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: word about him. He has a quiet you want to say, 374 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: aloof I don't think it's a bad thing. Sometimes he 375 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 1: has a big smile and a confidence too him. 376 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 2: He jousted with the media. 377 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: You and I talked about this on the pod last week. 378 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: I don't I didn't get a bad impression of him 379 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 1: at all. However, it doesn't mean others can't. Not everyone 380 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:32,880 Speaker 1: has to like everyone. And yes, I'm sure that there 381 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 1: were teams. Now, I have not heard this personally. I 382 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: want to make it very clear. I am not one 383 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 1: of the people writing a column that says I heard 384 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: Team X didn't like the kid. I am not that person. 385 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:46,199 Speaker 1: I'm not, but I will say that, like pump the brakes, 386 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 1: it is possible that a room full of human beings, 387 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: that in a room full of human beings meeting with 388 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 1: a prospective job applicant or the job applicant, that not 389 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: everyone in the room liked the job applicant. I mean, 390 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:05,360 Speaker 1: that's called human nature. Somebody applies for a job, Okay, 391 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 1: meet the hiring committee. You come in, you sit down. 392 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 1: There are ten people in the hiring committee. If eight 393 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 1: of them liked the applicant and two of them didn't, 394 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 1: that sounds like the guy did the job right. And 395 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: if the two decided to tell their friends that I 396 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: didn't like the guy, where's where's the crime. It's human nature. 397 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 1: Now we're sensitive to this, and a lot of people 398 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: are sensitive to this because over the years there have 399 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: been tropes and reasons for disliking a player that don't 400 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: seem fair. I don't know that this is the case, 401 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: but I do know this, most importantly, whether it's Bill 402 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: Musgrave's connection to Dion Sanders and they were teammates with 403 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: the forty nine ers, or whether it's Kevin Stefanski's connection 404 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: with Pat Schrmer not only friends but former co workers. 405 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:02,919 Speaker 1: Together with the Vikings, the Browns will have the information, 406 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: and more importantly, they have him Gibby in the building 407 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 1: in which you're sitting right now, and it's about what 408 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: they think, not about what other people think. 409 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,239 Speaker 3: It's going to be fascinating to see here over the 410 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 3: next few days, and that leads into legal tampering and 411 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 3: free agency. A very busy offseason already in the last 412 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 3: seventy two hours for the National Football League. 413 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get something out of the way first here 414 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 1: when it comes to legal tampering. Not you, Gibbe, but 415 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: I hate that phrase. There is no such thing as 416 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 1: legal tamper. Okay, at four o'clock on Monday, So when 417 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,679 Speaker 1: your favorite talking headshow on television talks about legal tampering, 418 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:46,439 Speaker 1: just hit mute. They don't know what they're talking about. 419 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: At four pm Eastern time on Monday, teams are allowed 420 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:54,360 Speaker 1: to negotiate. It is legal, It is kosher, It is encouraged. 421 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: They just can't officially shake hands on a deal or 422 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 1: write their name on a docu sign. Okay, they can't 423 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 1: Wednesday till Wednesday at four pm Eastern time, but it 424 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:10,439 Speaker 1: is not legal tampering. You're allowed to negotiate. It's legal. 425 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 1: Take the tampering out of it. 426 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 2: Now. 427 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: If a deal gets done Sunday, wink wink, nudge, nudge 428 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: behind the scenes via text message on a burner phone, 429 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: that is illegal tampering and for that there could be 430 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 1: sanctions also. 431 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 2: By the way, who we fooling? 432 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 1: That probably happens because at one oh one Eastern time 433 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 1: on Monday, you will have deals announced or one oh 434 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: four or one oh eight. And to think that in 435 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: an eight minute window, Team X and player Y could 436 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: work out a deal if they hadn't at least kind 437 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 1: of walk through the parameters of what that deal might 438 00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 1: look like at an Indianapolis coffee shop or steakhouse last week, 439 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 1: it's hard to believe they could get that deal done 440 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: that quickly. But come Monday, it's legal negotiations. 441 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 2: Exactly, and things will move quickly. 442 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 3: And this free agency class that we thought, there's some 443 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,479 Speaker 3: good pieces and there's some good players. But is it 444 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 3: one of the better free agent classes that we've seen 445 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 3: in the last few years. No, But given all the 446 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 3: guys that have been cut or people that are now 447 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 3: find themselves in need of a job, this class is 448 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 3: quickly moving up the charts. Now, if you're cut, you're 449 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 3: allowed to start negotiating. If I'm speaking wrong, let me know, 450 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 3: but you're allowed to start negotiating now. If you've been cut, 451 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 3: you don't have to wait till the. 452 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: Noon. 453 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 2: How are on Monday? 454 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 3: You can start now and have a deal done by Monday. 455 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 1: Correct, although you have to you absolutely correctly. 456 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 2: Ee, you need to. 457 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: And I caution fans read the fine print on the 458 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 1: reporting because sometimes you know, one of the insiders will say, hey, 459 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 1: the team informs player that he will be released at 460 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: the start of the new league year to avoid paying 461 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 1: a bonus due on the third day of the new 462 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: league year, and sometimes those transactions are held until Wednesday. 463 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: But if you're just flat out cut and the team 464 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: announces that you are free to go, and the wide 465 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 1: receiver class is getting more interesting. Christian Kirk was cut today. 466 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: DK Metcalf, not a free agent, has at least asked 467 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: to be traded in Seattle. Gardner Minshew in Vegas. He's 468 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: been informed that he's going to be released. So there's 469 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: another quarterback out there. Max Crosby coincidentally or not coincidentally, 470 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: on the same day at least is going to get 471 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: a big new deal worth about thirty five ap y 472 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 1: with the Raiders. Miles Garrett, T. J. Watts certainly look 473 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: at that. But Gibe, you want to run down here? 474 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: I got the list of the Brown free agents you 475 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: want me to run down? 476 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 2: It? 477 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 3: Run them down, my friends? Some names worth watching here. 478 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 1: Okay, so let's do it in alphabetical order. A Chemidenergy 479 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 1: got hurt last year. I mean sure, if you liked 480 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:13,959 Speaker 1: him last year and he's healthy, you could bring him 481 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 1: back as a as a swing piece on the offensive line. 482 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: Jordan Nakens, Yeah, I liked his contributions. Love that he's 483 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,159 Speaker 1: a former baseball. 484 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 2: His best year is a Brown. 485 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 1: This past year, Blake Whiteheart had his tender the Browns 486 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: Game of Tender. So he's going to be back. Jordan Akins, 487 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,120 Speaker 1: I have no idea Tony Brown, key special teams guy 488 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: before he had a foot injury late in the year. 489 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: Devin Bushall wouldn't mind back Jaron Christian They had to 490 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: pick him up late in the season again for depth. 491 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:44,640 Speaker 1: Don't know that he's going to be back. The big 492 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 1: one here is Nick Chubb. Obviously I want Nick Chubb back. 493 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: Let's say, let's say it right now. I want Nick 494 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: Chubb back. The issue is at what price and in 495 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 1: what role? 496 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 2: It goes? 497 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: Without saying the Browns with right now, there are eleven 498 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,679 Speaker 1: picks they should be drafting a running back, one that 499 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: they should expect to contribute next year with Jerome Ford, 500 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: maybe Pierre Strong as well. Is their room in that 501 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: backfield for. 502 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 2: Nick Chubb? 503 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,719 Speaker 1: And at what price? I know Browns fans are a 504 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 1: gass that they would let him hit free agency. It 505 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: is tough out there for a veteran running back coming 506 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,919 Speaker 1: back off another major injury. Now the foot's not a 507 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 1: major injury, but you know what I'm saying, I would 508 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 1: like it back. It depends on the price, and it 509 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,919 Speaker 1: depends on the role, and honestly, it depends on what 510 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: else Nick finds out there. If someone's going to give 511 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 1: him one year and ten million, which I highly doubt 512 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,640 Speaker 1: is going to happen, then the Browns simply can't do. 513 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:44,919 Speaker 3: That, correct, I mean, that's it's got to be. Unfortunately, 514 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 3: it's a team friendly deal, it's not so much a 515 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 3: player friendly deal. And I hope he's back. We'll see 516 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 3: if he's part of this first wave of free agents. 517 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 3: Free agency comes in waves. If not, with every wave 518 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,159 Speaker 3: that comes that doesn't include a Nick Chubb's signing, I 519 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 3: feel better about him coming back. 520 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would love to have him back, and I 521 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: think this one is going to be a wait and see, 522 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 1: ye man. I don't mean wait and see for a 523 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 1: couple of days. I mean wait and see for multiple 524 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: weeks to see if Nick Chubb is back. Michael Dunn 525 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 1: valuable piece on the offensive line. Don't mind that he's back, 526 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 1: Mike Ford. Same thing when it comes to special teams. 527 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 1: Deonta Foreman. I'd be surprised if he was back. Nick Harris, 528 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: if he's healthy, would welcoming back. James Hudson. You know, 529 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 1: he started a lot of games when needed. He never 530 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: really established himself as a starter, so to speak. You know, 531 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: he's a guy that Bill Callahan took under his wing. 532 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: And remember he started in college as a defensive tackle. 533 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: They moved him to offensive tackle. I think he still 534 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: work in progress. I don't know that he's going to 535 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: go find a starting job elsewhere. Khalik Hudson, nice special 536 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: teams player. Moe Hurst would love him back. That's a 537 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: great Andrew Berry find. By the way, for a former 538 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 1: Day two pick a couple of years ago who had 539 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: some health issues, Jermaina Fetti, Hey, he played tackle well 540 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 1: when they needed him down the stretch. I don't think 541 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: Elijah Moore is going to be back. James proshe I'd 542 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: be surprised. Jeff Swain came in and helped out when 543 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: they needed him. They shut him down last year with 544 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: a concussion mid season. Then there's Jedrick Wilson and Jameis Winston. Look, 545 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: we'd all love to have Jamis back. I don't think 546 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: it's going to happen. I would like to see Jamis 547 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: go somewhere and at least get a chance to start. 548 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 1: I don't know that that is going to be in Cleveland. 549 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: It was fun while it lasted, and I wish Jamis 550 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: well I told him in person in New Orleans a 551 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. 552 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 2: Give me that. 553 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 1: I could not be happier for his last couple of months, 554 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: just how he has taken America by storm and really 555 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: set himself up whenever he decides to stop playing football 556 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: for the rest of his post football life. 557 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 3: He should have been Fox. Should have had him at 558 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 3: the combine last week. Missed opportunity. 559 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 2: I should have. 560 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 3: Kept that ball roll. And because Super Bowl Week was 561 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 3: amazing content. 562 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: I agree, and I love the guy and thank you 563 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: Jamis for everything it did for the Jim. Last year, 564 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 1: there weren't many happy, joyous, like fun, punch your buddy 565 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: on the shoulder kind of, you know, hug your neighbor moments. 566 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: This year, Jamis gave us a bunch of those. Jedrick 567 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 1: Wills give you with me. I'd be surprised if you were, 568 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: I would. 569 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 2: I would be too. 570 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 3: I know that the Browns have a need at that 571 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 3: tackle position, but I just I don't. It definitely looks 572 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 3: like it's trending towards Will's hitting free agency. 573 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's that's what it looks like. Winston Reid, 574 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: Blake Whitehart I mentioned tender love Winston Reed. Another good 575 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 1: Andrew Berry find last year at a weaber restricted free agency. 576 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 1: Anthony Bell good story, Sure if you want to bring 577 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: it back. James Houston was a late in the season 578 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:52,959 Speaker 1: acquisition off Detroit's practice squad. Bailey's Appy enjoyed getting to 579 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 1: know him. I think Bailey's going to go somewhere and 580 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 1: try to battle for at least a chance to be 581 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 1: a number two. Who knows, maybe surprise somebody in train 582 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 1: to camp, although odds are stacked against him. But I 583 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: like Bailey Zappi a lot. 584 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 3: Do we have some news before we sign off? We 585 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 3: have any news from the organization? Yes, been a quiet week, 586 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 3: but maybe maybe there's a little something out there. 587 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 1: Okay, so you are there at the Cross Country Mortgage campus. 588 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: By the time this hits, there should be news that 589 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: rout of applause, the longest tenured Brown, Joel Buttonio, is 590 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: not going to retire, and that Joel Patonio is coming back. 591 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: It's not over. He ain't leaving. Joel Betonio Gibbe. I 592 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: think everyone's happy for this. Joel Bottonio is coming back. 593 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 3: Seven time Pro bowler, two time first team All Pro, 594 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 3: three times second team All Pro. We'll be back for 595 00:31:55,120 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 3: season number twelve. Let's go. I love it. I'm happy 596 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 3: he's coming back. Joe Thomas told us the longer that 597 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 3: this kind of dragged out here. He felt like Joel 598 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 3: would eventually becoming ear and come back for a year 599 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 3: number twelve, And that is indeed the case and something 600 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 3: to remember. Joel Botonio second round pick pick number thirty 601 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 3: five in the twenty fourteen NFL Draft out of Nevada. 602 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe Zach Martin was in that draft, right, 603 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: call this Amy Live googling here, Zach Martin. 604 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 2: There you go, drafted. 605 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 1: And so on the day in which Zach Martin holds 606 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 1: his Yeah, twenty fourteen, on the day in which Zach 607 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 1: Martin holds his retirement, zoom if you will with Cowboys 608 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: beat Writers there in Dallas is the day that we 609 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: find out that Joel Buttonio is coming back. Aaron Donald 610 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 1: retired last year. Same draft class. So that was a 611 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 1: pretty darn good draft class. I mean, just among those 612 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 1: three in the interior of the line, I think it's 613 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 1: good news for the Browns on a number of levels. 614 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,719 Speaker 1: Number one, he could still play. I think once they 615 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 1: figured out whatever was ailing the offensive line. The first 616 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 1: six weeks of the season, we saw Joel Buttonio return 617 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 1: to form absolutely and I think I think that speaks 618 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: well for the prospects of him playing well next season. 619 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 1: And as we sit here, by the way, it's official, 620 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 1: Joel Patonio is coming back for a twelfth season. Give 621 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 1: a The Browns just announced it on the twitters. 622 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 2: We broke it before let's go. We're one to know. 623 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 2: I don't know. 624 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 1: Hey, no, seriously, and thanks for remind I me. We 625 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 1: were going to talk about it before we started. We're 626 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 1: laying out the calendar here, guys again. The tenth next Monday, 627 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 1: free agency window opens. The twelfth is when deals could 628 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 1: be done. By the time we record this podcast next 629 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: we very well may know who the Browns veteran quarterback 630 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: is because they've got to sign or acquire a veteran quarterback. 631 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 1: Who will that be? We could have listed names, we 632 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 1: could have thrown out. Joe Flacco. That's what Adam Schefter 633 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 1: mentioned on his pod this week. I mean, I wouldn't mind, 634 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,439 Speaker 1: right if you draft a rookie. You tell Joe it's 635 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 1: not gonna be like Kirk Cousins from a year ago 636 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 1: in to Atlanta, where they can catch him by surprise 637 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,319 Speaker 1: when they draft a quarterback in the top ten. Right, 638 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 1: it wouldn't be like that. You'd have full disclosure and 639 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 1: you tell Joe it is what it is. He'd still 640 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:35,400 Speaker 1: be the mayor and I wouldn't mind it. 641 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 2: Now. 642 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,839 Speaker 1: I don't know that for certain. It's just a name 643 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,439 Speaker 1: schefter through out there. But my point being a week 644 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 1: from now we could know who that Brown's veteran QB is. 645 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 3: Schefter threw it out there, which means someone said it, 646 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 3: so he doesn't just throw things out there. 647 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 2: That's it. That is. 648 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 1: I appreciate you, Bubba ben Trone. Thanks for giving me 649 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,319 Speaker 1: the idea on this hoodie. I saw Bubble wearing one 650 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 1: during the season. I like that. 651 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 2: I'm gonna get one of them too. 652 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening and subscribing and telling your friends about this, 653 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:11,800 Speaker 1: which is the best podcast available. 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