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Speaker 1: Mm HM. Welcome to Episode three two. Charles Kelly from

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Speaker 1: Lady A on the untold origin story of the band,

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Speaker 1: their name change, the song He's Proud of Stuff on

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Speaker 1: their new album were really good interview. But before we

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Speaker 1: get into it, let's check out my top five favorite

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Speaker 1: releases out this week. Number five, Maddie and Tay have

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Speaker 1: a new song called Madness, Come On in those Stars,

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Speaker 1: my Phone crash and Dad Things, every mad goes and

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Speaker 1: sing I'll reach say does baby loves Man Name? At

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Speaker 1: number four, Morgan Evans has a new EP called The

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Speaker 1: Country and the Coast Side a. Here's a new song

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Speaker 1: called American Dream Truck found Little went from Little Tense

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Speaker 1: Preez here first feet in the paint was been in

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Speaker 1: was American Dream True. At number three, Shy Carter has

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Speaker 1: really good episode with Shi Carter from a couple months ago. Huh,

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Speaker 1: And here was a new song called Wild and He's

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Speaker 1: trying to take My second Get got well. John Mayer

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Speaker 1: has put out a ballad version of a song last

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Speaker 1: Train Home, and here's that Maybe You'll last stream, Maybe

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Speaker 1: You're the Last Trip and at number one. Tierra has

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Speaker 1: so father and you like come to say it out

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Speaker 1: You can see some quick albums that are out ed.

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Speaker 1: Shearon has a new album, Let's See LV Shane has

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Speaker 1: But so Mitchell Tinpenny has a new album It's a

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Speaker 1: as well. All right, onto a really great interview with

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Speaker 1: Charles Kelly from Lady A. With Charles Kelly of Lady A,

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Speaker 1: how's it going, ma, I'm good. You know what. I

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Speaker 1: was talking to the guys here before you came in,

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Speaker 1: and they were like, is it all three of them?

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Speaker 1: Is it just Charles? I was like, it's just Charles,

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Speaker 1: And I like it when it's only one person because

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Speaker 1: it's difficult to interview a group whenever there are multiple

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Speaker 1: voices in the group. If it's Zack Brown Band. It's

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Speaker 1: and even then it's hard to get into talk. I'll

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Speaker 1: be honest. One of the harder interviews that I like,

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I like Zack off the air, but kill

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Speaker 1: your guy like him, but he's really a hard interview.

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Speaker 1: And there there are the people that I just don't

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Speaker 1: like interviewing because we're tough interview. You're not one of them.

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Speaker 1: I sometimes have a word vomit, which is which I've

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Speaker 1: had several times on your show. But I would much

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Speaker 1: rather have word vomit you and Luke Yeah, I don't

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Speaker 1: have to worry about No, definitely not Luke. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: about that one interview where I meant Mariah Carey and

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Speaker 1: I kept saying carry Underwood, and I meant that Mariah

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Speaker 1: Mariah Carey, and it was like, dude, carry Underwood. I'm like, dude,

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Speaker 1: Carry Underwood has like probably the strongest female voice in

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Speaker 1: our genre, which you all haven't been, like you were

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Speaker 1: It's not even just raining in, it's hearing a story

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Speaker 1: as told by a single person. And singular stories are

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Speaker 1: so important to me. And and I've got a chance

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Speaker 1: away from the industry. Um, but when it comes to

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Speaker 1: It would be really interesting too, because we've we've even learned,

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Speaker 1: And you know what I mean, and we're because we're

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Speaker 1: I want to go to start this. It's interesting that

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Speaker 1: I don't program music. I really don't do. I just

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Speaker 1: But at times they'll bring in and they'll go, hey,

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Speaker 1: before it's been like Brett young and I'm like, hold

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Speaker 1: I think that at times because of your success so early,

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Speaker 1: people go, you know what, they're kind of an older group. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: But I remember Hillary being in this meeting with with

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Speaker 1: this stuff. And it was like, I remember when we

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Speaker 1: And we're not quite there, but it's like we could

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Speaker 1: I still feel like I'm talking in my head. But um,

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00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:38,080
Speaker 1: we'll take them off and then I'll tell you before

427
00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:47,960
Speaker 1: we play some clips there. Yea, So what we're talking about.

428
00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:49,960
Speaker 1: I was talking about the fact that you guys have

429
00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:54,320
Speaker 1: two vocal outfits. So when we went on our first

430
00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:58,160
Speaker 1: radio tour, it was really funny. He's become a dear,

431
00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,800
Speaker 1: dear friend now. But Nate Deaton uh A, is up

432
00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,600
Speaker 1: in San Jose and he was like, I just I

433
00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:06,560
Speaker 1: just don't know if people are gonna get two different

434
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,119
Speaker 1: lead singers. He was like, y'all have to identify like

435
00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,240
Speaker 1: people want to identify with a singer. And I remember

436
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,240
Speaker 1: being like, Nate, you know, I hear you, but I

437
00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,320
Speaker 1: don't agree. I was like, what about what Matt, what

438
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,240
Speaker 1: about the Eagles? I said that, I mean those are

439
00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 1: they all had two, three very distinct singers and it worked.

440
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:24,840
Speaker 1: And I was like, you know, in fact that there

441
00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,040
Speaker 1: hadn't been much of that in uh you know, I

442
00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:28,960
Speaker 1: don't even I was like, what about a little bit town?

443
00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,679
Speaker 1: You know, they have to really well really four I

444
00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,480
Speaker 1: mean think about even the songs that that like Philip

445
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:39,360
Speaker 1: sings on and and Kimberly and so, you know, I

446
00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,959
Speaker 1: was like, don't let this be like some excuse not

447
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,200
Speaker 1: to play our music. But I will say early on,

448
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 1: probably just because I was such an alpha, it kind

449
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,240
Speaker 1: of looked like maybe I was going to be more

450
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,359
Speaker 1: of the lead singer. But the songs, it was just

451
00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. As as the songs that really started

452
00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:00,560
Speaker 1: coming to a head, I think as Lurie got her

453
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,879
Speaker 1: confidence too, because who had never really performed live that much,

454
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,159
Speaker 1: and so she was always kind of a little shy,

455
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 1: and you could just slowly start to see her confidence

456
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,719
Speaker 1: in her book start to become, you know, more of

457
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,640
Speaker 1: a giant factor in the face of the group, especially

458
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 1: in the second record and you got Needs You Now

459
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 1: and American Honey. But I don't know, I just think

460
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 1: it just it was always the way we looked at it.

461
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,000
Speaker 1: I mean, we always from our very first record wanted

462
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 1: it to be a very balanced thing, and um, and

463
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:32,280
Speaker 1: then finally, I don't know, if you know, in the

464
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,680
Speaker 1: new record, Dave's got his first lead vocal and so

465
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,480
Speaker 1: but I don't know, I mean, it's always been a

466
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:44,639
Speaker 1: pretty equal thing, you know, is it deliberately equal? It is?

467
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,240
Speaker 1: I mean, we write so much music. I mean, it's

468
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,679
Speaker 1: not like we're sitting there going you got four songs,

469
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 1: I got four the three script where people are arguing

470
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:55,879
Speaker 1: about but we want to make We want to make it.

471
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 1: It's what makes us us, you know. And um, I

472
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 1: think it naturally has always been something we've always wanted

473
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 1: to do. And we're we're giant fans of each other's voice.

474
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,880
Speaker 1: I've said it, This is not blowing smoke. I really

475
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:12,120
Speaker 1: truly think Hillary doesn't have as big of a range

476
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,159
Speaker 1: as some other singers, like she can't sing up in

477
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 1: the stratosphere in really though, But in her range, I

478
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,119
Speaker 1: think she's unbeatle. I think she's got one of the

479
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,880
Speaker 1: best tone in our genre in her spot of anybody.

480
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 1: I really truly believe that. And um, we're just really

481
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 1: big fans of each other's voices and we have a

482
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 1: lot of respect for for that. And I don't know,

483
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 1: as we reflect back for a second on the origin

484
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 1: of the band. Whenever you guys name yourself and you

485
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 1: call yourself Lady Annabelle, um, I would assume most people

486
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 1: think that she's Lady Annabella oh yeah, oh yeah, And

487
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,639
Speaker 1: I mean, which is so funny. I mean, obviously with

488
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,360
Speaker 1: all that has gone on with their name. I mean

489
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 1: it was the most silly, innocent way of naming a band. Literally,

490
00:23:56,359 --> 00:24:00,080
Speaker 1: we're taking these pictures from the antebellem Holmes coming with

491
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 1: a name. We were about to call ourselves Spring Springdale

492
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 1: or something. We didn't know. We were just like all

493
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,479
Speaker 1: these names. Did you guys name yourself though, or did

494
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,120
Speaker 1: someone say that we did? We did? When we're looking

495
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 1: through these pictures, like, that's a beautiful Annabelle, I'm home

496
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,479
Speaker 1: right there. I was like an about it sounds southern.

497
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 1: It just sounds graceful. It sounds like muscle shoals or something,

498
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 1: you know. I pictured like I pictured like Savannah and

499
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 1: this thing. I don't know why I said lady, but

500
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,719
Speaker 1: I guess I was thinking like Scarlett or hair. I mean,

501
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,199
Speaker 1: it's so funny if I could go back to what

502
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 1: made because I'll I came up with that name, and

503
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 1: I remember like saying and I said it today and

504
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 1: he goes, that sounds cool, And I was like, people

505
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 1: are just gonna be intrigued. At the time, all you

506
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 1: wanted were people to go what what's what's Lady Annabelle?

507
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 1: And I was like, man, you know there's all these

508
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 1: that are like cool bands, like Jane's Addiction and all

509
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 1: thea's like like it gives it a little bit of

510
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 1: mysterious vibe and um, and I was like, maybe there's

511
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 1: this like counted lady that used to live there, this

512
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,719
Speaker 1: thing I don't know laying about and it's just sounds southern.

513
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: And and then I didn't really think about it. And

514
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 1: when we started going on tour, it's like, oh, so

515
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 1: she's the lead singer. I was like, I was like,

516
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 1: I'm an idiot, Like I mean, if I could go back,

517
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,880
Speaker 1: I mean, especially when we were going through this whole

518
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:15,479
Speaker 1: thing with her name change. I can't tell you how

519
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 1: many nights I would like stay up going and I

520
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: would come up with names in my head, like why

521
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:24,679
Speaker 1: didn't I call myself, you know, freaking green Grass. Then

522
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: a screen because it was like it was so and

523
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 1: how do you how do you how how do you?

524
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: How can you convince people that it was just like

525
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: it just came out of the thin blue her. I

526
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 1: don't know why it just did. It just came out

527
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 1: and it sounded southern. And I remember having so many

528
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: people going. I won't name the artis, but I remember

529
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 1: having like two or three artists like y'all think you

530
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: all would be as successful without such a cool name,

531
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And it was like for

532
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 1: them it just felt cool. It just felt us. I

533
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: don't know. I can remember I was working and I

534
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: was still doing pop and hip hop in Austin, and

535
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,160
Speaker 1: you guys were doing a radio tour because you'd bring

536
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: by the little pictures signed and his very early on,

537
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: and I was like, lady Anna Belle on, what the

538
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: heck is he even is that? But I was curious

539
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: enough to go and check it out, I know, and

540
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,479
Speaker 1: you know, and I don't think we thought past that.

541
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: We we didn't never thought past like what's gonna make

542
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 1: someone just push the click on my Space and say

543
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: what let me hear it? And I don't know even

544
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: thought it's kind of cool that would be like oh,

545
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: and then a guy singing, I don't know what? Maybe

546
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 1: why when you guys going you play in the open

547
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 1: for your brother and it's the three of you. Were

548
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: you doing what you and Dave did where you were

549
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 1: just playing under your name or did you even have

550
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: a name or did you have that name? But we

551
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 1: had that we have that name by then we first

552
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 1: before our first gig. I mean we initially started I

553
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: think are or my Space. It might have been under

554
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: Springdale or something like that. I think it was a

555
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 1: road called Springdale. And I remember like telling that to

556
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 1: somebody's or like that sounds cheesy and you know, and

557
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:53,719
Speaker 1: we're like, oh, it sounds a little bit too much

558
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: like Sugarland too, you know, I mean, we're just the

559
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: name is It's so hard to come with the name

560
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 1: because everything, I mean, the Beatles goals, you know, all

561
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: the mascots are basically taken. Yeah, and uh and so

562
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: you know, we didn't want to be like two dudes

563
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 1: in a chick or Hillary Dave, you know, Charles Band.

564
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: So it was just like, you know, you could just

565
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,919
Speaker 1: come up with this name. But and yeah, it was

566
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 1: just very intrigued to people and it worked. Was it

567
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: a frenzy, a bidding war or you guys just got

568
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: into with one label who believed in you know, it

569
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 1: was it was pretty wild. Um, So Hillary had had

570
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: this development deal on Sony. Unbeknownst to Dave and I,

571
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 1: we didn't know what a development deal meant. I mean

572
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 1: we had just moved to town and uh, and so

573
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: she had had a development deal, I guess, and had

574
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: done like a final showcase for them and Joe Gilani

575
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: they passed. And this was like two or three months

576
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 1: before she met me, or maybe a month before she

577
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 1: met me. And she said it was almost like she

578
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: says all the time, it's like one door closed and

579
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 1: got opened another one. And I think, truly, she'll admit,

580
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: and I'll admit that we brought out the best of

581
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: each other. I needed something. I needed something to make

582
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: me unique and define my sound because I was kind

583
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,439
Speaker 1: of sitting here floating between am I going to be

584
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: like a pop singer and R and B singer, a

585
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: country singer? Because I love it all and I think

586
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: being that's the one problem about being in cover bands,

587
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 1: as you can sit there and be like, blame it

588
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: all on my roots, and then you go, you know,

589
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: all night long, and then you'd be like Marion Maroon five,

590
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: you know, look get a bound and you're just like,

591
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: who am I? I gotta find my sound, and you know,

592
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: having her, I started bringing my register down and getting

593
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: this kind of cool, you know, kind of kind of

594
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: Greg allmond thing going to my voice, and she brought

595
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: that out of me even more. And I think for me,

596
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: I brought out some confidence in her, especially in the

597
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: performance side, to just let loose and to just trust yourself.

598
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: And uh, and also give her a sound, because you know,

599
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: when you listen to some of the songs she was writing,

600
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: it was kind of like, Okay, that's what all the

601
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: girls are doing, you know, like what's going to separate

602
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: you from you know, all the rest of the female

603
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: country artists. And so I think I helped Dave and

604
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: I helped give her this sound too, and and I

605
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: don't know, it just felt like a cool package and

606
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: there wasn't much like that around that time, you know.

607
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: And so yeah, we we do this this showcase it

608
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: at third Lensley and Victoria's Shaw hit invite all these people,

609
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: I know, you know, Uh, Hillary's parents had invited some

610
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: some industry friends, and slowly but surely it just grew.

611
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: And I remember one of the last shows we had

612
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: there at Third and Lendsley, we had pretty much every

613
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: label represented and uh, Paul Worley like just was the

614
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: first when we got done, jumped up and like rushed

615
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: to the stage was like, I want to work with

616
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: you guys, and he was at Warner Brothers and we

617
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: eventually wanted to sign with Capitol Records, and he I

618
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: don't know if this is true, but he said he

619
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: left Warner Brothers specifically so he could work with us,

620
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: and he became just strictly a producer again. And you know,

621
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: did our first our first four records, the first record

622
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: when you guys go in and you start to cut

623
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: songs as a new group, did they have a lot

624
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: of the songs laid out for you? How much of you?

625
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. It was that. I think that was

626
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: the coolest thing. We had a pretty a pretty um

627
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: alpha manager to Gary Boorman, he manages Keith Urban and um,

628
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: you know we're we're with corn caption on now. But

629
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: Gary did it did honestly a great job. I have

630
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: I really do have a lot of respect for for him,

631
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: and he it was kind of like, y'all gotta give

632
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: these guys some artistic freedom, and but they never pushed.

633
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I remember the A and R team was

634
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: a little kind of confused, you know. They wanted to

635
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: kind of dig their heels in a little bit and

636
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: send us some songs and we're like, no, man, I'm

637
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: telling you. And I remember there was a big discussion

638
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: on whether Love Don't Live Here really was a hit

639
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: or just sounded cool because it took a minute and

640
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: a half for the course to come in, and that

641
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 1: was like, wow, that is a long time, especially now.

642
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, and there's two verses. I mean, it's

643
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: like this whole verse and then I go, yeah, boom

644
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: bump on it, and that's another verse, and then a chorus,

645
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: then a verse, than a chorus and outra. So don't

646
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: even have three courses. It's two courses, and so it's

647
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: very left footed and uh. And I remember them being like,

648
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: it's not we just don't know. And I remember us

649
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: maybe I just didn't. I didn't know that I couldn't

650
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: be this way, and I was like, no, this is

651
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: the first thing. Will trust me. This is going to

652
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: be huge. And I think our energy and our confidence

653
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: just exuded. And I'm telling you, I was a more

654
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: confident artist those first three or four records than I

655
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: am now. It's like, once you know, a little failure

656
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: feels like you start second guessing yourself. And that time

657
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: I didn't know what failure felt like and I mean

658
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: I was just like, we're the greatest, We're the greatest

659
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: things that slicepread just trust us, this is going to work.

660
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: Let's go a nothing to lose, I have nothing to like.

661
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: And I felt the same way about the only part

662
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: of my career and asked me nothing to So it

663
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: was balls out, Let's go taking chances, big risk, and

664
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: that's the truth. I mean it really there's something about that,

665
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: that innocence that there's just a beautiful there's a beautiful

666
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: concept and just the not knowing, I mean even being

667
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: in that thing. I didn't know who Joe Glani or

668
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: Mike Dungan was, or Paul Worthy and Hillary before that

669
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: show at Thorn, Lindsay was like so nervous. It's like,

670
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: well did you guys, Oh, there's just all these people.

671
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't know who those people are. And so,

672
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: you know, it was just such an interesting thing that

673
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: now you know, I will say, after having you know,

674
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: certain singles flop that you thought were gonna be great,

675
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: it was like, you know, once that you really pushed

676
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: hard for that don't work, then you start going, maybe

677
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm talking about, And that's when

678
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: you get you know, maybe it's a healthy thing. You

679
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,959
Speaker 1: know again, I mean it's like anything you just kind

680
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: of get a little bit of that second guessing going

681
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: through your life. What was the first single you guys

682
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: put out was it Love, Don't Love, Don't Live Here?

683
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: And then we put out looking for a Good Time,

684
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: which I will I will be honest, we were hesitant

685
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: about that. I think they were just really wanting to

686
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: push this youthful, fun thing. But like we listened to

687
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: that song now and Hillary especially is like, it's so

688
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: not us, Like, you know, it's like talking about like

689
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: a one night stand. I mean, I'm not gonna say,

690
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: like listen, I'm i mean, I've, I've I'm the wildest

691
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: of the group, but like Hillary Scott singing it about

692
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: having a one night stand is not Hillary Scott at all.

693
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: And and it didn't do that well. I think it

694
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: went to light number eleven or something. And then finally

695
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: it was like, let's get back to the great songs

696
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: off this record, and we put out run to You,

697
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: and that was our first number one, So you've got

698
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: run to You hits. The number one is needs You

699
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: Now after run to You, which is the fourth single,

700
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: so you at your first project. A lot of first projects.

701
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: The first single off the second record was the first

702
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: single off the second record, So I'm talking to Dave.

703
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: That song almost didn't even make that record, almost record

704
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: and had had to be heard back like an old

705
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: voice memoir. So so this is by that time, Okay,

706
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: So first record, we do this, and I believe we

707
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: wrote all songs off the first record. Maybe there was

708
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: one that was outside, but I think we had record

709
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: did it before we even like, I think Victoria Shaw

710
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: had written it, and I remember we heard and we're like, oh,

711
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: we want to sing that. But we didn't cut any

712
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: outside like pitches from the label at that time. And

713
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: by the second record, we were definitely feeling that like, okay,

714
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 1: this is this is big. And so we've written all

715
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: these songs and we go into the song meeting and

716
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,439
Speaker 1: we're just just, you know, trying to help narrow down

717
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: the songs because you get very much in your head.

718
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: You you don't know what's good or bad by that time.

719
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 1: If you've written sixty songs, it's like you always love

720
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,879
Speaker 1: the newest thing you've written. And we're in there and uh,

721
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: we're playing all these songs and and I don't know

722
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 1: what made me open it up, but I was like, oh, yeah,

723
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: there's one I'm missing. There was something we wrote with

724
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: Josh here, but it's a crappy little work tape, but

725
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: I will say the verses kind of cool. And I

726
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 1: played it and everybody's like, it's hard to hear. I mean,

727
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,479
Speaker 1: it's like something you recorded on your phone. We didn't

728
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 1: have the harmonies worked out yet. In Autumn House and

729
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: Melissa spilman Um both were like, that's cool. Like I

730
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: don't know what it is, but it's cool. Just try it.

731
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: And so our process at this time, Paul Worthy's process

732
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: was to go into a rehearsal space before we went

733
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 1: in the studio and just work up songs and work

734
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: them up and see what works. And so I think

735
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: we took let's say twenty songs and then we were

736
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 1: able to narrow it down. And I remember like when

737
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: we started working on Needs You Now, and all these

738
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: different hooks started coming together, we were like, this is cool.

739
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: This will be our favorite song off the record that

740
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: won't be a single. You know how those are. It's

741
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: like all my favorite records have like songs that never

742
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 1: were singles, which are the greatest songs and um, I

743
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: feel like a lot of our records have been there.

744
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, it's like everyone's so afraid of

745
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: putting out the ballot, you know, and it's like those

746
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: are my favorites. But yeah, so we we end up

747
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 1: cutting it and I think we cut we cut. We

748
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: cut them in batches, um, and it was like we

749
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: cut like six songs, and we were out on the

750
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: road and our label was like, you know, we had

751
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 1: had this like playing for them to come over and

752
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: listening like the first batch of songs, but we had

753
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: ran only had like some show we needed to go do,

754
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: and so we were like, well, y'all just go listen

755
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 1: and just let us know what what they think. And

756
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: and we were like, they're gonna want our kind of

757
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: law for a single, fun tempo duet out of gate

758
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: big old hit and are I can't remember who Texas.

759
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: I think it was like publicists, um, and she was like,

760
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: they're losing their mind over needs you now. They're like

761
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 1: we had to play it like multiple times and we're like,

762
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: no kidding, needs you now? Wow? How about that? And

763
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: you know it ended up changing our lives. Yeah, when

764
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: did you realize that rocket ship was truly a rocket

765
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: ship and different than we'll say the race car that

766
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: the last record away. I don't know. I mean, obviously,

767
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: there's so many different times. It's it's hard to remember.

768
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,720
Speaker 1: We were so busy and I didn't know any different.

769
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: I didn't know any different. It was like, oh, this

770
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: is this is what happens. But I do remember Rundy

771
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 1: was a grind to get it up the charts. It

772
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: almost died it like thirty and Jimmy Harnen, who were

773
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,879
Speaker 1: with now, was at Capital Um and I think that's

774
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 1: why I wanted to go back and work with Jimmy

775
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: Hardens so much, because I could, like I would be

776
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: out on the golf course with him and he was

777
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 1: on the phone the whole time. I was like, he's

778
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: not very fun to play golf with, but that's who

779
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: I want on my side. Um and he he really,

780
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: I believe, single handedly pushed run to You through to

781
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: get it hurt because songs like that. I me think

782
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: of some songs like too, like like a girl Crush

783
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: needed to just be heard to get through those and

784
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: it really doesn't. Songs people don't realize don't really get

785
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: hurt until their top twenty, not really not enough to

786
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: soak into the ether of people's minds, and so it

787
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: broke thirty, got a twenty, almost died broke twenty, and

788
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,280
Speaker 1: once it got up it kind of finally took off.

789
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: But Kneed You Now was so easy. It was like

790
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: every station was like, we're in, we love it, can't

791
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: stop playing it, and it just blew and I remember

792
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: being like, this is different and we had never had

793
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: a song just like sell like this UM, and it

794
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: just felt different. Well when did people start to go, hey,

795
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna actually tried this a hot ac or we're

796
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: gonna see it's crossing over to pop? That was I

797
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: believe I can't remember his name, but I believe the

798
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: Nashville pop station was the first one to do it.

799
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 1: UM if I'm not mistaken, And it's so funny if

800
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: you listen. We had the cup we had to do.

801
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 1: There was like a couple of stations that wouldn't play

802
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: the slide guitar because they thought it was too country,

803
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: and we were like, I think they thought it was

804
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: a steel guitar, and it was like I remember being like,

805
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: screw them, they don't play it. And then it was

806
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: like no, this is a big song. So we changed

807
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: the the so he goes dude the um where I

808
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: saw if you notice on the on the pop version,

809
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 1: it's just like kind of more of like just a

810
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: eighties you know, kind of kind of riffy guitar apart.

811
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 1: But I remember, you know, once it started getting played

812
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 1: over there and really take it off, you know, it

813
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: just it just took on a different life. I mean,

814
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: obviously they're the Grammys. We've we got to perform it

815
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: on the Grammys. And if I'm not mistaken, they had

816
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: made a mistake. They thought Needs You Now had already

817
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: gone number one or something. I think they felt they

818
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: were getting run to You and Needs You Now mixed up,

819
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: and they let us because because oh that's what it was.

820
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: They felt Needs You Now was what we were nominated for.

821
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 1: We were actually nominated for Run to You in the

822
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 1: Country category in the country category, And if I'm not mistaken,

823
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: they didn't realize. But but it was too late and

824
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: then that the song was doing what it was doing,

825
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: and Gary was like, no, we're gonna do need You Now,

826
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: And so we do Need You Now on the Grammys,

827
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: and I think it had just gone like around top

828
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 1: ten or something, maybe number one, maybe top ten country

829
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: country got it, and once we performed it on the Grammys,

830
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: it took off and took on a whole another life.

831
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: And that's when to all the other pop stations that

832
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: were kind of you know, it just kind of blew up.

833
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: Were you so busy that you didn' actually notice how

834
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: famous you were getting? Oh? Yes, I still to this

835
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 1: day being a being a guy in a group. I mean,

836
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: there's such a beautiful annemity to it. It's like I've

837
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: always thought it was the most beautiful thing. Mean, yes

838
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 1: I'm tall walking through the airport, but people are still like,

839
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: I recognize you, but I still don't really know. Are

840
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: you from a little big town or you what? What

841
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: are you famous? Are your baseball player or something? And

842
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: there's just a beautiful an anemity to it. Um. You know,

843
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 1: you get to go kind of be this freaking rock

844
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: star in front of all these people and then literally

845
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: go off and I could go to the Applebee's after

846
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: the show and maybe one person would recognize me, which

847
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: is great. And I've always thought that's the beautiful thing

848
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: about being in a group, especially a country group. Um.

849
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: But it was definitely different. I don't know. I think

850
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: the three of us like humbled each other so much.

851
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: We never like felt famous, and so each of us

852
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 1: anytime like someone maybe try to like do something that

853
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,439
Speaker 1: was a little too famous or put like sunglasses onto

854
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: the airport, we like, what are you doing? Stop doing that.

855
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: In a few minutes, I want to talk about some

856
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 1: songs that you wrote that other artists cut. There were

857
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: massive songs. Put your headphones on for just second. I

858
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: want to play some stuff from the new record. Am

859
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: I rambling? Horrible? You're great at this? Okay, this is

860
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: what this is? All right? Good? I just feel like

861
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: I ramble. That's good. I'm not very good at like

862
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: succinct answers. That's why this is perfect for you. This

863
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 1: is the only this is the only place you should

864
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: talk for now on in this room with me, and

865
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: we'll just service it to everybody else. Uh, talk of

866
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 1: this town. It's you three, Jordan Reynolds. I know if

867
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: I'm working with Dan and Shay and the Nicole Galleon,

868
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:35,959
Speaker 1: who I know pretty well as well. When there are

869
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: five of you in a room, those two powerhouses there.

870
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: I was about say to the best song as we have,

871
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: and I ask you this question. Honestly, when there are

872
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: five of you in a room, are you going all right?

873
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 1: We have five great songwriters here, are you going all right?

874
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: This song? Is each of us like, no, you're not

875
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: a no, no, not at all, Because I know some

876
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 1: folks who don't want to write with more than three

877
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: people because they're like, if this song does hit, I

878
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: don't want to split the money this much. I mean

879
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 1: maybe you know, if anybody has that would have that concern,

880
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 1: it should be a songwriter. I mean for us, you know,

881
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: I've always said it's you know, we're which is why

882
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 1: we cut a lot of outside songs. I mean, we

883
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: make our money on the road. You know, we're we're

884
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: selling T shirts and stuff. These songwriters are the ones

885
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: that you know or sometimes in my opinion, getting very

886
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: screwed with what's going on, you know, with with streaming

887
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: and streaming and um and so if anything. You know,

888
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 1: these are two powerhouses. They don't you know, they could

889
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: just the three of them? Are the two of them

890
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: could just write a song and send it to us

891
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: and if we love it, we'll probably cut it. We're

892
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: we don't have any ego with that. But I will

893
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: say when the three. When Dave and Hillary and I

894
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: can get together in a group with another writer, it

895
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: just becomes our sound war and we know where our

896
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: vocal parts need to go. You know, there's times that

897
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: obviously we've cut outside songs, but you know, and there's

898
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: been some that have been sent that I was like,

899
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: it just didn't fit our voice, was like damn. But

900
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: when you were in a room with with two writers

901
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: like that, you kind of go into it going, there's

902
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: no way we're gonna write a bad song. It would

903
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: be impossible to write a bad song. Now, it doesn't

904
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: mean there's not times we'll go in and write songs

905
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: that just barely don't make the record. I mean there's

906
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: and I and and sometimes I get such like do

907
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:11,439
Speaker 1: we make the right choice? You know, there's so many

908
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: songs for every artist. I guarantee you Luke, Dan and

909
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: Shay as much as they right have, you know, hundreds

910
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: of hits out there just that you know we'll never

911
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: see the light of day, which is kind of a shame,

912
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 1: but but you know you're gonna go into the room

913
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:28,760
Speaker 1: and get something good with these two. Let me play

914
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: and have a few tracks. I wanted to talk about specifically,

915
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: here's that I talk to this town exactly. I don't

916
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: want to be I'm gonna go to the second song

917
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 1: and not that we're gonna do this all chronological. But

918
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: I was my friends with Ryan Heard, who was one

919
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 1: of the writers with you on this, on this next time.

920
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: I just saw this morning. I was telling you right

921
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 1: when I walked in here we were he was we're

922
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: at our little I was working out and he was

923
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: hitting golf balls. He uh had also posted which is

924
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: why I looked this up. He had posted, Hey, thanks

925
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: for letting me be a part of writing a little

926
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: bit of this record. And it's you know this song

927
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: here what a song can do. And it was you

928
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: Ryan Heard, Sam Ls, Laura Belts, let me play this

929
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: and a question you sn'll make it change? Sing just

930
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: cool easy. You know you talk about being deliberately equal

931
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: when you're singing. What about the songwriting process? And you know,

932
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: because you have uh this the single now which Hillary wrote,

933
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: you were not on that writing team. Are you guys

934
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: deliberate about how many songs get on because it's hard,

935
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: it's hard to be by. That's when you write no

936
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: no doubt. Um. You know there was a time By

937
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: the way, what a Song Can Do probably is my

938
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: favorite song I've been a part of writing and four

939
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: or five years. Why that specifically it is the sound

940
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: of it is so quintessential lady a UM. To me,

941
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: it's got the back and forth with Hillary, but it's

942
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: got that kind of a little bit of petty Tom

943
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 1: petty Southern. You know. It just reminds me of like,

944
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: what if I never get over you need you now.

945
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: It's in the same vein of all those little things

946
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,959
Speaker 1: that I feel like when we're at our best, that's

947
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: the sound of our band. But and I love Ryan

948
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: heard he does that so well. I told him. I

949
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: was like, we could like that little writing group right

950
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: there along with David Hillary, we could write an entire

951
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: record together, you know, especially Sprinkling, like Jordan Reynolds and

952
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: Nicole Galley, and it's like we all love the same

953
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: types of sounds and music. Um. But this record in particular,

954
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: you know, it was written during the pandemic and I

955
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: I needed something to take my mind off everything, and

956
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 1: I wrote almost every day and so it naturally was

957
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 1: just that thing of like with this record. I mean,

958
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 1: there were records in the past. I will say maybe

959
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: around like the fourth or fifth record where you can

960
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: tell like you're like, man, David, Hillary not into this

961
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 1: song because they're not on it, or they just are

962
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: they really listening to it. We're so at this point now,

963
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: we're like, we're so in a weird way. I hate

964
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 1: to say that, but we are like very kind of

965
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 1: eagle lists egolists when it comes to the spand right now,

966
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: we just want to stay relevant and make great music.

967
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: And and and I mean, the first time I heard

968
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: the funny thing is is like Hillary didn't write much

969
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: at all this past year. I wrote an insane amount.

970
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: Dave wrote a pretty solid amount, and Hillary didn't write

971
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 1: that much. But whence she wrote, she is like when

972
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: she wrote, she wrote like some of the best songs

973
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: she's ever written. Worship What I Hate is probably the

974
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,839
Speaker 1: most powerful song off the record. Anybody that gets the record,

975
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: I'm not you know. She wrote it with Dave, Um,

976
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 1: Natalie Himby and um Amy Wash Amy wash writes a

977
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: lot with Ed Shearing, And I remember hearing that and

978
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: being like, if I was in the room and you

979
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: threw out a title worship what I Hate, I would

980
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: have been like, we're not writing that. That's too heavy,

981
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: and so we've kind of learned to probably saying like

982
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 1: a lady. I was like, like a lady. We're named

983
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:40,439
Speaker 1: lady a like a lady, which is kind of what's

984
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: cool about it. I mean, like it's a little too

985
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: feminine for us. We can't do that, man. I mean,

986
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: we've got two guys in this group, and so we've

987
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 1: learned that sometimes it's also nice and it gets us

988
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: out of our own way, because when I get in

989
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: the writing room, I'm I'm pretty opinionated, and I can't

990
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 1: help myself, but really kind of insert uh in a

991
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 1: big way, uh my opinions, and you know, so we've

992
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 1: learned too that it's nice to step away. But we

993
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: are at our best I think when the three were

994
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 1: start in the righting room together. But but naturally this record.

995
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:11,959
Speaker 1: The reason I have so many is just I wrote

996
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: so much. And what I love about David Hillary two

997
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 1: is like I mean, when they first heard what a

998
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: song could do, they're like, that's first off, that's got

999
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: to be a single. At some point they were like,

1000
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: this is one of the best songs. You know, it

1001
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: was our story. You know, that song feels like such

1002
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: our story. So here is you talk about it. I

1003
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: also was going to highlight this. This is worship what

1004
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: I hate? That's the ultra I've heard it before, I know,

1005
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: but played the are you able to actually play play

1006
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: the some of the choruses? Mike, what do you have?

1007
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: I thought you were telling me like, this is a

1008
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 1: song you haven't heard before. I like, no, I know,

1009
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 1: but but but but it's some of the best Charleston lady,

1010
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: but some of the best lyrics. Man, um, you want

1011
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: it from the star it, man, just do it. It's

1012
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: like two in the morning here. But do you like

1013
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: the first first? Of course, I just this what's one

1014
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: of the best really played that much on a podcast?

1015
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 1: There's just music rights issues on Oh got you well?

1016
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:18,479
Speaker 1: I get started from the first verse. Okay, okay, that's okay,

1017
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: that's of course nothing. You want it back? This is great? No,

1018
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: that's great. Okay, Body that I didn't have to play.

1019
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:35,240
Speaker 1: I'm seeing every flog fame, insecurities and you're like trying

1020
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 1: to build a church out of Volma her when it

1021
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 1: really needs grace Hi game side something that's not the

1022
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,359
Speaker 1: one of the best voices in country music rights, not

1023
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: only in this song. What stuck out to me, it's

1024
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:52,399
Speaker 1: not just that she's a great singer, but you can

1025
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 1: also hear her be vulnerable with that voice at times,

1026
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, man, when she's when she's at her best,

1027
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: she like like there was a song on the one

1028
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: before which was the type track, and then there was

1029
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 1: a song on the one before called Hurt, And we

1030
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: always try to find this that one thing that just

1031
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: breaks your heart and it's always everybody's favorite off the

1032
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: record that never becomes a single like that. That was

1033
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: her to me in this song. Was you hear her

1034
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 1: not be super strong vocal, hillary her be a great singer,

1035
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: but also great communicator with her boy exactly you can tell.

1036
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:24,359
Speaker 1: I mean that song is about, you know, what we

1037
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: were all doing, especially during a pandemic. Just everyone's just

1038
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: sitting there doing these unhealthy things, drinking too much. Lord knows.

1039
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:33,760
Speaker 1: I was uh looking at our phones all the time,

1040
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 1: comparing ourselves to others, and and it was like, you know,

1041
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 1: I worship what I hate, Like I'm this is like

1042
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 1: my idol. Now, this phone is my idol. This this

1043
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: is you know. And it was like when I heard it,

1044
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 1: I was floored. I was just blown away and I

1045
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: and I literally texted David Hillary. I was like, I'm

1046
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 1: so glad I wasn't there that day. I think I

1047
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 1: was like, I was golfing. I was like, guys, I

1048
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: got like one of I think I was probably golf

1049
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 1: with Darius. It was like when Darius wants to golf,

1050
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: I always say yes and um how And I was like, man,

1051
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: I just I've been writing a lot of y'all just

1052
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: go and do this. And I just was like, gosh,

1053
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 1: that's for me. I'll ask you about one more song.

1054
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: And mostly it's not so much about this song, but

1055
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 1: there's a song friends Don't Let Friends, which where was

1056
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: that playing this? Mike? Why has this been played recently?

1057
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 1: We did it on New Music Nice we did Yeah,

1058
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: that's what it is, Okay, okay. So we were talking

1059
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: about this song and it's you Carly t R Darius,

1060
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: and it just reminded me of the awkward when you

1061
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 1: have to ask somebody or you asked someone to do

1062
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: a project or song with that. Do you ever asked

1063
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,839
Speaker 1: somebody and they say no, yeah, oh yeah, you ever,

1064
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: I'm assuming you it's a it's a given take, or

1065
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: I'm yeah yeah, and we've been asked. I mean honestly, Like,

1066
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I've asked several artists and they were just like, man,

1067
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 1: I mean literally like I've been on you know most

1068
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: most of the time. It's like I'm on so many

1069
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 1: And the truth is it is I mean, think of

1070
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: all these artists, I mean, how many other projects there on.

1071
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: And there was a couple that that you know, I

1072
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: was like, I get it, like you know, and you're like,

1073
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: they're like, man, I got a single about it, come

1074
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 1: out with this part. You know, You're like, I totally understand,

1075
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:13,919
Speaker 1: because the last thing you want to do is put

1076
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: them on a song, and then you don't get single

1077
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: rights for those out there listening, Like just because they're

1078
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: on this song, you know, we'll still have to run

1079
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 1: through like we'll we'll have to for us to put

1080
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: this song out to radio, like we'll have to ask

1081
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: Darius Is people and in Universal and um if it's

1082
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: not a single. Though, at some point, I'm gonna I'm

1083
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna raise a sting because it's one of

1084
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: my favorite songs. I wrote this with tr down at

1085
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: the beach. We were literally watching our kids play and

1086
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 1: we had a little beer in our hand and we

1087
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,439
Speaker 1: were like friends on that friends Rik alone, we gotta

1088
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: write that and so yeah, what a song can do? Uh?

1089
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:51,879
Speaker 1: New record? Fourteen songs, A lot of songs. I mean,

1090
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: you know, considering what people are putting records now, and

1091
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: a lot of people are focusing on four or five

1092
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: song packages. Why was it important to you guys to

1093
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 1: put out such a robust Well, I don't know. I mean,

1094
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: we just had a lot of material. I mean, but

1095
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: you don't know if you notice we'd put out you know,

1096
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: put them out in chapters like seven first and seven later,

1097
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 1: And I don't know if that was the right or

1098
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 1: wrong move. We're trying to just see if people could

1099
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: wrap their heads and consume the music a little bit

1100
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: more that way, because not from a necessarily sales standpoint,

1101
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: Just like for me, I will, I will, be honest,

1102
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 1: it's hard for me to wrap my head around more

1103
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 1: than about eleven songs, and and honestly, moving forward, who

1104
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: knows if we'll ever do as much you know, I mean,

1105
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:31,399
Speaker 1: because I really do. Whatever a year that goes by,

1106
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: it's like this is a singles game, but or at

1107
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: least you know, maybe the thing for me would be beautiful.

1108
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 1: It's like put out like these little four songs, the

1109
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: EPs where you've got like the radio single, then you've

1110
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 1: got some other stuff. But it's just I don't know, Man,

1111
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: always breaks my heart how much music we write that

1112
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 1: we feel really proud of and you just wanted to

1113
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: get out there. And I don't know, now we're getting

1114
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 1: to the spot where it's like we don't have to

1115
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 1: be the biggest thing in the world. I don't you know,

1116
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,399
Speaker 1: we've we've in my favorite acts. Man. I mean, I'll

1117
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:03,720
Speaker 1: be honest with you. You know, I was probably really

1118
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 1: focused on their first three or four records and then

1119
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: kind of like I'm still a big fan of like

1120
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 1: Bruce Springsteen, but I haven't bought one of his new records,

1121
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 1: and and I totally get it. We're if we're not

1122
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,280
Speaker 1: selling or consuming as much as we did in the beginning,

1123
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: where you know, but I do think this record and

1124
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:20,439
Speaker 1: in our last record, Ocean is some of the best

1125
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 1: music we've ever put out. And um, we finally have

1126
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: just gotten out of our way of trying to like

1127
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: put out or right what we think. Like you guys

1128
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,359
Speaker 1: you know are gonna love don't don't look at me.

1129
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: I have with it. I know that. But you know

1130
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: what I mean, I've gotten further out of that game

1131
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 1: than than I ever right, Um, when you talk about artists,

1132
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 1: it's just what you're saying to me that I had

1133
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 1: the same conversation with Luke Brian. We were flying to

1134
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 1: Idle together and he was like, man, he was like,

1135
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 1: I've had my time. He's like, I always want to

1136
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: be the guy, but I've had my time being the guy.

1137
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: He's like, it's time for the next people that are

1138
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 1: the guy to be the guy. Well, he's always going

1139
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: to be sorry to keep me and you're Mike, He's

1140
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: always gonna be He's Luke Bryant. But yeah, I mean,

1141
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: at some point you've got to like the only way

1142
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: this genre survives is for us to give these new

1143
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: artists a chance. And they've learned off of us and

1144
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 1: seeing what we've doing, and I hope they take it

1145
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 1: and take it to a whole another level. If anything,

1146
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 1: I'm just looking for, you know, that was why I

1147
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 1: get really obviously when Marion came out, she was just

1148
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: so like such a breath of fresh air, you know,

1149
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 1: Ingrid Andrewson, I'm I'm waiting for more of that, for

1150
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: people to start taking some chances a little bit, and

1151
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: uh and and us as a genre to take some

1152
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:35,879
Speaker 1: more chances because there is a lot of the same

1153
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 1: out there. And that's okay too. I mean, it's very

1154
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 1: it's it's great, it's fun, it's easily digestible. But man,

1155
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: I like I want, I'm ready for more because I

1156
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: need it too. Man. I thrive off of like discovering

1157
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 1: new music and and uh, you know, I'm ready for

1158
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 1: the next big thing. Before we run here, I do

1159
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 1: want to highlight a few songs that you wrote that

1160
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 1: other artists we mentioned Luke uh two thousand nine, Luke

1161
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: Bryan and do I Baby. Was this your first songwriting

1162
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 1: success at all? Yes, well at all outside of the band? Yes, yes,

1163
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 1: meaning did you write it for you guys? We just

1164
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 1: I don't know what made us. Um. I think we

1165
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 1: just became good friends with Luke, and I don't necessarily

1166
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: know if we were trying to like get an outside

1167
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:27,879
Speaker 1: cut or I was just like Luke, we should write

1168
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: some time, and um, yeah, we just let's see. This

1169
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 1: was so The funny thing this was we wrote this

1170
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 1: around kind of the time probably Running You was doing

1171
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 1: its thing. The reason I remember around the time it

1172
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 1: was is because we had need You Now at number one,

1173
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,919
Speaker 1: and do I was at number two, So talk about

1174
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 1: as a songwriter. I remember being like, uh yeah, cool

1175
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 1: and now I'm like going back like that doesn't happen, dude.

1176
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: And I remember calling up Mike Dungan you were on

1177
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 1: the same label, and I was like, dude, he'll need

1178
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 1: you now. Do I go up to number one? He goes,

1179
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 1: we can't, Like you can't need you now right now?

1180
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 1: Like this is a needs you now? Set up there

1181
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 1: for like four weeks. Why do I would like set

1182
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:06,800
Speaker 1: up there like waiting for its turn. And then finally

1183
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: we had dropped just enough for Dye to get in

1184
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 1: there and get the number one. And I remember being

1185
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 1: as a songwriter like this is pretty dad, I'm cool,

1186
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: but um man, Luke, I mean we can't. I can't

1187
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: take a ton of credit. Luke had this idea and

1188
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: the course was half as long, and I was like,

1189
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 1: of course, is so houcky. Luke. I was like, we

1190
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 1: gotta double that chorus and then it's got to come

1191
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: back to the do I he had to do? I

1192
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 1: turn't you want to don't want to kiss your baby?

1193
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 1: Sign to me wanting your drive? You crazy baby? Do.

1194
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: I that's as long as it was. It was like, no, man,

1195
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 1: keep it going. And so we I feel like some

1196
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 1: of Dave and I was pop melody, you know, kind

1197
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 1: of got in there and uh and you know, and

1198
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 1: it was Luke's first number one, but I feel like

1199
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: it opened it opened him up in a big way

1200
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 1: that he wasn't just this kind of one trick pony.

1201
00:57:56,480 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 1: But obviously nothing did for Luke what Country girls shake

1202
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 1: it from Me did for Luke, right, But it was

1203
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 1: cool to be a part of his first number one.

1204
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 1: And and by the way, you have I believe eleven

1205
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 1: number ones with Lady A that you've written. So what

1206
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 1: I mean songwriter? I mean that you was just a

1207
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 1: songwriter that you weren't singing with your own voice on

1208
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 1: our record. And so that's um, I grabbed a cap

1209
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 1: Darius homegrown honey, Yeah, honey again, when you write this,

1210
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 1: what's the what's the mindset you're writing for? Darius? Um?

1211
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: We knew. I had told Darris, like, you know, I

1212
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 1: was like, we've never written together, man, have we never

1213
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 1: written together? This is crazy? We're like best friends, which

1214
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: is the same thing with like Thomas Rhett, He's got

1215
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: two songs off this new records, like we've been friends

1216
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 1: for freaking seven eight years, Like how have we never

1217
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 1: written together? And the only two songs we've written made

1218
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 1: this record, Friends and lent Friends and in a song

1219
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 1: called things he handed down, But Darius, we were there

1220
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 1: and uh, and so I went over to Nathan Chapman's

1221
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 1: UM studio a little bit before and I was like,

1222
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: we're about to write with Darris. We gotta get something

1223
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 1: kind of brewed up, and uh, we kind of had

1224
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 1: this little chorus is honey, honey, so money? And I

1225
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 1: was like, oh man, that sounds like that could be

1226
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 1: a cool lady A song. I was like, and I

1227
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 1: was like, if he doesn't like this, we're gonna save

1228
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 1: this for lady A. And the minute we played it

1229
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: for he was like, that's awesome. And so, you know,

1230
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 1: we were just off to the races. But um, but yeah,

1231
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: that day we were in my head. We were trying

1232
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 1: to write for Luke, I mean, Darius one more two eighteen,

1233
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 1: Brett Young here tonight. Were you guys touring to I

1234
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 1: feel like we're touring together when you wrote this? We were,

1235
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 1: And I don't know if he still does this. He

1236
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 1: can't write without a whiskey in his hand. He is

1237
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 1: so funny, like because he's like he's superstitious or yes,

1238
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if a superstitious or it just calms

1239
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 1: him down. He's not like I don't want to say

1240
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 1: this and not and I hope he wouldn't think I

1241
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 1: like him like throwing under the bus because he's not

1242
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 1: like I drink more than than than Brett. I mean,

1243
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:54,919
Speaker 1: he's very controlled guy. But like I remember we wrote

1244
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 1: it like eleven o'clock and I was like, do you

1245
00:59:57,600 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 1: are you drinking whiskey at eleven? It's like do we

1246
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 1: need to talk? We have a talk, and you know,

1247
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 1: I'd like just woken up. I had like a coffee

1248
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 1: by and I was like, and you're a rock star, dude,

1249
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: He goes, Dude, I can't write without having a whiskey man.

1250
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 1: And uh So, anyways, that one, I had just had

1251
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 1: a little bit of that melody the of the end,

1252
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 1: and I was trying to write for him. He probably

1253
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:20,919
Speaker 1: thought he was trying to write for for me, which

1254
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 1: happens a lot. I wrote a song with Marion and

1255
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 1: Ryan heard and I thought I was going in there

1256
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 1: to write a song with with Maren for her record

1257
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 1: and uh and and she's sang in the demo and

1258
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 1: she's like and she was like, Hillary is gonna kill this.

1259
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, no, Maren, You're gonna

1260
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 1: kill this. And uh, it's so funny. It almost made

1261
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 1: our record. It may make a future record, but uh.

1262
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 1: But yeah. The last things I'm gonna ask you are

1263
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 1: a bit about the name change, but not really what

1264
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 1: you expect about the name change. I don't mind at all.

1265
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Speaker 1: I'm not I'm really not that interested in in the

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01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 1: drama of that. I mean, I think we kind of

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01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 1: all saw that play out. But it's like all the

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01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 1: murch you had with Lady Annabellum written, like those are

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01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 1: the questions I have, Like what the crap do you

1270
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 1: do with It's like a world serious team to finish

1271
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 1: a second, like you got it all printed out? What

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01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 1: do you do with it? Then? I don't know. I mean, listen,

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Speaker 1: I love you know. I just think we're in a

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01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 1: time now where like when you know better, you know,

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01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 1: when you know better, you do better. And we had

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01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 1: never thought about that name. I mean I had talks

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01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 1: with so many of my you know, my black friends,

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01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 1: and they were like you know, I never really thought

1279
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 1: about it, but when I look at it, you know,

1280
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 1: we like because I know you guys, and I know

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01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 1: that's not but they were like I could see how

1282
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 1: that just and I don't know, man, with everything that's

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01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 1: going on, it's like, I don't want to be a

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01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 1: part of any I don't want to have anything associated

1285
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 1: with us that would make any human being think that

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01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 1: that was any part of our hearts because it could

1287
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 1: not be any more different. Um. I just think it's

1288
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:49,479
Speaker 1: just one of those I call one of those little

1289
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:51,439
Speaker 1: blind spots, especially when you grow up in the South.

1290
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 1: You're like you kind of you kind of in a

1291
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 1: weird way, romanticize some some things around here that you're

1292
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 1: not necessarily associated it with the bad. You're associating it

1293
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 1: with like the grace this, and you know what I mean.

1294
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,439
Speaker 1: And I think that was kind of naively kind of

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01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 1: where we were in that and and there's a lot

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01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 1: of people that I thought we folded or whatever. And

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01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 1: it's like, well, you know what, then if you if

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01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 1: you don't want to be a part of the conversation

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01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 1: of change and just opening ourselves up to like making

1300
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 1: a better world, and that's fine, you know, dig your

1301
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 1: heels in. But that was what it was all about.

1302
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean probably a lot of tea shirts

1303
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 1: out there. There was a lot of like all kinds

1304
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 1: of stuff we you know, and people still will call

1305
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 1: us lady and a Bellman. I slipped and have done

1306
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 1: that on the operating stage and I was like, I

1307
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 1: was like, god, no, listen, that's okay. I mean, same

1308
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 1: thing with the Dixie Chicks. They never had there's no

1309
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 1: way they had any intention of that being offensive. And

1310
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:50,160
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people are like, well it's not offensive.

1311
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 1: It's like, well, no, kid, it's not offensive to you.

1312
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 1: And Lady and Bella is not offensive to you. Listen.

1313
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:57,439
Speaker 1: It wasn't offensive to me. It's not necessarily I don't

1314
01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 1: associate those things with that word, but a lot of

1315
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 1: people do. And when you can make a change, especially

1316
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 1: when people called us, you know, lady a. That probably

1317
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 1: would have been the most difficult thing if we didn't

1318
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 1: because think about the brand recognition. That would have been

1319
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 1: the most difficult thing if we didn't have a name

1320
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 1: that already everyone associated. I mean from the day day one.

1321
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 1: I mean I remember, like the first time we went

1322
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 1: on Today's Show, it was like lady A taking over

1323
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 1: the pavilion. This was like two thousand seven, so everyone's

1324
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 1: been calling us lady A. But it was a very

1325
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 1: difficult time. I mean really wild Um never been in

1326
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 1: our lives kind of misinterpreted like like that or whatever,

1327
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 1: or you know, And because it's always been about the

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01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 1: music and that's that's what we wanted about. That was

1329
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 1: one reason you know that wrote that song on Talk

1330
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 1: of this Town was like, I don't want to be

1331
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 1: the talcoless town. It's got a little double meaning there, um.

1332
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Speaker 1: But man, we learned a lot about ourselves and it

1333
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 1: kind of made us even more passionate about being a

1334
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:59,440
Speaker 1: part of of a band that represents love and a

1335
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 1: welcome and vironment and and putting out music that makes

1336
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 1: people feel good. I don't know. So for us, it's like,

1337
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 1: I know there's something beautiful that's going to happen, and

1338
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 1: I know there's something beautiful that's that's out there that

1339
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 1: you know, we're we're all, we all are going to

1340
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 1: make changes and people are always so resistant to it,

1341
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:20,919
Speaker 1: and uh, I don't know. I just I'm hoping that

1342
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 1: there's gonna be some beauty from the from the name

1343
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 1: change at some point because I will say right now,

1344
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:30,560
Speaker 1: it's it's been it's been pretty tough to be misinterpreted

1345
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:34,120
Speaker 1: so bad with your intentions, especially people that I don't know,

1346
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 1: you never even tried to know, you never even tried.

1347
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 1: They're only basing their only knowledge of you off a

1348
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 1: headline that they read exactly and and and and trust me,

1349
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 1: there's so much more to that in a very crazy

1350
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:51,240
Speaker 1: way that people wouldn't even understand, you know. But but listen,

1351
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 1: we're just we're trying to do our best like everybody else.

1352
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:57,480
Speaker 1: And I think as long as you try and and

1353
01:04:56,320 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 1: um and you know, try to leave the world a

1354
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 1: little bit better. You know, I don't want my my

1355
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 1: old boy as he grows up and he's in history

1356
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 1: class going dad, well what did you mean by that?

1357
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 1: And what you now? Because when I learned about I

1358
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 1: was like, well that's hard to explain. I don't know,

1359
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 1: and so I don't know. It just we grew up, man.

1360
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:17,440
Speaker 1: You grow up and you start looking at the world

1361
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 1: and going all right, man, we can all do better.

1362
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 1: And that's just the bottom line. We can. And sometimes

1363
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 1: it takes a pandemic and you know, and and and

1364
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 1: a lot of things that happened that that kind of

1365
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 1: change the world for the better, you know, And it

1366
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 1: takes time. It's it's it's still going to take a long, long,

1367
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 1: long time. But there's a there's some beauty I think

1368
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 1: that's going to come out of this pandemic and everyone

1369
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:45,200
Speaker 1: having some forced stillness and um, it's also gonna be

1370
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:49,920
Speaker 1: a lot of anxiety and and and therapy we're all

1371
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 1: gonna have to go through after this. What a song

1372
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 1: can do is the new record? Uh going to talk

1373
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:57,240
Speaker 1: to you? Yeah? Man, I mean it's not like we

1374
01:05:57,240 --> 01:06:00,360
Speaker 1: don't ever talk, but no, usually it's with the three

1375
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 1: of us, or it's I think the last time I

1376
01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 1: saw he was in the hallway the opry and everybody's

1377
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 1: got their families or you know, people with them. How

1378
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 1: you like a married life? Man, it's good. Just feel

1379
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 1: any different, are you? It feels yes, it feels different

1380
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:16,439
Speaker 1: in that I always feel like people in my life

1381
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 1: are going to leave me because growing up that's what happened.

1382
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 1: But dad left, my mom died, everybody left. But it's

1383
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:27,360
Speaker 1: gonna be hard for her to do that legally, Like

1384
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 1: like that's the that's the difference. I always I always

1385
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 1: felt like, man, she's she's so freaking smart, she's so

1386
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:39,480
Speaker 1: pretty everything she shouldn't be with me. And I always thought, well,

1387
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:41,120
Speaker 1: eventually she's going to figure it out. But now if

1388
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:42,480
Speaker 1: she figures it out, it's just gonna take a couple

1389
01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 1: more steps, and I feel like in the midst of

1390
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:46,960
Speaker 1: those steps I can convince her otherwise. So, yes, it

1391
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 1: has been so great that I get scared. It's so great.

1392
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:53,479
Speaker 1: Well that's that's good. At least it's so great. I mean, dude,

1393
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 1: the first I remember the first year, I mean being

1394
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 1: my my wife, you know, uh, sorry, Mom and Dad.

1395
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 1: We lived in sin for a year, and it was like,

1396
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 1: you know, once we moved in, it was it didn't

1397
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:07,040
Speaker 1: feel that much different because we had already kind of

1398
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:09,160
Speaker 1: been together, you know, but and we were dated for

1399
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:11,120
Speaker 1: like six months then or four months or so. Then

1400
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 1: the pandemic hit and we were stuck together, really had

1401
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 1: to get to know each other. Yeah, and then it

1402
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, this is for her, Well then

1403
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 1: you're awesome. Yeah, then you if you got through that,

1404
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:23,600
Speaker 1: you get through anything. Anybody that literally we're dating and

1405
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 1: got through the pandemic together or probably on a heck

1406
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:29,640
Speaker 1: of a path. It's been awesome, so awesome that I'm

1407
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 1: scared to say it's been awesome. Um okay, well well

1408
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 1: we'll leave it there. You guys check out the new record.

1409
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 1: Um good, good talk talk. You nailed this, man. We

1410
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 1: just did an hour rambly and not not ramble at

1411
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 1: all on ramble j over here, No no, no, you

1412
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 1: conversationally and how you communicated, how you should communicate. It's

1413
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 1: hard to communicate on any sort of show when you

1414
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 1: have nine minutes and three people. As much as you

1415
01:07:57,280 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 1: love those three people, I was telling them before you

1416
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 1: came in, it's like, all I got to spend enough

1417
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 1: time with Dave. I s been enough time with Charles.

1418
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:04,440
Speaker 1: I guess been enough time with Hillary, and then I

1419
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 1: gotta make everybody feel like they're walcome and then nope,

1420
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:09,280
Speaker 1: time to go. Second segments over. So yeah, for sure,

1421
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:11,760
Speaker 1: send my loved everything and you should get You should

1422
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:13,800
Speaker 1: get the two of them one separately. It would be interesting.

1423
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 1: So Dave has been on Okay, cool, Dave came over

1424
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 1: for a long time. But David, Dave sent me to

1425
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:23,000
Speaker 1: on site basically yeah, so I mean he did me too.

1426
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:26,760
Speaker 1: When you guys, when you guys had the controversy or

1427
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 1: the like I was reaching out today of like, because

1428
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:31,959
Speaker 1: I've been a lot of trouble and I've not recently,

1429
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,519
Speaker 1: but through my career I've been sued. I've been and

1430
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 1: so I reached out to Dave and was like, hey, man,

1431
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:37,800
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about you. Here's what I know. Here's what

1432
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:40,639
Speaker 1: I'm seeing from an outside because you know he's been

1433
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:42,800
Speaker 1: I mean, he sent me to on site, which is

1434
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:45,879
Speaker 1: the place to go. I wouldn't take that lightly. Yeah,

1435
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:48,680
Speaker 1: but that's, you know, a guy that I trust. Yeah, Yeah,

1436
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:51,439
Speaker 1: he's he's he's one of the best, the most genuine

1437
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:55,920
Speaker 1: and one of the biggest lessons our first manager said

1438
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:58,679
Speaker 1: he had. He'd been around managing every act under the sun.

1439
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:01,000
Speaker 1: He goes, here's you're famous. N Till you've been sued

1440
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 1: at least two or three times. People don't come after

1441
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:06,040
Speaker 1: people without that are are are aren't successful? You know

1442
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 1: what I mean? I mean when they see there's like

1443
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:11,040
Speaker 1: a whole group of lawyers and stuff out there too,

1444
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:14,519
Speaker 1: looking for little little ways of making money off of

1445
01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 1: off off of people. I mean, this is just it

1446
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 1: is what it is. It don't You're not alone, There

1447
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:21,600
Speaker 1: isn't There isn't an artist in this town that's successful

1448
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:23,720
Speaker 1: that hasn't been sued for something. I remember hearing a

1449
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:26,639
Speaker 1: story one time that Bruce Springsteen got sued by someone

1450
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:30,759
Speaker 1: in that had said he had written a poem in jail,

1451
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:35,719
Speaker 1: and it was easier to give the guy like thirty

1452
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:38,519
Speaker 1: grand than to fight it with the lawyers. And that's

1453
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:41,400
Speaker 1: what they bet on. It's so messed up. It's the

1454
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:43,559
Speaker 1: it's it's just I can't even get it. It's so ikey.

1455
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 1: And that's why my even my car insurance is so high, honestly, like,

1456
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:49,280
Speaker 1: I have an umbrella insurance policy that it's like if

1457
01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:52,240
Speaker 1: somebody hits you and they see it's it's automatic. There's

1458
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:54,320
Speaker 1: money to be made out there. There's people that are

1459
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:56,240
Speaker 1: prized that are gonna come and try to get it.

1460
01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 1: All right, you go, Charles Kelly at Charles Kelly on Instagram.

1461
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 1: Lady is got a lady ya, he's got a new

1462
01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:03,639
Speaker 1: record and uh, we'll see you soon. Yeah, man, where

1463
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:10,080
Speaker 1: there is m hm