1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: This is Jamal Lewis, Baltimore Ravens two thousand and two 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: thousand and nine. You can follow me Jamal thirty one 3 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:11,039 Speaker 1: Lewis on Instagram and on X. This is the NFL 4 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:12,559 Speaker 1: Player's Second X podcast. 5 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 2: Thank you for tuning in to the NFL Player Second 6 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 2: Act Podcast. I'm Peanut Tillman. This is my guy, Roman 7 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 2: s Sec Harper. 8 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: Well, thank you. 9 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 2: At least you switched it up from Ribot today. So 10 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 2: thank you all of our listeners and viewers out there. 11 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 2: Right here we are here in the Atlanta iHeartRadio studios 12 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 2: in the heart of it so right here in midtown. 13 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 2: So that's really great space. One of the best setups 14 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 2: we've had. You know, tell us who our special guest 15 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 2: is next. This is a good one. Is great, I'm sorry, 16 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 2: great one is a great one. All pro running back 17 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 2: ran more than ten thousand yards in ten years. I 18 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 2: don't even dry that far. I don't even dry as 19 00:00:57,960 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 2: far as far as that in my I don't know. 20 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 2: Just too much math for me. He's one of eight 21 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 2: running backs in the NFL to rush for more than 22 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 2: two thousand yards. Uh, Super Bowl champion, successful businessman and 23 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 2: in the retail design logistics and other ventures. Ladies and gentlemen, 24 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 2: please welcome to the show. Mister Jamal Lewis. 25 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:25,479 Speaker 1: That was great. That was great. That was great. Two 26 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: thousand yards Yeah, that's awsome. 27 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 2: The only thing that I think is crazy that we 28 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 2: learned about you, U jamal Is when we started looking 29 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 2: at was that that was the only year you went 30 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 2: to a Pro Bowl. It was all pro like, that 31 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 2: was it? 32 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: Yeah? 33 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 2: But you had a thousand yards every year? 34 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, it was tough, man, It was tough 35 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: in theF nor Man Eddie George, Yeah, Eddie George, you 36 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: had not you had Bettists. Yeah, you had uh the 37 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: dad at the Jets, Curtis Martin Martin, you had Cord Dylon. Yeah, 38 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: you know, so it was always I was just competing 39 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: every year and I'm like, Manu, it short fell short 40 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: again this year, but look who you fell short behind? Like, 41 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: you know, it was just that type of you know, 42 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 1: running backs. 43 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 2: It was scarce, you know, And that was when like 44 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 2: the Pro Bowl like meant something to the players. 45 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, went got mad. You got mad. You didn't. He 46 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:22,519 Speaker 1: thought you were supposed to make it. 47 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 2: So it was one year that you thought you should 48 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 2: have went and you didn't make it because that happened 49 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 2: to me a couple of times when I looked at 50 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 2: my stats compared to other players, and I'm like, yo, 51 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,959 Speaker 2: I got more picks, I got more touchdowns, I got 52 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 2: more fumbles or forced fumbles. But this particular player had 53 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 2: been twice before, so they kind of went off like 54 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 2: the popularity. 55 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: The numbers don't lie, you know what I mean, I 56 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: didn't have the numbers, But at the same time, it's 57 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: not like I had a whole bunch of help at 58 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: the quarterback position either, So therefore, you know, it was 59 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: like you took what you got. I was, you know, 60 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 1: I got over a thousand yards, which was great, but 61 00:02:57,880 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 1: at the same time, you know, the other guys was 62 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: probably at twelve hundred and thirteen hundred, you know, or 63 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: more shoot fifteen sixteen hundred, you know. Yeah, so you 64 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: kind of had that that was just battling with. 65 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 2: You're on a few running backs that didn't wear gloves. Yeah, 66 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 2: what's up with that? Like, what's up? Like, I know 67 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 2: you're ball tight, but to me, that always stood out 68 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 2: about Jamal Lewis. This guy never had gloves on, and 69 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 2: it'd be cold as hell on TV when I was young. 70 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: When I was young playing here in Atlanta, we played 71 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: at Lakewood Stadium and it was like astro turf, you know, 72 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 1: so you know, I always my mom always would have 73 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: brought me sleeves and gloves and wristbands and all this stuff. 74 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: And when I would get it, by the time you know, 75 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: halftime came, I done took all that off. So I 76 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: was like, I just never used it. I didn't know. 77 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: I didn't want anything between my hands and the ball. 78 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: So that's kind of where that went. I might have 79 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: had a few fumbles in there, too, so I was like, 80 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: forget that. I was blamed it on the gloves. But 81 00:03:55,960 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: I do remember John and Ogden one year, and this 82 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: was probably after my third or fourth year in the league, 83 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: and he was like, hey, why did you wear gloves? 84 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: And I was like, Cuz I just don't like him. 85 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: He said, well, you know they've changed, you know, a 86 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: lot more staff have a few fumbles to me, so 87 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: he was trying to hit something. But when I started 88 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 1: wearing gloves, my fumbles just went down drastically, Like, you know, 89 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 1: I might have had one fumble in a year, you 90 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: know what I mean, versus of three or four, you know. 91 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: But it just drastically went down. And then I started 92 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 1: wearing gloves rest of my career. But that's why I 93 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 1: did it earlier. Okay, okay, because you did wear them 94 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: in college. 95 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 2: No, I didn't early on you did no swags. 96 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: Oh man, My kids, my kids right now, they look 97 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: at you, they're like, man, you look wrecked. Like I'm like, 98 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,919 Speaker 1: I thought I was started, you know, but look I 99 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: was trying to go out there and you know, make 100 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 1: an impact. You know that's funny. Something look crazy. No sleeves. 101 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, jash, you like, just see 102 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: them the guys. 103 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 2: Honestly, that's why I took my sweatshirt off, because the 104 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 2: guys that don't wear. 105 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: No sleeves, they'd be out there ask you with no gloves. 106 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 2: I'm like, don't care about life, you know what I mean. 107 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 2: That says a lot to do about that person who 108 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 2: never said one word he about business. 109 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, don't care about nothing, just crazy about it. 110 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 2: He don't care about So when you went into that 111 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 2: locker room, so I know, I get drafted. I come 112 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,239 Speaker 2: in the locker room. You know, I got olen crews, 113 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 2: I got the Mike Brown's, I got the brown earl 114 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 2: Loackers and you coming straight out of college, it's it's 115 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 2: a little intimidating, right, So how was it when you 116 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 2: got drafted and you went to Baltimore when you stepped 117 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 2: into that veteran locker room with all those players. 118 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: So the only person that I really knew was with 119 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: Shannon Shark okay, and I used to train with Shannon 120 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: in the off season when I used to come home 121 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: from college for like two weeks, I would go train 122 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 1: with Shannon, so I kind of knew him, yeah, on 123 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: that team. But I never really watched like football. I 124 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 1: never really followed football, So I didn't. 125 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 2: Know ray Lewis when you were in college, you when 126 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 2: you weren't playing, you didn't watch it. 127 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: No, I never watched it, but I hear I would 128 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: listen to people talk, you know, so I kind of 129 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 1: my boys would talk about Rod Woodson and ray Lewis 130 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: and all this type of Stuffespecially when I got drafted 131 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: there They're like, oh, man, You're going to play with 132 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: all these dudes, And I'm like, don't know who they are, 133 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: but you know, when you get there, you know you 134 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: in you in a pack of lions up there. You 135 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. There's a bunch of leaders and 136 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 1: just how Ozzie knew some structured that team from a 137 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,799 Speaker 1: standpoint of experience to youth, you know what I'm saying. 138 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: And uh, the guys that were there, they was just 139 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 1: you know, you had Rod Woodson, Sarah Goosa, Rod Burnett, McCreary, 140 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, yeah, Peter Ball where that was defensive 141 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 1: side offence. You had, you know, Jonathan Ogden, had Shannon 142 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: the quarterback was it, yes, Del for Tony Banks of course, 143 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:05,919 Speaker 1: But at the same time, you had a lot of 144 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 1: guys there with a lot of experience, you know, that 145 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: you could feed off of. And me as a rookie, 146 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: I just jumped in and and I didn't know, you know, 147 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: just how soon I was going to play or start 148 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: or whatever, but I knew it was expected. But at 149 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: the same time, I just went up under Ray and 150 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: we started hanging out and Shannon and and we just 151 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: you know, we just became a little click. And uh, 152 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: you just learned a lot from those guys and how 153 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: they move and and everything else. And I think that 154 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: dynamic is what Ozzie and the organization is really trying 155 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: to put together. Knowing that you had you was trying 156 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: to build a squad. You know, we had just opened 157 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: what ninety six, so that was two thousand when I 158 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: got there, So uh uh, it was it was it 159 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: was structured that way, and it was uh, it was 160 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: impactful going through the season and learning even learning who 161 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: these guys were and and you know that they was 162 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: great players, and I think that's what resulted in a 163 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: Super Bowl up and downs. 164 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 2: So tell me this, what was it like going again 165 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 2: at practice going against that defense? You mentioned a couple 166 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 2: of them, Sam Adams, Sarah Guci McQuary, Robertnette, ray Lewis, 167 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 2: Jamie Sharper, Dwayne Starts, Chris mccowster, all these great corners, 168 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 2: Rod Woodson, Kim Herring Like, how what was that going 169 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 2: against those guys because you guys hit two back then. Yeah, 170 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 2: it was not like yeah, we're now off, you know. 171 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: Coach. Yeah, Coach came in and he was like, you know, 172 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: you knew it was because everybody, even right you come 173 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: in to the locker room, they're like, oh, oh oh, 174 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: live bullets, live hoods today. I'm like, okay, So coach said, 175 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:42,839 Speaker 1: you know we're going live you know, gold line, certain 176 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: areas what definitely go But I can remember one particular 177 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 1: time we had. It was it was goal line and 178 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: coaches I think priest that just went and then coach 179 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: was like all right, big back, like your your turn. 180 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: So I went in and I got huddle and we 181 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: was like, you know, the one yard line, and I 182 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,959 Speaker 1: remember they called the play of course, go lines, just 183 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: just drop step and hit it. So I dropstep hit it. 184 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 1: And when I got to the line, you know, things 185 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: opened up and I got there and all of a sudden, 186 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: like wow, somebody met me in the hole. They were 187 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: fifty two. So I so I was like, okay, you know, 188 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: we didn't get it. So I went back to the huddle. 189 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: They called the same play, so I said, okay, they're 190 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 1: trying to see what we got. You know what I 191 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: got at least. So he called the same play, same 192 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,839 Speaker 1: sad thing happened the one yard line and I hit 193 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: it and it just and next thing, you know, fifty 194 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,559 Speaker 1: two just filled it. So we get back to the 195 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: huddle and I'm like, you know, I say, who got 196 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: who got fifty two? And it was like it was 197 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: like nobody, that's ray Lewis. I was like, damn, okay, 198 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: all right, that's what it's gonna be let's do it. 199 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: But I went back, same play three times, same thing happened, 200 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: never crossed the line, and I knew what I knew 201 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: what they were in and they knew what I was. 202 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 1: And that's what I got my respect. And it was like, 203 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 1: you know, you kind of knew who the guys were 204 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: over there, you know, and what that defense was really about. 205 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: And uh, it set the stage was that that was, yeah, 206 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: you're welcome to the NFL. 207 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 2: That was three times in a row. 208 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: Who who got fifty two last? So that's when I realized. 209 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: I said, Okay, I see what, I see what's up. 210 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:34,959 Speaker 1: But guess what. There was a lot of times we're 211 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: playing games down the road and coach you say, look, 212 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: we're gonna have eight men in the box and one 213 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: of them gonna be yours. So you know, you gotta, 214 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 1: you know, you gotta take it, take it as it comes. 215 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 2: So I know my uh, everyone the NFL, they're infamous 216 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 2: for for rookie nights, right, I know, my rookie night. 217 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 2: We had to pay for dinner, pay for some limos, 218 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 2: and some some some evening activities when we went out. 219 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 1: Uh, like you clean that up? Yeah? 220 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know there was an incident with you and 221 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:07,319 Speaker 2: you had to pay for some limbos for the for 222 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 2: the team. Talk talk about that, Well, what was that experience? 223 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: Well, I did well, Well, it wasn't even the team. 224 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: It was just Ray shinning and uh Corey at the 225 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: time and uh Rod okay, because we would all go out. Yeah, 226 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: but it was like Thursday, Friday, you know, you come 227 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,199 Speaker 1: back after you know, Saturday, ain't doing nothing. Sunday after 228 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 1: the game, you might do something. It might just be 229 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: me and Ray going to d C or whatever. But 230 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: you know, you're getting a limo three four times a week, 231 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, And at the end of 232 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: the day, I'm the one getting dropped off, you know. 233 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: So it just became a pattern. And the dude that 234 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 1: was the limo guy, you know that I used, you know, 235 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 1: he was just you know, getting me the bill and 236 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: I'll be like here you go, you know, like fifteen 237 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,680 Speaker 1: hundred fifty one hundred, fifteen hundred pop. Because we're going 238 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: all day, you know what I mean, We're going all day. 239 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: So it's like and I'm like, damn, how do I 240 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: always end up? So I started thinking about Okay, So 241 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: but but at the same time. Now I'm paying for 242 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 1: limos with these guys. And then I got to bring doughnuts, uh, 243 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: Christma Kream doughnuts and Pipee's chicken chick, you know. And 244 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: Travis Taylor he was a rookie too. He was the 245 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: first round but he was just he was bucking the system. 246 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,439 Speaker 1: So somebody had to I had to step up and 247 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 1: bring it. But the limbos was like that get taxing 248 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 1: over a sixteen week season, I tell you that. 249 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, people don't know about that Popey's chicken for the 250 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 2: game now like I had. I had to do it too. 251 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 2: Almost missed my plane going to get the chicken. 252 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: That's a rich that was like a richie. Yeah, you 253 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: have on a nice suit walking across the Tara mat 254 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: with and chicken. You's sweating and everything. You got a 255 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: nice suit. You just about this and you gotta get 256 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 1: on the plane. And he was smelling like chicken smelling. 257 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 2: Like And there's no excuse for young players to mess 258 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 2: this up. Now, Okay, you guys have door dash, you 259 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 2: have so many different ways to get the chicken to 260 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,679 Speaker 2: the plane. There's no excuses to not have the yardbird 261 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 2: on the plane. You got that is mandatory. 262 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: Excuse. 263 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 2: This is what's been going on the NFL for as 264 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 2: long as since the Ninthes. 265 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: Guys. Don't bring Mama's chicken, don't bring somebody else, you 266 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: better bring verse pop up. Yeah we have. We had 267 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: to go to the hood to go get it. But yeah, 268 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: that's no excuse. Shield. 269 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 2: I don't care one time. This true story. Hot sauce 270 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 2: guys be spilling on the shirts. 271 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 1: It was. It was all messed up. It was all 272 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: messed up, all right. 273 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 2: So two thousand and three, Week sixteen, all right, you 274 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 2: ran for two hundred and five yards on twenty two 275 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 2: carries versus the Cleveland Browns you got were up twenty 276 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:04,559 Speaker 2: eight to nothing. So you get pulled out of the game, 277 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 2: all right, Brian Billy said, I want to save you 278 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 2: for the playoffs, but you probably could have broke the 279 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 2: rushing record, right you feel that way, kind of take 280 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 2: us down this whole story and kind of fill us 281 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 2: in how you were feeling looking back at it. 282 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: Would you have changed anything in that game? I kind 283 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: of knew. I kind of knew we could at least 284 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: put up some numbers that could make it lighter going 285 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: into the end of the season to actually get over 286 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: the record, not just two thousand. We knew we could 287 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: probably hit two thousand, but it was the record. What 288 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: you're going for, Yeah, what was the record? Twenty five? 289 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: Twenty one oh five, Yeah, twenty one oh five, So 290 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: going away finish twenty sixty six, right exactly. Not closer 291 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: than Adrian Peterson. That's even worse, you like. But it 292 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: was like, we knew that the come out hot, and 293 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: they did, and you know, it was cold as I 294 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: don't know what out there anyway, so it took a 295 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: while to warm up. So we kind of knew, like 296 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: the second second half we'll kind of pick up, maybe 297 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: second quarter, second half, we'll pick it up. And it 298 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: started breaking and we started hitting it, and I'm like, 299 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: here we go, Like we got it. It didn't take 300 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: but a few carries, probably one out of three hours, 301 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: gonna pop it, you know. And then coach, you know, 302 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: he he came and pulled me out and he was like, 303 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: you know, we need you, you need you for the playoffs, 304 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: you know. And I was a team guy, you know 305 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: what I mean. I'm like, all right, you know whatever, 306 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: But in my head, I'm thinking, it don't matter if 307 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: we go to the playoffs anyway. We're going to the playoffs. 308 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: But at the same time, I don't think we're going 309 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: deep in it. You know, I don't let me going 310 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: deep cause I done got some miles on these legs. 311 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: I'm tired, you know, running for two thousand yards, that's 312 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: that's that's tiring. And I had I think I finished 313 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: up with three hundred and eighty carres or something crazy. 314 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: So but I kind of felt like, Okay, you know, 315 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: at the time, you're like, I need to get more 316 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: so that I can probably make it easier. But it 317 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: just made the work that much harder. And I wish 318 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: I would have stayed in at least to kind of 319 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: eat up a few more yards, but you know, I 320 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: was taking it for the team so I could be healthy, 321 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: nothing happens and get hurt whatever. But I do wish 322 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: we would have we would have left me in. 323 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 2: Listening to you talk about that, I want to know, like, 324 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 2: as that season progresses and you're getting closer to two 325 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 2: thousand yards and like this season clearly just felt different, 326 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 2: like did you just pop more? Like what was it 327 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 2: like being on a heater like that where you just 328 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 2: breaking runs? I remember you just watching you know, prime 329 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 2: time when Chris Birmingham all the time talking about you 330 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 2: breaking these long runs week after week after week. 331 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: What was it like being on that type of heater 332 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: type water. So it was so early in the season, like, 333 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 1: well not early in the season, but training in the 334 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 1: off season. Me and my training at the time, you know, 335 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: I saw Cord Dillon go for two seventy four and 336 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: I was like, that can be done, Like, but you 337 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: gotta hit it early. Yeah, you gotta break one early, 338 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 1: you know. And I always said that when he did that, 339 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 1: and I think that was my rookie year. I think 340 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: he did it against Denver and I just saw how 341 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: he ran it. I watched that, you know multiple times, 342 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: and I'll just tell my my trainer every year, like 343 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: we got to go for that record. We gotta go 344 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: for that record. And then he was like, let's just 345 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: go for two thousands. Like two thousand, it's doable. It's doable. 346 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: So like, okay, we'll we'll put it on up there, 347 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 1: you know whatever, and we shall fall we fall short, 348 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: We'll still be good, right. And I trained, you know, 349 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: train like hell, and and one of my main. 350 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 2: Thing differently as far as how you train. 351 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: My training that all season was mainly I did a 352 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:47,479 Speaker 1: lot of boxing and then I also did you know 353 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 1: on my on my speed training, I worked more on 354 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: my back end finish, keeping it, to keep it and 355 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: stay so when I get to the second level, you know, boom, 356 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: I could go and finish and hit the home run. 357 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 1: So that was my because my power was good. I 358 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: was good at that, but my stride length was kind 359 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: of it was off. So we worked on that pretty 360 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,919 Speaker 1: much all off season. But you know, going into that 361 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: first game, I think I end up getting fifty yards 362 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 1: or something, but uh, the quarterback got hurt, Kyle Bowler 363 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: got hurt, Anthony Wright stepped in, and that's when coach said, hey, look, 364 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: we need you need us to run the ball twenty 365 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:28,400 Speaker 1: five thirty times game And I'm like perfect, Like I'm 366 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: built for it. I'm ready for you. And when we 367 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 1: got in that game and they threw the ball to 368 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: first play and I'm like like, really, y'all do tripping, 369 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 1: you know, And then they handed it off the second 370 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,400 Speaker 1: play and I took it for like eighty something and 371 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:45,439 Speaker 1: then when we did that, I think we had a 372 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 1: few more runs after that. And that's when I Charson 373 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: Nogden was like, hey, you know, going there for a halftime, 374 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: He's like, we're ad about one eighty and I'm like, 375 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 1: damn one eighty. He was like, we should just go 376 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: for the record. I said, that's on y'all and you 377 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: ray the troops and of course, you know, that's where 378 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 1: good veterans come in. And he went and talked to 379 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: Kavanaugh and Bill it and got them on board. And 380 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 1: then we came out the second half and they just 381 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 1: started feeding it. And the Cleveland Browns they just did 382 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: the defense. They were just when you you saw it 383 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,880 Speaker 1: in their eyes like it was over with. They didn't 384 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: want none of it. And it was like every time 385 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 1: you touched it, and it was like, wonder when you 386 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: watch watch Michael Jordan back in the day in the zone, 387 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: I wonder what that felt like, Like that's what it felt. Yeah, okay, good, 388 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: because that's that's that's what I felt like. It was 389 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:44,679 Speaker 1: like everything popping, everything, the timing right, offensive line, everything 390 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: is in sync. It's just everything to one accord, which 391 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: that's what you want right when you're playing, but rarely 392 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 1: do it all happen, and it happened that game. And 393 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: then every week we just build on that and build 394 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,360 Speaker 1: on that and you know, you facing seven an eight 395 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,880 Speaker 1: million box you know or whatever every week. So it was, 396 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: you know, everything had to be perfect. But they put 397 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: a good emphasis on the running game, which actually helps too. Yeah. 398 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I'm sure the lineman got good Christmas 399 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:14,360 Speaker 2: presents that year. 400 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, I'm sure you took care of 401 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: the boy. Yeah. I forgot what the why. I bought 402 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: them all watches or something. It wasn't no Rolex, And 403 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 1: I bought them all. 404 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 2: Watches different times, different times. 405 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. 406 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 2: Right, So with Derrick Henry almost you know, he leaves Tennessee, 407 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:34,360 Speaker 2: he's in Baltimore now and he's chasing two thousand yards. 408 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 2: You're getting a lot of attention, right, you know how 409 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 2: good does that feel? Because I mean, in your prime 410 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 2: at that time, you was, you was him. 411 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: Well yeah, it's it's good. It's good, especially with him 412 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 1: being at the Ravens, you know. And I knew when 413 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 1: they picked him up that it was perfect. I'm like, 414 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: what else do you need? But the biggest thing was hired. 415 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,400 Speaker 1: They're gonna use it. Yeah, and a big guy like him, 416 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,880 Speaker 1: you know, in a runner like him, a featured back 417 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: like he is. How do you spread this thing? Around 418 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: with you know, Lamar, Lamar got to get touches. Yeah, 419 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: he told touching every play, But what they do with 420 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:13,919 Speaker 1: it and how they do it that's the question. And 421 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: then also knowing that, you know, running like that, you 422 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,199 Speaker 1: need to be in the eye, you know, or whatever, 423 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: and he's an I style back, so how are they 424 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: going to do that? And it started out slow, but 425 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 1: then they picked up and now they're figuring it out 426 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 1: a little more. And you got the offense coordinator just 427 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: giving in to the run and saying, look, this is 428 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 1: what we got to do. We might not go out 429 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: here and they be you know, pretty, but at the 430 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 1: same time, we're gonna grind it out. That's gonna really 431 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,919 Speaker 1: help November December. But I like the attention. I like 432 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: talking about running the football. You know, the running back 433 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: position has been downgraded and devalue over the years too, 434 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: So it's good that we got you know, we have 435 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 1: in some of these conversations. We're gonna take a short 436 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: break and we'll be right back. 437 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 2: Know for me specifically, I don't think I knew when 438 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,719 Speaker 2: I was going to retire. I just figured I'd go 439 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 2: until I got injured, until the wills fall off and 440 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 2: That's exactly what happened going into my last season. 441 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,120 Speaker 1: Uh, TORMESL you will fill off. 442 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:17,199 Speaker 2: My will fall off. Literally my will fell off. So 443 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 2: I was like, uh, I'm thirty four, thirty five whatever. 444 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 2: No one's picking up a corner with the with the 445 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 2: torn acl So that led me to retire from the league. 446 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: In that two thousand and nine season. 447 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 2: Did you I think you said you knew going into 448 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 2: that season you were going to retire. 449 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 1: What led you to that decision? Well, I instet a 450 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 1: goal anyway, coming in ten years. I said I wanted 451 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: to play ten years. That was just the mark. I said, 452 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: that's what I wanted to do. And when I dig 453 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: I had a I got knocked out like the first 454 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 1: game and that kind of I had a little concussion 455 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 1: issue going on at that time. You didn't know about 456 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 1: no rescussion, but you just I'm just like, you know, 457 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,679 Speaker 1: going through week the week, and I end up going 458 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: to our about five games left in the season and 459 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: and I just you know, it was like, you know, 460 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: I think the doctor said something about, you know, were 461 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: worried about you twenty years from now or not right now? 462 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: And I was just like I said, ten years here 463 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 1: we going thirty, like, I'm done. You know, I'm just 464 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 1: I'm gonna just hang it up, you know, after the 465 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: season and and it was time. You know, I was 466 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: on my second team third season. Man, Genie was in Cleveland, 467 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: so you know, unless it was going somewhere else, I 468 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,479 Speaker 1: was like, I'm not gonna be here, you know, or whatever. 469 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,880 Speaker 1: But but I just, you know, I was done, man. 470 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,640 Speaker 1: I just it's you know, it's the training that is. 471 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,880 Speaker 1: It's not playing on Sunday. It's not playing on Sundays. 472 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: Sundays is good, dealing with the guys. Whether you win 473 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: little losing that that don't. That's not the issue. Is 474 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 1: it's when January hit well, shooting down it's later. But 475 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: you know when when off season hits, like, I jumped 476 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 1: right back into it, started training that process and started 477 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 1: getting building up, and I sacrificed everything, didn't do nothing, 478 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: you know, it was just all about getting ready for 479 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: the next season. And that's where that training with with 480 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:19,479 Speaker 1: Shannon Sharp as a sixteen seventeen year old kid, I 481 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 1: saw how they trained, I saw his mentality, I saw 482 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: what he did his routine, and I kind of followed 483 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: that and it was just sacrificing everything for that. And 484 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I got the ten 485 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: years of doing that. It's like like you're breaking your 486 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 1: body down to build it up, you know, and held 487 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: it up to break it down. Yeah. Yeah, and then 488 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 1: doing that, you know, year and year out. It's just 489 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: like I just couldn't see it going in to another 490 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: year doing that. You know. Now, were you at peace 491 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: when you made the decision to retire? You were you? 492 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: Just like, I think I'm good. I feel good about it. 493 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 2: No second thoughts, no regrets, no doubts. 494 00:24:56,280 --> 00:25:04,679 Speaker 1: Well I did. I did entertain the Saints probably probably 495 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: a few months before the season or something like that, 496 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 1: or maybe it was a little bit before the off season. Well, 497 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:13,120 Speaker 1: during the off season, I did entertain that. I went 498 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 1: down to visit and they just needed a big bag 499 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: for you know, short yardist goal line because I think 500 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: Reggie Bush was there at time, Pierre one of them cats. 501 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: But I did entertain it, and I remember sitting there 502 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:30,199 Speaker 1: with the GM at the time and he asked me, 503 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 1: you know, he asked me the question of like why, 504 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: like why, and I'm like why what? And he was 505 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 1: just like, well, why do you want to continue? You know? Playing? Wow? 506 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 1: You know, after ten years, why do you want the 507 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: team playing? And my answer was that you know, you 508 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 1: called me, so that's why I'm here. You know what 509 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,400 Speaker 1: I mean. You called me so that's why I'm here. 510 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. They didn't like that, and 511 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 1: it was like, you know, they didn't know if I 512 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 1: was going to buy into and that's that's when I said, 513 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: you know what, I'm really done. It wasn't inspiring. 514 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 2: Two been a great year to be there, though, Right, 515 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,360 Speaker 2: it's crazy you got your second ring. Then we might 516 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 2: not have Mike Bell and we might have some of 517 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 2: the guys, our big power guys would have been. 518 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 1: So no, that's it's crazy. I didn't even know that. 519 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, tell me this though, when did you get the 520 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 2: entrepreneurial buck? 521 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: My my dad? My dad, man, I can't remember being 522 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 1: a five six year old, seven year old kid laying 523 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: the ball of my dad and he would just be watching, 524 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 1: uh to get rich quick? You know, guy is talking 525 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: about commercial investing and flipping your houses and all this 526 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: type of stuff. And I just remember my dad. He 527 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: ended up he worked for the railroad and then he uh, 528 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,439 Speaker 1: he ended up returning and got a law shoot or 529 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 1: something with them, and he took his money and the 530 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,400 Speaker 1: first thing he went to bought was a bunch of houses. 531 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: And uh so when I was growing up, that's what 532 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 1: he did, you know, and that's what that was, this thing, 533 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: you know, so that's what I saw. Uh My mom 534 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,640 Speaker 1: was awarded at a prison, so she went to work 535 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: here nine to five every day, and then he would 536 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,919 Speaker 1: just be in and out doing his thing. And I 537 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 1: kind of liked that, you know, what he was doing, 538 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,159 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So so basically when I 539 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: first got into the league, you know, that's when I started, 540 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: you know, and even in college, I would be around 541 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: boosters and guys like that. They had businesses, and I 542 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 1: was more intrigued with what they were doing, you know, 543 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: and how they was making their money. You know, I'm 544 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: trying to get to the NFL, but they're doing something else, 545 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:47,719 Speaker 1: just trying to take dollars hands. I like it, the 546 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: n il So correction. So that's kind of how I 547 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: kind of got the bug. And when I did have 548 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,640 Speaker 1: some money to go and invest and do my thing, 549 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 1: that's when I got into logistics and kind of started 550 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: you know, buying, you know, doing different businesses and trying 551 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 1: to jump into it and I lost my answer a 552 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: bunch of times, and I won a couple of times. 553 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's just something about going 554 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 1: in and and bringing the pieces together and building a 555 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 1: business and then seeing it, you know, either thrive or 556 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 1: or not in understanding what you did wrong and trying 557 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: to go back to the drawing board. So uh, that's 558 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 1: that's pretty much where I got it from. 559 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 2: And you got a couple of them. Like so, I 560 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 2: never had the entrepreneur book, Entrepreneur buck like that just 561 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 2: that wasn't for me. Maybe as I get older, I'm 562 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 2: trying to, you know, be my own boss. Specifically for 563 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 2: this podcast, I try to be my own boss. But 564 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 2: we got a producer that is just like very himself, 565 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,479 Speaker 2: So I'm trying to be my own boss and produce 566 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 2: my own shows. 567 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: I'm trying to. 568 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 2: Get him over throwing his hands and yeah, yeah, Thomas, 569 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 2: I'm joking. But you got you got to of them. 570 00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 2: You got buyers connected in Southeast Exhibits. Can you talk 571 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 2: about or tell us what each of those companies does? 572 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: So Southeast Exhibits and Events, we basically do a design 573 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: and build trade show. Boots. 574 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 2: I saw that on your website, so I thought these 575 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 2: companies just did that themselves, oh not knowing. This is 576 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 2: like third partied out that it's just easier. 577 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're a third that's we're right, We're a 578 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: third party exhibit house. Yes, so you know some companies 579 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 1: they do do their own, okay, and they figure out 580 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: how hard it is and how much time goes into it. 581 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: So basically, we have the design team, we have everybody 582 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: to go and put the structure together. We got all 583 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: the components if it's if it's custom, we got wood 584 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 1: shop to build certain things whatever. We got the print 585 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: and the whole nine. So we deliver everything turn key 586 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,479 Speaker 1: to our customers so they don't have to really do that. 587 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: So design, build, set up, breakdown, storage, so all the 588 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: way through the whole cycle of them going to a show, 589 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: ending the show, and then going to their next show, 590 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: and we will position all of that. So you got 591 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 1: some companies that got three stout shows a year. You 592 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: got some companies got twenty five, thirty fifty shows a year. 593 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: So we'll pretty much manage their whole event process. You know, 594 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: one stop shop, Yeah, one stop shop. Yeah. The website 595 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: is awesome, dude. 596 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 2: It looks like when you know you're you're ordering like 597 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 2: the birthday situation for your your kids or you know, 598 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 2: you got the whole you know, the step and repeat background, 599 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 2: and you got the different options of what you want 600 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 2: to do here and this one and there. 601 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: It's pretty dope, I was. But yeah, but you got 602 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: some boost that up like one hundred by one hundred. 603 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: So you got big hanging signs, you got walls, and 604 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 1: we got frames. It's like legos, you know, you just 605 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 1: build them and you have certain components so you can 606 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: add your doors, you can add you know, whatever you 607 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: really want. Can we can do it if you got 608 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: the money to pay for it, Like, but you'd be 609 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 1: surprised that would company pay for their marketing. That's marketing, right. Yeah, 610 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: So you know some of these companies going to these shows, 611 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 1: who was writing million dollar pos? So that booth is 612 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: what draws that person into that customer and so we 613 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 1: basically take their idea, you know, from ideation all the 614 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: way to reality to the show and a buyer connected. 615 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: We basically I started that company around you know labor. 616 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: You know, we have a lot of labor. So retail, 617 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: big box retail. So we go in and do the 618 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: resets remodels, refreshes, and things of that nature. When they 619 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: want to change around. If you go into Lows and 620 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: they have the lumber department or the plumbing department, they 621 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 1: want to change certain bays around and move product here 622 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 1: or there. Because not selling. We will go in and 623 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 1: rearrange that whole department at night. So when you go 624 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 1: into a home depot and you see something that's different, 625 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: it's not the same place it was two weeks ago. 626 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 1: They change it up, which is in the app and 627 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: stuff now. But you know, we'll go in at night 628 00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 1: and execute that whole program. So we do the legit 629 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 1: six and everything else around that too, So making sure 630 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 1: the fixtures and everything get there. So like an Apple store, 631 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 1: you know, making sure that they have tables, they have 632 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 1: their wall, you know, units and things like that. I'm 633 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: not saying we do bitters with Apple, but at the 634 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 1: same time, it's a good picture. We most of us 635 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 1: have been into an Apple store, right, yes, So when 636 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 1: you see that, you know, speak, go and put it 637 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 1: out there for the people. 638 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 2: So when you walk into these meetings with these potential clients, 639 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 2: like what's the impression the first impression you you usually 640 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 2: get when they see you. 641 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 1: They well, the biggest barriers you gotta break, and being 642 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: a they don't really know. 643 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 2: They don't take you serious. Okay, do they know it's 644 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 2: you initially? Sometimes yeah, go yeah, because I. 645 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 1: Go, I go to LinkedIn, I know to them or whatever, 646 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 1: and I, you know, I hit them up and and 647 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 1: I try to make that connection and then get that 648 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: meeting or whatever. So it's one of the things where 649 00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: you can set the meeting, get the meeting, and I 650 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 1: might bring a partner or somebody within the space or whatever, 651 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: but sometimes I go by myself. But at the same time, 652 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 1: a lot of times they don't take you serious. They'll 653 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: ask you, you know, who am I supposed to be 654 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: talking to? 655 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 2: Or who do do I need to talk to? 656 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 1: And it's like you need to talk to me. But 657 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 1: once you get into the business and you started talking 658 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 1: about it and they know that you know what you're 659 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 1: talking about and you can answer the questions and this, 660 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: that and the other, and you're just not the face 661 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: or and all of that, then that's when you know 662 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 1: they kind of take you serious. But the first initial 663 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 1: thought is, you know, he's an athlete, you know whatever. 664 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: They look at what you did on the field and 665 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 1: this that and the other, and then it's your job 666 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: is now to flip that. You know, we can talk 667 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 1: about that, but then we flip it and then we're 668 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 1: gonna go into it. But at the same time, also 669 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 1: it's not like you're just gonna get business because of 670 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 1: who you are. Sometimes you can, but you got to 671 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: go and I prove that you work. Yeah right, yeah, 672 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 1: right right. 673 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 2: Do you ever just take time to sit back and just. 674 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 1: Look at yourself and sit down. I did that. 675 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 2: I accomplished this, like look at look at you know, 676 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 2: I come from homebole beginnings. You know my background. I 677 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 2: struggle a little bit. I made it through the struggle. 678 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 2: I came out and clean on the other side. Like 679 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 2: you ever, just take time to just sit back and 680 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 2: just say, oh man, this is I got it pretty good. 681 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 1: Right now, I'm feeling pretty blessed. Yeah. Well, you know, 682 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:31,359 Speaker 1: finishing up in two thousand and what nineteen and then, 683 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 1: you know, I had a truck and company at the 684 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:37,920 Speaker 1: time that was spiraling just because of bad management and 685 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 1: me not being there or whatever and retiring and then 686 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 1: now having to go and fix that and try to 687 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 1: fix that and jump into a business that you've been 688 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 1: you know, you've had for six years plus and it 689 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,880 Speaker 1: was doing great, and then you come to find out, oh, shoot, 690 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,360 Speaker 1: you know it's been mismanaged or whatever. Right, that was hard. 691 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 1: You know that was hard because you know it either way, 692 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 1: it ate away money, you know what I'm saying. And 693 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 1: then you get into other trouble because you got all 694 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 1: this equipment, you got all these assets, and somebody they 695 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 1: won't come and say, hey, look we need to get that, 696 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 1: you know, or whatever. But going through those financial struggles, 697 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 1: going through those those business struggles or whatever like it 698 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 1: took me back to football. It made me regroup to say, like, 699 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 1: you are two thousand yard Russia, you are a national champion, 700 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,839 Speaker 1: you are a Super Bowl champion. You have been instilled 701 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 1: a lot of different things. Now you got to use it. 702 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 1: And that's when I looked myself in the mirror and 703 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:42,239 Speaker 1: regroup and basically started applying a lot of that. Now. 704 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 1: It took about ten years for me to rebuild, but 705 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 1: at the same time, I just stayed with it, sacrificed, 706 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,359 Speaker 1: worked hard, dedicated myself to it. And then next thing 707 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 1: you know, it just started, it started turning. So, you know, 708 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 1: I've had a lot of businesses, but these are two 709 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 1: that it's stuck, you know what I'm saying. And I 710 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 1: found too that stuck and then I just kept working 711 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 1: at them. But you know, it's it's one of the 712 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 1: things where now I look back at it because football, 713 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,279 Speaker 1: I made a lot of money playing football, and it's 714 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: it's great. But I didn't think about money while I 715 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 1: was playing football because I love to play the sport 716 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 1: and I could do it for free. But at the 717 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,920 Speaker 1: same time, when you go out and you start a 718 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 1: business and you start earning capital and you got somebody 719 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,279 Speaker 1: that like your product or your service, that's more gratifying 720 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,799 Speaker 1: to me, honestly, And uh that's now I look at 721 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 1: myself and say, you've you know, you've done it, you know, 722 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 1: and just keep doing it. 723 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,799 Speaker 2: It's crazy how you take more pride in making the 724 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 2: dollar this way than when you were just playing football. 725 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,799 Speaker 1: You like, did I did that for free? I didn't 726 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 1: think of it that way. 727 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:51,439 Speaker 2: But going out and earning the dollar another way where 728 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,120 Speaker 2: I'm doing it from a business point, how much more 729 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,719 Speaker 2: pride you're taking that naturally, Just hearing you talk about 730 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,279 Speaker 2: that's really interesting. 731 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 1: And just building it up and you know, it's like 732 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 1: jumping into another industry of going to do another thing. 733 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 1: Like you know, you went from from youth football to 734 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 1: middle school football, to high school to college and every 735 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 1: step was a different one and you had to get 736 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 1: in there and get your angle and figure out how 737 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,279 Speaker 1: you're going to fit in. And I think that after 738 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,359 Speaker 1: retiring from football, you got to do the same thing 739 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: because you ain't play football no more. Yeah, so now 740 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 1: let's go, let's get over here this lane, and let's 741 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:28,360 Speaker 1: go try to be successful. 742 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:33,279 Speaker 2: So in twenty eighteen in a Bleacher Report article, you 743 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,360 Speaker 2: said in the interview that you a battle with depression 744 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,319 Speaker 2: and suicide and wasn't sure how you'd feel in five, ten, 745 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:40,360 Speaker 2: fifteen years from that. 746 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,719 Speaker 1: That was in twenty eighteen. It's been six years. How 747 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,720 Speaker 1: do you feel. I feel good, man, I feel good. 748 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,239 Speaker 1: But I think knowing and learning how to cope with 749 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:56,319 Speaker 1: those things depression and you know, the thoughts that I've had, 750 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 1: and a lot of that was when stuff hit the fan, 751 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 1: you know, whatever, and it's a deep dive. That's when 752 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,959 Speaker 1: you start having those current thoughts whatever. But you know, now, 753 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 1: that's why, you know, with business it's so helpful and 754 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 1: it's like therapy because when I can go out and 755 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:14,880 Speaker 1: I can sell a deal or I can get a 756 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,719 Speaker 1: deal closed. That's a when you know what I mean, 757 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,640 Speaker 1: and some of my worst days or when you know 758 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,400 Speaker 1: you're not getting some of them wins and it's passing 759 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,359 Speaker 1: you by, or the economy is down, or you know, 760 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,319 Speaker 1: nobody spending money and you know it's at a hole, 761 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 1: and that's when you kind of got to realize where 762 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,160 Speaker 1: you're at and know how to address it. And that's 763 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 1: that's that's hard. But now I feel I feel pretty good, 764 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,440 Speaker 1: you know whatever. But I still deal with certain things. 765 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,560 Speaker 1: But it's knowing how to deal with it. And I 766 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,759 Speaker 1: got good family and friends and people like that, and 767 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,919 Speaker 1: the good support and cast around me, so that's helpful. Yeah, 768 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,600 Speaker 1: I've had a lot of people. I've had a great 769 00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:58,600 Speaker 1: supporting cast. 770 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,920 Speaker 2: Helped me in my life and through my ups and downs, 771 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,960 Speaker 2: my successes, my failures. I've always had my crew of 772 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,960 Speaker 2: people kind of right there next to me. If you 773 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 2: had four people to pick on Mount Rushmore, who would 774 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 2: those four people be that has helped you get to 775 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:14,480 Speaker 2: where you are today? 776 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,040 Speaker 1: I had to say my mom, I had to say 777 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,400 Speaker 1: my dad, my mom. She was always just there, you 778 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,480 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like then, no matter what, Yeah, 779 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,040 Speaker 1: and you know, rubbing my legs down when I'm tired, 780 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,400 Speaker 1: or in you know, running track in high school, or 781 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,279 Speaker 1: I wanted a new pair of shoes or whatever. She 782 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,680 Speaker 1: was gonna make sure that happened. My dad, because he 783 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,320 Speaker 1: threw me out the car and made me go play football, 784 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,080 Speaker 1: got me out of the house, and you know, provided 785 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,000 Speaker 1: made sure that I had everything I needed in order 786 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,480 Speaker 1: to be successful with my brother, because he just instilled 787 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,680 Speaker 1: hardworking me and how to go out there and outwork 788 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,240 Speaker 1: your opponent and outwork your teammates and do things different. 789 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,920 Speaker 1: And I would say my high school coach because he 790 00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,320 Speaker 1: basically got me to start running track. And he actually, 791 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,479 Speaker 1: you know, was one of those guys that you didn't 792 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 1: want to disappoint and you saw him every day at school, 793 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,520 Speaker 1: so you had to behave at school. You had to 794 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,759 Speaker 1: make good grades because he was going to approach you. 795 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,359 Speaker 1: And he just he saw something in me early on 796 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,879 Speaker 1: that I didn't and he was just like he put 797 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,919 Speaker 1: me in that, you know, that category. And because I remember, 798 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:22,400 Speaker 1: I asked him like why, you know, why can't I 799 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,120 Speaker 1: go to camps? Why can't I go here there? You 800 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,400 Speaker 1: know that these are these little deals, and he was 801 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,480 Speaker 1: like you know, because you recruited by everybody, you know, 802 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:31,960 Speaker 1: I mean, you can go there to college you want 803 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,239 Speaker 1: to go to. So honestly, like, why go to that? 804 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,400 Speaker 1: Because he said, I know your I know your weaknesses. 805 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,440 Speaker 1: They don't, so why go out there show you know 806 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,879 Speaker 1: what I mean? So he told me that later on too, 807 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,120 Speaker 1: so it was like I was like, Okay, that's why. 808 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:50,359 Speaker 1: But but yeah, but those are the four. Those are 809 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,040 Speaker 1: good four. I love it. 810 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,279 Speaker 2: Hey, man, we appreciate you coming on the show. 811 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,520 Speaker 1: This is a good conversation. Yeah, man, I never got 812 00:40:58,520 --> 00:40:59,440 Speaker 1: the chance to meet you up. 813 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,200 Speaker 2: I just know you from a far for a very 814 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,680 Speaker 2: long time, from Tennessee, being a you know, being from 815 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,319 Speaker 2: Alabama growing up in the SEC. Seeing you have a 816 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,760 Speaker 2: great college career, continue to dominate right through the NFL, 817 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:15,600 Speaker 2: sharing great stories, personal stories, even your trials and tribulations, 818 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,799 Speaker 2: and being on the other side of it, hey being 819 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,320 Speaker 2: a check his website the trade show stuff. I definitely legit. 820 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,680 Speaker 2: I remember reading about it. I just never did I 821 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,759 Speaker 2: didn't go to the Honesty website. Last night, bro, I 822 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:31,439 Speaker 2: was just like, man, this is nice. We like, very nice. 823 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:31,640 Speaker 1: Man. 824 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,879 Speaker 2: I appreciate you, no man doubt man, And hey, look 825 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:36,680 Speaker 2: just keep doing your thing, keep staying on this side 826 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:36,800 Speaker 2: of it. 827 00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:36,960 Speaker 1: Man. 828 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,760 Speaker 2: We appreciate you for pouring into us, and hopefully everybody 829 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,239 Speaker 2: else will see this and we'll continue to pour into 830 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,120 Speaker 2: Jamal and everything else that he has going on, and 831 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:44,879 Speaker 2: he will continue to. 832 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:45,600 Speaker 1: Pour out to us. 833 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,000 Speaker 2: For all of our viewers and listeners out there, Thank 834 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:49,239 Speaker 2: you guys for always tuning in. 835 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,000 Speaker 1: Make sure you give us a five star rating. 836 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:55,040 Speaker 2: Wherever you pick up your podcast was iHeartRadio Apple podcast? 837 00:41:55,120 --> 00:42:00,680 Speaker 2: Give us a like, review, comment, subscribe anything else. 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