WEBVTT - A Postpartum Check-up with Jess Higgins

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<v Speaker 1>This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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<v Speaker 2>Hello everyone, welcome to the Almost Famous podcast. Today Guess

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<v Speaker 2>what I Am joined by Ben Higgins Surprise and his

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful wife, Jessica Clark Higgins. We wanted to do a

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<v Speaker 2>little catch up about parenthood about one month in So

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<v Speaker 2>Hello guys, Ben, Welcome to your podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>It's been a long time since I've been here. Thanks

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<v Speaker 3>for the invite.

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<v Speaker 2>So first off, jess how are you feeling emotionally physically

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<v Speaker 2>about a month after giving birth?

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<v Speaker 4>Physically, I feel, honestly pretty much one hundred percent. I

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<v Speaker 4>definitely get tired faster than I did before I was

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<v Speaker 4>pregnant or had a baby, but I'm all healed for

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<v Speaker 4>the most part. I'm not in diapers anymore. I can

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<v Speaker 4>walk for like an hour at a time, which is

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<v Speaker 4>really great and amazing for my mental health because the

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<v Speaker 4>mental health piece of postpartum is a lot harder for me.

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<v Speaker 4>I've had a lot more anxiety than I thought I would,

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<v Speaker 4>a lot more emotional than I normally am.

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<v Speaker 3>Why did you look at me when you said that?

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<v Speaker 5>Because I've been more emotional.

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<v Speaker 2>Because you can vouch for her, yeah, yeah, I'll support her.

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<v Speaker 2>And say yes, is he looking at you thinking you

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<v Speaker 2>haven't been more emotional or has he been Like.

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<v Speaker 6>It's up to you to answer this both.

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<v Speaker 7>Okay, I don't know what I expected. I expected that

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<v Speaker 7>postpartum to be hard emotionally. I thought it'd be harder physically,

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<v Speaker 7>like Jess's was walking a week later and like we go,

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<v Speaker 7>we just got back from a family walk and like

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<v Speaker 7>we can walk pretty far.

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<v Speaker 3>She could walk for as long as she wants.

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<v Speaker 7>I feel like at this point, amazing, Yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 7>the emotions are are all over the place. I think

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<v Speaker 7>she thinks they're worse than they are. I think she

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<v Speaker 7>carries this like feeling that it's she's been a monster

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<v Speaker 7>she has.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm such a head case, which like I normally am

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<v Speaker 4>not at all, And I think that a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>that does have to do with the postpartum emotions. And

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<v Speaker 4>I am exclusively breastfeeding, and everyone has told me that

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<v Speaker 4>like with your milk, and it changes every day, so

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<v Speaker 4>your hormones and emotions change every day. And I've definitely

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<v Speaker 4>felt that, like some days I'll be totally normal and

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<v Speaker 4>fine and chill, and some days I'm like so controlling

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<v Speaker 4>or like I don't want to leave Winny or I

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<v Speaker 4>just get like nervous about little things, and there's I

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<v Speaker 4>have no idea how I'm going to wake up every morning, honestly.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, so breastfeeding isn't something that I did, so

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<v Speaker 2>I never I never got to experience the emotions that

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<v Speaker 2>go with it. I do think that it's it affects

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<v Speaker 2>you a lot, such a job that you are doing,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're providing for sweet Winny, so you're just just

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<v Speaker 2>know that, like every day you're doing so much, and like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that like it's just going to take a

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<v Speaker 2>toll on your body, emotionally, physically, all of it. So

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<v Speaker 2>don't ever feel you know that, I mean you you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you know that you're doing an amazing job. So even

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<v Speaker 2>if you're feeling down, just know that, like you're killing it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do think that that probably does make it

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<v Speaker 2>a prostpartum more of an emotional experience.

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<v Speaker 4>I've heard that it does. I mean, obviously I don't

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<v Speaker 4>know either because I haven't not breastfed yet, but I

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<v Speaker 4>think that no matter what you do, when you have

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<v Speaker 4>a baby, you just change emotionally for a while, but

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<v Speaker 4>every day gets better.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I mean, I think it's I mean, I've seen

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<v Speaker 7>moments where it definitely feels like it's it's unhealthy. Like

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<v Speaker 7>There's been very few, but a few moments where I'm like,

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<v Speaker 7>she's not in a healthy place, something like she's not

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<v Speaker 7>processing things. Well that those are very few. There's there's

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<v Speaker 7>another side of it. I think that I've seen where

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<v Speaker 7>this like concern and she's not overly concerned. I'm definitely though,

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<v Speaker 7>like less concerned than she is, which was a shock.

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<v Speaker 3>To both of us.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we asked you that question on the pre parent

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<v Speaker 2>podcast episode, and we thought that you would be the

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<v Speaker 2>nervous one.

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<v Speaker 3>No, very much, like not as nervous, but but there's

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<v Speaker 3>this cool thing.

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<v Speaker 7>So my point was, I think what Jess is going

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<v Speaker 7>through as a mom is actually like really beautiful because

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<v Speaker 7>she's more nervous, because she's alert, because she thinks about Winnie.

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<v Speaker 7>Like I don't expect that to continue in the way

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<v Speaker 7>that it is right now for ever. But what I

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<v Speaker 7>think it's I think it's a really cool way that

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<v Speaker 7>like our bodies or her body is like bringing out

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<v Speaker 7>this like motherly like instinct and love and care and like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>at first when you start to feel these things and

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<v Speaker 7>worry you're gonna feel crazy because it's all so new,

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<v Speaker 7>But as you get like in a rhythm and it

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<v Speaker 7>becomes more of.

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<v Speaker 3>A second nature to you.

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<v Speaker 7>I think what we're experiencing is like Jessica's body like

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<v Speaker 7>building up this like mom instinct, and I think it's

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<v Speaker 7>cool but not always easy, Like, yeah, you're gonna wake

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<v Speaker 7>up in the middle night freaking out, like thinking something

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<v Speaker 7>bad is happening to Lenny when she's just snoozing. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>I mean I've seen a lot of just change in

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<v Speaker 7>just like for the better, just becoming a mom.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say, do you feel like moments where

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<v Speaker 2>you're like I am experiencing postparum depression, post part anxiety,

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<v Speaker 2>or do you think it's baby blues somewhere maybe in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle.

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<v Speaker 4>The first two weeks, I was like, this is postpartum anxiety.

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<v Speaker 4>I like had the shakes, I couldn't eat, I was

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<v Speaker 4>like sobbing at everything, Like when he turned seven days

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<v Speaker 4>old and I like lost it.

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<v Speaker 5>I was like, there's no way she can be a

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<v Speaker 5>week old.

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<v Speaker 3>That's one of the moments that I was thinking of

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<v Speaker 3>when I was like, this is help.

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<v Speaker 4>I like went to the post office for literally fifteen

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<v Speaker 4>minutes and like had separation anxiety. Like I I was

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<v Speaker 4>anxious and my body was responding in an anxious way.

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<v Speaker 4>But after those first like two or three weeks, I

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<v Speaker 4>haven't had as much of that. Like I am feeling

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<v Speaker 4>anxious all the time. I have moments where I get

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<v Speaker 4>nervous or I get anxious, but.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't think I have like postpartum depression.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't even think I have the baby blues as

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<v Speaker 4>much as I just I never worried about anything, probably

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<v Speaker 4>to a fault before I had a where like honestly,

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<v Speaker 4>I just let been worry about everything, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 4>if he's not worried, I'm not worried.

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<v Speaker 5>And now it's kind of flipped a little bit.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh that's hilarious. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So I would say that I probably had the baby

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<v Speaker 2>blues with Dawson, but it wasn't blues because I wasn't sad.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just everything. I was overcome by emotion, like

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<v Speaker 2>you for everything. A lot of it was everything is perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a perfect little baby, and my family around me,

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<v Speaker 2>who's supporting me and living with us right now is happy, healthy, safe,

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<v Speaker 2>Like life can get better than this. So one is

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<v Speaker 2>then the shoe gonna drop. Like that was my constant

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<v Speaker 2>anxiety that.

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<v Speaker 4>Is so real every time something bad happens to her,

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<v Speaker 4>or not even bad. Every time she spits up, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 4>she has a stomach bug, like she has to because

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<v Speaker 4>nothing bad has happened yet, so like something has to

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<v Speaker 4>go wrong.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I totally really that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And then I mean, good for you on healing

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<v Speaker 2>so quickly. I was a little bit more of the opposite,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I felt pretty mentally good, like right off the bat.

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<v Speaker 2>It's because I hated being pregnant, so like it was

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<v Speaker 2>sweet relief.

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<v Speaker 6>And then my body like I couldn't. I don't know

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<v Speaker 6>what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>You were more torn than me, so tm I but

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<v Speaker 2>like I couldn't stand for more than five minutes for

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<v Speaker 2>like three weeks, like I'd be washing bottles, like just

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<v Speaker 2>moving every little direction, being like okay, I'm so uncomfortable

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<v Speaker 2>right now.

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<v Speaker 4>I started to do pelvic floor physical therapy before I

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<v Speaker 4>had her, and I helped me so much with just

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<v Speaker 4>like getting my muscles back, okay, like the standing muscles

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<v Speaker 4>and like even going to the bathroom and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 5>I feel like that was so helpful.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't know what yeah, what, Yeah, I mean I

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<v Speaker 7>think Jess wouldn't say it, but like you got we

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<v Speaker 7>got to give her a lot of credit. Like she

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<v Speaker 7>was doing not intense workouts, but she was working out

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<v Speaker 7>up until like, oh yeah, the day of like childbirth,

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<v Speaker 7>and then she like really prepped her body to recover

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<v Speaker 7>physically in a really good way without overdoing it. Like

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<v Speaker 7>it wasn't like this crazy amount of like hour long exercises,

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<v Speaker 7>but it was like just doing something throughout the day

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<v Speaker 7>up until when he was born and.

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<v Speaker 3>Then even after.

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<v Speaker 7>I think has been not only impressive, but it would

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<v Speaker 7>probably be something like in the little amount of advice

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<v Speaker 7>I have for anybody you know that's entering into the stage,

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<v Speaker 7>like it would be advice I would give is if

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<v Speaker 7>you're up for it, like try your best to get

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<v Speaker 7>like physically healthy before so that you bounce back afterwards,

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<v Speaker 7>you know quickly.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, and here's what happened is everyone prepared me for

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<v Speaker 4>the physical piece of postpart and they're like, you're gonna tear,

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<v Speaker 4>like you're gonna have a hard time standing and walking.

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<v Speaker 4>So in my brain, I spent my whole pregnancy like

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<v Speaker 4>preparing my it, and I totally neglected my mind, like

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<v Speaker 4>what would happen when I mentally became a mom? And

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<v Speaker 4>so I think that, yeah, my body has been good,

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<v Speaker 4>which thank god, because my mind's been a disaster. But

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<v Speaker 4>next time, I would definitely maybe start like some talk

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<v Speaker 4>therapy sooner something.

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<v Speaker 2>when I was pregnant with Dawson, I did a ton

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<v Speaker 6>I'll say that in.

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty much both my products and says, I didn't really

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<v Speaker 2>feel feel like that I could. It's particularly with Dawson,

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<v Speaker 2>but with Hayden, I it was summertime when I was

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<v Speaker 2>in my third trimester, So swimming was really really great

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<v Speaker 2>and it's almost like, I don't want to say everybody

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<v Speaker 2>can go swim, but like you'll feel really great afterward.

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<v Speaker 2>If you think that working out's not for you being pregnant,

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<v Speaker 2>try swimming. It really makes you feel awesome. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So what about peeing your pants? Have you been doing that?

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<v Speaker 8>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>How long did you need to be in diapers for?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I had to wear a pad for like three

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<v Speaker 2>months post Dawson because I would leak at like the

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<v Speaker 2>sound of a faucet, like somebody could fill up a

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<v Speaker 2>bathtub and I would be like, I'm I have a

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<v Speaker 2>full stream coming out. I had no control over that

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<v Speaker 2>area for a while. And then I did M Sculpt,

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<v Speaker 2>which really helped with those muscles, and then I started

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<v Speaker 2>to get better and with hate in the recovery of

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<v Speaker 2>those muscles was even faster, which I was surprised I

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<v Speaker 2>thought would be the opposite.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I well, first of all, I want to talk

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<v Speaker 4>to you about M sculpt because I am interested in

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<v Speaker 4>that post party, but I also I haven't had any leaking.

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<v Speaker 5>Actually I was in diapers because I bled for like

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<v Speaker 5>three and a half weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's typical. I said, three and a half weeks

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<v Speaker 2>is probably the average.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, that makes me feel good because I was like,

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<v Speaker 4>this is going on forever, but I haven't had any

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<v Speaker 4>leakage yet. But I feel like I haven't really like

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<v Speaker 4>sneezed or anything, so I'm sure it's coming.

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<v Speaker 2>No, your public floor therapy that you were doing on

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<v Speaker 2>your own was obviously very effective.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it helped me a ton, and I do

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<v Speaker 4>it every night now still, and I'll start going in

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<v Speaker 4>person when I after six weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, so I've never done it in person because

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, I don't need anybody else looking at

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<v Speaker 2>my chascha.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm over this, I know, but I you know, I

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<v Speaker 4>like to run, yeah, and I don't want to Maybe

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<v Speaker 4>one day I want to run again. Right now, I

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<v Speaker 4>feel like I really don't, but maybe one day I will.

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<v Speaker 5>And I don't want to pack my pants the whole

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<v Speaker 5>time I run.

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<v Speaker 6>Ah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because if I go on a trampoline with Dawson,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, Hi, I am peeing everyone around me, Hi,

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<v Speaker 2>I am peeing.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, still on a trampoline, Yeah, I'll dribble and like

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<v Speaker 2>on the dance floor at Tanya's wedding, there was like

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<v Speaker 2>a song where you all.

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<v Speaker 6>Like jump jump jump.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>I was like, yeah, I'm dribbling on the dance floor.

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<v Speaker 2>So I mean I should probably have someone else look

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<v Speaker 2>at my jacha and actually go to public floor therapy.

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<v Speaker 2>But M sculpt has been very helpful for both times.

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<v Speaker 2>And M sculpt actually has another device. I'm forgetting what

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<v Speaker 2>it's called now, but a man of Stanton used it

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<v Speaker 2>and you actually sit on the device. It's non invasive,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't go up your body, and you sit on

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<v Speaker 2>it and it really does those muscles rather than the

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<v Speaker 2>ab which has the secondary effect on the pelvic floor muscles.

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<v Speaker 5>That's interesting. Passive, that's kind of nice.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh yeah, same totally.

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<v Speaker 2>So maybe it just doesn't affect me on a daily

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm telling you, trampoline's dancing, jumping on a dance floor,

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<v Speaker 2>those are like the only two things, so it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>really affect my life.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Slide for Ashley.

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<v Speaker 2>What has been surprising to you guys as new parents?

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<v Speaker 2>Anything that people didn't prep you for?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you want to go first on this?

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<v Speaker 7>I think I think a lot of what I expected

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<v Speaker 7>with a baby.

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<v Speaker 3>I think people I mean, when he has.

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<v Speaker 7>Been an incredible baby, like she is a queen in

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<v Speaker 7>this house.

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<v Speaker 3>She is so sweet. She fusses when she like look.

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<v Speaker 6>At this, hello'sly angel face.

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<v Speaker 2>So she's got a great face, Like this is not

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<v Speaker 2>me being your friend. She's got like and she's becoming

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<v Speaker 2>like awake, an alert, and like you can see her face,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not just an out of the uterus face.

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<v Speaker 7>She stared at me last night and I stared back

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<v Speaker 7>for like a long time and it was just like heavenly,

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<v Speaker 7>which is wild to talk about. But so I I

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<v Speaker 7>know that we've been lucky when it comes to our

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<v Speaker 7>daughter and her ability to sleep, her ability to communicate

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<v Speaker 7>like that she's hungry or she's cold, and that's really

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<v Speaker 7>the only time she like fusses.

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<v Speaker 6>You guys, you trigger me, trigger me, deep, we.

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<v Speaker 5>Trigger all parents.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I say that with a caveat like we've been

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<v Speaker 7>lucky in that, like we didn't do anything to like

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<v Speaker 7>have this happen.

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<v Speaker 3>It just happened. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, So I think a little bit of it was

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<v Speaker 7>the fear of how hard.

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<v Speaker 3>This was going to be.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, it's been less difficult than I mentally was preparing

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<v Speaker 7>myself for. I think is one thing I've been surprised by.

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<v Speaker 7>I think the side of that. The other side of

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<v Speaker 7>that is I don't think people prepared us correctly in

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<v Speaker 7>the sense of like she needs pretty much like twenty

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<v Speaker 7>four to seven care, like somebody needs to be watching Whinnie.

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<v Speaker 7>She needs to be like somebody needs to be making

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<v Speaker 7>sure that she's like, you know, not laying on her

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<v Speaker 7>pacifier in her eye like those types of things.

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<v Speaker 3>And I didn't expect that.

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<v Speaker 7>But I do think Jessica and I both read enough,

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<v Speaker 7>listened enough to advice and from others to be well prepared.

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<v Speaker 3>At least me personally.

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<v Speaker 7>I've been less worried about her, like it's crazy, but

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<v Speaker 7>like I see her doing things that like, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>she's fussing, Like I could sit with her crying on

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<v Speaker 7>me for an hour if that was healthy, without like overreacting.

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<v Speaker 7>And I thought I would be like a nerve and

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<v Speaker 7>I'm just not. I know she's gonna be okay. So

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<v Speaker 7>that's been surprising for me. In a response, that's.

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<v Speaker 4>Been surprising for me that he how chill he's been

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<v Speaker 4>about literally everything, and how I'm chill I've been because

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<v Speaker 4>I thought I really knew babies.

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<v Speaker 2>The mother response to crying is totally different than the

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<v Speaker 2>father's response. I don't know if you've felt this.

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<v Speaker 5>Definitely like a body response when she.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I can't handle it, like absolutely, no way. I

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<v Speaker 2>think maybe we talked about this when you guys came

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<v Speaker 2>on for your like one week recap. But like Jared

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<v Speaker 2>can think like, oh, he'll be fine. He's crying in

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<v Speaker 2>the crip for five minutes. We're only doing it for

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<v Speaker 2>five minutes, and I'm.

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<v Speaker 6>Like, I have to leave. There's a frenzy going on

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<v Speaker 6>in my body.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, your body responds differently, I think when you're the

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<v Speaker 4>mom and I, yeah, I've just been surprised by that

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<v Speaker 4>because I'm I'm normally a pretty chill person, but I

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<v Speaker 4>just have no chill when it comes to her.

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<v Speaker 7>Jessica's getting more sleep than me right now, which is crazy.

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<v Speaker 4>She gives me five and a half hours and then

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<v Speaker 4>she'll go back to sleep for four more hours.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So, like this is what triggers me, and I

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<v Speaker 2>like say it with humor because like I think the

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<v Speaker 2>word trigger is kind of like funny and like absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>overviews and ridiculous. But like you, guys, I have an

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<v Speaker 2>eight month old and he gives me well, on average,

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<v Speaker 2>two hours, no, no, And then on a good night,

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<v Speaker 2>like last night was a good night, and he went

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<v Speaker 2>from two to five thirty yeah, three and a half hours,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was like.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh my gosh, just he alive. Yeah, Dawson was better

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<v Speaker 6>at this age.

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<v Speaker 2>But then when the like five month regression happens, he

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<v Speaker 2>regressed for like ten months.

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<v Speaker 7>Love.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, he was better, like he would sleep.

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<v Speaker 2>For like maybe four or five hour stretches at this point,

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<v Speaker 2>at the point that you're at now. But like, my

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<v Speaker 2>kids just don't sleep, like they're just not good sleepers,

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<v Speaker 2>hating it's particularly an awful sleeper. Every kid and every

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<v Speaker 2>pregnancy and every delivery is different, and that is what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm learning.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we didn't do any like no, we're lucky.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but no, yeah, you didn't like sleep train and

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<v Speaker 2>it's not like that she just happens to sleep.

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<v Speaker 6>For five hours no. Yeah, And I'm happy for you, guys,

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<v Speaker 6>it's very nice. I'm truly happy for you.

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<v Speaker 7>Jessica is doing some training though, like she is on

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<v Speaker 7>a plan in a pretty tight schedule.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, we're on.

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<v Speaker 4>A tight schedule, and I think that's been helpful with

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<v Speaker 4>her just kind of being chill.

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<v Speaker 5>She knows when to expect that she's getting things.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so she knows when to expect to feed and like,

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<v Speaker 2>and now when did you start getting on that schedule?

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<v Speaker 5>Two weeks?

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<v Speaker 7>Like she knows what she's going to be playing, Like

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<v Speaker 7>when she needs to stay awake, she knows like fifteen

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<v Speaker 7>minutes four feeding time, Like she starts to get fussy,

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<v Speaker 7>it's wild, Like she really like you, she'll know she

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<v Speaker 7>knows what she's supposed to be doing at every moment

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<v Speaker 7>of the day.

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<v Speaker 6>Right, do you have the most highly intellectual child ever?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes?

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<v Speaker 11>Wow, she's so advanced to wow, she can't keep her passing.

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<v Speaker 11>Don't you love that that at that age that the

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<v Speaker 11>pacifier is just gigantic on their face?

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<v Speaker 6>This thing so funny.

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<v Speaker 5>So sweet.

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<v Speaker 6>All right, well, we're happy to hear that.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys, you know that you are recovering so well

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<v Speaker 2>physically that you know you might need some more time

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<v Speaker 2>to get there emotionally and mentally.

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<v Speaker 6>But we're here for you. And you have the best

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<v Speaker 6>husband who is there for you as well. I do.

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<v Speaker 5>He's been the best. He's been so supportive.

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<v Speaker 4>He makes me feel normal when I am having a

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<v Speaker 4>hard time feeling normal.

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<v Speaker 5>He's loved me insanely well when I probably don't deserve it.

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<v Speaker 4>He's such a good dad too. Watching bim be a

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<v Speaker 4>dad is like the coolest thing in the whole world.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I just like I get like I mean, I

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<v Speaker 7>obviously my role right now is very limited, but today

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<v Speaker 7>I had a really busy day Jess. I was like,

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<v Speaker 7>I want to hold Winny, and so jess brought her in.

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<v Speaker 7>I was holding her, and all of a sudden, I

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<v Speaker 7>was like, I haven't done anything in twenty minutes.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I just like, it's wild how.

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<v Speaker 7>Peaceful it is just to stare at her. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 7>it's been a very peaceful season for me. So I

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<v Speaker 7>think in closing here, because I know we're going to

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<v Speaker 7>close up like there. I think we talked about it

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<v Speaker 7>at the one week like kind of follow up, but

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<v Speaker 7>I didn't reckon. I don't think I could put words

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<v Speaker 7>to it then. But like for many reasons, Jessica and

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<v Speaker 7>I started to get we we had a good lot.

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<v Speaker 3>We had a good thing.

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<v Speaker 7>Going here right with a dog and a good house,

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<v Speaker 7>and we loved our walks and our dinners, and I

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<v Speaker 7>got really worried towards the end of Justice's pregnancy that

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<v Speaker 7>that was all going to change in a drastic way.

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<v Speaker 7>And I didn't realize how like stressed I was about that.

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<v Speaker 7>But honestly, for the last five weeks, like things have changed,

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<v Speaker 7>but only for the better, Like our dog loves winning,

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<v Speaker 7>and like when I saw when I saw them together,

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<v Speaker 7>obviously I broke down for the first time. Like I

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<v Speaker 7>think I just was feeling so much stressed that I

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<v Speaker 7>didn't realize that like once I see life being so beautiful.

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<v Speaker 7>Now I'm like in a really cool season of like

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<v Speaker 7>peace and joy and like every day I wake up

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<v Speaker 7>just feeling this like enormous amount of like gratitude and

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<v Speaker 7>so that's.

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<v Speaker 3>Been cool for me.

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<v Speaker 7>And I didn't realize how stressed I was until like

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<v Speaker 7>a couple of weeks ago when I told Jessa was like,

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<v Speaker 7>I haven't felt this kind of peace in so long,

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<v Speaker 7>and I'm just loving this, Like so yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 7>I don't know even with the hard stuff, it's like

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<v Speaker 7>but we're still doing it together and life's better and

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<v Speaker 7>I'm happy and we're going to make.

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<v Speaker 3>This thing work.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's normalize Dad pre pre labor stress, because like, guys

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<v Speaker 2>have so much stress leading up to it, and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think they're very vocal about it because they feel

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<v Speaker 2>guilty about it. They're like, she's carried the child for

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<v Speaker 2>nine months. Why do I have to pumplain it's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>come out of her body?

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<v Speaker 7>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But Jared had the exact same thing before Hayden.

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<v Speaker 2>He was so stressed about it and then he you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the baby's there, and you're like, oh, I can relax.

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<v Speaker 6>But guys, you know, like.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a real thing.

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<v Speaker 7>It is like and what you just said is exactly right,

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<v Speaker 7>Like you don't want to start bringing it up because

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<v Speaker 7>you're like, this is this is unnecessary, like this is crazy.

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<v Speaker 7>And then it's just been five weeks of not like

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<v Speaker 7>all easy, but it's been peace and excitement and joy

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<v Speaker 7>and and I'm really grateful for that because I was

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<v Speaker 7>I think I was carrying it for a long time.

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<v Speaker 6>M hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, I'm so glad we did this, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>so happy for you guys, and I truly am happy

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<v Speaker 2>for your sleep. It's really really great, especially if you're

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<v Speaker 2>having anxiety, Like I want you to have the mental rest.

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<v Speaker 6>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I'm very grateful for it.

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<v Speaker 4>We have.

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<v Speaker 5>We have some big ones with little Winny over here?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah here, so say goodbye? Is me close by?

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<v Speaker 5>Whinny?

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<v Speaker 2>So cute? Your so?

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<v Speaker 6>She's seriously so cute.

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<v Speaker 3>She is so cute.

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<v Speaker 6>Hold her up one more Time's.

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<v Speaker 3>The best family picture with me? Let me get let

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<v Speaker 3>me not choke you? Why I do this?

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<v Speaker 6>There you go so cute.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh the guys are going to be really good. I

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<v Speaker 2>know this all right, Well, guys, thank you. Until next time.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been Ashley and I've been Ben, I've been Jess

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<v Speaker 2>and

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