1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. 2 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 2: What is up, treat Fire Fam, It's me Jason McIntyre, 3 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:21,080 Speaker 2: Straight Fire for Monday, August the fourth. I'm back, baby, 4 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 2: back state side after a great week respite. I'll just 5 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 2: say this, it is really good to shut off the 6 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 2: old Twitter machine, not fire up the podcast machine, not 7 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 2: have to battle LA traffic just for one week. And 8 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 2: it felt good. Obviously I was on the gram. I'm 9 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 2: sure you guys noted. 10 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 3: It was a great week away. Good to be back. 11 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 2: It seems like, you know, I hit Rob g on 12 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 2: Sunday afternoon. I'm like, yo, I'm just looking for topics here. 13 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 2: We got Michah Parsons, we had Luca Dott. Not a 14 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 2: lot happening. I will say the vacation was good. We 15 00:00:57,920 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 2: pop down to the Caribbean. It's tough to go to 16 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 2: the from LA and I know these are first world problem, 17 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 2: but after we moved out here to LA, we would 18 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 2: go to Hawaii and Cabbo all the time because they're close, 19 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 2: and you know, that's what everybody in southern California goes to. 20 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 2: And I'm like, you know, we've kind of done this 21 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 2: a lot. We just changed it up so we've started 22 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 2: to change it up a little here lately. We did 23 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 2: a Aruba, which I've been to before, really nice island, 24 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 2: warmest ocean water ever, Like I don't like cold water. 25 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 2: I can't do cold plunges on the woofs. You just 26 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 2: wool in this water and it's like eighty three degrees, 27 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 2: which is like perfect. Were you just sitting there all day? 28 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 2: I got been of a sunburn and we stopped in 29 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,759 Speaker 2: Miami on the way back and our soccer team, Nakoksa 30 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 2: played against Lionel Messi and enter Miami on Saturday. Just 31 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 2: an incredible experience. Of course, Messi gets hurt ten minutes 32 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 2: in whatever what can you do? We were up to 33 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 2: one in the ninety first minute and the legendary Jordi 34 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 2: Alba flicked in a header to force penalty kicks, and 35 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 2: we lost in penalty kicks, which sucked, but overall, an 36 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 2: incredible experience. The tea, the trajectory's pointing upward and then 37 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 2: you know you return and it's like NBA's on a shelf. 38 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 2: Didn't listen to one NFL NBA podcast that all. The 39 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 2: only guy listened to his prof g which some of 40 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 2: you know, Hey, He's outstanding, but he's nonsports. But it 41 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 2: was like, yeah, I've got to get back on the 42 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 2: workout schedule, gotta eat right, and got to start getting 43 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:27,679 Speaker 2: ready for fantasy football. And one defense I will certainly 44 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 2: not be taking this season is the Dallas Cowboys. Now, 45 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 2: I wasn't going to take him regardless of this Michael 46 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 2: Parsons disaster. But I guess it broke Friday maybe Thursday 47 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 2: that Michaeh Parsons was extremely unhappy with the bulooney, the bs, 48 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 2: the behind the scenes garbage that Dallas has been doing, 49 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 2: and he has requested a trade. 50 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 3: Now, this has been bubbling up for what six months. 51 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 2: I mean, Dallas and Jerry Jones have fumbled this, just 52 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 2: as they fumbled almost every other player that they've had. 53 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 2: They wait to pay him, wait to pay him, They 54 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 2: tried to get a good deal and then oh look 55 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 2: they screwed up and have to pay top of the market. 56 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 2: Michaeh Parsons is now claiming, yeah, I met with Jerry 57 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 2: and his underlings and essentially we talked about a contract 58 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 2: and then I said, okay, I'll have my agent call you. 59 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 2: And then my agent called them and they're like, yeah, 60 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 2: we got a deal. 61 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 3: We don't need to really talk to you. 62 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 2: Well what That's just not how things work, As many 63 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 2: of you know, I have had contract talks with Fox 64 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 2: here over the last like five months, and that's just 65 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 2: not how it goes. 66 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 3: FI. 67 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 2: I cannot envision Fox coming to me and saying, hey, 68 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 2: how about this, that and the other, and then thinking 69 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 2: that's a deal. I'm like, I don't need to deal 70 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 2: with that. I got to focus on the takes. They've 71 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 2: got to be hot, they've got to be scalding hot takes. 72 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 2: I don't have time to get in the weeds with 73 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 2: a contract. That's what the agent's for. So I mean, 74 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I got aside with Micah Parsons here. I 75 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 2: don't even know that Dallas has the leg to stand on. 76 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 2: And then Rob and again, I'm just reading about this 77 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 2: coming late to the party, but it appeared to me 78 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 2: like jay Z and Rock Nation decided to jump in 79 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 2: and add fuel to the flame and kind of pile 80 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 2: on Jerry Jones, painting him as I don't know, maybe 81 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 2: that's a play. You know, Hey, Jerry joneses not a 82 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 2: good deal guy. I don't even know what to do 83 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 2: with this. Rob other than to say, you know, this 84 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 2: is what happens when you've got you know, an octagenarian 85 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:25,559 Speaker 2: trying to cut NFL deals. Jerry's way past his pride, 86 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 2: and the guy had a good run. It's okay to 87 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 2: just say, hey man, Jerry, it's time to get someone 88 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 2: else in here, whoever else from the Jones family, Stephen Jones, whatever. 89 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 2: But Jerry's way of business rob just does not seem 90 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 2: to be working. 91 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just more of Jerry bing Jerry. I mean, 92 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 4: Jerry has told us at every possible turn, and even verbatim, 93 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 4: there is nobody who would be a better GM than 94 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 4: me for the Dallas Cowboys. So he is gonna do 95 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 4: things how he sees fit and as unorthodox and quite 96 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 4: frankly unprofessional. These negotiations have been where he says, I'm 97 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 4: gonna try and negotia with Micah directly forget his agent. 98 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 4: It's actually worked for him in the past, like he 99 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 4: did that with a couple of guys I think one 100 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 4: of them was Zach Barney did that with and they 101 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 4: earned our deal basically face to face, and then the 102 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 4: agent came in later and it's like, all right, well 103 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 4: that's what you want, what you want, We're gonna do it. 104 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 4: So it's not totally unheard of for him to do this. 105 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 4: I will say that the whole thing about jay Z 106 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 4: in that situation where for whatever reason, Jerry decided to say, 107 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 4: you know, you know, I kind of did this also 108 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 4: with the with the with the Dez Bryan back in 109 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 4: the day, and you know, Dez didn't really live up 110 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:32,119 Speaker 4: to his end of the bargain. 111 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 3: That's why you know, we have big problems. 112 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 4: And then of course they put out a whole statement saying, yeah, 113 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 4: everything that you're saying did not happen, So it's kind 114 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 4: of kind of tough for you. But one thing Jerry 115 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 4: did say on Saturday when he met with the media 116 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 4: publicly is if I'm a Dallas Cowboy fan, I'm not 117 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 4: worried about this situation. And as crazy as I believe him, 118 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 4: I'm with him. I don't think that Michaeh. Parsons really 119 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 4: wants out, if only because as of this recording here 120 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 4: on Monday morning, he's still going to practice, He's still 121 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 4: in camp. He is what's the word he's holding in? 122 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 4: As they say these days, how often have you ever 123 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 4: seen it? Can you recall a guy make a trade 124 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 4: demand show up to training camp every single day and 125 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 4: actually get traded. 126 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 3: I don't. I don't think. I don't think it's gonna happen. 127 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, what's the Bills running back James Cook, who was 128 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 2: just amazing last year in Fantasy He is at camp, 129 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 2: but he's not participating exactly. Well, he said, he's not participating, 130 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 2: you to business. And then there was the Bengals first 131 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 2: round pick who would show up. There was a video 132 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 2: everybody's doing drills and he's like full pads, standing there 133 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 2: just not doing anything. 134 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. 135 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, So all he's trying to do is avoid the 136 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 4: fifty thousand dollars a day fine, which you know, I 137 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 4: understand the business sense, but if you really want it out, 138 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 4: if you're really that upset and you're turned off by 139 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 4: everything that Jerry's done and said, and you know, taking 140 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 4: shots at you through the meat, then I'm not showing up. 141 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 4: Like Durrel Reevis didn't show up when he wanted out 142 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 4: from the Jets and the Bucks. Separately, Aaron Donald didn't 143 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 4: show up for weeks on end with rams camp until 144 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 4: he got paid. Like, I know that they can't do 145 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 4: anything about the fine, but you could easily bake in. Hey, 146 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 4: you were fine, We'll say a one and a half 147 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 4: million dollars. We're gonna tack that on as a bonus 148 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 4: to your salary, so you don't actually lose the money. 149 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 3: You can't. 150 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 4: You're not actually losing these fine money, whatever it is. 151 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 4: And I just think that Micah Parsons, ultimately this is 152 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 4: gonna get worked out. He's gonna be back in Dallas. 153 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 4: This is much ado about nothing because he just doesn't 154 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 4: have to be crashed. He doesn't have the stones to 155 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 4: really stand on business and be like, no, I want out. 156 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 3: I don't think it's gonna happen. 157 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 2: But it's interesting you mentioned REVS. I had to look 158 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 2: it up just to confirm. So he had a great 159 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 2: year in twenty two thousand and nine. They went to 160 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 2: the ASC Championship game. 161 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 3: He was awesome. 162 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 2: He skipped the majority of trading camp and all of 163 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 2: the preseason games while holding out. He basically his rookie 164 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 2: contract was going to pay him one million dollars, okay, 165 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 2: and he was like the second best quarterback in football. 166 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 2: I think he was runner up Defensive Player of the Year. 167 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 2: And he got his new deal four years, thirty two 168 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 2: million guaranteed showed up the next day and played. Now, 169 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 2: he he did not have as good of a season 170 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 2: and the injuries mounted. So like sitting out can be risky. Obviously, 171 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 2: these guys are working out on their own, but participating 172 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 2: can be risky too. So there's really and we talk 173 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 2: about this all the time, Rob, the NBA players have 174 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 2: such a much better setup than NFL players, and the 175 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:45,079 Speaker 2: NFL players put themselves on the line way more. Obviously, 176 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 2: their careers are much shorter. It's just it's not right. 177 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 2: And if this were the NBA, Yeah, obviously Michael parts 178 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 2: will be no showing for sure. 179 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I got to say this, this might seen 180 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 4: counter two to what I just said. If I'm Jerry Jones, 181 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 4: I legitimately thing about trading Michael Parsons. 182 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 2: Well, this is too late, though. Who's gonna take him? Rob? 183 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 3: You got to him? That's a good question. 184 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 4: I haven't really got that far down the rabbit hole, 185 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,199 Speaker 4: but it's like, we kind of know what this team 186 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 4: is with the Micah dak CD triumvirate. Right, You're gonna 187 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 4: have three of the highest paid guys at their position 188 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 4: in the NFL, and history says that that team is 189 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 4: one and done in the playoffs because as you know, 190 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 4: quote unquote great as those three guys are, Micah hasn't 191 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 4: shown up in the playoffs yet. I think has one 192 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 4: sack across four games. Dak Prescott has a history of 193 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 4: coming up small safe for one road game against Tom 194 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 4: Brady and Tampa Bay which sent him into retirement basically, 195 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 4: and CD lamb if I think it was two years ago, 196 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 4: I think he had like three drops in the first 197 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 4: four drive or something like that. Like we know what 198 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 4: the ceiling is, like, we know what you're gonna be 199 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,839 Speaker 4: your your divisional team at best. So if I'm Jerry Jones, 200 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:54,599 Speaker 4: I really think about, like, hey, do we want to 201 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 4: make Micah Parsons a forty three million dollars a year 202 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 4: player or do we say, hey, can we get two 203 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 4: ones and another player? Can we get two ones in 204 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 4: two two? 205 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 2: So my only thing is who's giving up two ones 206 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 2: and then paying Micah forty million? 207 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 3: We've seen it before, the Khalil Mack. How'd that work out? 208 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 3: Zero playoff? 209 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 2: Well, I don't think they got any playoff wins with 210 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 2: that deal. But like it's just I would again, I 211 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 2: would have moved the best time to trade or rebuild 212 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,559 Speaker 2: is last year and they've waited way too long. I've 213 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 2: seen some nonsense about what about the Bengals or Trey 214 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 2: Hendrickson swap. Oh yeah, the cheap ass Bengals are gonna 215 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 2: are gonna pay it? Come on, give you a break. 216 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 2: That's nonsense. So I I don't know. I mean, it's 217 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 2: it's a great thought. I would have traded him. I 218 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 2: would have traded GJ. 219 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: Watt. 220 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,839 Speaker 2: I would not have paid him. But I sound crass. 221 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 2: People are like, how could you trade TJ? 222 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: Why? 223 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,599 Speaker 3: Well, I'm gonna trade Micah Parsons. I don't know. 224 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 2: He's the most popular cowboy. But you know, again, how 225 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:53,559 Speaker 2: many playoff sacks? What's he done in the postseason? 226 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:55,079 Speaker 3: Is he worth? 227 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 2: What you say forty three mil? 228 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 4: Is that it's going to start at forty so you 229 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 4: know it's going to be forty one. Like that's the 230 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 4: opening bid is forty one and a half and then 231 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 4: we go from there. 232 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. 233 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 2: I'm not a firm believer in Hey, X got exactly this. 234 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 2: I need one million dollars more like Sauce Gardner's deal. 235 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 2: I looked the devil is in the details, and apparently 236 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 2: while he got more than I'm spacing on the guy's 237 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 2: name from Houston Stingley Singley. Yes, technically on the surface, 238 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 2: you know, he got like I think it was thirty 239 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 2: two point one mil to th Stingley's thirty two whatever 240 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:31,079 Speaker 2: it is. You know I got a little bit more 241 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,559 Speaker 2: if you look at the actual deal. Because the Jets 242 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 2: signed Sauce early, they got like a pretty damn good deal, 243 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 2: just the way the Jags got a good deal on 244 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence by signing him early. 245 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,439 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 246 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,839 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio 247 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to 248 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 1: listen live. 249 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 2: The only other NFL story I saw rob that piqued 250 00:11:56,080 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 2: my interest. And I don't want to go overboard on 251 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 2: training camp uh struggles, and you know, I'm not breaking 252 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 2: down Shador Sanders was seven of twelve and Dylan Gabriel 253 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 2: was eight of nine. That stuff whatever it's training camp tosses. 254 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 2: But there is something going on with Caleb Williams in Chicago, 255 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 2: and we talked about this before the draft. I strongly 256 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 2: urge you guys to go look up Caleb Williams in 257 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:30,839 Speaker 2: USC in Notre Dame, in October of twenty twenty three, 258 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 2: Caleb Williams was the toast of the town. He was 259 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 2: the man us, he was top top ten. 260 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 3: They were undefeated. 261 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 2: And that was what I call the backyard football game 262 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:45,719 Speaker 2: that Caleb Williams really got exposed in. He thought he 263 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 2: could make a play when the cover, when the coverage 264 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 2: was tight, and he just kept scrambling and kept and 265 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 2: just I mean, he was rutal. He had three first 266 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 2: half interceptions, he had a fumble that was returned for 267 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 2: a touchdown, and it was when he was trying to 268 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 2: make places. Now, yes, the offensive line stunk, I get that, 269 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 2: but the offensive line stunk last year in Chicago, Rob, 270 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 2: He'll have tried to do the same damn thing. Let 271 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,439 Speaker 2: me try to play hero ball. I call it backyard football. 272 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 2: He's basically just running around trying to make plays. And 273 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 2: that can work against the Utahs of the world in 274 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 2: Oregon State and whoever else in college football. Okay, at times, 275 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 2: Marcus Freeman is a really smart defensive guy. He body 276 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:30,079 Speaker 2: bagged Caleb Williams in that game and really exposed him. 277 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 2: And then last year, you know, Caleb, some of the 278 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 2: numbers were not terrible, but by and large. He didn't 279 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 2: have a great year. Jayden Daniels had a great year, winning. 280 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 3: From the pocket. 281 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 2: And so now you bring in Ben Johnson, you say, okay, Ben, 282 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 2: he had Jared Goff winning from the pocket. Jared Goff 283 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 2: not a scrambler. Caleb, He'll just change from being a 284 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 2: backyard football guy to two three strip drop, make the 285 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 2: read process and make the delivery right that Caleb will 286 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 2: do that, and so far, and it's early, it's very really, 287 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 2: it just doesn't look like that transition is going to 288 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 2: be smooth. I already see the oh I would take 289 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 2: Drake may over kaileb Williams. Just for the record, I 290 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:12,959 Speaker 2: like Drake may moore than Jadon Daniels coming out in 291 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 2: the draft. Obviously that was wrong. That was that was 292 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 2: a bad take, not a you can't can't batter. I 293 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 2: think Elon Musk said something to the effect of you 294 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 2: can't bat a thousand. I like Drake may a lot. 295 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 2: I Caleb Williams is probably gonna be fine, But I 296 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 2: do think the learning curve is going to be much 297 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 2: tougher than people anticipated. With Ben Johnson. Maybe I'm overreacting, 298 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 2: and again we're not We're not going wild here. But 299 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 2: it does feel like there's gonna be a rocky transition. 300 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 2: I I I'll set the over under on benchings for 301 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 2: Kayleb Williams this season at one point five. 302 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 4: Oh, now, you know, if he gets benched twice then then. 303 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 3: We okay, let's let's just go point five. 304 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 2: Will he be benched this season? 305 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 3: Yes? 306 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 2: I could see it. Yeah, I can totally see it. 307 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 2: And again it's a hey man, you have three interceptions. 308 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 2: Let's just recharge the batteries come out, you know, and 309 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 2: you're not seeing the ball well today. I don't think 310 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 2: that's crazy for for for Caleb Williams to Chicago with 311 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 2: with Ben Johnson this year. 312 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, And if training camp is any indication uh mhm, 313 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 4: the head coach is going to make a drastic move 314 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 4: very early. Because if you've been following Berry, I know, 315 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 4: you don't really follow on day to day because it 316 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 4: is well, I mean, as you know, it's it's practice 317 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 4: like like you're there. There are some guys and I 318 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 4: think jaj Water said this, it's designed to make you 319 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 4: look bad at times because they want to say you respond, 320 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 4: They want to they want to put you in in 321 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 4: difficult situations. They want to see you having to go, 322 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 4: you know, seven on nine and how are we going 323 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 4: to get this block when we don't have enough people 324 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 4: like that kind of stuff, right, So keep that in mind. 325 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 4: But uh Ben Johnson on the second day of camp 326 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 4: through the offense off the field first ring zero, I 327 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 4: believe on the third or fourth day camp took what's 328 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 4: their receiver's name. 329 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 3: Luther Burden, I think a young guy from the young guy. 330 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 4: I think he was ripped off the field twice in 331 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 4: the first week, right, Like, so, I don't know if 332 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 4: he's he definitely feels like a first time head coach, 333 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 4: like where he's really trying to build some kind of structure, 334 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 4: some kind of discipline to this team that obviously needed it, 335 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 4: but he might be going a little bit overboard relative 336 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 4: to what an NFL coded coach normally does, like this 337 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 4: is not this is not par for the courses kind 338 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 4: of thing. And you'll recall friend of the podcast Danny Kelly, 339 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 4: former Jets scout. We had him on before he blew 340 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 4: up on this podcast. We had him on before the 341 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 4: Trevor Lawrence draft and he said Trevor Lawnce was going 342 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 4: to be a bust. And I personally think that is 343 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 4: the case you disagree, but you know that's where we started. 344 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 3: With time out to find bust. 345 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 4: It just has not been as good as people think 346 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 4: we expected. 347 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 2: He just can live up to the hype. But he 348 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 2: went to Jacksonville. He's on like his third head coach. 349 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:06,439 Speaker 2: I don't I can't call him a bus. 350 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 3: I don't want to get bogged down. 351 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 4: But that's where we started with him, right, and he's 352 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:14,199 Speaker 4: made a living now. Every year there's a couple of 353 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 4: guys who he's like, no, he's not the one. This 354 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 4: isn't gonna be go bad. And it was Trey Lance 355 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:20,360 Speaker 4: is gonna be bad? 356 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,479 Speaker 3: That worked out? Right, Zach Zach was is gonna be bad? 357 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:23,120 Speaker 3: That worked out? 358 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 4: I think he said that Jaden Daniels was going to 359 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:27,959 Speaker 4: be bad that obviously did not work out like that was. 360 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 3: He was wrong on that one. 361 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 4: He was right about Anthony Ridgards and being a bust. 362 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 3: Last year. 363 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 4: He said before the draft, Caleb Williams is going to 364 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 4: be a bust, not because he doesn't have the talent 365 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 4: to be a good NFL quarterback, but because the hype 366 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 4: was such a such a degree that when you look 367 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 4: at the game film and you were you've been on 368 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 4: this and every other legitimate NFL person we've had on 369 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 4: this show has said, for all of his talent, which 370 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 4: is immense, there are two things that are legitimate problems 371 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 4: with him. Number one emotionally meant, how does he deal 372 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 4: with negative plays and failures? You mentioned the Notre Dame 373 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,120 Speaker 4: game where there's ones where he's crying in the stands, 374 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 4: like he he says he wants to go home and 375 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 4: just be with his dog because he's so bummed out 376 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 4: about what happened, Like, how is he gonna deal with 377 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 4: it when things don't go well? And obviously in Chicago, 378 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 4: chances are things are not gonna go well most of 379 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 4: the time. 380 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:17,880 Speaker 3: Thousand one. 381 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 4: Number two, everything that made him special was unscripted. It 382 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 4: was zigzag zigzag, throw across his body, fifty yards on 383 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 4: the dime, beautiful pass touchdown that doesn't really work in 384 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 4: the NFL. 385 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 3: You don't. You don't really see that too often in 386 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 3: the NFL. 387 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 4: And so far, both of the big red flags have 388 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 4: played out in the NFL. And it started in training camp, 389 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 4: you know, thrown off the field after the first day 390 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 4: of practice. Second day, I think he started out zero 391 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 4: for nine and that was picked up by the Chicago media. 392 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:50,679 Speaker 3: Then they had this friends and family and night over 393 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 3: the week. 394 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 4: I don't know if he saw this one j Mac 395 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 4: where they had like a half of a stadium. Maybe 396 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 4: it was a full stadium, but like a small stadium 397 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 4: of fans in there to watch the team scrimmage, multiple 398 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 4: outlets for porting, and that kayleb went five for seventeen 399 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 4: with three picks at Bear's family night. I'm not saying 400 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 4: it's something, but I'm not saying it's nothing either. Right Like, 401 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 4: at some point, there's gonna be a clash, as you mentioned, 402 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 4: there's gonna be a benching, There's gonna be some kind 403 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:20,120 Speaker 4: of controversy in Chicago. Because everything that makes Ben Johnson 404 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 4: a great head coach, or we assume a great head coach, 405 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:26,400 Speaker 4: a great play caller, is structure, on time, on target, 406 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 4: play within my system. My system works. Same thing they 407 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 4: said about Sean McVay, same thing they say about Kyle Shanahan, 408 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 4: Caleb Williams, everything that makes him special backyard, Let me 409 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 4: make stuff happen. Let me go early mahomes on these guys. 410 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 4: Let me just make plays and let it happen, let 411 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 4: me sling it. Those two things are diametrically opposed. At 412 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 4: some point one of them has to give or this 413 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 4: is not gonna work out. And I think what more 414 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 4: likely is gonna happen is you mentioned maybe early in 415 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 4: the Seaton first half of the season, he's gonna get 416 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 4: benched after you mentioned a two interception, three interception game 417 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 4: where they're getting blown out, and it's not meant to 418 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 4: be a benching, but it's going to be a controversy 419 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 4: in Chicago for sure. 420 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, something seems up there. 421 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 3: And again. 422 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:12,199 Speaker 2: The backup battle looks like it's between Tyson Baigent and 423 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 2: case Keenum, with a gentleman named Austin Reed, a guy 424 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 2: twenty five year old out of Western Kentucky trying to 425 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 2: make the roster. Case Keenum is a veteran, he's a 426 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 2: KG fellow, been around the block. Let's see what any 427 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 2: teams he's been on here in the last few years. 428 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 2: He was Houston. Wait a minute, last year was not 429 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:35,120 Speaker 2: in the NFL two thousand real Maybe he just didn't 430 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 2: throw a pass twenty three in Houston twenty two, Buffalo 431 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 2: twenty one, Cleveland. 432 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 3: His career high. 433 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 2: Point was still the Minnesota season, where he had twenty 434 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 2: two touchdowns and parlayed himself into some money. But yeah, 435 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 2: Tyson Beagent is kind of a fan favorite. Remember his 436 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 2: dad is like the arm wrestling champ or something like 437 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 2: that small town kid but a good story. I don't 438 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 2: think Caleb has any to worry about, but given his 439 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 2: load to useWord meltdowns in college I things could get. 440 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 3: The potential for scorely is there. 441 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 442 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio 443 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to 444 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:19,160 Speaker 1: listen live. 445 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 2: We'll wrap up, obviously because the big news on the Lakers, 446 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:29,959 Speaker 2: rob your boy, Luka. Doncic inked a massive contract to stay, Yes, 447 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 2: stay with the Lakers. 448 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 3: I know some people are like. 449 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 2: Oh, Luca gooda saw and blah blah blah. Let me 450 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 2: get the exact numbers here. It is three years and 451 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 2: one hundred and eight sixty five million dollars. He could 452 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 2: have inked a larger deal at four years and two 453 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 2: hundred twenty nine dollars, but obviously everybody knows the contract situation. 454 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,679 Speaker 2: By signing this two plus one, he could become an 455 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 2: unrestricted free agent in twenty eight or twenty He'll have 456 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,360 Speaker 2: ten years of service in the league, and that can 457 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 2: make a massive three hundred and twenty three million dollars splash. 458 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 2: So let's not read anything into the deal, right, Luca 459 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 2: knows he can make more later. But the real story 460 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 2: is a bunch of Lakers showed up at his signing. 461 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,199 Speaker 2: Lebron and BRONI were not there. Austin Reeves is in 462 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 2: like Asia. I think Lebron was on a golf course somewhere. 463 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 2: I was just saw him on Instagram. He's only twenty 464 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 2: six and I can tell you this. You can stack 465 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 2: his numbers first six years in the league next to 466 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:42,400 Speaker 2: just about anyone in the modern era, and he's right there. 467 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 3: Numbers. I said, numbers, not titles or trips to the finals. Numbers. 468 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 2: He's right there with Magic Michael Larry Lebron. 469 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 3: He's better, Yeah, right there, he's better. 470 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 4: Yeah. 471 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. 472 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 2: The guys has done historic stuff in his first six years, 473 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:04,919 Speaker 2: and all that he's missing is a championship. Now you know, 474 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 2: I'm gonna defend Luca. He had Jalen Brunson as a wingman. 475 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 2: They ripped him away. They screwed that up in Dallas. 476 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,919 Speaker 2: They tried Porzingis he couldn't stay healthy. Then they get 477 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 2: Himkyrie Irving. He gets through the finals, then that dumb 478 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 2: ass Nico Harrison trades him because he thought Luca was overweight. Luca, 479 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 2: of course, the biggest news in supports this past week 480 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 2: was even on the cover of some men's health magazine. 481 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 2: Jacked took a month off basketball. He's working out, basically, 482 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 2: a big, big, big, huge middle finger to the MAVs 483 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 2: and a hay Lakers. 484 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 3: I'm all in. 485 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 2: Days after the cover of the magazine, Lucas signs his deal. 486 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 3: Blah blah blah. 487 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 2: I don't I'm not concerned about Luca. I think any 488 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 2: way you slice it, he's gonna be a top ten 489 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 2: player in the history of basketball when all of a 490 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 2: sudden done. Okay, I think that's undeniable. The numbers will 491 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 2: for sure be there. The only question is will. 492 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 3: He have one title? 493 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 2: Will he have two? Will he have multiple? Hey man, 494 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 2: it's a tough arrow right now. Jokis, for all his greatness, 495 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 2: has one title, one trip to the finals. That's it. 496 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 2: Kevin Durant went to Golden State, won a couple of chips, 497 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 2: hasn't been back since. It's really freaking hard to get 498 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,360 Speaker 2: to the finals, folks, and win multiple titles. We thought 499 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 2: the Celtics were in line for win several titles. Lebron 500 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 2: has gone to multiple cities and won everywhere he's gone. 501 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 2: It's really hard to win multiple champs here. So I 502 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 2: just I'm a Luca guy, so I will sound like 503 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 2: I'm defending him. I'm sure Rob has some incendiary take 504 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 2: that's gonna get people all worked up in Lakerland. But 505 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 2: your take on his new deal, I. 506 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 4: Mean good for him and anybody who says that he, 507 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 4: you know, took a pay cut or didn't maximize the dollars. 508 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 4: He did it on purpose so that he could really 509 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 4: cash in after the ten year mark. So that's, you know, 510 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 4: move that down the list. Everything you said is true. 511 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 4: The one hundred percent agree with everything you said about 512 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 4: just the factual of what you said. Nobody's at a 513 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 4: better start at all the way down the list. It's 514 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 4: because of that that I disagree with the idea that, 515 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:01,360 Speaker 4: oh what if he only gets one? 516 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 3: What if he only gets two? 517 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 4: Luka Doncic, by any metric, has had the greatest first 518 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 4: six seasons of an NBA career of anybody of NBA history, 519 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,159 Speaker 4: only here's the list of the of the players in 520 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,199 Speaker 4: NBA history in their first six seasons that had at 521 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 4: least ten thousand points, three thousand rebounds, three thousand its ssists, 522 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 4: five time first Team All NBA, and five plus playoff 523 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 4: appearances or five plus playoff series wins. Excuse me, Luka Doncic, 524 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:32,959 Speaker 4: I'm pregnant posit because no one else did it. 525 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 3: He's the only one, right. 526 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 4: Not Lebron, not Oscar, not Larry, not Jerry West, not 527 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:43,120 Speaker 4: MJ not Greham, not Magic nobody. He is all due 528 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,159 Speaker 4: respect to a friend of the podcast, guys that we love, 529 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:49,919 Speaker 4: Jason Tatum, SGA reigning MVP, the Joker who you just mentioned, 530 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 4: none of those guys are on the kind of trajectory 531 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 4: that Luka Doncic is on right now. He is not 532 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 4: just on a path to Oh he's gonna be one 533 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 4: of the great players in NBA history. Oh he's he's 534 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 4: going to be a top twenty guy. He's gonna be 535 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 4: a top fifty. You mentioned top ten. I think I 536 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 4: think that you'ven selling him short. Luka Doncic on just 537 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 4: trajectory is in the conversation, to be the greatest player 538 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 4: who ever lived and I don't think that's a hot take. 539 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 4: I don't think that's hyperbole. I think that's just look 540 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 4: at his resume, even taking away the stats. In the 541 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,719 Speaker 4: All NBA, he's been to the finals once. He's been 542 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 4: to the Western Conference finals twice. If he didn't come 543 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 4: back early from this injury, who knows what he did 544 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 4: last year? 545 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 3: Right like the way, we don't know. 546 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,120 Speaker 4: It was a disappointment, be quite honest with you, If 547 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 4: he does not win a championship with the Lakers during 548 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 4: the duration of this three year contract that he just signed, 549 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 4: it'll be a disappointment. 550 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:49,479 Speaker 3: Really disappointment. Disappointment. So it's title or bust. 551 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 4: Yes, he's that good of a player and the only 552 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 4: person who I can recall or two in my adult 553 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 4: lifetime who had this kind of pressure on them Lebron 554 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 4: James yep, because you know he would talking about that 555 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 4: in high school. They're like, hey, it's not just gonna win, 556 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:08,159 Speaker 4: it's how many is he gonna win? 557 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 3: Like that's what it was. 558 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 4: And Shack because Shaq when he came in, he was like, 559 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 4: there's nobody who's bigger, stronger, faster, more agile than this 560 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 4: guy is. 561 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 3: It'll be a Rainy. 562 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:22,160 Speaker 4: Real disappointment if he doesn't win multiple and credit to him, 563 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:28,439 Speaker 4: he cashed him in. Luka Doncic should, assuming health, end 564 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 4: up with a minimum of three championships in his NBA career. 565 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 2: Okay, so Shaq Similarly, first stop Orlando got to the finals. 566 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, it looks like it was in year two. Yeah, 567 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 2: they not not in year two of his career. That 568 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,400 Speaker 2: would be year three of his career, just his second 569 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,880 Speaker 2: trip to the playoffs. First year they get swept. Second year, 570 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,880 Speaker 2: no Jordan, They go to the finals, lose to Houston 571 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 2: and Elijah One. 572 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:54,880 Speaker 3: I mean he was twenty two years old. 573 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 2: Did not get back to the finals until he was 574 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 2: at his next stop, the Lakers when yuess what he 575 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,439 Speaker 2: was twenty seven. I don't have the full list in 576 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 2: front of me yet, but I know Michael Jordan didn't 577 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,120 Speaker 2: win one until he was about twenty seven. Lebron didn't 578 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 2: win until he was about twenty seven. 579 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,400 Speaker 3: Shack. I just mentioned there were. 580 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 2: Outliers, Magic and Larry blah blah blah, but twenty seven 581 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 2: ish seems to be a pivotal age. Now, this is 582 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 2: a tough year as the Lakers are not favored they're not. 583 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 2: I don't think they're top six or seven odds to 584 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 2: win the title. They might be like ten. So maybe 585 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 2: that that Lakers is an underdog is good, but like, yeah, 586 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 2: Shack didn't win anything until he was twenty seven, so 587 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,679 Speaker 2: I don't want to be that guy that puts pressure 588 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 2: on him. Do you think I can get old twenty 589 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 2: six or like a or he's it's twenty six young 590 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 2: over just twenty six feel old for Luca? 591 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 4: I mean, he's been professional since he was sixteen, so 592 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 4: I guess you would say it's old. But his style 593 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 4: of play is not that of a young man. He's 594 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 4: played this old man game his entire career. 595 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 2: It's this old man game transition well into his thirties. 596 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 2: I think, so, okay, there's no pressure, but it's not 597 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 2: that I don't mean I think it's a positive. I 598 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 2: think he is so good that the expectation for him 599 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 2: is going to be all time great. Similarly with Victor Wembanyama. 600 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 2: When ben Yama's you know, his thing is the health 601 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 2: issue with the blood clots, but when you see him play, 602 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 2: it's like, man, if he doesn't get multiple something went 603 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 2: horribly wrong. He is that good and that's where Luca. 604 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 3: Is well, is Luca that gooder? 605 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, is Wemby that good or is he that 606 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 2: just freakishly potential? 607 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: Yeah? 608 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 3: The potential with him. 609 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 2: Right when Luca came into the league, I don't think 610 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 2: anybody thought multiple titles the hell even won. 611 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 3: He didn't even go first overall. He was traded. 612 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, and then you saw him play and you're like, oh, yeah, 613 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 4: this guy's pretty good. Mean, five straight first team All NBAS. 614 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 2: I mean, listen, it's gonna be hard this year. Let's 615 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 2: see what happens next year. I mean, so what happens 616 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 2: if they get like Nicola Jokic It seems unlikely, but 617 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,959 Speaker 2: he didn't sign his extension. Lebron's gonna be going out 618 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 2: for next season like they're gonna have room for a 619 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 2: superstar and ain't gonna be Karl Anthony Towns. 620 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 3: I can assure you that. 621 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 2: I mean, if they get Jokic's then the question becomes 622 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 2: like who who Who's the alpha or Luca's not the 623 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,239 Speaker 2: Bay couldn't win a total by himself? You know. Then 624 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 2: you got all those stupid discussions, which kind of makes 625 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 2: the NBA move so fun. 626 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,959 Speaker 4: I mean, in that discussion I'm teamy honest over Jokic, 627 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 4: just the fit wise, that's all. Jokic is a better player, 628 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 4: but Yiannis I think fit with better. 629 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 2: That's not a terrible take. Yeah, that's not bad. 630 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 3: I don't mind that. I don't hate it. Rock's coming 631 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 3: off with some good takes. 632 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 2: Uh back tomorrow, talk again.