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Speaker 1: Washington football with the esteemed Mike Varrell of the Seattle Times.

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Speaker 1: talk all things Kaylin de Boor's first season. It is

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Speaker 1: Mike verrel Sir, Welcome to the saliverbal How are you.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing well.

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Speaker 3: How are you?

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Speaker 1: I am doing well? Thank you for your time. Washington

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Speaker 1: last season quite a season. Ten wins in the regular season,

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Speaker 1: new coach. With that as the backdrop, if you're grading

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Speaker 1: Kayalin de Borr A through F, how do you grade them?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an easy A.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's a difference that youuation than many others

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Speaker 2: I mean there was talent to be had there.

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Speaker 3: I think he talks so much about coming in and

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Speaker 3: Obviously in the transfer portal era, that's everything. But Washington

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Speaker 3: But if you look at the blue chip ratio, Washington

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Speaker 3: But you bring in his system, you bring in his mentality,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was it was lukewarm.

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Speaker 1: Did you see that contrast at all last season, moving

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Speaker 3: And that's really what they wanted when you had a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we often use the house analogy when a new

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Speaker 1: You hear that all the time. Clearly, it was a

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Speaker 2: It just was a sour vibe a on the program.

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Speaker 3: And I think it was a pretty stark turn from

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Speaker 1: What You've mentioned this a couple of times, Mike, but

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Speaker 3: It feels like a lower level school in the best

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Speaker 3: Calen Debor is from Millbank, South Dakota, and I wrote

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, look, I mean whatever they're doing is working.

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Speaker 1: The results at least in year one spoke for themselves

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Speaker 1: two thousand yard receivers. I believe like it all just clicked.

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Speaker 3: It's a good problem, but I mean, there's a conversation

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Speaker 2: It doesn't really matter.

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Speaker 3: Ryan Grubb obviously was maid that way this offseason and

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Speaker 3: had enough interest in other jobs this offseason where they're

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Speaker 3: They run an offense that really keeps people on their toes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely a better supporting cast. You mentioned Ryan. I

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Speaker 3: It's like you don't know how to separate the coach

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Speaker 3: But this is also the quarterbacks coach, so this is

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Speaker 2: It's just hard.

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Speaker 3: They're happy it's a Washington thing at this point beyond

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we should also mention the board did this

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Speaker 3: Taylor Rapt Bruden Baker, that's not this defense.

436
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Speaker 2: But the offense is a heck of a lot better.

437
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Speaker 2: So we'll see how it all kind of balances out.

438
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Speaker 1: I'm curious to get your take on the recruiting operation

439
00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:41,879
Speaker 1: because you know, on some level we have to talk

440
00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,119
Speaker 1: about what Oregon is doing as well, because in the

441
00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:49,359
Speaker 1: Pacific Northwest, Dan Lanning is sucking up all the oxygen

442
00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,439
Speaker 1: in the recruiting room. He's been hyper aggressive on the trail,

443
00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:56,120
Speaker 1: He's been really aggressive in the portal. As the other

444
00:20:56,280 --> 00:21:00,440
Speaker 1: big dog in the region, Washington. What is Kalin de

445
00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,840
Speaker 1: Bor trying to do to counter that momentum.

446
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,200
Speaker 2: I don't think that he cares that much about being

447
00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,560
Speaker 2: d Dan Lanning or comparing himself.

448
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,560
Speaker 3: But I mean, if you look at what Washington did,

449
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,720
Speaker 3: they were a top twenty five. They're right about twenty

450
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:14,680
Speaker 3: five in terms of the recruiting class, which was a

451
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:18,080
Speaker 3: step forward based off of the lows that they had

452
00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 3: plummeted to under Jimmy Lake in the last couple of years,

453
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,800
Speaker 3: which were pretty stark. I think that they're looking for

454
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:27,680
Speaker 3: guys that are going to fit exactly what they do, offensively, defensively, schematically,

455
00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,840
Speaker 3: and what they talk about here is trying to win

456
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,080
Speaker 3: in the state of Washington and then of course dominate California.

457
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Speaker 2: I think California, more so than the.

458
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Speaker 3: State of Washington is absolutely their biggest focus by a

459
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Speaker 3: multitude of a thousand. They want to get the guys

460
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Speaker 3: that they want out of the state of California. You're

461
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,800
Speaker 3: never going to beat usc for everybody, You're not going

462
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,359
Speaker 3: to beat Oregon for everybody. But I think they've hand

463
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,640
Speaker 3: picked certain guys that they want to throw everything at

464
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:55,159
Speaker 3: in the state of California.

465
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Speaker 2: And then also they've got you know they're recruiting.

466
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Speaker 3: Guru is a guy named Courtney Morgan who's been around,

467
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 3: has been to Michigan before he went to Washington, who's

468
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,800
Speaker 3: worked at Fresno with Kaylen Debor, and he's developed relationships

469
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 3: in sort of random places that has allowed them to recruit,

470
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,200
Speaker 3: you know, pull a four star kid Curly Reid, a

471
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:16,160
Speaker 3: cornerback out of Louisiana last year. They're recruiting certain areas

472
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,880
Speaker 3: that they really haven't focused on before because they've got

473
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Speaker 3: certain relationships that are sort of unique to them.

474
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Speaker 2: At this point.

475
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Speaker 3: The question, big picture is can they be what they

476
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,200
Speaker 3: were under Chris Peterson, which was towards the end there

477
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 3: they were a top fifteen type recruiting operation. If they

478
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Speaker 3: can do that and they can add to the portal

479
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 3: to guys who want to play in this offense, which

480
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 3: will be an awful lot of qbs and receivers and

481
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,920
Speaker 3: tight ends and running backs, I think that's the way

482
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Speaker 3: that they intend to go forward.

483
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the other thing, Mike, you mentioned this earlier,

484
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Speaker 1: but Washington has had a few guys transfer out. Sure

485
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 1: everybody has. But Calen de Bor has done a really

486
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 1: good job keeping guys around, and whether that's keeping guys

487
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Speaker 1: out of the portal, whether that's keeping draft eligible talent

488
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,639
Speaker 1: from going to the draft. So much of the emphasis

489
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 1: in today's recruiting landscape is about recruiting your own guys,

490
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,880
Speaker 1: and he seems to have done that pretty well.

491
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Speaker 2: From Afar, no question.

492
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's a very unique situation in the fact

493
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 3: that they might not have anyone drafted in two weeks

494
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,880
Speaker 3: for the first time in more than a decade, and

495
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,199
Speaker 3: they could well be celebrating that because they could have

496
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,920
Speaker 3: had seven guys drafted and all of them came back.

497
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 3: I mean, you talk about Pennix, most people expected him

498
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 3: to go. Romadunze certainly could have went, Jallen McMillan probably

499
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 3: could have went. Brailn Trice could have went. ZTF potentially

500
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 3: could have went. They got literally one hundred percent of

501
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 3: the people they wanted back back, so much so that

502
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 3: I think that they had to sort of change some

503
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,880
Speaker 3: of the recruiting because they didn't expect some of these people.

504
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 2: To be here right now.

505
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 3: So I think that's maybe the biggest testament to Debor

506
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 3: is his ability to sell himself, his vision, his program,

507
00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 3: his culture, the family environment. Everyone talks about that not new,

508
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 3: it's not like cool, but I do think that's what

509
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 3: they hang.

510
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:03,959
Speaker 2: Their hat on.

511
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 3: And and you know, NIL is certainly a piece of that.

512
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,639
Speaker 3: And I think the fan base has tried to compare

513
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 3: itself to Oregon and say you need to do more

514
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 3: from an NIL perspective, But I think they're doing quite

515
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 3: a bit when you think about Panics coming back and

516
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 3: some of those guys because they love the program. But

517
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,160
Speaker 3: that's not the entire selling point.

518
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Speaker 1: Not anymore. No, that was actually gonna be my next

519
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 1: question about the NIL operation because you know, we're talking recruiting,

520
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 1: we're talking transfer portal. Everything goes hand in hand with

521
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 1: NIL now. But how does that operation compare maybe not

522
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 1: to Oregon Orgon maybe is an extreme example, but just

523
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 1: to other programs that Washington compares itself to.

524
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Speaker 3: You know, they've got the infrastructure in terms of having

525
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 3: Montlake Futures as sort of an organization that that kind

526
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,679
Speaker 3: of funnels everything into the NIL operation. I don't think

527
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 3: they're doing it the same way that an Oregon is

528
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,439
Speaker 3: in terms of they're not being nearly as brazen and

529
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 3: out front about what a high school kid might be

530
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 3: able to benefit or how that kid might be able

531
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 3: to benefit coming straight through. I think there's been more

532
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 3: focus from a up perspective about when you get on campus,

533
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 3: here's how we can help you. And if you're going

534
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 3: to go into the draft, or if you're thinking about

535
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 3: the draft, like we just talked about, here are the

536
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 3: reasons that you'd benefit by staying. I think retention has

537
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 3: been as big of a focus for their nil operations

538
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 3: as actual recruitment. And I also think there's been probably

539
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 3: more focus in the transfer portal recruitment piece than in

540
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,679
Speaker 3: trying to add blue chip high school kids. So I

541
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 3: certainly think that they have the infrastructure here to be

542
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 3: able to compete with some other big time schools. I

543
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,919
Speaker 3: do think that they maybe are approaching it philosophically a

544
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 3: little bit differently, not to not to imply that they're

545
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 3: not attacking the high school classes just as well, but

546
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 3: I do think that there's an awful lot of focus

547
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 3: going to both the portal and also retention when someone

548
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:00,919
Speaker 3: breaks out.

549
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Speaker 1: Yeah, one thing that sort of dawned on me, Mike,

550
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,199
Speaker 1: when I was looking through their recruiting class from this

551
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 1: past cycle, Like you said, twenty fifth nationally according to

552
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: twenty four to seven. It's not the type of class

553
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 1: it's going to blow you away, but it is smart.

554
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: It actually reminds me of the move to hire Dubor

555
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,199
Speaker 1: in the first place, because Washington didn't overthink and it

556
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 1: doesn't look like Debor overthought it with this class. Its

557
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: skewed towards defense with a dash of playmakers, but it ultimately,

558
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 1: I think is guys that are going to fit the

559
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 1: system and hopefully guys that they can plug and play

560
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,679
Speaker 1: and use in short order to try and make the

561
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 1: thing work a little bit better. Are there newcomers in

562
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 1: that class that you expect to take a step in

563
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,360
Speaker 1: maybe provide a boost where it's needed. Could be freshmen,

564
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 1: could be transfers, just new names that people should watch for.

565
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 3: The thing is with this team offensively, what we've talked

566
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 3: about is, you know you could be a four star

567
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 3: or whatever, big time receiver.

568
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 2: There's just no chance, right, there's so deep in specific rooms.

569
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 3: I do think if you think there's an opportunity and

570
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 3: you looked at the class, like you just said, why,

571
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 3: it's logical they just added a ton of DB's, and

572
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 3: there's like we're gonna try. We're gonna add forced our DB's,

573
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 3: which give them credit for doing that, and we're gonna

574
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 3: throw everyone into the mix and see who emerges. And

575
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 3: last year they almost physically ran out of guys at

576
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,239
Speaker 3: a certain point from an injury standpoint. They're not going

577
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 3: to do that this year. But I think, you know,

578
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 3: you look at a curler read coming from Louisiana, there's

579
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 3: Leroy Bryant coming from California. These cornerbacks, Caleb Presley is

580
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 3: already on campus, a local kid. There's a safety, Vincent Holmes.

581
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 3: I look at the DBS in terms of having a

582
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 3: path to that. I don't think that this is a

583
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 3: program that needs a freshman to come in and save

584
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 3: them at any one place.

585
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 2: But that defensive.

586
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 3: Backfield is where they have an opportunity to hopefully, you know,

587
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 3: create depth is really what they need because they didn't

588
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 3: have any semblance of that in the back end basically

589
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 3: last year. We talked to Debor before the season and

590
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 3: he said, like, we need to stay healthy at certain

591
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,239
Speaker 3: spots to be okay, And they didn't stay healthy at

592
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 3: cornerback and they still survived it, but just barely.

593
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: Mike, there are a great number of coaches who had

594
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 1: an amazing first year and then everything after that first

595
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: season was compared to what they did in year one. Right,

596
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: So double digit wins they finished with eleven, They win

597
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: the bowl game again against Texas. Realistically, you look at

598
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: the schedule, you look at the roster coming back, how

599
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 1: much room is there to grow? What is realistic from

600
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: the fan base in terms of expectations now a year

601
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: into this thing with Debor.

602
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 3: That's what's really changed about kind of the mentality of

603
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 3: this program, And what we haven't seen is how they

604
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 3: operate when they're not catching teams by surprise. And a

605
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 3: year ago you go to if you want, I went

606
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,719
Speaker 3: to one of the winter workouts a year ago when

607
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 3: he had just gotten there, and they have certain periods

608
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 3: where they'll stop and one of the coaches will in

609
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 3: front of everybody and talk and Ryan GRUBBSI, you know,

610
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 3: was yelling, this is not a rebuild, this is not

611
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 3: a rebuild.

612
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 2: And now everyone knows it's not a rebuild. But how

613
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 2: does this program work when they're the ones being gunned for?

614
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 2: When they're the ones, you know, who are coming in

615
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 2: as a top ten team potentially with playoff aspirations, and

616
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 2: you talk to every one of these guys. Panics just

617
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 2: talked about wanting to win a national championship. Jalen McMillan

618
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 2: talked about that after winning the Bowl game. So how

619
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 2: they do in terms of coming in as a team

620
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 2: with those expectations is very very different from where they

621
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 2: were a year ago.

622
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Speaker 3: So I don't know how they're going to react to that,

623
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 3: but certainly there's a different level of expectation on Kalen

624
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 3: to Boor and everyone else.

625
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 2: In year two, and it'll be pretty interesting to see

626
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 2: if they can live up to that.

627
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: What are you watching for most this weekend? I believe

628
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: this weekend in the spring game.

629
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 2: Not too much. Honestly, this is it's not the game

630
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 2: first off.

631
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 3: Like I know, people approach it differently, but Kaylen has

632
00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 3: said pretty honestly, like they have fifteen practices, they intend

633
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 3: to use all of them, so they're going to do

634
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 3: scrimmage periods, but it's really.

635
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 2: Not going to be a game.

636
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 3: I just think that, like I sort of mentioned, the

637
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 3: difference between good and great with this team is whether

638
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,719
Speaker 3: they can develop depth and on their edges right now

639
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 3: with their pass rush and also in their secondary, whether

640
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 3: they can just have guys both at safety and corner,

641
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 3: because they haven't really had a guy at safety since

642
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 3: Taylor rap in twenty eighteen. So I think that their

643
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 3: linebacking core is pretty strong at this point. They've got

644
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 3: enough guys in the defensive line. Their offense I think

645
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 3: is very very good. There's gonna be some question marks

646
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 3: around their offensive line that I think it'll still be

647
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 3: very solid, but offensive line and secondary play are the

648
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 3: biggest things that you see how this continues to expand,

649
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 3: and if they can get the play that they want

650
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 3: from those two areas, then everything that they say about

651
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 3: themselves they have a chance to achieve those dreams.

652
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: How much have you looked at the twenty twenty three

653
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: schedule A lot.

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Speaker 2: I haven't booked flights yet, but.

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Speaker 1: It's it's an interesting schedule because you know it starts

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Speaker 1: off and it just feels to me like there are

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Speaker 1: land mines. Oh yeah, not necessarily the type of schedule

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Speaker 1: that you look at and say, Okay, there's a murderers.

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Speaker 1: There is a stretch where they've got USC on the road,

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Speaker 1: come back home against Utah back to back weeks. That'll

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Speaker 1: be tough. But starting out the season Boise State, okay,

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Speaker 1: two weeks later on the road at Michigan State, like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what to expect from either of those teams.

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Speaker 1: On the road at Arizona doesn't present to me like

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Speaker 1: it should be a losable game. But Arizona felt plucky

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Speaker 1: in spots last season and they will be better after

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Speaker 1: a by a week home against Oregon, a couple weeks

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Speaker 1: off before you've got the road game against USC before

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Speaker 1: you come back home against Utah. So it's a tester

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Speaker 1: of a schedule on the surface, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: it's going to get its fair shake for how difficult

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Speaker 1: it could be, but it will certainly provide a test

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Speaker 1: for deboron here.

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Speaker 3: Two.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no question.

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Speaker 3: I think what everyone goes through right away is that

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Speaker 3: November stretch that you mentioned. You have USC on the road,

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Speaker 3: which presents itself as a monster matchup, but then you've

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Speaker 3: got Utah at home, and that's the team that's won

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Speaker 3: the Pac twelve the last two years. Then you know

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Speaker 3: Oregon State is a legitimate Pac twelve contender with dj

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Speaker 3: at QB.

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Speaker 1: Didn't even mention Oregon State, but absolutely yeah, in.

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Speaker 2: A renovated stadium.

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Speaker 3: And then I believe you go straight into the Apple Cup,

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Speaker 3: which U dub has mostly dominated in the last decade.

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Speaker 2: But you just never know what the Apple Cup. It's

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Speaker 2: a little bit of a different deal.

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Speaker 3: Like you said, I mean, it's one of those situations

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Speaker 3: where they they won out their last seven games. I

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Speaker 3: believe last season this is going to be a massive challenge.

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Speaker 3: But also if you just focus on that, you're forgetting

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Speaker 3: that in your opener, you're gonna be favored. But Boise's

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Speaker 3: Day was pretty good last year too, and that's a

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Speaker 3: sneaky game in Michigan State. We have no idea what

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Speaker 3: Michigan State's going to be on the road in that

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Speaker 3: environment in Big ten Country. You dubbed took one of

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Speaker 3: their best young players in Jeremy Bernard and the transfer

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Speaker 3: portal this offseason, but there's an awful lot there. And

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Speaker 3: that's a team that got sort of embarrassed in Seattle

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Speaker 3: last year and they're going to have an awful lot

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Speaker 3: of motivation to not let that happen again. So I

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Speaker 3: think if they can go into that November stretch undefeated,

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Speaker 3: then it's just you know, you you, you know, you

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Speaker 3: put your cards down and you see what happens. But

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Speaker 3: there's also some some sneaky games prior to that that

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Speaker 3: we'll see if they can, you know, get through that

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Speaker 3: part of the schedule and scathed all.

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Speaker 1: Right before I let you go, Mike from give us

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Speaker 1: kind of like a I don't know, a surprising prediction,

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Speaker 1: just something that we can use on social media to

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Speaker 1: promote this. I don't know, something that you've been looking

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Speaker 1: forward to this coming season that more people should be

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Speaker 1: aware of surprising prediction.

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Speaker 3: I think this is a team that is thought of

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Speaker 3: a certain way, and that's that Mike Mike Penix is

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Speaker 3: going to throw it eighty times and they're going to

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Speaker 3: lead the you know, the lead the country in passing.

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Speaker 3: I do think that that will be a massive part

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Speaker 3: of their team. But I also think that they've built

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Speaker 3: a ton into the running back room, where we haven't

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Speaker 3: seen a bunch of Dylan Johnson this offseason because he's

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Speaker 3: had some injury stuff. But that dude is all of

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Speaker 3: six one, five, two thirty and I think is a

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Speaker 3: different kind of back than they've had in their.

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Speaker 2: Program and that many PAC twelve programs have.

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Speaker 3: And I think if you get him with a Cameron

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Speaker 3: Davis some other guys in the running back room, they've

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Speaker 3: got a chance to be really interesting from a running perspective.

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Speaker 3: The balance they have offensively, I think that'll be fascinating. Defensively,

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Speaker 3: you know, they've got depth issues on their edge.

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Speaker 2: But Brailn Trice is really really good and I don't

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Speaker 2: know how many people know that.

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Speaker 3: And then ZTF is the question of a guy who

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Speaker 3: was an All American in twenty twenty and has never

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Speaker 3: quite been the same guy towards Achilles the next spring.

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Speaker 3: If he can be on those two guys lining up

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Speaker 3: next to me, you know, on on opposite sides have

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Speaker 3: the opportunity to be one of the better edge pairings

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Speaker 3: in college football. So you know, like I said, there's

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Speaker 3: a lot of issue in terms of secondary play and

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Speaker 3: what's going to happen there. But I'm curious just to

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Speaker 3: see them rush the passer and to see where Brailen

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Speaker 3: Trice specifically, what he can be where he's just gotten

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Speaker 3: so much better year after year the last three years.

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Speaker 3: So a couple things there, edgeplay and also the running

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Speaker 3: game I think could be a little sneaky.

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Speaker 1: I will take that. Mike, thank you so much for

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