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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyon, and this is episode number three.

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Speaker 1: Today we're gonna be talking about scouting and hunting heavily

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Speaker 1: pressured white tails, and joining us is big buck killing

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Speaker 1: legend Dan Infult of the Hunting Beast dot Com. This

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Speaker 1: is gonna be good, so stick around all right. Joining me,

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Speaker 1: of course, is my pale Dallas fort Worth. Hey, Bud,

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Speaker 1: I'm doing pretty good. I have a beer right next

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Speaker 1: to me that I will be drinking throughout this podcast,

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Speaker 1: so I'm good to go. Excellent. I just finished off

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Speaker 1: my first one of the night, so we're both in

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Speaker 1: good shape. And for the listeners out there, I'm referring

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Speaker 1: to you as Dallas fort Worth today because we have

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Speaker 1: another Dan on the line. As I mentioned, we've got

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Speaker 1: a special guest today. This is Dan in Fault of

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Speaker 1: the Hunting Beast dot Com. Welcome to the show. Dan. Hi, guys,

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Speaker 1: we're super glad you could join us. And for all

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Speaker 1: the listeners out there who maybe are familiar with who

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Speaker 1: you are, Dan Um, you know. I know. You are

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Speaker 1: the creator of the Hunting Beast dot com, which is

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Speaker 1: a super popular message boarding forum for hardcore hunters, and

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Speaker 1: you've really developed quite a following of people that are

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Speaker 1: interested in how you hunt and how you go about things. Um.

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Speaker 1: I first found out about you from a couple of

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Speaker 1: my buddies who've been following your forum and really love it.

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Speaker 1: And I also saw your DVDs um Hunting marsh Bucks

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Speaker 1: and Hunting Hill Country Bucks, which we're you know, super informative. UM.

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Speaker 1: That sad. We want to get you on the show

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Speaker 1: here today to talk a little about scouting. I know

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Speaker 1: that's a big part of how you've had your success

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Speaker 1: in the past, and we kind of wanted to better

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Speaker 1: understand how you go about scouting, how that helps you,

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Speaker 1: and maybe how that's helped you really develop the type

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Speaker 1: of strategies that help you kill so many big bucks

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Speaker 1: you've gotten in the past. Does that sound like a

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Speaker 1: good plan? Sure? Awesome? So maybe just to kick things

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Speaker 1: right off then, you know, Dan, can you start off?

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Speaker 1: I explained to us, you know why you believe that

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Speaker 1: spring scouting is so important for the hardcore white til hunter. Well, there's, uh,

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Speaker 1: there's a few reasons for that. I think the best

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Speaker 1: the season, if you're taked out, you know, in the

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Speaker 1: deer in their patterns right then. But usually I'm never

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Speaker 1: taked out. I'm always holding out or something, right, I

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Speaker 1: usually got someplace to go or whatever. But spring, as

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Speaker 1: soon as that snow melts, if you're in the north country,

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Speaker 1: um all the signs preserved under dead snow. From the fall,

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Speaker 1: you can see the deer beds. You can you know,

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Speaker 1: you can see rubs and scrapes for a quarter mile

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Speaker 1: because there's no grainery, and uh, it makes scouting a

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Speaker 1: little fat us you're more effective and I don't have

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Speaker 1: to worry about oomping the deer out of their beds

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Speaker 1: and stuff and and uh have them get buggy for

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Speaker 1: a month or two. You know, I can go in

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Speaker 1: there and getting these bedding areas and stuff, and and

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Speaker 1: uh really figure out these deer how they get in

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Speaker 1: spook them to the point where it's going to affect

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Speaker 1: them in the fall, you know. And I think the

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Speaker 1: that makes all the sense in the world. I have

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Speaker 1: done a little bit of scouting already this year. But

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Speaker 1: you know, do you do any scouting right after the

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Speaker 1: I'm always scouting. Okay, YEA not a bad idea at all. Now,

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Speaker 1: So let's say you're heading out there this time of

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Speaker 1: Maybe take us through what a day of scouting looks

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Speaker 1: like for you Dan. For me, I usually start out

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Speaker 1: deer's point of view and think about why he's better there,

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Speaker 1: you know what the what windy is gonna be better

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Speaker 1: And I want to get just beyond that point from

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Speaker 1: You know, a lot of these big bucks that I shoot,

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Speaker 1: Only if it's associated with betting or if I'm planning

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Speaker 1: on rut hunting. Okay, okay, Now, in regards to find

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Speaker 1: I think that's really important. I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: You know, they come back in and they're surprised when

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Speaker 1: there's what I call satellite betting. They see a lot

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Speaker 1: is used by one big buck and it's not. Those

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Speaker 1: multiple bucks will use those bets. And what happens is

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Speaker 1: there's satellite betting around them, so there will be multiple bets.

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Speaker 1: And if you're set up on that that main bed

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Speaker 1: So are these satellite beds then other bucks or could

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Speaker 1: that be us also possibly do betting? Well, it can

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Speaker 1: be do betting. But but what I was referring to

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Speaker 1: to you know, how do you know how do you

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Speaker 1: us about that and I've I've read some of your

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Speaker 1: so I've got a high level idea of that. But

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Speaker 1: then secondly, where should people be looking for those? Okay? Um,

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Speaker 1: You know, there's beds all over place. Well, there's mature

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Speaker 1: on the maps, and so are those are those best

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Speaker 1: good cover, but also where they can see maybe in

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Speaker 1: any danger that might be approaching. And then usually they'll

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Speaker 1: have the wind to their back. Is that accurate? Correct?

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Speaker 1: an obstacle against their back. So if you find a

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Speaker 1: direction he beds there on. M Okay, So if I'm

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Speaker 1: You know what I've always thought when I'm looking for

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Speaker 1: I just wasn't observing it with that animal. Okay, it

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Speaker 1: right direction, I went out there and there was like

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00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,919
Speaker 1: three tree stands over the rub line. I had to

430
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:20,920
Speaker 1: walk past the guy in a tent, I had walked

431
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,439
Speaker 1: past another guy in a tree. Get up to those

432
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,360
Speaker 1: things bedding area and sneak up a tree seventy five

433
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,119
Speaker 1: yards from the bed, and he got up out of

434
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:30,679
Speaker 1: the exact bed. I thought he was gonna get up

435
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 1: at him, came under me and I shot him under

436
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,919
Speaker 1: my tree seventy five yards from his bed. It was

437
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 1: um October thirty one, Halloween day, and it was closing

438
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 1: time when I shot him seventy five yards from his bed. Wow,

439
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 1: you know, if you were sitting on those rubs, you

440
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 1: didn't have a chance. Now, there was young bucks running

441
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,440
Speaker 1: all over the place. I mean, those guys could shoot those,

442
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 1: But this mature box, he wasn't even in the rut

443
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,680
Speaker 1: under that kind of pressure. He wasn't moving until at last,

444
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 1: you know, twenty minutes or so. And by the time

445
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:04,439
Speaker 1: you got to meet it's cold and time when I

446
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,920
Speaker 1: shot him. But as rubs were, nowhere's around that bed.

447
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 1: So when you're moving in on these betting areas that

448
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 1: you've already identified, are you is there any given time

449
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 1: of day Will you sneak into a betting area in

450
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 1: the morning or is it only in the afternoon, or

451
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 1: how do you go about deciding when it's worth the

452
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:25,639
Speaker 1: risk of moving in there or moving closer um the

453
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 1: actual buck beds? The best time to hunt him is

454
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,479
Speaker 1: in the evening, and the reason for that is mature

455
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 1: bucks often bed before daylight, and they often come in

456
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 1: with the wind to their nose to the beds, but

457
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 1: they don't actually leave like that, So they'll circle a

458
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:41,919
Speaker 1: bed and area and then come in with the you know,

459
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 1: windsor knows, So you gotta do where they circle. And

460
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 1: the wind changes a little every day, so where exactly

461
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 1: they come into that that changes a little every day.

462
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 1: And I mean, you can beat that a little bit

463
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 1: like getting high at the tree. But most of the

464
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 1: time when I go into those beds, if the buck

465
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 1: shows up, he's there before I up there. It kicks

466
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 1: out of the bed in the darkness, or he comes

467
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 1: in before it's light enough to shoot him and sentence

468
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 1: me before I have a shot. He's still hunt mornings

469
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 1: and I'm still successful every now and then in the mornings,

470
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,400
Speaker 1: but I only hunt the spots that there's no way

471
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 1: I can get close enough too in the evening because

472
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 1: my success rate is so much higher in the evenings.

473
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 1: And do you usually have I know I've heard a

474
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 1: lot about you being pretty mobile. Are you ever setting

475
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 1: up your standing with a climber or or you know,

476
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,640
Speaker 1: standing sticks that night when you're going in to hunt

477
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,119
Speaker 1: one of these betting airs, or do you already have

478
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 1: stands up and going earlier in the year for most

479
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:46,439
Speaker 1: of these spots. Right now, I'm probably at about mobile

480
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 1: where I set up my stand every time I go out,

481
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 1: and I'm setting them up really close to these books. Um.

482
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 1: I I do have some permanence out now. As I'm

483
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 1: getting older, it's getting a little a little easier on

484
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 1: the on the private land, but they're in set positions,

485
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 1: and then they're usually not where I killed a big buck.

486
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 1: Usually I see the buck from him and moved to him.

487
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 1: But I do kill some bucks from from permanence, but

488
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 1: not very many. Most of the stuff is the first

489
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,199
Speaker 1: time in for the year, uh, And most of my

490
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: biggest bucks are the first time I ever sat to

491
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: stand Wow. Now when you're setting these stands up, you know,

492
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: being so close to a betting area. Is it just

493
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: that you just take a lot of time and be

494
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 1: really careful to be quiet or is there anything you

495
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: do special to your equipment or anything to help you

496
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,959
Speaker 1: be a little more stealthy. Yeah. I I cover my

497
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 1: sticks in my stand perimeter with a product called still

498
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:49,679
Speaker 1: strips um that's made out of a guy out of Michigan. Um.

499
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: It's uh a micro fleece that doesn't absorb water, and

500
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 1: it's got a really sticky backing and you can't get

501
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,639
Speaker 1: the stuff back off after you put on or sound.

502
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 1: There's no clank to it and such, and especially you

503
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: want to cover the spot where I don't I know

504
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: a lot of the guys probably a lot of you

505
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: guys listening to use like the lone Wolf stands where

506
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 1: the seat claps into the bottom, you know, you get

507
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 1: the middle of metal contact. I always got something between there.

508
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 1: I mean what even before the stell strips, I had

509
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 1: loads of tape in there um And when I get

510
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 1: about a hundred yards in the bed. I don't think

511
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 1: everybody has to do this, but this works for me.

512
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean it'll work for you, but it does

513
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: for me, you know, in his fast paced society. You know,

514
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 1: I'm walking speedy gainzellas everywhere I go, And when I

515
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: get about a hundred yards in the bed, I actually

516
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: have to stop and sit down and just relax for

517
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 1: a minute and then settle down and then really get

518
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: my game on for going slow. And I planned my

519
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: route as I'm going. I'm looking where I'm gonna step.

520
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: I'm looking ahead of myself. What can I get away

521
00:26:58,280 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: with is your longer. I can walk on where I'm

522
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: not hunch of leaves and stuff. If I make a noise,

523
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: I stopped and wait, you know, for a while before

524
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: I move forward. Um, when I get to the tree,

525
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: I try to keep the tree between me and the bed,

526
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: and so I can look at the bed as I'm

527
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: climbing and and I can watch over there, and you know,

528
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: and and I have the camouflage of the tree in

529
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 1: between me. And when I set up the stand, I

530
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 1: set up, you know, around the tree in front of me,

531
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 1: and then I'm looking forward for the right time and stuff,

532
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 1: and I'm moving. I stepped into the stand and right hunt. Wow,

533
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: I gotta believe that'd be some pretty high stress tree

534
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 1: stand prep. I can I think my heart would be

535
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 1: beating a million miles a minute just thinking there might

536
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 1: be a giant buck yards away. I can remember one time,

537
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: about ten or fifteen years ago, I went on after

538
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 1: a snowstorm bowl hunting and caught a big track and

539
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: the snow had stopped about two hours before daylight. And

540
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 1: my goal was to cut a big track, follow with

541
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: the betting and set up on it, you know. So

542
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 1: I knew this buck was going to betting. I mean

543
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 1: this not ha only been on the ground a couple

544
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: of hours. So I followed this big track into a

545
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 1: point and you could see an island out of there

546
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 1: into cattails, and I'm thinking, I got this send. When

547
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: he comes out of there's only one way out the

548
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 1: way he went in. I got them. So I climb

549
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: up this tree, and uh, I get way up high,

550
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: so you know, I won't have any wind problems and

551
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 1: stuff or scent problems. And I get up there and

552
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 1: get that thing set up, and I pulled my bowl

553
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: up and I turned around and sit down and look out,

554
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 1: and I'm looking straight down into that island at that

555
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: buck looking up at me. It's a big rash felt

556
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: so stupid, and you know that's gonna happen when we

557
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: need to do stuff like this. But that's the kind

558
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: of things with me that really teach a lesson, you know. Um,

559
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: when I shoot a buck or something, that's not the

560
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: thing that teaches me something. When I failed, that's what

561
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: teaches me something. You know. I learned that day that

562
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 1: I really got to pay attention to what's going on

563
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: around me. I mean careful climbing a tree, I mean,

564
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: look at what's going on, you know. And a lot

565
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: of times now I'm hunting, you know, six or eight

566
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: feet off the ground, so that the deer don't see

567
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: me from his bed looking up, all right, makes sense?

568
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: So speaking of that then, also, how how often Maybe

569
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: sometimes you won't realize this, but how often do you

570
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: think you end up spooking these bucks other beds? It

571
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: seems like pretty high risk, higher reward type proposition the

572
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: way that you're hunting these deer. How often do you

573
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: think that happens or do you feel like you've minimized

574
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: that to a degree? Given your spirts, It probably happens

575
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: a couple of times every year that I know of,

576
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: and probably even more than that that I don't. I

577
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: think the majority of time I don't because I'm so

578
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: aware of where the betting area is. You know, if

579
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: you know where they're bedded, there should be no problem there.

580
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: What he usually catches me is if they've moved a

581
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: little bit that they shifted. Last year, I was on

582
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: the one that was hunting, that was bedding in a

583
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: little bed in area adjacent to an island, and while

584
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: I was climbing up, you know, sneaking through the island,

585
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: he gets up right in front of me better than

586
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: the island. So does that that happens? You know? But

587
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: I think you've got to look at it from a

588
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: different mindset. I mean, everybody's so worried about spooking those

589
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: beer that they put themselves out of the game by

590
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: putting themselves too far back. If you don't occasionally see

591
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: a tail jump up in front of you, and don't

592
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: occasionally hear one crash off and go ah, I'm so stupid.

593
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: If you don't occasionally do that, you're not pushing the

594
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: envelope far enough. How many you're probably not killing very

595
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: many either. Yeah, yeah, you're probably right. How many chances

596
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: do you think you usually have with a buck like that,

597
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: and I know you're hunting pretty heavily pressure ground. Is

598
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: it usually a one and done thing? If you spook it,

599
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: he's probably long gone and turn nocturnal. Or have you

600
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: ever had second chances? You know that's a hard one

601
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: to answer. You know, I get second chances. Um. I think.

602
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: I think a lot of the time. It's um buck specific.

603
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: Each book has a different paranoia and stuff. They're like people.

604
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: You know, one buck might tolerate you going into this

605
00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,040
Speaker 1: bedinary four days in a row. One might tolerate it

606
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: once and he's gone. Um. If I see a buck

607
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: in a bed and area and I don't get a shot,

608
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: I'm there the next day, um, or the next day

609
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: I have the right wind. And the one I was

610
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: just talking about that it was on that island. Um.

611
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: He got up, ran off into the cat till that

612
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: was about a hundred ten pointer and that was on

613
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: public land. I heard him run it tho his cat

614
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: tails and kind of stop, and I stood here for

615
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: a second thinking about it, and I thought, well, I

616
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: got the wind in my favor. He saw me, you know,

617
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: he saw me from where he was betting, So I thought,

618
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: you know, I'm okay with that. It's when he smell

619
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: you that they really spooke. He doesn't know exactly what

620
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: he was looking at. He just know it didn't belong here.

621
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 1: So I crept up and set up in the tree anyways,

622
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: and at dark he came in and I almost shot

623
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: him that night from just in the catils. Also he

624
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: did was moved to the next bed area. Um, but

625
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: I've also had it. You know. There's one time I

626
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: kicked this really nice buck out of a bed in

627
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: area I didn't even know existed until I kicked him

628
00:31:58,680 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: out of there. But I kicked him out of this

629
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: slump of brush that you had a bed under it,

630
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: and he runs off, and I'm thinking, Wow, I didn't

631
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: know buck was better there. You know. The next day

632
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: I come through there because it was a nice place

633
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: to traverse into this marsh. Next day, COMPUTER kicked that

634
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: same buck out of that bed, and I think, God,

635
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: I should sit up with the top of that thing.

636
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: And now he's out of here for sure. The next

637
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: day I kicked a damn book out of that debt again.

638
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: The fourth day I satter like a fool, and he

639
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: never came back. That's how it goes, right, Now I

640
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: have a question in regards to public hunting land. Now,

641
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: I know a lot of our listeners will probably be

642
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: hunting public land. Um, I myself have had enough experiences

643
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: with public hunting land that I just have kind of

644
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: not done it. But how can you use other hunters

645
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: in high pressured you know, public land situations, heck, or

646
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: even or even private land situations where you're sharing a

647
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: hunting property with another hunter. How can you use another

648
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: hunter as an advantage to you when going into these properties.

649
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: Let's say that's a really good question and one people

650
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: should look at a little a little closer. Because most

651
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: hunters go out and they look for stuff that looks

652
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: like deer hunting. I mean, they look for the big

653
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: woods where they can set up the tree stands and

654
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: look for rub lints to look for scrapes and stuff,

655
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: and they go out to the centers of these woods.

656
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: And what I look for is what doesn't look like that.

657
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: I'm looking for what everybody's ignoring or overlooking. A lot

658
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: of these real big bucks I'm shooting on public are

659
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: read alongside the road, you know, adjacent to the parking lots.

660
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: Nobody even looks because they all go out a little

661
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: ways and start splitting off. Or there someplace, um that

662
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: just doesn't look like it should hold a deer. You

663
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: know it's a acre patch of trees. You know, everybody

664
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: walks past it to go through the big forest or something. Um.

665
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find those overlooked spots because I think

666
00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: the way a buck works is they avoid human set

667
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: and uh, where all these people go, they keep smelling humans,

668
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: they stay away from. So if you think about where

669
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: does nobody go, um, that's where the big bucks usually are.

670
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: That's a good point. That's a good point. Now, I

671
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: I far from the scouting and hunting aspect. I have

672
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 1: a question in regards to ethics and sharing a hunting property.

673
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: You hunt, you hunt public lands, so you probably run

674
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: into people all the time out there. Is there is

675
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,320
Speaker 1: there a code of ethics that needs to be followed

676
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: on public hunting ground as far as you know. Okay,

677
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: there's there's a first there's a guy here, Maybe I

678
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: should stay away from him. Maybe I shouldn't, you know,

679
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,280
Speaker 1: go into that area. Or is it more of every

680
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: man for himself type scenario? I think the way it

681
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: works is every man for itself. Maybe there should be

682
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: some ethics involved. Um, but I run until A lot

683
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: of people who have no ethics um or or don't

684
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: understand it. Let's say, you know, UM, my personal feeling

685
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 1: is if somebody's talking there, I move on. Um. If

686
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: they're actively hunting, I mean there there's not too many

687
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: spots in a public area that haven't been hunted. So

688
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: I mean, if you said you weren't gonna go anywhere

689
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: where somebody else hunted, you wouldn't be hunting. But um,

690
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: if you're run into somebody, they were there first, you

691
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: leave kind of thing. You make a noise. If somebody's

692
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: walking up by you, do you turn around a walk out? Usually? Um,

693
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: But my my opinion is if you're running into other

694
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: hunters in the spot that you're going, you're probably in

695
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: the wrong spot. That's not where the big buck is.

696
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 1: If a big buck is what you're after, I got

697
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: you foul. Question that too. Then go back to scouting.

698
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: Do you scout at all preseason or during the season.

699
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 1: Do you specifically ever look for a sign of other

700
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: hunters and do you use that It may it sounds

701
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: like you do use that to your advantage, But is

702
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 1: there anything specific you look for when trying to identify

703
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: where another hunter might be, other than you know, just

704
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: seeing him or his tree stand. Yeah, dry land and

705
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: easy access. UM usually the leave signs. But I can

706
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: generally look at a map and just block off where

707
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: I think hunters are going. UM. I like wet stuff,

708
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: like fixed stuff where people don't want to climb through

709
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: the stuff. They there's not straight trees to put a

710
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,919
Speaker 1: climber and you know that kind of stuff. Um, there's

711
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: sign of hunters wherever there are. You know, like that

712
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: if you go into the woods that really gets pounded.

713
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: I mean there's tax and all the trees. There's that

714
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: bottles land underground. But I would never even end up

715
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: in that woods because you can you can look at

716
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,760
Speaker 1: the property know where they're going to be. It's always

717
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 1: looking for the ideal UM, public land property. They don't

718
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: want to dry open woods because guys can go everywhere. UM.

719
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: I mean that varies. If you get out like Stay

720
00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 1: Iowa or some portions of western Wisconsin, or we're out

721
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: a lot of hundred pressure is, you can you can

722
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: get on a good property that's wooded by looking for

723
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: are areas that are public that are far away from

724
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: campgrounds and motels and talents, Um, But if you're you're

725
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: a large population of people, like like where I live, Um,

726
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 1: I'm looking for wet ground. I'm looking for swamps and

727
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 1: marshes and stuff that have some dry ground a lot

728
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: of wet because most honors won't go through water. They

729
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 1: won't wait out this stuff. A lot of the stands

730
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: I go to, I go through waste deep water to

731
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: get to them. Jeez, that's speaking of the water too.

732
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: I know you mentioned this a little bit a couple

733
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: of different times though you're telling some of the different

734
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: experiences you've had. But when it comes to hunting those

735
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: marshy situations, what do you look for when it comes

736
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 1: to betting airs? I think you know what I've seen

737
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: so far as where there's high ground, you're going to

738
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: find some betting areas. But is that all there is

739
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: when it comes to trying to find and trying to

740
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 1: scout those swampy areas or is there more to it? Well,

741
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: when you when you look at marsh here is um

742
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: the best terrain for a newbie. He is a cattail marsh.

743
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: They're super easy to read, and the reason they are

744
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: is because you can see it right in front of

745
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: your face. Anything that's not a cattail out there is

746
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: potentially a bed. I mean if it's actually a cattail marsh,

747
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,879
Speaker 1: not dogwood or you know with cat tails. If you've

748
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:21,760
Speaker 1: got islands out there, if you got a little points

749
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: that go into the cat tails off of mainlands, that

750
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: are gonna be on those points. If you get an

751
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 1: island out there, if there's some little brush tapering off

752
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: into the cantels, it's gonna be a bed in there.

753
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: If you see a couple of trees all by themselves

754
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: on the cattails, go to them. There's a bed under.

755
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: You see a big willow tree right on the edge

756
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: edge of the cattails that's surrounded by brush, it's gonna

757
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 1: get bet underneath. It. Um really easy to see, really

758
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: easy to learn from. What's hard for guys is when

759
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,320
Speaker 1: they get to a big swamp like a dog would swamp.

760
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,959
Speaker 1: It's got a lot of amrack in it and stuff.

761
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: They look around and I see everything looks the same.

762
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know what to do, but really

763
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:01,439
Speaker 1: it's just like that cattail marsh, only you can't see

764
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,399
Speaker 1: it for a hundred yards. So you're looking for those

765
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: high spots you're looking for those points that go off

766
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: into the into the dogwood out of a tamaracks and stuff,

767
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: and you're looking for that edge, you know, the transition

768
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: between trees and the dogwood or the dogwood h cat

769
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: tails and you know. So it's all the same basically,

770
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: it's just that it's harder to look at it and

771
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: that like swampy section. Okay, And can you can you

772
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: ever see some of those things even from like an

773
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: aerial map or Google maps. I've tried to do that

774
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: to a degree, and I think I've found some of

775
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:40,720
Speaker 1: those spots. But do you use that at all? Oh? Absolutely? Um,

776
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: I've gotten a found. You know, I've been doing this

777
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: for forty years, so you know, I gotta down to

778
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: the point now where I can look at one of

779
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: those uh, swamps or marshes and stuff. I'm pretty much

780
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: pinpoint where where the betting is. And when I go

781
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 1: out and scout it, it's right where I expected to be. Wow,

782
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: I can't say I'm quite that good yet. I am

783
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,399
Speaker 1: away far away from that. Yeah, I guess that We've

784
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,919
Speaker 1: got ways to go, Dallas, But this is this is awesome, Dan,

785
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: you know, Dallas, do you have any other quick followup questions.

786
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: Otherwise I think we're gonna probably want to wrap it

787
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: up here soon. Well, you know, obviously I could sit

788
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,439
Speaker 1: here and talk, you know, to you about this for

789
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: two days, three days straight, not even sleep, just go yeah,

790
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: because you know, I'm a sponge when it comes to

791
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: this kind of stuff. And but my question to you is,

792
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 1: I look at a guy like you. I enjoy reading

793
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: your articles, and because you put in a lot of

794
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: hard work, what is your take on I guess you

795
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:46,760
Speaker 1: want to say the quote unquote hunting industry and how

796
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: easy they make killing a big buck. Look, yeah, that's

797
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 1: that's uh, that's a good question. I think a lot

798
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: of people are fooled, but the hunting industry. I mean,

799
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 1: I've runned some managed land. Um. I did do a

800
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: couple of hunts on a property in Iowa this year

801
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: that was managed and I think I had seventeen bucks

802
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: come past me per day on average, and I passed

803
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,720
Speaker 1: one fifties every day. So I mean, when you compare

804
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: hunting like that to hunt in the public land, I

805
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 1: mean those guys watching those shows. You know, you think

806
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: about a young guy he turns on the TV and

807
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: he's watching those hunting shows, and he sees three pope

808
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: and young's walking on in an open field underneath this

809
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: guy at noon and the guys trying to decide which

810
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: one to shoot. When he goes out in the public

811
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: land and you see these guys set up like that,

812
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: just like the TV, right in the edges of these

813
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: fields and stuff, and you're like, you ain't get seen

814
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: nothing in that field till midnight. You know, they're kind

815
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: of misleading these young people with the way they do

816
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: the show. As I understanding, it kills to make a

817
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: show and stuff, but it's not reality. It's not what

818
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: the average guys are going through. And I think a

819
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: lot of it too, is biased in the fact that

820
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: these guys want to be on TV and want to

821
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: be in these shows so bad that they'll do anything,

822
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: and they gotta they gotta get money up to do that,

823
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:11,439
Speaker 1: and they do that through um hunting products. And when

824
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: these people are sponsored by these products, they have to

825
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: sell them and they have to say things about these

826
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: products and stuff, and it ain't always true, but I

827
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: think that they make you think you have to have,

828
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: you know, a you know, sent free suit. They make

829
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 1: you think you have to have the latest call and

830
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: all that stuff. And really, you know, I'm usually hunting

831
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 1: in blue jeans. Um had my tennis shoes a lot. Um,

832
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 1: I just wear a flannel shirt a lot of times.

833
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: You know. Sometimes they were camel jumpsuit. Um. I usually

834
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: have my bowl, some arrows, a tree stand, sticks, a

835
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: camera arm and a camera nothing else. Um, I don't

836
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 1: have a pack, nothing. I just thought they're the way

837
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: I am, and that's all I hunt. And I think

838
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: most people think you can't even you know, hunt like that,

839
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: you know, the way, the way they portray it is

840
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 1: kind of wrong, I think. I guess, Uh, no one

841
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,879
Speaker 1: can argue with your results. Is it right that you've

842
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: killed over thirty pope and young bucks? Is that the

843
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 1: right number? Yeah, it's full right, Yeah, that's uh, it's

844
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 1: pretty impressive, Dallas, you and I have got a way

845
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: to go, right, We got a little more than a

846
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: waste to go. My friend, I'm hoping here's fingers crossed

847
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,240
Speaker 1: to a good two thousand fourteen one more, not tropefully,

848
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: but but yeah, this is awesome, Dan, thank you, thank

849
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: you so much for for sharing us. I think I

850
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: think I can speak for Dallas and saying that we

851
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 1: both learned a ton um from everything you had to

852
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: share today, and I think our listeners of course would too,

853
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 1: so so thank you, and I think we're definitely gonna

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