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Speaker 1: Finally somebody is willing to say it out loud. It's

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Speaker 1: one more thing, one.

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Speaker 2: More Nobody's had the guts to say it until now. Apparently.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on here, but I'm excited.

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Speaker 1: First of all, Katie mentioned going to McDonald's. Oh what'd

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Speaker 1: you get at McDonald's And was this a pregnant woman craving?

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Speaker 3: Yes, it was a pregnant woman craving that I put

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Speaker 3: off for about a week and a half and I

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Speaker 3: ended up getting a McChicken and a double cheeseburger and fries.

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Speaker 1: Is this the new McChicken? No, there's a new chicken.

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Speaker 3: It's called that's called the mc crispy.

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Speaker 1: I'm not playing that game. I'm going to old school.

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Speaker 2: There you go.

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Speaker 1: I'm not playing that game. I almost got the mccrispy

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Speaker 1: the other day because it looked pretty good. But it

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Speaker 1: did look good, but no, I wanted that game. I

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Speaker 1: wanted the old school McChicken for way too long.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do you have a Chick fil A within driving distance?

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Speaker 1: I do you do?

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Speaker 2: But you went with the McDonald's instead.

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Speaker 3: Oh it cares nothing. There is a flat it's like

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Speaker 3: kind of like you know, Subway has that certain taste

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Speaker 3: and smell. McDonald's has the same thing.

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Speaker 1: You just can't once you Yeah, did you have anything

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Speaker 1: with it? Do you have fries or anything? I did.

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Speaker 1: I got a medium fry and clearly there's nothing like

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Speaker 1: McDonald's fries. Yeah, you get a mcfluury.

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Speaker 3: I did not. I am not a child.

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Speaker 1: Well said, that's a damn good dessert, though, Oh boy.

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Speaker 1: I took the kids to McDonald's and I wondered, I thought,

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Speaker 1: are we going to regret this? And we all enjoyed it.

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Speaker 1: It was delicious. It's not good for you, but it was.

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Speaker 1: It was freaking good, so good. I had a quarter

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Speaker 1: pounder with cheese no onions, which is one of my

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Speaker 1: go tos with fries, and it was it was just good.

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Speaker 1: It was expensive, but it was good. Speaking of eating

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Speaker 1: like that, I wondered when this might happen. You got

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Speaker 1: a former body positive influencer who's come out and said

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Speaker 1: these people are radicals, and I was brainwalking. Very big woman,

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Speaker 1: h five foot tall, four hundred pounds, Holy hell, pretty big,

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Speaker 1: but very attractive and very pretty face. You know, just

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Speaker 1: do you have her name? What is her name? Here?

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Speaker 1: I do have her name Gabriella Lescano, okay, and she

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Speaker 1: became a champion of the body positivity movement, on the

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Speaker 1: cover of all kinds of magazines about loving yourself at

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Speaker 1: any size and all that sort of stuff. And then

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Speaker 1: as she got a little bit older, because she became

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Speaker 1: famous when she's quite young, but she got a tiny

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Speaker 1: bit older, and she said, some days I would look

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Speaker 1: at photos and not even recognize myself and my height

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Speaker 1: and weight, and I became really uncomfortable with my weight.

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Speaker 1: I just I didn't feel good. It was very hard

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Speaker 1: to like, I couldn't ride rides at the amusement park,

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Speaker 1: and just all these different things she didn't like about

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Speaker 1: about wanting to lose weight, they got really hostile toward her,

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Speaker 1: about being you know, fat, shaming people and you're a

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Speaker 1: traitor to us and all this diff and she realized

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Speaker 1: that it was a bit of a racket as opposed

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Speaker 1: to your really work looking out for what's best for people.

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Speaker 1: She bought into the idea that you know, you're trying to,

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Speaker 1: you know, make people like me who are big feel

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Speaker 1: good about themselves. But no, they're hostile toward the idea

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Speaker 1: of losing weight and eating healthy, she realized, and so

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Speaker 1: now she has turned on them.

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Speaker 3: One thing I've noticed about these body positivity pages and

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Speaker 3: it was when I was a big girl. They were

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Speaker 3: suggested to me on Instagram and TikTok. These pages would

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Speaker 3: just end up in my for you and like you said,

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Speaker 3: it was a way to make big girls feel better

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Speaker 3: about themselves. But then it really turns you away from any.

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Speaker 1: Push to get healthy.

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Speaker 3: So and your why when you look at the they

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Speaker 3: argue about how healthy they are, They argue about how

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Speaker 3: you know, working out is not even what it's you

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Speaker 3: know it's about I've been working out for years and

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Speaker 3: it did nothing, and it gives you every reason to not.

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Speaker 1: Which is the last thing I need to hear. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like every drunk wants everybody else to have

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Speaker 2: another drink, too, right, and every stoner wants everybody to

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Speaker 2: get high, and just because you know that's true, better

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Speaker 1: But there wasn't a giant nationwide be a drunk movement

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Speaker 1: in which you you talked about how great it is

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Speaker 1: to be a drunk and shamed anybody who had anything

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Speaker 1: criticals to say about it, because that'd be crazy. Well right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but they did that for being, you know, obese at

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Speaker 1: a really unhealthy level, to be unkind, there's no excuse

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Speaker 2: But that's not what we're talking about, and that's the

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Speaker 2: and that's what they always put up. They attack the

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Speaker 2: straw man of quote unquote fat shaming. No, you seem

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Speaker 2: like a good person. I care about you. I want

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Speaker 2: you to not die prematurely. That's not shaming.

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Speaker 1: Leskana said that she eventually saw the body positivity community

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Speaker 1: become hostile toward weight loss and exercise like you were saying, Katie,

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Speaker 1: even for health purposes, which led her to turning on

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Speaker 1: the movement. Then she really realized what they were like.

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Speaker 1: But as the body positivity community became more radical, I

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Speaker 1: was scared to say the wrong thing, so I stayed silent.

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Speaker 1: Then a friend of mine died and I decided to

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Speaker 1: speak out. But everybody came after me, trying to make

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Speaker 1: me feel guilty for saying anything and being fatphobic and

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Speaker 1: blah blah blah. Who's the big singer who Lizzo? She

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Speaker 1: has talked about that since she lost all her weight,

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Speaker 1: that a lot of people turned on her when she

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Speaker 1: lost weight and she's she says, I'm healthier now. This

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Speaker 1: was clearly a good idea, but a lot of people

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Speaker 2: Yeah, It's like I was saying, everybody wants feel better

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Speaker 2: about themselves, and that's why. You know, the flip side

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Speaker 2: of that is the proverb or whatever it is about

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Speaker 2: the metaphor about crabs pulling the other crabs back down

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Speaker 2: into the bucket if they try to climb out. It's

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Speaker 2: a terrible malady, it might be. It's one of the

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Speaker 2: two candidates for the most serious problems with poor inner

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Speaker 2: city culture is the kids shaming the other kids for

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Speaker 2: learning or acting white or whatever the epithet might be.

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Speaker 2: It's terrible.

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Speaker 1: I was around that. I was around that a lot

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Speaker 1: in rural area, grown men in their forties who did

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Speaker 1: really mundane labor for low wages, who really had a

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Speaker 1: bad attitude about any Like when they found out I

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Speaker 1: was going to go to college as a high school kid,

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Speaker 1: just you know, really trashed that whole idea, like you're

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Speaker 1: being traitor to your class or something.

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Speaker 3: God, that's such a weird mentality to trash that rather

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Speaker 3: than merely motivated.

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Speaker 1: Clearly human nature though. I mean, yeah, people do it.

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Speaker 1: It's it's bad, it's really awful. You got to watch

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Speaker 1: out for it. M I thought that's really interesting. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you're forty years old and you're slinging hay bales for

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Speaker 1: five dollars an hour. But somebody else who tries to

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Speaker 1: do end up with something maybe better, easier than this

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Speaker 1: is crab buckets. Yeah, exactly, bucket of crabs. Oh so good.

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Speaker 1: I'm hungry. I'm trying to go get it pregnant, lady.

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Speaker 1: I don't have trouble with the crabs. You can talk

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Speaker 1: about too much work. I don't want to put that

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Speaker 1: much with crabs. Very good, that's what I was thinking.

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Speaker 2: That needs to be the title of the podcast. That

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Speaker 2: needs to be a drop Hanson.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I should put that on my bumble page, right

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Speaker 1: on the profile