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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to another edition of Cardinal Territory.

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Speaker 1: Jim Hayes alongside Matt Holliday and Lance Lynn. Kyle Gibson

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Speaker 1: was with us, but then he lost Internet because he

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Speaker 1: is on the road, and gentlemen, there is a lot

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Speaker 1: to talk about still, the fallout after the Dodger signing

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Speaker 1: Kyle Tucker. Also, the winter warm up is wrapping up

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Speaker 1: here in Saint Louis, But let's start with the Kyle

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Speaker 1: Tucker fallout. Now, there has been a number of guys

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Speaker 1: in the baseball media that have predicted the Tucker signing

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Speaker 1: is the end of baseball and quite possibly the end

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Speaker 1: of civilization as we know it, and their argument I

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Speaker 1: think has some validity to it. Basically, they're saying these

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Speaker 1: kind of contracts for really just another piece to an

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Speaker 1: already crowded puzzle for the Dodgers is unsustainable for baseball

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Speaker 1: across the board. Again, I think there's some validity to it.

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Speaker 1: But there's also the other side of the argument. For

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Speaker 1: those that don't know the Dodgers signing Tucker, he's a

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Speaker 1: very good player to a four year, two hundred and

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Speaker 1: forty million dollar contract. So Matt, where are you on this.

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Speaker 1: Is it the end of baseball or is it just

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Speaker 1: something for baseball to work through.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, I mean I think that look that they

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Speaker 2: have the money, they're willing to spend it. They've structured

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Speaker 2: all these contracts in a way that makes it doable

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Speaker 2: for them. You know, when you have a player like

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Speaker 2: do these kind of deals that are shorter term. I

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Speaker 2: still don't think it guarantees them. I don't think you

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Speaker 2: put him on their team and go, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 2: they're gonna win the World Series so easily. I still

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Speaker 2: think that they're that's not a guaranteed, you know, World Championship. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: they have a lot of talent and and they've have

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Speaker 2: the financial ability to to pay maybe more than other

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Speaker 2: other teams do. But look, I don't I don't think

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Speaker 2: that this is like I don't think it's as gloom

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Speaker 2: and doom or as a man, it's we've got to

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Speaker 2: do something drastic to to baseball to fix this. I mean,

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Speaker 2: if you look at it, I mean, the Dodgers have

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Speaker 2: won a couple lately, but I still think, you know,

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Speaker 2: there's ways to win and and there's teams that are, uh,

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Speaker 2: they're capable of signing Kyle Tucker uh to that contract.

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Speaker 2: And there's teams that are capable of signing U Yamamoto

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Speaker 2: to what he got and and and they just choosing

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Speaker 2: not to. And so you look, I mean, I think

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Speaker 2: Lance and I and Kyle probably would all agree that

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Speaker 2: this is the The owners probably love this, and they're

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Speaker 2: they're probably pushing towards, uh this being the time when

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Speaker 2: we get the salary cap, that they finally have the

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Speaker 2: the you know, sort of the ammunition uh to get

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Speaker 2: the salary cap that they've wanted for so long. And

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Speaker 2: they might they might get it, but I think there's

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Speaker 2: certainly gonna have to be some some things come from

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Speaker 2: the other side, whether it's you know, less years to

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Speaker 2: free agency or less years to arbitration, or you know,

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Speaker 2: bringing the minimum salary way up, or bringing the floor

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Speaker 2: of payrolls, making these other organizations spend the money that

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Speaker 2: with the cap, and making sure that the cap is

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Speaker 2: high enough that there's still a free market. So I look,

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Speaker 2: I think there's a lot to work through and a

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Speaker 2: lot to think about. But it's going to be an

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Speaker 2: interesting next eighteen months in Baseball's.

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Speaker 3: How do you look at it?

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Speaker 4: I think you're looking at a team that's it's their window.

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Speaker 4: They know what's going on, and they see kind of

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Speaker 4: the you know, the outline of where everything's at, and

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Speaker 4: they're not afraid to do what they need to do

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Speaker 4: to keep going when everyone else has the opportunity to

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Speaker 4: do the same things. You know, this is put in

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Speaker 4: place when the Mets owner took over there. Everybody was

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Speaker 4: you get structured away where we can defer money, we

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Speaker 4: can have interest off this money, and then that interest

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Speaker 4: off the money that we're doing is paying for our

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Speaker 4: taxes that we're getting charged over with. So they're smarter

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Speaker 4: than everyone, and everyone's pissed off about it. But everyone,

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Speaker 4: every billionaire, is able to do the same thing. They

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Speaker 4: just don't want to do it because it makes them

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Speaker 4: look it makes it look bad, and it really puts

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Speaker 4: at this as a oh, this is the only way

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Speaker 4: there are so many things that the owners were going

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Speaker 4: thinkable as a possibility for the players to even make

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Speaker 4: a cap system. So they're all talking about the cap

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Speaker 4: and this and that, but they're not talking about all

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Speaker 4: the things that they'll have to give up. And the

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Speaker 4: owners in baseball have more rights over players for the

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Speaker 4: longer period of time at lower salaries than any other

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Speaker 4: give up those. So how do you think the players

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Speaker 4: owners aren't going to give up anything that they have

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Speaker 4: to do to even make it respectably fair. And Matt

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Speaker 4: and I all know this, and Kyle knows this. Every

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Speaker 4: team has ballpark villages and all these things that are

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Speaker 4: And they won't show the players what revenue that they

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Speaker 4: count and what the revenue they don't. So there's a

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Speaker 4: they're not even open their books for players to see

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Speaker 4: what a revenue sharing system, a cap system would look like.

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Speaker 4: But they wanted there to be a salary cap. So

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Speaker 4: I think it's all big ploy to, you know, kind

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Speaker 4: of push the fans against the players, where the owners

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Speaker 4: don't show us anything that they make and they're crying, hey,

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Speaker 4: we don't have any TV money. But everyone knows that

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Speaker 4: there's certain TV deals in the works after twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 4: when there's going to be a new CBA. So there's

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Speaker 4: a lot of distrust because of the things that I

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Speaker 1: Now, the Dodgers have a TV deal that blows everybody

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Speaker 1: out of the water, right, and it's not someway, it's

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Speaker 1: not part of the revenue share. So let me just

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Speaker 1: be Devil's advocate play that role here. I think a

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Speaker 1: lot of people, not the people that are saying baseball's

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Speaker 1: over as we know it, right, it's too much. As

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Speaker 1: Matt points out, there's things that have to be worked out.

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Speaker 1: But my question to you, Lance is there are folks

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Speaker 1: sustainability of this, and for teams that inherently don't have

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Speaker 1: nearly as much as the big market teams, is there

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Speaker 1: not saying these Look, the owners have a lot of money,

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Speaker 1: Tucker contracts kind of like a sailor on a three

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Speaker 1: there is a way to find middle ground between players

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Speaker 4: So here's the thing you just said is the owners

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Speaker 4: won't even share amongst themselves, and you want the players

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Speaker 4: to let them figure out a way to cap themselves

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Speaker 4: and all that. Owners won't share their TV money with

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Speaker 4: each other, like you said, the Dodgers and all that.

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Speaker 4: If they put all those things together and all that,

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Speaker 4: each team could have a cap around what the luxury

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Speaker 4: tax is now thinks two forty something or somewhere around there.

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Speaker 4: And if you do that, then yeah, you're going to

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Speaker 4: create some you know, create some parody. But the game

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Speaker 4: of baseball, it's a wave right now that the Dodgers

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Speaker 4: be a proven fact that they're going to win, and

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Speaker 4: if they do, then okay, they did what they were

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Speaker 4: to win a World Series, which every team is supposed

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Speaker 4: to do, but not every team does. And that being said,

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Speaker 4: you're looking back at the history of the game. There's

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Speaker 4: been a lot of different World Series winners over the

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Speaker 4: last so many years, and then there's been a lot

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Speaker 4: in other sports. They're very much on the same number

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Speaker 4: into Super Bowls and things like that. So to say

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Speaker 4: So there's not a big issue that they want to say.

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Speaker 4: They just want to do it right now because hey,

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Speaker 4: a lot of the media really needs the MLB to

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Speaker 4: make sure that they keep their media going. So that's

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Speaker 4: why they say, oh, the MLB wants this, we should

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Speaker 1: Interesting point, and I should say that Kyle Gibson put

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Speaker 1: together a nice graphic that sort of backs up your

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Speaker 1: point that if you look at the parody for baseball

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Speaker 1: and teams that are in the postseason or win, the

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Speaker 1: whole thing actually better than the NFL that has more

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Speaker 1: of a structured salary situation. So, Matt help us sift

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Speaker 1: through all this. It seems like the owners and the players,

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Speaker 1: especially in the wake of this Kyle Tuckers, are really

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Speaker 1: far apart. It wasn't a pretty picture before, but there's

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Speaker 1: a labor agreement that has to be hammered out before

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty seventh season. Your thoughts on where we

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think that, you know, one of

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Speaker 2: the things I think found is interesting is that Rob

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Speaker 2: and if we have this big problem and we're so

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Speaker 2: you know, it's the end of baseball, and and and

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Speaker 2: every everybody has all these problems. But we want to

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Speaker 2: add two franchises. We want to expand and and and

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Speaker 2: so I don't know, I think there's mixed message messages

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Speaker 2: baseball is in a good place. I mean, like I said,

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Speaker 2: the Dodgers, you know, they they're they're spending their money,

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Speaker 2: and like Lance said, they're they're they're they're doing it creatively.

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Speaker 2: They they they have they have the means and they

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Speaker 2: and they have the want to try to win. And

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Speaker 2: I don't know that all owners have that. And so

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Speaker 2: I look, I I know that everybody's angling towards this,

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Speaker 2: you know, this, this next agreement, and this is gonna

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Speaker 2: and we'll see if they can break the players and

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Speaker 2: that they can get more money and and don't have

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Speaker 2: to worry about rogue owners like Dodgers and met Uh.

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Speaker 2: These billionaire owners coming in and and uh and just

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Speaker 2: spending whatever it takes. Uh. So uh, I get it.

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Speaker 2: Like I think that it's gonna be it's gonna be difficult,

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Speaker 2: but I'd also think it'll be interesting to see how

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Speaker 2: how long you know, the owners can can hold can

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Speaker 4: You get to figure out a lot of things that

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Speaker 3: And you got to have youth.

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Speaker 4: You gotta have some guys that you can carry you

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Speaker 1: There is no better sign th baseball is around the

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Speaker 1: So he's basically asking for buying from the fans. Matt,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, look, I think that we all know that.

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Speaker 1: I know Lance didn't like when we called it a reset.

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Speaker 3: We're finally calling it rebuilt.

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Speaker 1: No, no, they're calling it a building.

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Speaker 4: A built Yeah, because they're rebuilding, got it?

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Speaker 1: Okay, But there are some young talented players to watch.

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Speaker 4: of this year, you've replaced everything that you lost in

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Speaker 4: free agent or non free agency, but in your trades.

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Speaker 4: And then you've also added a boatload of minor league

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Speaker 4: arms that you don't know what they're going to be.

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Speaker 4: But it also gives you a lot of depth throughout

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Speaker 4: a year. And everybody knows you need a lot of

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Speaker 4: have a lot of those guys that are going to

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Speaker 4: be in the Triple A level that they got back

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Speaker 4: in these deals. So you look at it that way,

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Speaker 4: and like I said, you find a way to put

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Speaker 4: Ali the idea of saying this picture, these matchups, these players,

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Speaker 4: these positions. Let him go figure out how to put

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Speaker 4: a product on the field to let these guys not

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Speaker 4: only get in situations where they succeed but also become

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Speaker 4: major league talented players, but put that on a winning product.

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Speaker 4: And those things are all there. The question is how

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Speaker 4: are we going to finish up the roster. So Alli

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Speaker 4: has the pieces that he does to not overexpose anyone

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Speaker 4: but also put them in situations to win.

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Speaker 3: So that's my positive, positive look on this. I like it.

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Speaker 1: I like it. And heim Bloom did say, yeah, they

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Speaker 1: need a right handed outfielder that they will still pursue

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Speaker 1: when he mentioned maybe a guy with a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a veteran cachet in there and him said he's

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Speaker 1: always looking like he's never stop looking for deals. He's

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Speaker 1: gonna keep going. So maybe there is more to do.

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Speaker 1: Last thing for you guys, because I'm sentimental, But Matt,

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Speaker 1: you've been to many Cardinal winter warm ups. What's that

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Speaker 1: like when you get to you know, not only hang

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Speaker 1: with the media, which I know you love, but also

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Speaker 1: see the fans, you know, elbow to elbow and eye

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Speaker 1: to eye like with the media that you apparently don't like.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I I think winter warm up was

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Speaker 2: always fun. You know, it's always exciting to see the

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Speaker 2: fans and and you know it meant screen trainers right

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Speaker 2: around the corner, which when you're you know, when you're

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Speaker 2: living you're around in Saint Louis, which we were for

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Speaker 2: a couple of years, was was a good feeling knowing

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Speaker 2: you're about to go down to some warmer weather and uh,

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Speaker 2: and the excitement of baseball season was right around the corner.

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Speaker 2: So always enjoyed that. And uh, you know, even when

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Speaker 2: I had to answer dumb.

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Speaker 1: Questions and when you lived in Saint Louis, we were neighbors, Lance,

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Speaker 1: do you have a warm and fuzzy memory of of

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Speaker 1: the winter warm up in Saint Louis?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 4: You know, you know, I've never had a bad time

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Speaker 4: with the winter warm ups. You know, you do the

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Speaker 4: caravan and stuff like that. They've always put on a

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Speaker 4: good show for the fans. And you know, I've never

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Speaker 4: been on a team that did any of that for

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Speaker 4: fans and stuff like that. You see very few times

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Speaker 4: that you know, these have these things. But I will

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Speaker 4: say this, the Cardinals, you know, they try to do

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Speaker 4: everything they can for their fans. Right now, they're frustrated

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Speaker 4: with them, as they have every right to be. Because

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Speaker 4: you see kind of a product on your field that

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Speaker 4: isn't tailored for making playoff pushes and stuff like that

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Speaker 4: in their minds.

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Speaker 3: But they're always, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, trying to make sure the fans have things to do,

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Speaker 4: whether it's this with the winner warm up and or

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Speaker 4: when players come back and during the season and do

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Speaker 4: signings and stuff like that, where you you know, not

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Speaker 4: all organizations do that.

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Speaker 3: It's nice.

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Speaker 1: It's very nice, gentlemen. We appreciate the time, and don't forget.

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