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Speaker 2: You know, I meet a lot of people, but there
Speaker 2: are some people who I need who stick out, some
Speaker 2: people who I know are going to have a big
Speaker 2: impact on American history. Yeah, I mean American history. One
Speaker 2: of those people is Christina Jimenez. She has been regarded
Speaker 2: as one of the most important immigration activists over the
Speaker 2: last couple of decades, and I've been wanting to talk.
Speaker 1: To her for several months.
Speaker 2: Gatristina Himenez is the co founder of United We Dream,
Speaker 2: which is the largest immigrant youth led movement in the country.
Speaker 2: She grew up undocumented in Queens, New York, and for
Speaker 2: years she lived in fear that she or her parents
Speaker 2: would be deported, worried that her family would be torn apart.
Speaker 2: Earlier this year, Gatristina Himeniz released her memoir Dreaming of home,
Speaker 2: how we turn fear into pride, power and real change.
Speaker 2: She like I was a guest at the Raissado Festival
Speaker 2: in Aspen, Colorado, late in August. It's a gathering that
Speaker 2: celebrates Latino culture, leadership and creativity, and like a good activist,
Speaker 2: Gatistina captured the moment that we're facing.
Speaker 3: Here is here. I think it won't go away, And
Speaker 3: what I will tell your listeners is that this is
Speaker 3: a moment of realizing that silence and hiding won't protect us,
Speaker 3: but community will.
Speaker 2: From Futuro Media, it's Latino USA. I'm Maria Rosa. Today
Speaker 2: my conversation with one of the very few American activists
Speaker 2: to ever win the MacArthur Genius Award. Her name is
Speaker 2: Christina human Is. We're going to talk about the strength
Speaker 2: and need for activism in order to protect immigrant communities
Speaker 2: these days, also the fear of losing her own husband
Speaker 2: to ice officers, and Christina and I both get quite
Speaker 2: personal about the constant need to make this country love us.
Speaker 1: Christina Himan is, welcome to Latino USA.
Speaker 2: I've been wanting to speak to you for I don't know, officially,
Speaker 2: maybe a year, so great to have you on the show.
Speaker 3: Madia, it's so wonderful to be here. I love Latino, USA,
Speaker 3: and it's such a dream come true to be in
Speaker 3: this conversation with you.
Speaker 2: So, Christina, you know, a year ago, I don't know
Speaker 2: if you remember the conversation that we had. Basically what
Speaker 2: you said to me was, I'm afraid. I'm afraid of
Speaker 2: my book releasing. I'm formally undocumented, I'm an activist. The
Speaker 2: book has been out now, So what do you think
Speaker 2: now about that fear that you had?
Speaker 3: You know, Maria, a lot of people in the book
Speaker 3: events I've been across the country asked me this question
Speaker 3: of so when does your fear go away or how
Speaker 3: does that happen? And I have to be real and
Speaker 3: vulnerable that even though I am a naturalized citizen today
Speaker 3: though let's be clear, under the current conditions and this government,
Speaker 3: people who are naturalized are not safe either. But even
Speaker 3: earlier in the year before many of the attacks on
Speaker 3: even naturalized citizens came up, the fear has not left
Speaker 3: my body because I have loved ones who have daka,
Speaker 3: loved ones who are undocumented. I'm so connected to many
Speaker 3: members of my community and my family that are impacted
Speaker 3: by all that's happening right now. And I also know
Speaker 3: that my work organizing communities, being out there fighting for
Speaker 3: people's right and dignity makes me a target. But the
Speaker 3: fear is here. I think you won't go away. And
Speaker 3: what I'll tell your listeners is that this is a
Speaker 3: moment of realizing that silence and hiding won't protect us,
Speaker 3: but community will.
Speaker 2: I don't know if people understand that actually living undocumented
Speaker 2: is a highly existential experience, and so I'm wondering about
Speaker 2: this notion of, you know, philosophically understanding that as an
Speaker 2: undocumented person, as an immigrant not born in this country,
Speaker 2: that we have a philosophy of life that moves us,
Speaker 2: which is when we're scared the nemos mio, we don't
Speaker 2: know what's going to happen, but one foot in front
Speaker 2: of the other.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I learned from my parents, Maria, and
Speaker 3: in this book is such an moment to the courage
Speaker 3: of my parents and what I learned from you know,
Speaker 3: it's not like they told me, miha. This is where
Speaker 3: courage looks like. They never had that like conversation and
Speaker 3: you know, the dinner table with me, But it was
Speaker 3: by watching and seeing how they did, and in fact,
Speaker 3: you know, both of them passed away and they were
Speaker 3: unable to say their last goodbyes because that we were
Speaker 3: undocumented in this country. And I watch that, and I
Speaker 3: tell you, when I travel abroad and I have to
Speaker 3: come through customs again, I always, I always fear that
Speaker 3: I'm not going to be let in, and I have
Speaker 3: done nothing wrong other than being any immigrant in this country.
Speaker 2: It's interesting because you know, the narrative by this administration
Speaker 2: is one that as immigrants, you and I are like, well,
Speaker 2: who is he talking about? You know that we are takers,
Speaker 2: that we are losers, that we are people who are
Speaker 2: prone to criminality. All of this is the opposite of
Speaker 2: what we actually experience. And I often find myself, Christina,
Speaker 2: just wishing that people could understand that strength. And a
Speaker 2: lot of the theme of your book is you actually
Speaker 2: have power, immigrants, undocumented immigrants, You actually have.
Speaker 3: Power, and we are heroes. Just to think about all
Speaker 3: of the mothers, father's families that come the risks so
Speaker 3: much their lives literally and survive so much by the
Speaker 3: way to cross different places to get here. And I
Speaker 3: always remember when I was writing the book My Dea,
Speaker 3: there was this woman under the Biden administration in the
Speaker 3: first couple of months, where Kamala Harris goes to Guatemala
Speaker 3: and she has a press conference with the president of Guatemala.
Speaker 3: I want to be clear to folks in this region
Speaker 3: who are thinking about making that dangerous trek to the
Speaker 3: United States Mexico border. And the whole point of that
Speaker 3: press conference was to say, do not come, do not come.
Speaker 3: And I sat with that in tears, that the first
Speaker 3: black and immigrant vice president, women who are being a
Speaker 3: champion for immigrant rights, for saying that, and that she
Speaker 3: was using this big, powerful platform to send that message.
Speaker 3: And I sat with it because it's almost like a
Speaker 3: denial that there are greater forces that push people to
Speaker 3: leave their homes, as if we like dream to choose
Speaker 3: to leave everything behind not knowing what you know, what
Speaker 3: is going to be a stake, risking our lives. We
Speaker 3: don't do that out of fun and joy or because
Speaker 3: we dream of it. When I wrote my book, I
Speaker 3: kept thinking about Tony Morrison and how she unapologetically wrote
Speaker 3: for black people. I wrote this book for the undocumented
Speaker 3: young girl that was ashamed and afraid and had no
Speaker 3: hope or felt powerless. I wrote it for that girl.
Speaker 3: I wrote it for our hinted for our people to
Speaker 3: also confront us that sometimes we believe those lives. I
Speaker 3: believe those lives, and I tap into this vulnerability in
Speaker 3: the book to say, like, I don't want to just
Speaker 3: talk about the Americans that believe all these lies.
Speaker 1: I believe these lies.
Speaker 3: I grew up in a nine to eleven era in
Speaker 3: New York City where everything I heard about being an
Speaker 3: immigrant being not from this country was shame, bad, bad,
Speaker 3: bad bad. I internalized those lives. I believed that somehow me,
Speaker 3: my parents had done something wrong for coming to this country.
Speaker 3: I internalize the lie, and my journey gets transformed that idea,
Speaker 3: and that lie gets transformed and gets shed because I
Speaker 3: meet on document the young people that are fighting deportations.
Speaker 2: Take us to that moment when you decide, after being
Speaker 2: very tenuous about the whole notion about being an activist,
Speaker 2: when you're like, no, no, no, I'm gonna go public
Speaker 2: now with the thing that has been the most shameful, hidden, scary,
Speaker 2: and you're like, Soichika, but you're about to hear me
Speaker 2: what happened in that moment and why did you decide
Speaker 2: to do that?
Speaker 3: The context is the early two thousands, the terrorist attacks
Speaker 3: of nine to eleven happened, and the country moves in
Speaker 3: a direction of fighting terror. But the way that that
Speaker 3: looks like for domestic policy in particular, which was, you
Speaker 3: know what many of us experience was the creation of
Speaker 3: homeland security, increase resources for the tension and deportation. All
Speaker 3: of us become a target in Muslim communities, immigrant communities.
Speaker 3: This notion of fighting deportations was not a thing in
Speaker 3: that day. And then I get to know about Marican Sales.
Speaker 3: American Sales is the first undocumented young person and her
Speaker 3: and her family, because of nine eleven policies in Missouri,
Speaker 3: ends up being targeted for deportation, and she has the
Speaker 3: courage to share his story publicly.
Speaker 4: I got off that stage and I had students come
Speaker 4: up to me and they said thank you, and I
Speaker 4: said for what? But they were like tears streaming down
Speaker 4: their face. I can't tell my story, but it is
Speaker 4: my fear, and you're living my biggest fear.
Speaker 3: So what do I have to lose? And then I
Speaker 3: saw all these people. I get invited to my first rally,
Speaker 3: So I joined this rally and I'm scared. I'm not
Speaker 3: even like chanting. But then I start chanting, and I
Speaker 3: hold a sign, and I become part of the crowd
Speaker 3: that is chanting education not deportation, Education not deportation, and
Speaker 3: I start getting goose bombs, like I'm chanting with all
Speaker 3: of these people that I don't even know. What I
Speaker 3: realized is that in that crowd there were students from
Speaker 3: the city of University of New York, some of them
Speaker 3: that I know, but there was also a lot of
Speaker 3: Americans from all walks of.
Speaker 1: Life that don't even know Marie.
Speaker 3: Nobody has met her in person, and yet they were
Speaker 3: fighting for her right to stay. And that Maria was
Speaker 3: the moment that totally transformed things for me, because if
Speaker 3: people that did not even know Marie were fighting for her,
Speaker 3: and if I was to be the next Marie Gonzales
Speaker 3: facing deportation, I wanted that community to be fighting for
Speaker 3: me too.
Speaker 2: Coming up on Latino USA, the challenges of building aggress
Speaker 2: roots movement.
Speaker 3: Conflict is going to emerge. Differences are going to emerge,
Speaker 3: Difference of opinion around strategy are going to emerge. We
Speaker 3: had a conflict with the older generation stay with us notes,
Speaker 3: Hey we're back, Let's jump back into the conversation with
Speaker 3: Pristina Hi Minez, and we're going to pick it up
Speaker 3: by talking about the making of the organization United We Dream,
Speaker 3: which happened in two thousand and eight.
Speaker 2: You're now not just an activist, you are, in fact
Speaker 2: making history as an activist in the United States because
Speaker 2: you helped co found United We Dream, which was an
Speaker 2: immigrant led youth movement that frankly changed history. To me,
Speaker 2: this is like when United We Dream shows up right,
Speaker 2: I'm wondering about how you see that transition to it's
Speaker 2: not just you as one of many activists. It's like, no,
Speaker 2: now I'm going to co found an organization to help
Speaker 2: represent these hundreds and thousands of people.
Speaker 3: You know. In my book, I tell the journey on
Speaker 3: my transformation of finding my voice and my power in
Speaker 3: this community of organizers, in this community of young, courageous
Speaker 3: people that are fighting deportations. Many of them have lost
Speaker 3: family members to deportations, and they are such a big
Speaker 3: source of inspiration for me to tap into that courage.
Speaker 1: And my hope.
Speaker 3: Is that by people learning about this journey, they can
Speaker 3: also see themselves in it. This book is for anyone
Speaker 3: who's afraid right now. This book is for anyone who
Speaker 3: has ever felt like you don't belong or that has
Speaker 3: felt powerless or hopeless. And my hope in people and
Speaker 3: readers being able to follow my journey of a shame
Speaker 3: and afraid to like unapologetically undocumented, unafraid and leading the
Speaker 3: building of a movement and an organization is that we
Speaker 3: can do that too. You can do that too, and
Speaker 3: it is hopeful, and it's inspiring and it's empowering. And also, Maria,
Speaker 3: it's really hard. It's really hard. Even when we find
Speaker 3: spaces of community where we have a share vision and
Speaker 3: share values, conflict is going to emerge. Differences are going
Speaker 3: to emerge, Difference of opinion around strategy are going to emerge,
Speaker 3: and then the question for us as leaders and organizers
Speaker 3: are how do we deal with that. We had a
Speaker 3: conflict with the older generation.
Speaker 2: The older generation didn't want you guys out on the
Speaker 2: street pushing right. They were saying, no, no, no, alguba pasad,
Speaker 2: why are you guys protesting your bringing attention to us.
Speaker 2: Don't do that, gay La Boca.
Speaker 3: I want to remind people the planting of the seeds
Speaker 3: and the work were happening in the early two thousands,
Speaker 3: so it takes over ten years to get to this
Speaker 3: point that moment. What it does is that it shows
Speaker 3: us what power we having, what we don't.
Speaker 2: Have, because twenty ten is a huge defeat for the
Speaker 2: immigrant rights movement, for young immigrant right lead rights leaders
Speaker 2: like yourself.
Speaker 1: The film of DOCA to pass the.
Speaker 2: Criticism from the older generation saying we should not be
Speaker 2: doing this piecemeal. Also, it should be comprehensive immigration reform.
Speaker 1: You for having the courage.
Speaker 3: To stand here today to demand immigration reform.
Speaker 5: I cannot a justice today. The Senate voted against the
Speaker 5: Dream Act. It would have offered a path to citizenship
Speaker 5: to some illegal immigrant students who plan to join the
Speaker 5: military or go to college.
Speaker 1: So, Cristina, was DOCA a mistake? Was it not a mistake?
Speaker 3: Now? I stand behind Doc. Can I tell you why?
Speaker 3: It's not about being right? And you know, often in
Speaker 3: leadership people not being open to recognizing mistakes. I could
Speaker 3: tell you about other mistakes that I think that we've made.
Speaker 3: But DOCA, it's a huge victory for us to own
Speaker 3: because the millions of lives that happen changed were all
Speaker 3: worth it. There are millions of lives of DACA recipients
Speaker 3: who were able to pursue a college education, who were
Speaker 3: able to buy homes, who were able to get cars,
Speaker 3: who were able to support their family members, who were
Speaker 3: able to get insurance, healthy insurance for the first time
Speaker 3: in their lives, to treat diseases that they've never been
Speaker 3: able to treat. The number of people that then also
Speaker 3: happened to fall in love and you know, find a
Speaker 3: pathway through marriage that DACA allowed for that to happen.
Speaker 3: DACA also allowed for many people to go back and
Speaker 3: see there are a bulitos and there are abuelitas and
Speaker 3: say good byes. Nobody will take that away from us,
Speaker 3: no one, And that impact there are millions of lives
Speaker 3: that have been touched. I mean, people don't think about this,
Speaker 3: but you know, if you want to be a policy
Speaker 3: wonk about it, DOCA was an out of poverty program.
Speaker 2: About to say, people don't talk about the fact that
Speaker 2: DACA actually had an impact on the American economy because
Speaker 2: you can employ them, they could buy the homes, they
Speaker 2: could get enrolled into college.
Speaker 3: But it's also la vida destra hintic cambio. So there
Speaker 3: are the days and moments that I feel very tired,
Speaker 3: and I feel very angry at myself for wanting this
Speaker 3: country to want as Maria.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, when you said that, I feel rejected
Speaker 2: when you said that, this fight of always.
Speaker 1: Wanting to have this country love.
Speaker 2: You, and so we work so hard and we write
Speaker 2: books and we're like doing sixteen childs and it's.
Speaker 1: Like, will you just see us?
Speaker 3: It's exhausting, it's exhausting, and so I feel sometimes mad
Speaker 3: on myself for still longing for this country to see
Speaker 3: me as one of their own. And I'm just cry
Speaker 3: right now.
Speaker 1: That both of us were trying. This is ridiculous, right,
Speaker 1: And yet, Maria, when I hold true.
Speaker 3: Is that it's also in this country where I found
Speaker 3: my purpose and I found my voice, and I found
Speaker 3: a community that comes from a rich tradition of civil
Speaker 3: rights fighters, women rights, indigenous people, black people that have
Speaker 3: been fighting for this country to really live up to
Speaker 3: those aspirational values of freedom and equality for all people
Speaker 3: that we have yet to achieve. But it is in
Speaker 3: that rich tradition that you and I and many of
Speaker 3: us get to be part of it now and carry
Speaker 3: that lineage and that tradition forward. And that's also what
Speaker 3: this country has given me. This country has also given
Speaker 3: me my family. My husband is only here because Americans
Speaker 3: from all walks of life for his release from a
Speaker 3: detention facility in upstin New York and prevented his deportation.
Speaker 3: And Walter and I now continue to live in New
Speaker 3: York and have a three year old that was born here.
Speaker 1: Last story.
Speaker 3: It's only possible because Americans made a choice to fight
Speaker 3: for justice, and that is what brings me hope right
Speaker 3: now because I see people all across the country fighting
Speaker 3: for their neighbors, immigrants not immigrants. This is like a
Speaker 3: multiracial moment where people are realizing this ain't about just immigrants,
Speaker 3: It's about all of us. And for our Latinos and Latinas,
Speaker 3: trust me, we are now part of the vision that
Speaker 3: they have for this country. The folks that want to
Speaker 3: keep this country white, and they want to weaken this
Speaker 3: democracy and leave under undemocratic conditions. They don't want us,
Speaker 3: whether you have papers or not. When I think about
Speaker 3: the young Christinas out in the world right now, this
Speaker 3: is their moment. And as a student of history and
Speaker 3: also now you know, a professor at the City University
Speaker 3: of New York, I teach my students that when you
Speaker 3: look at the world. There's never been social transformation with
Speaker 3: that young people at the front.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back, bay, Yes, hey, we're back. Here's
Speaker 2: the last part of my conversation with Christina Jimenez. Okay,
Speaker 2: and now a difficult question, because we've all lived through this, right,
Speaker 2: which is your expectation, your prediction about how this is
Speaker 2: a moment where Latinos and Latinas are going to be
Speaker 2: transformational yet again, because have been throughout history, and yet
Speaker 2: Latinos and Latinas did vote for Donald Trump in numbers
Speaker 2: that we had not seen before.
Speaker 1: What is your understanding of.
Speaker 2: What to do with the conservative Latinos and Latinas who
Speaker 2: voted for Donald Trump and who many of them still
Speaker 2: are believing the rhetoric that the only people that are
Speaker 2: being targeted are the criminals.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and we have to be sober about this.
Speaker 1: Maria.
Speaker 3: I don't think that the mass deportations and the mass
Speaker 3: pain and terror that it's happening is magically going to
Speaker 3: transform people. But I do think it opens an opportunity
Speaker 3: for those of us who are interested in social change
Speaker 3: and who are committed to it, and who are committed
Speaker 3: to building power for our community. We have an opportunity
Speaker 3: in front of us, but it's up to us to
Speaker 3: make that happen. They don't feel like this administration has
Speaker 3: delivered on their economic interest, like the price of X
Speaker 3: had not gone down because of mass importations folks, right,
Speaker 3: Like it takes no science or no data to just
Speaker 3: like realize the deportation of the workers that are actually
Speaker 3: making our food train possible. And I think people are
Speaker 3: starting to know is who's really to blame? People in
Speaker 3: power and billionaires that just want to get more money
Speaker 3: out of this situation. So I think that it is
Speaker 3: our job to be able to make those connections. Migration
Speaker 3: is a love story. We may not think about immigration
Speaker 3: as a love story, and what I try to do
Speaker 3: with this book is that it is I witness my
Speaker 3: parents taking this great risk because they love me and
Speaker 3: they love our family. I also experienced and seeing Americans
Speaker 3: from all walks of life, even right now, fighting against
Speaker 3: deportations out of love for their neighbors and their friends
Speaker 3: and their family members. Like the high schooler in Massachusetts
Speaker 3: whose volleyball team rallied marched, you know, took action to
Speaker 3: get him out of detention. And that's love, just with
Speaker 3: a very emotional.
Speaker 2: Day for these students, filled with tears, prayers and a
Speaker 2: strong sense of unity for Marcelo Gomez and Jnight remains
Speaker 2: and Ice customers. By the size of that crowd, the
Speaker 2: students walking out of the school, Marcelo Gomez has a
Speaker 2: lot of people in his corner. About your love story
Speaker 2: with your husband, Walter, you were very trepidacious at first,
Speaker 2: and yet when you jumped in with him, suddenly you're
Speaker 2: now faced with not the trepidation of love, but the
Speaker 2: fact that your husband has been detained. He was not
Speaker 2: your husband at the time, right, but that your boyfriend
Speaker 2: had been detained.
Speaker 3: We were not even not even. So this is the
Speaker 3: thing that happens. Everybody around us is telling us, like
Speaker 3: you all, like are such a great match, look at
Speaker 3: the energy that you all have when you're with each other,
Speaker 3: and you're like such bad as organizers, you'll should date.
Speaker 3: And we're telling our friends separately, like no way, he's
Speaker 3: on document, this, she's on document. You don't want to
Speaker 3: do that, Like imagine pull your heart at so much
Speaker 3: risk of falling in love with someone who could potentially
Speaker 3: be the ported tomorrow. No way, And the idea that
Speaker 3: I could be in a situation where I may never
Speaker 3: see him again. Was the thing that helped me recognize
Speaker 3: what sometimes we often ignore, that it's already in our heart,
Speaker 3: and he had the same feeling, and so we didn't
Speaker 3: even have to talk much about it. I think we knew.
Speaker 3: That's when we decided, no matter what like and what
Speaker 3: happens and the uncertainty of both being undocumented, we're not
Speaker 3: going to let this injustice and this system that wants
Speaker 3: to take away our freedom, our freedom to love each other.
Speaker 2: So the love story is actually thanks to the repression
Speaker 2: that leads to the activism that leads to the love story.
Speaker 3: He's been a journey, but we're going strong and if anything,
Speaker 3: just even more committed to making this world better place
Speaker 3: for our son and for all of our kids.
Speaker 2: We love a good telenovela story and where it ends
Speaker 2: with love.
Speaker 1: We love that. Gristina Jimenez, thank you so much for
Speaker 1: joining me on Leatino USA. So great to be with you. Maria,
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: That was Gristina ki Minez, activist organizer and co founder
Speaker 2: of United We Dream, the largest immigrant youth led movement
Speaker 2: in the country. She and I spoke in Aspen, Colorado
Speaker 2: after the Raisavo Festival. That's it for today. This episode
Speaker 2: was produced by Adriana Rodriguez. It was edited by our
Speaker 2: managing editor Fernanda Echavarri. It was mixed by Stephanie LeBeau.
Speaker 2: Special thanks to Aspen Public Radio and Daniel Costello. The
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