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Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black

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Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime. M

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Speaker 1: hm m. Welcome back to another edition All the Smoke. Jack,

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Speaker 1: what's good Baby, back at it? We got a good

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Speaker 1: one today, Man, back at it. You know, season three

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Speaker 1: wanted to start bringing more versatility to the show Man

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Speaker 1: and this man speaks more legend uh to what we're

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Speaker 1: looking for. Man, that's welcome to the show. Wood Harris

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Speaker 1: appreciation you. Good to see you, Good to see you.

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Speaker 1: What's going on right now? I know you're working on

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Speaker 1: this new Lakers series. Let's get right to it. Talk

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Speaker 1: to us about this Lakers series you're working on. Uh,

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Speaker 1: we're doing the Lakers eighties right now, which is is

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Speaker 1: um showcasing on like the success of the well the

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Speaker 1: ups and downs of the Lakers and a lot of

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Speaker 1: back stories. And I'm like, I portrayed Spencer Haywood shut

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Speaker 1: so yeah, So I got to meet the actual Spencer.

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Speaker 1: I told a shock that I I finally I went

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Speaker 1: pro with the Lakers. But you know it's all good.

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Speaker 1: So Spence, uh correct me from Spence was he tried

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Speaker 1: to jump right, He was the first one to try

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Speaker 1: to jump. Yeah, Spencer Haywood is the reason why people

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Speaker 1: come out of school early, and not just him, but

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Speaker 1: there were a few different athletes at that time who

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Speaker 1: ended up having go all the way to the Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court with their case to be able to go pro.

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Speaker 1: And from that point, I would say that Spencer Haywood.

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Speaker 1: All the pros know who Spencer Haywood is, but I

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Speaker 1: don't think he like I don't think he's as known

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Speaker 1: as he probably should be. All right, So, um, so

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Speaker 1: his story is in this story some it's not. It's

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Speaker 1: not completely with his story. We don't go into the

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Speaker 1: whole court case that's mentioned again. It's about the Lakers,

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Speaker 1: and it's dealing with the relationships of all the teammates,

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Speaker 1: UM and behind the scenes as well. So it's a lot.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot. So what is it like to to

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Speaker 1: to work I mean historical teams such as the Lakers, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, playing such a historical character. They had a

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Speaker 1: lot to do with how Kobe came in the game,

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Speaker 1: stars that you know kind of ran the league for

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Speaker 1: a while. But what do it like to play in

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Speaker 1: a situation like that man. Um, you know, I'm prepared

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Speaker 1: for it that I would say as as a as

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Speaker 1: a as an experienced talent. You know, just I'm kind

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Speaker 1: of prepared for it. You know, I play a lot

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Speaker 1: of real life people, so I kind of had my

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Speaker 1: own method. And but it's large though. It's the shot

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Speaker 1: epically too. It's shot in film. Most things that shot

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Speaker 1: digital was shot in film. So it's a really epic,

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Speaker 1: epic HBO series dealing with the Lakers. It's a little

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Speaker 1: pressure though, because you know, I mean, Spencer Haywood is

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Speaker 1: intense on know if you guys know he's intense. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's intense, So you know, I want to get it right.

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Speaker 1: And at the same time, you know, it's not all

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Speaker 1: He's very intense, So you know, it's a little preciure.

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Speaker 1: When does that you guys know that, I think I

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Speaker 1: think early next year, in March or so. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think in March's gonna look out for that definitely. So

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Speaker 1: take us back Chicago, Illinois, son of Maddie and John.

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Speaker 1: That's it. I grew up on the West Side, West

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Speaker 1: every It just was every It just was everything. With

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Speaker 1: the school system that I went to. I went to

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Speaker 1: he got a ball head. His name is Steve Having.

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Speaker 1: So you obviously basketball being a heavy influence. The arts

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Speaker 1: So I went. I went to his college for then

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Speaker 1: Because what age did you fall in love with acting?

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Speaker 1: y'all have your famous moments now it's just captured, you know, digitally,

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Speaker 1: And so if somebody is crying, you can hit them

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Speaker 1: know stuff classic just to answer that, you don't do

424
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,639
Speaker 1: you see that ship? You see that ship? It you

425
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:09,120
Speaker 1: got to be Motherfucking's soldiers. Now drive nigga want to act?

426
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 1: You spoke on Denzelum. Remember the Titans Class Classic. You

427
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 1: received a nomination from the NCP Image Awards Outstanding Supporting Actor.

428
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 1: Like you said, you were in awe when you got

429
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 1: in the presence of Denzel. What was that experience? Like, man,

430
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 1: it was like it was it had a surreality to

431
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 1: it for me, because you know, if I was a fan,

432
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,239
Speaker 1: I am a fan of many of different actors, so

433
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 1: one of them is, of course Denzel. He's more than

434
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 1: a fan. I wouldn't say a fan as much as

435
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: I was just inspired by Denzel to be trying to

436
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 1: be great. Not everybody gets that, you know. So I

437
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,640
Speaker 1: would see him and just be inspired to learn more

438
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 1: about the craft, you know. And so when I got

439
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: the opportunity to meet him. Um. I first worked with

440
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 1: him on The Siege. I was in school at the

441
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 1: time he did this film called The Siege. So I

442
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 1: had a small little role in the film of the

443
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 1: Siege where I was this kind Yeah, Gene Hackman, yeah,

444
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:19,919
Speaker 1: and and Denzel and I, Um, spoke to Denzel in

445
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 1: the scene. You know, I was like ship but I

446
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 1: didn't really meet him. And then he he directed a

447
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:29,400
Speaker 1: film I was up for, which was Antoine Fisher Story.

448
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 1: So I was a proud of the process of the

449
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: audition process, and that came down to me and other people.

450
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 1: I don't know all the people went to Derek Luke though,

451
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: so I got to know him then. And then the

452
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 1: third time was remembered the Titans. So, you know, I

453
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 1: al would say that the acting gods love me because

454
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: they showed me like they give me, they give me,

455
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 1: they light my path in a way, because I think

456
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: if I had to just jump into a movie with him,

457
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: then I probably would have been just kind of like

458
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 1: feeling him. But instead I was like, I crafted my

459
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: own self. I'm just me. I'm me too much. Now

460
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,439
Speaker 1: I can't like Alan Iverson, big fan of Jordan's, but

461
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 1: I've been looking at these videos he dropped in Joing

462
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: forty four. I don't think nobody gave Jordan numbers like

463
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 1: Allen Iverson, and I'm not exaggerating. I don't think nobody

464
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 1: gave him consistent number. I think Alan Iverson I'll score

465
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's almost in every competition that the Bulls and

466
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 1: Philly played, which is only a set number of times, right,

467
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 1: even if Mike had forty one and hey, I still

468
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 1: had funny. First of all, I love Alan, I'm I'm

469
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 1: a huge That's one of my favorite people, of course,

470
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: And just I just and in his game and stuff.

471
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,360
Speaker 1: I just I just I'm a big fan. I love

472
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: him as a person. That was the first time you

473
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: saw an athlete with a baby at the stand. And

474
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 1: you know, Alan Iverson did that. Some people just do it.

475
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 1: Let me just show you know, my my lifestyle. And

476
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: I was and just like you know, he loved that.

477
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 1: He's like, I love people for real. You know the

478
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 1: baby there because he loved the baby. It wasn't even

479
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: so that the camera could have a baby. Now, he

480
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: was the first to do so much cool ship. He's like,

481
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 1: he's like a Spencer Haywood. And since just walls and

482
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,199
Speaker 1: he had to be persecuted for ship. They do normally

483
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: not motherers have tats like written on their grills, I'm

484
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 1: pro now on their face. And he had what do

485
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 1: he had? I mean he had whatever he had. But anyway,

486
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 1: him and Rodman, people who just really stepped outside. They

487
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: stepped outside of the barriers. But watching the game, I

488
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,439
Speaker 1: watched a lot of the the older, older stuff just

489
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 1: to watch it because when we talk about the goat

490
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: and all that I've been wanting to see Mike again.

491
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 1: You can forget when I look at Lebron with no reference,

492
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 1: even me, when I look at Lebron James and some

493
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: of these basketball players the way they played now, which

494
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: is just unbelievable, by the way, uh, without the reference

495
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 1: to Michael Jordan's they do look like the best because

496
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 1: right in that moment, they're the best you ever seen.

497
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: Kobe bryant Um and Lebron James are the best you've

498
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: ever seen in the moment, and so is Michael Jordan.

499
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,400
Speaker 1: But when you go look back at Michael Jordan compare

500
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: them to the rest, then you start having like an

501
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 1: evaluated process that like, because I couldn't believe how quick

502
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: he was when I go look at if you haven't

503
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 1: been looking at Michael Jordan, go look at Michael Jordan's footage,

504
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: whether you like basketball, and go look at Michael Jordan's

505
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: foot because Michael Jordan's it's so inspiring to see to

506
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: see him because it's all work. That ship is work.

507
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: It's dedication at work. And if you you know, you know,

508
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: and I like I like those players. Like those players

509
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: like that because they like my Denzels where it's like,

510
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: you know, they make me feel like I want to

511
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: oscar or something like that, when the oscar don't really matter.

512
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: You know, it matters the moment in the process and

513
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,719
Speaker 1: the film or TV thing that you're doing that matters.

514
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: The business that you do. You support your family with this,

515
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: that matters. But the trophies those are TV shows and

516
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: stuff like that. But um, Denzel, um, he just is

517
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: like that person, not just Denzel. I'm using him almost

518
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: like you know, Sydney Portier's Denzel was. There's a few

519
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: ones clumping them under Denzel in a sense put Dezi

520
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: at the top. But it's a little pyramid of people

521
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: who um are inspirational because you want to be a pro,

522
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Because acting can be very hobby,

523
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: like the whole process can, because especially nowadays, technology make

524
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: it so you can make the ship on your phone,

525
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: so you know, there's no there's no reason that you

526
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: can't do it. I'm a crier, so I gotta ask

527
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: about Yeah, I just want to ask, remember The Titans,

528
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: did any get did you ever get to any moments

529
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: in that movie where y'all broke down on set? Because

530
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: there's a lot of real moments in that movie. Well,

531
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: I mean there's a scene I cry in one scene

532
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: on there, and that's real. Um, you know that's a

533
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: process or a skill process though, so I making myself

534
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: crying that moment, but it's real and they don't know

535
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: the other actors, Like if I'm doing working with y'all

536
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: right now, and like I had to look like this,

537
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: You guys don't typically see me with like gray hair

538
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: and all that. Just say it was a scene everything

539
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: you would only see me pretty much like this, the

540
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: make up, this stunt. To me, that would be probably

541
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: the only way you saw me, even if it was

542
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: fro the whole time I'd be working with y'all. Wouldn't

543
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: be letting you see me with Harris necessarily, you know.

544
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: So in the process, Uh, I forgot why why why

545
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: I mentioned that? But in the process, I tend to

546
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: be that way where I'm engage each with it so

547
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: much that you're in the moment. Yeah, I'm just in

548
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: the moment, like I'm not going to be um chopping

549
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: it up too much because when you watch great movies,

550
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: like you get into that moment too. And I really

551
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: like I was into the movie and I really was

552
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: believing the bond that you and your hat, you know what,

553
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: by a car That dude you know what I'm saying,

554
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: That dude is dope. I'm super I'm telling myself kind

555
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: of guy, you know what I'm saying. But I'm blessed.

556
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: I know, y'all, I know people. I'm just bless the

557
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: nomad just like great people. You know, I know cool people,

558
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: and I know people who I feel like ideologically, you know,

559
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: I vibe with you know what I'm saying. So I'm lucky.

560
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: I'm just a reclusive person that's just like to be

561
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: by myself or not likes to. But somehow that's how

562
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: it goes. Um. But but i mean remember the Titans.

563
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: As far as trying to being emotional in the scenes

564
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: and being emotional on the set, we can't because in

565
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: between action and cut, you know, it's only about forty

566
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: five seconds you're mastering, you know, this little component of

567
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: time that small within the space. So like you know,

568
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 1: they say action, there's forty five seconds maybe sixty seconds

569
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: of before you say cut. You just want that no

570
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: matter what you're doing on the outside of that minute

571
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: of time or forty five seconds to a minute of time,

572
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: you want to be able to be relaxed and committed

573
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: and prepared memorization or whatever else, characterization, whatever else for

574
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: that sixty seconds. Some other funers could, you know, go drink, chill,

575
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: they said, action, We'll be right into it. Or they

576
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: can be you know, dancing and ship Like. I'm not

577
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: gonna do none of that necessarily, but some people just

578
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: go get on their phones and ship and just okay,

579
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: right now I'm doing fucking candy crushing ship. They said action,

580
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: be right into it. You know, I'm not really like that.

581
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: So for me and for each individual, you do find

582
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: your you find your rhythm, you know what I'm saying.

583
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: Some actors they can drink, they can smoke, they can

584
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: do whatever, and they still can do a great job.

585
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: I think it's similar with sports. Yeah, you means some

586
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: people have to lock in, be quiet, don't talk, headphones, whatever.

587
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: Some people are rapping, talking, ship, texting. It's but as

588
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: long as you whatever it works for you, really, I

589
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: probably would have the headphones on in that situation, you know,

590
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: I probably have the phones on the corner. Yeah, it

591
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: was a it's different. That would be cool though. I

592
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: would come lap up and say whatever, you get locked in.

593
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: Everybody get locked in different because that's at sixty seconds

594
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 1: on the court too, it was forty forty minute, forty

595
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: eight minutes, so it's an hour, not even of time

596
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: to master. You know. If you're putting into that perspective,

597
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: then you know, then you want to do the best

598
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: you can in that moment, you know, in that moment.

599
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: So I've sort of like programmed myself over the years

600
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: to just commit to that sixty seconds of time, especially

601
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: I'm playing Spencer Haywood, do you least from Remember they're

602
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: real people. Avon from the Wire is a real person.

603
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: Ace from painting for as a real person is a

604
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: real person. I met, I met all the people their families,

605
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: and I met the living people, you know, So it

606
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: feels like there's something, you know, I don't want to

607
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: do a disservice to these people, you know. So I

608
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: do feel like there's pressure for me to be you know,

609
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: um highly engaged. So I don't really hobnob around now

610
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: that much. Even during the process where I've been shooting

611
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: this lad thing we shot, We've been shooting for months now,

612
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: several months. I don't feel like I can do much

613
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: of anything else, saying with Broadway. On Broadway, you have

614
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: to memorize the entire play, so you know, when you're

615
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 1: doing your scenes, you're gonna come in with your day

616
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: planned out. Your day is planned out and memorized, and

617
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: the stuff you have memorized, like I said, it's only

618
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: gonna be you know, sixty seconds of stuff. You can

619
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: go do that and you can figure out everything you

620
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: need for that sixty seconds and stuff. Why not? Why

621
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: wouldn't you be able to do that? You know what

622
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So when you're doing that, you want to

623
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: highly commit yourself to it. All the processes that you

624
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 1: already did. Your preparation matters so much, you know, So

625
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: for me, I tend to just keep it to myself.

626
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: Paiding full another classic, again portraying a real life person.

627
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: Um what was it like working with that team of people,

628
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: the people who brought the project together, dame in the crew,

629
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,760
Speaker 1: and again looking back on it being another culture classic,

630
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:44,879
Speaker 1: you got to go bbs is on this um Man

631
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: It's just like, I'm super blessed to being all this

632
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: stuff just to hear you saying it back to me.

633
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 1: It's a lot of classic stuff, you know, paiding full.

634
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Speaker 1: Um uh, you know it's it's it's beautiful to me,

635
00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 1: paiding full because it matters to people. Man. I just

636
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: love that the stuff that we're talking about actually master

637
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 1: people and um yeah and helps out people like walking

638
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 1: my dog. The other day, this cat came up to me. Man,

639
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: whish I could remember his name because he's gonna see

640
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 1: this is probably like wish I would remember his name.

641
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: But he came just random cat on the street and

642
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: he stopped me and he was just like, man, you

643
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: know you got me off the street with pay them full.

644
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: And this happened to me before. You know, it wasn't

645
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: the first time. But that's what I mean, you know,

646
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: it's I'm just man, I feel blessed to be that

647
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 1: type of personality that have an influenced like that. That's

648
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 1: really good. Like I'm gonna do a master class in

649
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: the prisons, man, tell you this, you guys just ahead

650
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: of time to do this. It's gonna be filming and

651
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: all that master class with the prison acting people really

652
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 1: acting prison, which is in prison, the lowest recidivism rate

653
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: is that class of people, people who engage with theater

654
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: in prison. So I'm just gonna do a master class

655
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: and that's beautiful because you know, Common did, what did

656
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: he do? A student? What did commen do? Music studio?

657
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 1: Music studio? And I'm gonna make sure we we we

658
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: It's just gonna be dope. It's gonna be something we do.

659
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: It's gonna be episodic, and make sure we make some

660
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: episodes out of it because I think it could just

661
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: be something important. It's gonna be fun too. It's gonna

662
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: be fun because I can't wait to see I can't

663
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: wait to see some of the stuff. It's gonna be dope.

664
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: It's gonna be done. What was it like working with

665
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: Cameron and uh mackay? Oh man, I love him. No,

666
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: my bros. You know, I'm lucky to have chemistry with

667
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: them cats, you know, like easy chemistry. Mcca McCay like

668
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: my bro for real. I already knew McCay prior to

669
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: pay them full Um. McCay helped me out in the

670
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: process something I don't know if he even remembers, but

671
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 1: early on in the process. He gave me some uh

672
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: don Diva magazines and stuff because I didn't really know

673
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: much about about Ace right, and I'm more easy as

674
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: his real name. And so when I started learning, I'm like,

675
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: oh wow, this opportunity, this is like, this is a

676
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: great opportunity. It's a real story. It's a true story. Um.

677
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: Charles Stone, who directed it, had done like a lot

678
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: of the trip called Quest video, so I knew the

679
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: approach was going to not just be a simple approach.

680
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: I knew he was gonna be an imaginative director, you know.

681
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:24,760
Speaker 1: And and then when I met a z it really sealed.

682
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: It sealed the kind of they sealed the cap on

683
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 1: it all. And then we started feeling the process of

684
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: meeting camera Cameraon was in character, so you know, y'all

685
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: know who the character was. So Cameraon was a character.

686
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: So you know, I got stories. You know, I got

687
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: a lot of gives. Come on, I want to hear

688
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: some stories because he was on one in that movie.

689
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 1: Let me see, can't tell a story. Let me go

690
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: to my camera story. See if I can tell his

691
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 1: Tarra story. Cap Puerto Rican category. What's the point of

692
00:38:53,320 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: having soldiers You ain't gonna use him the story that's

693
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: my dog. I respect that camera story's on this Hell no.

694
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: But the process was was dope. Charles Stone the way

695
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: he is, he's pretty magical director. He's seamless, like you

696
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: don't feel him there. I'll tell you something that happened

697
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: on the set with Cameron. There's a scene in a

698
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 1: movie where you see we on the block New York.

699
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: Camera see to do drive up and it's supposed to

700
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,720
Speaker 1: be drying the streets in terms of drugs. Is driving.

701
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: So dude say something to camera. Camera goes to the window,

702
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: still on him. So that's not scripted like that. You

703
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: know he actually tagging them. Boy, oh he really he's

704
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: supposed to just like he's supposed to open the door.

705
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I mean, he ain't supposed to

706
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 1: do that. It just says, you know, you know, gets

707
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 1: him out of the car. Cameron, his acting was there.

708
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: So that's what I mean. He was committed. He was

709
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: he was He was not just being cameraon like cameeron

710
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: is different than that portrayal. That was a really great

711
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 1: portrayal of of of a character who he was supposed

712
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: to be out pole. Do you realize I don't know,

713
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: like like we always talked about you in the middle

714
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: of it, But do you realize how many movies that

715
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: are our culture classes that you're part of. I do

716
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 1: that in these moments, but I don't. I don't do

717
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 1: just I don't really think about it so much. That's

718
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 1: a big part of our show we give people you

719
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: don't I don't know. If you don't know, now you

720
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: should know. Realize this different soundtracks that we grow up to.

721
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of movies that you in that's

722
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: like the soundtrack to our lives. Bro, that's crazy. And

723
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: you realize when I when I when I hit you

724
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: the other day for the show and I put it

725
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: in the chat. Jack was Jack, don't get excited for

726
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,399
Speaker 1: no one. We've been blessed to have everybody, and Jack

727
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: he was excited to have you. And it's just like

728
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: like it's really we really funk with you as a culture.

729
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: And to me, like I said, I mean, obviously you

730
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,399
Speaker 1: get your respect, but I just think you're under ready

731
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: from the standpoint of what you've done for us as

732
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 1: a culture, you know what I mean, and not just us,

733
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 1: just for everybody, but you know, in particularly us, it's

734
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: it's just the honor to be able to you know,

735
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: me getting a chance to know you. A couple of

736
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: years ago and we was, you know, we was chopping

737
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: up the whole tree and three shout out. Yeah. I

738
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 1: remember I was in with Tony Jeffries and staying of

739
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: Manica trying to shout out Tony. He hit me on

740
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: the d M. Just some boxing training because I had

741
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: to learn the training aspect of the box and not

742
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:30,760
Speaker 1: the boxer aspect. So Tony Jeffrey shout out, was working

743
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: with me and Matt for a day over it like

744
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: yeah here, yeah, yeah, so yeah, so that was that

745
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 1: was then we was talking about to the whole before

746
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,879
Speaker 1: the whole Black Panther thing came to life with Ryan

747
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 1: and me, and I said, I was like, what, I

748
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: got an idea, I got some people, let's do this.

749
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: Man and puts the whole plan and it came into

750
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: fruition like all I was saying, It's like, yeah, I

751
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 1: mean you basically like right, verbatim, everything that didn't occur

752
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: with regards to all of that, including Ryan the story. Yeah, yeah,

753
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: I mean you were definitely ahead of the head of

754
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: the pack with's your idea about that. We had something

755
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: but I mean it ended up working out. Definitely ended

756
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: up working out. Oh, Avon Boxdal The Wire, Yeah, I know,

757
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 1: I get excited about that. You know. Uh I think, Um,

758
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: with me, the reason why I fell in love with

759
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: The Wire and your character and the whole thing is

760
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: because I grew up in that type of environment. You

761
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying that the dope game, the projects,

762
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: the killing, the robbing, the setups, the backstabbing, the whole

763
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 1: nine police all that. So when I was able to

764
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: see y'all bring this to TV, you know what I'm saying,

765
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: and constantly make it real life scenarios like it was

766
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,399
Speaker 1: big for people and our demographic. You know what I'm saying,

767
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: How did you bring Avon boxed at it to life?

768
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 1: And what was your thoughts? We got that role? When

769
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: I got that role, um, I think the first two

770
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: people that they really assigned to be like, who were

771
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: who were cast with me? An interest? So no one

772
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: knew interests at the time, and and I didn't either,

773
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: but the casting director was so happy about we two

774
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: that I was like, man, I didn't know what was

775
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: going on. I had done I think remember the Titans

776
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: right before that or something like that. So I was

777
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: in this other state of mind. Sometimes you get involved

778
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: in characters, you'd be still floating in there, in there,

779
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: and they vibe you know, before you get back to

780
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 1: your own vibe or whatever. But and so that's what

781
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 1: took me back to my advice. More like, you know,

782
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: I'm from the same type of environment. So, um, I

783
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 1: didn't know much about Baltimore. I had never really been there.

784
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 1: But when you hear Maryland, it don't sound like no

785
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,879
Speaker 1: bad place, you know what I'm saying. Baltimore, Maryland done.

786
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: That sounds nice. I remember thinking, Okay, I'm gonna be there.

787
00:43:54,680 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: We don't shoot the wires, probably gonna be the Baltimore

788
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 1: special special place. It needs a lot of attention, you know,

789
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,919
Speaker 1: like Baltimore could use some good attention in real life,

790
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: in real life, I mean just the city itself. And

791
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,399
Speaker 1: back then for sure, when I when I was filming there,

792
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,720
Speaker 1: I mean, it needed like a lot of attention. Um,

793
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:20,240
Speaker 1: it was a neglected city. And so um I commuted

794
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: a lot, so did Interest for some A lot of

795
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: the time that we were there, commuted from New York.

796
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: I think he commuted from New Jersey or something like that. Um.

797
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 1: And uh, because when you're there, you know, Baltimore was

798
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: so you just would feel like you needed to be

799
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 1: a part of something more than television. So I needed

800
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 1: to be in character, you know what I'm saying. I

801
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 1: didn't need to try to be you know, activistic I am,

802
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,879
Speaker 1: you know, you know, so I wanted to be um.

803
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:52,879
Speaker 1: I was excited about doing a series. I had never

804
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: done a series. And then no one in the cast

805
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 1: was more famous or less famous or anything. So it

806
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 1: was cool. We were able to just have like a

807
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: real brotherliness that we still have, just um and a

808
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,280
Speaker 1: lot of like love for each other. I just posted

809
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: a picture me and it and just putting in a

810
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,320
Speaker 1: wire gang for life, you know what I'm saying that

811
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: Michaelang Gang Gang Gang. Yeah you dig and Hassan Johnson

812
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: and Andre roy Yo. Of course my man Michael Kate

813
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: would love so much and interesting all of us. You know,

814
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 1: I just love Michael lot. Though I kind of gotta,

815
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:40,720
Speaker 1: you know, not go there too much because yeah, Michael

816
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: is a special person in general, and like I said,

817
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,240
Speaker 1: you know, when you're closing in person with these person people,

818
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: it's different than people watching five players on the court.

819
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,320
Speaker 1: What I was saying, they don't know, you'all talking to

820
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: locker room. They don't even know you're talking in the locker.

821
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: They don't even think about that. When when an athlete

822
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: walks through the tunnel, ship turns the channel, it's all

823
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: you know, what's next. Yeah, yeah, they don't even know that.

824
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: There's the moments of unlacing the shoe, you're sitting next

825
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 1: to your man. You do that all the time. And

826
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: y'all talk about life. And so that's what's good about

827
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 1: the Laker series that I'm doing now. It really does

828
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: go into their lives. It's like it's almost like being

829
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: a you know, a fly on the wall type of way. So,

830
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: and its epic epically shot in film in film. So,

831
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: but the wire being as trend setting and historical as

832
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: it was, and that the cash you just named to

833
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:42,919
Speaker 1: not be recognized, um during these awards seasons, how tough

834
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: was that for that for you guys At the time,

835
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: I don't think we were even concerned about it. We

836
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 1: just were everybody was Yeah, we were just like yeah,

837
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 1: I mean, it had good feedback, but also, um, none

838
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,399
Speaker 1: of with from Baltimore, so you know, we all had

839
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: to be in Baltimore. You know, we were just in

840
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: this sort of bubble in the sense we and I

841
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: think that, at least myself, I didn't really think about

842
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:16,760
Speaker 1: the show and the show. I didn't think about, um,

843
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 1: the magnitude of something. I just was just thinking about

844
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: just doing it. I wasn't thinking about what could be.

845
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: I'm really never I'm never thinking about what could be

846
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: from something. But what happens. It's cool to feel in

847
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:34,280
Speaker 1: the moment without, you know, giving my mind a direction.

848
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: So I'm just playing that game with myself for many,

849
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 1: for a long time, to just be able to not

850
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: impregnate my my ideas, to give myself an outcome. So yeah,

851
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: like but still with I mean with that saying, I

852
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,879
Speaker 1: respect that approach. I mean again, as we sit back

853
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: and kind of listen or list what you've been a

854
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: part of. I know, as athletes, we never really get

855
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: a chance to really appreciate because it's always what's next,

856
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 1: next game, next season, how many seasons we're gonna be

857
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: able to play? Similar I mean, you're gonna act to

858
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:07,399
Speaker 1: you don't want to act, you know what I mean?

859
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: So do you it's the same, I would say that's good. Yes,

860
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: it's it's much like that. You know, you where you are,

861
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 1: you're you segregating life, Okay. The athlete is something, the

862
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 1: artist is something different than perception. Most of the time,

863
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 1: people don't see the totality of who we are very

864
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 1: often at all. So so it's difficult sometimes to be

865
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 1: able to see yourself, you know, um and really own

866
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: yourself because you know, the phone makes us talk in

867
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: the mirror a lot. You know, we're just talking to

868
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: the mirror when you really don't talk in the mirror

869
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 1: that much, and when you do, you catch yourself talking

870
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 1: in the mirror. So I don't know. We live in

871
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 1: different times though, where I like old days, you know,

872
00:48:54,200 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: pay phones and ship pay phones, pay phones. But it

873
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: is what it is. What about your upbringing in Chicago

874
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: helped you in a few different roles that that that

875
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 1: you've kind of mastered over your career. Any character was

876
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 1: that was from the street. You can always tell when

877
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: somebody can't hoop and they're doing a basketball player or

878
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: they you know, they're really not that tough, or they're

879
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 1: not from the street. They don't even know nobody tough

880
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: and they're playing a tough guy or being some kind

881
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 1: of street or they don't know anything about drugs or

882
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: they've never been in a dark dark side of the moon.

883
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: Like I said, they do not all know that that's light.

884
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:36,359
Speaker 1: And so for any roles like that, then I think,

885
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: I'm I've always felt confident or what. It just gives

886
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 1: me confidence already because I'm like, well, I'm from there,

887
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: like what above the rim My brother was like, man,

888
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: this is perfect for you. It's like basketball, and like

889
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: you know, it's urban right street, and so the audition

890
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: not to get on the way back to it, but

891
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: the audition had me playing basketball at one point. And

892
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: then you know actors, they some of them can play

893
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 1: now yeah, like total trash. So like anybody who showed up,

894
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 1: I'm flying to the literally, the director came up with me.

895
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: It's like two fingers, you got the roles. Literally he uh,

896
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: that's literally happy. He ran on the court because the

897
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:19,919
Speaker 1: stuff I did in the movie, I was just doing

898
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: it right there because that's just how I played. Yeah,

899
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: but they were slopped, so I'm I'm pulling t Max

900
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: off the glass literally like backing off the glass because

901
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: and so he ran on the court. Then I remember

902
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 1: going home because I lived in New York at the time.

903
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 1: I'm on the eight train, and I just got this

904
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,959
Speaker 1: role in the movie. You know what I'm saying, like

905
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: like like, how is this gonna be? You know? So

906
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 1: I'm about to go tell my mom, I got this

907
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: role in this movie, and you're gonna tell these people,

908
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 1: And it's almost like it's just not real until the

909
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: first check is cut, even in the pros like I

910
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: went pro. But then it's very real when the first

911
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: check is cut first in the fifth Yeah, it's professional

912
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 1: when the work is there, you know. But I was

913
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: just telling us. I was like nobody knew that. I

914
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: was like, man, I just told you I got a movie,

915
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: and nobody yeah, but damn, like damn there. And later

916
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 1: on that day, that night, I lead a crib and

917
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: go to this bodega. That so I'm putting perspective for

918
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,760
Speaker 1: y'all synergy of things, Right, So I lead a crib,

919
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: I go to bodega, and at this time, I'm living

920
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 1: in Midtown, New York. So I'm living up the street

921
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: from where Pop got shot. Right, I lived up the

922
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: street from where you got shot the first time. Yeah,

923
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 1: I live on forty nine between eight and night, right

924
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 1: up the street. So I go to bodega who are

925
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: running too Marlon Wayans. He didn't know me. I had

926
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: no films at all, but he had seen me because

927
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: he's been to the production office and they had my

928
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: picture on the wall. So Marlin funny dude, He's I

929
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm sure he remembers, maybe not, but he

930
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: came up to me and say, Yo, your mota in

931
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 1: the movie. I was shocked. I was like, Yo, this

932
00:51:55,440 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: is real. This is real, like running into Pete time

933
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: and time again, meeting people along the way who end

934
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 1: up actually accomplishing the goals. Like I knew Omari Hardwick

935
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: a long time ago, you know, and he came up

936
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 1: to me randomly and was like, yeah, I'm gonna I'm

937
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: about to do that. And then like two years later

938
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 1: he was in the Uh movie with me with me,

939
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like two years after seeing

940
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 1: them on the street, just coming to be like you

941
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: know what, And it happens a lot, and most of

942
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 1: the time that people don't really end up you know,

943
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: you don't end up seeing them two years later, and

944
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: they don't end up being on the series Power and

945
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,760
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. So it's just synergy around

946
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: the whole thing that you do, like when you know what.

947
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: But it always boggles my mind when I hear athletes

948
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 1: talk about other athletes that they know growing up. That

949
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 1: seems like the weirdest thing, like Hardened and like Westbrook together,

950
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,879
Speaker 1: like growing up around each other or being around each

951
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 1: other and each other's lives. It's's it seems like so bizarre.

952
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 1: But you guys know each other forever already. You're competing

953
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: against somebody you saw a teenager, yeah before they had anything, right,

954
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: And it's weird to go from I always tell especially nowadays,

955
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 1: and it used to be so much so. But the

956
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 1: NBA is like a lottery ticket, I mean, like a

957
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: financial lot of reatis that's that's what That's what you

958
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 1: say though, it really is a lot of yeah, like yeah,

959
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 1: you actually hit the fucking like and some of them

960
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 1: be mega balls, right, Cat's be getting the megaball to

961
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: the hund Ship. The hunter was the weirdest thing. I

962
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 1: don't understand how they deal with that as young people, like,

963
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: because I don't think I could deal with that as

964
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: a young person. I couldn't. Yeah, I wasn't even making

965
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: that much and I couldn't deal with it. I don't

966
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 1: know if I would do I don't mean, I just

967
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 1: couldn't imagine being with that much money. Sixty million, eighty million,

968
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: hundred million years old, just try one at the nineteen

969
00:53:55,640 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 1: is ridiculous. I was back to the Wire. As you say,

970
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: you've played a lot of real life characters. How important

971
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 1: was it you for you and the rest of the

972
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,800
Speaker 1: cast to embody like you said, no one was from Baltimore.

973
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:12,399
Speaker 1: How important with it to body that? The essence and

974
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 1: in the grind of Baltimore, I mean, very very important.

975
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,479
Speaker 1: But the essence of it came from the writing. Because

976
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 1: when you when you watch The Wire, you're almost seeing

977
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: a verbatim. You know, a lot of it is exactly

978
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: the script. You know, at least for me, it's exactly

979
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 1: the script all the time. When you see me and something,

980
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: it's probably exactly the script. You know. So um, I'm sure, um,

981
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 1: you know, other characters do other things. But for the

982
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:43,879
Speaker 1: most part, the writing is the essence of it. It's

983
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 1: so well written by David Simon and so well directed

984
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 1: by really the crew. Not necessarily the directors rotate on

985
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 1: a TV series. It's not typical to have one director

986
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: for the entire series is rare. I think, true to

987
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: Detective did that season when they had one director for

988
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 1: the entire season the HBO show a true detective, but um,

989
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 1: typically another director, another director. You've got ten episodes, you

990
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 1: might have five directors or maybe you have ten directors, uh,

991
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: depending on the contract that each director has. So on

992
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 1: the wire m essence is really it's well done in

993
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 1: all those ways, all the technical ways. Is the essences

994
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 1: in the script, the words himself. Um. They lived at

995
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 1: David Simon was writing in Baltimore. He created part of

996
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: the creation with the corner, so they knew that stuff

997
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: extremely well. They knew the ins and outs of it,

998
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:40,879
Speaker 1: um like anybody else. They knew the in they out

999
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: perfectly new knew something. And so I give it up

1000
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: to them because they they they gave us that material,

1001
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: you know, um, and then they gave us a lot

1002
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 1: of freedom to because sometimes you do a series, and

1003
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: especially when people know it's really good, a lot of

1004
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 1: chiefs come out one of take like they just want

1005
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: to be a part of this good thing, you know.

1006
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 1: But it never really happened like that in my case. Um.

1007
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: It was always just um family, Like it's just it's

1008
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: a it's a real cool experience, you know, you're able

1009
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 1: to be yourself when I say family, you should be

1010
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 1: able to be itself at home, you know. So when

1011
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,839
Speaker 1: I say family, I mean like that where you know,

1012
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: it just could act like ites Wood could be Wood. No,

1013
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 1: there's no um energy of celebrity. So he goes what's

1014
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 1: it like to see a young Michael B. Jordan's and

1015
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: then to see kind of follow his career and see

1016
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 1: him blossom into the actor yes today Just amazing man,

1017
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 1: just amazing man. And the person that he is in

1018
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 1: genuine genuine yeah. More importantly, like you know, no one

1019
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: deserves that more than somebody like him, a personality like his,

1020
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 1: and Mike is the genuine great person a great guy.

1021
00:56:56,600 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: Um watching him like mature, it's just amazing. I mean,

1022
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 1: you know, he was on the wire, so I think

1023
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 1: mikel was maybe sixteen maybe sixteen, I think on the

1024
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 1: wire maybe fifteen something like that. And he's got like

1025
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: laser focus, So you know, if somebody had a superpower

1026
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 1: his focus, he's able to just like focus. I think

1027
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 1: as a young person too, especially as a sixteen year old.

1028
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 1: And when I say that, I mean because he could

1029
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 1: he could say and he's humble enough to be like

1030
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 1: all right, like you like a big bro. You interest

1031
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: you all my big bros. That's it. That's two big,

1032
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: cool big bros to have because interests his own self too.

1033
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: And I'm my own self. I'm not gonna be act

1034
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: like nobody else. It muld be me, and that's it.

1035
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: That's nothing. There's nothing else to be. So watching him

1036
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 1: become the sexiest man, watching him be you know, suited up,

1037
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: watching them be have such incredible I mean, I think

1038
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: the largest success you can kind of have in in

1039
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 1: in the world, at least in acting and film, in

1040
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 1: film and television. It's just awesome. You know, it's just awesome.

1041
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 1: If I didn't know him at all, I'd be like,

1042
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: damn stud got a lot going on. But knowing him

1043
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: and being able to see it all, it's just special.

1044
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 1: And then if you know him, you guys, I'm sure

1045
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:26,919
Speaker 1: y'all met him. If not, he's down the earth, regular guy,

1046
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 1: just a regular guy with all that stuff to his

1047
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: in his treasure chest. You know, I would never know,

1048
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 1: you wouldn't really know, genuinely humble, well raised individual. Mm

1049
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: hmm BMF Pat. It's another good show, uh, you know.

1050
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 1: Executive produced by fifty Um Talk to us a little

1051
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 1: bit about what drew you to that role, and just

1052
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: you know what you knew about BMF going into the situation.

1053
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 1: I knew about BMF going to to the situation just

1054
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 1: over the years because it's notorious and we all. Yeah,

1055
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 1: so I didn't know in depth. I knew the names,

1056
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 1: I knew the activities. I didn't know a lot of

1057
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 1: the stories. I didn't know about Pat. You know, I

1058
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 1: didn't know a Pat character. Um, I'm from Chicago near Detroit.

1059
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: And then it's kind of a built in rivalry we have,

1060
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 1: so you know, we won't be checking for their gangsters

1061
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: like that. We've got enough gangs in Chicago of our own,

1062
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 1: you know. So I never was um drawing to go

1063
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 1: like in depth and learn more about being f F F

1064
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 1: until I got this situation. Well, well, maybe want to

1065
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 1: do it? My brothers in it number one. Just the

1066
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 1: first time you guys got to work together on on

1067
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 1: the project. It's not the first time we worked together.

1068
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 1: It's the first time like this where we're opposing each

1069
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 1: other's We actually played brothers before on a TV series

1070
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 1: called Justified. Um yeah, Justified, I think that's what's called.

1071
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 1: But um, so, working with my brother working with Fifty,

1072
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 1: who I'm friends with um At the time, I I

1073
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 1: was looking to have some work to do with fifty

1074
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: because people talk to me a lot. How come you

1075
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 1: ain't do you know, nothing with fifty in power and

1076
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 1: all they want to see me just be gangster, gangster gangsting.

1077
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 1: Well it's just like, I just don't want to do

1078
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 1: that so much, you know. But this opportunity I thought

1079
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 1: was a good opportunity to do something different with a

1080
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 1: gangster personality. You know, after a while, you know, you

1081
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 1: just be doing the same stuff, you know, And I'm

1082
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 1: not interested in I mean, it's true story, so you

1083
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 1: can it's going to be a different person, you know,

1084
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 1: But if it's a fictional gangster story, I'm not so

1085
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 1: interested in it necessarily. You know. I got like an

1086
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 1: email that just got gangster scripts in it. So don't

1087
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 1: want to let you know what I'm saying exactly, so

1088
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 1: you know, but but but but but no, But I

1089
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 1: love I mean, I love that world. I would rather

1090
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:57,959
Speaker 1: still do that than to be playing like the good

1091
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 1: guys sort of speak, because it's definitely more fun to

1092
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 1: portray the bad guy. Definitely, it's just more fun, more

1093
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 1: fun to be the bad guy in real life is

1094
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 1: more fun to portray the bad guy in real life

1095
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 1: fifty getting involved. I knew that, you know, it would um,

1096
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 1: it would be cool to be around fifty fifties energies,

1097
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 1: a real building energy, you know, Um, at least with me,

1098
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 1: you know of a good friendship with him, and and

1099
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 1: Tasha Smith who who who is a producer and directed

1100
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 1: at all. So she actually I've known her from a

1101
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 1: long time too, So I knew all the people involved.

1102
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:42,440
Speaker 1: And that's when I spoke to him. Russell Hornsby, who's

1103
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 1: his places father on the show. I just knew all

1104
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 1: the people. So it was a no brainer in the sense,

1105
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 1: you know. Um, yeah, I like it. It's it's it's

1106
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 1: what the third the third episode just dropped. Um, you

1107
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 1: mentioned something in port important and I wanted to touch

1108
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 1: on it. And you've been type cast on me into

1109
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 1: the bad way, but you just played a lot of

1110
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 1: streets legend gangster roles. Do you ever get tired of it?

1111
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 1: Or is it hard for you to step out of

1112
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 1: that role and be seen in a different light earlier

1113
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 1: on in your career? Now you're obviously you're proven, but

1114
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 1: was it was it hard to get out of that

1115
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 1: lane at all. Um, I don't know, you know, I

1116
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 1: like I, Um, I'm I'm so in my own bubble

1117
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 1: that I just never really engaged with the idea of

1118
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 1: me so much. So I'm just now engaging with the

1119
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 1: idea of how I'm perceived, you know. So I don't

1120
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 1: really watch the stuff I'm in. I don't really interesting

1121
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 1: listen to. So, you know, my bubble is like not

1122
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 1: a bubble. It was more like a force field, you know,

1123
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 1: because I like anonymity. Here's the thing, you're famous, I'm famous,

1124
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 1: or we're known out here visibly, known by our face alone.

1125
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 1: And that's just no anonymity. There's a negative to it

1126
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 1: to me. Some people like it because they want to

1127
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 1: be on the red carpets and ship like that, but

1128
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 1: I don't, you know, I don't want to be on it,

1129
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 1: you know. Um. So it just made me a lot

1130
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 1: more reclusive than I probably would have been if I

1131
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 1: wasn't a famous or recognizable face. I don't even like

1132
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 1: saying it. I don't like saying it, you know. I'm

1133
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 1: self conscious about that, you know. And when Mike, when

1134
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:31,440
Speaker 1: Mike died, I realized something. I'm here now and I'm

1135
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 1: able to be typically, I don't even know if I

1136
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 1: could even do this stuff. I'm more nervous doing this

1137
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 1: than I am my job, you know, because I um,

1138
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 1: I'm just talking about me, and I don't want to

1139
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 1: talk about me. I just don't. I don't. But Mike,

1140
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 1: maybe I realized that Mike live with like a lot

1141
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 1: of a lot of uplifted energy and spirit that uplifted

1142
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 1: like he could go to like Mike Kay Williams I'm

1143
01:03:56,640 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 1: talking about, he could go to like a park in Brooklyn,

1144
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 1: random Park. They got the music plan and just sort

1145
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 1: of dance with everybody, And they made me realize that

1146
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like an ostrich and essential where you know,

1147
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 1: you stick your hand in the ground. You don't realize

1148
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 1: your body is out anyway. Bro, I can't. You can't,

1149
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 1: like you can't be Your anonymity is something that has

1150
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 1: gone for real. It's like a death. So I don't know.

1151
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 1: I um, it just makes me a lot more reclusive

1152
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 1: and I'm not the hot. I just like the way

1153
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:34,439
Speaker 1: it feels to be not famous, that's all. But you can't.

1154
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:38,000
Speaker 1: You can't undo, you can't und, you can't become. You know,

1155
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:40,960
Speaker 1: you can't undo it, especially me. I don't even I'm

1156
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 1: tatted on people, and it's remarkable how um much stuff

1157
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:48,919
Speaker 1: is of me, you know, to me, people send me

1158
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 1: me tatted on them, like tons of it. You know,

1159
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 1: it's not me, it's the character though, I understand, but

1160
01:04:55,800 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 1: still me that on that face, let it face. So

1161
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 1: you know that gets to me. So I just ignore it.

1162
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 1: So I'm better off because of it makes me feel

1163
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 1: just like I felt when I was eighteen and unfamous

1164
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 1: until somebody had the red light of saying something to

1165
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 1: me or I'm doing an interview. I really I don't

1166
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 1: really think about it, you know, I try not to

1167
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 1: at this point in your career. Anyone else you still

1168
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 1: want to work with it you haven't worked with yet? Uh,

1169
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:31,320
Speaker 1: I mean it's a lot of people, you know. I Um,

1170
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 1: I can't think of anyone off the top, you know

1171
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 1: that I would definitely just I mean, I always want

1172
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 1: to work with a lot of different talent. I'm not

1173
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:44,720
Speaker 1: work with like somebody like Sean Penn is just amazing. Uh.

1174
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:47,640
Speaker 1: I'm a Lawrence Fishburn. I work with Lawrence Fishburn in

1175
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 1: one capacity, but I would like to work with him

1176
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:55,000
Speaker 1: what's another in another way? Lawrence Take he's a friend

1177
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 1: of mine. I mean, these people are my friends, you know,

1178
01:05:57,600 --> 01:05:59,920
Speaker 1: lawrenz is and so I would like to work with

1179
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 1: Lawns and Mackay again. See what we did come up

1180
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 1: with again? Um. I like to work with Charles Stone again,

1181
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 1: see where we come up with something different to show range?

1182
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 1: You know, Um, I can't think of any too many

1183
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:22,880
Speaker 1: more individuals. I mean Jeffrey Wright, don Cheatle. Yeah. I

1184
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 1: love all those guys. I love them, you know what

1185
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 1: I'm saying. They they show you the spirit of like um,

1186
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:32,880
Speaker 1: they keep the high energy up and make you want

1187
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 1: to be good and great at what you do. So

1188
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:36,840
Speaker 1: I like I like them a lot. We want to

1189
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 1: work with those cats. Do you think it's possible to

1190
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:52,640
Speaker 1: do a reboot of Above the Rim, a West Coast

1191
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 1: version of that? Or is that the idea you are

1192
01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:59,919
Speaker 1: you topping off on you popping off bang bang bang

1193
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 1: something going on? Do you think this? Uh? Yeah, man,

1194
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 1: it's all about how you do it. How it's done.

1195
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 1: It's done, Yeah, how it's done definitely, because imagine, like

1196
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 1: you get me so easy to do, Like Kendrick is

1197
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 1: dope as Kendrick was dope or power. Actually he was

1198
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 1: Kendrick is a dope being Yeah, dope. If you can

1199
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 1: get Kindrick do something, do it be birtie Yeah, and

1200
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 1: then yeah I got Kendrick doing that, that would be

1201
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 1: dope and just crafted up, make it up dope. That

1202
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 1: sounds pretty cool. You should work on that. So what's

1203
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 1: it like a normal you know, we have our routines

1204
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 1: as and you kind of test us a little bit

1205
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 1: as athletes for the game day is like for us.

1206
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:54,960
Speaker 1: You know, for me, I would go to shoot around,

1207
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:57,640
Speaker 1: I come home, smuggle joint, taking that shower, go to

1208
01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 1: a game. What's up? What's a work day for you?

1209
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 1: Days to be so long, you know, like um shooting

1210
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 1: schedules to be you know, minimum of twelve hours. So

1211
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 1: when covid um it's extended to more like thirteen and

1212
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 1: a half hours because you have to get test every

1213
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:22,840
Speaker 1: day and you have to wait for an hour of test.

1214
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:25,360
Speaker 1: So like say if you've got a five o'clock call,

1215
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:27,960
Speaker 1: now you've got like a three five am, maybe like

1216
01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 1: four and an hour or so. So it ain't no life,

1217
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 1: you know, it's not like a life. You know, like

1218
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:38,320
Speaker 1: it's just that you just do that. You just go home.

1219
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:42,759
Speaker 1: I'll be wired. I pretty much juiced up on four hours,

1220
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:45,400
Speaker 1: so I try to get in a light life and

1221
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 1: two hours or whatever. Yeah, but that's it don't work

1222
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 1: so well. Yeah, I go watch you motherfucker's and watch

1223
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 1: a few different things and try to catch up in

1224
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:58,559
Speaker 1: life and what it's like. Yeah, so so so I

1225
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 1: watched mostly sports document reason stuff, so I go find

1226
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 1: out what's going on Eastpans and sho didn't go to sleep. Man,

1227
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:07,080
Speaker 1: that's really it. What was your favorite role as far

1228
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 1: m That's hard. I don't know. I don't no, Man,

1229
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:12,639
Speaker 1: that's a hard one too. It is hard to answer.

1230
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:14,280
Speaker 1: I don't think I had a favorite one, but I

1231
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 1: think probably like that Jimmy Hendricks thing was dope because

1232
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:24,840
Speaker 1: it's just so off kilter. Even when I hear myself said,

1233
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 1: it's like, damn, I can't believe I did that right. Yeah,

1234
01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 1: and then I played guitar left handed. I learned a

1235
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:34,720
Speaker 1: lot from Jimmy Hendricks. So I met his father, met

1236
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 1: his his uh sister, his brother um, I mean not

1237
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:44,720
Speaker 1: SI to his niece, his brother UM. Just to have

1238
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 1: anything to do with that part is really the most

1239
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:49,639
Speaker 1: interesting thing I think about me because it makes sense

1240
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 1: for you to see me in above the rim, but

1241
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:52,840
Speaker 1: it doesn't really make sense for you to see me

1242
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:56,439
Speaker 1: as Jimmy Hill. And then that process was dope. Like

1243
01:09:56,479 --> 01:10:02,160
Speaker 1: I said, I learned the guitar. Um, I mad secluded

1244
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 1: myself and I got to rent it this little house

1245
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:06,840
Speaker 1: and lost feelers and just at the bottom of this

1246
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 1: damn hill, I just was in there my fucking loan,

1247
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:12,640
Speaker 1: just yeah, zoning out, trying to figure out Jimmy his

1248
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:16,040
Speaker 1: without the drugs. Is so much drug folklore about him,

1249
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:17,920
Speaker 1: and then come learn the truth. He wasn't really know

1250
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:20,400
Speaker 1: drug head like that, but at that area he was

1251
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 1: a typical person, that's all. But being a rock and

1252
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:26,160
Speaker 1: roll figure, then that was amplified, you know. Media wise,

1253
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 1: it was sort of blowing out. All the rocksters were

1254
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:31,720
Speaker 1: blown out to be sort of like drug heads. And

1255
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:34,880
Speaker 1: when I learned he wasn't just no incredible drug head

1256
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:41,640
Speaker 1: like they spread that information, m false information. Um. I

1257
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:45,519
Speaker 1: really got into him a lot, you know. Um, so

1258
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:48,160
Speaker 1: he really changed my life. I'm already a musical person,

1259
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 1: so he made me even more musical. Um yeah, and

1260
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:58,439
Speaker 1: I'm lyrical. He makes me lyrical with a delivery and

1261
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:02,080
Speaker 1: a role, So I like, I'll see a role in

1262
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:05,719
Speaker 1: now at this level, I'll be trying to be lyrical,

1263
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 1: you know, like rather than just to say the lines,

1264
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:10,720
Speaker 1: you can say the lines and meet it and you

1265
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:15,799
Speaker 1: still can sound good. But intonation going up and down range,

1266
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:21,800
Speaker 1: voice tone, just architecture of a role, taking these notes,

1267
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:26,000
Speaker 1: driving jam right, and I think it's I think it's

1268
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:30,680
Speaker 1: stages of that. Like I don't think that's necessary. Um,

1269
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:33,360
Speaker 1: I'm having just fun doing it, but that's not necessary.

1270
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:36,720
Speaker 1: You know, you can just catch the feeling of the

1271
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 1: lines and deliver the line. It'll have the lyric in

1272
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:42,280
Speaker 1: it because you know you could feel the lines, but

1273
01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:44,280
Speaker 1: you also have a great control if you're able to

1274
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:47,800
Speaker 1: do that within the line though precisely so you want

1275
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 1: to be able to do that, like if there was

1276
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:53,439
Speaker 1: a story about y'all that two cats had to go

1277
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:56,800
Speaker 1: do move and act this out right, be y'all on

1278
01:11:56,840 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 1: the set and just be y'all. Right now, it's a

1279
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:02,120
Speaker 1: way to be you. It sounds like you in a

1280
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 1: way to sound like you, that's very um. You don't

1281
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:08,960
Speaker 1: have to wing it. In other words, you know, I

1282
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:11,439
Speaker 1: can sound like you. You can study us. I can

1283
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:13,120
Speaker 1: study you, and I can talk like you because you

1284
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:16,519
Speaker 1: know you when when you try to invitate you, I

1285
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:18,439
Speaker 1: don't want to do it. I can invitate you bother

1286
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:21,160
Speaker 1: I would be off. But take a person like Godfree,

1287
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:23,439
Speaker 1: who I grew up with god Godfrey from Chicago to

1288
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:29,479
Speaker 1: I've known Godfrey super talent to childhood. Right, so um uh,

1289
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:31,320
Speaker 1: it's kind of what he's doing. You know, he's able

1290
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:34,639
Speaker 1: to catch the speed that you talk. You talk fast?

1291
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:37,280
Speaker 1: Do you know? You talk fast? Man? You do, and

1292
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:40,640
Speaker 1: you still slow slow, try to do so much and

1293
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:42,559
Speaker 1: trying to slow down. It just don't work. Oh this

1294
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:46,400
Speaker 1: is the slow. I gotta smoke more. He's like, but

1295
01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:50,240
Speaker 1: you talk and it's not just fast. You have um

1296
01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:53,840
Speaker 1: distinct patterns to the way you speak. So when you talk,

1297
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 1: you might say like, so when you was doing this thing,

1298
01:12:56,040 --> 01:13:00,400
Speaker 1: but I can hear like put the word behind that.

1299
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:04,400
Speaker 1: After a while I'll be talking like you. But so

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01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:07,479
Speaker 1: you can um insane with you, you know you just

1301
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:10,400
Speaker 1: first I would just see what rhythmically you sounded like,

1302
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:12,439
Speaker 1: because you have a cadence that you know, it's a

1303
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:15,679
Speaker 1: drum that you go to both of y'all, So find

1304
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:20,120
Speaker 1: that and then I know how y'all are as individuals.

1305
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:23,080
Speaker 1: So I can understand beyond the technical part, so I

1306
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:24,880
Speaker 1: can lay it back now, to lay it back and

1307
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:27,639
Speaker 1: not just be a generic version of mad or generic

1308
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 1: version of you or caricature of you. I could probably

1309
01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:38,200
Speaker 1: be a lot more genuine to you and the process

1310
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:40,320
Speaker 1: and feel good about it. You know what I'm saying.

1311
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 1: So which character you know? Obviously? Picking you? You said, Jimmy,

1312
01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:49,880
Speaker 1: But picking one is hard. What character you still recognize

1313
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 1: the most part? Would you say, Uh, that's probably um

1314
01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 1: Ace's it probably Ace? Or if it's not Aces, then

1315
01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:59,479
Speaker 1: a Von. But I would think it would probably be

1316
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:03,520
Speaker 1: Ace only because of the tattoos and carpets and furniture

1317
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:06,799
Speaker 1: and t shirts and there's so much stuff Jim shoes

1318
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:10,400
Speaker 1: and there's so much stuff on that to be surprised.

1319
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:15,439
Speaker 1: It has a whole universe that the wire has. But

1320
01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:19,920
Speaker 1: it's different. It's just different current NBA. What teams are

1321
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:22,400
Speaker 1: you watching? Players you checking out while I'm watching I'm

1322
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:24,920
Speaker 1: watching everything now, So I'm watching all the early stuff

1323
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:27,840
Speaker 1: that I can. You know, man, I'm a mellow fan

1324
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 1: East Coast mellow, young mellow, young mellow. He's pretty cold

1325
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:35,679
Speaker 1: blooded to me. I like, I'm He's like, you must

1326
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 1: see I think John maranis must see in terms of

1327
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 1: young fellas. Um, it's a lot of critical stuff going

1328
01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:47,760
Speaker 1: on in NBA. I mean critical to meaning stuff you

1329
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 1: can criticize and talk about. Not that it's urgent because

1330
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:55,559
Speaker 1: it's basketball. How urgent could it be? But it is

1331
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:58,280
Speaker 1: critical in terms of Brooklyn and nets So I wanted

1332
01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:01,760
Speaker 1: to see that team and what they mature to be.

1333
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:04,519
Speaker 1: It looks like they won't have Kyrie, so it's gonna

1334
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:06,439
Speaker 1: be a different thing going on over there for the

1335
01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:10,880
Speaker 1: most part, at least for now. Um, the Lakers lost

1336
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 1: every I think preseason games, so that don't feel good.

1337
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:15,600
Speaker 1: You know. I know that they're they're all veterans and

1338
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:17,720
Speaker 1: all you guys probably yeah, we don't give it. They're

1339
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:20,920
Speaker 1: gonna be amazing. But from a fans standpoint, you're like, man,

1340
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:27,360
Speaker 1: you know, every game though, every game because Kobe, Shack,

1341
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:32,519
Speaker 1: Karme Alon and Gary Payton is a super duper team

1342
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:36,640
Speaker 1: too older, is that gonna happen? So my head is like,

1343
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:38,640
Speaker 1: is that gonna happen? I don't think Lebron will let

1344
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:42,040
Speaker 1: that happen because I just think that I don't know,

1345
01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm curious about the team now because

1346
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:50,080
Speaker 1: history repeace itself too. If you believe that, then here

1347
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:55,400
Speaker 1: we go again. As far as shock, Karme, Alon, Gary

1348
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:58,680
Speaker 1: Payton and the great, this ain't this ain't this is

1349
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:04,040
Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant. This is put six to you on you, Kobe.

1350
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 1: And they didn't have no success so and we know

1351
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:10,439
Speaker 1: it when the talent that made the success not happened

1352
01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:13,800
Speaker 1: because Karl Malone. He who can stop Karl Malone? I'm

1353
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:16,040
Speaker 1: not even talking about Kobe bron who could stop Karl

1354
01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:20,320
Speaker 1: Malone like he was a monster? Great defense. Look at

1355
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:24,920
Speaker 1: that team defensively. I don't know what's gonna happen with

1356
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:28,480
Speaker 1: the Lakers. I am rooting. I am rooting for them.

1357
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:31,160
Speaker 1: You know, I'm living out here. I'm rooting for them.

1358
01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:33,760
Speaker 1: I'm a Bulls fan because I'm from Chicago. That's what

1359
01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:35,639
Speaker 1: my heart is. I love the way the Bulls look.

1360
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:41,720
Speaker 1: Zoe looks so good and and he played like it's

1361
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:47,200
Speaker 1: bro like he I think Zoe like he got all this,

1362
01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:50,960
Speaker 1: He got everything that both his brothers have. He's the older,

1363
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:54,439
Speaker 1: he got everything they have. But he's utility. He uses

1364
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:58,080
Speaker 1: I think his head differently. If he click over a

1365
01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 1: little mellow, a little zone more free doing it now,

1366
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:05,120
Speaker 1: playing like his little bree who got a license from

1367
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:09,799
Speaker 1: Jordan to do whatever. Stop it already, bro stopping mellow

1368
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:12,840
Speaker 1: is amazing. Yeah, and the young I guess the young

1369
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:14,599
Speaker 1: boy didn't make that. I mean the middle kid didn't

1370
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:19,320
Speaker 1: make that with his name. Yeah, but he called too though,

1371
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:21,960
Speaker 1: like he's cold. All these guys are the best people

1372
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:24,920
Speaker 1: in the world. Um, you know what he's saying, Man,

1373
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:28,040
Speaker 1: are you growing up? And everybody make it? Everybody can't

1374
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:31,479
Speaker 1: go gee. Everybody can't go gee. I don't think you

1375
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:34,240
Speaker 1: gonna make it. You don't think I don't gonna make it.

1376
01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:37,479
Speaker 1: Let's not put that. He needed gy out there, bro

1377
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:43,240
Speaker 1: keep it low, okay, didn't all right up over here?

1378
01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:48,439
Speaker 1: It's okay. He got a chance one more, one more

1379
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:50,479
Speaker 1: good run if you don't happen after he was getting

1380
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:53,519
Speaker 1: like he got sixteen in the precede. I think you

1381
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 1: get to a certain point. I think he should make

1382
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:57,960
Speaker 1: one more hard pushing and then after that because he

1383
01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:00,679
Speaker 1: can make a lot of money over Okay, well yeah,

1384
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:03,320
Speaker 1: but I can see that when I feel but they're

1385
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:07,000
Speaker 1: still going in the exhaust all options here. First to me,

1386
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:08,439
Speaker 1: I think he has one more good run. I think

1387
01:18:08,479 --> 01:18:10,679
Speaker 1: he was close to actually making you know, at least

1388
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:14,439
Speaker 1: making the roster, but obviously he didn't. But yeah, I've

1389
01:18:14,479 --> 01:18:17,040
Speaker 1: seen a lot of people average twenty in summer League.

1390
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:19,840
Speaker 1: Don't get on the NBA corp why though, see the

1391
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:22,400
Speaker 1: politics don't be there. Numbers is called the numbers game.

1392
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:24,519
Speaker 1: I got caught up in the numbers game before pretty

1393
01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:28,519
Speaker 1: what do you mean by that numbers? Put it like this,

1394
01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 1: I got signed with the Spurs. I deserve to be playing, right,

1395
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:35,519
Speaker 1: but you have Steve Smith, Steve Kerr. All these veterans

1396
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 1: are saying the number it's a numbers game, like many

1397
01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:42,639
Speaker 1: play already deserved. But where do you fit in? Right?

1398
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:44,519
Speaker 1: You sit on the angel list the whole year and

1399
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:46,320
Speaker 1: wate your turn and how much money do there? And

1400
01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:48,760
Speaker 1: then once you said just you say you sit on

1401
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 1: the bench the whole year. You might not get an

1402
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:53,320
Speaker 1: opportunity next year, you know what I'm saying. So a

1403
01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:54,880
Speaker 1: lot of people get caught up in the numbers game.

1404
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:57,280
Speaker 1: A lot of guys that belong in the NBA that

1405
01:18:57,320 --> 01:19:00,439
Speaker 1: could be nice and NBA chance, you never got that tunity.

1406
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:04,000
Speaker 1: That's just a lot of brothers that just like a

1407
01:19:04,040 --> 01:19:05,920
Speaker 1: lot of brothers, I know in the pan that could

1408
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 1: have played in the league. I know at least three

1409
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 1: guys from my neighborhood that went to jail that could

1410
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:13,200
Speaker 1: have played the league, at least three. It's it's hard

1411
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:18,519
Speaker 1: to get into the NBA or into professional period things

1412
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:21,680
Speaker 1: in life, Like, I don't know what what profession is

1413
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:24,920
Speaker 1: it easy to get into that's legal? I don't know.

1414
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:28,200
Speaker 1: It's not life changing, yeah, not life changing and not

1415
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:31,720
Speaker 1: where you can amass any kind of wealth, right. I

1416
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:33,920
Speaker 1: think you made a great point earlier though. But because

1417
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:38,280
Speaker 1: it's a professional and something, whether it be acting, rapping, singing, sports,

1418
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:40,519
Speaker 1: we make it that look easy, but we make it

1419
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:43,160
Speaker 1: look doable so everyone thinks they can step in and

1420
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:45,519
Speaker 1: being after all, I can play with them and realize

1421
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:47,880
Speaker 1: you get on the court and you can't dribble. You know,

1422
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:50,200
Speaker 1: all they see is the glitz, and I mean when

1423
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:55,599
Speaker 1: they see it, they see just what they see something finished. Yeah, yeah,

1424
01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:57,880
Speaker 1: they always see is the you know, the shiny ship.

1425
01:19:57,960 --> 01:19:59,679
Speaker 1: And that's what people want to show for the most

1426
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:04,080
Speaker 1: party show. You know, listen to the the NBA literally the

1427
01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:07,519
Speaker 1: fashion show before the god damn game. Excuse my French.

1428
01:20:08,479 --> 01:20:11,000
Speaker 1: It's a fashion show and it's great for the players

1429
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:13,559
Speaker 1: because now that branding is amazing in the NBA. If

1430
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:15,559
Speaker 1: I could choose to be any kind of athlete, of

1431
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:18,520
Speaker 1: course it would be NBA. But I think if football

1432
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:21,160
Speaker 1: players be feeling that way, like most of them feel

1433
01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:24,559
Speaker 1: that way, because look how it's set up, the NBA

1434
01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:27,479
Speaker 1: is good to the athlete as far as that goes.

1435
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:31,440
Speaker 1: I mean, it's all it's a limit to good sports

1436
01:20:31,439 --> 01:20:37,320
Speaker 1: ownership thing football, baseball, basketball, But the NBA is pretty

1437
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:40,599
Speaker 1: damn awesome in terms of the ability to brand out

1438
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:45,040
Speaker 1: even a look. When the bubble happened, lesser known players emerged,

1439
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:48,640
Speaker 1: that stop because the big boys, the big boys already,

1440
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:51,280
Speaker 1: that's how dope it was. Come on, man, and then

1441
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:53,479
Speaker 1: and then the guy twelfth on the bench got an

1442
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:58,679
Speaker 1: m Listen, man, where that's right? It's more. They got

1443
01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:02,880
Speaker 1: more than Dr j mm hmmm, the last player on

1444
01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:07,640
Speaker 1: the bench, Come on to dr j Crazy players we

1445
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:10,519
Speaker 1: never heard of made more than the greats, some of

1446
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:13,679
Speaker 1: the greats even um. I remember when I heard they said,

1447
01:21:14,479 --> 01:21:16,840
Speaker 1: uh what they said they said? I remember it was

1448
01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:20,639
Speaker 1: announced that Magic Johnson was getting a million dollars twenty years,

1449
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:22,960
Speaker 1: twenty year, twenty million dollar dayal or something like that.

1450
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:26,040
Speaker 1: Getting a million a year old everybody. It was like

1451
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:32,000
Speaker 1: five years later Shot got a hundred and twenty MS.

1452
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:34,720
Speaker 1: Then it was like whoa, that was the game him

1453
01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:37,840
Speaker 1: and Kevin Garnett. That's when it became so much about

1454
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:40,280
Speaker 1: y'all's money, because before they don't give me, who care

1455
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:44,720
Speaker 1: and nobody would care about y'all. Now there's care about it.

1456
01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:49,880
Speaker 1: That's different than interests. They care about your money. Not

1457
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:53,960
Speaker 1: fair really, but um, that's something y'all have to deal

1458
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:56,840
Speaker 1: with because it's a lot of money and this is

1459
01:21:56,880 --> 01:22:00,120
Speaker 1: a capitalist country and so you guys are small business.

1460
01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:02,840
Speaker 1: Business is donna make a million dollars a year? Your

1461
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:07,080
Speaker 1: favorite business didn't make a million dollars, you know, just

1462
01:22:07,080 --> 01:22:08,439
Speaker 1: just like you touched on your side. You know how

1463
01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 1: we make it normal. You know. On another note, like

1464
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:14,679
Speaker 1: with trauma and in our neighborhoods, you know we deal

1465
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:18,360
Speaker 1: with so much. We make that look normal too. That's true,

1466
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:19,720
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. That's why that's why people

1467
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:21,240
Speaker 1: don't make a big deal. I was like, y'all've been

1468
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:23,240
Speaker 1: dealing with it so long, and y'all don't make it

1469
01:22:23,320 --> 01:22:25,280
Speaker 1: look like a big deal. Why y'all complain so much. No,

1470
01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:27,280
Speaker 1: because we deal with it so much as we see

1471
01:22:27,320 --> 01:22:30,360
Speaker 1: it every day. It's normal the trauma that we go

1472
01:22:30,439 --> 01:22:32,040
Speaker 1: through every day. You know what I'm saying, that's the

1473
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:34,800
Speaker 1: same thing. It isn't We have to normalize it to

1474
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:40,959
Speaker 1: make to bear it like to bear exactly, be arrested

1475
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:44,679
Speaker 1: by the traumatic thing. That's when you know, we see

1476
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:49,720
Speaker 1: the people arrested by trauma. They show trauma, they show damage.

1477
01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:52,559
Speaker 1: Most people who can cope, I just don't want to

1478
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:55,920
Speaker 1: show damage, so they can at least manage to not

1479
01:22:56,000 --> 01:23:00,880
Speaker 1: be looking damaged in around people. So we deal with trauma,

1480
01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:03,760
Speaker 1: but we haven't as a black culture goes. There's a

1481
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:07,880
Speaker 1: lot of work to be done in it's complicated. So

1482
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:14,639
Speaker 1: we don't have um an answer or any answers. So

1483
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:19,080
Speaker 1: so it's difficult. You know, the thing is to make money.

1484
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:22,360
Speaker 1: One thing is to make money. So and it's easier

1485
01:23:22,439 --> 01:23:25,919
Speaker 1: said that done when it's millionaires sitting on microphones and

1486
01:23:26,439 --> 01:23:31,760
Speaker 1: people watching us, you know, you know, and that's all

1487
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:35,040
Speaker 1: they could because they count the money now, count the

1488
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:38,719
Speaker 1: money now where even with me, they count you'all's money.

1489
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:42,759
Speaker 1: So and they care. It's part of their fantasy to

1490
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:46,040
Speaker 1: to at least be vicarious through the athletes, you know.

1491
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:48,960
Speaker 1: So because you can't just become a basketball player. You

1492
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:51,559
Speaker 1: can become an actor and you know you might not

1493
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:53,519
Speaker 1: end up would or might not end up interest or

1494
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:56,840
Speaker 1: Denzel Washington or whoever, but you can sort of get

1495
01:23:56,840 --> 01:23:59,000
Speaker 1: in there and do extra work and find and get

1496
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:01,000
Speaker 1: a couple of speaking roles and not you. I mean

1497
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:03,680
Speaker 1: when I say you, I'm talking in general. But you

1498
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:07,320
Speaker 1: can't just become a basketball player. A lot of things

1499
01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:09,120
Speaker 1: got to go on your favor. Yeah, you need a

1500
01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:11,960
Speaker 1: lot of things, Yeah, a lot, especially nowadays, Like I

1501
01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:14,280
Speaker 1: don't know how they make it without being giants. So

1502
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:16,960
Speaker 1: I don't understand how you even make it without being

1503
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:19,760
Speaker 1: a giant. Little boys gone to you can have a

1504
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:24,639
Speaker 1: big following. Now, that's true. See what I'm saying these days.

1505
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:27,800
Speaker 1: That's some other stuff though. That's having a viral presence

1506
01:24:28,439 --> 01:24:32,800
Speaker 1: and having like these kids are big enough. That's not

1507
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:37,439
Speaker 1: the same prime you do. You see someone that reminds

1508
01:24:37,439 --> 01:24:39,800
Speaker 1: you of your game in the league, in the league,

1509
01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:42,840
Speaker 1: I want to hear this. I show this because you

1510
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:45,360
Speaker 1: throw you showed play like MJ. Your whole game. You're dogs.

1511
01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:51,400
Speaker 1: I modeled off the MJ because yeah, yeah, yeah, that's

1512
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:54,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't say prime. I'm trying to think

1513
01:24:54,840 --> 01:24:56,080
Speaker 1: of something that you know, I was watching all the

1514
01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:58,599
Speaker 1: different I just watching the movie. I was watching the game,

1515
01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:01,280
Speaker 1: and that's Rutgers. Those are real realms, those real rims.

1516
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:05,639
Speaker 1: There real rims. But um on the West side, let's

1517
01:25:05,680 --> 01:25:07,400
Speaker 1: see who we had. I'm gonna get back to that.

1518
01:25:07,960 --> 01:25:10,840
Speaker 1: I remember at the park one time I played against

1519
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:12,240
Speaker 1: another pro. He end up a pro, but it was

1520
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:16,760
Speaker 1: Nick Anderson and the young Nick Anderson, Like I thought,

1521
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:21,920
Speaker 1: I was, you know, yeah, but I still had the ego.

1522
01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:27,160
Speaker 1: But the young people don't really realize until everybody thinks

1523
01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:29,120
Speaker 1: that they can go and play y'all and play to

1524
01:25:29,160 --> 01:25:33,640
Speaker 1: you guys. And it's another story, man, if you have

1525
01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:36,880
Speaker 1: an ego, ego crushing to see somebody so much better

1526
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:39,080
Speaker 1: than you. Even though at that point I wasn't. I

1527
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:40,880
Speaker 1: was like, I just I feel like I could get there,

1528
01:25:40,920 --> 01:25:44,720
Speaker 1: you know what I mean as a basketball player. But um,

1529
01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:49,400
Speaker 1: in the league now, I mean you say now right

1530
01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:52,599
Speaker 1: now or in general period. I mean I'm modeled myself

1531
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:55,680
Speaker 1: out to Michael Jordan just in terms of just in

1532
01:25:55,720 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 1: a lot of ways, you know, just um, I want

1533
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:02,200
Speaker 1: to be just the best. So that's like Mike. So

1534
01:26:02,240 --> 01:26:05,120
Speaker 1: I just want to be the best. So so I'm

1535
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:11,719
Speaker 1: like Michael Jordan's in basketball since um yeah, I play

1536
01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:13,360
Speaker 1: like Mike. I just want to be like Mike because

1537
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:15,559
Speaker 1: we grew up Chicago. You've seen all the home games.

1538
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:18,760
Speaker 1: I saw the maturation of Michael Jordan. Yeah w g

1539
01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:20,599
Speaker 1: and you've seeing all the You've seen I'm seeing all

1540
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:27,439
Speaker 1: the local all all the games, so you know, um man,

1541
01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:29,839
Speaker 1: So I just love Ai because what I love about

1542
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:38,360
Speaker 1: Alan Abbinson is everything I do. I love everything about Alans.

1543
01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:40,400
Speaker 1: You guys already got a chance to spend some time together.

1544
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:42,560
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I tell you. Let me tell you.

1545
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:47,439
Speaker 1: I don't have a story. One day, I'm in New York.

1546
01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:50,880
Speaker 1: There's a quick story, quick with quickly, Okay, I'm in

1547
01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:53,200
Speaker 1: New York, right, I forgot what I'm working and working

1548
01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:55,280
Speaker 1: on something. But I'm telling I'm in New York City too,

1549
01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:58,120
Speaker 1: something in Manhat proper Manhattan. I'm in a hotel. One

1550
01:26:58,160 --> 01:27:00,479
Speaker 1: of my homies. We're about to get on the block, right,

1551
01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:03,800
Speaker 1: so we did. We're gonna We're walking down the street

1552
01:27:04,360 --> 01:27:06,160
Speaker 1: and you know, it's New York. So we're walking you

1553
01:27:06,200 --> 01:27:08,599
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So I see this little area.

1554
01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:11,680
Speaker 1: They got this caution tape up. They got the men

1555
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:13,679
Speaker 1: on one side of the street. It's kind of thugged

1556
01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:14,880
Speaker 1: out too. They get the men on one side of

1557
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:16,880
Speaker 1: the street and the women on the other side. Though

1558
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:20,240
Speaker 1: something had happened, right, This is a while ago to

1559
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:22,680
Speaker 1: AI was in the league. This is not this is

1560
01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:27,799
Speaker 1: AI being in the least. It's a long time ago. Um.

1561
01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:30,719
Speaker 1: So I see I see the little security dude inside

1562
01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:33,519
Speaker 1: the point, inside the club, and it's it's it's caution

1563
01:27:33,560 --> 01:27:35,719
Speaker 1: tape all in the club and ship we're walking by.

1564
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:37,679
Speaker 1: I see the fly. I picked it up. It's supposed

1565
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:40,320
Speaker 1: to be an Allen Iverson party, right, So I'm like

1566
01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:42,160
Speaker 1: it was probably, but is it really? Or they're throwing

1567
01:27:42,160 --> 01:27:44,559
Speaker 1: them other name on some ship, pulling in the crowd,

1568
01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:46,800
Speaker 1: and you know what I'm saying, And get the money now.

1569
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:48,920
Speaker 1: They cleared the club out. The fight happened. They cleared

1570
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:51,960
Speaker 1: the club out. No, Allen Ibinson, who cares? We got

1571
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:54,760
Speaker 1: all these people. So I see the security dude. I'm

1572
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:57,599
Speaker 1: trying to keep game. I go ask him what's the game? Though? Bro?

1573
01:27:57,680 --> 01:27:58,880
Speaker 1: He knows who I am, you know, what I'm says.

1574
01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:01,160
Speaker 1: He recognized his So what's the game? Does this is

1575
01:28:01,160 --> 01:28:03,040
Speaker 1: this fake ship? Because you know I'm gonna keep it pushing.

1576
01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:07,639
Speaker 1: But is this fake? It's policing the policing there and everything, right,

1577
01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:10,280
Speaker 1: So he said no, this was really Alan Iverson man,

1578
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:13,800
Speaker 1: this and that. So okay, cool, I leave me in

1579
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:15,799
Speaker 1: the homie league. We did. We're walking down the street.

1580
01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:18,400
Speaker 1: When we get to the corner, I forget we're like

1581
01:28:18,439 --> 01:28:20,360
Speaker 1: on twenty three and something. We get to the corner,

1582
01:28:21,160 --> 01:28:24,960
Speaker 1: stretched white jag, right, it's a I. He dipped the

1583
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:27,920
Speaker 1: window because I had met him before. Um, I want

1584
01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:30,200
Speaker 1: a reboked thing that I did. Um I did this

1585
01:28:30,240 --> 01:28:33,320
Speaker 1: rebok campaign with photo shoots and stuff. So I met

1586
01:28:33,400 --> 01:28:36,920
Speaker 1: him briefly before, so you know AI dipped the window

1587
01:28:36,920 --> 01:28:40,880
Speaker 1: down Boom boom wood. This isn't that yo. I jumped

1588
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:43,200
Speaker 1: in the whip with him. So now we're chilling. We're

1589
01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:45,960
Speaker 1: driving when we kicked back, so I tell them as

1590
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:47,799
Speaker 1: soon as I get in there, I was like, yo, man,

1591
01:28:47,880 --> 01:28:50,519
Speaker 1: caution taping that mother, that's it dead over there. Like

1592
01:28:50,920 --> 01:28:53,760
Speaker 1: we drove by, We've seen the crowd all like it was,

1593
01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:55,960
Speaker 1: and we gets kept it pushing, right, So we end

1594
01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:58,439
Speaker 1: up driving around city of New York for like a while.

1595
01:28:58,439 --> 01:29:01,000
Speaker 1: I just talking, talking, talking, talking talk, chopping it up right,

1596
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:04,400
Speaker 1: you know, and so and just having a good time

1597
01:29:04,439 --> 01:29:07,400
Speaker 1: and put you like that, having a good time. So

1598
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:09,160
Speaker 1: he take me back to the crea. I go back

1599
01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:13,479
Speaker 1: to the hotel. Now it's probably like two in the morning,

1600
01:29:14,120 --> 01:29:16,280
Speaker 1: you know, it might be two thirty three in the morning.

1601
01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:20,160
Speaker 1: I go in the crib, I mean in the in

1602
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:22,000
Speaker 1: the in the town boom. I watched a little tier

1603
01:29:22,040 --> 01:29:25,960
Speaker 1: false slip. I wake up. He on TV now right,

1604
01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:29,479
Speaker 1: they're playing Jason Kidd. He playing the nets. I think yeah,

1605
01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 1: I think it was yeah, yeah, because he was only

1606
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:33,200
Speaker 1: in New York chilling, not playing the knicks, but playing

1607
01:29:33,200 --> 01:29:35,639
Speaker 1: the nets. So he over the he over the water

1608
01:29:35,640 --> 01:29:38,640
Speaker 1: now playing the nets. So it's the Ai with the

1609
01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:41,800
Speaker 1: dark circles and the hair ain't done right. So I

1610
01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:44,960
Speaker 1: know that AI now when you see and the hair

1611
01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:46,960
Speaker 1: ain't done right. He might have had a good time.

1612
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:49,240
Speaker 1: You might have had a good time to night before. Right,

1613
01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:52,280
Speaker 1: So we had a good time. But he put forty

1614
01:29:52,320 --> 01:29:56,840
Speaker 1: three and twelve. He had forty three and twelve, he

1615
01:29:56,920 --> 01:29:59,719
Speaker 1: had That's my story. He had forty three and twelve.

1616
01:29:59,760 --> 01:30:01,640
Speaker 1: If don't go out and have a good time, he

1617
01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:05,320
Speaker 1: might not play good. That's got his routine has to

1618
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:09,280
Speaker 1: be the same. He just different, bro, It's super different

1619
01:30:09,320 --> 01:30:12,720
Speaker 1: but different. I ran into Ai when I was in

1620
01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:17,519
Speaker 1: Philly to shooting Creed um one I think, so yeah,

1621
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:19,680
Speaker 1: I ran into him at the hotel. He liked to

1622
01:30:19,760 --> 01:30:21,679
Speaker 1: hit the casino sometime and all that type of ship.

1623
01:30:23,640 --> 01:30:26,799
Speaker 1: I ain't do it, but yeah, I can't do it, alright,

1624
01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:30,759
Speaker 1: quick hitters. First thing to come to mind. Top five

1625
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:34,240
Speaker 1: movies in your opinion all time? Top five movies off

1626
01:30:34,280 --> 01:30:36,800
Speaker 1: your top five? Well, I say, well, one of them

1627
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:39,400
Speaker 1: is Hoop Dreams. Even though it's a documentary. I would

1628
01:30:39,400 --> 01:30:41,599
Speaker 1: put Hoop Dreams on there. That's my community. If you've

1629
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:43,880
Speaker 1: seen Hoop Dreams, then I went to that high school

1630
01:30:44,160 --> 01:30:48,360
Speaker 1: at the Ages neighborhood. That's same thing. But Hoop Dreams

1631
01:30:48,360 --> 01:30:50,519
Speaker 1: are just amazing. There's nothing like it. So I really

1632
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:54,719
Speaker 1: love that film. Um. I like a lot of older stuff.

1633
01:30:54,760 --> 01:30:58,759
Speaker 1: So that The Sting and which is a Robert Redford

1634
01:30:58,760 --> 01:31:02,320
Speaker 1: and Paul Newman film. It's like a heist sort of movie.

1635
01:31:02,760 --> 01:31:06,559
Speaker 1: It's called The Sting. It's a classic. UM. Paper Moon,

1636
01:31:06,640 --> 01:31:13,040
Speaker 1: which is another classic film. Um, and then I like

1637
01:31:13,120 --> 01:31:14,879
Speaker 1: I like some of I like some of the thrillers

1638
01:31:14,920 --> 01:31:17,360
Speaker 1: that are out now, Like the Korean thrillers are dope.

1639
01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:20,759
Speaker 1: There's one called The Whaling. It's one of my favorite

1640
01:31:20,760 --> 01:31:27,800
Speaker 1: films already. And uh, I'm pretty hard on the films man,

1641
01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:30,000
Speaker 1: I don't even like watching most of them. I get

1642
01:31:30,040 --> 01:31:32,519
Speaker 1: discouraged looking at a lot of stuff and make me

1643
01:31:32,520 --> 01:31:34,559
Speaker 1: feel like I'm wasting my time. So I don't have

1644
01:31:34,680 --> 01:31:38,840
Speaker 1: a long list of favorites in in acting and stuff

1645
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:42,680
Speaker 1: like that. But favorite line you ever said in the

1646
01:31:42,720 --> 01:31:46,240
Speaker 1: movie that you can remember acting points of paper line,

1647
01:31:47,840 --> 01:31:50,000
Speaker 1: I would bury the both of you. Motherfucker's take that.

1648
01:31:50,240 --> 01:31:51,560
Speaker 1: I take it. I take it. I take it, I

1649
01:31:51,640 --> 01:31:53,840
Speaker 1: take it. I would have to think back. I take that.

1650
01:31:53,880 --> 01:31:57,880
Speaker 1: I'm glad you could save me. I think that. Yeah,

1651
01:31:57,880 --> 01:32:00,400
Speaker 1: I bet both of you. Mother, that's real, quick, quick, sot.

1652
01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:02,559
Speaker 1: I just want to ask, because I think you're around

1653
01:32:02,640 --> 01:32:07,280
Speaker 1: the same time at least Benji Wilson a little bit

1654
01:32:07,320 --> 01:32:09,240
Speaker 1: older than you, a little bit older than me. Yeah,

1655
01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:12,960
Speaker 1: do you remember him everything? Um? In fact, the document

1656
01:32:13,080 --> 01:32:15,880
Speaker 1: the thirty thirty is me. I narrated his thirty on him.

1657
01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:19,439
Speaker 1: Coody Coody and Cheek, who directed it, also directed the

1658
01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:25,120
Speaker 1: upcoming Kanye Um doc for Netflix, which is phenomenal and

1659
01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:27,439
Speaker 1: it's kind of like Hoop Dreams in the sense that

1660
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:31,800
Speaker 1: this they have because Coody grew up with Kanye, so

1661
01:32:31,800 --> 01:32:34,200
Speaker 1: he's known him since prior to him even being signed,

1662
01:32:34,760 --> 01:32:37,320
Speaker 1: and so it chronicles all the way from not signed

1663
01:32:37,320 --> 01:32:40,000
Speaker 1: to like a billionaire in real time. So it's not

1664
01:32:40,080 --> 01:32:43,080
Speaker 1: just a bunch of interview. It's gonna be dupe. Shout out, Coody, chicken.

1665
01:32:43,200 --> 01:32:46,960
Speaker 1: But what was question? Right now, I forgot you narrated that.

1666
01:32:47,000 --> 01:32:49,880
Speaker 1: But Wilson and what kind of like that struck the

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01:32:49,880 --> 01:32:52,160
Speaker 1: city like it was a thunder clap on the city,

1668
01:32:52,240 --> 01:32:54,479
Speaker 1: like an earthquake on the city when he died, You know,

1669
01:32:54,680 --> 01:32:58,120
Speaker 1: um because he was all around good kids. I know

1670
01:32:58,200 --> 01:33:01,920
Speaker 1: the person who actually killed him, now okay, he's gotten out.

1671
01:33:02,360 --> 01:33:04,920
Speaker 1: I know him because of the documentary and I G

1672
01:33:05,160 --> 01:33:09,400
Speaker 1: and things like that, and decent person. You know. Big mistake,

1673
01:33:09,760 --> 01:33:13,400
Speaker 1: very big mistake. He was carrying a gun. He was young,

1674
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:17,240
Speaker 1: and you know back then, back then, you know, you

1675
01:33:17,240 --> 01:33:20,280
Speaker 1: could bump into a dude and catch one, you know

1676
01:33:20,320 --> 01:33:22,920
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Or you can get killed over some

1677
01:33:23,040 --> 01:33:27,000
Speaker 1: kicks or starter jacket or that's just ever in time.

1678
01:33:27,280 --> 01:33:29,799
Speaker 1: You know, you might have on a nice something nice

1679
01:33:30,200 --> 01:33:33,439
Speaker 1: person actually kill you for for something nice, even a garment.

1680
01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:37,800
Speaker 1: So that's what the streets was like in Chicago. I

1681
01:33:37,800 --> 01:33:39,720
Speaker 1: think the guy who ended up shooting and killing him

1682
01:33:39,760 --> 01:33:43,680
Speaker 1: got bullied, and I think that's what the story was

1683
01:33:43,680 --> 01:33:45,400
Speaker 1: telling us. So he end up he was carrying a

1684
01:33:45,479 --> 01:33:49,479
Speaker 1: gun sometimes it was a twenty two when he clapped,

1685
01:33:49,680 --> 01:33:54,559
Speaker 1: when he clapped, ben Um, they got into it outside

1686
01:33:54,600 --> 01:33:59,439
Speaker 1: of a store, literally bumped into him and being you know,

1687
01:34:00,120 --> 01:34:03,960
Speaker 1: like man, whatever this and that Bob and dude little

1688
01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:07,800
Speaker 1: man just let it rip. But that's not how he died.

1689
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:10,880
Speaker 1: He died because he was left on the gurney in

1690
01:34:10,920 --> 01:34:15,719
Speaker 1: the hospital. So what happened is trauma units weren't existing

1691
01:34:15,760 --> 01:34:19,000
Speaker 1: at the time. So the bigger cause, the bigger thing

1692
01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:22,320
Speaker 1: taken away from his death is the advent of trauma

1693
01:34:22,439 --> 01:34:27,439
Speaker 1: units in Chicago. There weren't any. He died because he

1694
01:34:27,520 --> 01:34:31,280
Speaker 1: was missed, he was neglected. He didn't die from the gunshop.

1695
01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:34,439
Speaker 1: He bled to death from the neglect of care. They

1696
01:34:34,439 --> 01:34:37,960
Speaker 1: took him to a local clinic like thing, and he

1697
01:34:38,360 --> 01:34:42,160
Speaker 1: bled to death or died as a consequence of the

1698
01:34:42,439 --> 01:34:48,400
Speaker 1: of negligence. So so it's not what people think. Okay,

1699
01:34:48,479 --> 01:34:53,520
Speaker 1: so you know, um, but he was. He was amazing

1700
01:34:54,320 --> 01:34:56,519
Speaker 1: And it's it's funny man. You got those stories too,

1701
01:34:56,640 --> 01:34:58,880
Speaker 1: you know, it's the gift and the cursed story of

1702
01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:01,360
Speaker 1: its greatest like a lot of those types of stories.

1703
01:35:01,400 --> 01:35:05,680
Speaker 1: Who what was the one Reggie who was Boston and

1704
01:35:05,760 --> 01:35:10,880
Speaker 1: he died coble Reggie Lewis A uh, that's in Reginald Lewis.

1705
01:35:11,640 --> 01:35:13,800
Speaker 1: But there's more than a part thing. But lambias was

1706
01:35:13,840 --> 01:35:18,760
Speaker 1: then biased than biased than biased. Yeah, that's like Hank Gathers.

1707
01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:23,800
Speaker 1: You know, there's always a nominated person in that way,

1708
01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:26,680
Speaker 1: in that way, did you guys ever hear? Probably not.

1709
01:35:26,760 --> 01:35:32,400
Speaker 1: But George Robinson was a guys No. Five star of

1710
01:35:32,439 --> 01:35:35,240
Speaker 1: course on the five star so early on in five star.

1711
01:35:35,800 --> 01:35:38,560
Speaker 1: Now he has a plaque that's dedicated to him, and

1712
01:35:38,640 --> 01:35:41,880
Speaker 1: think it still may exist, the George Robinson Award. So

1713
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:45,559
Speaker 1: he was a kid who went to school with me

1714
01:35:45,920 --> 01:35:48,720
Speaker 1: and in grade school he died, Um, I mean not

1715
01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:51,120
Speaker 1: in grade school. He died in as a high schooler

1716
01:35:51,400 --> 01:35:54,880
Speaker 1: who would have been bound for the pros. He basically died, Um,

1717
01:35:56,320 --> 01:35:59,640
Speaker 1: of pneumonia. He just died of pneumonia. He died of

1718
01:36:00,240 --> 01:36:05,360
Speaker 1: health condition related to UM like I saw him the

1719
01:36:05,439 --> 01:36:10,480
Speaker 1: day before he died. You know, he died of circumstances.

1720
01:36:10,800 --> 01:36:12,640
Speaker 1: But you know that stuff be it, be it be

1721
01:36:12,720 --> 01:36:16,680
Speaker 1: in the system for athletes, like somebody. You know, not

1722
01:36:16,840 --> 01:36:18,920
Speaker 1: everybody's gonna come back from the trip. You know what

1723
01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:21,519
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Um, we are the lucky ones or the

1724
01:36:21,560 --> 01:36:25,600
Speaker 1: blessed ones for sure. Absolutely. Uh five dinner guests that

1725
01:36:25,640 --> 01:36:31,960
Speaker 1: are alive. M M damn these tough questions, I would say, Um, dinner,

1726
01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:36,960
Speaker 1: guess I'm bad at this type of stuff, Matt five.

1727
01:36:37,080 --> 01:36:45,840
Speaker 1: Then I guess man. Uh, I'm gonna say jay Z

1728
01:36:46,640 --> 01:36:48,080
Speaker 1: because I want to chop it up with jay Z.

1729
01:36:48,160 --> 01:36:50,280
Speaker 1: Even though I probably could talk to jay Z anyway,

1730
01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:52,720
Speaker 1: but I would love to just chop it up with him,

1731
01:36:52,720 --> 01:36:57,280
Speaker 1: see how pick his brain on peculiar things that I

1732
01:36:57,320 --> 01:37:04,519
Speaker 1: have questions for. Um, I'm like, it's gonna sound like

1733
01:37:04,600 --> 01:37:07,240
Speaker 1: hip hop less really because it's like I would like

1734
01:37:07,280 --> 01:37:08,800
Speaker 1: to chop it up with like big punt. I'm a

1735
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:19,000
Speaker 1: big punk fan. I mean, I definitely want the historical figures. Uh,

1736
01:37:19,720 --> 01:37:22,559
Speaker 1: and so many come to mind. That's difficult to narrow down.

1737
01:37:23,280 --> 01:37:32,200
Speaker 1: Maybe the real actual Jimmy hendrickx. Um, that's three good.

1738
01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:36,599
Speaker 1: I'm an L L coo J fan, like I'm inspired

1739
01:37:36,600 --> 01:37:41,439
Speaker 1: by L. L coo J as a young person, So yeah,

1740
01:37:41,439 --> 01:37:44,479
Speaker 1: I love L coo J. In terms of this is

1741
01:37:44,479 --> 01:37:49,120
Speaker 1: a young l L was very inspirational, UM and l

1742
01:37:49,240 --> 01:37:52,280
Speaker 1: L in general. But when I was young and and

1743
01:37:52,400 --> 01:37:56,720
Speaker 1: watching Young l L, it was very inspirational. Tossa. But

1744
01:37:56,760 --> 01:38:00,400
Speaker 1: I guess I'll say, um, Bob Marley, but I was

1745
01:38:00,439 --> 01:38:03,040
Speaker 1: talking up Richard pryor Bart. I want to sit down

1746
01:38:03,040 --> 01:38:06,200
Speaker 1: with these cats and just talking. But yeah, would you

1747
01:38:06,439 --> 01:38:09,000
Speaker 1: ever want to expand your career outside of acting? It's

1748
01:38:09,040 --> 01:38:14,240
Speaker 1: not directing, definitely, I'm already doing that. Yeah, Um produce

1749
01:38:14,280 --> 01:38:16,439
Speaker 1: some things you may have seen actually next day air

1750
01:38:16,880 --> 01:38:23,040
Speaker 1: one of them. But um, definitely directing. Talk to fifty

1751
01:38:23,080 --> 01:38:25,719
Speaker 1: about directing some of his some of the episodices of power,

1752
01:38:26,400 --> 01:38:29,360
Speaker 1: so that may happen. Um, and even outside of that,

1753
01:38:29,600 --> 01:38:33,280
Speaker 1: just to do other things in general, just to put

1754
01:38:33,280 --> 01:38:35,479
Speaker 1: a magnifying lens on Like I was telling you all

1755
01:38:35,479 --> 01:38:38,640
Speaker 1: about going and doing them. I mean, I'm gonna I'm

1756
01:38:38,640 --> 01:38:42,240
Speaker 1: gonna make that a series to watch at least a

1757
01:38:42,280 --> 01:38:44,679
Speaker 1: six part thing in terms of going to the prisons

1758
01:38:45,439 --> 01:38:51,400
Speaker 1: engaging with the inmate theater. Well, again, the lowest recidivism

1759
01:38:51,479 --> 01:38:55,479
Speaker 1: rates among the people who involve themselves with theater in prison,

1760
01:38:55,520 --> 01:38:58,160
Speaker 1: which is amazing if you really think about it. So, yeah,

1761
01:38:58,160 --> 01:39:04,880
Speaker 1: I'm I'm going with San quentin Um likely to start

1762
01:39:04,920 --> 01:39:09,120
Speaker 1: there and yeah, shoot shoot that out as like a

1763
01:39:09,120 --> 01:39:13,240
Speaker 1: little episodic, don't Yeah, uh you plus four in the

1764
01:39:13,280 --> 01:39:21,120
Speaker 1: black top? Anybody? Oh? Man four? All right? Jeez man,

1765
01:39:21,160 --> 01:39:22,760
Speaker 1: who do I like to play with? That's really what

1766
01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:26,519
Speaker 1: that's about. You know, I woulda say me, I'm just

1767
01:39:26,560 --> 01:39:28,240
Speaker 1: gonna be the shooting guard, but I can miss everything

1768
01:39:28,240 --> 01:39:29,880
Speaker 1: because I'm gonna make the team straight, so I can

1769
01:39:29,920 --> 01:39:32,760
Speaker 1: miss everything. But we got Jason Kidd because I just

1770
01:39:32,800 --> 01:39:34,560
Speaker 1: want to see how he plays. Jason Kidd. I was

1771
01:39:34,680 --> 01:39:36,080
Speaker 1: a person with Jason Kid. I think would be a

1772
01:39:36,080 --> 01:39:38,160
Speaker 1: different experience play on the court with Jason Kidd. I

1773
01:39:38,160 --> 01:39:40,000
Speaker 1: know I can get some open layups because he'd be great.

1774
01:39:40,040 --> 01:39:42,400
Speaker 1: I know, I know, manne a couple of buckets, but

1775
01:39:42,400 --> 01:39:44,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be He's want to be a two with

1776
01:39:44,680 --> 01:39:46,760
Speaker 1: me and I can miss though, I can miss, So

1777
01:39:47,800 --> 01:39:49,519
Speaker 1: it's gonna be an our little group, but as a

1778
01:39:49,600 --> 01:39:52,200
Speaker 1: motley crew because I kind of like Rashi Whilace on

1779
01:39:52,240 --> 01:39:56,280
Speaker 1: my squad. Why not, you know what I'm saying, I

1780
01:39:56,360 --> 01:39:59,679
Speaker 1: might need somebod own events because he might. He gonna

1781
01:39:59,680 --> 01:40:01,880
Speaker 1: get it, He's gonna get checked out. But I like

1782
01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:04,600
Speaker 1: Raschi Wallace to be on my squad. He could hit

1783
01:40:04,640 --> 01:40:08,160
Speaker 1: the outside jumper, tough enough, tough on the inside. I

1784
01:40:08,200 --> 01:40:13,880
Speaker 1: can't get anybody on this on my team. Man, I

1785
01:40:13,960 --> 01:40:16,760
Speaker 1: made myself too. I'm gonna have to take myself off

1786
01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:20,320
Speaker 1: this team and coach, firing myself off this month. You

1787
01:40:20,320 --> 01:40:24,519
Speaker 1: can coach coaching. I gotta hoop, gotta gotta this. You

1788
01:40:24,680 --> 01:40:27,240
Speaker 1: plus four. I should probably made Mike the two and

1789
01:40:27,880 --> 01:40:29,280
Speaker 1: I could have been the one because I gotta do

1790
01:40:29,280 --> 01:40:32,599
Speaker 1: is get a rock up. I'm gonna do that. I'm

1791
01:40:32,600 --> 01:40:35,640
Speaker 1: gonna change it. I don't change it. I'm gonna change it.

1792
01:40:35,720 --> 01:40:36,800
Speaker 1: So I'll be the one. I'll be the one. I

1793
01:40:36,880 --> 01:40:39,080
Speaker 1: be the one. I might get the two. I still

1794
01:40:39,120 --> 01:40:42,439
Speaker 1: got Rashid. I can't do Jason kids like that. I'm

1795
01:40:42,479 --> 01:40:44,920
Speaker 1: gonna go back. I got Mike, Mike and just be Mike.

1796
01:40:45,200 --> 01:40:50,920
Speaker 1: So it's me, Mike, Jason, Rashid and shock. Oh, that's dope,

1797
01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:53,240
Speaker 1: it'd be fun. I know I'm get some buckets. Everybody.

1798
01:40:53,320 --> 01:40:55,960
Speaker 1: We actually win some games without me participate. All I

1799
01:40:56,080 --> 01:40:58,920
Speaker 1: do is say my energy for defense. We're already gonna

1800
01:40:58,920 --> 01:41:01,679
Speaker 1: know what's gonna happen if y'all don't in the bag.

1801
01:41:02,040 --> 01:41:06,479
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, But playing with somebody like Jason Kidd or

1802
01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:10,599
Speaker 1: Rondo or like that type of golf three CP three,

1803
01:41:10,680 --> 01:41:12,599
Speaker 1: I know I'm gonna get a bucket running line though.

1804
01:41:12,920 --> 01:41:14,439
Speaker 1: I know I can listen to. I know they run

1805
01:41:14,479 --> 01:41:19,960
Speaker 1: those like he's those dudes tough man. Yeah, Mayah, they're

1806
01:41:19,960 --> 01:41:25,160
Speaker 1: basketball Jesus extreme. Yeah. This last question, I just remember

1807
01:41:25,560 --> 01:41:27,960
Speaker 1: before I ask you this question, you have to help

1808
01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:30,640
Speaker 1: me with your answer. Okay, you have to help us

1809
01:41:30,640 --> 01:41:33,200
Speaker 1: with your Who do you want to see on All

1810
01:41:33,200 --> 01:41:38,519
Speaker 1: the Smoke? Snap? Who do you want to see on

1811
01:41:38,560 --> 01:41:41,759
Speaker 1: the show? Help you with? Mike been on here my gaps?

1812
01:41:42,240 --> 01:41:52,080
Speaker 1: M h that's a good yeah, Mike apps see what.

1813
01:41:52,320 --> 01:42:00,280
Speaker 1: We appreciate you, man, appreciate you. All over West with

1814
01:42:00,479 --> 01:42:03,360
Speaker 1: Harris is going to start working on that here. Yep,

1815
01:42:03,560 --> 01:42:06,799
Speaker 1: that's a rat man. All the Smoke with Harris, Thank you, James,

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01:42:07,200 --> 01:42:10,920
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