Speaker 1: On this episode of the News World, Who needs a
Speaker 1: deep state when academia, big banks, corporations, and the healthcare
Speaker 1: system are willing to do what the deep state camp.
Speaker 1: Now that the Democrats are out of power in the
Speaker 1: White House in Congress, they are mobilizing in the shadows,
Speaker 1: working to make sure an election like twenty twenty four
Speaker 1: never happens again. In his new book, They're Coming for You,
Speaker 1: Jason Schaffitz reveals how Democrats have been planning the seeds
Speaker 1: of political control using unelected institutions that collect and weaponize
Speaker 1: private information. They're Coming for You reveals the frightening truth
Speaker 1: about these institutions and how they collect, buy, sell, and
Speaker 1: share our data without regard for our privacy, our civil liberties,
Speaker 1: or national security. Republican political victories will ring hollow until
Speaker 1: this bureaucratic partnership with the nonprofit and private sectors is
Speaker 1: exposed and the power of the administrative state checked. Here
Speaker 1: to talk about his new book, I'm really pleased to
Speaker 1: welcome my guest and good friend, Jason Shafts. He served
Speaker 1: as congressman for Utah's third Congressional District from two thousand
Speaker 1: and nine to twenty seventeen. And he is currently a
Speaker 1: Fox News contributor. He also hosts the Jason in the
Speaker 1: House podcast. He previously served as chief of staff in
Speaker 1: the Utah Governor's Office. Jason, welcome and thank you for
Speaker 1: joining me on News World.
Speaker 2: Oh, mister speaker, honored is always to be with you.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: It's interesting you are the only member of your two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight freshman class to put the House Oversight
Speaker 1: Committee as your first choice. Why did you pick House
Speaker 1: Oversight as your most important assignment?
Speaker 2: You know, back then it wasn't quite as popular, but
Speaker 2: in understanding the history and reading about it, what I
Speaker 2: figured out is that there had no bounds to their jurisdiction.
Speaker 2: You could dive into anything and everything. And it was
Speaker 2: also the committee when Abraham Lincoln came to Congress, who
Speaker 2: was known under a different name, but this is the
Speaker 2: committee that he was on, and it's a fascinating history
Speaker 2: of what he did. And so I just figured, you
Speaker 2: know what, until there's accountability, until you expose what's actually
Speaker 2: going on there, you're never going to move the meter.
Speaker 2: And that's what attracted it to me. And now it's
Speaker 2: one of the most, if not the most popular committee
Speaker 2: for new members to try to get on.
Speaker 1: How did you see the job of that committee while
Speaker 1: you were there?
Speaker 2: John Bahner was our leader and then speaker. I remember
Speaker 2: him telling us something. It was very profound. He said,
Speaker 2: you know, you've got a great business card. You can
Speaker 2: talk to anybody, but don't assume somebody else is working
Speaker 2: on it. If you want to dive into it, dive
Speaker 2: into it. And that really rang true to me. And
Speaker 2: so I was just a kid in the candy store.
Speaker 2: I could see these things going wrong. The very first
Speaker 2: thing I jumped into was Barack Obama and I got
Speaker 2: elected at the same time. One of the very first
Speaker 2: things Ina did in his first week is the spent
Speaker 2: brass from our military when they do training. He got
Speaker 2: rid of that recycling program. I'm like, what democrat gets
Speaker 2: rid of a recycling program? And so I started to
Speaker 2: dive into it. And it was because he wanted to
Speaker 2: drive up the price of ammunition. And he wasn't wrong
Speaker 2: because he did have that effect. But that was the
Speaker 2: first piece of legislation I drafted, the first letters I sent.
Speaker 2: He changed it a few weeks later once it was exposed,
Speaker 2: and I thought, wow, Okay, this is fun. Let's just
Speaker 2: keep going you know, I dove into everything from Fast
Speaker 2: and Furious to Benghazi. I was the first member of
Speaker 2: Congress who go to Libya to try to sort that
Speaker 2: that mess the IRS targeting, and which you realize is
Speaker 2: that the deep state is very real, It's very pervasive,
Speaker 2: and unless you expose it, you'll never fix it.
Speaker 1: Given that you want to Libya, what is your take
Speaker 1: on that whole experience and what happened there.
Speaker 2: I was there on the ground. They wouldn't let me
Speaker 2: into Benghazi, but they did let me into Tripoli. Very
Speaker 2: difficult to get in there, very scary to get in there.
Speaker 2: What I found was people that were there on the
Speaker 2: ground were in part the people in Benghazi in part
Speaker 2: the people that were there in TRIPLEI. And they were frightened,
Speaker 2: they were scared, they had tears in their eyes. And
Speaker 2: what I realized is that Susan Rice and Hillary Clinton
Speaker 2: and Barack Obama and Joe Biden and like I said,
Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton, they were all lying to the American people.
Speaker 2: It was a total fabrication. And people that were there
Speaker 2: on the ground who were believe me not conservative Republicans,
Speaker 2: were so highly offended. And I thought, Who's going to
Speaker 2: expose the truth here, and I fought that for years
Speaker 2: and I still fighting to get all the truth out there.
Speaker 2: But what we were doing, how we were doing it,
Speaker 2: how we were part of the problem. I thought everybody
Speaker 2: you could possibly imagine to try to get the truth
Speaker 2: out and I think we made it, had a good
Speaker 2: deal of progress, but they still think there's more to expose.
Speaker 1: I think it's important for people to understand that one
Speaker 1: of the great things about House oversight is it really
Speaker 1: lets you dig into how government actually works and a
Speaker 1: lot of things that on the surface may not be obvious,
Speaker 1: but as you dig into them, you learn things. And
Speaker 1: one of the things that you did it I think
Speaker 1: is extraordinarily important. You argue that President Biden's Executive Order
Speaker 1: fourteen oh one nine allows third party organizations to register voters,
Speaker 1: and I think you correctly identify this as potentially very dangerous.
Speaker 1: But could you explain why you think that particular executive
Speaker 1: order is such a threat.
Speaker 2: So in March, after President Biden is put into office,
Speaker 2: he comes out with this executive order, and I kick
Speaker 2: off the book about how he brought in all these
Speaker 2: outside groups. And on the surface, you think, oh, it's
Speaker 2: register people to vote. That sounds great, except it's not
Speaker 2: the role of the federal government. But what Biden in
Speaker 2: his scronies did is he weaponized it. He took, for instance,
Speaker 2: small business administration, he took the US Marshals, he took
Speaker 2: the Housing and Urban Development and basically took all those
Speaker 2: physical facilities the federal employees.
Speaker 1: And then they.
Speaker 2: Targeted Democratic strongholds to try to maximize voter turnout and
Speaker 2: voter registration. And they spent millions of dollars. It was
Speaker 2: not a concerted effort to get everybody to register. They
Speaker 2: for instance, went after people who were incarcerated, and that's
Speaker 2: where the US Marshals changed over six hundred rules, six
Speaker 2: hundred rule changes to make sure that everybody could get
Speaker 2: their information. There's another thing that happened. It was started
Speaker 2: to target doctors. It's called vote er. This is one
Speaker 2: of the most offensive things I found out is this doctor,
Speaker 2: Alistair Martin, decided to get this network of doctors. And
Speaker 2: what they ended up doing is they expanded to fifty
Speaker 2: thousand physicians in more than seven hundred hospitals. It was
Speaker 2: funded by the Tides Foundation, Open Society Foundation, Bill and
Speaker 2: Melinda Gates Foundation, and they just bypassed all the hippo laws,
Speaker 2: and these doctors were going around to their patients, including
Speaker 2: psychiatric clinics, and going to psychiatric patients and their doctor
Speaker 2: would know whether or not they were registered to vote. Well,
Speaker 2: mister speaker, once you figure out that somebody is registered,
Speaker 2: is it registered? Imagine you're in the hospital room and
Speaker 2: the doctor has this information and gets you to register.
Speaker 2: Then you have all that person's data. And once you
Speaker 2: have all that data, then you can target them. And
Speaker 2: what they ended up doing, like for instance, in Kansas
Speaker 2: with the abortion referendum, they said sixty five thousand texts
Speaker 2: to patients that were in the medical system, all one
Speaker 2: sided because Biden said, hey, we're not going to afforce
Speaker 2: that law. It was just pervasive and there's nothing more
Speaker 2: disgusting than that violating somebody's personal private See, what are
Speaker 2: you going to do. You're in the hospital, you're probably
Speaker 2: under medication, you're not allowed to drive, but you are
Speaker 2: allowed to register to vote and to vote, and they
Speaker 2: know who you are.
Speaker 1: It's scary stuff, you know, and it's not just in medicine,
Speaker 1: but also, as you point out, and you really did
Speaker 1: a lot of research for this. The Education Secretary five
Speaker 1: months before the election, sent a mass email to student
Speaker 1: loan borrowers just sort of pumping up the importance of
Speaker 1: the Biden Harris administration. I mean, are these things basically
Speaker 1: this campaigning with tax paid money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what it is. We don't even know the
Speaker 2: total number of millions of dollars. But Executive Order one
Speaker 2: four zero one nine was an executive order to leverage
Speaker 2: everybody in federal government, all the departments, all the agencies.
Speaker 2: They would take, for instance, three thousand housing in urban
Speaker 2: development locations and use those as voter registration facilities. Do
Speaker 2: you think they were out there registering Republicans. No, Small
Speaker 2: Business administration was going into twenty five of the twenty
Speaker 2: eight Democratic counties that they had targeted to register people
Speaker 2: to vote. They went after Native Americans and did this.
Speaker 2: And as far as kids, we spent a lot about
Speaker 2: how they target kids and manipulate kids. For instance, you
Speaker 2: about computers to some people in for instance in California,
Speaker 2: and if you're a parent, you could save one thousand
Speaker 2: dollars because your school hands you a chromebook from Google.
Speaker 2: Sounds good, right, except all that data, all that information
Speaker 2: they get to keep. And one of the things that
Speaker 2: is stunning to me is how much the government is
Speaker 2: selling their data, buying data. So we have rules, we
Speaker 2: have laws against law enforcement. You have to have probable cause,
Speaker 2: you have to go get a warrant, you have to
Speaker 2: have articulable suspicion. But in order to get around that,
Speaker 2: what these departments and agents, he's not just the FBI
Speaker 2: trying to find a bad guy. They will buy the
Speaker 2: data and then once they buy the data, they feel
Speaker 2: like it's free gate. And let me give you one
Speaker 2: other quick example. You're in Florida, for instance, and you
Speaker 2: got a driver's license. Let's say your sixteen year old
Speaker 2: daughter got a driver's license. It'll show name, address, telephone number, height, weight,
Speaker 2: eye color, whether or not she wears glasses. Of Florida
Speaker 2: was selling that information and making money of it.
Speaker 1: You point out from a Republican standpoint, one of the
Speaker 1: reasons to be very worried about federal employees getting involved
Speaker 1: is that in twenty sixteen, for example, ninety five percent
Speaker 1: of federal employee donations went to Hillary Clinton. Ninety five percent.
Speaker 2: That's exactly right.
Speaker 1: So it strikes me that to think that the bureaucracy
Speaker 1: is even handed is a fantasy.
Speaker 2: Well they're not even handed, but they're taking the information.
Speaker 2: And it started with Operation Choke Point with Barack Obama,
Speaker 2: but it continued on with the Federal Reserve. Federal Reserve
Speaker 2: literally in the last couple of days said they were
Speaker 2: not going to look at reputational risk when evaluating a
Speaker 2: bank or credit union. So imagine a bank or credit union.
Speaker 2: You're not in business unless the Federal Reserve gives you
Speaker 2: the stamp of approval. And what they looked at is
Speaker 2: under reputational risk is if you shopped at Cabella's, you
Speaker 2: were probably a conservative because you may have purchased a gun,
Speaker 2: you maybe bought a Maga hat. Then you are increasing
Speaker 2: your reputational risk. They debanked Milania Trump, Baron Trump. They
Speaker 2: went after the ag sector. The meat producers were having
Speaker 2: a hard time participating in the banking system and in
Speaker 2: some cases being charged higher rates. All of these things
Speaker 2: came into play. Even automobiles. You know, your automobile of
Speaker 2: today is a rolling computer, and they're capturing all this information.
Speaker 2: What radio station you're listening to, how often you look
Speaker 2: in the rear view mirror, what speed are you traveling,
Speaker 2: how many people in the car, where you're going where
Speaker 2: you're stopping. All of this data is then collected and
Speaker 2: it is sold.
Speaker 1: You also make the point that you have private sector
Speaker 1: allies of the government bureaucracy. And one of the cases
Speaker 1: you cite, which is I think amazing, was that the
Speaker 1: Bank of America closed the account of a Christian nonprofit
Speaker 1: without any warning that. The Timothy Too Project is a
Speaker 1: Christian nonprofit ministry established a trained pastors around the world
Speaker 1: and has workshops on like sixty five countries. But all
Speaker 1: of a sudden in twenty twenty, the founder gets a
Speaker 1: letter from Bank of America, even though he's been doing
Speaker 1: business with him for nine years, and they said, you know,
Speaker 1: your bank accounts now being closed.
Speaker 2: That's why I said they're coming for you. Don't think
Speaker 2: they're not looking at it. And what they're looking at
Speaker 2: is not only who the depositors are, but any checks
Speaker 2: that are being written and making these arbitrary and always
Speaker 2: going in favor of these woke ideologies and against conservatives,
Speaker 2: saying we just don't want to do business. You're too risky,
Speaker 2: too risky, I mean, in this case, they had been
Speaker 2: a responsible citizen in their communities, you know. But remember
Speaker 2: and I know you remember this well, but it was
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris herself as Senator going after the Knights of
Speaker 2: Columbus affiliation of potential judges, saying no, if you're a
Speaker 2: religious Catholic or religious zealot, then you shouldn't be on
Speaker 2: the bench. You know that was out there in the
Speaker 2: public to see. But what you're not seeing as much
Speaker 2: is behind the scenes, you're being charged different rates. So,
Speaker 2: for instance, in California, if you get a speeding ticket,
Speaker 2: depending on a variety of factors, including your wealth, you
Speaker 2: pay a different rate than somebody else who sped through
Speaker 2: the same neighborhood, who has more favorable connections to more
Speaker 2: liberal organizations and bank accounts. That's how crazy this has gotten.
Speaker 1: The numbers are amazing that in our fifty biggest cities
Speaker 1: there are five hundred and thirty seven thousand cameras that
Speaker 1: monitor about eleven cameras per thousand people. I didn't realize
Speaker 1: Atlanta has the most, has one hundred and twenty four
Speaker 1: cameras per thousand, Washington has fifty five thousand, Philadelphia's thirty
Speaker 1: per thousand. I mean, you know, you make the argument
Speaker 1: that when you're tracking a criminal, you're tracking a terrorist,
Speaker 1: These are great assets. On the the other side, that
Speaker 1: means virtually every American is somewhere on record as they
Speaker 1: walk around, or as they drive or whatever. I mean.
Speaker 1: Isn't that an astounding shift from the world of twenty
Speaker 1: or thirty years ago.
Speaker 2: Yes, you know in the movies it looks great, right,
Speaker 2: and if you're chasing a would be kidnapper or bankropper
Speaker 2: or it sounds great. But you know, we don't collect
Speaker 2: somebody's DNA or fingerprints when they're born because you have
Speaker 2: it right, I would argue a right to privacy. And
Speaker 2: the scary thing is there's a company out there, for instance,
Speaker 2: called the Clearview AI. But I'm not saying they did
Speaker 2: anything illegal, but they have hundreds of billions of photos
Speaker 2: at this point, and what they're able to do is
Speaker 2: match those photos. What they do is they scrape the Internet.
Speaker 2: And what I mean by scraping is anytime you post
Speaker 2: something up, if it's on Venmo, if you have a
Speaker 2: Venmo account, has your picture on it. If you have
Speaker 2: a Costco card, it's got a picture on it. If
Speaker 2: you have social media, if you're on Facebook, if you're
Speaker 2: on Instagram, your driver's license, all of this stuff all
Speaker 2: of those photos get pushed into a file on you
Speaker 2: so that when you walk down the street of Atlanta
Speaker 2: can tell in real time that's you. And we tell
Speaker 2: the story of some MIT kids who spent less than
Speaker 2: two hundred dollars and through artificial intelligence and the processing,
Speaker 2: they can wear a pair of glasses metas starting to
Speaker 2: get in this business ray bands. In this business, they
Speaker 2: can walk down the street and see a young woman
Speaker 2: and say it was just a second for that computer
Speaker 2: to kick in and say, oh that's Caroline. Caroline, Hi,
Speaker 2: how are you? And then her bios you're scrolling through
Speaker 2: your glasses and say, hey, you take that chemistry class
Speaker 2: at Emerson don't you? And you went to that Alabama
Speaker 2: football game, didn't you? I saw you there. They tell
Speaker 2: this real life example and posted YouTube videos on how
Speaker 2: they could do this in real time for less than
Speaker 2: two hundred dollars. That's where the world is going and
Speaker 2: it's not a world I want to live in.
Speaker 1: And to make it worse, when the federal government gathers
Speaker 1: up all this data it originally has proven it can't
Speaker 1: keep it. I mean, those are twenty fifteen data breach
Speaker 1: at the Office of Personnel Management Hacker's got background information
Speaker 1: on twenty one million, five hundred thousand people, including fingerprints
Speaker 1: on five point six million. Apparently I didn't know this.
Speaker 1: This is where your book is so valuable. In the
Speaker 1: decade between twenty ten and twenty twenty, the Government Accountability
Speaker 1: Office made thirty three hundred recommendations to government agencies to
Speaker 1: remedy cybersecurity gap, and hundreds of them were never implemented.
Speaker 2: Yeah, federal government blester heart. I just don't trust them
Speaker 2: because they gather all this information. It's just a reality.
Speaker 2: They're not going to hire the best talent, they don't
Speaker 2: have the revenue to do it or the expertise, and
Speaker 2: so multiple times are data has been breached. There was
Speaker 2: one of the most nefarious was everybody who had a
Speaker 2: security clearance. Can you imagine how valuable that is to
Speaker 2: the Chinese and others on understanding every security clearance is
Speaker 2: out there and who they are, and then they can
Speaker 2: track you. We talk in the book about cell phone simulators.
Speaker 2: One of the brand names of one of theirs is
Speaker 2: called a sting Ray. So I even did hearings about
Speaker 2: this when I was in Congress, and that was, you know,
Speaker 2: like ten years ago, and what these cell phone simulators
Speaker 2: can do is they can tell every scoop up every
Speaker 2: telephone number within a radius of wherever this machine is. So,
Speaker 2: for instance, the IRS had four of them. But now
Speaker 2: you can go to a data broker, which is a
Speaker 2: nearly four hundred billion dollar a year industry, and I
Speaker 2: can take Newt Gingrich's home address and I can buy
Speaker 2: a report that says, tell me every phone number that
Speaker 2: came within one hundred yards of that address over the
Speaker 2: last I don't know, two months, and I can buy
Speaker 2: that right now here today. Where is that in my
Speaker 2: contract with Verizon? I never saw that. But you can
Speaker 2: do it, and it's happening. And imagine how bad that
Speaker 2: is if you're an ICE officer putting your life on
Speaker 2: the line and what these yahoos are trying to do
Speaker 2: to those people, or maybe you're the Cineloa drug cartell
Speaker 2: and you're trying to figure out who the DEA officers are.
Speaker 2: People need to know this is happening.
Speaker 1: Isn't that really one of the great dangers that if
Speaker 1: you're an ICE officer and you're in the middle of
Speaker 1: deporting criminals, that you and your family are at real risk.
Speaker 1: And that's why they normally wear a mask because when
Speaker 1: there's a genuine risk that the cartels will not just
Speaker 1: go after them, but they'll go after their families.
Speaker 2: And that's why they have to use phones that they
Speaker 2: leave at different locations. They got to not take them
Speaker 2: to their home. They come up with their fully masked
Speaker 2: up because again, facial recognition, once they get that face,
Speaker 2: then they can do a whole lot with it. It again.
Speaker 2: It Yes, the reason the book's called They're Coming for
Speaker 2: You is it's everybody that they're trying to just do.
Speaker 2: They have the ability. There are people that are studying
Speaker 2: your gait, how you walk, doing facial recognition. They think
Speaker 2: they can with an eighty percent confidence tell whether or
Speaker 2: not you're straight or gay, whether you're conservative or liberal,
Speaker 2: and they're using that to manipulate elections. So when you
Speaker 2: combine that with deep bakes, which is going to be
Speaker 2: a huge problem not just for politics, but for young
Speaker 2: people and how they get manipulated and bullied at school.
Speaker 2: It's a world that is right here on our doorstep,
Speaker 2: and we better deal with it.
Speaker 1: What should Congress be doing to ensure First Amendment rights
Speaker 1: and privacy rights in this world of overwhelming data?
Speaker 2: I think Congress needs to do a couple things. One
Speaker 2: is I think you, as an American, particularly as a child,
Speaker 2: have the right to be forgotten. For instance, we allow
Speaker 2: in this nation, based on federal legislation, a thirteen year
Speaker 2: old can enter into a contract with a social media company.
Speaker 2: But what if you wanted to get out of that contract.
Speaker 2: I don't know of any other contract than the world
Speaker 2: where once you enter it, you can never leave because
Speaker 2: the Googles of the world will continue to buy that information,
Speaker 2: or I should say, sell that information and be able
Speaker 2: to track you the rest of your life. And I
Speaker 2: think at some point, where is the consideration for the
Speaker 2: person who says, I don't want to be tracked anymore.
Speaker 2: I don't want my photo out there. I gave it
Speaker 2: to you so I get to have some convenience in
Speaker 2: my life. But now I've gone past that point, and
Speaker 2: I don't don't want you to continue to sell my data.
Speaker 2: You know, we all have those stories about gosh. I
Speaker 2: was talking to my neighbor about a couch, and now
Speaker 2: everything on my social media feed is about couches.
Speaker 1: Even in your car. They're listening to.
Speaker 2: You when we talk about vehicles. It is exactly that
Speaker 2: what are you listening to, what are you talking about?
Speaker 2: What direction are you heading? Do you fully stop for
Speaker 2: right hand turns or left hand turns? It's all in there.
Speaker 1: And I think Tashla, for example, which is really an
Speaker 1: information company that happens to have cars, I think they
Speaker 1: have you know, now, trillions of bits of data about
Speaker 1: how you drive, how you turn, how fast you go,
Speaker 1: where have you been. You can literally reconstruct almost anybody
Speaker 1: off of the track of their car.
Speaker 2: Congress. I think there can also be compulsion so that
Speaker 2: companies who are dealing and traversing in data have to
Speaker 2: fully disclose in a simple ease it or easy to understand.
Speaker 2: This is what we do and do not do with
Speaker 2: your data, and there need to be severe penalties for
Speaker 2: those who bypassed that. But much like what they did
Speaker 2: food labeling laws, so I could tell how much sugar
Speaker 2: is in a soda or so much sugar is in
Speaker 2: my food, they could do almost like a labeling law
Speaker 2: for data. But then I do think that you should
Speaker 2: be able to get out of it, and maybe when
Speaker 2: you turn eighteen your data should just be wiped clean.
Speaker 2: And if you want to enter into that as an adult,
Speaker 2: go ahead. But there are things like that, and I
Speaker 2: think the privacy aspect on the spine really has to
Speaker 2: be put into block and they need to look at
Speaker 2: how our law enforcement is doing this, because we had
Speaker 2: hearings with the FBI, and with all due respect, they
Speaker 2: were doing things against the law. Once they have the data,
Speaker 2: they're buying it and they're selling it. That's what's killing
Speaker 2: me is that they're selling my data.
Speaker 1: Should the government be blocked from selling data?
Speaker 2: I think without full disclosure or compensation, Like why should
Speaker 2: Florida be able to take my driver's license information and
Speaker 2: be able to sell that for a profit to the state.
Speaker 2: Why do they get that money? I mean, I paid
Speaker 2: to get my driver's license there. I don't live in Florida,
Speaker 2: but if I did, why should the government be able
Speaker 2: to have that as a revenue source. That's happening much
Speaker 2: more pervasively that I think Florida has now dealt with
Speaker 2: it because it was exposed through a lawsuit. That's why
Speaker 2: it's public record. But there are lots of other bits
Speaker 2: of information about you that you don't know, and I
Speaker 2: don't have the full universe, But I think Congress could
Speaker 2: compel that. I think state legislators would be smart to
Speaker 2: run legislation to understand that. Here's the thing, mister speaker,
Speaker 2: the private sector when it's public, the public government is
Speaker 2: very opaque. We don't know anything about them. Right, it's
Speaker 2: the exact opposite. The private sector should be the ones private.
Speaker 2: The public sector should be totally open. But it's not
Speaker 2: that way in our world today.
Speaker 1: One small building block has been this proposal that Milania
Speaker 1: Trump supported so strongly, to Take It Down Act, which
Speaker 1: requires that if any image of you has gone up
Speaker 1: without your permission, that you can compel the Googles of
Speaker 1: the world, meta and others to take it down within
Speaker 1: a very quick time, because apparently it's a very significant
Speaker 1: problem now with artificial intelligence and with thirteen year old
Speaker 1: girl suddenly having pictures of them nude although it's not them,
Speaker 1: but their face has been put on top of somebody
Speaker 1: else's body, and it becomes a real problem in bullying,
Speaker 1: psychological and social stress. And I thought this was a
Speaker 1: small but real building block towards creating a more civilized Internet.
Speaker 2: The first Lady's been amazing on this. The last Joint
Speaker 2: Session of Congress, they had that young woman in the audience.
Speaker 2: I guessed that the first lady that had this deep
Speaker 2: fake and her face put on the body and passed
Speaker 2: around everybody at school, and she was mocked and cajoled
Speaker 2: and contemplated doing something serious to herself as a consequence,
Speaker 2: because imagine how it's tough enough to be a teenager,
Speaker 2: let alone dealing with the Internet all the time and
Speaker 2: social media. There's got to be I think, a look
Speaker 2: at this that's different for minors. And then the First
Speaker 2: Amendment issues and the Fourth Amendment issues I think are
Speaker 2: pervasive and Congress needs to tackle this. It's not an
Speaker 2: easy answer, but the world's changing and so many of
Speaker 2: these genies are already out of the bottle. Look, that's
Speaker 2: part of the problem. Quite frankly, I supported. I'd be
Speaker 2: fascinated to where you are, mister Speaker on this, But
Speaker 2: I wanted a technology assessment that was nonpartisan, so that
Speaker 2: members of Congress could go to that group to ask
Speaker 2: them questions about how do things function. Because there's only
Speaker 2: three or four members of Congress, House and Senate they
Speaker 2: even know anything about the Internet. To have a body
Speaker 2: of expertise so they could actually ask the right questions
Speaker 2: or know what to ask would be really helpful in
Speaker 2: a bipartisan way.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you one of the proposals you've had.
Speaker 1: You proposed in twenty seventeen to move federal agencies outside
Speaker 1: of Washington, which you said would be a real opportunity
Speaker 1: to get a more representative subsection of Americans working for
Speaker 1: the government. Do you think that kind of proposal can
Speaker 1: get traction?
Speaker 2: Oh? It should, it should, it should. Look, I think
Speaker 2: there's key military and law enforcement that needs to have
Speaker 2: great proximity to the President. Do we need the Department
Speaker 2: of Transportation in DC or could that be better served
Speaker 2: in Atlanta or Los Angeles? Or maybe the Department of
Speaker 2: Interior in Salt Lake City or Denver or even Wyoming
Speaker 2: or something the Department of Agriculture. Why isn't that in
Speaker 2: Omaha or Des Moines for goodness sake? So I think
Speaker 2: setting it out the employee base, what we find particular
Speaker 2: out west. You know, I live in the Inner mount
Speaker 2: West in Utah. We're dealing with government bureaucrats who've never
Speaker 2: been out here, They've never been to the Rocky Mountains.
Speaker 2: They have no idea what our issues are. So the
Speaker 2: employee base and why should they get all the employment
Speaker 2: benefit there in the greater Washington, DC area. It just
Speaker 2: doesn't make much sense to me. I think a diverse government,
Speaker 2: and again, Department of Education. First of all, there shouldn't
Speaker 2: even be a Department of Education. But if they had
Speaker 2: to have it, have it in Florida or somewhere other
Speaker 2: than based in DC all the time. Each of the
Speaker 2: cabinet secretaries could have a small office to the approximity
Speaker 2: to the president. I get that, But the rank and file,
Speaker 2: those millions of employees spread them out.
Speaker 1: I mean, there is a degree to which this has
Speaker 1: become an imperial capital. It has one basic industry. I
Speaker 1: really want to thank you Jason for joining me. Your
Speaker 1: new book, They're Coming for You, How Deep stage spies,
Speaker 1: NGOs and woke Corporations Plan to push You out of
Speaker 1: the Economy is available now on Amazon and in bookstores everywhere.
Speaker 1: And I really appreciate you joining me to talk about it.
Speaker 2: Honor to be with you as always, mister speaker. Thank
Speaker 2: you so much. I do appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Thank you to my guest, Jason Schabits. You can get
Speaker 1: a link to buy his new book, They're Coming for You,
Speaker 1: How Deep state spies, NGOs, and woke corporations plan to
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