1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of iHeartRadio and Grimm 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: and Mild from Aaron Manky. Listener, discretion is advised. What 3 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 1: is it about a theater? It seems just about every 4 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: one of them is haunted. Every fall I embark on 5 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 1: a speaking tour of twenty to thirty cities, and nine 6 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: times out of ten the staff is eager to share 7 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: their ghost stories with me. In one theater, and sadly 8 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: I can't remember which one, I'll never forget being on 9 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 1: stage delivering my lecture to the audience when suddenly I 10 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 1: heard whispering to my left, as though someone was trying 11 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:46,599 Speaker 1: to get my attention backstage in front of this audience 12 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: of hundreds, I stopped talking and looked into the darkness 13 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 1: at the side of the stage, trying to see if 14 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: one of the texts was attempting to get my attention. 15 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: I didn't see anyone. I figured if it was important, 16 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: they would try again. Less than a minute later, I 17 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 1: heard the whisper again, except this time it was almost 18 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: directly in my ear. Imagine having such a thing happen 19 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: while you're trying to keep your cool in front of 20 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: a large audience. I did tell the story to them 21 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: during the Q and A. After I'd gotten through the 22 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: main lecture itself. Afterward, one of the staff members came 23 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: up to me and told me I was not the 24 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 1: first who had experienced the whispering ghost on stage. That 25 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 1: being said, to this day, one of the most unexplainable 26 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: experiences I have ever had took place in a theater, 27 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: an experience that defies all logic. Would you like to 28 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: know more? Of course you do. Join me, Haunted roadies 29 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: as we venture to the Cincinnati Music Hall. I'm Amy Brunei, 30 00:01:54,240 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: and this is Haunted Road in Cincinnati's Over the Rhine neighborhood. 31 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: A nearly one hundred fifty year old music hall sprawls 32 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: above a grassy, sunlit park. It's called, appropriately enough, the 33 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: Cincinnati Music Hall. The building is in the high Victorian 34 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:20,799 Speaker 1: Gothic Revival style. Its three foot thick red brick walls 35 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: and peaked roofs tower over cobblestone streets, and a streetcar 36 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: stop that sits just outside its front doors, making it 37 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: look like it belongs in another time. Inside the foyer 38 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:37,079 Speaker 1: is white, bright and airy. Huge windows let sunlight shine 39 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: on both the ground floor and the balcony. White columns 40 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: and chandeliers draw the eye upward, but visitors who do 41 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: glance down will see the original checkered flooring. According to 42 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: the Friends of the Music Hall, it's made of three 43 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:55,959 Speaker 1: types of stone, all imported from Vermont, unfading red slate, 44 00:02:56,360 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: Danby white marble, and Champlain black marble. Further into the hall, 45 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 1: visitors can drop by a number of event spaces, Corbett Tower, 46 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: which can hold three hundred people and is a popular 47 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: choice for weddings, the Ballroom, which features a stage and 48 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: an ARC's ceiling, and of course Springer Auditorium, which can 49 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: seat just over thirty five hundred people. Its chairs and 50 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: curtain are read while a fifteen hundred pound crystal chandelier 51 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: dangles from a mural on the ceiling. According to the 52 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: Friends of the Music Hall, the piece depicts the spirits 53 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: of music, literature, science and history. The title of the 54 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: mural is allegory of the arts. If a visitor were 55 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: to come to the theater when there was no performance 56 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: going on and look at the stage, they'd see a 57 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: lit ghost light. It's standard to have one in any theater. 58 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: On whisk News, Ben Bromley wrote that historically theater performers 59 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: have considered it good practice to have a light on 60 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: to keep the ghosts away, because traditionally all theaters are 61 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: considered to be haunted by default. But let's talk about 62 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Music Hall specifically. It was built over the 63 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: course of two years, beginning in eighteen seventy six. At 64 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: that time, the city didn't have a proper music hall, 65 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: but they did have a number of exposition buildings where 66 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: performances could be held. However, they had not been designed 67 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: with acoustics in mind. As rumor goes, one night, a 68 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: concert had to be delayed because the sound of rain 69 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: drumming against the tin roof was drowning out the performers. 70 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 1: So afterward, the people of Cincinnati were determined to build 71 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: a proper hall, and they chose to build it on 72 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: the site of those exposition halls, land that had previously 73 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: been used as a potter's field before their construction. This 74 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: meant that in the early eighteen hundreds, anyone who died 75 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: in Cincinnati and was too poor to afford a traditional 76 00:04:55,839 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: burial would end up there or in another field like it. Likewise, 77 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: anyone who passed away and couldn't be identified afterward would 78 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: be laid to rest in a potter's field. Additionally, the 79 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: field may have held those who died in a tragic 80 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: steamboat explosion on April twenty fifth, nineteen thirty eight, when 81 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 1: the boilers on the Moselle blew up. Roughly one hundred 82 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: fifty passengers were ripped apart in the blast, their dismembered 83 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: bodies rained down all across Cincinnati. According to Lufcadio Hearne, 84 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: writing for an American Miscellany, Eventually officials gathered all the 85 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 1: remains that they could find and buried them in a 86 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 1: potter's field, although it's unclear if it was the same 87 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: potter's field that eventually came to house the music hall. 88 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: The grounds may have also been used as a so 89 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: called pest house, a building where sick people could be 90 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: quarantined until they either recovered or died. I haven't been 91 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: able to verify that, but I do know that an 92 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: orphanage stood on the land from roughly eighteen thirty sive 93 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 1: seven to eighteen sixty one. In his book Cincinnati Murder 94 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,039 Speaker 1: and Mayhem, Roy Heiser wrote that the orphanage got its 95 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: water from a badly polluted canal. Many children grew sick 96 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: and died from the toxins in the water, and even 97 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 1: more drowned while playing in the waterway. It said that 98 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: the deceased were subsequently buried on the Orphanage grounds, and 99 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 1: from eighteen thirty two to eighteen forty nine, a cholera 100 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: outbreak swept through Cincinnati. It's been speculated that some people 101 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: who died of the disease were also laid to rest 102 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: in the same field. Altogether, it's said that thousands of 103 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: people have been buried on this stretch of land. Unsurprisingly, 104 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: many of those human remains were unearthed when construction began 105 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: for the new music Hall. In a newspaper article from 106 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: the time, reporter left Kadi O'Hearn wrote that the crews 107 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: frequently broke ground just to uncover pits of skulls, vertebrae, 108 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 1: and arm and leg bones. The friends of the music 109 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: Hall report that the teams worked with a local graveyard 110 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: to ensure that the deceased could be reburied with dignity. 111 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: This took a lot of time. Even though the new 112 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: building re used the foundations from the old Orphanage, the 113 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: construction process still took years, but finally the Cincinnati Music 114 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: Hall had its grand opening on May fourteenth, eighteen seventy eight. 115 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: The whole city celebrated. The Friends of the Music Hall 116 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: report that flags and bunting were hung all through town 117 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: and thousands poured into its walls to watch the opening 118 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: performance or to gag at other people as they pulled 119 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: up before the show. And in spite of its name, 120 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: the space hosted plenty of events that had nothing to 121 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: do with music, including expositions, boxing, and tennis matches, and 122 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: the South wing even served as a greenhouse for some time. 123 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: It was dubbed the Horticultural Wing, and it was filled 124 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: with growing plants and an air indoor waterfall. The eighteen 125 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: eighty Democratic National Convention was also held there. During the event, 126 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: Susan B. Anthony spoke on the importance of women's rights. 127 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: According to the Friends of the Music Hall, in the 128 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: midst of the festivities, the organizers borrowed a live two 129 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: foot long alligator from the Cincinnati Zoo. Apparently they thought 130 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: it would look striking sitting near the Horticultural Wings waterfall. Alarmingly, 131 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: the alligator disappeared during the event. Nobody knew if it 132 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: had wandered off on its own, or if someone had 133 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: stolen it to keep it as an exotic pet. The 134 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: mystery was solved a year and a half later when 135 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: a gas fitter was working in the hall only to 136 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: find himself face to face with the aggressive, very hungry alligator. 137 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: It was still alive and had grown another foot during 138 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: the time that it was loose. Luckily, the animal was 139 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: recaptured without incident. It lived out the rest of its 140 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: days back in the zoo. Just four years after the convention, 141 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Music Hall hosted a different kind of political event, 142 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: an informal town forum. After an infamous murder case led 143 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 1: to an unpopular court ruling, a group of Cincinnati citizens 144 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: gathered in the auditorium to express their frustrations. On March 145 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: twenty eighth, eighteen eighty four, as tempers burned hotter, a 146 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 1: riot broke out. A group of angry citizens stormed the courthouse, 147 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: and by the next day it had burned to the ground. 148 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: Before the violence had run its course, fifty six people 149 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: had died and another three hundred were injured. In nineteen eighteen, 150 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: another tragedy struck and the Cincinnati Music Hall had to 151 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: serve as a makeshift hospital during a flu pandemic. But 152 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: for most of its years of operation, the facility was 153 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: a hub for artistic performances, conferences, and exhibitions. Pavati, Ella, Fitzgerald, 154 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 1: Frank Sinatra, and Bruce Springsteen all had shows there, and 155 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: numerous presidents, including US Lissi's s Grant, Theodore Roosevelt, and 156 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: Barack Obama attended as guests. Still, the music Hall's dark 157 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: history had a way of rearing its ugly head repeatedly. 158 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:15,719 Speaker 1: During a renovation in February of nineteen twenty seven, construction 159 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: workers uncovered three graves and headstones on the grounds. Unfortunately, 160 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: a snowstorm struck before the bodies could be disinterred and relocated, 161 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: and when officials returned to the site later, some bones 162 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: had gone missing. When the Friends of the music Hall 163 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: reported on the incident, they claimed that souvenir hunters had 164 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: taken a skull and two pelvic bones. They also said 165 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 1: the remains that hadn't been stolen were reburied not in 166 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: a graveyard, but in the music Hall's new elevator shaft. 167 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: That same year, another construction team uncovered sixty five graves 168 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: while excavating under the south wing. There were so many 169 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: remains the workers called the site the Valley of Death. 170 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 1: Even more of these bones were stolen before the deceased 171 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: could be reburied, and once more, instead of moving them 172 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 1: to a traditional graveyard, the bones were put back into 173 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: the ground beneath the Music Hall, not too far from 174 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: where they'd first been found. More bones were uncovered during 175 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: another renovation in May of nineteen eighty eight. According to 176 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 1: Greg Hand of Cincinnati Magazine, there were so many altogether 177 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: they weighed two hundred and seven pounds, not counting the 178 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: block of concrete they were found inside of. And in 179 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, even more remains were unearthed. Some were under 180 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: the orchestra pit and others were in the North carriageway. 181 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: This time around, they were reburied in a graveyard, according 182 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: to the Friends of the Cincinnati Musical But even after 183 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: these remains were laid back to rest, from the sound 184 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: of it, their spirits were unwilling or unable to move on. 185 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: The Cincinnati Music Hall has a reputation for being incredibly haunted, 186 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: and some reports go back to before it was even built. 187 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: In Lafcadio Hearn's article The Restless Dead concerning haunted houses, 188 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: he reported on one night watchman he worked in the 189 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: old exhibition halls that had once stood on the same 190 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: plot of land. When he was alone there after dark, 191 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: he heard disembodied footsteps, fists tapping on the ceilings, and 192 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: the unmistakable sound of bodies being dragged across the floor. 193 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 1: The watchman always investigated the noises, but he could never 194 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: find their source. Even after he heard objects tumble to 195 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 1: the ground or glass shatter, he'd search every inch of 196 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: the building to find nothing was broken or out of place. 197 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: He brought his dogs with him to his shifts, but 198 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: they were no help. Sometimes they'd refuse to even come inside. 199 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: On the occasions when he could get them through the doors, 200 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 1: they'd whimper in terror and stay close to him, too 201 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: frightened to sniff out the strange disturbances. Interestingly enough, the 202 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: night watchman didn't quit his job. As the years went on, 203 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: he became used to the spectral activity. He got to 204 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 1: a point where it didn't scare him anymore. With one exception, 205 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: he still felt a chill each time he went out 206 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 1: on patrols, only to hear a second set of footsteps 207 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: following him in the dark. Occasionally, the invisible figure tailing 208 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 1: him would sigh or groan, and the watchman could feel 209 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 1: its icy breath on his neck. These days, music hall 210 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: staff frequently reports similar phenomena. A former Cincinnati Pop's music 211 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:43,559 Speaker 1: director and the CEO slash general director have both heard 212 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 1: strange noises late at night when the hall should be empty. Once, 213 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 1: an employee brought his son to the auditorium with him 214 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: while he was working. The Friends of the music hall 215 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: reports that while his son stood on stage, he pointed 216 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: at box nine and asked, Daddy, who's the man in 217 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 1: the box? But when the father looked to the seats, 218 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:07,719 Speaker 1: they were all empty. Still, the son insisted that there 219 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:11,559 Speaker 1: was someone there waving at him. The claim was unsettling 220 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: enough that the employee decided not to stick around. Instead, 221 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: he grabbed his child and rushed out of the building. 222 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: Other visitors have seen specters in clothing that appears to 223 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: be from the eighteen hundreds. This includes a woman in 224 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: white who paces around in the hall and on the 225 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: grounds outside. Occasionally, guests can spot her dancing in the 226 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: ballroom too. Speaking of the ballroom, Julie Carr wrote on 227 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: Haunted Houses dot Com of one occasion when some workers 228 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: were in another part of the building late at night, 229 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: they heard music coming from the ballroom, which was supposed 230 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: to be empty, but when they opened the door, they 231 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: found countless spirits in nineteenth century outfits in the midst 232 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: of a spectral dance party. A box office employee once 233 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: spotted a boy in knickers and a cap. Visitors to 234 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: the basement have seen a poorly dressed young girl. She's dirty, 235 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: with matted hair and bad teeth, so some believe she 236 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: could be an orphan girl's spirit. During performances, sometimes audience 237 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: members wearing nineteenth century clothing are spotted in unsold seats, 238 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: as though the ghosts of the dead are still catching 239 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: the latest show. Likewise, performers have appeared on stage who 240 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: can't be identified and aren't formally part of the cast. 241 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: That's according to John B. Kachuba's book Ghost Hunting Ohio. 242 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: Given all of this activity, it's no surprise that the 243 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: music hall offers ghost tours. The people who book them 244 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: report hearing disembodied footsteps, music and singing from the auditorium 245 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: even when it's supposed to be empty, and shadows that 246 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: can't be explained. The seats sometimes move on their own, 247 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: as do the doors that slam without warning. The elevator 248 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: was removed in twenty sixteen, but before then it's sometimes 249 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: activated by itself, something I experienced. Visitors also report the 250 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: sensation that they're being watched, a feeling they can't shake off, 251 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: and at times guests even feel that something unseen has 252 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: pushed or shoved them. I want to dive deeper into 253 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: the Music Hall's history. So I was thinking today, maybe 254 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: we need to talk to someone who investigated it with me, 255 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: someone who was there when I had one of the 256 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: most profound paranormal experiences of my life at the Cincinnati 257 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: Music Hall. So yes, up next we will be speaking 258 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: with friend of the show and friend of mine, mister 259 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: Adam Berry. That's coming up after the break. All right, 260 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: I am now joined by Haunted Road regular BFF, wonderful 261 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: human being, mister Adam Berry. Welcome back to the program, 262 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: mister Barry. 263 00:16:57,640 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 2: You know, great to be here to walk down the 264 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 2: road again with you. 265 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: It's funny like this one. So we investigated Cincinnati Music 266 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: halltogether on Ghost Hunters. We were there for a few nights, 267 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 1: I think two, and I probably could have found someone 268 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: who'd investigated it a bunch, but I felt like we 269 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: had so many great experiences there. I wanted to kind 270 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 1: of reminisce especially I think this was one of the 271 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 1: cases we did on our last season of ghost Hunters. 272 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 2: Believe it or not, Yeah, for sure, I remember. 273 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 3: The one thing I do remember is the three am 274 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 3: activity that they said. It was like Jay or Grant 275 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 3: was one of them, was like, you know, Amy and 276 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 3: animals stay up till three am, and so it wasn't 277 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 3: like we were afraid to stay at three am to 278 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 3: see if activity would happen. But we have been working 279 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 3: since like one pm or noon, and we were both 280 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 3: like three what we have to be up that long? 281 00:17:55,720 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 1: Three thirty? Actually? What the idea of that? Now makes 282 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: me nauseous? Like that's the part. 283 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't stay up. 284 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,479 Speaker 1: No, I tell people all the time, well you can 285 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: stay upwayer them me. But but like I've noticed, you know, 286 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: as years have gone by, that you do stay up, 287 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: not as late as you used to. Well you're in 288 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 1: bed by like one. 289 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, three am is. 290 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 3: I have discovered in my age that three am is is. 291 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 2: Like the past of like past, the point at no return. 292 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. 293 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 2: No, like when three am hits, if I'm not in bed, 294 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:35,159 Speaker 2: it's no matter what happens the next day. 295 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 3: It is the day is not going to be good. 296 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 3: It's I'm tired, like it's it's it's crazy. But I 297 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 3: am glad that we put our big boy and girl 298 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 3: pants on and did the three thirty am because what 299 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 3: happened to us was insane. 300 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, I tell that story a lot, so for those Okay, 301 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,159 Speaker 1: so for those who did not watch this episode of 302 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: Ghost Hunters and honestly, like, there's a whole backstory anyway, 303 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: So we'll do this. We'll talk about this first because 304 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: it was such an insane moment. I'll do this setup 305 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:09,880 Speaker 1: and then you can say what we saw. Okay, So okay, 306 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 1: we were so basically, like Adam was saying, we were approached, 307 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: and actually I think it was Jay and Steve because 308 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: Grant wasn't there anymore at this point, and so we 309 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 1: were approached, not even by Jay. I think he sent 310 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:28,959 Speaker 1: the producers at us. He was like, and it was like, 311 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: so listen, there's this thing that happens in the theater 312 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 1: every night, they claim at three point thirty am. And 313 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 1: we were both like, not one of these things again, 314 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 1: because how many times does someone say to us, like 315 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: every day or every night? Just stay up till three 316 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: at night. It goes crazy. Just wait and see and 317 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 1: then we do it and we're like, nothing's happening. Yeah, 318 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: and so they were like, but we you know, they 319 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: said we should do our due diligence, and you know, 320 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: Jay really wants, you know, the team really wants someone 321 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 1: to stay up and wait for this thing to happen. 322 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 1: And the reality was like we were the you know, 323 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:05,679 Speaker 1: actually no, we weren't the low men on the totem 324 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 1: pole per se, because I think that Britt and Sam 325 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:09,120 Speaker 1: were there. 326 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 2: But for some. 327 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: I think I think we pulled the short store or something. 328 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 1: But yeah, somehow we were nominated to stay until three thirty. 329 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:24,439 Speaker 1: So it was us and a camera operator Kenny actually 330 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 1: Kenny Kane, and a producer and an audio person and 331 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: so you know, obviously people like to invest infested eight 332 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: late at night. But like when you're doing a show 333 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: like Ghost Hunters, like Adam was saying earlier, we start 334 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: so early, so by that time, like the crew and stuff, 335 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 1: they're going into overtime, like you know, we have to 336 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 1: kind of budget our nighttime hours. So everyone left. It 337 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,679 Speaker 1: was so I remember it was just being like sitting 338 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,439 Speaker 1: there and everyone's like bye, We'll see you guys tomorrow, 339 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: and we're. 340 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 2: Like yeah, and it was it was like ours. It 341 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 2: was like probably they. 342 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 1: Left at like two, like one thirty or two, and 343 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: so yeah, it was. And then the producer who was 344 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 1: with us was kind of a hard ass, and he 345 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 1: was like, well, we better do something, so we had 346 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,719 Speaker 1: to like just keep investigating the whole time when we 347 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: were just so exhausted. Anyways, so we make it. We 348 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,959 Speaker 1: go stand on the stage and the story is that 349 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: every night at three thirty, if you look up into 350 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: the stands or whatever you want to call them, you 351 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 1: will see someone up there waving at you. So what happened, 352 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: Adam Barry? 353 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 3: I will never forget it as long as I live, 354 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 3: because the two of us, by the three thirty point, 355 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 3: it was almost that that like okay, show me, okay, 356 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 3: let's go, Like it was this moment where we were like, 357 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 3: if this is going to happen, it better here we go. 358 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 3: And you and I are looking up in the balcony area, 359 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 3: which to the right side, like the upper right side 360 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 3: of the Cincinnati Music Hall falcony, and we see what 361 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 3: can only be described as this very tall, dark figure 362 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 3: waving like in slow motion with their right arm a 363 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 3: little like next to their head waving. They were very skinny, 364 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 3: and it had a grin on its face that reminded 365 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 3: me of like the cheshire cat from Alice in Wonderland. 366 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 3: And I remember seeing it and I was like, Oh 367 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,679 Speaker 3: my god, is that somebody wave? And you were like, 368 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 3: oh my god. And then I think Kenny couldn't see 369 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 3: or did see it in his camera. 370 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 2: I have no idea. I don't remember that, but I 371 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 2: remember we were just dumbfounded because A it was happening. 372 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 2: B We were like, holy crap, it's three point thirty. 373 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 2: It's occurring. And it was the most unsettling. 374 00:22:55,600 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 3: Weird visual experience I think we have ever had in 375 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 3: terms of like showing up at the right place at 376 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:05,640 Speaker 3: the right time. 377 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 2: It's almost it reminds me of Baba Duke before Baba Duke, right, 378 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, And I just remember 379 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 2: like being like, Okay, we saw and it disappeared. It 380 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 2: slowly kind of vanished on its own dissipated time. 381 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: It was there for long enough. It was there for minutes, 382 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 1: I feel like, but we literally ran up there and looked. 383 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 1: I remember like going like we're like. 384 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, we tried to recreate it. We tried to be like, okay, well, 385 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 2: what what was it? Was it a curtain? Was it 386 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,479 Speaker 2: a was it our eyes playing track? And no, it 387 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 2: was not. 388 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 3: And we both saw we both saw it, and I 389 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 3: don't I don't understand it. I don't get it. 390 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if like we manifested. 391 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:56,479 Speaker 3: That because we, you know, had been put in this 392 00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:00,040 Speaker 3: position for it to happen and we sort of did that, 393 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:01,439 Speaker 3: or if it actually showed up. 394 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,919 Speaker 2: But beyond trying to figure out what it was, it 395 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 2: was very very very very creepy. 396 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 1: It was well it was so funny too, because obviously 397 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,959 Speaker 1: we were very tired and we were probably like, you know, 398 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: whining a little bit about having to stay so late. 399 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: But I just remember, like we settle and then we 400 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,400 Speaker 1: look up and like the lights are out and we're 401 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: both like is that? What is that? What I think 402 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: it is? Like do you see that? 403 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 2: Do? 404 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,479 Speaker 1: And I remember Kenny saw it, and I feel like 405 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: you can see it because on the show, I feel 406 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: like you can see it in like they act like 407 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,199 Speaker 1: you can't, but I'm like I see it, Like I 408 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:39,919 Speaker 1: feel like you can see it on the show. But 409 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 1: maybe I'm just hallucining. I don't know, but we stared 410 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 1: at it. 411 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 3: Or maybe it's just burned. Maybe it's burned into your 412 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 3: memory so that when you watch. I'll have to watch 413 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:53,239 Speaker 3: the episode later and see if I can see it. 414 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 3: What if it just all automatically comes back every time 415 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 3: we watch the episode. 416 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 2: It's like an. 417 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: Ever we're gonna dream of it. But I just remember. 418 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: I remember being awake very quickly. All of a sudden. 419 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: We were like, oh my gosh, new renewed vigor, Like 420 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: we are, adrenaline is pumping, and they you know, and 421 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: and and the producer can hear it, they can't see it, 422 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: and they're kind of like, all right, we got that. 423 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: And we're like, no, we're not done. We're gonna go 424 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 1: up there now. It's like five am, because we're like 425 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,679 Speaker 1: we had to run up there and figure and it 426 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: was like you can't just run up to the balcony. 427 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: You have to like go through all these like you know, corridors, 428 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,640 Speaker 1: and like we had to get doors open and try 429 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: to recreate this. And we figured out I remember because 430 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,919 Speaker 1: it was standing like next to a doorway and we 431 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: figured out it was like six and a half feet 432 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: tall by the height for sure, like of you or 433 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: whoever we had stand up there for reference. It was 434 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 1: this very tall and I feel like I remember hat 435 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: being present as well, like the whole thing. Yes, and 436 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 1: the whole thing was just Baba Duke. 437 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 2: It was literally Babba Duke before Baba Duke. I've never 438 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 2: seen it was crazy. 439 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: So oh, I know what it looks like. Though you 440 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: have to see it. It scary. 441 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:09,199 Speaker 2: I have to see it. 442 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 3: Well you know why it reminds you, So I'll okay, 443 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 3: So the whole if I get if you're listening and 444 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 3: you know, Boba do the movie by like the back 445 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 3: of your hand, don't don't at me in the DMS 446 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,439 Speaker 3: because I kind of remember, but I kind of don't. 447 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 3: I believe it's sort of like a imaginary friend or 448 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,959 Speaker 3: it was. That's how they're playing it off in this 449 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 3: movie spoiler aly, and then it shows up and it's 450 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 3: like walking around and being crazy and it like follows them. 451 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 3: So this is the weirdest thing. So remember, Okay. So 452 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 3: I sometimes do these zoomed things with fans and followers 453 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 3: where we just chat. And there was this woman that 454 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 3: I was talking to recently. This happened maybe a couple 455 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 3: months ago, December actually, for Christmas, and she's talking about 456 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,400 Speaker 3: Cincinnati Music Hall because she lives in Cincinnati. And I'm 457 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 3: talking about this story. And as I'm talking about this story, 458 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 3: I'm doodling. I'm really into pencils these. 459 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 2: Days, so I have like a blank piece of paper. 460 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 3: And I'm sort of doodling what I remember seeing. And 461 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 3: as I'm drawing the circle of the head and putting 462 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 3: in this like weird mouth and the arms and the 463 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 3: lanky I realize this is gonna sound strange, but I 464 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 3: realize that I am drawing something that I used to 465 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 3: draw as a kid all the time. Like all of 466 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 3: a sudden, I'm looking at this drawing and I'm going, 467 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 3: oh my god, I've drawn this before. 468 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,360 Speaker 2: And it literally is something. 469 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 3: That I used to draw as a kid because I 470 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 3: was into like comic strips and I wanted to make 471 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,919 Speaker 3: this character like into a comic strip or something. 472 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 2: And it has long arms and weird crazy fingers. 473 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 3: It didn't have a mouth, right, so like if it 474 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,640 Speaker 3: had a mouth, it looked similar, and I was like, 475 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 3: I don't know what about it sat with me for 476 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:05,199 Speaker 3: a moment, but I got really nervous about it, like 477 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 3: it's something clicked between my childhood and seeing this thing again. 478 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 2: And I don't know if it's like following us. 479 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,719 Speaker 3: I don't know, because remember that time we did the 480 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 3: basement episode of Gindrid Spirits and we thought that something 481 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:20,920 Speaker 3: was following us around. 482 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 1: Yes, well we had like we had in season one 483 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: of Kindred. We had the same EVP and multiple locations, 484 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: and it would say, Amy Adam as. 485 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 2: So what if what if this thing and the thing 486 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:38,959 Speaker 2: that happened to you when you were a kid and 487 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 2: you saw in the woods. What if these things are 488 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 2: the same and it's just following us around it. 489 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: I don't want to think about that. 490 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 2: Since the beginning of being kids and for some reason 491 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 2: our trajectory like we got together, we started working together, 492 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 2: and it just but the universe knew from the beginning, 493 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 2: you know how the universe throws you weird stuff. What if? 494 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 2: I don't know. 495 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 1: I did not expect to say this podcast. I was like, well, 496 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: I talk about that cool thing is insane music Hall. 497 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 1: But now there's a you know, six and a half 498 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: foot tall, scary, smiling man with a top hat with 499 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: long arms and fingers that follows us around and waves 500 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: very slowly so. 501 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 3: And I wrote down as soon as I got off 502 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 3: the zoom with her, I stared at that picture and 503 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 3: I'll have to show it to you. 504 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 2: But I because I. 505 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 3: Stared at that photo, and I just wrote the phrase 506 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 3: who are you? Question mark right, And I left it 507 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 3: alone because I'm like, who are you? And I gave 508 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 3: it out to the universe to be like, Okay, if 509 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 3: you're if you're coming and going and you're being around 510 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 3: us for whatever reason, who are you? 511 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 2: My dude? 512 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: Well, when this airs, you'll have to post a photo 513 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: of your drawing so you can describe to everybody what 514 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: we saw. 515 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 2: Oh god, it's so weird because it's just I don't know. 516 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 2: And you know what's crazy is I had not thought 517 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 2: about that character. I should draw it all the time. 518 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 3: Like on my notebooks as a kid, like in middle 519 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 3: school and like whatever, but then I didn't think about it, 520 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 3: Like I have not thought about that drawing or that 521 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 3: little character that I drew since the last day that 522 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 3: I did it, way back, you. 523 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 2: Know whatever, how many years thirty five years ago. 524 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: So now I'm like, let's talk about the Cincinnati Music 525 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 1: Hall moment, and it brings it all back to you. 526 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 2: So it's so bizarre. 527 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: It's one of those weird synchronicity moments coming around that's crazy. 528 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 1: It's weird because I went back to Cincinnati Music Hall 529 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 1: because I did a show there a year before last, 530 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: but it wasn't in the main I did it in 531 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: the ballroom, which is a really cool space, and it 532 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: sold out, which was amazing. But my dressing room was 533 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 1: kind of in this like back corner area and it 534 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 1: was very spooky. It wasn't like a traditional dressing room. 535 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 1: And I remember, like I was sitting in there by myself, 536 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: and I was already kind of nervous because like the 537 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: show would sell out, and then they would because it 538 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 1: was the ballroom, then they would just rearrange the tables 539 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: and add more seats and so it kept getting bigger 540 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: and bigger and bigger, and it was one of the 541 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 1: biggest crowds I'd done. Like, so I was already nervous, 542 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: but then I was in this weird dressing room and 543 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I remembered what we saw there, 544 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 1: and I was like transported back and I was like, 545 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, that thing is like walking around in 546 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: this place somewhere. And then I started like I started 547 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 1: thinking like, what if I'm doing my talk and he's 548 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: standing in the back. I started thinking about this right 549 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 1: before I'm about to go on stage in front of 550 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: nine hundred people, like and I was like what if 551 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: I was just like, it's the dark and I'm doing 552 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 1: my talk and all of a sudden, I see that 553 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 1: man back there just waving at me, like what would 554 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 1: I do? You know that crept in to my Like 555 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 1: that did not happen, thank goodness, but I did think 556 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: about it. It sounds like a scene from a horror movie, 557 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 1: to be honest. 558 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 2: No, it is. And then what's weird? Is it came? 559 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 3: I mean, obviously you're in the space, but this experience 560 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 3: is one of those that we had that sort of 561 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,479 Speaker 3: sneaks up on you when you least expect it, like 562 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,479 Speaker 3: all of a sudden you think about it, or it 563 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 3: comes out of nowhere, and every. 564 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 2: Time it happens, it's almost like we're reliving it. 565 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 3: Yeah again, all the feelings come back, all the things 566 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 3: come back, and like, you know, I know, we just 567 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 3: talked about a lot that we would hate staying up 568 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 3: till three point thirty. 569 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 2: But I would probably I would probably tempt that again. 570 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 2: Maybe I'll take an afternoon nap just. 571 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 3: So that we could see if we could have the 572 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 3: experience again, you know what I'm saying. 573 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 1: You know, Also, why are we so against just like 574 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: waking up early and starting to investigate? You know, I 575 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: was thinking about that. I'm like, yeah, what if you 576 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 1: just had like a you know, three am start time, 577 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 1: and you just woke up at two and you went 578 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: to Betterly. 579 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, you went at five o'clock. 580 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 1: But there's a lot of other things that have happened 581 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 1: there though, too, Like even when we were there, I 582 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: remember distinctly there was a footsteps situation. There's so many 583 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 1: sounds in that place. People were hearing voices, they were 584 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 1: loud bangs, there were doors slamming, Like I mean, I 585 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: don't know how much you remember about the history, but 586 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: it was literally built, like they found so many bones, 587 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 1: even just as recently as like twenty sixteen. I don't 588 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 1: know if you remember, but when they took us on 589 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: the tour, they showed us the elevator that I was 590 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: so terrified of because they used a big elevator. Oh 591 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 1: and so when they were constructing that elevator, they found 592 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 1: a ton of bones at the bottom of it. Like 593 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 1: when they were digging up for so yeah. 594 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 2: Like human bones, human human bones. 595 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, so they had they reburied a lot of them. 596 00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 3: But I remember the music hall like I can see 597 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 3: it in my head. So I remember how grand it is, 598 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 3: and I remember how like just so cool it was 599 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 3: to be there on the space like to be I 600 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,240 Speaker 3: don't know in that in that environment, but I don't 601 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 3: I guess I don't recall the. 602 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,320 Speaker 2: Human How do you forget human bones? 603 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 1: Well, it's because there's like a six and a half 604 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 1: foot tall ghost man waving at you, and you just 605 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 1: everything else disappears in that moment. 606 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 2: That's it. 607 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 3: He's the one that's hiding the boat. He's going to 608 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,360 Speaker 3: take our bones at some point. 609 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:30,840 Speaker 1: Would the bone collector? 610 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,400 Speaker 2: Oh god, see now I'm terrified. 611 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 1: The bone collector. And people are gonna be. 612 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 3: Like, listen, if you are watching, if you're listening to 613 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 3: this episode of Hanted Road, we need fan art. 614 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 2: We need fan art of this creepy. 615 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 3: Y Yes we do, creepy dude, Yes, we did send 616 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 3: it our way and I'll post mine. 617 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I can't believe you're encouraging this. 618 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:56,800 Speaker 2: Come on, listen. 619 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 3: I want people's worst nightmares to be fulfilled at this 620 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 3: point because if we had to see it, they're going 621 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 3: to see it. 622 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 1: Well, they should also do the fan art of us 623 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,360 Speaker 1: seeing it, so it should be like a oh my. 624 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:12,359 Speaker 2: God, oh a comic strip. I've talked about comic ship. 625 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 2: What if we did? 626 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 3: We need a comic strip of us being kind of grumpy, sleepy. 627 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 2: And then wide awake and weird. Baba duke man, there 628 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 2: we is. That's it. 629 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 1: I see, I can see it now. Okay, So, but 630 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 1: I do want to talk about my brain is a 631 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 1: broken note. I do want to talk about now while 632 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 1: I have you, because it's really exciting. I saw that 633 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 1: the paperback of your book came out recently. What's going 634 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 1: on with that? 635 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 3: Yes, so paperback for Goodbye Hello, Processing Grief and Understanding 636 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:48,600 Speaker 3: Death through the Paranormal just released on March eleventh. There, 637 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,320 Speaker 3: even if you have the book, there is a brand 638 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:55,360 Speaker 3: new chapter in chapter thirteen my favorite number. 639 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 2: And there's also a workbook. 640 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 3: Journal that I created for or the topics that go 641 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 3: along with each chapter, so you can write in the 642 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 3: book as your own little journal, put your own thoughts down, 643 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 3: and you know, help process what you're reading and what 644 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,440 Speaker 3: you're feeling and thinking. And the new chapter is actually 645 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 3: a story something that happened to me when I was 646 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,840 Speaker 3: recording the audiobook. So the book was already in print. 647 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 3: There was no going back. But the publisher said, you know, 648 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,799 Speaker 3: if this makes it to paperback, will you write will 649 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 3: you write another chapter for it? And I was like absolutely, 650 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,360 Speaker 3: so spoiler alert, you can't. You don't know the story, 651 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:33,719 Speaker 3: so you get the book, so. 652 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 2: Even if you've read it. But yeah, it's just dropped. 653 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 3: And I'm on the cover and I might regret that 654 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 3: when I'm ninety eight, still selling the book. 655 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 1: But the last the new chapter is called The Bone Collector. 656 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's called get Ready. Get Ready? 657 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, available wherever books are sold, Amazon, Barnes and Noble, 658 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:53,920 Speaker 3: all the fun places. 659 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 1: I ordered a copy yesterday. It's not here yet, but 660 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 1: I ordered a copy yesterday. 661 00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:58,319 Speaker 2: Yes, thank you. Now. 662 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,680 Speaker 1: I love to support my friends, even when they give 663 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,239 Speaker 1: me free books, I still order it. 664 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 2: Always make sure listen. 665 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,680 Speaker 3: I love to see our books trending side by side, you. 666 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 1: Know, are they oh, food to. 667 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 3: Die For and Food to die For? And the paperback 668 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:16,919 Speaker 3: and then Steve Gonzolvez is there. 669 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:17,759 Speaker 2: His book is there. 670 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,239 Speaker 3: So it's fun to see it's fun to see all 671 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,640 Speaker 3: of us on the chats as they say. 672 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 1: I love that. I love that so much. What else 673 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 1: do you have going on? Anything you want to tell 674 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:26,720 Speaker 1: the world about. 675 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,840 Speaker 3: Oh well, I mean not really. 676 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,759 Speaker 2: I mean maybe we'll do this again and then I'll 677 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 2: have more time. Now. 678 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:36,359 Speaker 1: I know you have things you can't talk about yet. 679 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,719 Speaker 1: But it was also just your birthday, and I did 680 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 1: wish you happy for it was, but happy birthday again. 681 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,920 Speaker 3: Eventually I will Eventually I will pick up the Christmas present, 682 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 3: which is the birthday present, which also is the birthday present. 683 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 1: I'm going to send you a picture of it because 684 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,960 Speaker 1: I got you the perfect gift and I have been 685 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 1: sitting on it for six So I got him as 686 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,440 Speaker 1: present for Christmas and it was perfect. And I've seen 687 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,360 Speaker 1: Adam probably six times since christs thank you forgetting to 688 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,279 Speaker 1: give it to you. And so now I'm like, well, 689 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 1: now it's your birthday present. But it is literally the 690 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,279 Speaker 1: perfect gift. My friend had it in his house and 691 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,120 Speaker 1: I was like, I have to get that for Ben 692 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,759 Speaker 1: and Adam, well for Adam and Ben Rose for both 693 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 1: of you. Really, so thank you you. 694 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:23,319 Speaker 2: I appreciate it. 695 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, well it's lovely chatting with you. I'm 696 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,799 Speaker 1: glad we could take this little walk down memory lane, 697 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,080 Speaker 1: even though slightly terrifying, and I'm going to have nightmares, 698 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,480 Speaker 1: but I appreciate you, and I love you, and hopefully 699 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,680 Speaker 1: I will talk to you again very soon. 700 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,279 Speaker 2: Yes, let's get together soon. 701 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 1: By the time the Cincinnati Music Hall was built, the 702 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,280 Speaker 1: grounds were already choked with the bones of long dead people. 703 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,520 Speaker 1: But hope for the future rose up from tragedy, and 704 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 1: a hall was built to celebrate community, art and culture. 705 00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,000 Speaker 1: Perhaps today the spirits there can take solace in life 706 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:05,240 Speaker 1: halls that ring with music, laughter, and optimism. I'm Amy Brunei, 707 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 1: and this was Haunted Road. Haunted Road is a production 708 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:23,200 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio and Grim and Mild from Aaron Minky. Haunted 709 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,600 Speaker 1: Road is hosted and written by me Amy Brunne, with 710 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:31,040 Speaker 1: additional research by Cassandra de Alba. This show is edited 711 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:35,520 Speaker 1: and produced by supervising producer Rima el Kali, with executive 712 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:40,000 Speaker 1: producers Aaron Menke, Trevor Young, and Matt Frederick. Learn more 713 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,680 Speaker 1: about this show over at Grimandmild dot com, and for 714 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:48,879 Speaker 1: more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app Apple podcasts, 715 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:54,960 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.