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Speaker 1: Turn to the folks who've been in the game since

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Speaker 1: With Amy Wells, I'm Mike Keith. Amy. It's time to

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Speaker 1: talk defense as we are now just a handful of

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited for training camp. I can't wait, and

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Speaker 1: talking defense is one of my favorite things. So let's go.

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Speaker 1: I want to start with Jeffrey Simmons year three. He

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Speaker 1: says he wants to take the next step. What do

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Speaker 1: you think is the next step for the big defensive tackle.

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Speaker 1: I think the next step is leadership, and I think

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Speaker 1: that it's obviously we know that he's a strong performer.

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Speaker 1: We know that when he's playing at a high level

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Speaker 1: make a difference in a game no matter what. The

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Speaker 1: next step is assuming that leadership role, not only of

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Speaker 1: that's wanted to assume that position, but he's really been

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Speaker 1: that direction. We've heard him say this offseason he's ready

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Speaker 1: I think that's the next step for him. For me,

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Speaker 1: the next step for him is to get to seven

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Speaker 1: to have a chance to make more plays rushing the passer.

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Speaker 1: I think if he gets to seven eight nine secks,

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Speaker 1: which I think is very realistic for him. To me,

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Speaker 1: that's the next step. It's all about the numbers, Mike.

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Speaker 1: It's all about the numbers, all right. So is defensive

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Speaker 1: it could be. I think there's a lot of different

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Speaker 1: things that are happening in this defensive line area. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot of different areas where there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: matchups that I'm excited to see when we get out

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Speaker 1: there for training camp. Who's going to end up at

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Speaker 1: a really interesting thing to watch. I think obviously, you

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Speaker 1: out that is something we're not entirely sure of. So

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Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of things to watch going

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Speaker 1: but I think it's one of the major parts. That's

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Speaker 1: what I think it is really because I think right now,

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Speaker 1: as we record this edition of the OTP presented by

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Speaker 1: Farm Bureau Health Plans, there are nine defensive linemen on

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Speaker 1: the roster. Jeffrey Simmons is on the roster right, Denico

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Speaker 1: Autry is on the roster right. I don't think there's

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Speaker 1: anybody else of the nine who is guaranteed a roster spot.

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Speaker 1: You don't think tier Tart well, I mean I think so,

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Speaker 1: but remember Tierre Tart doesn't have a contract that I mean,

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Speaker 1: Autrey's on the roster. But then I don't think any

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Speaker 1: to you, Mike. I think you're right. Lots of talk

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Speaker 1: And let's get to the passer. Jim Wyatt wrote recently

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Speaker 1: at Tennessee Titans dot com about Derreck Roberson, now in

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Speaker 1: his third year with the Titans, he has shown flashes.

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Speaker 1: Is he the wildcard at outsideline backer? Because you need

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Speaker 1: The Titans have invested a lot of time in Roberson.

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Speaker 1: that I'm watching going into preseason games. Oh, I didn't

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Speaker 1: know we had Fun's for another OTP Mike the Tea, Yes,

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Speaker 1: I was good, all right? So we mentioned Ola Daney's name.

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Speaker 1: what we can shake out in that position. You can

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Speaker 1: on this defensive preview of the OTP Amy Wells. Who

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Speaker 1: to be talking ball for Amy Wells. I'm Mike Keith.

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Speaker 1: where the legends have him out of knows. It's our house,

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Speaker 1: fighting for Tennessee, making us to read greenness is meant

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