WEBVTT - Manhunt [2]

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<v Speaker 1>What we have is raw news footage from WSBTV. We

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<v Speaker 1>have seventeen thousand hours of raw news footage. So far,

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<v Speaker 1>I've identified six hundred and fourteen clips, but we have

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<v Speaker 1>about another one hundred and fifty taps to scrub through.

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<v Speaker 1>The Whole time I've been working on this collection, I've

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<v Speaker 1>been thinking someone somedays, someone is going to come along

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<v Speaker 1>and do this. It was you, guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Step aboard our tartists bigger on the inside than it

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<v Speaker 2>is on the outside where we're going down to the

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<v Speaker 2>sub basement high density storage vaults.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like a rollercoaster.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I can make it go fast if you left.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a thirty thousand square foot facility which we keep

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<v Speaker 2>at fifty degrees fahrenheit with a relative amidity of thirty percent.

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<v Speaker 2>Thirty two feet from floor to the ceiling. Actually the

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<v Speaker 2>top of our ceiling there is the floor of the

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<v Speaker 2>second floor. Prior to us building this building here was

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<v Speaker 2>a Native American settlement of some sort here. If I've

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<v Speaker 2>understand what people have told me over the years, everything

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<v Speaker 2>is shelved down here by size and then by dark.

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<v Speaker 3>How many records do you think you guys have on

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<v Speaker 3>the Atlanta Chalmers in Atlanta. Another bonder wasn't discovered through day,

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<v Speaker 3>but twenty third.

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<v Speaker 4>At Police Task Force headquarters, there are twenty seven faces

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<v Speaker 4>on the wall, twenty six murdered, one missing.

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<v Speaker 3>We do not know the person or persons that are responsible. Therefore,

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<v Speaker 3>we do not have the money from tenderfoot TV in

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<v Speaker 3>house to works in Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 5>Like eleven other recent victrums in Atlanta, rogers are currently

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<v Speaker 5>was as fixiator.

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<v Speaker 4>Atlanta is unlikely to catch the killer unless he keeps

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<v Speaker 4>on killing.

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<v Speaker 3>This is Atlanta monster.

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<v Speaker 6>Sketching back then wasn't what it is today. I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>some of these sketches they come out with better than photographs.

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<v Speaker 6>Back then, you know, you work with what you had,

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<v Speaker 6>and it was a pretty good sketch. We had a

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<v Speaker 6>composite of it of who this guy would be.

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<v Speaker 7>What it looked like to you. Remember well, it was

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<v Speaker 7>a blackmail with bushy hair.

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<v Speaker 6>I remember the composite sketch very well. This is a

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<v Speaker 6>folder of paperwork I kept from my time as deministrative

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<v Speaker 6>coordinated the Atlanta child murder cases. It wasn't animosity between

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<v Speaker 6>the local police and the FBI. One of the main

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<v Speaker 6>things is the mayor maina Jackson. He says, I want

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<v Speaker 6>every living FBI agent. My police department is basically incompetent

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<v Speaker 6>and they can't solve it. We need the FBI to

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<v Speaker 6>solve it. So he threw his department under the bus.

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<v Speaker 6>None of us want to get involved because it looked

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<v Speaker 6>like just a local miss.

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<v Speaker 3>This is Jim Procopio, but he goes by Popcorn. Look,

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<v Speaker 3>he worked for the FBI alongside Mike mccomis during the

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<v Speaker 3>time with the Atlanta child murders. Mike actually introduced me

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<v Speaker 3>to him.

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<v Speaker 8>Probably be interested in talking to Procopio. Yeah, Popcorn is

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<v Speaker 8>a good guy. Now if you can get into his

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<v Speaker 8>treasure trove, he's got boxes and stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Popcorn dealt with all the records and files in the FBI,

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<v Speaker 3>And just like Mike McComas, he stressed the importance of

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<v Speaker 3>a composite sketch they received early on in their investigation

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<v Speaker 3>from a kid who told police that a man had

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<v Speaker 3>tried to abduct him.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, it was a blackmail with bushy hair. I remember

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<v Speaker 6>the composite sketch very well.

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<v Speaker 3>After interviewing the kid, they were able to form a

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<v Speaker 3>detailed sketch of the suspect. A blackmail with bushy hair.

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<v Speaker 3>After only a few minutes with popcorn, you get the

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<v Speaker 3>impression that this guy doesn't forget a thing.

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<v Speaker 6>And it goes back to another cultural socioeconomic issue. When

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<v Speaker 6>Maynard Jackson became mayor, first black mayor in Atlanta, the

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<v Speaker 6>first thing he said was, I want to make the

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<v Speaker 6>police department more brown. Police department up with that time

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<v Speaker 6>had some black officers, several were majors and above, but

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<v Speaker 6>it was mainly a white police department. Well, when the

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<v Speaker 6>white officers heard that, they saw they saw the handwriting

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<v Speaker 6>on the wall. If you were white, you're not going

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<v Speaker 6>to rise rapidly in this department. It's going to be black.

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<v Speaker 6>A lot of the older ones, they say, we'll see you,

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<v Speaker 6>they retire. So consequently they lost many of their senior officers,

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<v Speaker 6>the best homicide investigator. Then they had a big cheating

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<v Speaker 6>scandal in the police department. They found out that a

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<v Speaker 6>lot of the black recruits in the police academy were

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<v Speaker 6>given the answers to tests. So that was another major scandal.

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<v Speaker 6>So the police department was left in seventy eight seventy

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<v Speaker 6>nine eighty relatively new and inexperienced. So I guess some

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<v Speaker 6>of the homicide detectives were not that experienced and they

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<v Speaker 6>missed the signs that there were commonalities in the eight

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<v Speaker 6>to ten to twelve they had. By time the Bureau

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<v Speaker 6>got in, they were up to fourteen ten found for missing. Further,

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<v Speaker 6>the FBI does not investigate murders. Murder is not a

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<v Speaker 6>federal crime. If it's committed on a government reservation, it

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<v Speaker 6>is off as certain federal authority as it is is

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<v Speaker 6>killed in the commission of a civil rights violation, it is,

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<v Speaker 6>but we don't investigate. Doesn't even investigate murders like you

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<v Speaker 6>have on the street every day.

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<v Speaker 7>So we had no jurisdiction.

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<v Speaker 6>We went to the Atlanta Police Department and says here,

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<v Speaker 6>we're here to help you. You know, we're greeted by yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 6>we won all your files. So it went to roller cases.

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<v Speaker 6>We assigned. There were two agents who are one agent

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<v Speaker 6>per victim, and we had fourteen of the victims at

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<v Speaker 6>the time. So we said go out.

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<v Speaker 7>And redo the case, look through it, give it a.

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<v Speaker 6>Fresh look, come back and tell us what you're fine about.

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<v Speaker 6>Ten or twelve of them come back and said, he's

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<v Speaker 6>looked like local crimes. We were pretty much convinced that

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<v Speaker 6>they were all local homicides that the APD had bungled.

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<v Speaker 6>We didn't see any pattern. We didn't see anything.

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<v Speaker 3>The FBI, along with local police, were not convinced they

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<v Speaker 3>were dealing with a serial killer, but as the death

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<v Speaker 3>toll of black children was growing, they began to recognize

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<v Speaker 3>similarities in the murders. It would start with the child

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<v Speaker 3>going missing for days, weeks, and sometimes even months. The

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<v Speaker 3>FBI became involved in many of the searches. Popcorn recalled

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<v Speaker 3>the first big search he was a part of.

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<v Speaker 6>There were one thousand searches all over the city. One

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<v Speaker 6>place was red Wine Road in South Fulton County. If

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<v Speaker 6>you go there today, it's right off two eighty five.

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<v Speaker 6>There's a huge shopping center with a Tarja and old

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<v Speaker 6>bunch of stores. Back then it was woods. About three o'clock,

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<v Speaker 6>the team down on red Wine Road says we found

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<v Speaker 6>skeletal remains. So everybody hauled ask and it was like

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<v Speaker 6>being in Vietnam again. There were the news choppers overhead.

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<v Speaker 6>They got window.

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<v Speaker 7>Where we were.

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<v Speaker 6>All the news choppers were overhead. So I got there

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<v Speaker 6>there about five o'clock and I'm walking and I'd park

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<v Speaker 6>my car on red Wine Road and I walk in

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<v Speaker 6>the woods and something catches my eye at eleven o'clock

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<v Speaker 6>and I walk over and there was a skull and.

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<v Speaker 7>More human remains.

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<v Speaker 6>So we had two human remains within one hundred feet

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<v Speaker 6>at one another, and this led to.

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<v Speaker 7>One of the most bizarre episodes.

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<v Speaker 6>About one hundred feet below both bodies, we found a

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<v Speaker 6>Playboy magazine. It was that week's Playboy magazine. It came

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<v Speaker 6>out that Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 7>This was Friday.

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<v Speaker 6>So we found the Playboy magazine and there was a

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<v Speaker 6>sticky substance between the pages. I'll let you decide what

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<v Speaker 6>that was. So he immediately fantasized the investigators. The killer

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<v Speaker 6>came back, came down here to the side of the murders, masturbated,

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<v Speaker 6>then took off.

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<v Speaker 7>This is key evidence.

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<v Speaker 6>We packaged it up, raced it out to the airport,

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<v Speaker 6>gave it to the captain of a Delta jet heading

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<v Speaker 6>for Washington, DC.

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<v Speaker 7>An agent picked it up as.

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<v Speaker 6>Soon as the plane landed, rushed with the FBI laboratory.

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<v Speaker 6>They gave it to a ladder lab. They developed prints

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<v Speaker 6>and identified the sticky substance. We didn't have any of

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<v Speaker 6>the prints on file, so they sent it to the

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<v Speaker 6>APD to look up through their files. Within an hour

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<v Speaker 6>they identified the print.

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<v Speaker 7>So we went in. We arrested the guy, We searched us.

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<v Speaker 6>He brought him to the Bureau. We polygraphed him. He

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<v Speaker 6>passed the PolyGram. What the hell were you doing down there?

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<v Speaker 6>He says, well, my wife just had a baby. I

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<v Speaker 6>went down there that afternoon. Now, during that time we

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<v Speaker 6>were part of the Vice President of George Bush's task

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<v Speaker 6>for us. Everything I wrote went to a UNI chief

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<v Speaker 6>of the Bureau, went to the director, to the Attorney General,

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<v Speaker 6>to George Bush. George Bush read it. So the one

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<v Speaker 6>thing he asked us was please don't tell my wife.

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<v Speaker 7>We said, you goddamn idiot.

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<v Speaker 6>Do you know the Vice President of the United States

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<v Speaker 6>knows what you did when you went into the woods,

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<v Speaker 6>and you know where your wife's going to find out.

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<v Speaker 7>By the way, we code named that. It was known

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<v Speaker 7>as the Woodwhacker.

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<v Speaker 3>Popcorn's first big lead went nowhere. Popcorn had found the

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<v Speaker 3>bodies of eleven year old Christopher Richardson and eleven year

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<v Speaker 3>old Earl Terrell. Christopher had been missing for eight months,

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<v Speaker 3>an Earl had been missing for six months. To me,

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<v Speaker 3>on the surface, these cases seemed open and shut. A

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<v Speaker 3>Playboy magazine with semen on It was found near the

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<v Speaker 3>bodies with the suspect's fingerprints on it. But after an

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<v Speaker 3>extensive interrogation, the suspect passed a polygraph test, and despite

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<v Speaker 3>all the bizarre circumstances, the FBI was convinced that this

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<v Speaker 3>man was not involved in the murders, so they moved on.

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<v Speaker 3>Both Popcorn and Mike Macombis told me that when the

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<v Speaker 3>FBI got involved in these cases, there was an extreme

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<v Speaker 3>tension brewing in the city of Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 8>Of course, the blacks wanted it to be somebody white

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<v Speaker 8>and the whites wanted it to be somebody black. And

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<v Speaker 8>I can't speak for the rest of the bureau, but

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<v Speaker 8>my partner and I are Larry Ellington. We talked about

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<v Speaker 8>it a lot. First off, our profilers said that serial

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<v Speaker 8>killers rarely cross races. They'll kill in their own race,

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<v Speaker 8>and all these kids were black.

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<v Speaker 3>Popcorn and Macomis both mentioned FBI profilers the people who

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<v Speaker 3>formulate an idea of who the killer is, who the

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<v Speaker 3>FBI should be looking for, and there was one characteristic

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<v Speaker 3>that stood out to me immediately.

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<v Speaker 7>It had to be a black guy.

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<v Speaker 6>A white man could not go into a black neighborhood,

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<v Speaker 6>pick up a ca we had put them in his

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<v Speaker 6>car and drive off without anybody seeing.

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<v Speaker 8>If there's a crime scene. Then the media was just unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 8>And with all of the attention this case was getting,

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<v Speaker 8>it was almost impossible to get into a predominantly black

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<v Speaker 8>neighborhood and not be challenged or approached or whatever. If

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<v Speaker 8>you were white.

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<v Speaker 6>It just doesn't happen. In fact, when we went into

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<v Speaker 6>black neighborhoods during the investigation, everybody on a street was

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<v Speaker 6>out on their front porch as soon as we appeared

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<v Speaker 6>in the neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 8>There was one place that I think is gone now.

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<v Speaker 8>It was a housing project. They had what they call

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<v Speaker 8>the bat patrol, and these were adults that walked around

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<v Speaker 8>with baseball bats and looking for suspicious characters or protecting

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<v Speaker 8>the community whatever they call them. The bat patrol. We

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<v Speaker 8>were over in this housing area. We had two young

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<v Speaker 8>black kids that had supposedly seen something we thought, so

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<v Speaker 8>Larry and I were tasked to go over and pick

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<v Speaker 8>up these two children and their mother. So here we

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<v Speaker 8>are in the Brown Ford again. He's driving, I'm in

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<v Speaker 8>the passenger side, and we have the mother sitting in

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<v Speaker 8>the middle and the two black kids in the back

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<v Speaker 8>seat and near the windows, and two young boys, and

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<v Speaker 8>I think they were like ten or something, eight, ten, twelve,

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<v Speaker 8>I don't know, somewhere around that. And we didn't get

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<v Speaker 8>two blocks before we were boxed in by about four

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<v Speaker 8>three or four different police cars. And we weren't proned

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<v Speaker 8>out that it was coming to that before we finally

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<v Speaker 8>got them to look at our identification. Hey, we're FBI agents.

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<v Speaker 8>And because somebody had called in, there's two white guys

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<v Speaker 8>with some black kids in the car. So it was

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<v Speaker 8>tough getting in and out of certain areas, and so

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<v Speaker 8>we were kind of convinced this guy had to be black.

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<v Speaker 8>He had to be black. We just couldn't figure out

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<v Speaker 8>how he was getting them in a car.

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<v Speaker 3>Was this a skewed opinion coming from only white males.

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<v Speaker 3>Was it that impossible for a white person to walk

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<v Speaker 3>around the inner city of Atlanta in the early eighties,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I asked Eric and Jasper Cameron, they

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<v Speaker 3>grew up in Atlanta during that time, if anything they

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<v Speaker 3>would know person.

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<v Speaker 9>I felt like it had to be somebody that could

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<v Speaker 9>move around in the community. So therefore I felt like

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<v Speaker 9>to be somebody black or somebody who wouldn't draw suspicion

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<v Speaker 9>because you know, over there we live a white person

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<v Speaker 9>walking around over there, they are gonna be you know,

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<v Speaker 9>it's gonna draw attention because that wasn't happening then. Now

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<v Speaker 9>now you go over there, it's like.

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<v Speaker 3>You know everybody.

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<v Speaker 9>But back then, nah, you know, it would have drew

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<v Speaker 9>too much attention. So I always felt like, probably with

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<v Speaker 9>somebody who could move around pretty easy, you know, undetected,

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<v Speaker 9>without really causing a lot of suspicion.

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<v Speaker 3>But not everyone agreed on that. This is Bernard Parks.

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<v Speaker 3>He grew up in Atlanta too, and was also a

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<v Speaker 3>child at the time of the murders.

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<v Speaker 5>There are certain guys that you know that they were around.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, you know, it's like it wasn't a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of white guys, right, but but.

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<v Speaker 3>There were some.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean, like you grew up, you know what

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<v Speaker 5>I'm saying. It's like, you know, one or two white

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<v Speaker 5>guys that went to my school, right, But that's just

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<v Speaker 5>because their family didn't have no money, right, So they

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<v Speaker 5>were just around and so you kind of accepted them.

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<v Speaker 5>But you know, I always say, you know, they got cousins,

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<v Speaker 5>they got friends, they got people that hung around and

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<v Speaker 5>we accepted.

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<v Speaker 3>It wouldn't have.

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<v Speaker 5>Normal, though, for in that time, for a black guy

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<v Speaker 5>just to walk up and be accepting of a white

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<v Speaker 5>guy without somebody understanding what's happening, right, I mean, that

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<v Speaker 5>just wasn't normal. I mean you just questioned, period, because

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<v Speaker 5>you're in my community and it's ain't your community.

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<v Speaker 3>I asked Monica Pearson, the former news anchor in Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 3>Her memory was crystal clear.

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<v Speaker 10>They weren't looking for a murderer. They were profiling. They

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<v Speaker 10>decided that that's what it was. And you have to

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<v Speaker 10>keep all options open. I think anytime you don't open

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<v Speaker 10>up and cast a wide net, you lose the opportunity

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<v Speaker 10>of finding someone else who might be involved. It's as

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<v Speaker 10>simple as that. You have to look at all the possibilities.

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<v Speaker 10>And if you start out by saying it has to

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<v Speaker 10>be a black person who did it, because these were

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<v Speaker 10>black children, then that's the reason why so many people

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<v Speaker 10>in the black community thought it was the Klan. I

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<v Speaker 10>think that's short sighted on their part, because you could

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<v Speaker 10>easily have a white man in that community dressed as

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<v Speaker 10>black people dressed and no one would notice him because

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<v Speaker 10>he just looks like a black person. He's in this community.

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<v Speaker 11>Now.

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<v Speaker 10>Most white people would not go into that community because

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<v Speaker 10>they would stand out like a sore thumb. But if

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<v Speaker 10>you assimilate from the walk, to the clothing, to the attitude,

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<v Speaker 10>to the speech, and don't say it can't be done,

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<v Speaker 10>I'm just throwing it out there. I think that's shortsighted

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<v Speaker 10>to say a white person couldn't do it.

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<v Speaker 3>A white person could.

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<v Speaker 10>If you know the community you had. A white graduated

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<v Speaker 10>a couple of years ago from Morehouse College as a valedictorian.

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<v Speaker 10>White folks go into the black community all the time

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<v Speaker 10>to buy drugs, and they don't have a problem fitting in.

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<v Speaker 10>If you look like the people who live there, and

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<v Speaker 10>your skin is just a little lighter than somebody else's,

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<v Speaker 10>it's not going to stand out.

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<v Speaker 3>I think they're wrong on that. From her perspective, the

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<v Speaker 3>possibility of a white killer was ruled out way too quickly.

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<v Speaker 3>I couldn't help but think she made a great point.

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<v Speaker 10>The one thing I remember most about the missing and

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<v Speaker 10>murdered children. I still see that visual every day is

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<v Speaker 10>Maynard Jackson sitting there with piles of cash, offering a

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<v Speaker 10>reward for any information on who was committing these crimes.

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<v Speaker 12>Here's one hundred thousand dollars and it's all you.

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<v Speaker 5>Most gangster picture ever him sitting with that money on

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<v Speaker 5>the desk.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's where they got this shot from for

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<v Speaker 3>uh Ransom.

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<v Speaker 5>Remember when Ransom they came in and put the male

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<v Speaker 5>gifts and he put all that money on the table

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<v Speaker 5>and he was like, now I'm putting his bounty on you.

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<v Speaker 5>That was Maina's line.

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<v Speaker 3>I read about this over and over in my research.

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<v Speaker 3>The reward money. It started with one hundred thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 3>from the city, but private donations, including one from Muhammad Ali,

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<v Speaker 3>brought it to over five hundred thousand. Today that would

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<v Speaker 3>be around one point five million. As Atlanta struggled to

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<v Speaker 3>find the killer, the city needed more and more money.

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<v Speaker 3>One solution was a benefit concert.

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<v Speaker 13>Come Fly with Me, Let's Fine, Let's Fine.

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<v Speaker 14>Frank Sinatra will be joining Sammy Davis Junior on stage

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<v Speaker 14>at the Atlanta Civic Center. The two figure to draw

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<v Speaker 14>a standing room only crowd for the March ten benefit

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<v Speaker 14>concert to help the investigation into the crimes against Atlanta's children.

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<v Speaker 3>The city held a huge benefit concert to raise money

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<v Speaker 3>for the investigation at the Atlanta Civic Center, but the

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<v Speaker 3>FBI was a high alert for the killer.

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<v Speaker 6>I was convinced that that night he would respond to that,

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<v Speaker 6>and I was convinced in my mind that he would

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<v Speaker 6>drop a body in the fountain right there.

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<v Speaker 12>Frank Sinatra arrived here at Charlie Brown Airport just a

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<v Speaker 12>few minutes before six o'clock.

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<v Speaker 3>He's not on his.

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<v Speaker 12>Way to the Atlanta Civic centerwhere he'll join Sammy Davis

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<v Speaker 12>Junior for tonight's benefit concert.

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<v Speaker 6>Sammy Davis Junior picked up a phone and volunteered.

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<v Speaker 3>To help Atlanta today. The superstar arrived here on his

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<v Speaker 3>private jet.

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<v Speaker 15>Such a horrendous tragedy as this effects, as I said,

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<v Speaker 15>it certainly affects all of America.

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<v Speaker 6>I was there that night, and we had cops and helicopters.

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<v Speaker 6>There were cars everywhere police because there is no one

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<v Speaker 6>could have gotten there with the body.

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<v Speaker 16>It started with police dogs sniffing the entire Civic Center

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<v Speaker 16>looking for explosives. The Mayor's office called this routine.

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<v Speaker 3>Will you guys are here to catch somebody?

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<v Speaker 17>Oh?

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<v Speaker 7>Hell yeah, that's why we're roll out.

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<v Speaker 18>Officials have been preparing for weeks for this night. Extra

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<v Speaker 18>security guards have been hired and extra police officers have

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<v Speaker 18>been put on patrol here with just one objective to

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<v Speaker 18>keep an eye on children.

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<v Speaker 6>It was overwhelming. The Atlanta Police Department out in full force.

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<v Speaker 6>Who had a GBI? I know, the FBI was there,

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<v Speaker 6>the Task Force, everybody was there. There's no way anyone

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<v Speaker 6>could have gotten in there and done anything.

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<v Speaker 16>There are so many news people here, coming from all

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<v Speaker 16>over the world, Chicago, New York, Hamburg, London, so many

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<v Speaker 16>they had to be regulated to a room in the basement. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 16>upstairs Atlanta's finance It started to arrive, but the high

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<v Speaker 16>points of the show weren't outside. They were in here.

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<v Speaker 5>I've got the world of the.

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<v Speaker 6>I've got this didn't respond and to got a lot

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<v Speaker 6>of publicity. I thought he was response to how he didn't.

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<v Speaker 16>And while Sinatra was entertaining as he sang, he was

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<v Speaker 16>most touching when he spoke.

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<v Speaker 13>More of my tears are shed for the brothers and

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<v Speaker 13>sisters and playmates of the victims to whom terror has

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<v Speaker 13>become an unwelcome companion, and to all of the fine,

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<v Speaker 13>decent people in Atlanta who are frightened by day and

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<v Speaker 13>doubly frightened by night.

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<v Speaker 3>You have my prayers that.

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<v Speaker 13>Is, and that it should pass without further bloodshed.

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<v Speaker 3>The city as a whole was banding together to catch

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<v Speaker 3>this killer, and every single law enforcement agency was working

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<v Speaker 3>around the clock. All the murders were of black children

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<v Speaker 3>from the inner city of Atlanta, and they were disappearing

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<v Speaker 3>from their own neighborhoods in their own local hangouts. One

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<v Speaker 3>popular place in the city at that time time for

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<v Speaker 3>kids to hang out was called the Omni, an arcade

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<v Speaker 3>room with food in a movie theater. But the Omni

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<v Speaker 3>was also becoming a place where some kids were last seen.

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<v Speaker 9>That's what we did. It was a game room in

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<v Speaker 9>the Omni, and we literally would go to that game

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<v Speaker 9>room and go to the arcades and all that. So

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<v Speaker 9>that's like video games and stuff like that. That's what

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<v Speaker 9>we did. Went to the Omni, hung Omni.

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<v Speaker 10>Friday night, date night, get out of the house night,

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<v Speaker 10>and the Omnie is packed with youngsters.

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<v Speaker 12>The Omni Complex, a mixture of fine stores, sporting events, movies,

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<v Speaker 12>and game rooms, a popular place for the inner city

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<v Speaker 12>kid to hang out. That's why the Special Task Force

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<v Speaker 12>became interested in the complex as a meeting place. Investigators

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<v Speaker 12>first started looking for some type of connection back in February.

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<v Speaker 11>This sign went up today at Electronic America. The manager

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<v Speaker 11>doesn't want anyone seventeen or under in here. Wont seven

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<v Speaker 11>o'clock hits. The owners realized such strict rules hurt their business,

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<v Speaker 11>especially when their business attracts mainly teenagers.

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<v Speaker 3>The nineteen eighties saw the rise in arcades and video games.

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<v Speaker 3>But another trend, and one I didn't know about, was

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<v Speaker 3>the nineteen eighties fascination with psychics. In fact, psychics even

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<v Speaker 3>played a role in the Atlanta child murders. I heard

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of weird stories surrounding this case, but so

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<v Speaker 3>far this seemed the most bizarre, a true example of

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<v Speaker 3>law enforcement grasping its straws.

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<v Speaker 19>Police are now working with more than one psychic to

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<v Speaker 19>solve the cases of six murdered and six missing children.

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<v Speaker 19>This is how the nationally known psychics spent their Friday

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<v Speaker 19>the thirteenth. They are visiting Atlanta courtesy of the National Inquirer. Yes,

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<v Speaker 19>the same National Inquirer with those sensational headlines that can

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<v Speaker 19>be seen at most supermarket counters. As the psychics scrambled

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<v Speaker 19>through the woods where four of the twenty murdered children

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<v Speaker 19>were found, psychic Mickey Dane of Miami, kicked off her shoes.

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<v Speaker 19>She asked reporters to feel how hot her feet were,

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<v Speaker 19>and then declared that two more bodies might be found nearby.

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<v Speaker 20>There is something here, some child out there is trying

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<v Speaker 20>to tell us to go further into this.

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<v Speaker 19>Jonathan Bell, whose brother Joseph is among the victims, also

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<v Speaker 19>served as a guide. A freelance artist was there too,

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<v Speaker 19>sketching psychic's descriptions of suspects.

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<v Speaker 20>I do not care at this point what they think

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<v Speaker 20>of me. I'm here to get a killer off the street.

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<v Speaker 20>If it takes one person of five thousand. My big

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<v Speaker 20>thing is that if I have to do it alone,

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<v Speaker 20>I will I feel that they are afraid that if

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<v Speaker 20>one person does it, how will they feel? And I

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<v Speaker 20>can understand that. But I'm here more so for the children.

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<v Speaker 20>And I do not want the reward money that I

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<v Speaker 20>put in writing. I do not want the money. I'm

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<v Speaker 20>not here for the publicity. I'm just like them. I

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<v Speaker 20>want to kill off the street.

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<v Speaker 3>One side gave police and news stations a detailed description

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<v Speaker 3>of who the Atlantic shold murderer was.

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<v Speaker 21>He knows in the daytime what he's dealing with, but

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<v Speaker 21>at night, he's not really sure, so he kind of

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<v Speaker 21>stays to himself in his apartment. Here's a television set.

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<v Speaker 21>There's no guns up there, no nothing. He's very smooth

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<v Speaker 21>talking when he does talk, which is very seldom. Oh yes,

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<v Speaker 21>there's no doubt in my mind that he's walked side

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<v Speaker 21>beside probably some of the parents of these children. He's shrewd,

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<v Speaker 21>he's methodical. You're not dealing with a guy with the one

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<v Speaker 21>hundred and sixty four IQ. He's clean, he's neat, he's

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<v Speaker 21>above suspicion. You're dealing with a methodical, a man that's

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<v Speaker 21>some systematic what angry now getting more frustrated. I cannot

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<v Speaker 21>stop him. I don't have the authority or the power.

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<v Speaker 3>At the University of Georgia in Athens is the Walter J.

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<v Speaker 3>Brown Media Archives, a huge, multi story facility that holds

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<v Speaker 3>hundreds of thousands of archive documents. In the early nineteen eighties,

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<v Speaker 3>this was arguably the biggest news story, especially in Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 3>I made a call to Mary Miller, one of the archivists,

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<v Speaker 3>to see if we can access their news archives related

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<v Speaker 3>to the case, and as it turns out, they have

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<v Speaker 3>thousands of hours of raw news footage from WSBTV, the

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<v Speaker 3>local Atlanta station. Material that hasn't been viewed by the

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<v Speaker 3>public since the early nineteen eighties. In that time, nothing

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<v Speaker 3>was digital. It was all on film or tape. But

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<v Speaker 3>the team at the University of Georgia worked tirelessly to

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<v Speaker 3>gather and digitize as much material as possible, and then

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<v Speaker 3>they gave us a personal tour of their vault.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything is shelved down here by size and then by

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<v Speaker 2>bark code, so thing that you'll notice here, each item

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<v Speaker 2>has a barcode on it, and each shelf has a

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<v Speaker 2>bar code, and the items are linked together, so it

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<v Speaker 2>gives us a barcode and we work by that.

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<v Speaker 7>What we do with videotapes.

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<v Speaker 2>Is a little bit different from what we do with

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<v Speaker 2>train materials. The videotapes will have to go into coolers

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<v Speaker 2>because they need to be acclimated from the cold, dry environment.

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<v Speaker 2>When they move upstairs, it's a little warmer and a

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<v Speaker 2>lot more humid, so they have to go in the

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<v Speaker 2>cooler so the temperature can come up slowly they can acclimate.

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<v Speaker 2>January twenty twelve, when we opened to the public, we've

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<v Speaker 2>probably pulled about one hundred and fifty to one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and sixty thousand items, and we've yet not been able

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<v Speaker 2>to find everything that's been requested. And I said, he's

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<v Speaker 2>going to start coming this way, so we're gonna need

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<v Speaker 2>to start walking back this way.

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<v Speaker 3>While searching the archives, I came across several news stories

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<v Speaker 3>involving strange leads. This one in particular caught my attention.

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<v Speaker 3>According to FBI documents, on January eighth, nineteen eighty one,

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<v Speaker 3>an anonymous white male called the Rochdale County Sheriff's Department

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<v Speaker 3>claiming that he placed the body of Luby Jeter out

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<v Speaker 3>on Sigmund Road. Then he threatened to leave the body

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<v Speaker 3>of another child, but this time the child would be white.

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<v Speaker 12>An unidentified man who has been calling the Rochdale County

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<v Speaker 12>Sheriff's Department for the last few weeks.

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<v Speaker 3>That man has told deputies.

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<v Speaker 12>They could find Atlanta's missing children on Sigmund Road, and

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<v Speaker 12>we've learned that recently he's also called and said he

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<v Speaker 12>was going to harm some of the children in this neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 12>When the Rockdale County Sheriff's Department arrived at the scene

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<v Speaker 12>this morning, all they knew was they had something already

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<v Speaker 12>very familiar to Atlanta investigators, the body of a black

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<v Speaker 12>mail around fourteen years old line just off Sigmund Road.

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<v Speaker 12>There was no apparent sign of a strug. Sheriff Vic

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<v Speaker 12>Davis would only say today his department and the others

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<v Speaker 12>involved are again very interested in tape conversations with an

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<v Speaker 12>unidentified male caller, the most recent call coming the day

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<v Speaker 12>before the body was found. The man told Rochdale deputies

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<v Speaker 12>victims could be found along Sigmund Road.

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<v Speaker 3>Someone was calling the local sheriff's department claiming to be

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<v Speaker 3>the killer, even declaring where the next body would be found,

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<v Speaker 3>but it seemed at that time the police didn't give

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<v Speaker 3>this much merit.

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<v Speaker 17>Some detectives say, since this latest body was found so

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<v Speaker 17>far from Atlanta, they may be dealing with the copycat murderer,

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<v Speaker 17>or they say the killer or killers may have known

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<v Speaker 17>that the Rochdale sheriff was receiving crank calls about the

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<v Speaker 17>missing and murdered children and so just decided to dump

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<v Speaker 17>a body here to taunt police.

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<v Speaker 22>We're taking a closer look at the calls at this time,

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<v Speaker 22>but we still feel that maybe just the publicity drew

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<v Speaker 22>the actual killer to this area to dump a.

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<v Speaker 12>Body Sheriff Vic Davis hopes today's discovery and the calls

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<v Speaker 12>are just coincidental.

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<v Speaker 3>Then I found another story. The video was of a

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<v Speaker 3>live newscast featuring a church minister in Atlanta named Earl Polk.

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<v Speaker 3>He voluntarily called into a local news station to present

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<v Speaker 3>this story, and he was making some very eerie claims

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<v Speaker 3>his alleged interaction with the Atlanta child murderer.

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<v Speaker 23>I have received several calls from a person identifying himself

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<v Speaker 23>as the one responsible for these crimes.

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<v Speaker 15>I did notify the authorities, but I should like.

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<v Speaker 23>To remind you that I stand readed a minister to you,

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<v Speaker 23>and we are protected and covered by the Constitution of

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<v Speaker 23>the United States of America. I stand ready to be

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<v Speaker 23>directed by you as to a place of meeting. I

0:28:46.560 --> 0:28:49.600
<v Speaker 23>will minister to your needs, and you will be protected,

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<v Speaker 23>and you will be covered.

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<v Speaker 18>For one thing, the voice on the phone was not

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<v Speaker 18>the same one that has called before, so Polk says

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<v Speaker 18>his first step was to determine how much.

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<v Speaker 15>The man knew many of the children are crimes are

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<v Speaker 15>you involved in? He said, well, let's put it this way.

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<v Speaker 15>The first three somebody helped me with them. I said, well,

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<v Speaker 15>is he not helping any longer.

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<v Speaker 8>He said no.

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<v Speaker 15>I said why did he quit? He said, well he

0:29:15.280 --> 0:29:17.280
<v Speaker 15>got afraid, I mean his wife got afraid, and he

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<v Speaker 15>left town.

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<v Speaker 18>Paulk says the man told him he could prove he

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<v Speaker 18>was the killer because he could show Paulk a piece

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<v Speaker 18>of clothing belonging to Curtis Walker. Walker's body was found

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<v Speaker 18>just two weeks ago in a river about a quarter

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<v Speaker 18>mile from Paulk's church.

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<v Speaker 15>So I said, tell me how you got the kids

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<v Speaker 15>to get in your car. He said, well, I've got

0:29:35.360 --> 0:29:38.480
<v Speaker 15>a van, and he says, I tell him I've got

0:29:38.520 --> 0:29:41.200
<v Speaker 15>paint jobs to do, and they get into in the

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<v Speaker 15>van to go to paint.

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<v Speaker 18>Paulk then questioned the man about his motives.

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<v Speaker 15>I said, well, what makes you do this? What what

0:29:48.760 --> 0:29:51.120
<v Speaker 15>caused you to do these crimes? Could you tell me that?

0:29:51.280 --> 0:29:54.040
<v Speaker 15>He said, well, I'm I'm impelled or I'm controlled or

0:29:54.080 --> 0:29:57.040
<v Speaker 15>forced by voices to do it. I said, well, why

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<v Speaker 15>are you calling me now? Are the voices really to

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<v Speaker 15>so you could call me? He says, well, I don't

0:30:02.760 --> 0:30:06.840
<v Speaker 15>hear the voices right now. I said, why are you

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<v Speaker 15>turning yourself in or why are you wanting to come

0:30:08.720 --> 0:30:10.840
<v Speaker 15>see me now? He said, well, I'm tired of running,

0:30:11.480 --> 0:30:14.240
<v Speaker 15>I'm out of money, and my wife is afraid.

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<v Speaker 18>The man told Paulk he was speaking from or near

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<v Speaker 18>a pub on Ponsta Leon Avenue. Paulk then asked him

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<v Speaker 18>if they could meet at his church on Flat Shoals Road,

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<v Speaker 18>and the man agreed. About a half hour later, a

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<v Speaker 18>van pulled into the parking lot across the street, but

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<v Speaker 18>immediately sped off. Paulk says he thinks the man spotted

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<v Speaker 18>some police cars at a nearby shopping center and may

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<v Speaker 18>have thought he was walking into a trap.

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<v Speaker 15>My purpose of even telling the story was hopefully that

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<v Speaker 15>he would know that there was no trap set up,

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<v Speaker 15>and that per chance he may yet try to make contact.

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<v Speaker 3>After hearing the many stories from the FBI and looking

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<v Speaker 3>back on the news archives, I started to get a

0:30:52.560 --> 0:30:54.560
<v Speaker 3>sense of how the general public must have felt in

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen eighty, completely confused an incriminating Playboy magazine, psychic involvement,

0:31:01.160 --> 0:31:05.000
<v Speaker 3>bizarre phone calls, in that mysterious composite sketch of a

0:31:05.000 --> 0:31:07.800
<v Speaker 3>black guy with bushy hair, but none of it was

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<v Speaker 3>amounting to anything. The media coverage of Atlanta's hunt for

0:31:11.240 --> 0:31:14.480
<v Speaker 3>a serial killer was gripping the entire nation. But things

0:31:14.520 --> 0:31:17.600
<v Speaker 3>were about to change when a local Atlanta policeman found

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<v Speaker 3>what appeared to be the first signs of physical evidence.

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<v Speaker 24>We had a body, a young young boy, on the

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<v Speaker 24>behind a building, and we found a fiber on him,

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<v Speaker 24>just a one fiber.

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<v Speaker 3>You guys.

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<v Speaker 8>Yes, And.

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<v Speaker 24>I removed it off of his shirt, and I think

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<v Speaker 24>it was blue, maybe a quarter of inch long. It

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<v Speaker 24>looked like a maybe a sweater or a blanket or something,

0:31:47.240 --> 0:31:50.600
<v Speaker 24>just a piece of lent. Took the fiber to the

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<v Speaker 24>crime lab. That information leaked out through high ranking people

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<v Speaker 24>to the media and lo and behold, it wasn't me,

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<v Speaker 24>you know, and they were putting anything they can grasp.

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<v Speaker 24>The media were at that time, you're talking about vultures.

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<v Speaker 24>I mean, everybody wanted to be the one to know

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<v Speaker 24>the little tidbit that nobody else knew.

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<v Speaker 6>The Atlanta Journal came out in early February with a

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<v Speaker 6>story the police are finding hairs and fibers on the victim.

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<v Speaker 7>Well guess where the next victim wound up? Stripped it

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<v Speaker 7>in the river.

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<v Speaker 6>And we were getting victims every ten days.

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<v Speaker 8>We're starting to see bodies in several different counties. We

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<v Speaker 8>probably need to come up with a method, or come

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<v Speaker 8>up with an idea or a thought to where we

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<v Speaker 8>can at least direct this guy, you know, keep him

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<v Speaker 8>from spreading bodies everywhere in hopes of course he's catching him.

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<v Speaker 6>What I thought was the dumbest idea I ever heard

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<v Speaker 6>when Mike Mcombs and his partner Larry Ellington came to

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<v Speaker 6>me and says, we got an idea. And I said, Okay,

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<v Speaker 6>what's your idea? And they said, we want to cover

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<v Speaker 6>the bridge. Its because it's obvious he's throwing a body

0:33:06.440 --> 0:33:09.000
<v Speaker 6>off bridge. And I said, why is that obvious? I

0:33:09.000 --> 0:33:10.880
<v Speaker 6>didn't know at the time. Macomas grew up in a

0:33:10.920 --> 0:33:13.080
<v Speaker 6>small town in Tennessee on a river, and I grew

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<v Speaker 6>up in New York City.

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<v Speaker 7>We didn't know what rivers were.

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<v Speaker 8>The reason is I don't think he would drive down

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<v Speaker 8>to the river because the chances are getting caught. And

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<v Speaker 8>besides that, I was raised on a river in East Tennessee,

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<v Speaker 8>and I know that gets something to float down the river,

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<v Speaker 8>you've got to get it out in the middle of

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<v Speaker 8>the water or you stand a good chance it say

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<v Speaker 8>it's going to come right back to this, to the bank.

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<v Speaker 6>He knew that if you threw something from the shore,

0:33:37.000 --> 0:33:39.840
<v Speaker 6>it eventually floats back to land. But if you throw

0:33:39.920 --> 0:33:41.920
<v Speaker 6>something off of a bridge in the middle of the river,

0:33:42.200 --> 0:33:45.200
<v Speaker 6>it'll float down the river. And I says, how do

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<v Speaker 6>you know which bridge? He said, well, we're going.

0:33:47.360 --> 0:33:48.920
<v Speaker 7>To pick fourteen. I said, hey, you know you're going

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<v Speaker 7>to pick the right, right one.

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<v Speaker 6>And he looked at me and said, you got a

0:33:52.080 --> 0:34:01.360
<v Speaker 6>better idea, dumb shit, And I said not. At the moment, there.

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<v Speaker 8>Was two rivers, and there was the South River and

0:34:04.440 --> 0:34:08.839
<v Speaker 8>the Chattahoochee River, and I recommended that we stake those

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<v Speaker 8>out the bridges because I felt that that was how

0:34:13.400 --> 0:34:16.640
<v Speaker 8>he was getting the bodies into the water, was throwing

0:34:16.680 --> 0:34:18.680
<v Speaker 8>them off river bridges, because it would be quick, it'd

0:34:18.719 --> 0:34:21.000
<v Speaker 8>be fast, he would get them in the water, and

0:34:21.040 --> 0:34:22.759
<v Speaker 8>there was a good chance they would float down stream

0:34:22.840 --> 0:34:26.879
<v Speaker 8>quite aways from my idea. I got rewarded of kind

0:34:26.880 --> 0:34:30.440
<v Speaker 8>of supervising the detail. It was started every night around

0:34:30.440 --> 0:34:33.359
<v Speaker 8>six pm, and we quit every morning at about six.

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<v Speaker 6>It started toward the end of April, first of May,

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<v Speaker 6>and we gave them thirty days, and we actually about

0:34:40.600 --> 0:34:42.719
<v Speaker 6>one hundred and forty people totally because we had a

0:34:42.800 --> 0:34:46.040
<v Speaker 6>cover all night, and we had a cover of weekends,

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<v Speaker 6>so we had one hundred and forty people assigned.

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<v Speaker 8>And we were burning one hundred and forty bodies a

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<v Speaker 8>night too, because we had so many bridges on the

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<v Speaker 8>South River and so many bridges on the Chattahoochee River.

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<v Speaker 8>And what we did was is we had to people

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<v Speaker 8>on the ground under one side of the bridge, two

0:35:04.160 --> 0:35:06.000
<v Speaker 8>people on the other, and then we had two chase

0:35:06.040 --> 0:35:10.680
<v Speaker 8>cars per bridge, so if anybody dropped something in the

0:35:10.719 --> 0:35:15.120
<v Speaker 8>people underneath would notify the chase cars. And that's the

0:35:15.120 --> 0:35:19.160
<v Speaker 8>way it happened. It was quite taxing. I mean, I mean,

0:35:19.200 --> 0:35:21.960
<v Speaker 8>you're going seven days a week, twelve hours a day.

0:35:22.080 --> 0:35:25.160
<v Speaker 8>It's tough. I was single. The married guys, I don't

0:35:25.160 --> 0:35:26.880
<v Speaker 8>know how with families, I don't know how they did it.

0:35:26.920 --> 0:35:29.760
<v Speaker 8>But I was single at the time, so it didn't

0:35:29.800 --> 0:35:33.840
<v Speaker 8>really have that much of an effect on my home life.

0:35:33.880 --> 0:35:37.320
<v Speaker 8>Of course, social life, yeah, but not the home life.

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<v Speaker 8>But like I said, we were using one hundred and

0:35:39.640 --> 0:35:42.560
<v Speaker 8>forty bodies a night. As a matter of fact, there

0:35:42.560 --> 0:35:44.319
<v Speaker 8>were so many bodies that we had to go to

0:35:44.360 --> 0:35:47.760
<v Speaker 8>the police Academy and they gave us several recruit classes

0:35:47.800 --> 0:35:49.799
<v Speaker 8>that hadn't graduated yet, so the only thing they were

0:35:49.840 --> 0:35:52.480
<v Speaker 8>allowed to carry was batons and flashlights because they weren't

0:35:52.520 --> 0:35:55.800
<v Speaker 8>qualified on firearms. So, I mean, that's how many bodies

0:35:55.800 --> 0:35:57.880
<v Speaker 8>we were burning, and that's why they decided that it

0:35:57.920 --> 0:35:59.640
<v Speaker 8>was going to have to come to an end, because

0:35:59.680 --> 0:36:03.080
<v Speaker 8>we were just really wearing out man hours and nothing

0:36:03.160 --> 0:36:03.759
<v Speaker 8>came of it.

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<v Speaker 3>As an officer with the APD at that time, Mike

0:36:07.280 --> 0:36:10.480
<v Speaker 3>Tovey remembers this bridge steakout, and.

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<v Speaker 25>We had just about every bridge, I think every bridge

0:36:14.040 --> 0:36:18.279
<v Speaker 25>in Atlanta area covered. They canceled our off days and

0:36:18.320 --> 0:36:23.160
<v Speaker 25>we worked ungodly hours like five to five in the morning,

0:36:23.560 --> 0:36:26.480
<v Speaker 25>no off days, and we had people under the bridge,

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<v Speaker 25>we had people on the water posed as fishermen, and

0:36:31.280 --> 0:36:34.960
<v Speaker 25>just about every bridge in Atlanta and even Fulton County

0:36:35.640 --> 0:36:39.120
<v Speaker 25>we patrolled it in rafts. We had our guns in

0:36:39.160 --> 0:36:42.200
<v Speaker 25>the boat with us, and really we were just grasping

0:36:42.200 --> 0:36:44.760
<v Speaker 25>that straws. But it was apparent these bodies were coming

0:36:44.760 --> 0:36:45.520
<v Speaker 25>over the bridge.

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<v Speaker 3>On the very last night of the bridge steakout, something

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<v Speaker 3>happened that would change the course of their investigation forever.

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<v Speaker 7>Last night, last bridge.

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<v Speaker 8>That night we set up knowing this this would be

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<v Speaker 8>the last day, I had about six or eight bridges.

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<v Speaker 8>I can't remember that. I kind of kept an eye

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<v Speaker 8>on and if anybody had any problems, or if somebody

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<v Speaker 8>didn't show up, or you know, logistical problems, whatever happened,

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<v Speaker 8>and I was to be notified regardless. I was at

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<v Speaker 8>a small bridge south and I heard some radio traffic,

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<v Speaker 8>and at the time, our radios weren't as good as

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<v Speaker 8>they are today. And I remember getting on the radio

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<v Speaker 8>and asking, you know, what's what's going on? And all

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<v Speaker 8>I heard was something about is splash. I had a

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<v Speaker 8>seventy seven Forward LTD with a four hundred big block

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<v Speaker 8>in it, and I can tell you I scorched tires

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<v Speaker 8>getting up there because I said something's happening and I

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<v Speaker 8>just felt it. We went racing to the James Jackson

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<v Speaker 8>Bridge and as I was heading that way, the traffic

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<v Speaker 8>started coming in a little clear because I was getting closer.

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<v Speaker 8>The gist of the story was is that the splash

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<v Speaker 8>was heard by the police cadets, the guys that had

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<v Speaker 8>to leave the academy early to work with us. We

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<v Speaker 8>had two people under both sides of the bridge, and

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<v Speaker 8>of course we kept them hidden out so that they

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<v Speaker 8>brought everything they needed for the night because they weren't

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<v Speaker 8>going anywhere. And then in close proximity, we had a

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<v Speaker 8>chase car on each side of the bridge, and they

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<v Speaker 8>too blended in so that they couldn't be seen. When

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<v Speaker 8>they looked up on the bridge from under it to

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<v Speaker 8>see what caused the splash. The car appeared to be

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<v Speaker 8>just starting up again like it had been stopped, and

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<v Speaker 8>it was going two or three miles an hour. Then

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<v Speaker 8>crossed the bridge, circled around I think a convenience store.

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<v Speaker 8>Then as he came back and that's when our cars

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<v Speaker 8>tagged him. We went up the Excerpt ramp, went across

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<v Speaker 8>the bridge and then went down, saw the cars sitting

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<v Speaker 8>on the other side. They were on the south bound

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<v Speaker 8>side and we were heading north and I saw that

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<v Speaker 8>there was several blue lights over there with a white

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<v Speaker 8>station wagon that was pulled over. Since I was supervising

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<v Speaker 8>it and I had the ranking Atlanta police officer on

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<v Speaker 8>scene with me, when we got there, we were immediately briefed.

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<v Speaker 8>I asked, did to get his ID? And they said yes.

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<v Speaker 8>He was still sitting in his car and I still

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<v Speaker 8>had my composite sketch and I pulled it out had

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<v Speaker 8>these little glasses on, and I drew the glasses and

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<v Speaker 8>I held it up and I said, anybody recognized this guy?

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<v Speaker 8>And that was Wayne Williams to the tea. I mean

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<v Speaker 8>it just it was just Wayne.

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<v Speaker 3>Next time on Atlanta Monster, it was the pre dawn

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<v Speaker 3>hours of May twenty second.

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<v Speaker 12>The Atlanta Police Bureau and the FBI had been staking

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<v Speaker 12>up bridges along the Chattahoochee River for the last two

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<v Speaker 12>months and Atlanta recruit heard a splash. Several radio messages

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<v Speaker 12>and a flurry of activities soon had a car stopped

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<v Speaker 12>and it was twenty three year old Wayne Williams. People

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<v Speaker 12>who know Williams say he is a highly intelligent young man,

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<v Speaker 12>a good student when he was in school.

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<v Speaker 8>I went up to him and identified myself as special

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<v Speaker 8>Agent the FBI, and I asked him immediately if he

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<v Speaker 8>knew why he was being pulled over, and he said, yes,

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<v Speaker 8>it's probably because about those kids that are missing. Kind

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<v Speaker 8>of surprised me. That was an unusual answer.

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<v Speaker 26>I thought, it's like, idep, you want to go to

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<v Speaker 26>this you rabbit hole is very, very very deep.

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<v Speaker 7>Ah?

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<v Speaker 6>When I was in Memphis a first office agent, brand

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<v Speaker 6>new out of the FBI Academy, Andy was my training agent.

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<v Speaker 6>Andy was about seven or eight years older than me,

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<v Speaker 6>a little more experience than the bureau. And Andy had

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<v Speaker 6>a three year old daughter, Karen, who's.

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<v Speaker 7>Now in the fifties. And she couldn't say the last

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<v Speaker 7>name Procopio. What came out was popcorn. She called me popcorn,

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<v Speaker 7>mister popcorn, and it stuck.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you like popcorn?

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<v Speaker 7>Sure,