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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome home, y'all. This is episode forty four.
Speaker 3: Of Native Lamppod.
Speaker 1: I am happy to be joined again by my amazing
Speaker 1: co host Tiffany Cross Andrew Yillom, and of course I'm
Speaker 1: angela raie. We have so much to get into today,
Speaker 1: and I just I want to start with the thing
Speaker 1: that is near and dear on my heart. I know
Speaker 1: you guys have topics as well. It is the hurricane,
Speaker 1: the hurricanes and the responses that exist, of course, the
Speaker 1: systemic and structural racism that exists in this country making
Speaker 1: relief so difficult.
Speaker 3: Andrew, tiff what do you guys have?
Speaker 4: Andrew?
Speaker 2: Go ahead, all right, Sis one shout out to the
Speaker 2: ink Well, Martha Zen, you know, for y'all classic people.
Speaker 2: But on my end, I'm also thinking about obviously folks
Speaker 2: on the storm. But for me, I want to talk
Speaker 2: about the lies that's carrying us into November.
Speaker 4: Well, that goes into what was hav a young Angelo's
Speaker 4: heart with the hurricane stuff as well, So looking forward
Speaker 4: to getting into that. I want to tell you guys,
Speaker 4: something that happened to me over the weekend or that
Speaker 4: I experienced. I should say I had a bunch of
Speaker 4: speaking gigs and I had a really unsettling exchange I'll
Speaker 4: say on this week that I'll tell you about and
Speaker 4: curious your thoughts on how you all would have handled it.
Speaker 4: So stay tuned for that.
Speaker 1: Absolutely love it. Thank you all so much. I know
Speaker 1: that we have a lot to get into. I don't
Speaker 1: know what we want to hit first. Of course, the
Speaker 1: hurricane is top of mine for me.
Speaker 3: I don't know if first Okay, So.
Speaker 1: You know one of the things that I was talking
Speaker 1: to you guys about on the pre pro call earlier
Speaker 1: is how heavy this was feeling to me and the
Speaker 1: reason for it, uh, I really believe was hearing this
Speaker 1: caller on the Breakfast Club this morning.
Speaker 3: Of course, we record our show, so this would have
Speaker 3: this would.
Speaker 1: Have aired on Wednesday, and it literally triggered me back
Speaker 1: to Katrina.
Speaker 3: Let's roll that sound, yo.
Speaker 5: Man, it's calling from Tampa.
Speaker 2: Man, tune from Tampa.
Speaker 6: What's up?
Speaker 7: Brother?
Speaker 2: How is everything out there?
Speaker 5: It looked like right right now here be win But
Speaker 5: I'm gonna just keep it a buck man.
Speaker 3: That way is that man, ye'ah gonna see you all
Speaker 3: right in the middle of it.
Speaker 8: The eye gonna hit, the eyes hitting Tampa from what
Speaker 8: the map shows right now.
Speaker 5: Man, Bro my heart, Bro, I'm scared, man. And then
Speaker 5: we still we still recover from Allen and it's like, Bro,
Speaker 5: I want to get this chest.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 5: This government is planning in our faces.
Speaker 9: Man.
Speaker 5: It don't matter if it's Republic with Democrats, they planning
Speaker 5: our faces.
Speaker 7: Bro.
Speaker 9: You get Ukraine, come over here, they get what they want.
Speaker 9: You can immigrants come over here, they get what they want.
Speaker 9: And you got people being to not these female applications
Speaker 9: that you're talking about the other day, Charlotte mane fear
Speaker 9: to not, Bro. But you're getting these micros coming over here.
Speaker 9: Two thousand dollars fools stuff.
Speaker 5: Bro, Like you're goddamn.
Speaker 9: Five thousand dollars pass.
Speaker 5: Man, this ship harder Bro, we put we put it.
Speaker 5: Get ready Damn there God Bro.
Speaker 9: A lot of people couldn't afford to evacuates, and it's
Speaker 9: coming playing.
Speaker 1: Enough, Man, I wanted to play that at first. Let's
Speaker 1: just acknowledge there are two things at play here. There
Speaker 1: are feelings and there are facts. And I think that
Speaker 1: it is so important that we do not bypass the
Speaker 1: feelings for the facts. I also think it is increasingly
Speaker 1: important because misinformation will kill you. Do not let misinformation
Speaker 1: kill you. We have to get to the facts. But
Speaker 1: what is fair game? What is what is deep and
Speaker 1: entrenched in what this man is saying? And my favorite
Speaker 1: book in the world is Invisible Man. And it's not
Speaker 1: because I enjoy blackness being treated as if it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: That is okay for us to be voiceless, That is
Speaker 1: okay for us to be an afterthought. It is not
Speaker 1: on any turn, ever, But I just have to say,
Speaker 1: hearing this man, like what was replaying in my mind
Speaker 1: are black folks on rooftops when the levees broke?
Speaker 3: What happened in like in Katrina?
Speaker 1: And the fact that there are so many other places
Speaker 1: that are not natural disasters, some that are man made
Speaker 1: that our government struggles to respond to in real time,
Speaker 1: Like why did it take a George Floyd to die
Speaker 1: for companies to commit the resources that.
Speaker 3: Are well deserved?
Speaker 1: Why is it taking Congress years and years to ever
Speaker 1: consider even the study of reparations? What is real and
Speaker 1: what he's feeling is that we are invisible, and we
Speaker 1: are voiceless, but yet we carry this shit on our.
Speaker 3: Backs and have since sixteen nineteen. That is not fair.
Speaker 1: But what is also really really hard, y'all, because of
Speaker 1: the spaces that we occupy, is we've worked diligently on
Speaker 1: a micro level, on a macro level, and everything in
Speaker 1: between to be the first responders.
Speaker 3: Andrew, you served in elected office. You chose to go.
Speaker 1: Into public service to change not just the tone and
Speaker 1: the tenor of politics, but to change that response, to
Speaker 1: change how we feel about systems that we pay into
Speaker 1: that are supposed to be serving us.
Speaker 3: But don't you know there is there's this convergence of feelings.
Speaker 1: Honestly, immediately, I felt defensive for Kamala, you know. I
Speaker 1: felt protective of the folks who I just spent time
Speaker 1: with on Friday, the African American Mayor's Associations, the folks
Speaker 1: who I know are doing the work, and also the
Speaker 1: folks that are in my family who don't know who
Speaker 1: to call when the levees break and when stuff goes down.
Speaker 3: I am feeling like all of.
Speaker 1: Those emotions at once, because the feelings are real, but
Speaker 1: are There is relief and it's not enough relief, But
Speaker 1: I don't want somebody to die because they didn't think
Speaker 1: there was no relief at all. So I'm feeling the
Speaker 1: frustration of all that. My tears are tears of frustration
Speaker 1: that the place where I chose to lean into for work,
Speaker 1: the place where I chose to lean into for work,
Speaker 1: still doesn't have all the solutions.
Speaker 3: And I know it doesn't get better if our folks
Speaker 3: don't lean in to make it better.
Speaker 1: And yet it's still so hard to ask folks to
Speaker 1: lean in to make it better when it just is
Speaker 1: not right.
Speaker 3: And so there is all of that.
Speaker 1: I do want to cot correct the misinformation too, but
Speaker 1: I just want to sit with the emotion of what
Speaker 1: is for a minute, so we don't bypass it because
Speaker 1: we've been trained right to pass it. Tiff you as
Speaker 1: a journalist, Andrew you as elected official, me as a
Speaker 1: former Hill staffer, we've been trained to bypass so we
Speaker 1: could get to the solutions. And yet then that's how
Speaker 1: the people end up feeling like they don't matter. So
Speaker 1: they do matter, and we do feel it. And also right,
Speaker 1: there's all this other stuff at stake.
Speaker 2: Anyway, No, Angela, I don't don't any way, Yeah, don't
Speaker 2: anyway yet because I think I just wanted to breathe
Speaker 2: a minute, because everything's so heavy right now. Everything is
Speaker 2: so heavy, and as I think about the storm that's
Speaker 2: barreling down, as you know, this is now Thursday, Thursday,
Speaker 2: the impacts of the storm, and I think about the call,
Speaker 2: and it's so loaded with so much. But I'm gonna
Speaker 2: choose not to try to unpack that and just sit
Speaker 2: with the reality that all of us know, from government
Speaker 2: to us giving our life experience, to the folks in
Speaker 2: Tampa and the path of this storm, is that there
Speaker 2: is always a forgotten people. And I'm so sick of
Speaker 2: being the exact reflection of the folks who were forgotten.
Speaker 2: And it doesn't always it doesn't always have to be
Speaker 2: this way. In fact, it could be radically different, but
Speaker 2: it takes us taking some steps in the direction to
Speaker 2: make it radically different. But just to say this about
Speaker 2: the folks who were in the impacted areas, is that
Speaker 2: these evacuation orders come down, y'all, and nobody ever thinks
Speaker 2: about who's going to put gas in the car to
Speaker 2: get that family out of harm's way. We just issue
Speaker 2: evacuations and we make light of the fact that folks
Speaker 2: will just get in their car and pull out of
Speaker 2: their driveway and ride up I ninety five, up I
Speaker 2: ten seventy five, and get their family gone. I have
Speaker 2: friends who sent their folks on planes out of their right,
Speaker 2: but that isn't everybody's lived experience. When I think about Katrina,
Speaker 2: I think back to the fact that folks like well, well,
Speaker 2: there were their evacuations. Why did they stay, Well, they
Speaker 2: stayed because they didn't have a goddamn choice. What were
Speaker 2: they going to do? Hop on the highway and run
Speaker 2: out of gas halfway. That's not how it works, y'all.
Speaker 2: And so and the truth is the government and others
Speaker 2: have made developments and growth, so they now send buses
Speaker 2: and uber and lifts, send free rides to the shelters.
Speaker 2: But a lot of folks don't trust those places. Their kids,
Speaker 2: their families, their loved ones in such big, voluminous places,
Speaker 2: and you can't assure it to the protection of your folks.
Speaker 2: Last night, y'all, I went out and grabbed something to
Speaker 2: eat late because I fed the kids some corn dolls
Speaker 2: or something, and I wanted some different. And I got
Speaker 2: to the restaurant and I noticed that next to it
Speaker 2: is an old mall that we have here in town.
Speaker 2: And there were cars at ten o'clock at night in
Speaker 2: this place. And so as I was leaving, I looked
Speaker 2: over and I realized these folks had gotten out of
Speaker 2: the car, and there's like four people and they're sitting
Speaker 2: on the trunk and they're just chatting, and the same
Speaker 2: thing next to them, and the same thing next to me,
Speaker 2: and another folks are laid up in the car. And
Speaker 2: I'm realizing, these folks evacuate. They did whatever they could.
Speaker 2: They ain't had no hotel. They got in their car,
Speaker 2: they packed their kids and their family, and they tried
Speaker 2: to get them out of harms way. And they're choosing
Speaker 2: to sit in a parking lot because they can assure
Speaker 2: that at least here or the storm's not coming. But two,
Speaker 2: I can protect my family. I can keep them safe, right,
Speaker 2: And my heart breaks for that. But it also underscores
Speaker 2: what you're getting at here, which is we have to
Speaker 2: consider everybody when we're thinking about these impact events that
Speaker 2: none of us chose. None of us chose, we didn't
Speaker 2: sit ourselves in the eye of a storm. So there's
Speaker 2: a lie here, y'all, I know it. I just want
Speaker 2: to quickly respond to you, Angela, your emotions are well sued.
Speaker 2: That you're fitted because you carry the weight. Many of
Speaker 2: us carry the weight on us, and then we don't
Speaker 2: give it release and the release is true. We can
Speaker 2: support Kamala, Harrison and Biden administration, but also understand that
Speaker 2: there's merit to the fact that systems are structurally racist
Speaker 2: and don't consider poor people largely. And those are the
Speaker 2: ones we see under bridges, crossing bridges, thing in sheltersom
Speaker 2: we've just been ripped off. The stalls don't work, ain't
Speaker 2: no food to be had. So that's my thought. Man,
Speaker 2: I'm just there's a lot, there's a lot here.
Speaker 4: I remember I was a reporting producer during Katrinas. I
Speaker 4: was on ground when all this was happening, and I
Speaker 4: always thought when we would see this coverage and they
Speaker 4: would say, please evacuate, please leave, and I always thought, well,
Speaker 4: where do people go? I think the presumption sometimes is
Speaker 4: that you know people have resources, so like you have money,
Speaker 4: you can go hop on a plane, you can go
Speaker 4: get a hotel, you have an RV sitting outside, you've
Speaker 4: got generators in your capacity, And the reality is like
Speaker 4: if I had to evacuate at that age, my family
Speaker 4: wouldn't have had any of those things, any kind of
Speaker 4: resources being on ground in Lake Charles, Louisiana. And we
Speaker 4: were driving back and forth between Louisiana and Houston, just
Speaker 4: watching the rescue efforts and interviewing people, and I was
Speaker 4: mostly talking to young kids, and I don't think there
Speaker 4: was an appreciation for the lack of resources for people.
Speaker 1: One.
Speaker 4: Two, what home ownership means to a pocket of black
Speaker 4: people in this country. I know for a lot of
Speaker 4: younger people it's different, right, you know, that's not the
Speaker 4: only path of building wealth or financial comfort. But for
Speaker 4: old black folks who had nothing, and they took everything
Speaker 4: they could to build a home for their families. Even
Speaker 4: if that home looks like a shack now, if even
Speaker 4: it's breaking down, it's theirs. It was something they own
Speaker 4: in a country that denied them everything. This was what
Speaker 4: they built. And to tell them to leave their home,
Speaker 4: even if it meant they had to die in it,
Speaker 4: they weren't going to do that. And I so understand
Speaker 4: that thought and that sentiment. And so now when you
Speaker 4: see people who are hesitant to leave their home leave
Speaker 4: their things, I understand that thought. I really do you know?
Speaker 4: And I'm glad that you made the point about their
Speaker 4: facts and their feelings, because not only can we look
Speaker 4: past feelings with other people, because I heard a lot
Speaker 4: of misinformation in that caller's sentiments, but we can look
Speaker 4: past our own feelings, you know, like we don't even
Speaker 4: give ourselves a moment to feel what we felt, because
Speaker 4: we immediately go into do ain't no time to feel,
Speaker 4: It's only time to do?
Speaker 3: No time?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Latasha, I think I may. I can't remember if
Speaker 4: I said this on this podcast, but I've certainly talked
Speaker 4: about this publicly. Latasha Brown was honored. She and Cliff
Speaker 4: all Bright with Black Voters Matter, and forgive me if
Speaker 4: this is redundant, but she and Cliff were on their way.
Speaker 4: They were mobilizing in North Carolina. This is after Helene,
Speaker 4: and they were taking generators to people and people might ask, well,
Speaker 4: why would a voting rights group be taken generators? And
Speaker 4: she said, because I don't want someone to say, where
Speaker 4: were you when I needed Jordan Katrina happened, Nobody called
Speaker 4: Latasha and said I need can you? She just jumped
Speaker 4: out there and did it. And one thing she says
Speaker 4: she learned is hard to transport water. So I just
Speaker 4: you know, I want to acknowledge the people who are
Speaker 4: in the path of harm's way. But I do think
Speaker 4: it's important to get into some of this misinformation and
Speaker 4: how it has penetrated our communities. So I think we
Speaker 4: might be coming up on a break and to correct
Speaker 4: me if I'm wrong. Yeah, So maybe on the other
Speaker 4: side we can get into why this misinformation is harmful
Speaker 4: and to your point, can literally kill.
Speaker 1: And before we go to break, I want to play
Speaker 1: the poem from this gentleman who survived Katrina to take
Speaker 1: us to break.
Speaker 4: Nick.
Speaker 6: I was there storms like Hurricane Katrina historically area.
Speaker 10: I was there, but we stood in very long lines.
Speaker 10: It was a desperate time. I ain't let him forget
Speaker 10: this why I wrote these rhymes. A bottle of hot water,
Speaker 10: a ride almost started, shoved and pushed forward over food,
Speaker 10: a shortage, back up, backed up bathrooms and tallest drink
Speaker 10: contaminated water. Out of the Fawcett look up what the
Speaker 10: locked up actually?
Speaker 6: Member of the.
Speaker 10: National Guard, I said, why are we being held as
Speaker 10: prisoners of war? He responded, following orders martial law. Understand
Speaker 10: it felt more like Afghanistan and a rock and knock
Speaker 10: in the waters that were heroes of the storm, and
Speaker 10: those of them that went to fall.
Speaker 6: Pray for them they too best scars.
Speaker 10: Thanked the law for the Air Force and the Coast
Speaker 10: Guard that flew helicopter and rescue missus non stop.
Speaker 6: God, people and pets off of porches and rooftops. You
Speaker 6: may or may not even care.
Speaker 1: All.
Speaker 6: What's there?
Speaker 8: Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome.
Speaker 11: Welcome, well as we expected. Here are the comments from
Speaker 11: President Bush speaking at the White House after meeting with
Speaker 11: officials on Hurricane Katrina.
Speaker 7: Asked the pilot to fly over the Gulf Coast region
Speaker 7: so I could see firsthand the scope and magnitude of
Speaker 7: the devastation. The vast majority of New Orleans, Louisiana is underwater.
Speaker 7: Tens of thousands of homes and businesses are beyond repair.
Speaker 7: A lot of the Mississippi Gulf Coast has been completely destroyed.
Speaker 7: Mobile has flooded. We are dealing with one of the
Speaker 7: worst natural disasters in our nation's history, and that's why
Speaker 7: I've called the Cabinet together. The people in the affected
Speaker 7: regions expect federal government to work with the state governor
Speaker 7: and local government with an effective response.
Speaker 4: So that was Republican President George W. Bush speaking in
Speaker 4: two thousand and five on the heels of Katrina, flanked
Speaker 4: by his cabinet. There you saw him standing right next
Speaker 4: to us then Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfield. A very
Speaker 4: different time politically. The biggest political scandal that you guys
Speaker 4: remember at that time is that George Bush chose to
Speaker 4: fly over and look and he did not go on
Speaker 4: the ground. His defense at that time was he didn't
Speaker 4: want to take away the resources it would have taken
Speaker 4: for him to go on ground. However we might feel
Speaker 4: about that, But such a different time, Angela, and Andrew,
Speaker 4: given what we're dealing with now, with the level of
Speaker 4: misinformation and playing politics literally with people's lives, I am
Speaker 4: struck at how, quite frankly Republican Governor Ron DeSantis has
Speaker 4: been behaving when there are literal lives hanging in the balance. Andrew,
Speaker 4: I know this ring's very personal to you within your
Speaker 4: neck of the woods, but I just want to point
Speaker 4: out that Republican officials across the country have praised working
Speaker 4: with the Biden Harris administration. The few people who have
Speaker 4: and I only know about Ron DeSantis, but just so
Speaker 4: people know there is no effort to not give money.
Speaker 4: The administration is obviously not choosing where to spend their
Speaker 4: resources based on who's a Republican or Democrat. North Carolina
Speaker 4: Republican lawmakers have urged people to stop spreading misinformation, including
Speaker 4: Senator Kevin Corbin out of North Carolina. There is also
Speaker 4: local officials in South Carolina saying the same thing. FEMA
Speaker 4: greenlit thirty two million dollars in aid for households in
Speaker 4: North Carolina, eighty seven million dollars for Florida your neck
Speaker 4: of the woods, andrew fifty seven million dollars for South Carolina,
Speaker 4: in six hundred and thirty two thousand dollars in Tennessee.
Speaker 4: These are all states that back Donald Trump, that Donald
Speaker 4: Trump won in twenty twenty. Can we if you guys
Speaker 4: don't mind, I want to talk about this idea because
Speaker 4: I did hear the caller's pain, and I heard him
Speaker 4: reference migrants coming here. And what I appreciate that he
Speaker 4: said is this government don't care about migrants either. And
Speaker 4: I'm so happy at his moment of frustration that he
Speaker 4: was able to acknowledge that there is a I won't
Speaker 4: even call it a rumor. It's a vicious lie spread
Speaker 4: by Donald Trump, meant to weaponize communities of color. So
Speaker 4: I appreciate that he, you know, understood that there is
Speaker 4: no money from FEMA being given to migrants. That is
Speaker 4: demonstrably false, That is googlably false. That is not true.
Speaker 4: I think it's so important when you hear that.
Speaker 2: Yees correction. Can I just it was true for but
Speaker 2: it was true for Trump. He actually took FEMA money on.
Speaker 4: During his administration.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 4: I would like you to say more about that, but
Speaker 4: let me just say what's happened in Yeah, I'm in
Speaker 4: Yes I FEMA. So there is no money being diverted
Speaker 4: from FEMA to go to migrants. There is a program
Speaker 4: called the Shelter and Service Program, and there was six
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty million dollars in funding to house migrants.
Speaker 4: This was during the fiscal year of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 4: That program is not run or that money does not
Speaker 4: come out of FEMA, but FEMA does oversee that program.
Speaker 4: Where that six hundred and fifty million dollars came from
Speaker 4: was actually US Customs and Borders. FEMA just oversaw the program.
Speaker 4: But if you could andrew expand upon Donald Trump, was
Speaker 4: the person diverting FEMA reliefs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I want I apologize to interruption. I just
Speaker 2: wanted to. I did it at that time because you're
Speaker 2: you're You're right, he's he's blaming, he's projecting onto Democrats
Speaker 2: at this time. Well, he's the one who took money
Speaker 2: out of agencies. He shouldn't have been grabbing money from
Speaker 2: to UH to pay for the wall that that Mexico
Speaker 2: was going to build to undergird his anti immigrant sentiment
Speaker 2: with federal money. He couldn't negotiate out of the US Congress,
Speaker 2: so he got his agencies to ship resources around. Tiffany,
Speaker 2: You're you're getting at, like, I think really the understated
Speaker 2: part of all of this, because once I get past
Speaker 2: the pain, not just this call of but stuff that
Speaker 2: we keep hearing caricatured by Republican lawmakers. Angela, I'm thinking
Speaker 2: about your conversation on Breakfast Club the other week with
Speaker 2: Caper uh in chief out of Florida, the congressman Byron
Speaker 2: donas well. No, I don't because I think we should. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 2: we'll leave it at Caper republic racist misogynists, anti LGBT,
Speaker 2: anti equality, anti everything party. Let me put my cape on,
Speaker 2: go in and write for the Republican Party as to
Speaker 2: why they're right for the wrong that they out they're
Speaker 2: doing and spewing that aside. I don't think we pay
Speaker 2: enough attention to the amount of money that our adversaries
Speaker 2: are broad and at home right now in the form
Speaker 2: of Donald Trump, the MAGA movement and the Republican Party,
Speaker 2: and the misinformation that's being directly, directly tended and targeted
Speaker 2: to war communities of color. The federal government already in
Speaker 2: their twenty sixteen report on the Russia, China and North
Speaker 2: Korea interference in the US elections, said that what they
Speaker 2: do is that they take splinters and the US population
Speaker 2: and culture and people, the difference, you know, the grievances
Speaker 2: between black folk, white folks, so on and so forth,
Speaker 2: and then they manipulated and make it to appear outsized,
Speaker 2: so that every time you pick up your phone, why
Speaker 2: is it that I'm only getting stuff about immigrants coming
Speaker 2: in taking welfare, doing this, this, this, that, and the third. Well,
Speaker 2: that's because it's intentional and it's targeted. It's a lie,
Speaker 2: but you're getting it because there are people who are
Speaker 2: being paid, who are working full time to get it
Speaker 2: to you, and so I often I don't know if
Speaker 2: it's charity or if it is just like I hear
Speaker 2: you and I know where that's coming from. I hear him.
Speaker 2: I know where it's coming from. And it's not his
Speaker 2: own fault necessarily, because lots of cases we're unaware of
Speaker 2: the influences that are being targeted at us without our knowing,
Speaker 2: we were taking it as real information when in fact
Speaker 2: you've got the Republican Party along with foreign allies, foreign
Speaker 2: enemies of the US government, who are intentioned around creating
Speaker 2: mischief in this country so that we basically blame the
Speaker 2: wrong people. Now let me say this and I'll stop,
Speaker 2: and that is they can't manipulate where nothing is there,
Speaker 2: where nothing exists. So I don't want to gaslight anybody
Speaker 2: into thinking that they're creating issues that don't exist. Not true.
Speaker 2: There are issues. It's real. It's harmful, and it's hurtful.
Speaker 2: As you saw in the opening of this even podcast
Speaker 2: in our conversation about it, it's extremely heavy and hurtful.
Speaker 2: So I don't want to I don't want to say
Speaker 2: these things don't happen. But what I'm saying is the
Speaker 2: misinformation that is around this sentiment and our experience is
Speaker 2: being exploded and explosive off of manipulation. Yes, let's solve fema. Yes,
Speaker 2: let's solve the issues around racial uh uh uh and
Speaker 2: white supremacy in this country. But also yes, don't play
Speaker 2: the food and put people there who are the ones
Speaker 2: manipulating and moving us around on a game board like
Speaker 2: pieces for their own benefit.
Speaker 1: I want to really quickly respond to one other piece.
Speaker 1: He brought Ukraine up in response to you know, they
Speaker 1: got money for Ukraine and all this, but not for us.
Speaker 1: That is one of those moments where fillings meets facts.
Speaker 1: The reason why I want to I want to harp
Speaker 1: on this just for a moment's because I think it's
Speaker 1: important to note Congress has approved one hundred and seventy
Speaker 1: six billion dollars in.
Speaker 3: Aid to the Ukraine.
Speaker 1: Now you all know that Democrats aren't in charge at
Speaker 1: least on the House side. They are on the Senate side,
Speaker 1: so something to be said about that filibuster and the
Speaker 1: lack of movement there as well. But there was a
Speaker 1: whole fight, you all know, even while we were at
Speaker 1: ALC the Congressional black Hawks Foundation that whether or not
Speaker 1: the government was going to get shut down again. This
Speaker 1: has become the like the thing, the ball they keep
Speaker 1: slightly pushing down the field.
Speaker 3: Well, in that CR the Continuing.
Speaker 1: Resolution, Congress approved another twenty billion dollars in disaster reliefs funds,
Speaker 1: specifically to be used through December December twentieth of this year.
Speaker 3: So twenty billion.
Speaker 1: Dollars compared to one hundred and seventy six billion dollars.
Speaker 1: There's a significant gap there. There's a significant gap there.
Speaker 1: And I'm talking about go ahead, Uh huh no.
Speaker 2: I just so this is what they do. They put
Speaker 2: us in positions to act from a deficit mentality. Sure
Speaker 2: there is enough to do it all. These are the
Speaker 2: choices that the leaders there are making.
Speaker 3: I am agreeing with you.
Speaker 1: I'm saying that man's this is where that man's feelings
Speaker 1: get the facts he is seeing if he knows the numbers,
Speaker 1: and even if he doesn't know the numbers, if he
Speaker 1: just knows how he feels that they're like Katrina.
Speaker 3: They responded with helicopters from the coast Guard.
Speaker 1: After the fact, I don't want and after the facts
Speaker 1: with these people, I am crying and stress and feeling
Speaker 1: anxious because I don't want that response after the fact,
Speaker 1: that's too late.
Speaker 3: Too many lives lost, that can't happen.
Speaker 1: And to that point, Andrew, the thing that I was
Speaker 1: going to pivot to you on is you have been
Speaker 1: talking to the mayoral staff in Tampa, You've been talking
Speaker 1: to local and state elected officials and appointed folks. Can
Speaker 1: you please, for the people who might hear this and
Speaker 1: still need relief, give them the access to the resources
Speaker 1: that are available on the state level and the federal level,
Speaker 1: the immediate resources. You do know how FEMA responds and
Speaker 1: works with state and local government. It's important people to
Speaker 1: understand that. But first, can we just give them relief.
Speaker 1: We can't be saying on our podcast there's no relief.
Speaker 1: We literally know places. They can call websites, they can
Speaker 1: visit applications, they can file terrible orgs to tap into.
Speaker 3: Let's please give them that.
Speaker 1: Yes, well, of course also do that on our website,
Speaker 1: on our socials, but I want to make sure we
Speaker 1: give them that and then we can tap back into critique.
Speaker 2: And I appreciate you mentioning that. And I'm assuming for
Speaker 2: the folks who are listening at this time, this will
Speaker 2: be the time that the storm has at least moved
Speaker 2: over its point of entry into the state to Florida,
Speaker 2: and its probably moved further up the coast. But the
Speaker 2: truth is is that that's when we're going to need
Speaker 2: the attention the most. Once the storm has passed and
Speaker 2: the cameras have left. Now you've got to rebuild your house.
Speaker 2: Now you've got to bury your loved ones. Now you
Speaker 2: have to figure out how to make a way out
Speaker 2: of no way. And I'll just say so, there's plenty
Speaker 2: of resources that I could cite, but I want to
Speaker 2: just cite one in particular, and that is FEMAS. That's
Speaker 2: the agency in charge of handling national disasters. On behalf
Speaker 2: of the federal government has an Office of Civil Rights.
Speaker 2: If you feel like your community, your neighborhood, where you live,
Speaker 2: the areas that you have concern and where you need
Speaker 2: the most help is being disregarded because of who you are,
Speaker 2: where you live, the color of your skin, or any
Speaker 2: of the above and not mentioned, you have the ability
Speaker 2: to call eight three three two eight six seven four
Speaker 2: four eight. That office is available to then investigate claims
Speaker 2: and bring resolution on behalf of FEMA. Okay, And so
Speaker 2: there's a lot of there are a lot of local agencies.
Speaker 3: Does that.
Speaker 2: Obviously, stay in touch with your local governments. They will
Speaker 2: have the most updated and relevant information for you. And
Speaker 2: then finally, please visit Florida disaster dot org where very
Speaker 2: nuanced and specific information will be on that site based
Speaker 2: off of where you live. If you want to know
Speaker 2: about your county, your city, where you can go sleep
Speaker 2: out of shelter, what food resources may be available to you,
Speaker 2: that site is intended to be a catch all where
Speaker 2: you can get access to that information. And obviously through
Speaker 2: the comments and questions that you all submit, if there
Speaker 2: are elements of help that you need that we have
Speaker 2: not yet mentioned by way of a resource here, please
Speaker 2: let us know and we'll try to get that information
Speaker 2: to you.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Andrew, I want us if we
Speaker 1: can just to play this question.
Speaker 12: Hi, Nana lampod banner all the way from Atlanta, Georgia.
Speaker 12: I know last week you guys were questioning the October Surprise.
Speaker 12: If that you know what the conversation was last week,
Speaker 12: But my question is, is Helene and Milton the October Surprise?
Speaker 12: I asked, because we have people in North Carolina who
Speaker 12: are still suffering. Are they not able to request absentee ballots?
Speaker 12: Are the polling stations open? And now we have Milton
Speaker 12: who is going to have a direct hit on Florida.
Speaker 12: So will that have an effect on absentee ballot requests
Speaker 12: and polling stations if they are not up and running,
Speaker 12: if it is anticipated devastation that is being predicted.
Speaker 4: Thank you have a wonderful day. Well, I know, Andrew,
Speaker 4: you want to get to her her question because I
Speaker 4: just first say y'all, we'd love y'all sending us questions.
Speaker 4: They looked like SERI was driving or was either way
Speaker 4: either way. I mean, maybe she was, maybe she was
Speaker 4: in the best Sometimes you can't tell these things, but
Speaker 4: either way, guys, we love.
Speaker 2: You.
Speaker 4: Want to make sure that you guys are not driving
Speaker 4: while you're videoing your question.
Speaker 3: Don't drive at all, So this is real.
Speaker 4: Seriously, she gets I drove for twenty four plus years,
Speaker 4: but when I moved home, I'm saying that got rid
Speaker 4: of my car. I do drive, I just don't have
Speaker 4: my car anymore. But you don't drive when you are
Speaker 4: videan videotaping these questions anyway.
Speaker 2: Hand, that's I'm sure on the side that she was
Speaker 2: on the safe side. We'll see also because.
Speaker 3: It will be a bail fund need to be raised
Speaker 3: for Cherie if.
Speaker 2: None Angela, you remember this, But just a few weeks
Speaker 2: prior to the election, a storm came across my part
Speaker 2: of the state. I had to leave the campaign troill
Speaker 2: for a week to go intent to it. And it coincidentally, Uh,
Speaker 2: the storm went over what was a very republican part
Speaker 2: of the state, the Panhandular golf Uh coast region, and
Speaker 2: the governor was able to extend the opportunities and means
Speaker 2: of voting, and that some supervisors of elections were legitly
Speaker 2: taking people's ballots over facts a mile. I know what
Speaker 2: is a fact amole. That's the actual name to a
Speaker 2: fact machine.
Speaker 4: Saying that extra.
Speaker 3: It's not called a fact simile.
Speaker 4: I say fact simile. But Andrew is so extra.
Speaker 2: So after French version of Andrew, no I did it
Speaker 2: for emphasis That is like they voted be a what right?
Speaker 3: Yeah said that wrong?
Speaker 2: No I did it for I did okay, which, hey,
Speaker 2: believe what you want to believe, whichever side. The point
Speaker 2: is is that the local the way elections work in
Speaker 2: this country is typically headed by counties and county supervisor
Speaker 2: elected provisions have a lot of officials have a lot
Speaker 2: of room in which they are able to ensure that
Speaker 2: the vote that they want in their counties gets cast
Speaker 2: and gets counted. And so I would say, at least
Speaker 2: in the state of Florida, to the extent that the
Speaker 2: stormers may have some impacts in North Carolina and so
Speaker 2: on and so forth, the counties will be able to
Speaker 2: make certain steps, and the state can do things like
Speaker 2: expand voting hours and open up the window at which
Speaker 2: people are able to vote and impact where people can vote. So,
Speaker 2: if a storm is taken out a building, hey how
Speaker 2: about this, Why don't you come on down to the
Speaker 2: courthouse or come on down to this facility or that
Speaker 2: facility to cast your vote. But I think no doubt
Speaker 2: it will have an impact. I just wouldn't necessarily overstate
Speaker 2: one way or the other whether or not it'll be
Speaker 2: demonstrative enough to flip a state.
Speaker 4: I love that question, though. I think it's real. I
Speaker 4: think we got to take a quick break. Is it time?
Speaker 4: Am I jumping the gun down to me? Yeah? All right,
Speaker 4: we'll want to take a quick break and we'll see
Speaker 4: you on the other side.
Speaker 2: So, now we're on the other side of the break,
Speaker 2: and I want to welcome you all back to this
Speaker 2: conversation which has I know it can be heavy for
Speaker 2: folks sometimes, or tells me sometimes she has to take
Speaker 2: a break from listening for our pod and come back
Speaker 2: and pick up the second half. Sure she comes back
Speaker 2: coming back. I just to round up this conversation on
Speaker 2: on on female and really where I was trying to
Speaker 2: go with this sort of deficit mentality is that while
Speaker 2: we can look at a look at the numbers in
Speaker 2: a particular budget, I just I want to call out
Speaker 2: that Republicans particularly do this to us so that we
Speaker 2: can be constituencies groups of people fighting each other, instead
Speaker 2: of turning our attention directly toward them and saying, well,
Speaker 2: it's fine for Ukraine to get the support that it
Speaker 2: gets out of international and foreign aid support. That's why
Speaker 2: that account exists. But why is it that you are
Speaker 2: budgeting a tenth of what is needed in this area.
Speaker 2: You're budgeting a tenth of what is needed by families
Speaker 2: to put their children in early learning. You're budgeting a
Speaker 2: tenth of what is needed for housing, affordability and access.
Speaker 2: Y'all got the money, you made the decision, elected official policymaker,
Speaker 2: largely Republicans, to divert this money in the ways in
Speaker 2: what you want to do. And the way you get
Speaker 2: away with it is by pointing out immigrants are taking
Speaker 2: your money rather than creating the money that needs to
Speaker 2: be intended directly for us. That's the challenge I want
Speaker 2: to throw back to them. Don't pit me against another
Speaker 2: community because the money's there. I want you to take
Speaker 2: stock of the fact that you have an obligation to
Speaker 2: fund me and pay me what you owe me. Put
Speaker 2: the money in the budget that my community deserves.
Speaker 3: Now speaking of that, uh, I heard you? No?
Speaker 4: No, I I was about to say, can I tell
Speaker 4: y'all what happened? But if we go into some place?
Speaker 2: Actually, no, because I think all of this honestly falls
Speaker 2: under the same umbrella. Can you share your experience? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, what were you about to say? I don't
Speaker 4: want to cut you off.
Speaker 1: I was about to go to the other listener question
Speaker 1: we had, but we could do it after your.
Speaker 4: Yes, okay, sor right, I'll tell y'all what happened. So
Speaker 4: I we all of us speak all over the country,
Speaker 4: and I had a couple of speaking engagements this week,
Speaker 4: so I was criss crossing the country and I was speaking.
Speaker 4: One of these engagements was out of school. I don't
Speaker 4: want to say the state or location or anything like that.
Speaker 4: I don't want to be in violation of any of
Speaker 4: my speaking contracts, but I will say that this school
Speaker 4: was a the Mason Dixon Mine. I was not in
Speaker 4: the South, and it was supposed to be a point
Speaker 4: counterpoint conversation before some high school students, and it was
Speaker 4: I never looked at questions in advance because I like
Speaker 4: an authentic conversation. So they did send questions, but I
Speaker 4: didn't look at them. And it was, you know, generally,
Speaker 4: things like how do you get into your career? You
Speaker 4: know what parts of your education influenced your career now?
Speaker 4: And one of the questions asked was what do you
Speaker 4: think I was? It was me sitting opposite a conservative Republican.
Speaker 4: I don't know why. I mean, I'm a Democratic voter,
Speaker 4: but like, I'm not a mouse piece for the party
Speaker 4: in any way, form or fashion, but sure I can
Speaker 4: sit there and represent a point of view. One of
Speaker 4: the questions was what do you think both sides can
Speaker 4: do to tamp down the rhetoric? Given these divisive times.
Speaker 4: So my answer was, I think we first have to
Speaker 4: be honest that it's not both sides introducing this rhetoric.
Speaker 4: And I proceeded to give several examples of Republican elected
Speaker 4: officials who have said violent things, mainly Donald Trump, and
Speaker 4: at that point the conversation ceased to be civil. Now
Speaker 4: now we end up back and forth, me and this guy,
Speaker 4: and one of the things that he said was he
Speaker 4: did not believe that Vice President Harris was intellectually capable
Speaker 4: to be president. So I and I'm sitting before an audience.
Speaker 4: This school is a private school, costs the bazillion dollars
Speaker 4: to go there. You can imagine what the audience looks like. Uh,
Speaker 4: it's you know, a little diverse, not very diverse, but
Speaker 4: what mostly wealthy people with some scholarship attendees. Then at
Speaker 4: that point, because now at it's starting to feel like
Speaker 4: this is not a good use of my time to
Speaker 4: go back and forth, and we started talking policy. We
Speaker 4: talked to Reagan administration, and you know, I'm saying, how
Speaker 4: problem mad and he was like, well, the country was
Speaker 4: safer under Reagan. We'll safer for who, you know. I
Speaker 4: didn't feel safe. So then it's time for Q and A. Andrew,
Speaker 4: I asked you this, Andrew, Angela, have you ever been
Speaker 4: disrespected by a little white kid before?
Speaker 2: Because I'm not and she means a little bit like
Speaker 2: nine years old, you know, younger.
Speaker 4: A child, a child like a nine year old, well,
Speaker 4: no age under eighteen a child? Has a little white
Speaker 4: kid ever disrespected you before?
Speaker 3: I don't know that I can recall, right now.
Speaker 2: I must say I would say yes.
Speaker 4: I say, if it happened, you wouldn't be able to
Speaker 4: recall it immediately, like it does something.
Speaker 2: So this child recall everybody calling me mister Gilliam and
Speaker 2: then it's one Andrew.
Speaker 3: Right right?
Speaker 4: Were you talking to you?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: So this child raises his hand and asks a question,
Speaker 4: and he says, this question is for miss the miss
Speaker 4: like wavering, like I don't even know her name. So
Speaker 4: we already starting out on the wrong foot. And he says,
Speaker 4: you tell this story about standing in line with your
Speaker 4: grandmother for four hours to vote in nineteen eighty four?
Speaker 4: Is that correct?
Speaker 3: Yes it is?
Speaker 4: And he says, well, I just got my license and
Speaker 4: I was in line at the DMV for a little
Speaker 4: over three hours. Is it your assertion that anytime someone
Speaker 4: has to stand in line. It's oppression, or perhaps you'd
Speaker 4: like to add a little more context to that story.
Speaker 4: Let me just tell you in this moment, because it's
Speaker 4: about five hundred kids, students, educators in the audience, and
Speaker 4: I have to collect myself because I want to I
Speaker 4: have to remember this as a child. I don't think
Speaker 4: this child would have spoken to anyone else like that.
Speaker 4: I don't think he would have addressed the conservative like that.
Speaker 4: I don't think he would address someone who didn't look
Speaker 4: like me like that. And so I do my very
Speaker 4: best to answer his question, and I say to him,
Speaker 4: while I'm so happy you're so concerned about voting rights,
Speaker 4: the d m V is not analogous. And I proceed
Speaker 4: to ei.
Speaker 1: There is waiting in line for Jordan's bitch, like, what
Speaker 1: are we talking about? My plan?
Speaker 4: But I'm using the same thing, right, But in this moment,
Speaker 4: I have to be It's a privilege, right. But I
Speaker 4: realized for me to engage you on a certain level
Speaker 4: will give you the impression we are on the same level,
Speaker 4: and so I have to be the adult here, you know,
Speaker 4: and I have to educate this young man. And so
Speaker 4: I explained, well, I mean I'm not going to conduct
Speaker 4: my like one thing I won't give is somebody my dignity,
Speaker 4: least of all his little boy, you know, And so
Speaker 4: I'm not going to swear at him snatched his But
Speaker 4: you're not at the expense of mind. And so I'm
Speaker 4: explaining to him. I'm like, well, since you're so concerned,
Speaker 4: surely you're familiar with Shelby be Holder. Of course he's not,
Speaker 4: because he was a child when this happened. And so
Speaker 4: I'm explaining to him about pre clearance. And you know,
Speaker 4: I don't I won't have to repeat the whole thing
Speaker 4: is you already know. But I'm explaining to him it
Speaker 4: wasn't an opinion, like it was established that people were
Speaker 4: oppressing our voting rights, and so when they struck down
Speaker 4: the section that protected that, that's why you see all
Speaker 4: these I'm telling them all this, and I'm explaining him
Speaker 4: why that's not really analogous. But even if your DMV
Speaker 4: experience should turn into your voting rights experience, I want
Speaker 4: you to know I would fight for your path to
Speaker 4: the ballot box with the same passion I fight for mine,
Speaker 4: because even though there are people who don't afford me
Speaker 4: the courtesy of seeing my humanity, I can still see yours,
Speaker 4: and I hope that answers your question. So then there
Speaker 4: are other questions afterwards. The kids are trying to take
Speaker 4: pictures and I'm taking pictures with some kids and it's
Speaker 4: a group of little young white boys over there, and
Speaker 4: they're like, oh, man, we wanted to be in the picture.
Speaker 4: And the Dinas students are and says, oh, boys, if
Speaker 4: you want to get in a picture, I can, and
Speaker 4: they all start laughing and they were like, no, We're okay,
Speaker 4: like they were making a joke. But I'm standing there
Speaker 4: like I'm a grown ass woman being in disrespect almost
Speaker 4: bully buddies little children. So you know what I'll I
Speaker 4: wanted to do and what I wanted to say. I
Speaker 4: was just on the receiving end of this man saying
Speaker 4: all type of disrespectful things about Vice President Harris, never
Speaker 4: affording her the courtesy of calling her Vice President Harris.
Speaker 4: He would only refer to her as Kamala and saying
Speaker 4: all kind of misinformation before these students. And I have
Speaker 4: to tell you what I called Andrew this morning because
Speaker 4: I wanted to just talk about it because I've been
Speaker 4: so upset about it since it happened. When we left,
Speaker 4: I was obligated to go to dinner contractually, I had
Speaker 4: to go to dinner with them, but I felt so alone.
Speaker 4: I felt incredibly alone because there weren't a lot of
Speaker 4: mes in that audience when we left. You know, I'm
Speaker 4: at dinner with like the donors of the school and
Speaker 4: all the things, and I just felt like I had
Speaker 4: had a little bit of hope about the direction of
Speaker 4: the country. I've been saying, this is a serious finale
Speaker 4: of the people who think this way. And I looked
Speaker 4: at these young people. They were telling the conservative speaker
Speaker 4: how hard it is to be a conservative student and
Speaker 4: how they can't even in their papers to their educators
Speaker 4: sometimes because they're afraid they're going to be judged. And
Speaker 4: the conservative was talking to them like I'm so sorry
Speaker 4: you're going through that, and I just threw up in
Speaker 4: my mouth a little bit, you know, like get me
Speaker 4: the fuck out of here, Like I just but I
Speaker 4: just I don't know. It has blanketed me since this
Speaker 4: incident happened, and I don't even know how to process it.
Speaker 4: But I know it's been a long time since I've
Speaker 4: been faced with that kind of disrespect, and I don't
Speaker 4: even know how to process it. So I just wanted
Speaker 4: to share that story with y'all and get y'all's opinion
Speaker 4: or how you would have handled it, you know, cause
Speaker 4: like I said, I hangel, I hear you, but I'm
Speaker 4: not gonna do that with a kid, you know, like
Speaker 4: I'm not going to talk to you a certain way
Speaker 4: because I don't even want you to think you can
Speaker 4: talk to me a certain way. So I don't know that.
Speaker 4: I just wanted to say that's what happened, but it's
Speaker 4: been bothering me so much and it made me sad,
Speaker 4: but like angry because I'm like, the ancestors died so
Speaker 4: i could pop this little point in the mouth, That's.
Speaker 3: What I'm saying. I'm like, do it for Harriet.
Speaker 1: I'm confuiosed, I'm like, but I'm not saying I'm completely
Speaker 1: who who?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 2: Like I don't it? Also is it? He isn't himself?
Speaker 2: He is a problem, but he isn't the problem, right right?
Speaker 3: He is so much bigger than the symptom.
Speaker 2: It's just bigger.
Speaker 1: I think I think that, you know, I guess I
Speaker 1: simarily reject the fact that me putting a child in
Speaker 1: their place where they belong.
Speaker 3: Is me losing my dignity? I don't think at all.
Speaker 4: I just want to be clear. I didn't say that,
Speaker 4: but like, like that is to me.
Speaker 1: I would, I would, I would absolutely do it. And
Speaker 1: I might I say bitch, I might say bitch, I
Speaker 1: might be like whatever. But I guess my point is
Speaker 1: you getting your license and then having a car to
Speaker 1: drive is a privilege, the hard fought experience in this
Speaker 1: country so that you can vote as a young person,
Speaker 1: so that your vote wouldn't be questioned, which sounds like
Speaker 1: he may not even be voting age yet he's yeah.
Speaker 3: Right, So it's it's it's it is it was.
Speaker 1: It is a completely different battle, and I think that
Speaker 1: there are ways to be stern. We have a professional
Speaker 1: development program and there was a young person in the
Speaker 1: program recently who wanted to spar with me, and I
Speaker 1: got to the point.
Speaker 4: Where I actually listen to story.
Speaker 3: Too much because it would.
Speaker 1: It would give it would give her the ability to
Speaker 1: post this on her page.
Speaker 3: So maybe she went out anyway.
Speaker 1: But I guess what I would say is and she's
Speaker 1: left the program, which is her choosing. But what I
Speaker 1: said is this is not a debate. This is what
Speaker 1: it is, and I think that you know, there are
Speaker 1: some moments that call for that I would have. I
Speaker 1: was trying to My mom talks about this all the time.
Speaker 1: The most important skill that we can learn life is
Speaker 1: perspective taking. And so when you were when you were
Speaker 1: explaining the story, I was trying to put myself in
Speaker 1: the position of someone who you know, was a progressive student,
Speaker 1: co founded my Black student union in my high school,
Speaker 1: had folks that come to speak to us that I
Speaker 1: didn't agree with, and I was the student that would
Speaker 1: challenge them. You know, I've always in that way, whether
Speaker 1: it was our seventh grade history teacher or somebody that
Speaker 1: came to speak. And I don't know that challenge challenging
Speaker 1: someone someone's experience when it's so different than mine, is
Speaker 1: in and of itself disrespectful.
Speaker 3: I don't like that.
Speaker 2: I think I heard. I think I heard, and I
Speaker 2: was I was going to.
Speaker 1: Say the part that I think is remarkably disrespectful.
Speaker 3: It's him acting like he didn't know her name.
Speaker 1: What the stuff that they pulled there was bullying afterwards,
Speaker 1: the stuff that kids do sometimes the substitute teachers, right
Speaker 1: like that, none of that is cool.
Speaker 2: It doesn't say I think, and I think none of
Speaker 2: it is separated either. I think all of that is
Speaker 2: the same, the attitude around his whole being and not
Speaker 2: just him, the condition, the environment, the teacher, the speaker,
Speaker 2: the dinner, after all of this is it reminded me.
Speaker 2: I told you this morning to this episode of White Lotus,
Speaker 2: you know, the first season where the woman's there and
Speaker 2: she's talking about how hard it is to be a
Speaker 2: young white man today. You know you have saftim sympathy
Speaker 2: for your brother. And I was so like, what the
Speaker 2: fuck is this? But then I told Tivity's money. It
Speaker 2: was such an enlightening experience for me, that little moment,
Speaker 2: because I see how we live in diametrically opposed universes. Right,
Speaker 2: these guys feel aggrieved, and I told to this they
Speaker 2: are grieved at the fact that they are coming into
Speaker 2: the knowingness that they're actually not that great, that all
Speaker 2: the things, the lies you've been told around civilization is permanent,
Speaker 2: it ain't permanent. But also, you didn't deserve that shit anyway.
Speaker 2: Y'all thought it was violent. You stole it, you you lied,
Speaker 2: you pillaged, you thieve, you killed, you murdered, and when
Speaker 2: the murder wasn't justified, you lied about why you did it.
Speaker 2: And so all of these things that you imagine having
Speaker 2: been from the place of birth in the wound before
Speaker 2: you ever thought of that, you are imbued with this
Speaker 2: spirit that you are the greatest thing that has ever
Speaker 2: walked the land. And then all the institutions that you
Speaker 2: encounter reiterate the point that you're the greatest thing that's
Speaker 2: walked the land. And then she gets, you know, mixed up,
Speaker 2: and time evolves, and now you actually have to prove
Speaker 2: that you're the greatest thing. And so I get why
Speaker 2: the co panelist said she's not intellectually da da da da.
Speaker 2: It's because what he's doing one, he's gaslighting. What he's
Speaker 2: saying is the insecurity I have about me that I'm
Speaker 2: not as smart as I thought, and I was told
Speaker 2: I was. I'm not as great. I didn't work as
Speaker 2: I didn't get here through the same paths she had
Speaker 2: to work quite as hard as me. They won't ever
Speaker 2: have to come to that realization. They're battling with it,
Speaker 2: which is why they're projecting we're inferior. I mean, think
Speaker 2: about how Trump talks about her and not just her.
Speaker 2: People right now on their jobs who may be listening,
Speaker 2: People who we know encounter day in and day out.
Speaker 2: They are sitting there riding our way, headphones on, rolling
Speaker 2: the ads that their white colleague as they look across them,
Speaker 2: look at them across the room, thinking the story that
Speaker 2: Tiffany just shared is one that they experience ten times
Speaker 2: a day, every day, a weekend, there all the time.
Speaker 1: This is what I'm saying. So, Andrew, you cut me
Speaker 1: off in the middle of my thoughts.
Speaker 3: This is the thing. He don't care. He don't care.
Speaker 2: Okay, I thought what you were saying was you you
Speaker 2: thought she should have yoped the man's soul.
Speaker 3: I'm about to I'm about to go there.
Speaker 1: Okay, this is more graphic than what this podcast audience
Speaker 1: is used to hearing me say. But let me just
Speaker 1: say this in really clear terms so we can move
Speaker 1: on from this young child that is not even a
Speaker 1: voting at It's a system. Sometimes, y'all, you just got
Speaker 1: to get one off. And what I mean by that
Speaker 1: is it might be a cuss out, it might be
Speaker 1: a busting a nut, it might be sometimes you just
Speaker 1: gotta get one OFFI my point, don't.
Speaker 3: Act don't don't, don't clutch your pearls now my.
Speaker 4: Pearls I'm exhaling at the point you're making. I ain't
Speaker 4: got no cl to clutch.
Speaker 1: You know, you know me.
Speaker 4: I'm waiting, but I'm just saying, you, guys, I know
Speaker 4: there was more graphic parents.
Speaker 3: If you haven't me listening, sorry, it's the truth. Here's
Speaker 3: the thing, you guys.
Speaker 1: I think that Tiff could really benefit from just getting
Speaker 1: one off.
Speaker 3: Sometimes she's like, no, my dignity, I'm not gonna.
Speaker 4: Sometimes I gotta push. I think we just have a
Speaker 4: very different Andrew, I think we have a very different style.
Speaker 4: Like I'm not saying. My point to you is I
Speaker 4: did get one off with this child, like I felt
Speaker 4: very comfortable and how I addressed him and dressed him.
Speaker 4: Car in there exactly talking about let me push back
Speaker 4: the thing that I will like you don't get it
Speaker 4: off as in the problem is resolved. It's still a
Speaker 4: sadness that there are so many young people who feel
Speaker 4: this way, like this is this victim class of like
Speaker 4: I'm a white right, That's what I'm caring what you're saying, right,
Speaker 4: the man I will saying. I think what I'm saying
Speaker 4: students in the audience, all of them, everything I hear that.
Speaker 1: I think what I'm saying is there's sometimes there's a
Speaker 1: way to get one off enough to where you're not
Speaker 1: carrying it. And I'm just saying I disagree with that,
Speaker 1: and I okay, yeah, because I there is there was
Speaker 1: nothing I would be able to say to him that
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna walk away and carry the weight of
Speaker 1: white supremacy, you know, like that is. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know how we stopped carrying beeted with right, thank you, Andrew.
Speaker 1: That's my point affected with liberation, right, And so it
Speaker 1: wouldn't under the bowel yeah, right, exactly.
Speaker 4: I felt more liberated than in the fact that I
Speaker 4: didn't have to confront this on a routine basis the
Speaker 4: way so many other people do. But also it would
Speaker 4: not have felt freeing to get into a back and
Speaker 4: forth with this child that would have given the impression
Speaker 4: that we are on the same level. It wouldn't have
Speaker 4: felt friend to swear at this child that and I
Speaker 4: just don't communicate that way. But I think I have
Speaker 4: a keen ability to walk away and leave somebody bleeding
Speaker 4: without sacrificing my dignity in the process without putting my
Speaker 4: money in harm's way in the process. I just didn't
Speaker 4: want to do that. Like, that's that's not how I.
Speaker 1: I'm and I'm not not any of those things, because
Speaker 1: I think we keep on responding to this. I'm saying
Speaker 1: something in response to something that you're not saying. You're
Speaker 1: saying something in response to something I'm not saying. I'm
Speaker 1: not talking about sacrificing dignity. I'm not talking about swearing
Speaker 1: as a child. I'm not talking about losing your speaking
Speaker 1: engaging money. I'm not so. But maybe my idea of
Speaker 1: I'm not saying getting one off and then white supremacy
Speaker 1: is resolved.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that, you know, but I think this
Speaker 4: is a legitimate discussion too, because there are I think
Speaker 4: you have to make a quick assessment so many times
Speaker 4: as black people, and so my opinion has always been,
Speaker 4: if somebody is in front of my face saying something crazy,
Speaker 4: you have to take a quick assessment of it. I
Speaker 4: do this with everybody, no matter what they look like,
Speaker 4: but with a white person or Karen, if that person's
Speaker 4: in front of me saying something crazy, I either I'm
Speaker 4: gonna go spider monkey right away, or I'm going to
Speaker 4: handle myself in a way that if law enforcement shows up,
Speaker 4: they gonna see a crazy white woman and a calm
Speaker 4: black woman who's been videotaping this chick the whole time,
Speaker 4: so precisely, precisely. Now, the other side of this is
Speaker 4: if I'm saying something, I ain't throwing stones and hide
Speaker 4: in my hands. And I want to be real clear
Speaker 4: about that. I don't have a lot of I'm not
Speaker 4: in tears. I'm not like there is a switch that
Speaker 4: can go where now I'm putting everybody in harm's way.
Speaker 4: If it gets to the point like if i'm I'll
Speaker 4: calling somebody out their name, then we on a whole another.
Speaker 4: Now we just two people with a problem with each other,
Speaker 4: and I don't need anybody around me to help at
Speaker 4: that point, Like at that point, we two adults with
Speaker 4: a problem, and it's gonna be a problem it is,
Speaker 4: So I try to conduct myself within the realms of
Speaker 4: what is responsible not only to myself, but responsible to
Speaker 4: the people around me. We had this conversation around other things,
Speaker 4: but my mother would tell me that, like, don't put
Speaker 4: the men in this family in harm's way. You know,
Speaker 4: like if you my brother is a like first, you know,
Speaker 4: I can't say, hey, this is have my brother been
Speaker 4: in that audience? It was gonna be a problem, you know,
Speaker 4: So I don't know. We always have to make that
Speaker 4: assessment of what are we going to do in this moment?
Speaker 4: And I think so many of us have to make
Speaker 4: that call how am I going to conduct myself in
Speaker 4: this moment? And it's hard and it's taxing on the
Speaker 4: system to do that. I'm sorry, go ahead, no, no,
Speaker 4: go I want to hear you know.
Speaker 2: I experienced what you described, I think completely outside of
Speaker 2: the individuals at play and much more systemic as a like,
Speaker 2: this is how we can make the This is how you,
Speaker 2: as a well trained, well known public speaker, and me
Speaker 2: or somebody in Tallahassee who's a lineman for the public utility.
Speaker 2: This is where we have common ground. That he's dealing
Speaker 2: with a man on his job, or probably many of
Speaker 2: them who don't think he deserves to be there, don't
Speaker 2: think he's as good at his job as now he's
Speaker 2: he working circles around them, but they can't appreciate that.
Speaker 2: In fact, their existence can't allow that to be true,
Speaker 2: because then it would mean that they were told to lie.
Speaker 2: If you're always the best, nobody can be better than you.
Speaker 2: And so what I felt from your experience was that
Speaker 2: we every single day have to fit ourselves into their box.
Speaker 2: To Angela's point, not true liberation, not true freedom, not
Speaker 2: really being able to move in the way you want
Speaker 2: to move, because there are still ways in which we
Speaker 2: must comport ourselves in the environment, in the world in
Speaker 2: which they have created. And I know it's hard for
Speaker 2: any of us to think about the fact that we
Speaker 2: change the way we are, we move our being based
Speaker 2: off of their systems or their rules. But that's what
Speaker 2: systemic racism and oppression actually is. When the job application,
Speaker 2: when it goes up, the description for the job looks
Speaker 2: like it is perfectly written and suited for your experience. Ie,
Speaker 2: you need thirty years in finance in order to be
Speaker 2: responsible to this contract that we just put out on
Speaker 2: the street for you to compete for this job. Well,
Speaker 2: who the hell wasn't allowed in the business thirty year?
Speaker 2: You know what? So if it's suited for you, then
Speaker 2: of course you cannot comprehend. Donald Trump cannot comprehend the
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris is better than he is that he didn't
Speaker 2: work for what he's got, that he doesn't deserve to
Speaker 2: be on the stage on which he is competing right now.
Speaker 2: These folks cannot get into their minds, and we're forcing
Speaker 2: it into their minds, which is what underscores I think
Speaker 2: this election right here is that you're not as good
Speaker 2: as they said you were, and you're absolutely not as
Speaker 2: good as me. And this fight that is gonna, I think,
Speaker 2: get a lot worse before it gets better. Really is
Speaker 2: a lot of people waking up to a reality that
Speaker 2: they have never contemplated. And if I were to put
Speaker 2: myself in that shoe, because I don't have that shoe,
Speaker 2: but if I were to put myself in that shoe,
Speaker 2: I'm imagining it would be jolting, and I'm imagining I
Speaker 2: would reach for the lowest aspect of my character and
Speaker 2: trying to make you feel less human because I'm projecting, Yeah,
Speaker 2: because you are not holding a mirror up to me
Speaker 2: showing me that I'm not who I thought I was.
Speaker 4: Yeh, yeah, I look well. I think black folks deal
Speaker 4: with this kind of thing all the time. I know
Speaker 4: we have had to deal with this.
Speaker 2: It doesn't make it okay, right.
Speaker 4: But it's just in those quick second decisions like how
Speaker 4: am I going to handle this situation? Like what am
Speaker 4: I going to do? And sometimes, to your point, Angel
Speaker 4: about just getting one off, sometimes that comes with a
Speaker 4: real ass sacrifice. You know, sometimes that comes with violence,
Speaker 4: and are we ready to confront that violence?
Speaker 2: But no, but it.
Speaker 4: Might not be you like sometimes you're gonna get I'm
Speaker 4: just saying, and they're gonna respond in a way that's
Speaker 4: you know, then it's then now it's the other problem.
Speaker 1: So I'm just being protective of what I'm communicating. I
Speaker 1: am not advocating for violence on this show. I am
Speaker 1: not advocating for anyone to debase themselves, to degrade themselves,
Speaker 1: to lose their dignity.
Speaker 3: I'm not advocating for any of that.
Speaker 1: I hear the point that you're making broad more broadly
Speaker 1: that that could mean that for someone making that calculation.
Speaker 3: But I just want to make very clear what.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, getting one off is not getting one off
Speaker 1: at all costs.
Speaker 4: No, No, And I didn't even think you were suggesting violence.
Speaker 4: I'm saying, when you get one off with your mouth,
Speaker 4: you might get one off with your mouth with somebody
Speaker 4: who's ready to get one off with their fists.
Speaker 3: So if I'm doing stand back and stand back.
Speaker 4: But my point is if I'm doing that, I'm prepared
Speaker 4: for that response. You know, Sometimes I am. I mean
Speaker 4: sometimes it is my dignity. Sometimes it's like I'm not
Speaker 4: about to let this old seventeen year old boy, who
Speaker 4: little boy, please like what I look like arguing with
Speaker 4: you and getting them all in my feelings with you.
Speaker 4: It wasn't him, it was the environment. It was y'all
Speaker 4: represent tomorrow. And I have been under the impression that
Speaker 4: this attitude is shrinking, it is dying off that these
Speaker 4: kids are, you know, they're more progressive. And this is
Speaker 4: why it's been this intense fight because these older conservative
Speaker 4: white men, and what I was confronted with is that
Speaker 4: isn't there. They're not dying. Trump will die. Trump is
Speaker 4: shockingly may be here to stay. I don't know if
Speaker 4: it's shockingly but sadly may be here to stay.
Speaker 2: Hey, y'all, I want to say I'm going to sacrifice
Speaker 2: my topic today because I know we got into a
Speaker 2: lot today and and may just say this and that
Speaker 2: is I think it is going to be. I just
Speaker 2: want to acknowledge that getting one off or feeling better
Speaker 2: for yourself in the moment. No, No, I just want
Speaker 2: to say, Angela gave us the language, y'all. But I'm
Speaker 2: actually not talking about the language. I'm just saying whatever
Speaker 2: it is we feel like we got to do to
Speaker 2: capture our humanity in that moment. I just want to
Speaker 2: acknowledge for a second that it is a privilege to
Speaker 2: even consider yes. Because we talked about the violence that
Speaker 2: can ensue. I'm just gonna deal with the fact that
Speaker 2: you might lose your damn job. Yeah, you might not
Speaker 2: get you can't show up here anymore. Your membership has
Speaker 2: been revoked. That's what I mean about. We got a
Speaker 2: little sense of liberation, freedom moving the way we want
Speaker 2: to move, and then there are these moments that happen
Speaker 2: in our lives that just remind us. Damn, God, damn.
Speaker 2: I haven't curated the independence I thought I once did,
Speaker 2: because I still got to put up with this booll right,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. When I thought I was,
Speaker 2: you know that we had moved on, and I absolutely
Speaker 2: heard your hurt TIF, which was, geez, We're sitting at
Speaker 2: this precipice of a new moment, a new opportunity for
Speaker 2: this country. But I'm looking at the next generation and
Speaker 2: y'all a throwback completely, and this group will be a
Speaker 2: throwback so long as the future is existential to their existence.
Speaker 4: Well and what I mean, thank you?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I'm gonna stop there existential to their future.
Speaker 2: And now we got to take a break.
Speaker 3: And when we talk breaks for our existential future?
Speaker 2: Did I did just say that? Or no you did again?
Speaker 4: But we got to talk about what we're going to talk
Speaker 4: about on the mini pod and c t as. We'll
Speaker 4: be right back.
Speaker 3: So yes, it is.
Speaker 1: It is now pastime for calls to actions Andrew, since
Speaker 1: you have said.
Speaker 4: Just wait, can we are we doing a mini pod? Sure?
Speaker 3: What would you like to do the mini pod on?
Speaker 4: I don't know what y'all want to do the mini
Speaker 4: pot on. I just wanted to talk about it before
Speaker 4: we did ct AS.
Speaker 3: Maybe audience building. Where do we go?
Speaker 1: We've been having this conversation and about where Kamala Harris'
Speaker 1: campaign should go and down this final stretch.
Speaker 3: Where should we go.
Speaker 1: Through the final stretch with these live shows that we
Speaker 1: are doing. And we love to get some input on
Speaker 1: collabse and the like from our viewing audience, so we
Speaker 1: can talk about that. We could also continue, you know,
Speaker 1: getting want to throw up them dukes? Yeah, throw up
Speaker 1: them dukes? Or do you keep your dignity? Since we
Speaker 1: can't in twenty minutes, but not with this group.
Speaker 4: No, because we might have more we might have more time.
Speaker 4: We might do a thirty minute Oh my ct Okay,
Speaker 4: my Cca. Y'all gonna be tired of.
Speaker 1: Me even talking about rude. You're not sorry, You're not sorry.
Speaker 2: I am sorry, You're not sorry. I don't always know
Speaker 2: what I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: I ain't sorry.
Speaker 3: Beyonce, you don't know Beyonce. Wow.
Speaker 4: Anyhow, my CTA is given the after disasters we've seen.
Speaker 4: Y'all know, I love, love, love animals, and my phone
Speaker 4: knows because they always feeding me. Please obviously don't leave
Speaker 4: your animals behind. But the A s p c A
Speaker 4: is doing amazing, amazing, amazing work on ground. They literally
Speaker 4: go in and rescue animals. And no, I'm not they
Speaker 4: need to, boy, andrewsh I just wanted to show they're
Speaker 4: doing a great job on rescuing animals. And I donate
Speaker 4: every month. It literally just comes right out of my
Speaker 4: account every month, so I don't even see the money,
Speaker 4: but if you do five dollars, ten dollars anything, they're
Speaker 4: just the most heartfelt people rescue on these animals. People
Speaker 4: are animals who are abandoned, horses, cats, dogs, domestic animals,
Speaker 4: all of it. So anyway, thank you to the work
Speaker 4: that they're doing. And if you are so moved, please
Speaker 4: consider it donation.
Speaker 1: Andrew, just have a CTA because you wanted to announce
Speaker 1: you there is the whole time during.
Speaker 4: Act and you didn't hear him the.
Speaker 3: Whole time you were talking. Andrew, do not talk my CTA.
Speaker 3: Do not talk.
Speaker 1: If you have one said for your time, your time
Speaker 1: in the middle of my time.
Speaker 3: Please put your mute on. Nick is gonna cuss you
Speaker 3: out for this crosstalk today.
Speaker 1: Anyway, this is serious what I'm about to say. Okay,
Speaker 1: for those of you who do not remember Katrina, or
Speaker 1: for every other natural disaster that has claimed the lives
Speaker 1: of many Americans, I would invite you to look back
Speaker 1: at documentaries about when the levees broke from two thousand
Speaker 1: and five. I was telling Tiff and Andrew earlier today
Speaker 1: that my first responsibility at my job at the National
Speaker 1: Association for Equal Opportunity at higher Education was going to
Speaker 1: a press conference about the Katrina response, particularly as it
Speaker 1: related to historically black colleges in the area. That were
Speaker 1: also stated, and I just don't want us to lose
Speaker 1: our humanity in this moment. It does not matter what
Speaker 1: party you're voting for or if you vote. You deserve
Speaker 1: to live and you do deserve to be evacuated and
Speaker 1: all of that. Andrew shared resources earlier in the program.
Speaker 1: There are things that we can do. Questions we can
Speaker 1: answer on this program. Mayors, we can call state or
Speaker 1: local elected officials, the president. You all know that every
Speaker 1: single resource that we have is yours, and we want
Speaker 1: to make sure that we make that as accessible as possible.
Speaker 1: We want to democratize access. That is why we chose
Speaker 1: the career path we chose. So if we can help,
Speaker 1: please call on us. We mean that we know that
Speaker 1: we're not a first responder, we may not even be
Speaker 1: a second but if we can be a fourth responder
Speaker 1: and an advocate for what you need to survive this
Speaker 1: storm in any other we are here. When we say
Speaker 1: welcome home, we mean it, so welcome home and know
Speaker 1: that you can call on us with any question you have.
Speaker 3: You can send in a video you can dm us.
Speaker 3: We are here for you.
Speaker 1: You are our family and we want to see you survive. Andrew,
Speaker 1: do you have a call to action? You have to
Speaker 1: get off mute. Yes, please, sir, see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: This is what I'm saying, trying to be serious and okay, sure,
Speaker 1: that's sure, Okay.
Speaker 2: No, I don't. I don't have a C. I've already
Speaker 2: taken mine up in y'all's so.
Speaker 4: You want ct A C.
Speaker 3: You're in Florida, Andrew, give a ct.
Speaker 2: A I A. I mean, honestly, y'all, I'm in alignment
Speaker 2: with everything we've already said so far in the show,
Speaker 2: and we got to change some things. Man.
Speaker 3: Can I tell you thank you? Then?
Speaker 1: Since you don't have a CTA, I just you guys,
Speaker 1: don't want you to know. Andrew this morning, when he
Speaker 1: heard this callar tone from calling the breakfast club, was
Speaker 1: so struck by this he literally called everyone in Florida,
Speaker 1: you cannot tell me this man is not completely dedicated
Speaker 1: to public service, whether he has the title or not.
Speaker 3: So Andrew, I just thank God for you. I think
Speaker 3: got it.
Speaker 1: Any point, it's not a fight, let me thank you please?
Speaker 1: Any point?
Speaker 3: Who sid you are right now.
Speaker 4: Trying to thank you, you'd be difflcting, but go ahead.
Speaker 4: This is christ Okay, at least I wait till y'all
Speaker 4: thank you over. But I was just going to say,
Speaker 4: he said no.
Speaker 1: The only thing I was going to say was, Andrew,
Speaker 1: I can't think of a time where somebody has reached
Speaker 1: out to you needing support and you have figured it out.
Speaker 1: And when I tell y'all, he got on the phones immediately,
Speaker 1: calling the mayor of Tampa, calling the first Lady of Tampa,
Speaker 1: calling elected officials in the area.
Speaker 3: He literally has been NonStop on this.
Speaker 1: And I know some of it is from the trauma
Speaker 1: of living through a hurricane where you had lights for
Speaker 1: a month, but you are Florida through and through, and
Speaker 1: I know Floridians thank God for you, but so do
Speaker 1: folks from all over the country, including your dear sisters.
Speaker 3: And so I just want to say thank you, y'alls.
Speaker 2: Thank you as always for the challenge Angela and Tiffany,
Speaker 2: and I just say Sean Pittman also was very helpful
Speaker 2: as I was. We were down before the show, and
Speaker 2: Finrist Driscoll, who is the African American Minority African American
Speaker 2: coincidental but also Democratic leader in the Florida House of
Speaker 2: Representatives in Tampa is her region, and she she is
Speaker 2: fierce and is doing every everything within her power to
Speaker 2: make sure that we survive this thing. But it really
Speaker 2: does hurt when you hear a call like that where
Speaker 2: someone's like, we bought you know, we're almost dead, y'all.
Speaker 2: You know we could be. And what was hard for
Speaker 2: me was knowing that he in so many cases, can
Speaker 2: be right about that. Yeah, and it isn't by accident,
Speaker 2: and we can say that in the mini pod. On
Speaker 2: another mini pod is talk about zoning. Why certain folks
Speaker 2: live in lower lying areas than others. Why are certain
Speaker 2: communities built on this side and not that side?
Speaker 3: Why?
Speaker 2: So that's how this is how you know what's predictable
Speaker 2: about outcomes when you're looking at natural disasters. Welcome home, y'all.
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