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Speaker 1: Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership

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Speaker 1: with Reason Choice Media.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.

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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome home, y'all. This is episode forty four.

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Speaker 3: Of Native Lamppod.

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Speaker 1: I am happy to be joined again by my amazing

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Speaker 1: co host Tiffany Cross Andrew Yillom, and of course I'm

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Speaker 1: angela raie. We have so much to get into today,

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Speaker 1: and I just I want to start with the thing

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Speaker 1: that is near and dear on my heart. I know

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Speaker 1: you guys have topics as well. It is the hurricane,

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Speaker 1: the hurricanes and the responses that exist, of course, the

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Speaker 1: systemic and structural racism that exists in this country making

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Speaker 1: relief so difficult.

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Speaker 3: Andrew, tiff what do you guys have?

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Speaker 4: Andrew?

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, all right, Sis one shout out to the

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Speaker 2: ink Well, Martha Zen, you know, for y'all classic people.

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Speaker 2: But on my end, I'm also thinking about obviously folks

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Speaker 2: on the storm. But for me, I want to talk

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Speaker 2: about the lies that's carrying us into November.

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Speaker 4: Well, that goes into what was hav a young Angelo's

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Speaker 4: heart with the hurricane stuff as well, So looking forward

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Speaker 4: to getting into that. I want to tell you guys,

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Speaker 4: something that happened to me over the weekend or that

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Speaker 4: I experienced. I should say I had a bunch of

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Speaker 4: speaking gigs and I had a really unsettling exchange I'll

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Speaker 4: say on this week that I'll tell you about and

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Speaker 4: curious your thoughts on how you all would have handled it.

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Speaker 4: So stay tuned for that.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely love it. Thank you all so much. I know

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Speaker 1: that we have a lot to get into. I don't

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Speaker 1: know what we want to hit first. Of course, the

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Speaker 1: hurricane is top of mine for me.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if first Okay, So.

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Speaker 1: You know one of the things that I was talking

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Speaker 1: to you guys about on the pre pro call earlier

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Speaker 1: is how heavy this was feeling to me and the

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Speaker 1: reason for it, uh, I really believe was hearing this

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Speaker 1: caller on the Breakfast Club this morning.

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Speaker 3: Of course, we record our show, so this would have

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Speaker 3: this would.

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Speaker 1: Have aired on Wednesday, and it literally triggered me back

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Speaker 1: to Katrina.

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Speaker 3: Let's roll that sound, yo.

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Speaker 5: Man, it's calling from Tampa.

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Speaker 2: Man, tune from Tampa.

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Speaker 6: What's up?

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Speaker 7: Brother?

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Speaker 2: How is everything out there?

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Speaker 5: It looked like right right now here be win But

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna just keep it a buck man.

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Speaker 3: That way is that man, ye'ah gonna see you all

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Speaker 3: right in the middle of it.

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Speaker 8: The eye gonna hit, the eyes hitting Tampa from what

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Speaker 8: the map shows right now.

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Speaker 5: Man, Bro my heart, Bro, I'm scared, man. And then

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Speaker 5: we still we still recover from Allen and it's like, Bro,

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Speaker 5: I want to get this chest.

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Speaker 1: Bro.

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Speaker 5: This government is planning in our faces.

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Speaker 9: Man.

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Speaker 5: It don't matter if it's Republic with Democrats, they planning

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Speaker 5: our faces.

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Speaker 7: Bro.

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Speaker 9: You get Ukraine, come over here, they get what they want.

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Speaker 9: You can immigrants come over here, they get what they want.

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Speaker 9: And you got people being to not these female applications

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Speaker 9: that you're talking about the other day, Charlotte mane fear

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Speaker 9: to not, Bro. But you're getting these micros coming over here.

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Speaker 9: Two thousand dollars fools stuff.

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Speaker 5: Bro, Like you're goddamn.

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Speaker 9: Five thousand dollars pass.

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Speaker 5: Man, this ship harder Bro, we put we put it.

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Speaker 5: Get ready Damn there God Bro.

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Speaker 9: A lot of people couldn't afford to evacuates, and it's

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Speaker 9: coming playing.

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Speaker 1: Enough, Man, I wanted to play that at first. Let's

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Speaker 1: just acknowledge there are two things at play here. There

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Speaker 1: are feelings and there are facts. And I think that

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Speaker 1: it is so important that we do not bypass the

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Speaker 1: important because misinformation will kill you. Do not let misinformation

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Speaker 1: kill you. We have to get to the facts. But

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Speaker 1: what is fair game? What is what is deep and

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Speaker 1: entrenched in what this man is saying? And my favorite

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Speaker 1: because I enjoy blackness being treated as if it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: That is okay for us to be voiceless, That is

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Speaker 1: okay for us to be an afterthought. It is not

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Speaker 1: on any turn, ever, But I just have to say,

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Speaker 1: hearing this man, like what was replaying in my mind

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Speaker 1: are black folks on rooftops when the levees broke?

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Speaker 3: What happened in like in Katrina?

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Speaker 1: And the fact that there are so many other places

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Speaker 1: that are not natural disasters, some that are man made

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Speaker 1: that our government struggles to respond to in real time,

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Speaker 1: Like why did it take a George Floyd to die

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Speaker 1: for companies to commit the resources that.

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Speaker 3: Are well deserved?

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Speaker 1: Why is it taking Congress years and years to ever

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Speaker 1: consider even the study of reparations? What is real and

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Speaker 1: what he's feeling is that we are invisible, and we

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Speaker 1: are voiceless, but yet we carry this shit on our.

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Speaker 3: Backs and have since sixteen nineteen. That is not fair.

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Speaker 1: But what is also really really hard, y'all, because of

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Speaker 1: the spaces that we occupy, is we've worked diligently on

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Speaker 1: a micro level, on a macro level, and everything in

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Speaker 1: between to be the first responders.

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Speaker 3: Andrew, you served in elected office. You chose to go.

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Speaker 1: Into public service to change not just the tone and

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Speaker 1: the tenor of politics, but to change that response, to

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Speaker 3: But don't you know there is there's this convergence of feelings.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, immediately, I felt defensive for Kamala, you know. I

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Speaker 1: folks that are in my family who don't know who

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Speaker 3: I am feeling like all of.

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Speaker 1: Those emotions at once, because the feelings are real, but

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Speaker 1: are There is relief and it's not enough relief, But

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Speaker 1: I don't want somebody to die because they didn't think

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Speaker 1: frustration of all that. My tears are tears of frustration

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Speaker 1: that the place where I chose to lean into for work,

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Speaker 1: still doesn't have all the solutions.

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Speaker 3: And I know it doesn't get better if our folks

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Speaker 1: And yet it's still so hard to ask folks to

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Speaker 3: And so there is all of that.

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Speaker 1: I do want to cot correct the misinformation too, but

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Speaker 1: I just want to sit with the emotion of what

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Speaker 1: we've been trained right to pass it. Tiff you as

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Speaker 1: a journalist, Andrew you as elected official, me as a

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Speaker 1: former Hill staffer, we've been trained to bypass so we

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Speaker 1: could get to the solutions. And yet then that's how

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Speaker 1: the people end up feeling like they don't matter. So

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Speaker 1: they do matter, and we do feel it. And also right,

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Speaker 1: there's all this other stuff at stake.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, No, Angela, I don't don't any way, Yeah, don't

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Speaker 2: anyway yet because I think I just wanted to breathe

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Speaker 2: the impacts of the storm, and I think about the call,

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Speaker 2: choose not to try to unpack that and just sit

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Speaker 2: is always a forgotten people. And I'm so sick of

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Speaker 2: And it doesn't always it doesn't always have to be

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Speaker 2: make it radically different. But just to say this about

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Speaker 2: But a lot of folks don't trust those places. Their kids,

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Speaker 2: Last night, y'all, I went out and grabbed something to

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Speaker 2: And there were cars at ten o'clock at night in

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Speaker 2: I'm realizing, these folks evacuate. They did whatever they could.

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Speaker 2: I can protect my family. I can keep them safe, right,

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Speaker 2: And my heart breaks for that. But it also underscores

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Speaker 2: what you're getting at here, which is we have to

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Speaker 2: consider everybody when we're thinking about these impact events that

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Speaker 2: none of us chose. None of us chose, we didn't

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Speaker 2: a lie here, y'all, I know it. I just want

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Speaker 2: to quickly respond to you, Angela, your emotions are well sued.

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Speaker 2: That you're fitted because you carry the weight. Many of

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Speaker 2: us carry the weight on us, and then we don't

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Speaker 2: give it release and the release is true. We can

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Speaker 2: support Kamala, Harrison and Biden administration, but also understand that

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Speaker 2: there's merit to the fact that systems are structurally racist

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Speaker 2: and don't consider poor people largely. And those are the

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Speaker 2: ones we see under bridges, crossing bridges, thing in sheltersom

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Speaker 2: we've just been ripped off. The stalls don't work, ain't

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Speaker 2: no food to be had. So that's my thought. Man,

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Speaker 2: I'm just there's a lot, there's a lot here.

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Speaker 4: Nick.

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Speaker 6: I was there storms like Hurricane Katrina historically area.

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Speaker 10: I was there, but we stood in very long lines.

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Speaker 8: Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome.

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Speaker 11: Welcome, well as we expected. Here are the comments from

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Speaker 7: Asked the pilot to fly over the Gulf Coast region

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Speaker 4: So that was Republican President George W. Bush speaking in

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Speaker 4: The administration is obviously not choosing where to spend their

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Speaker 4: These are all states that back Donald Trump, that Donald

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Speaker 2: Yees correction. Can I just it was true for but

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Speaker 4: Yes I FEMA. So there is no money being diverted

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I want I apologize to interruption. I just

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Speaker 2: You're you're getting at, like, I think really the understated

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Speaker 2: So I don't want to I don't want to say

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Speaker 2: these things don't happen. But what I'm saying is the

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Speaker 2: misinformation that is around this sentiment and our experience is

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Speaker 2: being exploded and explosive off of manipulation. Yes, let's solve fema. Yes,

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Speaker 2: let's solve the issues around racial uh uh uh and

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Speaker 2: white supremacy in this country. But also yes, don't play

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Speaker 2: the food and put people there who are the ones

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Speaker 2: manipulating and moving us around on a game board like

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Speaker 2: pieces for their own benefit.

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Speaker 1: I want to really quickly respond to one other piece.

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Speaker 1: He brought Ukraine up in response to you know, they

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Speaker 1: got money for Ukraine and all this, but not for us.

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Speaker 1: That is one of those moments where fillings meets facts.

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Speaker 1: The reason why I want to I want to harp

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Speaker 1: on this just for a moment's because I think it's

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Speaker 1: important to note Congress has approved one hundred and seventy

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Speaker 1: six billion dollars in.

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Speaker 3: Aid to the Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: Now you all know that Democrats aren't in charge at

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Speaker 1: least on the House side. They are on the Senate side,

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Speaker 1: so something to be said about that filibuster and the

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Speaker 1: lack of movement there as well. But there was a

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Speaker 1: whole fight, you all know, even while we were at

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Speaker 1: ALC the Congressional black Hawks Foundation that whether or not

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Speaker 1: the government was going to get shut down again. This

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Speaker 1: has become the like the thing, the ball they keep

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Speaker 1: slightly pushing down the field.

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Speaker 3: Well, in that CR the Continuing.

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Speaker 1: Resolution, Congress approved another twenty billion dollars in disaster reliefs funds,

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Speaker 1: specifically to be used through December December twentieth of this year.

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Speaker 3: So twenty billion.

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Speaker 1: Dollars compared to one hundred and seventy six billion dollars.

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Speaker 1: There's a significant gap there. There's a significant gap there.

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Speaker 1: And I'm talking about go ahead, Uh huh no.

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Speaker 2: I just so this is what they do. They put

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Speaker 2: us in positions to act from a deficit mentality. Sure

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Speaker 2: there is enough to do it all. These are the

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Speaker 2: choices that the leaders there are making.

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Speaker 3: I am agreeing with you.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying that man's this is where that man's feelings

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Speaker 1: get the facts he is seeing if he knows the numbers,

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Speaker 1: and even if he doesn't know the numbers, if he

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Speaker 1: just knows how he feels that they're like Katrina.

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Speaker 3: They responded with helicopters from the coast Guard.

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Speaker 1: After the fact, I don't want and after the facts

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Speaker 1: with these people, I am crying and stress and feeling

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Speaker 1: anxious because I don't want that response after the fact,

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Speaker 1: that's too late.

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Speaker 3: Too many lives lost, that can't happen.

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Speaker 1: And to that point, Andrew, the thing that I was

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Speaker 1: going to pivot to you on is you have been

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Speaker 1: talking to the mayoral staff in Tampa, You've been talking

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Speaker 1: to local and state elected officials and appointed folks. Can

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Speaker 1: you please, for the people who might hear this and

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Speaker 1: still need relief, give them the access to the resources

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Speaker 1: that are available on the state level and the federal level,

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Speaker 1: the immediate resources. You do know how FEMA responds and

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Speaker 1: works with state and local government. It's important people to

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Speaker 1: understand that. But first, can we just give them relief.

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Speaker 1: We can't be saying on our podcast there's no relief.

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Speaker 1: We literally know places. They can call websites, they can

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Speaker 1: visit applications, they can file terrible orgs to tap into.

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Speaker 3: Let's please give them that.

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Speaker 1: Yes, well, of course also do that on our website,

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Speaker 1: on our socials, but I want to make sure we

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Speaker 1: give them that and then we can tap back into critique.

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Speaker 2: And I appreciate you mentioning that. And I'm assuming for

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Speaker 2: the folks who are listening at this time, this will

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Speaker 2: be the time that the storm has at least moved

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Speaker 2: over its point of entry into the state to Florida,

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Speaker 2: and its probably moved further up the coast. But the

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Speaker 2: truth is is that that's when we're going to need

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Speaker 2: the attention the most. Once the storm has passed and

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Speaker 2: the cameras have left. Now you've got to rebuild your house.

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Speaker 2: Now you've got to bury your loved ones. Now you

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Speaker 2: have to figure out how to make a way out

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Speaker 2: of no way. And I'll just say so, there's plenty

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Speaker 2: of resources that I could cite, but I want to

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Speaker 2: just cite one in particular, and that is FEMAS. That's

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Speaker 2: the agency in charge of handling national disasters. On behalf

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Speaker 2: of the federal government has an Office of Civil Rights.

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Speaker 2: If you feel like your community, your neighborhood, where you live,

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Speaker 2: the areas that you have concern and where you need

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Speaker 2: the most help is being disregarded because of who you are,

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Speaker 2: where you live, the color of your skin, or any

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Speaker 2: of the above and not mentioned, you have the ability

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Speaker 2: to call eight three three two eight six seven four

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Speaker 2: four eight. That office is available to then investigate claims

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Speaker 2: and bring resolution on behalf of FEMA. Okay, And so

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of there are a lot of local agencies.

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Speaker 3: Does that.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, stay in touch with your local governments. They will

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Speaker 2: have the most updated and relevant information for you. And

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Speaker 2: then finally, please visit Florida disaster dot org where very

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Speaker 2: nuanced and specific information will be on that site based

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Speaker 2: off of where you live. If you want to know

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Speaker 2: about your county, your city, where you can go sleep

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Speaker 2: out of shelter, what food resources may be available to you,

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Speaker 2: that site is intended to be a catch all where

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Speaker 2: you can get access to that information. And obviously through

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Speaker 2: the comments and questions that you all submit, if there

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Speaker 2: are elements of help that you need that we have

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Speaker 2: not yet mentioned by way of a resource here, please

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Speaker 2: let us know and we'll try to get that information

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Speaker 2: to you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Andrew, I want us if we

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Speaker 1: can just to play this question.

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Speaker 12: Hi, Nana lampod banner all the way from Atlanta, Georgia.

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Speaker 12: I know last week you guys were questioning the October Surprise.

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Speaker 12: If that you know what the conversation was last week,

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Speaker 12: But my question is, is Helene and Milton the October Surprise?

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Speaker 12: I asked, because we have people in North Carolina who

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Speaker 12: are still suffering. Are they not able to request absentee ballots?

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Speaker 12: Are the polling stations open? And now we have Milton

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Speaker 12: who is going to have a direct hit on Florida.

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Speaker 12: So will that have an effect on absentee ballot requests

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Speaker 12: and polling stations if they are not up and running,

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Speaker 12: if it is anticipated devastation that is being predicted.

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Speaker 4: Thank you have a wonderful day. Well, I know, Andrew,

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Speaker 4: you want to get to her her question because I

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Speaker 4: just first say y'all, we'd love y'all sending us questions.

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Speaker 4: They looked like SERI was driving or was either way

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Speaker 4: either way. I mean, maybe she was, maybe she was

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Speaker 4: in the best Sometimes you can't tell these things, but

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Speaker 4: either way, guys, we love.

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Speaker 2: You.

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Speaker 4: Want to make sure that you guys are not driving

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Speaker 4: while you're videoing your question.

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Speaker 3: Don't drive at all, So this is real.

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Speaker 4: Seriously, she gets I drove for twenty four plus years,

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Speaker 4: but when I moved home, I'm saying that got rid

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Speaker 4: of my car. I do drive, I just don't have

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Speaker 4: my car anymore. But you don't drive when you are

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Speaker 4: videan videotaping these questions anyway.

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Speaker 2: Hand, that's I'm sure on the side that she was

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Speaker 2: on the safe side. We'll see also because.

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Speaker 3: It will be a bail fund need to be raised

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Speaker 3: for Cherie if.

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Speaker 2: None Angela, you remember this, But just a few weeks

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Speaker 2: prior to the election, a storm came across my part

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Speaker 2: of the state. I had to leave the campaign troill

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Speaker 2: for a week to go intent to it. And it coincidentally, Uh,

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Speaker 2: the storm went over what was a very republican part

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Speaker 2: of the state, the Panhandular golf Uh coast region, and

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Speaker 2: the governor was able to extend the opportunities and means

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Speaker 2: of voting, and that some supervisors of elections were legitly

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Speaker 2: taking people's ballots over facts a mile. I know what

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Speaker 2: is a fact amole. That's the actual name to a

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Speaker 2: fact machine.

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Speaker 4: Saying that extra.

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Speaker 3: It's not called a fact simile.

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Speaker 4: I say fact simile. But Andrew is so extra.

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Speaker 2: So after French version of Andrew, no I did it

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Speaker 2: for emphasis That is like they voted be a what right?

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Speaker 3: Yeah said that wrong?

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Speaker 2: No I did it for I did okay, which, hey,

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Speaker 2: believe what you want to believe, whichever side. The point

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Speaker 2: is is that the local the way elections work in

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Speaker 2: this country is typically headed by counties and county supervisor

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Speaker 2: elected provisions have a lot of officials have a lot

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Speaker 2: of room in which they are able to ensure that

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Speaker 2: the vote that they want in their counties gets cast

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Speaker 2: and gets counted. And so I would say, at least

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Speaker 2: in the state of Florida, to the extent that the

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Speaker 2: stormers may have some impacts in North Carolina and so

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Speaker 2: on and so forth, the counties will be able to

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Speaker 2: make certain steps, and the state can do things like

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Speaker 2: expand voting hours and open up the window at which

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Speaker 2: people are able to vote and impact where people can vote. So,

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Speaker 2: if a storm is taken out a building, hey how

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Speaker 2: about this, Why don't you come on down to the

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Speaker 2: courthouse or come on down to this facility or that

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Speaker 2: facility to cast your vote. But I think no doubt

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Speaker 2: it will have an impact. I just wouldn't necessarily overstate

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Speaker 2: one way or the other whether or not it'll be

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Speaker 2: demonstrative enough to flip a state.

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Speaker 4: I love that question, though. I think it's real. I

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Speaker 4: think we got to take a quick break. Is it time?

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Speaker 4: Am I jumping the gun down to me? Yeah? All right,

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Speaker 4: we'll want to take a quick break and we'll see

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Speaker 4: you on the other side.

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Speaker 2: So, now we're on the other side of the break,

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Speaker 2: and I want to welcome you all back to this

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Speaker 2: conversation which has I know it can be heavy for

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Speaker 2: folks sometimes, or tells me sometimes she has to take

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Speaker 2: a break from listening for our pod and come back

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Speaker 2: and pick up the second half. Sure she comes back

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Speaker 2: coming back. I just to round up this conversation on

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Speaker 2: on on female and really where I was trying to

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Speaker 2: go with this sort of deficit mentality is that while

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Speaker 2: we can look at a look at the numbers in

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Speaker 2: a particular budget, I just I want to call out

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Speaker 2: that Republicans particularly do this to us so that we

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Speaker 2: can be constituencies groups of people fighting each other, instead

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Speaker 2: of turning our attention directly toward them and saying, well,

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Speaker 2: it's fine for Ukraine to get the support that it

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Speaker 2: gets out of international and foreign aid support. That's why

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Speaker 2: that account exists. But why is it that you are

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Speaker 2: budgeting a tenth of what is needed in this area.

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Speaker 2: You're budgeting a tenth of what is needed by families

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Speaker 2: to put their children in early learning. You're budgeting a

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Speaker 2: tenth of what is needed for housing, affordability and access.

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Speaker 2: Y'all got the money, you made the decision, elected official policymaker,

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Speaker 2: largely Republicans, to divert this money in the ways in

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Speaker 2: what you want to do. And the way you get

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Speaker 2: away with it is by pointing out immigrants are taking

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Speaker 2: your money rather than creating the money that needs to

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Speaker 2: be intended directly for us. That's the challenge I want

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Speaker 2: to throw back to them. Don't pit me against another

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Speaker 2: community because the money's there. I want you to take

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Speaker 2: stock of the fact that you have an obligation to

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Speaker 2: fund me and pay me what you owe me. Put

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Speaker 2: the money in the budget that my community deserves.

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Speaker 3: Now speaking of that, uh, I heard you? No?

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Speaker 4: No, I I was about to say, can I tell

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Speaker 4: y'all what happened? But if we go into some place?

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Speaker 2: Actually, no, because I think all of this honestly falls

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Speaker 2: under the same umbrella. Can you share your experience? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Okay, Well, what were you about to say? I don't

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Speaker 4: want to cut you off.

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Speaker 1: I was about to go to the other listener question

659
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Speaker 1: we had, but we could do it after your.

660
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 4: Yes, okay, sor right, I'll tell y'all what happened. So

661
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,280
Speaker 4: I we all of us speak all over the country,

662
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 4: and I had a couple of speaking engagements this week,

663
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 4: so I was criss crossing the country and I was speaking.

664
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Speaker 4: One of these engagements was out of school. I don't

665
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 4: want to say the state or location or anything like that.

666
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 4: I don't want to be in violation of any of

667
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 4: my speaking contracts, but I will say that this school

668
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 4: was a the Mason Dixon Mine. I was not in

669
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 4: the South, and it was supposed to be a point

670
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 4: counterpoint conversation before some high school students, and it was

671
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 4: I never looked at questions in advance because I like

672
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 4: an authentic conversation. So they did send questions, but I

673
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 4: didn't look at them. And it was, you know, generally,

674
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 4: things like how do you get into your career? You

675
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 4: know what parts of your education influenced your career now?

676
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 4: And one of the questions asked was what do you

677
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 4: think I was? It was me sitting opposite a conservative Republican.

678
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 4: I don't know why. I mean, I'm a Democratic voter,

679
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 4: but like, I'm not a mouse piece for the party

680
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 4: in any way, form or fashion, but sure I can

681
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 4: sit there and represent a point of view. One of

682
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 4: the questions was what do you think both sides can

683
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 4: do to tamp down the rhetoric? Given these divisive times.

684
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 4: So my answer was, I think we first have to

685
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 4: be honest that it's not both sides introducing this rhetoric.

686
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 4: And I proceeded to give several examples of Republican elected

687
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 4: officials who have said violent things, mainly Donald Trump, and

688
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 4: at that point the conversation ceased to be civil. Now

689
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 4: now we end up back and forth, me and this guy,

690
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 4: and one of the things that he said was he

691
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 4: did not believe that Vice President Harris was intellectually capable

692
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 4: to be president. So I and I'm sitting before an audience.

693
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 4: This school is a private school, costs the bazillion dollars

694
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 4: to go there. You can imagine what the audience looks like. Uh,

695
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 4: it's you know, a little diverse, not very diverse, but

696
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 4: what mostly wealthy people with some scholarship attendees. Then at

697
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 4: that point, because now at it's starting to feel like

698
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 4: this is not a good use of my time to

699
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 4: go back and forth, and we started talking policy. We

700
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 4: talked to Reagan administration, and you know, I'm saying, how

701
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 4: problem mad and he was like, well, the country was

702
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 4: safer under Reagan. We'll safer for who, you know. I

703
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 4: didn't feel safe. So then it's time for Q and A. Andrew,

704
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 4: I asked you this, Andrew, Angela, have you ever been

705
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 4: disrespected by a little white kid before?

706
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 2: Because I'm not and she means a little bit like

707
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 2: nine years old, you know, younger.

708
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 4: A child, a child like a nine year old, well,

709
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 4: no age under eighteen a child? Has a little white

710
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:30,760
Speaker 4: kid ever disrespected you before?

711
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,240
Speaker 3: I don't know that I can recall, right now.

712
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 2: I must say I would say yes.

713
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 4: I say, if it happened, you wouldn't be able to

714
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 4: recall it immediately, like it does something.

715
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 2: So this child recall everybody calling me mister Gilliam and

716
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 2: then it's one Andrew.

717
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 3: Right right?

718
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 4: Were you talking to you?

719
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 2: Right?

720
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 4: So this child raises his hand and asks a question,

721
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 4: and he says, this question is for miss the miss

722
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 4: like wavering, like I don't even know her name. So

723
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 4: we already starting out on the wrong foot. And he says,

724
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,439
Speaker 4: you tell this story about standing in line with your

725
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 4: grandmother for four hours to vote in nineteen eighty four?

726
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:15,240
Speaker 4: Is that correct?

727
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 3: Yes it is?

728
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 4: And he says, well, I just got my license and

729
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 4: I was in line at the DMV for a little

730
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Speaker 4: over three hours. Is it your assertion that anytime someone

731
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 4: has to stand in line. It's oppression, or perhaps you'd

732
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 4: like to add a little more context to that story.

733
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Speaker 4: Let me just tell you in this moment, because it's

734
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Speaker 4: about five hundred kids, students, educators in the audience, and

735
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 4: I have to collect myself because I want to I

736
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 4: have to remember this as a child. I don't think

737
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 4: this child would have spoken to anyone else like that.

738
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 4: I don't think he would have addressed the conservative like that.

739
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 4: I don't think he would address someone who didn't look

740
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 4: like me like that. And so I do my very

741
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 4: best to answer his question, and I say to him,

742
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,240
Speaker 4: while I'm so happy you're so concerned about voting rights,

743
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 4: the d m V is not analogous. And I proceed

744
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 4: to ei.

745
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: There is waiting in line for Jordan's bitch, like, what

746
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: are we talking about? My plan?

747
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,240
Speaker 4: But I'm using the same thing, right, But in this moment,

748
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 4: I have to be It's a privilege, right. But I

749
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 4: realized for me to engage you on a certain level

750
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,280
Speaker 4: will give you the impression we are on the same level,

751
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 4: and so I have to be the adult here, you know,

752
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 4: and I have to educate this young man. And so

753
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,280
Speaker 4: I explained, well, I mean I'm not going to conduct

754
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 4: my like one thing I won't give is somebody my dignity,

755
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 4: least of all his little boy, you know, And so

756
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 4: I'm not going to swear at him snatched his But

757
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 4: you're not at the expense of mind. And so I'm

758
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 4: explaining to him. I'm like, well, since you're so concerned,

759
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 4: surely you're familiar with Shelby be Holder. Of course he's not,

760
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 4: because he was a child when this happened. And so

761
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 4: I'm explaining to him about pre clearance. And you know,

762
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 4: I don't I won't have to repeat the whole thing

763
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 4: is you already know. But I'm explaining to him it

764
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 4: wasn't an opinion, like it was established that people were

765
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 4: oppressing our voting rights, and so when they struck down

766
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 4: the section that protected that, that's why you see all

767
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 4: these I'm telling them all this, and I'm explaining him

768
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 4: why that's not really analogous. But even if your DMV

769
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 4: experience should turn into your voting rights experience, I want

770
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 4: you to know I would fight for your path to

771
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 4: the ballot box with the same passion I fight for mine,

772
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 4: because even though there are people who don't afford me

773
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 4: the courtesy of seeing my humanity, I can still see yours,

774
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 4: and I hope that answers your question. So then there

775
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 4: are other questions afterwards. The kids are trying to take

776
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 4: pictures and I'm taking pictures with some kids and it's

777
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 4: a group of little young white boys over there, and

778
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 4: they're like, oh, man, we wanted to be in the picture.

779
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 4: And the Dinas students are and says, oh, boys, if

780
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 4: you want to get in a picture, I can, and

781
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 4: they all start laughing and they were like, no, We're okay,

782
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 4: like they were making a joke. But I'm standing there

783
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 4: like I'm a grown ass woman being in disrespect almost

784
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,040
Speaker 4: bully buddies little children. So you know what I'll I

785
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 4: wanted to do and what I wanted to say. I

786
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 4: was just on the receiving end of this man saying

787
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 4: all type of disrespectful things about Vice President Harris, never

788
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 4: affording her the courtesy of calling her Vice President Harris.

789
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 4: He would only refer to her as Kamala and saying

790
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 4: all kind of misinformation before these students. And I have

791
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 4: to tell you what I called Andrew this morning because

792
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 4: I wanted to just talk about it because I've been

793
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 4: so upset about it since it happened. When we left,

794
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 4: I was obligated to go to dinner contractually, I had

795
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 4: to go to dinner with them, but I felt so alone.

796
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 4: I felt incredibly alone because there weren't a lot of

797
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 4: mes in that audience when we left. You know, I'm

798
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 4: at dinner with like the donors of the school and

799
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 4: all the things, and I just felt like I had

800
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 4: had a little bit of hope about the direction of

801
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 4: the country. I've been saying, this is a serious finale

802
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 4: of the people who think this way. And I looked

803
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,760
Speaker 4: at these young people. They were telling the conservative speaker

804
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 4: how hard it is to be a conservative student and

805
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 4: how they can't even in their papers to their educators

806
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 4: sometimes because they're afraid they're going to be judged. And

807
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 4: the conservative was talking to them like I'm so sorry

808
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 4: you're going through that, and I just threw up in

809
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 4: my mouth a little bit, you know, like get me

810
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 4: the fuck out of here, Like I just but I

811
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 4: just I don't know. It has blanketed me since this

812
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 4: incident happened, and I don't even know how to process it.

813
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,439
Speaker 4: But I know it's been a long time since I've

814
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 4: been faced with that kind of disrespect, and I don't

815
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 4: even know how to process it. So I just wanted

816
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 4: to share that story with y'all and get y'all's opinion

817
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 4: or how you would have handled it, you know, cause

818
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 4: like I said, I hangel, I hear you, but I'm

819
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 4: not gonna do that with a kid, you know, like

820
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 4: I'm not going to talk to you a certain way

821
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 4: because I don't even want you to think you can

822
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 4: talk to me a certain way. So I don't know that.

823
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 4: I just wanted to say that's what happened, but it's

824
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 4: been bothering me so much and it made me sad,

825
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 4: but like angry because I'm like, the ancestors died so

826
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 4: i could pop this little point in the mouth, That's.

827
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 3: What I'm saying. I'm like, do it for Harriet.

828
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 1: I'm confuiosed, I'm like, but I'm not saying I'm completely

829
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: who who?

830
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 4: You know?

831
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 2: Like I don't it? Also is it? He isn't himself?

832
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 2: He is a problem, but he isn't the problem, right right?

833
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 3: He is so much bigger than the symptom.

834
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 2: It's just bigger.

835
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: I think I think that, you know, I guess I

836
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: simarily reject the fact that me putting a child in

837
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 1: their place where they belong.

838
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 3: Is me losing my dignity? I don't think at all.

839
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 4: I just want to be clear. I didn't say that,

840
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 4: but like, like that is to me.

841
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 1: I would, I would, I would absolutely do it. And

842
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 1: I might I say bitch, I might say bitch, I

843
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: might be like whatever. But I guess my point is

844
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 1: you getting your license and then having a car to

845
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: drive is a privilege, the hard fought experience in this

846
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 1: country so that you can vote as a young person,

847
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: so that your vote wouldn't be questioned, which sounds like

848
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: he may not even be voting age yet he's yeah.

849
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 3: Right, So it's it's it's it is it was.

850
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 1: It is a completely different battle, and I think that

851
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: there are ways to be stern. We have a professional

852
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 1: development program and there was a young person in the

853
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: program recently who wanted to spar with me, and I

854
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: got to the point.

855
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 4: Where I actually listen to story.

856
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 3: Too much because it would.

857
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: It would give it would give her the ability to

858
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: post this on her page.

859
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 3: So maybe she went out anyway.

860
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,879
Speaker 1: But I guess what I would say is and she's

861
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: left the program, which is her choosing. But what I

862
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: said is this is not a debate. This is what

863
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: it is, and I think that you know, there are

864
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 1: some moments that call for that I would have. I

865
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: was trying to My mom talks about this all the time.

866
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: The most important skill that we can learn life is

867
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 1: perspective taking. And so when you were when you were

868
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: explaining the story, I was trying to put myself in

869
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:52,280
Speaker 1: the position of someone who you know, was a progressive student,

870
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: co founded my Black student union in my high school,

871
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: had folks that come to speak to us that I

872
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: didn't agree with, and I was the student that would

873
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: challenge them. You know, I've always in that way, whether

874
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: it was our seventh grade history teacher or somebody that

875
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: came to speak. And I don't know that challenge challenging

876
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: someone someone's experience when it's so different than mine, is

877
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:13,760
Speaker 1: in and of itself disrespectful.

878
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 3: I don't like that.

879
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 2: I think I heard. I think I heard, and I

880
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 2: was I was going to.

881
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: Say the part that I think is remarkably disrespectful.

882
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 3: It's him acting like he didn't know her name.

883
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 1: What the stuff that they pulled there was bullying afterwards,

884
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: the stuff that kids do sometimes the substitute teachers, right

885
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: like that, none of that is cool.

886
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 2: It doesn't say I think, and I think none of

887
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 2: it is separated either. I think all of that is

888
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:38,399
Speaker 2: the same, the attitude around his whole being and not

889
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,800
Speaker 2: just him, the condition, the environment, the teacher, the speaker,

890
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 2: the dinner, after all of this is it reminded me.

891
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 2: I told you this morning to this episode of White Lotus,

892
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 2: you know, the first season where the woman's there and

893
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 2: she's talking about how hard it is to be a

894
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,760
Speaker 2: young white man today. You know you have saftim sympathy

895
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 2: for your brother. And I was so like, what the

896
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 2: fuck is this? But then I told Tivity's money. It

897
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:05,760
Speaker 2: was such an enlightening experience for me, that little moment,

898
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 2: because I see how we live in diametrically opposed universes. Right,

899
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 2: these guys feel aggrieved, and I told to this they

900
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 2: are grieved at the fact that they are coming into

901
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 2: the knowingness that they're actually not that great, that all

902
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 2: the things, the lies you've been told around civilization is permanent,

903
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 2: it ain't permanent. But also, you didn't deserve that shit anyway.

904
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:39,240
Speaker 2: Y'all thought it was violent. You stole it, you you lied,

905
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 2: you pillaged, you thieve, you killed, you murdered, and when

906
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 2: the murder wasn't justified, you lied about why you did it.

907
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 2: And so all of these things that you imagine having

908
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 2: been from the place of birth in the wound before

909
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 2: you ever thought of that, you are imbued with this

910
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 2: spirit that you are the greatest thing that has ever

911
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 2: walked the land. And then all the institutions that you

912
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 2: encounter reiterate the point that you're the greatest thing that's

913
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 2: walked the land. And then she gets, you know, mixed up,

914
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 2: and time evolves, and now you actually have to prove

915
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 2: that you're the greatest thing. And so I get why

916
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 2: the co panelist said she's not intellectually da da da da.

917
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 2: It's because what he's doing one, he's gaslighting. What he's

918
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 2: saying is the insecurity I have about me that I'm

919
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 2: not as smart as I thought, and I was told

920
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 2: I was. I'm not as great. I didn't work as

921
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 2: I didn't get here through the same paths she had

922
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 2: to work quite as hard as me. They won't ever

923
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 2: have to come to that realization. They're battling with it,

924
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 2: which is why they're projecting we're inferior. I mean, think

925
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 2: about how Trump talks about her and not just her.

926
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 2: People right now on their jobs who may be listening,

927
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 2: People who we know encounter day in and day out.

928
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 2: They are sitting there riding our way, headphones on, rolling

929
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 2: the ads that their white colleague as they look across them,

930
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 2: look at them across the room, thinking the story that

931
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 2: Tiffany just shared is one that they experience ten times

932
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 2: a day, every day, a weekend, there all the time.

933
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: This is what I'm saying. So, Andrew, you cut me

934
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: off in the middle of my thoughts.

935
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:11,879
Speaker 3: This is the thing. He don't care. He don't care.

936
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 2: Okay, I thought what you were saying was you you

937
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,280
Speaker 2: thought she should have yoped the man's soul.

938
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 3: I'm about to I'm about to go there.

939
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: Okay, this is more graphic than what this podcast audience

940
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: is used to hearing me say. But let me just

941
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: say this in really clear terms so we can move

942
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: on from this young child that is not even a

943
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: voting at It's a system. Sometimes, y'all, you just got

944
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: to get one off. And what I mean by that

945
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: is it might be a cuss out, it might be

946
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 1: a busting a nut, it might be sometimes you just

947
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: gotta get one OFFI my point, don't.

948
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 3: Act don't don't, don't clutch your pearls now my.

949
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 4: Pearls I'm exhaling at the point you're making. I ain't

950
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 4: got no cl to clutch.

951
00:50:58,200 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 1: You know, you know me.

952
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 4: I'm waiting, but I'm just saying, you, guys, I know

953
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 4: there was more graphic parents.

954
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:06,879
Speaker 3: If you haven't me listening, sorry, it's the truth. Here's

955
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 3: the thing, you guys.

956
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 1: I think that Tiff could really benefit from just getting

957
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: one off.

958
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 3: Sometimes she's like, no, my dignity, I'm not gonna.

959
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 4: Sometimes I gotta push. I think we just have a

960
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 4: very different Andrew, I think we have a very different style.

961
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 4: Like I'm not saying. My point to you is I

962
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 4: did get one off with this child, like I felt

963
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 4: very comfortable and how I addressed him and dressed him.

964
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:41,399
Speaker 4: Car in there exactly talking about let me push back

965
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 4: the thing that I will like you don't get it

966
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 4: off as in the problem is resolved. It's still a

967
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,720
Speaker 4: sadness that there are so many young people who feel

968
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 4: this way, like this is this victim class of like

969
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:56,399
Speaker 4: I'm a white right, That's what I'm caring what you're saying, right,

970
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 4: the man I will saying. I think what I'm saying

971
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 4: students in the audience, all of them, everything I hear that.

972
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 1: I think what I'm saying is there's sometimes there's a

973
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: way to get one off enough to where you're not

974
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: carrying it. And I'm just saying I disagree with that,

975
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: and I okay, yeah, because I there is there was

976
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: nothing I would be able to say to him that

977
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna walk away and carry the weight of

978
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 1: white supremacy, you know, like that is. I mean, I

979
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: don't know how we stopped carrying beeted with right, thank you, Andrew.

980
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: That's my point affected with liberation, right, And so it

981
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: wouldn't under the bowel yeah, right, exactly.

982
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 4: I felt more liberated than in the fact that I

983
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 4: didn't have to confront this on a routine basis the

984
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 4: way so many other people do. But also it would

985
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 4: not have felt freeing to get into a back and

986
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 4: forth with this child that would have given the impression

987
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 4: that we are on the same level. It wouldn't have

988
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 4: felt friend to swear at this child that and I

989
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,839
Speaker 4: just don't communicate that way. But I think I have

990
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 4: a keen ability to walk away and leave somebody bleeding

991
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 4: without sacrificing my dignity in the process without putting my

992
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 4: money in harm's way in the process. I just didn't

993
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 4: want to do that. Like, that's that's not how I.

994
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: I'm and I'm not not any of those things, because

995
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 1: I think we keep on responding to this. I'm saying

996
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: something in response to something that you're not saying. You're

997
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 1: saying something in response to something I'm not saying. I'm

998
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: not talking about sacrificing dignity. I'm not talking about swearing

999
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: as a child. I'm not talking about losing your speaking

1000
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: engaging money. I'm not so. But maybe my idea of

1001
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 1: I'm not saying getting one off and then white supremacy

1002
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: is resolved.

1003
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that, you know, but I think this

1004
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 4: is a legitimate discussion too, because there are I think

1005
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,240
Speaker 4: you have to make a quick assessment so many times

1006
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:47,879
Speaker 4: as black people, and so my opinion has always been,

1007
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 4: if somebody is in front of my face saying something crazy,

1008
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 4: you have to take a quick assessment of it. I

1009
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:55,839
Speaker 4: do this with everybody, no matter what they look like,

1010
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 4: but with a white person or Karen, if that person's

1011
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 4: in front of me saying something crazy, I either I'm

1012
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 4: gonna go spider monkey right away, or I'm going to

1013
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 4: handle myself in a way that if law enforcement shows up,

1014
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 4: they gonna see a crazy white woman and a calm

1015
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 4: black woman who's been videotaping this chick the whole time,

1016
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 4: so precisely, precisely. Now, the other side of this is

1017
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 4: if I'm saying something, I ain't throwing stones and hide

1018
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 4: in my hands. And I want to be real clear

1019
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 4: about that. I don't have a lot of I'm not

1020
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 4: in tears. I'm not like there is a switch that

1021
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 4: can go where now I'm putting everybody in harm's way.

1022
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 4: If it gets to the point like if i'm I'll

1023
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 4: calling somebody out their name, then we on a whole another.

1024
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:43,839
Speaker 4: Now we just two people with a problem with each other,

1025
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 4: and I don't need anybody around me to help at

1026
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 4: that point, Like at that point, we two adults with

1027
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 4: a problem, and it's gonna be a problem it is,

1028
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:54,359
Speaker 4: So I try to conduct myself within the realms of

1029
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 4: what is responsible not only to myself, but responsible to

1030
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 4: the people around me. We had this conversation around other things,

1031
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 4: but my mother would tell me that, like, don't put

1032
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 4: the men in this family in harm's way. You know,

1033
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 4: like if you my brother is a like first, you know,

1034
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 4: I can't say, hey, this is have my brother been

1035
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 4: in that audience? It was gonna be a problem, you know,

1036
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 4: So I don't know. We always have to make that

1037
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 4: assessment of what are we going to do in this moment?

1038
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 4: And I think so many of us have to make

1039
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 4: that call how am I going to conduct myself in

1040
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 4: this moment? And it's hard and it's taxing on the

1041
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 4: system to do that. I'm sorry, go ahead, no, no,

1042
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 4: go I want to hear you know.

1043
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 2: I experienced what you described, I think completely outside of

1044
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 2: the individuals at play and much more systemic as a like,

1045
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 2: this is how we can make the This is how you,

1046
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 2: as a well trained, well known public speaker, and me

1047
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 2: or somebody in Tallahassee who's a lineman for the public utility.

1048
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 2: This is where we have common ground. That he's dealing

1049
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 2: with a man on his job, or probably many of

1050
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:11,879
Speaker 2: them who don't think he deserves to be there, don't

1051
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 2: think he's as good at his job as now he's

1052
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:18,399
Speaker 2: he working circles around them, but they can't appreciate that.

1053
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,800
Speaker 2: In fact, their existence can't allow that to be true,

1054
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,760
Speaker 2: because then it would mean that they were told to lie.

1055
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 2: If you're always the best, nobody can be better than you.

1056
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 2: And so what I felt from your experience was that

1057
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:37,800
Speaker 2: we every single day have to fit ourselves into their box.

1058
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 2: To Angela's point, not true liberation, not true freedom, not

1059
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 2: really being able to move in the way you want

1060
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 2: to move, because there are still ways in which we

1061
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 2: must comport ourselves in the environment, in the world in

1062
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 2: which they have created. And I know it's hard for

1063
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 2: any of us to think about the fact that we

1064
00:56:56,000 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 2: change the way we are, we move our being based

1065
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 2: off of their systems or their rules. But that's what

1066
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 2: systemic racism and oppression actually is. When the job application,

1067
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 2: when it goes up, the description for the job looks

1068
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 2: like it is perfectly written and suited for your experience. Ie,

1069
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 2: you need thirty years in finance in order to be

1070
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 2: responsible to this contract that we just put out on

1071
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 2: the street for you to compete for this job. Well,

1072
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 2: who the hell wasn't allowed in the business thirty year?

1073
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 2: You know what? So if it's suited for you, then

1074
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 2: of course you cannot comprehend. Donald Trump cannot comprehend the

1075
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris is better than he is that he didn't

1076
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 2: work for what he's got, that he doesn't deserve to

1077
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 2: be on the stage on which he is competing right now.

1078
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 2: These folks cannot get into their minds, and we're forcing

1079
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 2: it into their minds, which is what underscores I think

1080
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 2: this election right here is that you're not as good

1081
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 2: as they said you were, and you're absolutely not as

1082
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 2: good as me. And this fight that is gonna, I think,

1083
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 2: get a lot worse before it gets better. Really is

1084
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 2: a lot of people waking up to a reality that

1085
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 2: they have never contemplated. And if I were to put

1086
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 2: myself in that shoe, because I don't have that shoe,

1087
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 2: but if I were to put myself in that shoe,

1088
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 2: I'm imagining it would be jolting, and I'm imagining I

1089
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 2: would reach for the lowest aspect of my character and

1090
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 2: trying to make you feel less human because I'm projecting, Yeah,

1091
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 2: because you are not holding a mirror up to me

1092
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 2: showing me that I'm not who I thought I was.

1093
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 4: Yeh, yeah, I look well. I think black folks deal

1094
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 4: with this kind of thing all the time. I know

1095
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 4: we have had to deal with this.

1096
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 2: It doesn't make it okay, right.

1097
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 4: But it's just in those quick second decisions like how

1098
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 4: am I going to handle this situation? Like what am

1099
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 4: I going to do? And sometimes, to your point, Angel

1100
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 4: about just getting one off, sometimes that comes with a

1101
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 4: real ass sacrifice. You know, sometimes that comes with violence,

1102
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 4: and are we ready to confront that violence?

1103
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 2: But no, but it.

1104
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 4: Might not be you like sometimes you're gonna get I'm

1105
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 4: just saying, and they're gonna respond in a way that's

1106
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 4: you know, then it's then now it's the other problem.

1107
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: So I'm just being protective of what I'm communicating. I

1108
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 1: am not advocating for violence on this show. I am

1109
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 1: not advocating for anyone to debase themselves, to degrade themselves,

1110
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 1: to lose their dignity.

1111
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 3: I'm not advocating for any of that.

1112
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 1: I hear the point that you're making broad more broadly

1113
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 1: that that could mean that for someone making that calculation.

1114
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 3: But I just want to make very clear what.

1115
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 1: I'm saying, getting one off is not getting one off

1116
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 1: at all costs.

1117
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 4: No, No, And I didn't even think you were suggesting violence.

1118
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 4: I'm saying, when you get one off with your mouth,

1119
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 4: you might get one off with your mouth with somebody

1120
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 4: who's ready to get one off with their fists.

1121
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 3: So if I'm doing stand back and stand back.

1122
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 4: But my point is if I'm doing that, I'm prepared

1123
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 4: for that response. You know, Sometimes I am. I mean

1124
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 4: sometimes it is my dignity. Sometimes it's like I'm not

1125
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:53,479
Speaker 4: about to let this old seventeen year old boy, who

1126
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 4: little boy, please like what I look like arguing with

1127
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 4: you and getting them all in my feelings with you.

1128
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 4: It wasn't him, it was the environment. It was y'all

1129
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 4: represent tomorrow. And I have been under the impression that

1130
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 4: this attitude is shrinking, it is dying off that these

1131
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 4: kids are, you know, they're more progressive. And this is

1132
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 4: why it's been this intense fight because these older conservative

1133
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 4: white men, and what I was confronted with is that

1134
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 4: isn't there. They're not dying. Trump will die. Trump is

1135
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 4: shockingly may be here to stay. I don't know if

1136
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 4: it's shockingly but sadly may be here to stay.

1137
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 2: Hey, y'all, I want to say I'm going to sacrifice

1138
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 2: my topic today because I know we got into a

1139
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 2: lot today and and may just say this and that

1140
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 2: is I think it is going to be. I just

1141
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 2: want to acknowledge that getting one off or feeling better

1142
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 2: for yourself in the moment. No, No, I just want

1143
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 2: to say, Angela gave us the language, y'all. But I'm

1144
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 2: actually not talking about the language. I'm just saying whatever

1145
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 2: it is we feel like we got to do to

1146
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 2: capture our humanity in that moment. I just want to

1147
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 2: acknowledge for a second that it is a privilege to

1148
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 2: even consider yes. Because we talked about the violence that

1149
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 2: can ensue. I'm just gonna deal with the fact that

1150
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 2: you might lose your damn job. Yeah, you might not

1151
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 2: get you can't show up here anymore. Your membership has

1152
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 2: been revoked. That's what I mean about. We got a

1153
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 2: little sense of liberation, freedom moving the way we want

1154
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 2: to move, and then there are these moments that happen

1155
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 2: in our lives that just remind us. Damn, God, damn.

1156
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 2: I haven't curated the independence I thought I once did,

1157
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 2: because I still got to put up with this booll right,

1158
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. When I thought I was,

1159
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 2: you know that we had moved on, and I absolutely

1160
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 2: heard your hurt TIF, which was, geez, We're sitting at

1161
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 2: this precipice of a new moment, a new opportunity for

1162
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 2: this country. But I'm looking at the next generation and

1163
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 2: y'all a throwback completely, and this group will be a

1164
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 2: throwback so long as the future is existential to their existence.

1165
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 4: Well and what I mean, thank you?

1166
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I'm gonna stop there existential to their future.

1167
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 2: And now we got to take a break.

1168
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 3: And when we talk breaks for our existential future?

1169
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 2: Did I did just say that? Or no you did again?

1170
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 4: But we got to talk about what we're going to talk

1171
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 4: about on the mini pod and c t as. We'll

1172
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 4: be right back.

1173
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 3: So yes, it is.

1174
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:44,919
Speaker 1: It is now pastime for calls to actions Andrew, since

1175
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 1: you have said.

1176
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:49,479
Speaker 4: Just wait, can we are we doing a mini pod? Sure?

1177
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 3: What would you like to do the mini pod on?

1178
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:52,439
Speaker 4: I don't know what y'all want to do the mini

1179
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:54,439
Speaker 4: pot on. I just wanted to talk about it before

1180
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 4: we did ct AS.

1181
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 3: Maybe audience building. Where do we go?

1182
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 1: We've been having this conversation and about where Kamala Harris'

1183
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 1: campaign should go and down this final stretch.

1184
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 3: Where should we go.

1185
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 1: Through the final stretch with these live shows that we

1186
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 1: are doing. And we love to get some input on

1187
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 1: collabse and the like from our viewing audience, so we

1188
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 1: can talk about that. We could also continue, you know,

1189
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:22,440
Speaker 1: getting want to throw up them dukes? Yeah, throw up

1190
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 1: them dukes? Or do you keep your dignity? Since we

1191
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 1: can't in twenty minutes, but not with this group.

1192
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 4: No, because we might have more we might have more time.

1193
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 4: We might do a thirty minute Oh my ct Okay,

1194
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 4: my Cca. Y'all gonna be tired of.

1195
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 1: Me even talking about rude. You're not sorry, You're not sorry.

1196
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 2: I am sorry, You're not sorry. I don't always know

1197
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 2: what I'm sorry.

1198
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 4: I ain't sorry.

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Speaker 3: Beyonce, you don't know Beyonce. Wow.

1200
01:03:55,160 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 4: Anyhow, my CTA is given the after disasters we've seen.

1201
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 4: Y'all know, I love, love, love animals, and my phone

1202
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 4: knows because they always feeding me. Please obviously don't leave

1203
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 4: your animals behind. But the A s p c A

1204
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 4: is doing amazing, amazing, amazing work on ground. They literally

1205
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:19,440
Speaker 4: go in and rescue animals. And no, I'm not they

1206
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:33,439
Speaker 4: need to, boy, andrewsh I just wanted to show they're

1207
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 4: doing a great job on rescuing animals. And I donate

1208
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:39,200
Speaker 4: every month. It literally just comes right out of my

1209
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 4: account every month, so I don't even see the money,

1210
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 4: but if you do five dollars, ten dollars anything, they're

1211
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 4: just the most heartfelt people rescue on these animals. People

1212
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 4: are animals who are abandoned, horses, cats, dogs, domestic animals,

1213
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:52,720
Speaker 4: all of it. So anyway, thank you to the work

1214
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:54,800
Speaker 4: that they're doing. And if you are so moved, please

1215
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 4: consider it donation.

1216
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 1: Andrew, just have a CTA because you wanted to announce

1217
01:04:59,920 --> 01:05:01,080
Speaker 1: you there is the whole time during.

1218
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 4: Act and you didn't hear him the.

1219
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 3: Whole time you were talking. Andrew, do not talk my CTA.

1220
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 3: Do not talk.

1221
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:13,439
Speaker 1: If you have one said for your time, your time

1222
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 1: in the middle of my time.

1223
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 3: Please put your mute on. Nick is gonna cuss you

1224
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 3: out for this crosstalk today.

1225
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:26,520
Speaker 1: Anyway, this is serious what I'm about to say. Okay,

1226
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 1: for those of you who do not remember Katrina, or

1227
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 1: for every other natural disaster that has claimed the lives

1228
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 1: of many Americans, I would invite you to look back

1229
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 1: at documentaries about when the levees broke from two thousand

1230
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:45,880
Speaker 1: and five. I was telling Tiff and Andrew earlier today

1231
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:49,919
Speaker 1: that my first responsibility at my job at the National

1232
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 1: Association for Equal Opportunity at higher Education was going to

1233
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 1: a press conference about the Katrina response, particularly as it

1234
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:59,480
Speaker 1: related to historically black colleges in the area. That were

1235
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 1: also stated, and I just don't want us to lose

1236
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 1: our humanity in this moment. It does not matter what

1237
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:11,160
Speaker 1: party you're voting for or if you vote. You deserve

1238
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 1: to live and you do deserve to be evacuated and

1239
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:17,920
Speaker 1: all of that. Andrew shared resources earlier in the program.

1240
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 1: There are things that we can do. Questions we can

1241
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:22,800
Speaker 1: answer on this program. Mayors, we can call state or

1242
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:26,959
Speaker 1: local elected officials, the president. You all know that every

1243
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 1: single resource that we have is yours, and we want

1244
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 1: to make sure that we make that as accessible as possible.

1245
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 1: We want to democratize access. That is why we chose

1246
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 1: the career path we chose. So if we can help,

1247
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 1: please call on us. We mean that we know that

1248
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:42,000
Speaker 1: we're not a first responder, we may not even be

1249
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 1: a second but if we can be a fourth responder

1250
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:46,440
Speaker 1: and an advocate for what you need to survive this

1251
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 1: storm in any other we are here. When we say

1252
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 1: welcome home, we mean it, so welcome home and know

1253
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 1: that you can call on us with any question you have.

1254
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:55,920
Speaker 3: You can send in a video you can dm us.

1255
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 3: We are here for you.

1256
01:06:57,080 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 1: You are our family and we want to see you survive. Andrew,

1257
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:03,760
Speaker 1: do you have a call to action? You have to

1258
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 1: get off mute. Yes, please, sir, see what I'm saying.

1259
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 1: This is what I'm saying, trying to be serious and okay, sure,

1260
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:10,960
Speaker 1: that's sure, Okay.

1261
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 2: No, I don't. I don't have a C. I've already

1262
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:14,240
Speaker 2: taken mine up in y'all's so.

1263
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 4: You want ct A C.

1264
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 3: You're in Florida, Andrew, give a ct.

1265
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:22,520
Speaker 2: A I A. I mean, honestly, y'all, I'm in alignment

1266
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 2: with everything we've already said so far in the show,

1267
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 2: and we got to change some things. Man.

1268
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:30,400
Speaker 3: Can I tell you thank you? Then?

1269
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:32,160
Speaker 1: Since you don't have a CTA, I just you guys,

1270
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 1: don't want you to know. Andrew this morning, when he

1271
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:38,320
Speaker 1: heard this callar tone from calling the breakfast club, was

1272
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 1: so struck by this he literally called everyone in Florida,

1273
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:45,160
Speaker 1: you cannot tell me this man is not completely dedicated

1274
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:47,360
Speaker 1: to public service, whether he has the title or not.

1275
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:49,400
Speaker 3: So Andrew, I just thank God for you. I think

1276
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:49,680
Speaker 3: got it.

1277
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 1: Any point, it's not a fight, let me thank you please?

1278
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 1: Any point?

1279
01:07:58,640 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 3: Who sid you are right now.

1280
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 4: Trying to thank you, you'd be difflcting, but go ahead.

1281
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:05,920
Speaker 4: This is christ Okay, at least I wait till y'all

1282
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:07,680
Speaker 4: thank you over. But I was just going to say,

1283
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 4: he said no.

1284
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 1: The only thing I was going to say was, Andrew,

1285
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:13,120
Speaker 1: I can't think of a time where somebody has reached

1286
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:15,720
Speaker 1: out to you needing support and you have figured it out.

1287
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:18,120
Speaker 1: And when I tell y'all, he got on the phones immediately,

1288
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:20,759
Speaker 1: calling the mayor of Tampa, calling the first Lady of Tampa,

1289
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:22,719
Speaker 1: calling elected officials in the area.

1290
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 3: He literally has been NonStop on this.

1291
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:27,719
Speaker 1: And I know some of it is from the trauma

1292
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:29,600
Speaker 1: of living through a hurricane where you had lights for

1293
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:33,439
Speaker 1: a month, but you are Florida through and through, and

1294
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:35,800
Speaker 1: I know Floridians thank God for you, but so do

1295
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:39,200
Speaker 1: folks from all over the country, including your dear sisters.

1296
01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:42,680
Speaker 3: And so I just want to say thank you, y'alls.

1297
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:44,959
Speaker 2: Thank you as always for the challenge Angela and Tiffany,

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Speaker 2: and I just say Sean Pittman also was very helpful

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Speaker 2: as I was. We were down before the show, and

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Speaker 2: Finrist Driscoll, who is the African American Minority African American

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Speaker 2: coincidental but also Democratic leader in the Florida House of

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Speaker 2: Representatives in Tampa is her region, and she she is

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Speaker 2: fierce and is doing every everything within her power to

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Speaker 2: make sure that we survive this thing. But it really

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Speaker 2: does hurt when you hear a call like that where

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Speaker 2: someone's like, we bought you know, we're almost dead, y'all.

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Speaker 2: You know we could be. And what was hard for

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Speaker 2: me was knowing that he in so many cases, can

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Speaker 2: be right about that. Yeah, and it isn't by accident,

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Speaker 2: and we can say that in the mini pod. On

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Speaker 2: another mini pod is talk about zoning. Why certain folks

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Speaker 2: live in lower lying areas than others. Why are certain

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Speaker 2: communities built on this side and not that side?

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Speaker 3: Why?

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Speaker 2: So that's how this is how you know what's predictable

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Speaker 2: about outcomes when you're looking at natural disasters. Welcome home, y'all.

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Speaker 4: Welcome home, y'all.

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Speaker 1: Before we in the show, I want to remind everyone

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Speaker 1: to leave us a review and subscribe to Native Land Pod.

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Speaker 1: We're available on all platforms and YouTube. New episodes drop

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Speaker 1: every Thursday. You can also follow us on social media.

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Speaker 1: We are Angela Rae, Tiffany Cross, and Andrew Gillum. Welcome home, y'all.

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Speaker 1: There are twenty six days only remaining total.

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Speaker 8: For the last morning, say thank you for joining the

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Speaker 8: Natives intention of with the info and all of the

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Speaker 8: latest rock gulum and cross connected to the statements that

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Speaker 8: you leave on our socials. Thank you sincerely for the

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Speaker 8: patients reason for your choice is cleared.

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Speaker 2: So grateful it took the OA to execute roads.

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Speaker 8: Thank you for serve, defend and protect the truths even

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Speaker 8: in pace for Welcome home to all of the Natives.

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Speaker 4: We thank you.

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Speaker 3: Welcome y'all.

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Speaker 2: Welcome.

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Speaker 3: Welcome home, y'all.