WEBVTT - Chuck’s Commentary - No Incentive For Congress To End  Shutdown + Trump Wants A Violent Confrontation With Protestors

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, They're happy Monday, and welcome to another episode of

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<v Speaker 1>the Chuck Podcast. As I have warned you, my moods

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<v Speaker 1>are defined many Sundays and Mondays by how the Miami

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<v Speaker 1>Hurricanes are doing, so you can only imagine what my

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<v Speaker 1>personal mood is in I will get to my football weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>The only quick thing I'll say up top is my

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<v Speaker 1>third straight weekend traveling for football, and let's just say

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<v Speaker 1>I hit my first travel glitch. I was on a

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<v Speaker 1>nice run there where nothing was happened. I was a

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<v Speaker 1>little nervous that this would be glitchy. The government shut

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<v Speaker 1>down because we have these poor TSA agents are working

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<v Speaker 1>without knowing if they're going to get a paycheck on time,

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<v Speaker 1>and air traffic controllers so the idea of sickouts longer lines.

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<v Speaker 1>Although that was true, then you hit the old mechanical issue.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in a small airport, so you know there's not

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<v Speaker 1>many alternatives when you run into those things. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I was pushing the travel karma luck with my three

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<v Speaker 1>straight weekends there, so perhaps perhaps I should be lucky

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<v Speaker 1>that it wasn't too bad and survivable. Before I get

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<v Speaker 1>and I will share some football. Of course, Today's Monday,

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<v Speaker 1>I got my podcast time machine. We're going to go

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<v Speaker 1>back to October nineteen ninety one, probably the single most

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<v Speaker 1>televised Senate hearing in my lifetime. I might argue it's

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<v Speaker 1>an interesting debate we can have on that, which gets

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<v Speaker 1>brings me to the government shutdown. Right, we're starting, We're

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<v Speaker 1>getting more polling. I'm gonna it is what we've seen,

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<v Speaker 1>and look, I wish there'd be more consistent ways of

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<v Speaker 1>asking these questions. There's no I think on this one,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no right way. Do you ask who's to blame

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<v Speaker 1>for the shutdown? Do you give three punches or excuse me,

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<v Speaker 1>four punches the Congressional Democrats, Congressional Republicans, Donald Trump, everybody?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you do three punches Congressional Democrats, Donald Trump and

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<v Speaker 1>Congressional Republicans both for everybody? So there's not a I

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<v Speaker 1>could argue both sides of that case. I think for

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<v Speaker 1>now it really feels as if, because they're politically sticking together,

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<v Speaker 1>you have the congressional Democrats and you have President Trump

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<v Speaker 1>and Congressional Republicans. And what you're seeing is, while there

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<v Speaker 1>certainly is a slight a slight plurality, and most of

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<v Speaker 1>the polling giving more blame to the Republicans and the Democrats.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not a slam dup. And there's a good chunk

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<v Speaker 1>of voters depending on that.

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<v Speaker 2>You can find the poll.

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<v Speaker 1>Anywhere from twenty five to in the low thirties who

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<v Speaker 1>blame everybody or are not sure who to blame. But

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<v Speaker 1>that's a pretty big chunk of voters. And so, but

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<v Speaker 1>the question in this current situation is who are the

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<v Speaker 1>people negotiating listening to King Jeffreyes and Chuck Schumer. Who

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<v Speaker 1>do they care most about the voters that are blaming

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<v Speaker 1>both sides or the thirty percent of Democrats that are

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<v Speaker 1>happy that they're fighting. And who's Donald Trump and the

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<v Speaker 1>congressional Republicans worried about the thirty percent that are blaming everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe the thirty percent that are blaming them. By the way,

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<v Speaker 1>about about twenty eight to thirty percent blame their Democrats.

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<v Speaker 1>They're mostly Republicans, right, Are they worried about that or

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<v Speaker 1>are they worried about the twenty eight to thirty percent

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<v Speaker 1>that blame the Democrats? And essentially, you know their base

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<v Speaker 1>and they want to continue to stoke the base. And

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<v Speaker 1>my concern is right now that the incentives right, The

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<v Speaker 1>incentives are for everybody here to be listening to their bases.

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<v Speaker 1>There is not an incentive here to listen to the

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<v Speaker 1>middle because I think the rock and the hard place.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats have the ask, the supposed ask that is on

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<v Speaker 1>the table to end this shutdown, which is some form

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<v Speaker 1>of the continuation of subsidies for healthcare Obamacare specifically. It's

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<v Speaker 1>basically Republicans have said, yes, we want to negotiate on this.

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<v Speaker 1>They've not ruled out doing it. They're not agreed on

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<v Speaker 1>you know, would it be just a full extension, would

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<v Speaker 1>it be you know, some certain people cut out. But

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<v Speaker 1>the point is if the Democrats wanted to say, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>we got what we wanted, and more importantly, we've got

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<v Speaker 1>another deadline to hold them in check, they can declare

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<v Speaker 1>victory right now. But it wouldn't satisfy I understand why

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<v Speaker 1>they're not doing it, though I might if they're asking

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<v Speaker 1>my advice, I might do it, and I would do

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<v Speaker 1>it because I think right now the weaponization that Russell

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<v Speaker 1>Voight is doing, you know, and I do sense that

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<v Speaker 1>some Democrats think, hey, Donald Trump and Russell void Will

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<v Speaker 1>will go too far in their sort of targeted cuts

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<v Speaker 1>at Democratic priorities or trying to harm Democratic voters.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, one of the things.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like to mention, I believe Donald Trump got more

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<v Speaker 1>actual voters out of LA County than he did Idaho.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you're punishing you know that. This is what

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<v Speaker 1>really frustrates me about the way these folks think currently

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<v Speaker 1>in Washington is that they want to quote unquote punish

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<v Speaker 1>the Blue states.

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<v Speaker 2>He's got a lot of supporters in the Blue states.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of these blue states are to our most populous

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<v Speaker 1>blue states, and so there's actual So he's punishing. In

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<v Speaker 1>some cases, he's punishing his own voters because a majority

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<v Speaker 1>of those voters live in it. Because those voters happen

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<v Speaker 1>to live in a state that voted for Kamala Harris.

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<v Speaker 1>You see why this is such frankly bad governance and

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<v Speaker 1>why I think it's self defeating in the long run.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't know what.

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<v Speaker 1>They're hoping to accomplish that somehow, these Republican voters who

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<v Speaker 1>will suffer, you know, due to what a Republican administration

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<v Speaker 1>is doing by targeting these blue states. The is the

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<v Speaker 1>goal to get these Republicans to leave the Blue states,

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<v Speaker 1>right move to the Red States. I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 1>crawl inside Russell Voyd's head or Steven Miller said, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to say that that probably hasn't crossed

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<v Speaker 1>either of their minds. But I do think these little

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<v Speaker 1>targeted things, frankly, some of them are probably going to

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<v Speaker 1>be illegal, and some of them are probably going to

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<v Speaker 1>get not going to be able to survive a court challenge.

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<v Speaker 2>But it is.

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<v Speaker 1>It is where we are at the moment, and so

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<v Speaker 1>that's the thing, you know that this is where I

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<v Speaker 1>still think we're going. I'm on the record and my

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<v Speaker 1>new sphere show saying I believe this this shutdown ends

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<v Speaker 1>before the end of this week. Now am I going

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<v Speaker 1>to stretch and say by Sunday rather than Friday? And

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<v Speaker 1>we'll see. But we are getting to the first missed paycheck,

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<v Speaker 1>which will be coming up basically in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>the month thirteen fourteen, fifteenth pay period, we'll be coming

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<v Speaker 1>to an end. And that is that is going to be.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, you'll have a missed paycheck of congressional staffers.

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<v Speaker 1>That's an issue. Yes, they're going to get back pay,

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<v Speaker 1>but that might be a way to remind their bosses.

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<v Speaker 1>I already told you the other day about how the

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<v Speaker 1>last shutdown essentially ended thanks to sickouts of air traffic

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<v Speaker 1>controllers and TSA agents who were not thrilled with the

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<v Speaker 1>idea that they were having to work without knowing for

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<v Speaker 1>sure when they were going to get paid next. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you look at the actual demands that have been made,

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<v Speaker 1>if the Democrats wanted a clear victory, they can. The

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<v Speaker 1>problem is they don't know how to communicate this to

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<v Speaker 1>their base. And you know, Schumer's had a tough time

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<v Speaker 1>communicating this to the I think he's been not the

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<v Speaker 1>best spokesperson to have on this. It's you know, if

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<v Speaker 1>you're wondering what Mike Johnson is up to, why he

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<v Speaker 1>decided to keep the house out they're jamming the Senate,

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<v Speaker 1>you know in his mind is he doesn't want to

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<v Speaker 1>have to hold another vote. It's very hard to get

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<v Speaker 1>all of his Republicans. So he's got a cleed cr

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<v Speaker 1>out the door. And it's like, you guys figure it

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<v Speaker 1>out in the Senate.

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<v Speaker 2>And so by staying out.

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<v Speaker 1>Of town, he accomplishes a couple of things. One, he

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<v Speaker 1>makes sure his members aren't around where reporters can find them,

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<v Speaker 1>and they end up saying dumb things that get them

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<v Speaker 1>in political trouble. So he's kind of doing it to

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<v Speaker 1>protect the messaging here. There are just fewer wild card

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<v Speaker 1>members of Congress, so you know, strategically, I think I

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<v Speaker 1>understand where he's coming from. But mostly this is about, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a Senate issue, and you guys have to

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<v Speaker 1>handle this pure and simple and really there are you know,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the thing. There are two ways this could

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<v Speaker 1>get resolved in the Senate. The other thing is Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>can end this tomorrow. If they really wanted to open

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<v Speaker 1>the government, they'd have to get rid of the filibuster.

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<v Speaker 1>But they have fifty votes to do this. That would

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<v Speaker 1>be consequential. It is pretty clear John Thune has said

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't want to go there at all. For what

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<v Speaker 1>it's worth, there's a small little growing I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to say it's disgruntledment among Senate Republicans with Thune, but

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<v Speaker 1>there's a bunch of Senate Republicans that wish Thune could

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<v Speaker 1>protect them more.

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<v Speaker 2>The filibuster.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously, sticking with the filibuster is one way to protect them,

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<v Speaker 1>But what do I mean by protect them? There are

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<v Speaker 1>votes that they have to cast publicly in support of

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<v Speaker 1>the MAGA movement or Donald Trump that they don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to have to cast. Three of them, in particular, were

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<v Speaker 1>really tough for them to cast those confirmation votes for,

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<v Speaker 1>in particular for Pete hag Seth and Bobby Kennedy Jr.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is something where there are some Republican centers,

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<v Speaker 1>not all, not a majority, but a couple who think

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<v Speaker 1>Fune could have done more to protect them from having

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<v Speaker 1>to make that vote and could have killed it right,

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<v Speaker 1>that he could have worked behind the scenes and done that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure to be fair to to to to

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<v Speaker 1>John Thune on this one. You know he was he

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<v Speaker 1>he got the job despite mega skepticism of him. I

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<v Speaker 1>think deep down there's a whole bunch of folks in

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<v Speaker 1>magaworld who know he's not really one of them. And

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<v Speaker 1>he did have Rick Scott sitting out there who was

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<v Speaker 1>sort of waiting to pounce, And there could have easily

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<v Speaker 1>been a sort of a Grasstops uprising on the on

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<v Speaker 1>the in the in the sort of Internet mega movement

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<v Speaker 1>that could have made Thune's life miserable had he held

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<v Speaker 1>up some of these confirmations. So I'm not sure it

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<v Speaker 1>was it's as easy said and done, but there is

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<v Speaker 1>just you're starting to see fatigue among republic Senate Republicans.

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<v Speaker 1>The terriff issue is really starting to take a toll,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly in the Midwestern states, and the farm guys are

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<v Speaker 1>really struggling with this. In fact, I've got a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of little updates I'm gonna give you later as soon

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<v Speaker 1>as I'm done with the with with where I think

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<v Speaker 1>this government shutdown is going. But at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the day, that the Democratic dilemma really is, it does

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<v Speaker 1>come down to they're gonna they're gonna have to disappoint,

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<v Speaker 1>They're gonna they're gonna cave here at some point, right

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<v Speaker 1>they have to.

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<v Speaker 2>They have to. They have to sort of get to yes.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, if health if Obamacare subsidies, and I

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<v Speaker 1>guess this is what they have to admit if they

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<v Speaker 1>don't say yes to the Republicans agreement to basically saying yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're willing to have a negotiation on this. Is this

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<v Speaker 1>really why they're doing this or are they doing this

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<v Speaker 1>because there's some pent up frustration on the left that

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<v Speaker 1>the Democrats have shown no ability to slow Trump down. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>the courts are not really you know, the courts have

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<v Speaker 1>done better than most. Right we have what's going on

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<v Speaker 1>in organ right now, that's not an insignificant moment. And

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<v Speaker 1>Steven Miller's bizarre anti unconstitutional reaction to this, to attack

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<v Speaker 1>a Trump appointed judge by the way, as an insurrectionist.

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<v Speaker 2>Is just shocking.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, we're not we never get shocked anymore by

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<v Speaker 1>some of the language that Stephen Miller uses on social media,

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<v Speaker 1>but it should be quite alarming to the entire judiciary,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's not helpful, and he ought to be actually

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<v Speaker 1>read the opinion apologizes for digressing on this. You got

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<v Speaker 1>to read the opinion from the judge in Oregon. Essentially

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<v Speaker 1>the judges saying Donald Trump's words are don't match what

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<v Speaker 1>you guys are saying in your court filings and what

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<v Speaker 1>you're claiming here, and essentially what he's saying is undermining

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<v Speaker 1>the entire rationale that Stephen Miller was in venting to

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<v Speaker 1>try to get the military in the National Guard in

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<v Speaker 1>some of these cities, in Portland in particular. So I

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<v Speaker 1>don't it sort of is amusing to me that Miller

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't realize his own words are also making an appeal

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<v Speaker 1>that much harder to win. Because we see what the

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<v Speaker 1>real motivation is. I mean, they are trying to incite

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<v Speaker 1>a confrontation. They want a violent confrontation between protesters, ICE

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<v Speaker 1>agents and the National Guard. It appears that's what they're

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<v Speaker 1>looking for, and they're using the ruse of you know

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<v Speaker 1>it is really disconcerting and it's you know one. It

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<v Speaker 1>feels like they're looking for any excuse to just ramp

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<v Speaker 1>up enforcement, and that is something we ought to be

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<v Speaker 1>concerned about here.

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<v Speaker 2>We need to have peaceful protesting.

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<v Speaker 1>We shouldn't be physically attacking ICE agents, but ICE agents

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<v Speaker 1>ought to be acting in a constitutional method. I do

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<v Speaker 1>think the face masks are menacing and it has created

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<v Speaker 1>a very untenable situation. Everybody needs to ratchet things down

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<v Speaker 1>here and we need to turn the temperature down. This

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<v Speaker 1>Portland judge was trying to do that, but it does

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<v Speaker 1>not seem as if that was the message that was

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<v Speaker 1>received there. But going back to the shutdown politics here,

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<v Speaker 1>what's happening in Oregon and what's happening there is also

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<v Speaker 1>having an impact on the frustrated progressive base that feels

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<v Speaker 1>as if the Democrats aren't fighting enough, and so if

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<v Speaker 1>the government has been shut down over Obamacare subsidies. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a path here, But is this really why Democrats

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<v Speaker 1>force this confrontation? It's it is starting to look that

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<v Speaker 1>obviously that I think it's obvious now this was what's

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<v Speaker 1>the best thing you could say to swing voters as

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<v Speaker 1>to why you shut down the government? Oh, Obamacare subsidies.

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<v Speaker 1>But that is not what the progressive base is interested.

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<v Speaker 1>And sure they'll certainly be happy that if this is done,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's not going to be seen as a victory.

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<v Speaker 1>And in fact, I've seen some Democrats argue, leave it

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<v Speaker 1>to congressional Democrats to help Republicans minimize their problems in

0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:41.680
<v Speaker 1>the election year, meaning by by advance by agreeing to

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<v Speaker 1>an extension of Obamacare subsidies, with the Republicans forcing them

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<v Speaker 1>to do this. Now you're saying you're taking the issue

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<v Speaker 1>off the table for twenty twenty six. But this of

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<v Speaker 1>course gets to are you there to govern or are

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<v Speaker 1>you there to pundicize and just politicize everything? Right, And

0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:01.840
<v Speaker 1>that gets back to the same thing I was talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the other day, which is the adult in the

0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:06.040
<v Speaker 1>room vote. All right, maybe the adult in the room

0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:07.880
<v Speaker 1>voter is not a base Republican voter. And it is

0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:12.080
<v Speaker 1>not a base Democratic voter, but the voter that's looking

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<v Speaker 1>for the adult party is the one that says, oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>use this moment to do something that helps everybody, versus no,

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<v Speaker 1>take advantage of this moment, exploit it so that you

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<v Speaker 1>can gain political power.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is what the base wants.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, both bases want, they want their leaders

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<v Speaker 1>to exploit situations to.

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<v Speaker 2>Get more power.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is arguably the fundamental divide we're living in

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<v Speaker 1>right now in American politics, and it goes back to

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<v Speaker 1>the incentive structures that elected officials have with the voters

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<v Speaker 1>Unless they win. Let me move on to a few

0:17:58.560 --> 0:18:02.920
<v Speaker 1>other items from the weekend. By the way, I had

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<v Speaker 1>somebody right in to the my LinkedIn toodcast profile to

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<v Speaker 1>say they thought I should. They wanted me to call

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<v Speaker 1>my hot takes hot totty Takes, and I thought, well,

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<v Speaker 1>my problem is is that I'm not very good at

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<v Speaker 1>like the thirty second hot take, right, I'm not very

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<v Speaker 1>good at giving you the stephen A. Smith bs argument

0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:33.080
<v Speaker 1>of the day, right, the invented argument about the Dallas Cowboys,

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<v Speaker 1>good or bad?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>So it is it is sort of, it is sort

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<v Speaker 1>of not not my favorite thing. But there's there's a

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<v Speaker 1>three headlines I want to get to before we get

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<v Speaker 1>to the interview with David Holt. One is we are

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<v Speaker 1>really now starting to see particularly this is the beginning

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<v Speaker 1>of a new quarter financially right for just about any

0:18:53.840 --> 0:18:58.399
<v Speaker 1>sort of business, which means this is a big period

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<v Speaker 1>where we're going to see increased to There was an

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<v Speaker 1>important article in the Financial Times that I didn't want

0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:08.679
<v Speaker 1>people to miss. This is based on data from the

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<v Speaker 1>Bureau of Labor Statistics in the six months going through

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<v Speaker 1>August from August in the six months previous ending in August,

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<v Speaker 1>so far, prices for audio equipment have risen by fourteen percent.

0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:26.560
<v Speaker 1>Prices for dresses are up eight percent. Tools, hardware and

0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:31.080
<v Speaker 1>other supplies in that under that umbrella are already have

0:19:31.240 --> 0:19:34.600
<v Speaker 1>risen by five percent, because most of those goods are important.

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<v Speaker 1>And what happened was you had a lot of small

0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:41.159
<v Speaker 1>businesses and large businesses by products before the tariffs kicked in.

0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:44.520
<v Speaker 1>They built up some inventories, but those inventories are now gone,

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<v Speaker 1>and so now we're starting to see the price increases

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<v Speaker 1>are going in starting in October. For instance, Ashley Furniture,

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<v Speaker 1>so you've probably heard of Ashley Fern. They're the world's

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<v Speaker 1>largest furniture manufacturer. They've already they put a notice in

0:20:00.760 --> 0:20:03.760
<v Speaker 1>an industry publication called home News. Now again this is

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<v Speaker 1>a courtesy of my friends at the Financial Times, that

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<v Speaker 1>they plan to raise prices for a majority of their

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<v Speaker 1>products from three and a half to twelve percent starting yesterday. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so this is what I mean when in the sort

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<v Speaker 1>of the quarter kicks in and you're going to see

0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:23.480
<v Speaker 1>new decisions on pricing. And this is where the tariffs

0:20:23.520 --> 0:20:29.040
<v Speaker 1>get put in. The car parts retailer AutoZone, they already

0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:32.119
<v Speaker 1>have indicated to aid lists that there's probably going to

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<v Speaker 1>be more price rises as the full impact of tariffs

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<v Speaker 1>go in. I've told you about coffee prices. They continue

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<v Speaker 1>to surge because of the fifty of the fifty percent

0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:47.720
<v Speaker 1>tariffs that have been applied to Brazil over the president's

0:20:47.920 --> 0:20:51.840
<v Speaker 1>obsession with Despite proclaiming that they're American first and they're

0:20:51.840 --> 0:20:53.960
<v Speaker 1>not going to get involved in anybody else's politics. They

0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:56.199
<v Speaker 1>don't get involved in anybody else's politics unless they care

0:20:56.200 --> 0:20:58.760
<v Speaker 1>about everybody else's politics in this case because of the

0:20:58.760 --> 0:21:03.080
<v Speaker 1>whole Bolsonnaro situation. There and here's something where there's these

0:21:03.160 --> 0:21:07.080
<v Speaker 1>hidden tariff costs in everything that you have at the

0:21:07.080 --> 0:21:13.840
<v Speaker 1>grocery store. Tariff's on imported tin plate steel is also

0:21:13.960 --> 0:21:18.240
<v Speaker 1>driving up the price of food cans. So even if

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<v Speaker 1>the product the progresso soup, the Goya beans, even if

0:21:24.840 --> 0:21:29.680
<v Speaker 1>the food itself is produced here, the tin can, the

0:21:29.760 --> 0:21:33.520
<v Speaker 1>can that is in your grocery store costs more and

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<v Speaker 1>they've had to raise the price of that.

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<v Speaker 2>It is.

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<v Speaker 1>And I have one other thing where we have a

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<v Speaker 1>tariff impact, and that is the issue of soybeans. And

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<v Speaker 1>this comes from the Lincoln Journal Star of the weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>They have had a fifty two percent drop. This was

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<v Speaker 1>just through June, Okay, Nebraska soybean experts, we're down fifteen percent. Overall,

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<v Speaker 1>there's been a drop in exports to China of fifty

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<v Speaker 1>two percent. This is why the farmers are reeling right now,

0:22:09.359 --> 0:22:12.199
<v Speaker 1>particularly soybean farmers. And guess what, you grow soybeans all

0:22:12.200 --> 0:22:14.639
<v Speaker 1>over the country. So this is a lot of states

0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:17.080
<v Speaker 1>that are being impacted by this. This is why Donald

0:22:17.119 --> 0:22:21.960
<v Speaker 1>Trump's talking about some sort of rebate. But do keep

0:22:21.960 --> 0:22:25.760
<v Speaker 1>in mind as the right tries to call tries to

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<v Speaker 1>take this the Democratic Socialist Johan Mamdani and essentially use

0:22:31.359 --> 0:22:35.080
<v Speaker 1>it to define the Democratic Party as socialists. The person

0:22:35.359 --> 0:22:40.920
<v Speaker 1>executing socialistic like policies right now is Donald Trump right

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<v Speaker 1>in order, you know, he's you know, basically having to

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<v Speaker 1>pay farmers to to for crops that are not going

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<v Speaker 1>to get used. Right. But that is that's government support.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a form you know, by any other name.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's see, if it were a democratic administry doing this,

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<v Speaker 1>you would hear some conservatives crying socialism on this. And

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<v Speaker 1>of course I haven't gotten into Intel and some of

0:23:08.119 --> 0:23:10.080
<v Speaker 1>the other stuff that we've already see that there is

0:23:10.800 --> 0:23:14.840
<v Speaker 1>certainly we've heard. I mean, the Ken Griffin, the head

0:23:14.840 --> 0:23:17.640
<v Speaker 1>of the large, the large private equity fund, the Citadel,

0:23:18.600 --> 0:23:21.040
<v Speaker 1>he's gotten really vocal about this. He does not like

0:23:21.080 --> 0:23:24.280
<v Speaker 1>what the Trump administration has been doing, how quickly they

0:23:24.320 --> 0:23:27.160
<v Speaker 1>get involved in private enterprise and sort of put their

0:23:27.160 --> 0:23:29.760
<v Speaker 1>finger on the scales, picking winners and losers, whether it's

0:23:29.920 --> 0:23:36.480
<v Speaker 1>who gets to own TikTok intel, what Navidia is doing

0:23:36.560 --> 0:23:40.240
<v Speaker 1>with chips to China and things like this. So it

0:23:40.359 --> 0:23:43.920
<v Speaker 1>is again as we start name calling everybody doing the

0:23:44.000 --> 0:23:46.440
<v Speaker 1>socialists and the fascists and all this left right name

0:23:46.480 --> 0:23:52.679
<v Speaker 1>calling just realize on the issue of socialism, Donald Trump

0:23:52.720 --> 0:23:55.359
<v Speaker 1>has his own form of it that he is executing

0:23:55.440 --> 0:23:59.879
<v Speaker 1>right now. Socialism for the business world, socialism for con

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<v Speaker 1>stituency groups that he believes are important to him. On

0:24:04.200 --> 0:24:13.600
<v Speaker 1>that front, two other notes out there. One, Japan is

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<v Speaker 1>going to have its first female prime minister. I do

0:24:18.520 --> 0:24:24.000
<v Speaker 1>think it's worth noting that the first woman to break

0:24:24.080 --> 0:24:27.000
<v Speaker 1>through and break that glass ceiling is somebody who's more conservative,

0:24:27.080 --> 0:24:30.000
<v Speaker 1>somebody who's more hawkish, somebody who's on the right, somebody

0:24:30.040 --> 0:24:34.360
<v Speaker 1>who's feeling to conservatives, somebody who calls Maggie Thatcher one

0:24:34.400 --> 0:24:40.160
<v Speaker 1>of her heroes. It's it's interesting when when we've seen

0:24:41.480 --> 0:24:45.040
<v Speaker 1>West Western like democracies elect their you know, break the

0:24:45.119 --> 0:24:50.320
<v Speaker 1>gender glass ceiling. Uh, it does seem as if because

0:24:50.359 --> 0:24:55.200
<v Speaker 1>the most skeptical voters of women in executive office are

0:24:55.280 --> 0:24:58.440
<v Speaker 1>usually on the right, having a woman come from the

0:24:58.520 --> 0:25:01.119
<v Speaker 1>right is sometimes the fast your path of getting a

0:25:01.160 --> 0:25:04.960
<v Speaker 1>woman in leadership. Again, see Maggie Thatcher on that front.

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<v Speaker 2>Does that?

0:25:06.760 --> 0:25:10.920
<v Speaker 1>Is this yet another indication that when America elects its

0:25:10.960 --> 0:25:14.840
<v Speaker 1>first woman president, she's more likely to be from stage right.

0:25:14.720 --> 0:25:15.520
<v Speaker 2>Than stage left.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, I just throw that out there it's it's.

0:25:21.280 --> 0:25:21.720
<v Speaker 2>It's my.

0:25:23.600 --> 0:25:26.960
<v Speaker 1>That's my belief. I mean, certainly, it's a trajectory we're

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<v Speaker 1>on at the moment. I'm not saying the political world

0:25:29.920 --> 0:25:32.320
<v Speaker 1>couldn't change here a little bit, but in the moment

0:25:32.359 --> 0:25:34.920
<v Speaker 1>that we're in, I think, uh, I think that's more likely.

0:25:34.960 --> 0:25:38.080
<v Speaker 1>And I look, Japan is a much more male dominated

0:25:38.119 --> 0:25:43.600
<v Speaker 1>society than our society, so it's pretty notable that they're

0:25:43.600 --> 0:25:47.479
<v Speaker 1>breaking this class ceiling before we are as well. Just

0:25:47.520 --> 0:25:51.480
<v Speaker 1>something to something to think about there. If it wasn't

0:25:51.480 --> 0:25:55.200
<v Speaker 1>for the government shutdown, the fact that there is a

0:25:55.320 --> 0:25:59.800
<v Speaker 1>very dubious claim that the president is making in order

0:25:59.840 --> 0:26:05.280
<v Speaker 1>to bomb these these boats coming out of Venezuela, claiming

0:26:05.680 --> 0:26:09.800
<v Speaker 1>that these are terrorists, claiming that this is self defense.

0:26:10.680 --> 0:26:16.159
<v Speaker 1>There is really this. It's it's a political trap that

0:26:16.200 --> 0:26:20.920
<v Speaker 1>they are trying to set right, which is, oh, you're you're, you're,

0:26:21.280 --> 0:26:24.960
<v Speaker 1>you're trying to go soft on the drug cartels. But

0:26:25.080 --> 0:26:26.960
<v Speaker 1>there is no due process for these folks.

0:26:27.800 --> 0:26:28.200
<v Speaker 2>There is.

0:26:28.960 --> 0:26:33.840
<v Speaker 1>These clearly look to be illegal, These clearly look to

0:26:33.880 --> 0:26:38.359
<v Speaker 1>be unconstitutional. These definitely seem extra judicial. But here's the

0:26:38.400 --> 0:26:46.080
<v Speaker 1>more important thing. Even if if the Trump administration finds

0:26:46.080 --> 0:26:49.480
<v Speaker 1>a way to thread this where they can claim some

0:26:49.680 --> 0:26:54.400
<v Speaker 1>legality to it because they've designated these cartels as terrorist organizations,

0:26:54.400 --> 0:26:56.600
<v Speaker 1>which in and of itself is sort of a very

0:26:56.640 --> 0:27:04.719
<v Speaker 1>subjective process, and that they can somehow make the rhetorical

0:27:04.760 --> 0:27:06.760
<v Speaker 1>case that these drugs that are being brought in or

0:27:07.720 --> 0:27:15.320
<v Speaker 1>killing our citizens. So it's certainly unpopular, right what what

0:27:15.359 --> 0:27:20.240
<v Speaker 1>these cartels are doing. But the example we're setting, right

0:27:20.320 --> 0:27:22.000
<v Speaker 1>we you know, when you when you see a guy

0:27:22.040 --> 0:27:26.800
<v Speaker 1>like Bouque in El Salvador, when you see a guy

0:27:26.920 --> 0:27:30.160
<v Speaker 1>like are Dowan, when you see Frankly, you know, when

0:27:30.200 --> 0:27:33.120
<v Speaker 1>we don't have we're in the United States of America,

0:27:33.400 --> 0:27:41.439
<v Speaker 1>and when we don't behave in small, d democratic ways,

0:27:42.000 --> 0:27:45.720
<v Speaker 1>when we don't essentially abide by, when we don't treat

0:27:45.760 --> 0:27:48.119
<v Speaker 1>everybody in the world the same way we're supposed to

0:27:48.160 --> 0:27:51.520
<v Speaker 1>treat our own citizens, things like do process, search and seizure.

0:27:54.000 --> 0:27:56.080
<v Speaker 1>Because I just want a simple explanation, why haven't we

0:27:56.160 --> 0:28:00.199
<v Speaker 1>boarded any of these boats? Wouldn't we learn a hell

0:28:00.200 --> 0:28:02.399
<v Speaker 1>of a lot more information about what these cartels are

0:28:02.440 --> 0:28:07.920
<v Speaker 1>up to by actually a boarding these boats, arresting these folks,

0:28:08.160 --> 0:28:11.640
<v Speaker 1>seizing the product, learning a hell of a lot more

0:28:11.680 --> 0:28:14.600
<v Speaker 1>about there about how all of this works, about how

0:28:14.640 --> 0:28:18.520
<v Speaker 1>the routes work, about it, how the business works, just

0:28:18.680 --> 0:28:22.120
<v Speaker 1>sort of you know, showing off. I mean, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>just sort of life isn't a video game. But the

0:28:29.640 --> 0:28:32.160
<v Speaker 1>Secretary of Defense, Pete hag Set is out there putting

0:28:32.160 --> 0:28:34.439
<v Speaker 1>on social It seems like everything is designed for some

0:28:34.480 --> 0:28:39.280
<v Speaker 1>sort of social media virality moment, right, And so he

0:28:39.640 --> 0:28:41.520
<v Speaker 1>goes out there as if they're like he's, you know,

0:28:41.840 --> 0:28:45.920
<v Speaker 1>General Eisenhower executing D Day and he and he puts

0:28:46.000 --> 0:28:51.640
<v Speaker 1>up this picture satellite video of the destruction of one

0:28:51.680 --> 0:28:56.520
<v Speaker 1>of these boats, claiming that that we we have the

0:28:56.520 --> 0:29:00.320
<v Speaker 1>intelligence that that that confirms these folks are cartel members

0:29:00.360 --> 0:29:04.080
<v Speaker 1>and they're bringing these deadly drugs into the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>This isn't a game. And what we're doing is we're

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<v Speaker 1>giving a moral permission slip to thugs and dictators around

0:29:15.920 --> 0:29:19.040
<v Speaker 1>the world want to be thugs, want to be dictators.

0:29:19.640 --> 0:29:23.080
<v Speaker 1>And we're behaving no differently than what Europe is saying

0:29:23.160 --> 0:29:26.120
<v Speaker 1>the way Putin is behaving right now in Eastern Europe.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is appalling.

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<v Speaker 1>I am sorry that there is not more attention to this.

0:29:32.080 --> 0:29:36.880
<v Speaker 1>I know, politically this isn't easy because you know, it

0:29:37.000 --> 0:29:40.440
<v Speaker 1>is our constitution, all of our rights, all of laws

0:29:40.560 --> 0:29:49.480
<v Speaker 1>are done to protect sometimes some morally questionable people. Okay,

0:29:49.760 --> 0:29:53.200
<v Speaker 1>but that's the whole point of our constitutions, the whole

0:29:53.200 --> 0:29:57.200
<v Speaker 1>point of our system, innocent until proven guilty. And when

0:29:57.240 --> 0:30:01.600
<v Speaker 1>we don't behave that way around the world all the time,

0:30:03.120 --> 0:30:07.840
<v Speaker 1>and we sort of invent new ways to kill people

0:30:07.880 --> 0:30:14.160
<v Speaker 1>and claim claim some a different authority to do it,

0:30:14.160 --> 0:30:18.400
<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's not going to help us have any

0:30:18.440 --> 0:30:21.600
<v Speaker 1>sort of influence. You know, this is not what somebody

0:30:21.640 --> 0:30:23.880
<v Speaker 1>who wants to win the Nobel Peace Prize. This is

0:30:23.880 --> 0:30:26.600
<v Speaker 1>not how somebody who wants to win the Nobel Peace

0:30:26.600 --> 0:30:31.800
<v Speaker 1>Prize behaves on that for what it's worth. So it's

0:30:32.720 --> 0:30:34.160
<v Speaker 1>if what I do think, if it wasn't for the

0:30:34.200 --> 0:30:37.400
<v Speaker 1>government shutdown, that this this would be a bigger deal.

0:30:37.840 --> 0:30:40.680
<v Speaker 1>But you also have you know, this is what happens

0:30:40.680 --> 0:30:44.280
<v Speaker 1>when the legislative branch isn't acting as a check. This

0:30:44.400 --> 0:30:47.120
<v Speaker 1>is an important moment for the Congress to be acting

0:30:47.120 --> 0:30:52.080
<v Speaker 1>as a check. I'm hearing all sorts of complaints from

0:30:52.120 --> 0:30:55.320
<v Speaker 1>my from my sources on Capitol Hill, but none of

0:30:55.320 --> 0:30:57.920
<v Speaker 1>them want to go public because none of them want

0:30:57.920 --> 0:31:00.000
<v Speaker 1>to look like they're on the side of Maduro in Venezuela,

0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:00.440
<v Speaker 1>are on.

0:31:00.400 --> 0:31:01.520
<v Speaker 2>The side of the drug cartels.

0:31:02.440 --> 0:31:05.239
<v Speaker 1>But the fact of the matter is every part of

0:31:05.240 --> 0:31:10.560
<v Speaker 1>this policy, every part of this policy is arguably unconstitutional.

0:31:10.920 --> 0:31:14.440
<v Speaker 1>Every single thing that they've done so far is unconstitutional,

0:31:15.720 --> 0:31:19.600
<v Speaker 1>and there has not been any serious attempt to do

0:31:19.720 --> 0:31:24.320
<v Speaker 1>oversight on this, to check into this zero zip zilch.

0:31:25.560 --> 0:31:31.560
<v Speaker 1>A really disturbing story out of the Virginia Attorney General's race,

0:31:31.600 --> 0:31:36.920
<v Speaker 1>the Democratic nominee. This is just for Attorney General j Jones.

0:31:40.240 --> 0:31:44.560
<v Speaker 1>Screenshots of some private text messages that he sent in

0:31:44.640 --> 0:31:48.400
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty two. He sent these text messages to another

0:31:48.640 --> 0:31:50.880
<v Speaker 1>he was in the It was a delegate in the

0:31:50.920 --> 0:31:53.520
<v Speaker 1>State Assembly at the time in Virginia, and he sent

0:31:53.680 --> 0:31:58.080
<v Speaker 1>some messages to a Republican delegate named Kerry Corner. Corner

0:31:58.200 --> 0:32:03.200
<v Speaker 1>spelled coy n e R. And in these texts he

0:32:03.280 --> 0:32:07.440
<v Speaker 1>imagined scenarios he doesn't like the then House Assembly Speaker

0:32:08.000 --> 0:32:14.000
<v Speaker 1>Todd Gilbert. And in these texts, Jones imagines comparing the

0:32:14.040 --> 0:32:18.080
<v Speaker 1>speaker of the Republican Assembly Todd Gilbert, Adolf Hitler, and

0:32:18.120 --> 0:32:24.000
<v Speaker 1>Paul Pott. And he said if he had two bullets

0:32:24.200 --> 0:32:26.960
<v Speaker 1>and those were the three people. He said, Gilbert gets

0:32:27.000 --> 0:32:29.360
<v Speaker 1>two bullets to the head, what's this in a text

0:32:29.360 --> 0:32:34.320
<v Speaker 1>message to a fellow delegate, and then they go on

0:32:34.440 --> 0:32:36.320
<v Speaker 1>and he says it's something else and had to do

0:32:36.400 --> 0:32:40.680
<v Speaker 1>with a dispute over gun policy, and he sort of

0:32:41.040 --> 0:32:46.400
<v Speaker 1>fantasized about Gilbert having to deal with a child being shot.

0:32:47.600 --> 0:32:49.920
<v Speaker 1>And he also and he texted, only when people feel

0:32:49.960 --> 0:32:53.320
<v Speaker 1>pain personally do they move on policy. And it came

0:32:53.320 --> 0:32:56.320
<v Speaker 1>across as if he was hoping Gilbert's kids that Gilbert

0:32:56.320 --> 0:33:00.360
<v Speaker 1>would experience the death of his own kids be a

0:33:00.440 --> 0:33:04.920
<v Speaker 1>firearms And then he also said things like he referred

0:33:04.920 --> 0:33:08.920
<v Speaker 1>to urinating on graves of deceased political figures. He said,

0:33:08.920 --> 0:33:10.680
<v Speaker 1>if those guys died before me, I will go to

0:33:10.720 --> 0:33:13.280
<v Speaker 1>their funerals to piss on their graves. All of this

0:33:13.360 --> 0:33:16.280
<v Speaker 1>was publicized in the National Review. What was fascinating to

0:33:16.360 --> 0:33:21.400
<v Speaker 1>fault Watch was at first Jones came out, never didn't

0:33:21.480 --> 0:33:25.160
<v Speaker 1>confirm or deny the text, just simply said people get

0:33:25.200 --> 0:33:27.760
<v Speaker 1>overheated on you know, SA say crazy, you know, sometimes

0:33:27.800 --> 0:33:31.000
<v Speaker 1>say weird stuff on text. But this is being weaponized

0:33:31.000 --> 0:33:34.520
<v Speaker 1>and attacking the National Review because they're right of center publication.

0:33:35.240 --> 0:33:37.479
<v Speaker 1>I can just tell you. Audrey Fahlberg, who's the reporter here,

0:33:37.560 --> 0:33:40.360
<v Speaker 1>is a straight up reporter. She works in National Review,

0:33:40.400 --> 0:33:44.560
<v Speaker 1>but she is she is big Jay journalists. I've known her,

0:33:44.600 --> 0:33:49.680
<v Speaker 1>I've had her on my panels previously. She's she's going

0:33:49.760 --> 0:33:51.240
<v Speaker 1>to have her ducks in a row. Well, she had

0:33:51.240 --> 0:33:52.120
<v Speaker 1>her ducks in a row.

0:33:54.080 --> 0:33:54.800
<v Speaker 2>Very quickly.

0:33:55.160 --> 0:33:56.040
<v Speaker 1>J Jones.

0:33:57.360 --> 0:33:58.160
<v Speaker 2>Tune changed.

0:33:59.560 --> 0:34:02.920
<v Speaker 1>He suddenly tried to reach out to the speaker and apologize.

0:34:02.960 --> 0:34:06.680
<v Speaker 1>He was very deferential, but like in any of these things,

0:34:06.720 --> 0:34:09.760
<v Speaker 1>when you see this sort of horrible behavior and horrible

0:34:10.040 --> 0:34:15.200
<v Speaker 1>things and somebody apologizes, they're only apologizing after it was exposed, right,

0:34:16.160 --> 0:34:19.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, he never thought to apologize to the speaker

0:34:19.880 --> 0:34:25.480
<v Speaker 1>after that Republican State assembly person, she said, this is uncomfortable.

0:34:25.480 --> 0:34:27.160
<v Speaker 1>What are you doing? And by the way, he like

0:34:27.239 --> 0:34:30.120
<v Speaker 1>followed up with a phone call to her explaining his

0:34:30.200 --> 0:34:32.040
<v Speaker 1>rationale for what he was saying at the time. So

0:34:32.200 --> 0:34:34.719
<v Speaker 1>this was not this was not a heat of the

0:34:34.760 --> 0:34:41.279
<v Speaker 1>moment thing it's causing It is sort of one of

0:34:41.280 --> 0:34:45.080
<v Speaker 1>these This is a quintessential October surprise. In fact, the

0:34:45.160 --> 0:34:50.040
<v Speaker 1>story hit on October second, so welcome to October, right,

0:34:50.160 --> 0:34:53.560
<v Speaker 1>and election days in November, so it is a quintessential

0:34:53.560 --> 0:34:58.319
<v Speaker 1>October surprise. In the polling in Virginia, the governor's race

0:34:58.400 --> 0:35:02.239
<v Speaker 1>has been it's the dominant race. Yes, it is, it is,

0:35:02.360 --> 0:35:05.200
<v Speaker 1>and most polling is at Abigail's Bamberger, the Democrat over

0:35:05.239 --> 0:35:08.759
<v Speaker 1>Winston Earl Sears anywhere from seven to ten points. There's

0:35:08.800 --> 0:35:15.560
<v Speaker 1>a few polls that have had Ad Spamburger further ahead.

0:35:15.880 --> 0:35:18.719
<v Speaker 1>But the two races beneath the state wide race for

0:35:18.719 --> 0:35:20.719
<v Speaker 1>the lieutenant governor. In the state wide race for Attorney General,

0:35:20.719 --> 0:35:24.720
<v Speaker 1>where j Jones is has been, Democrats have held smaller

0:35:24.800 --> 0:35:28.560
<v Speaker 1>leads anywhere from four points in the in the LG

0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:31.480
<v Speaker 1>race to six points in the AG race. J Jones

0:35:31.480 --> 0:35:36.720
<v Speaker 1>been winning. Now of the three nominees for office, Jason Mireis,

0:35:36.800 --> 0:35:39.440
<v Speaker 1>the sitting Attorney General, is the only incumbent running for

0:35:39.480 --> 0:35:44.320
<v Speaker 1>the same office. Right the incumbent lieutenant governors Winston Earl Sears,

0:35:44.320 --> 0:35:47.480
<v Speaker 1>she's running for governor. So there's there's an open race

0:35:47.480 --> 0:35:49.759
<v Speaker 1>for the lieutenant governorship, an open race for the governorship.

0:35:50.640 --> 0:35:51.120
<v Speaker 2>But it's a.

0:35:53.440 --> 0:35:57.319
<v Speaker 1>It appears what we're going to find out is are

0:35:57.640 --> 0:36:02.719
<v Speaker 1>how strong is polar is in Virginia? Because I could

0:36:02.719 --> 0:36:05.280
<v Speaker 1>tell you this this is to me, what Jay Jones

0:36:05.280 --> 0:36:10.520
<v Speaker 1>said is disqualifying. I imagine many voters straight up, you

0:36:10.600 --> 0:36:13.080
<v Speaker 1>take everything else out of the equation, this would be disqualified.

0:36:13.160 --> 0:36:16.000
<v Speaker 1>I am surprised there hasn't been Democrats, a lot of

0:36:16.000 --> 0:36:17.759
<v Speaker 1>Republicans calling for him to get out of the race.

0:36:18.040 --> 0:36:21.879
<v Speaker 1>I'm surprised some Democrats haven't. I mean, remember it wasn't

0:36:21.880 --> 0:36:24.440
<v Speaker 1>that long ago when Ralph Northam was caught doing blackface.

0:36:25.040 --> 0:36:28.040
<v Speaker 1>It was Democrats that we're calling on Democrat Ralph Northam

0:36:28.040 --> 0:36:31.120
<v Speaker 1>to get out. Now we're seeing and this is in

0:36:31.160 --> 0:36:34.319
<v Speaker 1>many ways the Trump effect. Right Trump, there is the

0:36:34.360 --> 0:36:37.560
<v Speaker 1>MAGA movement, never apologize all this stuff, and you're starting

0:36:37.560 --> 0:36:39.560
<v Speaker 1>to see more on the left sort of adopt the

0:36:39.560 --> 0:36:44.960
<v Speaker 1>same mindset. So there's been condemnation of what he said,

0:36:45.880 --> 0:36:48.920
<v Speaker 1>but it's been this, well, he's got to try to

0:36:48.960 --> 0:36:51.080
<v Speaker 1>earn the voters he's he should go out there and

0:36:51.160 --> 0:36:55.319
<v Speaker 1>keep apologizing and earn voter trust. The problem is this

0:36:55.400 --> 0:36:58.000
<v Speaker 1>is a somebody running to be a law ahead of

0:36:58.040 --> 0:37:02.440
<v Speaker 1>a law enforcement agency, and you've got these things out there.

0:37:03.160 --> 0:37:06.920
<v Speaker 1>You may he may have to prosecute somebody for a

0:37:06.920 --> 0:37:12.080
<v Speaker 1>political hate crime. This is not this back This background

0:37:12.080 --> 0:37:15.880
<v Speaker 1>of his is going to make it. It's going to

0:37:15.920 --> 0:37:17.480
<v Speaker 1>make it a little bit harder for him to have

0:37:18.239 --> 0:37:18.840
<v Speaker 1>to have. Uh.

0:37:18.960 --> 0:37:20.680
<v Speaker 2>He may have legal the legal.

0:37:20.440 --> 0:37:23.560
<v Speaker 1>Ground to prosecute somebody, but he's certainly going to struggle

0:37:23.600 --> 0:37:28.279
<v Speaker 1>having some moral high grounds depending on what the situation is. Look,

0:37:28.520 --> 0:37:31.640
<v Speaker 1>there's no doubt that there is many that want to

0:37:31.680 --> 0:37:34.680
<v Speaker 1>just exploit anything they can find to prove that. You know,

0:37:34.760 --> 0:37:37.160
<v Speaker 1>the other side is more violent than than our than

0:37:37.280 --> 0:37:39.880
<v Speaker 1>than our side politically, whoever our side is in the

0:37:40.000 --> 0:37:44.480
<v Speaker 1>in the in the back and forth on this, I'm

0:37:44.960 --> 0:37:49.000
<v Speaker 1>would like to see some folks just simply say violence

0:37:49.080 --> 0:37:52.719
<v Speaker 1>is bad, hard stop. Sometimes it comes too much from

0:37:52.719 --> 0:37:54.640
<v Speaker 1>the right, and sometimes it comes too much from the left.

0:37:54.680 --> 0:37:57.919
<v Speaker 1>I don't want it at all, and we should be

0:37:58.239 --> 0:38:01.399
<v Speaker 1>hoping our leaders just want to turn the temperature down

0:38:02.040 --> 0:38:06.120
<v Speaker 1>and hold people accountable that are calling for an exploiting violence.

0:38:07.760 --> 0:38:10.320
<v Speaker 1>I'll just say politically, if the governor's race were closer,

0:38:10.760 --> 0:38:12.600
<v Speaker 1>I think Spandberger probably would have called for him to

0:38:12.600 --> 0:38:12.920
<v Speaker 1>get out.

0:38:13.920 --> 0:38:14.600
<v Speaker 2>But I don't think she.

0:38:15.080 --> 0:38:16.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't think they think they need to, And I

0:38:16.640 --> 0:38:23.240
<v Speaker 1>think there's such a nervousness about upsetting the Democratic base.

0:38:23.280 --> 0:38:26.640
<v Speaker 1>Who wants a bit more fight and you're gonna see

0:38:26.640 --> 0:38:29.840
<v Speaker 1>in the same way. The Republican base basically used to

0:38:29.880 --> 0:38:32.439
<v Speaker 1>care about character. Then Donald Trump came along, and there's

0:38:32.600 --> 0:38:36.320
<v Speaker 1>no longer anybody that seems to hold you know, character

0:38:36.360 --> 0:38:37.920
<v Speaker 1>doesn't count on the right anymore.

0:38:39.120 --> 0:38:41.160
<v Speaker 2>And watching the left.

0:38:41.320 --> 0:38:43.920
<v Speaker 1>Kind of I don't want to say, they're rallying around j. Jones,

0:38:43.960 --> 0:38:46.960
<v Speaker 1>but they're not calling for him to get out. This

0:38:47.080 --> 0:38:50.080
<v Speaker 1>is I've been sort of preaching about this for the

0:38:50.680 --> 0:38:53.840
<v Speaker 1>last few months that one of my greater fears was

0:38:53.840 --> 0:38:56.040
<v Speaker 1>was sort of the mindset if you can't beat them,

0:38:56.040 --> 0:38:59.120
<v Speaker 1>to join them and whatever you think is bad on

0:38:59.160 --> 0:39:01.960
<v Speaker 1>the other side. But if I think it's working, then

0:39:02.000 --> 0:39:05.960
<v Speaker 1>suddenly the other side says, you know, and look, I'm

0:39:06.000 --> 0:39:07.680
<v Speaker 1>coming in from a point of view that I believe

0:39:07.680 --> 0:39:09.799
<v Speaker 1>it's the left responding to the right. I know there

0:39:09.800 --> 0:39:11.880
<v Speaker 1>are some of my conservative friends out there, and says, no, no, no, no,

0:39:11.920 --> 0:39:15.879
<v Speaker 1>the right was only reacting to the left. Enough. Right,

0:39:16.360 --> 0:39:20.359
<v Speaker 1>that's not the point here we are, And I do

0:39:20.400 --> 0:39:26.000
<v Speaker 1>worry we are over that each radicalizing moment only radicalizes

0:39:26.120 --> 0:39:29.799
<v Speaker 1>the other side just as much. And this is a

0:39:29.840 --> 0:39:35.880
<v Speaker 1>disturbing situation. But I'm going to be this Virginia ag race,

0:39:36.760 --> 0:39:40.480
<v Speaker 1>does it have a trickle up effect. It's interesting Donald

0:39:40.520 --> 0:39:43.240
<v Speaker 1>Trump could have really weaponized it and tried to harm

0:39:43.560 --> 0:39:45.200
<v Speaker 1>the top of the ticket. It was interesting that he

0:39:45.280 --> 0:39:47.280
<v Speaker 1>chose not to. He doesn't seem to be that interested

0:39:47.280 --> 0:39:50.759
<v Speaker 1>in helping Winston Earl Sears on this front. I think

0:39:50.800 --> 0:39:54.040
<v Speaker 1>they are interested in helping me RS. So he is

0:39:54.080 --> 0:39:57.799
<v Speaker 1>a bit more of I think, a bit more Trump

0:39:57.840 --> 0:40:03.200
<v Speaker 1>friendly than she's been. But it's going to be interesting

0:40:03.239 --> 0:40:10.200
<v Speaker 1>to see, is there do you what do voters do

0:40:10.360 --> 0:40:12.880
<v Speaker 1>on this one? If you were not a fan of

0:40:12.920 --> 0:40:19.640
<v Speaker 1>the right, your center left, you're uncomfortable with what Jay

0:40:19.719 --> 0:40:21.880
<v Speaker 1>Jones did, maybe you don't like me? RS? What do

0:40:21.880 --> 0:40:22.120
<v Speaker 1>you do?

0:40:22.120 --> 0:40:27.040
<v Speaker 2>Do you skip the race? It's going to be I'm

0:40:27.080 --> 0:40:28.600
<v Speaker 2>going to be very coo. Will there be fall out?

0:40:29.000 --> 0:40:30.040
<v Speaker 2>Fall off? Voter?

0:40:31.200 --> 0:40:34.080
<v Speaker 1>Is polarization now so strong that this stuff doesn't matter?

0:40:36.680 --> 0:40:38.520
<v Speaker 1>We're going to find out that answer in thirty days.

0:40:40.440 --> 0:40:43.879
<v Speaker 1>But the substance of this is disturbing and it's disqualifying.

0:40:45.480 --> 0:40:48.480
<v Speaker 1>And I will say I am surprised that that, And

0:40:48.520 --> 0:40:50.960
<v Speaker 1>again maybe I shouldn't be surprised because we're living in

0:40:51.000 --> 0:40:55.160
<v Speaker 1>such polarized times, but it's surprising to me that that

0:40:55.239 --> 0:40:59.120
<v Speaker 1>no major Democrats are calling for Jones to get out. Look,

0:40:59.120 --> 0:41:05.200
<v Speaker 1>it would be conceding race and just and that's what

0:41:06.040 --> 0:41:08.320
<v Speaker 1>you have to just sort of realize what's happening here

0:41:09.040 --> 0:41:12.160
<v Speaker 1>is that winning the race is more important than I'm

0:41:12.200 --> 0:41:15.960
<v Speaker 1>more high right, that's American politics in twenty twenty five.

0:41:27.960 --> 0:41:29.080
<v Speaker 2>Let's go to the time machine.

0:41:29.120 --> 0:41:37.360
<v Speaker 1>It's the podcast time machine. As you know, this is

0:41:37.360 --> 0:41:41.040
<v Speaker 1>my history lesson of the week. So it's all about

0:41:41.120 --> 0:41:44.680
<v Speaker 1>finding important historical things that have happened in this So

0:41:45.120 --> 0:41:48.719
<v Speaker 1>for this week, it was October sixth through the twelfth,

0:41:50.239 --> 0:41:52.040
<v Speaker 1>and so we're going to go back in the toodcast

0:41:52.040 --> 0:41:57.520
<v Speaker 1>time machine. October eleventh, nineteen ninety one. It is the

0:41:57.600 --> 0:42:01.560
<v Speaker 1>day that a woman named Anita Hill testified before the

0:42:01.560 --> 0:42:05.520
<v Speaker 1>Senate Judiciary Committee about being sexually harassed in the workplace

0:42:06.640 --> 0:42:09.879
<v Speaker 1>by the a nominee for the Supreme Court named Judge

0:42:09.960 --> 0:42:16.120
<v Speaker 1>Clarence Thomas. It was a packed Senate Judiciary room. She

0:42:16.200 --> 0:42:18.399
<v Speaker 1>was a young law professor at the moment, Anita Hill,

0:42:19.440 --> 0:42:23.360
<v Speaker 1>She's sitting before an all male Senate Judiciary committee, not

0:42:23.440 --> 0:42:26.800
<v Speaker 1>a single woman senator. I think at the time you

0:42:26.880 --> 0:42:32.560
<v Speaker 1>had Barbara mcculsky in the Senate. Nancy Cassabam and I

0:42:32.640 --> 0:42:35.920
<v Speaker 1>think that was it at the time. But there was

0:42:35.960 --> 0:42:40.279
<v Speaker 1>no women on the Judiciary committee themselves, and she was

0:42:40.320 --> 0:42:43.440
<v Speaker 1>prepared to testify under oath about her former boss, Clarence

0:42:43.480 --> 0:42:50.480
<v Speaker 1>Thomas for three days. The country stopped. This is a

0:42:50.680 --> 0:42:53.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, so this is nineteen ninety one. This is

0:42:53.320 --> 0:42:56.640
<v Speaker 1>peak cap This is sort of we just got through

0:42:56.680 --> 0:43:00.319
<v Speaker 1>the Gulf War, which was peak cable television, and this

0:43:00.520 --> 0:43:03.640
<v Speaker 1>was sort of right there right this was you know,

0:43:04.200 --> 0:43:07.080
<v Speaker 1>this was and for about a five to six year period,

0:43:07.160 --> 0:43:10.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, you had you had the Gulf War one,

0:43:10.560 --> 0:43:15.880
<v Speaker 1>you had the Thomas hearings, and then we got to

0:43:15.920 --> 0:43:18.920
<v Speaker 1>OJ Simpson in ninety four. But it was this was

0:43:18.960 --> 0:43:21.879
<v Speaker 1>the sort of the peak of cable television. But this

0:43:21.920 --> 0:43:26.160
<v Speaker 1>is before social media, this is before smartphones, before the

0:43:26.200 --> 0:43:30.920
<v Speaker 1>me too movement. And I might now argue, and this

0:43:31.000 --> 0:43:32.719
<v Speaker 1>is something I'd like you guys to ponder and I'd

0:43:32.760 --> 0:43:36.760
<v Speaker 1>love to get your reacted that this is the Anita

0:43:36.880 --> 0:43:44.399
<v Speaker 1>Hill testimony. Is is is consequential culturally into society as

0:43:44.440 --> 0:43:47.200
<v Speaker 1>the Billy g King Bobby Riggs tennis match in the

0:43:47.239 --> 0:43:51.960
<v Speaker 1>seventies when it when it came to gender equality and

0:43:52.160 --> 0:43:57.800
<v Speaker 1>to at least the fight for gender equality on this front.

0:43:57.800 --> 0:43:59.799
<v Speaker 1>But let me go back through a little bit. Because

0:43:59.840 --> 0:44:04.360
<v Speaker 1>of the situation, what's amazing is that we even had

0:44:04.440 --> 0:44:10.080
<v Speaker 1>an open Supreme Court seat. So third good Marshal, who

0:44:10.200 --> 0:44:12.759
<v Speaker 1>was the first African American nominated the Supreme Court by

0:44:12.840 --> 0:44:17.400
<v Speaker 1>Lyndon Johnson, he decided to retire in June of ninety

0:44:17.440 --> 0:44:21.600
<v Speaker 1>one with a Republican president. But this tells you what

0:44:21.680 --> 0:44:23.280
<v Speaker 1>the political climate.

0:44:22.920 --> 0:44:24.200
<v Speaker 2>Was like back then.

0:44:24.600 --> 0:44:26.520
<v Speaker 1>It didn't seem like a big deal. He had a

0:44:26.520 --> 0:44:29.280
<v Speaker 1>Democratic Senate. By the way, this is the last Supreme

0:44:29.520 --> 0:44:36.120
<v Speaker 1>Clarence Thomas is the last Supreme Court justice nominated confirmed

0:44:36.400 --> 0:44:40.319
<v Speaker 1>with a where the Senate and the White House are

0:44:40.320 --> 0:44:44.160
<v Speaker 1>controlled by different parties. It was a Democratic controlled Senate

0:44:44.760 --> 0:44:49.120
<v Speaker 1>and a Republican White House. So Marshall says he just

0:44:49.160 --> 0:44:53.759
<v Speaker 1>doesn't think he can keep going, and he decides to

0:44:53.800 --> 0:44:57.359
<v Speaker 1>retire in June of ninety one. So it meant that

0:44:57.960 --> 0:45:02.200
<v Speaker 1>George HW. Bush forty one, had to make a decision.

0:45:02.800 --> 0:45:05.120
<v Speaker 1>This was the lone African American and the Supreme Court.

0:45:05.560 --> 0:45:09.640
<v Speaker 1>Now Bush had already successfully nominated and confirmed David Suitor

0:45:10.040 --> 0:45:14.799
<v Speaker 1>to replace Justice Brennan. Suitor was already showing signs that

0:45:14.840 --> 0:45:18.440
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't the conservative that John Soon Nunu, who was

0:45:18.440 --> 0:45:20.560
<v Speaker 1>Bush's chief of staff at the time. This is Johnson U,

0:45:20.840 --> 0:45:24.400
<v Speaker 1>senior former governor of New Hampshire, father of Chris Snunu

0:45:24.400 --> 0:45:26.799
<v Speaker 1>and Johnny sun Nunu who have frequently talked about for

0:45:26.840 --> 0:45:30.080
<v Speaker 1>New Hampshire politics. David Suitor was a New Hampshire guy

0:45:30.160 --> 0:45:33.680
<v Speaker 1>and Snunu vouched for him. And you know, he was

0:45:33.760 --> 0:45:37.480
<v Speaker 1>quickly already seen as not conservative enough for conservatives, so

0:45:37.520 --> 0:45:39.239
<v Speaker 1>they weren't going to screw this up this time. They

0:45:39.239 --> 0:45:44.319
<v Speaker 1>were going to find a conservative. And there was a

0:45:44.360 --> 0:45:46.960
<v Speaker 1>young African American conservative that was being groomed. He had

0:45:46.960 --> 0:45:49.760
<v Speaker 1>been fast truck. Clarence Thomas was on the d C circuit,

0:45:49.760 --> 0:45:54.080
<v Speaker 1>which is the place that you fast track Supreme Court nominees.

0:45:55.080 --> 0:45:58.319
<v Speaker 1>Forty three years old, very young at the time. He

0:45:58.360 --> 0:46:00.680
<v Speaker 1>only had one year of judicial experiences, but he had

0:46:00.680 --> 0:46:03.560
<v Speaker 1>a long resume working in both the Reagan and Bush administrations.

0:46:03.600 --> 0:46:07.759
<v Speaker 1>EEOC is where he was working when Anita Hill ended

0:46:07.800 --> 0:46:11.200
<v Speaker 1>up testifying about her time there, and it was it

0:46:11.239 --> 0:46:13.600
<v Speaker 1>was during that time. I mean, this is sort of

0:46:13.640 --> 0:46:15.560
<v Speaker 1>the irony right. Thomas was serving as chair of the

0:46:15.680 --> 0:46:20.600
<v Speaker 1>Equal Employment Opportunity Commission EEOC. This is the agency that

0:46:20.640 --> 0:46:28.759
<v Speaker 1>investigates workplace discribination. But there he was skeptical of affirmative

0:46:28.760 --> 0:46:31.960
<v Speaker 1>action and he was already he was.

0:46:32.200 --> 0:46:33.759
<v Speaker 2>She was showing he was a.

0:46:33.480 --> 0:46:36.520
<v Speaker 1>He was much more conservative than David Souter, that was

0:46:36.640 --> 0:46:37.960
<v Speaker 1>going to be clear. But he didn't have a huge

0:46:37.960 --> 0:46:41.640
<v Speaker 1>paper trail. And that was the beginning of you know,

0:46:41.640 --> 0:46:44.200
<v Speaker 1>that was sort of the beginning of this idea, find

0:46:44.440 --> 0:46:47.560
<v Speaker 1>judicial nominees with very little paper trail. And this is now,

0:46:47.600 --> 0:46:53.000
<v Speaker 1>of course, how all Supreme Court justices are fired. It's

0:46:53.120 --> 0:46:58.160
<v Speaker 1>it's fast tracking, it's et cetera. So Thomas gets through

0:46:58.239 --> 0:47:01.080
<v Speaker 1>his initial confirmation hearing, the first round of the hearings.

0:47:01.080 --> 0:47:04.400
<v Speaker 1>They were in September. They were pretty low key, you know,

0:47:04.440 --> 0:47:07.080
<v Speaker 1>he did what most Supreme Court nominees do, said little.

0:47:08.440 --> 0:47:10.640
<v Speaker 1>When asked about Roe v. Wade, he claimed he'd never

0:47:10.680 --> 0:47:16.840
<v Speaker 1>really discussed it. Obviously people didn't believe that, but he

0:47:17.040 --> 0:47:19.080
<v Speaker 1>was not going to answer the question. And this was

0:47:19.080 --> 0:47:22.799
<v Speaker 1>sort of this became the norm for Supreme Court justice

0:47:22.840 --> 0:47:27.520
<v Speaker 1>nominees going forward. But his was a This was a

0:47:27.560 --> 0:47:30.120
<v Speaker 1>democratic led committee. The chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee

0:47:30.080 --> 0:47:32.840
<v Speaker 1>at the time was a Delaware senator named Joseph Arbiden.

0:47:34.200 --> 0:47:36.680
<v Speaker 1>The committee deadlock seven to seven, believe it or not.

0:47:37.719 --> 0:47:41.520
<v Speaker 1>On the first round of the hearings, all six Republicans

0:47:41.560 --> 0:47:44.439
<v Speaker 1>and one Democrat, Dennis Deaconcini of Arizona at the time,

0:47:44.840 --> 0:47:48.120
<v Speaker 1>voted yes on the nomination. Now Deaconcini would eventually vote

0:47:48.200 --> 0:47:51.360
<v Speaker 1>no on Thomas's nomination. He claimed that he voted yes

0:47:51.760 --> 0:47:54.840
<v Speaker 1>simply to allow the committee to be deadlocked so that

0:47:54.920 --> 0:47:57.200
<v Speaker 1>it could go to the floor of the Senate. In

0:47:57.280 --> 0:47:59.920
<v Speaker 1>a deadlock, you can vote the committee after they deadlocked

0:48:00.120 --> 0:48:04.239
<v Speaker 1>whether to recommend Thomas for the job, to the floor

0:48:04.239 --> 0:48:06.880
<v Speaker 1>of the Senate. With the deadlock, then they vote to

0:48:07.480 --> 0:48:13.439
<v Speaker 1>let the Senate decide. And then came the new story.

0:48:13.440 --> 0:48:16.760
<v Speaker 1>In October sixth, two reporters, Nina Totenberg over at MPR

0:48:17.040 --> 0:48:21.000
<v Speaker 1>Tim Phelps over at Newsday broke the bombshell allegations from

0:48:21.040 --> 0:48:26.120
<v Speaker 1>Anita Hill. This happened on October sixth, so things move fast,

0:48:27.239 --> 0:48:31.360
<v Speaker 1>these allegations. She shared her story with the FBI weeks earlier.

0:48:31.840 --> 0:48:34.480
<v Speaker 1>This was not This was something that was already happening,

0:48:34.800 --> 0:48:38.279
<v Speaker 1>and it finally finally sort of made it into the

0:48:38.280 --> 0:48:42.080
<v Speaker 1>public record. So quickly the Senate had to reopen hearings

0:48:42.719 --> 0:48:47.160
<v Speaker 1>October eleventh, nineteen ninety one. The entire worldwide, nobody was

0:48:47.160 --> 0:48:50.759
<v Speaker 1>watching the Thomas hearings the first time. Everybody watched the

0:48:50.760 --> 0:48:54.399
<v Speaker 1>Thomas hearings the second time. Clarence Thomas forty three, Nita Hill,

0:48:54.440 --> 0:48:58.800
<v Speaker 1>thirty five years old. She was soft spoken, she was deliberate.

0:48:59.040 --> 0:49:01.320
<v Speaker 1>She was pretty nervous. You could see it. She testified

0:49:01.320 --> 0:49:03.200
<v Speaker 1>that when she worked for Thomas at the Department of

0:49:03.280 --> 0:49:07.040
<v Speaker 1>Education and later at EEOC, she claimed he made repeated

0:49:07.040 --> 0:49:11.640
<v Speaker 1>sexual remarks, graphically talked about pornography, talked about body parts,

0:49:12.000 --> 0:49:13.960
<v Speaker 1>and then of course one of the there were two

0:49:14.000 --> 0:49:17.560
<v Speaker 1>sort of sticky viral things said during this hearing that

0:49:17.560 --> 0:49:21.680
<v Speaker 1>that sort of became in the cultural lexicon for a while.

0:49:22.080 --> 0:49:26.279
<v Speaker 1>One was pubic hair on my coke can, which Orne

0:49:26.280 --> 0:49:32.840
<v Speaker 1>Hatch would argue was misremembered from The Exorcist, and then

0:49:32.280 --> 0:49:35.960
<v Speaker 1>a Corno film that he supposedly described in the workplace

0:49:36.000 --> 0:49:37.839
<v Speaker 1>called Long Dong Silver.

0:49:40.120 --> 0:49:40.319
<v Speaker 2>Now.

0:49:40.360 --> 0:49:42.520
<v Speaker 1>Hill said she followed Thomas. I mean, one of the

0:49:42.520 --> 0:49:47.080
<v Speaker 1>things that made her made her some question her allegations

0:49:47.120 --> 0:49:48.960
<v Speaker 1>is that if she didn't like working for him, she

0:49:49.000 --> 0:49:51.560
<v Speaker 1>was uncomfortable, why did she follow him to another job.

0:49:55.280 --> 0:49:57.240
<v Speaker 1>She said she followed Thomas from one job to another

0:49:57.280 --> 0:50:01.000
<v Speaker 1>out of professional obligation and fear of retaliation, and when

0:50:01.000 --> 0:50:03.600
<v Speaker 1>she was asked why she didn't come forward sooner, she

0:50:03.680 --> 0:50:06.440
<v Speaker 1>simply said, I had nothing to gain and everything to lose.

0:50:07.480 --> 0:50:10.759
<v Speaker 1>And any woman that is at that time period, and

0:50:10.800 --> 0:50:16.200
<v Speaker 1>it's really important. I think people understand that there was

0:50:16.360 --> 0:50:20.320
<v Speaker 1>rhetorically talk of equal treatment of women in the workplace,

0:50:20.320 --> 0:50:22.920
<v Speaker 1>but that didn't mean it was really happening. You know,

0:50:23.880 --> 0:50:27.200
<v Speaker 1>my mother was worked in the seventies. The stories she

0:50:27.239 --> 0:50:30.480
<v Speaker 1>would tell about the way men treated her in the workplace,

0:50:32.480 --> 0:50:35.239
<v Speaker 1>We've all seen it. My wife's had her share of

0:50:35.320 --> 0:50:38.520
<v Speaker 1>stories that she has shared with me over the years.

0:50:39.640 --> 0:50:44.640
<v Speaker 1>This has been a you know, we can claim it's

0:50:44.680 --> 0:50:47.760
<v Speaker 1>our grandfather's generation that were worse than our father's generation,

0:50:47.920 --> 0:50:50.320
<v Speaker 1>that are worse than our generation, and that are worse.

0:50:50.160 --> 0:50:51.520
<v Speaker 2>Than my son's tory, etc. Etc.

0:50:52.040 --> 0:50:54.480
<v Speaker 1>But the fact is it hasn't been equal, and in

0:50:54.520 --> 0:50:57.839
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety one it is. You ask any woman, yes,

0:50:58.480 --> 0:51:00.759
<v Speaker 1>you had a lot to lose because these jobs there

0:51:00.760 --> 0:51:04.719
<v Speaker 1>was always a woman a woman's seat. You know, there

0:51:04.760 --> 0:51:06.799
<v Speaker 1>was this perception that there was only room for one

0:51:06.880 --> 0:51:09.200
<v Speaker 1>woman in a managerial position.

0:51:08.960 --> 0:51:11.719
<v Speaker 2>And so they just was it just was it? So?

0:51:12.360 --> 0:51:15.880
<v Speaker 1>Yes, it was not surprising to women that they'd be like,

0:51:16.000 --> 0:51:18.799
<v Speaker 1>you know, hey, I had a lot to lose here,

0:51:19.080 --> 0:51:21.919
<v Speaker 1>and I was afraid. I think a lot of men

0:51:22.120 --> 0:51:26.359
<v Speaker 1>did not understand that. You could say they chose to

0:51:26.400 --> 0:51:27.880
<v Speaker 1>not understand it, but it was clear a lot of

0:51:27.920 --> 0:51:32.520
<v Speaker 1>men didn't understand that. And she was grilled relentlessly. Arlen

0:51:32.520 --> 0:51:35.640
<v Speaker 1>Specter accused her of lying or in hatch like I said,

0:51:35.680 --> 0:51:39.880
<v Speaker 1>suggested that the pubic hair coke can was something she

0:51:39.920 --> 0:51:43.799
<v Speaker 1>was remembering from the movie The Exorcist. Alan Simpson warned

0:51:43.800 --> 0:51:46.160
<v Speaker 1>her that she'd face a campaign to destroy her reputation,

0:51:48.800 --> 0:51:53.760
<v Speaker 1>and women were pissed. They were galvanized by this, understandably,

0:51:54.360 --> 0:51:56.719
<v Speaker 1>but it was the first time that sexual harassment was

0:51:56.760 --> 0:52:02.200
<v Speaker 1>really talked about publicly right there for everybody and everybody.

0:52:02.560 --> 0:52:03.839
<v Speaker 2>Husbands and wives.

0:52:03.480 --> 0:52:08.200
<v Speaker 1>Had uncomfortable conversations, brothers and sisters had uncomfortable A lot

0:52:08.239 --> 0:52:11.720
<v Speaker 1>of men were being educated by women in their.

0:52:11.600 --> 0:52:15.120
<v Speaker 2>Lives that hey, I believe in need a hill.

0:52:15.680 --> 0:52:17.880
<v Speaker 1>That became the thing that women would I believe.

0:52:17.640 --> 0:52:18.160
<v Speaker 2>In need a hill.

0:52:20.600 --> 0:52:24.480
<v Speaker 1>Now, Thomas saved himself because he did sort of you know,

0:52:24.640 --> 0:52:27.640
<v Speaker 1>what we now know is the Kavanaugh where you know,

0:52:27.680 --> 0:52:32.000
<v Speaker 1>well Kavanaugh borrowed it from somebody, right, A lot of

0:52:32.000 --> 0:52:35.960
<v Speaker 1>conservatives believe Robert Bork didn't fight hard enough when he

0:52:36.000 --> 0:52:38.279
<v Speaker 1>was up for when he when his confirmation with the

0:52:38.280 --> 0:52:43.080
<v Speaker 1>Supreme Court failed in eighty seven. So Thomas rebutted, and

0:52:43.200 --> 0:52:45.680
<v Speaker 1>he was visibly angry. He called the hearings a high

0:52:45.719 --> 0:52:48.880
<v Speaker 1>tech lynching for uppity blacks who in any way deigned

0:52:48.920 --> 0:52:55.680
<v Speaker 1>to think for themselves. And look, there weren't many. There

0:52:55.680 --> 0:52:58.960
<v Speaker 1>weren't any African Americans on that set of judiciary panel

0:52:59.000 --> 0:53:06.200
<v Speaker 1>either alone women. And he made he made a lot

0:53:06.280 --> 0:53:09.080
<v Speaker 1>of He went up there and made it, hey, I'm

0:53:09.080 --> 0:53:11.320
<v Speaker 1>being attacked because I'm a conservative black man.

0:53:12.920 --> 0:53:13.640
<v Speaker 2>And so race.

0:53:14.200 --> 0:53:18.520
<v Speaker 1>So here we had gender and race and ideology all

0:53:18.560 --> 0:53:27.919
<v Speaker 1>in this toxic political stud And look, the public wasn't

0:53:27.920 --> 0:53:33.719
<v Speaker 1>in favor of Thomas's confirmation, and then after Thomas testified,

0:53:34.200 --> 0:53:39.960
<v Speaker 1>it flipped. It was effective politically. So on October fifteenth,

0:53:40.680 --> 0:53:46.520
<v Speaker 1>four days after she testifies, the Senate confirms Thomas fifty

0:53:46.560 --> 0:53:53.000
<v Speaker 1>two to forty eight, a bipartisan vote. And again, Republican president,

0:53:53.080 --> 0:54:01.919
<v Speaker 1>Democratic Senate, you had eleven Democrats voted with the Republicans

0:54:01.920 --> 0:54:07.160
<v Speaker 1>to confirm Thomas. Most of them were in the South.

0:54:07.600 --> 0:54:11.480
<v Speaker 1>Bennett Johnston of Louisiana, Rick Shelby and Alabama was a Democrat,

0:54:11.560 --> 0:54:13.319
<v Speaker 1>then he would switch parties in ninety four, but this

0:54:13.400 --> 0:54:16.840
<v Speaker 1>was ninety one. David Bourne of Oklahoma, John Brove of Louisiana,

0:54:16.880 --> 0:54:20.200
<v Speaker 1>how Efflin of Alabama, Fritz Hollings of South Carolina, Sam

0:54:20.280 --> 0:54:26.960
<v Speaker 1>Nunn of Georgia, Terry Sandford of North Carolina. And then

0:54:27.000 --> 0:54:33.080
<v Speaker 1>you'll said Alan Dixon and Harry Reid. So they were

0:54:33.120 --> 0:54:36.840
<v Speaker 1>the s votes. Now, interestingly, two Republicans voted Noah Thomas.

0:54:37.040 --> 0:54:39.960
<v Speaker 1>Two Republican senators at the time, Low Wyker of Connecticut

0:54:39.960 --> 0:54:42.200
<v Speaker 1>who would later leave the Republican Party and win a

0:54:42.239 --> 0:54:45.400
<v Speaker 1>governorship in Connecticut as an independent, and Jim Jefferts, a

0:54:45.440 --> 0:54:48.800
<v Speaker 1>Republican for Ramont who would later leave the party, switch

0:54:48.840 --> 0:54:56.440
<v Speaker 1>parties and give the Democrats fifty to fifty Senate control

0:54:57.800 --> 0:55:02.400
<v Speaker 1>control of the Senate during the the second Bush term.

0:55:06.000 --> 0:55:08.839
<v Speaker 1>At the time you did have those Southern senators. There

0:55:08.840 --> 0:55:10.839
<v Speaker 1>were sort of two theories of the cases. Why did

0:55:11.320 --> 0:55:14.880
<v Speaker 1>most of the Southern Democratic senators vote to confirm Thomas.

0:55:14.880 --> 0:55:17.200
<v Speaker 1>One is a lot of them a lot of them

0:55:17.200 --> 0:55:22.160
<v Speaker 1>thought that some of them thought there was a political

0:55:22.239 --> 0:55:25.520
<v Speaker 1>thought out there that African Americans would be upset if

0:55:25.560 --> 0:55:28.719
<v Speaker 1>they voted against putting another African American on the court,

0:55:29.719 --> 0:55:32.800
<v Speaker 1>even though most African Americans were actually against the Thomas

0:55:32.880 --> 0:55:37.839
<v Speaker 1>nomination more on political grounds, on ideological grounds. So there

0:55:37.880 --> 0:55:39.360
<v Speaker 1>was a little bit of that. But the fact is

0:55:39.400 --> 0:55:43.560
<v Speaker 1>these were all conservative Democrats, and many of them today

0:55:43.680 --> 0:55:47.040
<v Speaker 1>could not get nominations. There were very much this is

0:55:47.080 --> 0:55:51.000
<v Speaker 1>the Southern Conservative. There's sort of the last bastion of

0:55:51.440 --> 0:55:57.680
<v Speaker 1>those few other footnotes on this. Anita Hill's never forgiven

0:55:57.800 --> 0:56:02.000
<v Speaker 1>Joe Biden for how she was treated look Biden. Ever,

0:56:02.200 --> 0:56:05.680
<v Speaker 1>Biden obviously held the hearing, he chaired the hearing, but

0:56:05.760 --> 0:56:07.839
<v Speaker 1>she always felt that he didn't protect her very well.

0:56:08.800 --> 0:56:12.040
<v Speaker 1>The way the hearings were held put her in vulnerable positions.

0:56:12.680 --> 0:56:16.239
<v Speaker 1>When he ran for president the third time, he called.

0:56:16.760 --> 0:56:18.720
<v Speaker 2>Her to apologize. She didn't.

0:56:19.440 --> 0:56:22.239
<v Speaker 1>She didn't really consider it an apology. She said the following,

0:56:22.600 --> 0:56:24.840
<v Speaker 1>I cannot be satisfied by simply saying I'm sorry for

0:56:24.880 --> 0:56:27.080
<v Speaker 1>what happened to you. The harm was done to more

0:56:27.120 --> 0:56:29.160
<v Speaker 1>than me, to the integrity of the process and to

0:56:29.200 --> 0:56:33.359
<v Speaker 1>the confidence women could have in it. Biden went further

0:56:33.400 --> 0:56:35.920
<v Speaker 1>in public when it was clear that Anita Hill hadn't

0:56:35.960 --> 0:56:38.799
<v Speaker 1>really accepted his apology. He said, quote, I wish I

0:56:38.800 --> 0:56:40.759
<v Speaker 1>could have done more to protect her and admitted that

0:56:40.800 --> 0:56:45.280
<v Speaker 1>she paid a terrible price. But she still pretty pointed

0:56:45.280 --> 0:56:47.759
<v Speaker 1>in her critique and that Biden's desire for bipartisan to

0:56:47.800 --> 0:56:50.920
<v Speaker 1>Korma ninety one came at the expense she believes of

0:56:51.120 --> 0:56:56.240
<v Speaker 1>justice and fairness to her. But look that those hearings,

0:56:56.280 --> 0:56:59.680
<v Speaker 1>while he got confirmed, it triggered the first year of

0:56:59.719 --> 0:57:04.200
<v Speaker 1>the woman In ninety two, you had women democratic nominees

0:57:04.239 --> 0:57:07.520
<v Speaker 1>all over the country. More women were elected to the

0:57:07.560 --> 0:57:10.479
<v Speaker 1>US Senate in that year than any year previous ever.

0:57:12.520 --> 0:57:19.280
<v Speaker 1>And the slow march towards equality of gender equity in

0:57:19.400 --> 0:57:25.080
<v Speaker 1>politics began after those hearings, and over time you have

0:57:25.160 --> 0:57:28.200
<v Speaker 1>seen an increased number of women in politics to the

0:57:28.240 --> 0:57:30.120
<v Speaker 1>point where you've had the state of Nevada had a

0:57:30.160 --> 0:57:33.680
<v Speaker 1>majority of women in the legislature. More women than men

0:57:34.000 --> 0:57:36.480
<v Speaker 1>were serving in the Nevada legislature.

0:57:36.560 --> 0:57:37.560
<v Speaker 2>So it.

0:57:39.200 --> 0:57:42.760
<v Speaker 1>Supercharged the power of Emily's List for about a fifteen

0:57:42.800 --> 0:57:48.400
<v Speaker 1>year period. I mean, it really sort of got them

0:57:48.440 --> 0:57:50.720
<v Speaker 1>the resources they needed to get more women to run

0:57:50.760 --> 0:57:53.520
<v Speaker 1>for office. And like I said that nineteen ninety two

0:57:54.000 --> 0:57:57.760
<v Speaker 1>Senate here Diane Feinstein and Barbara Boxer become the first

0:57:57.800 --> 0:58:00.400
<v Speaker 1>two women elected to the US Senate in Californi. In

0:58:00.440 --> 0:58:02.320
<v Speaker 1>the same year, there was a special election because of

0:58:02.600 --> 0:58:04.880
<v Speaker 1>the Pete Wilson. Pete Wilson was a Senator and got

0:58:04.920 --> 0:58:07.800
<v Speaker 1>elected governor, and there was there was a temporary Speinstein

0:58:07.840 --> 0:58:10.040
<v Speaker 1>actually won a to your seat. When she won that seat.

0:58:11.120 --> 0:58:14.200
<v Speaker 1>There you had Democratic women nominee who would lose. One

0:58:14.200 --> 0:58:17.600
<v Speaker 1>would lose to Arlen Spector, a woman named lynn Yeakel,

0:58:17.760 --> 0:58:22.440
<v Speaker 1>but a nominee in Pennsylvania. Nonetheless, Geraldine Ferraro running for

0:58:22.480 --> 0:58:26.600
<v Speaker 1>the Senate in New York. So it was I remember

0:58:26.640 --> 0:58:30.160
<v Speaker 1>that Democratic convention that was a huge statement. Barbara Boxer

0:58:30.200 --> 0:58:32.480
<v Speaker 1>in particular would say she probably wouldn't have run for

0:58:32.480 --> 0:58:34.840
<v Speaker 1>the Senate had it not been for the Anita Hill hearings.

0:58:35.120 --> 0:58:41.600
<v Speaker 1>So it really did supercharge a generation of women to

0:58:41.640 --> 0:58:46.640
<v Speaker 1>go into politics. It really empowered Emily's List. And it's

0:58:46.680 --> 0:58:51.600
<v Speaker 1>just a consequential, just extraordinarily consequential moment, and they're still

0:58:51.640 --> 0:58:54.920
<v Speaker 1>reverb today and with when it comes to gender equity,

0:58:55.560 --> 0:58:57.960
<v Speaker 1>it's always two steps forward, one step back, And maybe

0:58:58.040 --> 0:59:01.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying that from a male perspective. I think my

0:59:01.000 --> 0:59:05.560
<v Speaker 1>wife would sometimes say it's three steps forward, two and

0:59:05.600 --> 0:59:09.280
<v Speaker 1>a half steps back. She will acknowledge there's incremental progress,

0:59:09.320 --> 0:59:12.480
<v Speaker 1>but it's it's not the leaps in the bounds that

0:59:12.520 --> 0:59:16.360
<v Speaker 1>I think that that many women thought we would be

0:59:16.360 --> 0:59:22.600
<v Speaker 1>be at by now considering what happened in October ninety one.

0:59:22.840 --> 0:59:25.520
<v Speaker 1>But I do think the Anita Hill hearings, they're that

0:59:25.920 --> 0:59:31.080
<v Speaker 1>there's still incredibly consequential. But you know, one other footnote

0:59:31.520 --> 0:59:35.720
<v Speaker 1>on that. So Third Good Marshal. You know, these days,

0:59:35.920 --> 0:59:40.320
<v Speaker 1>right with the there's still some there's still some frustration

0:59:41.680 --> 0:59:45.120
<v Speaker 1>on the left that Ruth Bader Ginsburg didn't retire while

0:59:45.120 --> 0:59:47.920
<v Speaker 1>there was a Democratic president while Obama was president to

0:59:48.000 --> 0:59:50.120
<v Speaker 1>guarantee that her seat. With the other way, there was

0:59:50.160 --> 0:59:54.200
<v Speaker 1>none of that conversation around Thirdgod Marshal. Ironically, he would

0:59:54.360 --> 0:59:58.840
<v Speaker 1>end up dying four days after Bill Clinton took the

0:59:58.880 --> 1:00:03.280
<v Speaker 1>oath of office nineteen ninety three. All right, there's your podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>time machine. Now I'm gonna do a couple of I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna sneak in two questions. I've gone a long today

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm gonna do my little football update as well,

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<v Speaker 1>so let me get.

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<v Speaker 2>My questions here, ask Chuck.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, this comes from Dan. He says, Hey, Chuck,

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<v Speaker 1>I have a simple question with Secretary of heggsas Quantico

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<v Speaker 1>speech the first step towards a presidential campaign. Keep up

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<v Speaker 1>the good work, you know, Dan. The answer is yes,

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<v Speaker 1>he definitely. It is my understanding that he does think

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<v Speaker 1>he's running for president.

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<v Speaker 2>He has had visions of this. I just I will

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<v Speaker 2>tell you if you're just looking for.

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<v Speaker 1>Car crash type of campaign to watch, JD Vance, Pete

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<v Speaker 1>haig Seth, Bobby Kennedy, Tulsea Gabbard, Rand Paul at your

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<v Speaker 1>Republican primary right now, maybe Glenn Youngkin. But just think

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<v Speaker 1>about that hag Seth. It's I think you're going to see.

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<v Speaker 1>But but I, in all seriousness, I was talking with

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<v Speaker 1>some uh, some pretty wired conservatives that are kind of

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<v Speaker 1>MAGA adjacent, and there's definitely a growing let's just say,

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<v Speaker 1>Vance world is looking a little side eye at Hagseeth.

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<v Speaker 1>I you know, I kind of think that's laughable. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I think hag Seth is just isn't going to go anywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think there would even be a ton of

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<v Speaker 1>military support for him. I really don't. I think there's

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<v Speaker 1>I think that he's just not I mean, he's proven

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<v Speaker 1>to be even more unqualif fight for this job, then

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<v Speaker 1>folks anticipated. But hey, this is the Donald Trump effect, right,

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of people now think, hey, why not me?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm looking at you, Paul fine baumb for you a Senate.

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<v Speaker 1>I do think this is the Trump effect where it

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<v Speaker 1>just made everybody think, Hey, I got a closet full

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<v Speaker 1>of skeletons. It doesn't matter, does it. I can go viral.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got this money person or this constituency or this quirkiness,

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<v Speaker 1>And so what if I lose, I'll make money on

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<v Speaker 1>the speaking circuit, or I'll make money being a podcaster.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, I wouldn't rule out Howard Lucknick running.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think I think he's gotten the bug.

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<v Speaker 1>I think his ego is just inflating as we go.

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<v Speaker 1>So it could be quite this sort of maga knife fight,

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<v Speaker 1>which maybe how Glenn Youngkin ends.

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<v Speaker 2>Up the nominee.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, Austin from Austin, I've had him before. Hey, since

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<v Speaker 1>I like that I've been wrestling with how often we've

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<v Speaker 1>bent the constitution or democratic principles in the name of

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<v Speaker 1>saving the country, the idea that the ends justify the

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<v Speaker 1>means in an emergency. It feels like each time we do,

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<v Speaker 1>we lose legitimacy, even when it's done by good people.

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<v Speaker 1>History may vindicate Lincoln or FDR, but it still raises

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<v Speaker 1>a question if we can sidestep our principles, what do

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<v Speaker 1>they really mean? I'd love your take. Are there are

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<v Speaker 1>these ideals too rigid? Or are they the very thing

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<v Speaker 1>holding it all together? Look, I mean you're I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm we're each preaching to each other on this right.

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<v Speaker 1>I think when you governed by ends, justify the means.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, there's never I was really disturbed right when

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<v Speaker 1>it was a Senator Cynthia Lummas who says, I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>First Amendment person, but sometimes you've got to suspend them. No,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no sometimes, right, the Bill of Rights is the

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<v Speaker 1>Bill of rights? You know, there is no sometimes the

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<v Speaker 1>Constitution is there? There is no sometimes? And you know

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<v Speaker 1>this is I continue to believe that in the next

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<v Speaker 1>ten years we are going to see more folks, more

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<v Speaker 1>serious reformers, left right and center, pushing for a constitutional

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<v Speaker 1>convention realizing that we got to put we got to

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<v Speaker 1>put more of these rules in the constitution, not less.

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<v Speaker 1>We got to probably put some of these norms that

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<v Speaker 1>we thought everybody was going to bide by and make

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<v Speaker 1>them constitutional amendments. And we've if there is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be bending, then propose an amendment. Don't bend it, right,

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<v Speaker 1>propose an amendment, and let's see if if, if, this

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<v Speaker 1>is the way we have it. But I think we

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<v Speaker 1>need a good civics lesson on the Constitution, a good

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<v Speaker 1>reminder that that's that's our rule book, and that's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there is no suspending or bending or any of those things.

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<v Speaker 1>And then when you start to do it, you're you're

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<v Speaker 1>only rationalizing your political opponents to do the same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And when we go about this and again it goes back,

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<v Speaker 1>our incentives are horrible. So you know, ultimately, I do

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<v Speaker 1>think this begins with electoral reform. If we're tired of

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<v Speaker 1>these horrible decisions being made by ideologues, then we have

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<v Speaker 1>to change the incentives for the electorate, change the incentives

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<v Speaker 1>for politicians so they're not so ideologically rigid when they govern.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, they get away with it because they have

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<v Speaker 1>found the voters that want them to. If we can

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<v Speaker 1>have more voters involved in this process of who decides

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<v Speaker 1>who's our leaders, because right now we don't. We need

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<v Speaker 1>more voters involved in these decisions, not less. And until

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<v Speaker 1>we get more voters involved with the decisions of electing

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<v Speaker 1>our leaders, we're going to have more and more of

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<v Speaker 1>this and justifies the means thwarting of the Constitution.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, I'm going to give my quick little college

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<v Speaker 2>football update. So I am.

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<v Speaker 1>If I was just doing University of Miami football talk,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd say, boy, the system really hates Miami. What more

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<v Speaker 1>does Miami have to do to prove they're the number

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<v Speaker 1>one team in the country? Right, They've easily now have

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<v Speaker 1>the best resume of anybody out there. The resume is

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<v Speaker 1>better than Oregon's, right, Penn State losing the UCLA. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>the people that Miami's beaten have gone on to beat

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<v Speaker 1>good teams. Florida beats Texas, Notre Dame as beaten Boise State.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's see what Florida does against Texas, A and m

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<v Speaker 1>for what it's worth. So you know, but I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 1>personally as a fan, I don't want Miami rank number

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<v Speaker 1>one yet.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to be number one at the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the season.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't give a damn about now, I get a

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<v Speaker 1>little The only thing I get a little nervous about

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<v Speaker 1>with Miami is the ability to close out these games.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like we overthink everything gets It's like, come on,

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<v Speaker 1>coach Crystal Ball, let's you know, let's uh, we need

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<v Speaker 1>a better four minute offense. We need a better six

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<v Speaker 1>minute offense. We need a few more you know. It

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<v Speaker 1>was it was a weird set of play calls there

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<v Speaker 1>when we were trying to not have to give the

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<v Speaker 1>ball back to Florida State in that fourth quarter.

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<v Speaker 2>So I am.

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<v Speaker 1>Still slightly nervous that there is a dumb game that

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to lose playing this game of sort of

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<v Speaker 1>just trying to run out the clock so I might,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and you know, while the remainder of our

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<v Speaker 1>schedule is not as hard as our first five games,

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<v Speaker 1>So a.

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<v Speaker 2>Couple of trap.

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<v Speaker 1>Games in there that I'm nervous about. Louisville and on

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<v Speaker 1>a Friday night, at least it's in Miami. That comes

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<v Speaker 1>up in two weeks SMU at SMU and November first,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a big deal to SMU. That's a home game

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<v Speaker 1>that's a night game that could be really wild for them. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I hate playing Pitt. You never know what

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta get Pitt kick my button betting. This week

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<v Speaker 1>they bench a quarterback, start a true freshmen, and they're better.

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<v Speaker 1>So but I have to tell you, I feel pretty

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<v Speaker 1>good about my Hurricanes, and I just hope they get

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<v Speaker 1>it chance to prove it in the playoff and let's

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<v Speaker 1>see what they do.

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<v Speaker 2>They have all of the elements. Ruben Bain.

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<v Speaker 1>When I'm watching the game live, I watch Ruben Bain.

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<v Speaker 1>He's my favorite player to watch. The man is he.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Rubin Bain is to these Hurricanes what Ed

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<v Speaker 1>Reid was to the last great Marian Hurricane team and

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<v Speaker 1>back in two thousand and one. Yes, I have to

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<v Speaker 1>go back twenty four years to have a great Marian

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<v Speaker 1>Hurricane team. But he is, he's he just he's relentless,

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<v Speaker 1>He's never quitting. He he is.

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<v Speaker 2>I may get.

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<v Speaker 1>Nervous where for some reason, Ruben Banin's not gonna let

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<v Speaker 1>us lose a game. He's just not gonna let it happen.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there's just so many playmakers on offense. Beck's

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<v Speaker 1>getting better every week. He really is I've been cautiously skeptical,

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<v Speaker 1>optimistically skeptical. I'm losing more skepticism all the time. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe I'd be a great quarterback if I had the

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<v Speaker 1>time he has behind that amazing offensive line. But the

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<v Speaker 1>fact of the matter is Mini got these playmakers he's

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<v Speaker 1>getting in their hands. A four touchdown game is afore

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<v Speaker 1>against Florida State on the road. It's Heisman moment that

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<v Speaker 1>I might argue ruben Bain for Heisman, and I have

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<v Speaker 1>a feeling if Miami had.

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<v Speaker 2>My only concern for the ruben Bain.

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<v Speaker 1>Heisman campaign is he's not gonna be on TV enough

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<v Speaker 1>in those primetime spots because we don't have a great

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<v Speaker 1>end of the you know now, and the vote is

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<v Speaker 1>before the playoff, right, but it is, it is. I

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<v Speaker 1>sure hope he gets invited to New York. Put it

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<v Speaker 1>that way. I think the guy's been that dominant and

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<v Speaker 1>it's pretty clear he's going.

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<v Speaker 2>To be a top five pick.

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<v Speaker 1>And if no quarterback, you know, we know, the quarterbacks

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<v Speaker 1>always end up going, you know, unless it's a team,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, unless somehow the Giants end up with the

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<v Speaker 1>number one overall pick and they're happy with Dart but

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<v Speaker 1>U Ruben Bay is going to be something else. Ruben

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<v Speaker 1>bain Is is Miles Garrett, Jared Burst, Michael Parsons. He's

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<v Speaker 1>going to have that kind of impact when he gets

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<v Speaker 1>to the when he gets to the NFL. Fun little idea.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Penn State and Clemson out of trade coaches

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<v Speaker 1>diabos were not as welcome at Clemson. James Franklin's were

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<v Speaker 1>not as welcome at Penn State. These are two very

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<v Speaker 1>good coaches who need a change of scenery. These are

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<v Speaker 1>high level coaches. I don't think that they should be

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<v Speaker 1>you know, look, Franklin just it's an unexplainable loss. It

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<v Speaker 1>reminds me of the last six years of Miami seasons,

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<v Speaker 1>where where when we lost one game, it immediately we

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<v Speaker 1>lost a second game, right that that was the sort

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<v Speaker 1>of for whatever the previous coaching staffs just couldn't seem

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out how to get over losses, and one

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<v Speaker 1>loss created a second and that's what this one felt.

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<v Speaker 2>Like with there.

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<v Speaker 1>But I get it the money people that there's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be sort of there's only there's only so much time,

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<v Speaker 1>But just trade, I think, you know, look, I Bower,

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<v Speaker 1>Florida looking for a coach I go get James Franklin,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd go look at Thabo Sweeney. I think both of

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<v Speaker 1>them might benefit from a change of scenery. Just something

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<v Speaker 1>to think about. But I'm thinking about that. I have

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<v Speaker 1>a complain about bad analytics. In the Iowa State Cincinnati game,

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<v Speaker 1>it was Cincinnati, they were up, they were up thirty

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<v Speaker 1>one twenty two. They score a touchdown, and they decide

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<v Speaker 1>not to go for two, but kick the extra point

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<v Speaker 1>to go up thirty eight twenty two and go up sixteen.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like screaming for them. Now I had Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 1>on the money line. I just wanted them to win,

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<v Speaker 1>but I was screaming for them, go for two, go up.

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<v Speaker 1>If you get it, you're up seventeen. You're up three scores.

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<v Speaker 1>If you miss it, you're still up fifteen. They still

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<v Speaker 1>got to get at least one two point conversion. You're

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<v Speaker 1>still up two scores. But if it's sixteen, you know

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<v Speaker 1>it's two scores. The difference in in fifteen and sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>at that point is nothing, but the difference between fifth,

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen and seventeen is everything anyway. And Iowa States just

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<v Speaker 1>the type of team that and sure enough got to

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<v Speaker 1>thirty eight thirty and it shouldn't have been. There could

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<v Speaker 1>have been thirty nine to thirty and it wouldn't have mattered.

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<v Speaker 1>If they got the ball back one more time, they

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have had a chance to tie the game anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>just I was watching that game while waiting for the

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<v Speaker 1>Ford State game, and I wanted that out there, big bummer.

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<v Speaker 1>I want a quick, big bummer for the University of Maryland.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm always hopeful that the DMV here will become more

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<v Speaker 1>excited about college football. And it only happens if Maryland

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<v Speaker 1>can be sustainably good, or if UVA or Virginia Tech

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<v Speaker 1>gets good again. And while UVA is playing the part,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe there's a Miami UVA ACC title game in

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<v Speaker 1>our future. Maryland Maryland again, they blew a twenty point lead,

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<v Speaker 1>lose to Washington, and now they're a meme man Maryland.

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<v Speaker 1>This is like the umpteenth time they start out undefeated

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<v Speaker 1>in September. Literally the calendar changes to October, and like

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<v Speaker 1>the government, they shut down. It's a bummer on Maryland

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<v Speaker 1>because I got a lot of Maryland friends who swear

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<v Speaker 1>Maryland could be a good college football program, if only

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<v Speaker 1>so another fun week. I am not traveling to the

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<v Speaker 1>next Miami game, as tempting as it might be, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a little bit exhausted. I'm taking a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>week break, but i still got a couple more on

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<v Speaker 1>the calendar. I'm going to SMU, going to homecoming for Syracuse.

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<v Speaker 1>Might sneak in one more. We'll see you, know, this

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<v Speaker 1>middle aged guy and these little puddle jumpers. I'll admit

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<v Speaker 1>I'm getting a little bit attired, So with that, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to sneak in some rest. I'll see you in

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<v Speaker 1>about forty eight hours until we upload again.