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Speaker 1: Hello, They're happy Monday, and welcome to another episode of

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Speaker 1: the Chuck Podcast. As I have warned you, my moods

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Speaker 1: are defined many Sundays and Mondays by how the Miami

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Speaker 1: Hurricanes are doing, so you can only imagine what my

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Speaker 1: personal mood is in I will get to my football weekend.

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Speaker 1: The only quick thing I'll say up top is my

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Speaker 1: third straight weekend traveling for football, and let's just say

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Speaker 1: I hit my first travel glitch. I was on a

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Speaker 1: nice run there where nothing was happened. I was a

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Speaker 1: little nervous that this would be glitchy. The government shut

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Speaker 1: down because we have these poor TSA agents are working

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Speaker 1: without knowing if they're going to get a paycheck on time,

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Speaker 1: and air traffic controllers so the idea of sickouts longer lines.

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Speaker 1: Although that was true, then you hit the old mechanical issue.

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Speaker 1: I'm in a small airport, so you know there's not

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Speaker 1: many alternatives when you run into those things. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was pushing the travel karma luck with my three

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Speaker 1: straight weekends there, so perhaps perhaps I should be lucky

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Speaker 1: that it wasn't too bad and survivable. Before I get

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Speaker 1: and I will share some football. Of course, Today's Monday,

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Speaker 1: I got my podcast time machine. We're going to go

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Speaker 1: back to October nineteen ninety one, probably the single most

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Speaker 1: televised Senate hearing in my lifetime. I might argue it's

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Speaker 1: an interesting debate we can have on that, which gets

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Speaker 1: brings me to the government shutdown. Right, we're starting, We're

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Speaker 1: getting more polling. I'm gonna it is what we've seen,

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Speaker 1: and look, I wish there'd be more consistent ways of

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Speaker 1: asking these questions. There's no I think on this one,

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Speaker 1: there's no right way. Do you ask who's to blame

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Speaker 1: for the shutdown? Do you give three punches or excuse me,

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Speaker 1: four punches the Congressional Democrats, Congressional Republicans, Donald Trump, everybody?

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Speaker 1: Do you do three punches Congressional Democrats, Donald Trump and

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Speaker 1: now it really feels as if, because they're politically sticking together,

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Speaker 1: you have the congressional Democrats and you have President Trump

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Speaker 1: and Congressional Republicans. And what you're seeing is, while there

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Speaker 1: certainly is a slight a slight plurality, and most of

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Speaker 1: the polling giving more blame to the Republicans and the Democrats.

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Speaker 1: It's not a slam dup. And there's a good chunk

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Speaker 2: You can find the poll.

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Speaker 1: Anywhere from twenty five to in the low thirties who

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Speaker 1: blame everybody or are not sure who to blame. But

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Speaker 1: that's a pretty big chunk of voters. And so, but

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Speaker 1: the question in this current situation is who are the

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Speaker 1: people negotiating listening to King Jeffreyes and Chuck Schumer. Who

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Speaker 1: do they care most about the voters that are blaming

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Speaker 1: both sides or the thirty percent of Democrats that are

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Speaker 1: happy that they're fighting. And who's Donald Trump and the

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Speaker 1: congressional Republicans worried about the thirty percent that are blaming everybody.

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Speaker 1: Maybe the thirty percent that are blaming them. By the way,

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Speaker 1: about about twenty eight to thirty percent blame their Democrats.

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Speaker 1: They're mostly Republicans, right, Are they worried about that or

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Speaker 1: are they worried about the twenty eight to thirty percent

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Speaker 1: my concern is right now that the incentives right, The

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Speaker 1: There is not an incentive here to listen to the

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Speaker 2: Here's the problem.

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Speaker 1: Democrats have the ask, the supposed ask that is on

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Speaker 1: the table to end this shutdown, which is some form

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Speaker 1: of the continuation of subsidies for healthcare Obamacare specifically. It's

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Speaker 1: basically Republicans have said, yes, we want to negotiate on this.

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Speaker 1: They've not ruled out doing it. They're not agreed on

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Speaker 1: you know, would it be just a full extension, would

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Speaker 1: the point is if the Democrats wanted to say, hey,

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Speaker 1: it because I think right now the weaponization that Russell

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Speaker 2: By the way, one of the things.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to mention, I believe Donald Trump got more

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Speaker 1: So when you're punishing you know that. This is what

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Speaker 2: He's got a lot of supporters in the Blue states.

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Speaker 1: Some of these blue states are to our most populous

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Speaker 1: You see why this is such frankly bad governance and

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Speaker 2: Don't know what.

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Speaker 1: They're hoping to accomplish that somehow, these Republican voters who

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to say that that probably hasn't crossed

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Speaker 1: targeted things, frankly, some of them are probably going to

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Speaker 2: But it is.

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Speaker 1: It is where we are at the moment, and so

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Speaker 1: that's the thing, you know that this is where I

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Speaker 1: still think we're going. I'm on the record and my

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Speaker 1: before the end of this week. Now am I going

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Speaker 1: to stretch and say by Sunday rather than Friday? And

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Speaker 1: we'll see. But we are getting to the first missed paycheck,

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Speaker 1: First of all, you'll have a missed paycheck of congressional staffers.

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Speaker 1: That's an issue. Yes, they're going to get back pay,

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Speaker 1: but that might be a way to remind their bosses.

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Speaker 1: I already told you the other day about how the

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Speaker 1: last shutdown essentially ended thanks to sickouts of air traffic

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Speaker 2: And so by staying out.

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Speaker 1: Of town, he accomplishes a couple of things. One, he

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Speaker 1: this is the thing. There are two ways this could

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Speaker 1: be consequential. It is pretty clear John Thune has said

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Speaker 2: The filibuster.

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Speaker 1: Obviously, sticking with the filibuster is one way to protect them,

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Speaker 1: But what do I mean by protect them? There are

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Speaker 1: The terriff issue is really starting to take a toll,

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Speaker 1: this government shutdown is going. But at the end of

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Speaker 1: They're gonna they're gonna cave here at some point, right

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Speaker 2: They have to. They have to sort of get to yes.

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Speaker 1: And you know, if health if Obamacare subsidies, and I

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Speaker 1: because there's some pent up frustration on the left that

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Speaker 1: the Democrats have shown no ability to slow Trump down. Right,

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Speaker 1: the courts are not really you know, the courts have

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Speaker 1: in organ right now, that's not an insignificant moment. And

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Speaker 1: Steven Miller's bizarre anti unconstitutional reaction to this, to attack

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Speaker 2: Is just shocking.

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Speaker 1: I know, we're not we never get shocked anymore by

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Speaker 1: legality to it because they've designated these cartels as terrorist organizations,

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Speaker 1: which in and of itself is sort of a very

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Speaker 1: subjective process, and that they can somehow make the rhetorical

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Speaker 1: case that these drugs that are being brought in or

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Speaker 1: killing our citizens. So it's certainly unpopular, right what what

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Speaker 1: these cartels are doing. But the example we're setting, right

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Speaker 1: we you know, when you when you see a guy

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Speaker 1: like Bouque in El Salvador, when you see a guy

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Speaker 1: like are Dowan, when you see Frankly, you know, when

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Speaker 1: we don't have we're in the United States of America,

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Speaker 1: and when we don't behave in small, d democratic ways,

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Speaker 1: when we don't essentially abide by, when we don't treat

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Speaker 1: everybody in the world the same way we're supposed to

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Speaker 1: treat our own citizens, things like do process, search and seizure.

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Speaker 1: Because I just want a simple explanation, why haven't we

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Speaker 1: boarded any of these boats? Wouldn't we learn a hell

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Speaker 1: of a lot more information about what these cartels are

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Speaker 1: up to by actually a boarding these boats, arresting these folks,

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Speaker 1: seizing the product, learning a hell of a lot more

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Speaker 1: about there about how all of this works, about how

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Speaker 1: the routes work, about it, how the business works, just

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Speaker 1: sort of you know, showing off. I mean, it's it's

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Speaker 1: just sort of life isn't a video game. But the

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Speaker 1: Secretary of Defense, Pete hag Set is out there putting

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Speaker 1: on social It seems like everything is designed for some

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Speaker 1: sort of social media virality moment, right, And so he

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Speaker 1: goes out there as if they're like he's, you know,

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Speaker 1: General Eisenhower executing D Day and he and he puts

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Speaker 1: up this picture satellite video of the destruction of one

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Speaker 1: of these boats, claiming that that we we have the

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Speaker 1: intelligence that that that confirms these folks are cartel members

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Speaker 1: and they're bringing these deadly drugs into the United States.

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Speaker 1: This isn't a game. And what we're doing is we're

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Speaker 1: giving a moral permission slip to thugs and dictators around

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Speaker 1: the world want to be thugs, want to be dictators.

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Speaker 1: And we're behaving no differently than what Europe is saying

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Speaker 1: the way Putin is behaving right now in Eastern Europe.

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Speaker 2: So this is appalling.

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Speaker 1: I am sorry that there is not more attention to this.

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Speaker 1: I know, politically this isn't easy because you know, it

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Speaker 1: is our constitution, all of our rights, all of laws

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Speaker 1: are done to protect sometimes some morally questionable people. Okay,

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Speaker 1: but that's the whole point of our constitutions, the whole

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Speaker 1: point of our system, innocent until proven guilty. And when

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Speaker 1: we don't behave that way around the world all the time,

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Speaker 1: and we sort of invent new ways to kill people

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Speaker 1: and claim claim some a different authority to do it,

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's not going to help us have any

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Speaker 1: sort of influence. You know, this is not what somebody

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Speaker 1: who wants to win the Nobel Peace Prize. This is

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Speaker 1: not how somebody who wants to win the Nobel Peace

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Speaker 1: Prize behaves on that for what it's worth. So it's

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Speaker 1: if what I do think, if it wasn't for the

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Speaker 1: government shutdown, that this this would be a bigger deal.

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Speaker 1: But you also have you know, this is what happens

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Speaker 1: when the legislative branch isn't acting as a check. This

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Speaker 1: is an important moment for the Congress to be acting

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Speaker 1: as a check. I'm hearing all sorts of complaints from

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Speaker 1: my from my sources on Capitol Hill, but none of

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Speaker 1: them want to go public because none of them want

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Speaker 1: to look like they're on the side of Maduro in Venezuela,

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Speaker 1: are on.

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Speaker 2: The side of the drug cartels.

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Speaker 1: But the fact of the matter is every part of

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Speaker 1: this policy, every part of this policy is arguably unconstitutional.

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Speaker 1: Every single thing that they've done so far is unconstitutional,

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Speaker 1: and there has not been any serious attempt to do

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Speaker 1: oversight on this, to check into this zero zip zilch.

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Speaker 1: A really disturbing story out of the Virginia Attorney General's race,

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Speaker 1: the Democratic nominee. This is just for Attorney General j Jones.

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Speaker 1: Screenshots of some private text messages that he sent in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. He sent these text messages to another

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Speaker 1: he was in the It was a delegate in the

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Speaker 1: State Assembly at the time in Virginia, and he sent

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Speaker 1: some messages to a Republican delegate named Kerry Corner. Corner

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Speaker 1: spelled coy n e R. And in these texts he

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Speaker 1: imagined scenarios he doesn't like the then House Assembly Speaker

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Speaker 1: Todd Gilbert. And in these texts, Jones imagines comparing the

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Speaker 1: speaker of the Republican Assembly Todd Gilbert, Adolf Hitler, and

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Speaker 1: Paul Pott. And he said if he had two bullets

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Speaker 1: and those were the three people. He said, Gilbert gets

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Speaker 1: two bullets to the head, what's this in a text

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Speaker 1: message to a fellow delegate, and then they go on

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Speaker 1: and he says it's something else and had to do

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Speaker 1: with a dispute over gun policy, and he sort of

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Speaker 1: fantasized about Gilbert having to deal with a child being shot.

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Speaker 1: And he also and he texted, only when people feel

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Speaker 1: pain personally do they move on policy. And it came

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Speaker 1: across as if he was hoping Gilbert's kids that Gilbert

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Speaker 1: would experience the death of his own kids be a

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Speaker 1: firearms And then he also said things like he referred

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Speaker 1: to urinating on graves of deceased political figures. He said,

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Speaker 1: if those guys died before me, I will go to

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Speaker 1: their funerals to piss on their graves. All of this

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Speaker 1: was publicized in the National Review. What was fascinating to

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Speaker 1: fault Watch was at first Jones came out, never didn't

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Speaker 1: confirm or deny the text, just simply said people get

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Speaker 1: overheated on you know, SA say crazy, you know, sometimes

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Speaker 1: say weird stuff on text. But this is being weaponized

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Speaker 1: and attacking the National Review because they're right of center publication.

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Speaker 1: I can just tell you. Audrey Fahlberg, who's the reporter here,

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Speaker 1: is a straight up reporter. She works in National Review,

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Speaker 1: but she is she is big Jay journalists. I've known her,

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Speaker 1: I've had her on my panels previously. She's she's going

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Speaker 1: to have her ducks in a row. Well, she had

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Speaker 1: her ducks in a row.

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Speaker 2: Very quickly.

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Speaker 1: J Jones.

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Speaker 2: Tune changed.

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Speaker 1: He suddenly tried to reach out to the speaker and apologize.

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Speaker 1: He was very deferential, but like in any of these things,

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Speaker 1: when you see this sort of horrible behavior and horrible

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Speaker 1: things and somebody apologizes, they're only apologizing after it was exposed, right,

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Speaker 1: you know, he never thought to apologize to the speaker

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Speaker 1: after that Republican State assembly person, she said, this is uncomfortable.

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Speaker 1: What are you doing? And by the way, he like

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Speaker 1: followed up with a phone call to her explaining his

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Speaker 1: rationale for what he was saying at the time. So

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Speaker 1: this was not this was not a heat of the

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Speaker 1: moment thing it's causing It is sort of one of

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Speaker 1: these This is a quintessential October surprise. In fact, the

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Speaker 1: story hit on October second, so welcome to October, right,

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Speaker 1: and election days in November, so it is a quintessential

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Speaker 1: October surprise. In the polling in Virginia, the governor's race

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Speaker 1: has been it's the dominant race. Yes, it is, it is,

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Speaker 1: and most polling is at Abigail's Bamberger, the Democrat over

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Speaker 1: Winston Earl Sears anywhere from seven to ten points. There's

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Speaker 1: a few polls that have had Ad Spamburger further ahead.

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Speaker 1: But the two races beneath the state wide race for

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Speaker 1: the lieutenant governor. In the state wide race for Attorney General,

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Speaker 1: where j Jones is has been, Democrats have held smaller

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Speaker 1: leads anywhere from four points in the in the LG

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Speaker 1: race to six points in the AG race. J Jones

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Speaker 1: been winning. Now of the three nominees for office, Jason Mireis,

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Speaker 1: the sitting Attorney General, is the only incumbent running for

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Speaker 1: the same office. Right the incumbent lieutenant governors Winston Earl Sears,

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Speaker 1: she's running for governor. So there's there's an open race

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Speaker 1: for the lieutenant governorship, an open race for the governorship.

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Speaker 2: But it's a.

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Speaker 1: It appears what we're going to find out is are

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Speaker 1: how strong is polar is in Virginia? Because I could

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Speaker 1: tell you this this is to me, what Jay Jones

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Speaker 1: said is disqualifying. I imagine many voters straight up, you

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Speaker 1: take everything else out of the equation, this would be disqualified.

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Speaker 1: I am surprised there hasn't been Democrats, a lot of

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Speaker 1: Republicans calling for him to get out of the race.

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Speaker 1: I'm surprised some Democrats haven't. I mean, remember it wasn't

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Speaker 1: that long ago when Ralph Northam was caught doing blackface.

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Speaker 1: It was Democrats that we're calling on Democrat Ralph Northam

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Speaker 1: to get out. Now we're seeing and this is in

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Speaker 1: many ways the Trump effect. Right Trump, there is the

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Speaker 1: MAGA movement, never apologize all this stuff, and you're starting

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Speaker 1: to see more on the left sort of adopt the

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Speaker 1: same mindset. So there's been condemnation of what he said,

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Speaker 1: but it's been this, well, he's got to try to

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Speaker 1: earn the voters he's he should go out there and

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Speaker 1: keep apologizing and earn voter trust. The problem is this

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Speaker 1: is a somebody running to be a law ahead of

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Speaker 1: a law enforcement agency, and you've got these things out there.

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Speaker 1: You may he may have to prosecute somebody for a

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Speaker 1: political hate crime. This is not this back This background

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Speaker 1: of his is going to make it. It's going to

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Speaker 1: make it a little bit harder for him to have

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Speaker 1: to have. Uh.

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Speaker 2: He may have legal the legal.

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Speaker 1: Ground to prosecute somebody, but he's certainly going to struggle

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Speaker 1: having some moral high grounds depending on what the situation is. Look,

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Speaker 1: there's no doubt that there is many that want to

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Speaker 1: just exploit anything they can find to prove that. You know,

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Speaker 1: the other side is more violent than than our than

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Speaker 1: than our side politically, whoever our side is in the

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Speaker 1: in the in the back and forth on this, I'm

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Speaker 1: would like to see some folks just simply say violence

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Speaker 1: is bad, hard stop. Sometimes it comes too much from

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Speaker 1: the right, and sometimes it comes too much from the left.

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Speaker 1: I don't want it at all, and we should be

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Speaker 1: hoping our leaders just want to turn the temperature down

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Speaker 1: and hold people accountable that are calling for an exploiting violence.

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Speaker 1: I'll just say politically, if the governor's race were closer,

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Speaker 1: I think Spandberger probably would have called for him to

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Speaker 1: get out.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think she.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they think they need to, And I

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Speaker 1: think there's such a nervousness about upsetting the Democratic base.

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Speaker 1: Who wants a bit more fight and you're gonna see

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Speaker 1: in the same way. The Republican base basically used to

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Speaker 1: care about character. Then Donald Trump came along, and there's

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Speaker 1: no longer anybody that seems to hold you know, character

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Speaker 1: doesn't count on the right anymore.

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Speaker 2: And watching the left.

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Speaker 1: Kind of I don't want to say, they're rallying around j. Jones,

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Speaker 1: but they're not calling for him to get out. This

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Speaker 1: is I've been sort of preaching about this for the

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Speaker 1: last few months that one of my greater fears was

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Speaker 1: was sort of the mindset if you can't beat them,

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Speaker 1: to join them and whatever you think is bad on

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Speaker 1: the other side. But if I think it's working, then

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Speaker 1: suddenly the other side says, you know, and look, I'm

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Speaker 1: coming in from a point of view that I believe

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Speaker 1: it's the left responding to the right. I know there

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Speaker 1: are some of my conservative friends out there, and says, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: the right was only reacting to the left. Enough. Right,

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Speaker 1: that's not the point here we are, And I do

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Speaker 1: worry we are over that each radicalizing moment only radicalizes

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Speaker 1: the other side just as much. And this is a

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Speaker 1: disturbing situation. But I'm going to be this Virginia ag race,

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Speaker 1: does it have a trickle up effect. It's interesting Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump could have really weaponized it and tried to harm

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Speaker 1: the top of the ticket. It was interesting that he

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Speaker 1: chose not to. He doesn't seem to be that interested

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Speaker 1: in helping Winston Earl Sears on this front. I think

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Speaker 1: they are interested in helping me RS. So he is

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Speaker 1: a bit more of I think, a bit more Trump

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Speaker 1: friendly than she's been. But it's going to be interesting

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Speaker 1: to see, is there do you what do voters do

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Speaker 1: on this one? If you were not a fan of

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Speaker 1: the right, your center left, you're uncomfortable with what Jay

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Speaker 1: Jones did, maybe you don't like me? RS? What do

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Speaker 1: you do?

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Speaker 2: Do you skip the race? It's going to be I'm

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Speaker 2: going to be very coo. Will there be fall out?

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Speaker 2: Fall off? Voter?

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Speaker 1: Is polarization now so strong that this stuff doesn't matter?

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Speaker 1: We're going to find out that answer in thirty days.

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Speaker 1: But the substance of this is disturbing and it's disqualifying.

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Speaker 1: And I will say I am surprised that that, And

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Speaker 1: again maybe I shouldn't be surprised because we're living in

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Speaker 1: such polarized times, but it's surprising to me that that

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Speaker 1: no major Democrats are calling for Jones to get out. Look,

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Speaker 1: it would be conceding race and just and that's what

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Speaker 1: you have to just sort of realize what's happening here

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Speaker 1: is that winning the race is more important than I'm

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Speaker 1: more high right, that's American politics in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to the time machine.

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Speaker 1: It's the podcast time machine. As you know, this is

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Speaker 1: my history lesson of the week. So it's all about

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Speaker 1: finding important historical things that have happened in this So

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Speaker 1: for this week, it was October sixth through the twelfth,

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Speaker 1: and so we're going to go back in the toodcast

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Speaker 1: time machine. October eleventh, nineteen ninety one. It is the

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Speaker 1: day that a woman named Anita Hill testified before the

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Speaker 1: Senate Judiciary Committee about being sexually harassed in the workplace

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Speaker 1: by the a nominee for the Supreme Court named Judge

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Speaker 1: Clarence Thomas. It was a packed Senate Judiciary room. She

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Speaker 1: was a young law professor at the moment, Anita Hill,

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Speaker 1: She's sitting before an all male Senate Judiciary committee, not

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Speaker 1: a single woman senator. I think at the time you

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Speaker 1: had Barbara mcculsky in the Senate. Nancy Cassabam and I

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Speaker 1: think that was it at the time. But there was

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Speaker 1: no women on the Judiciary committee themselves, and she was

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Speaker 1: prepared to testify under oath about her former boss, Clarence

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Speaker 1: Thomas for three days. The country stopped. This is a

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Speaker 1: you know, so this is nineteen ninety one. This is

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Speaker 1: peak cap This is sort of we just got through

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Speaker 1: the Gulf War, which was peak cable television, and this

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Speaker 1: was sort of right there right this was you know,

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Speaker 1: this was and for about a five to six year period,

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Speaker 1: you know, you had you had the Gulf War one,

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Speaker 1: you had the Thomas hearings, and then we got to

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Speaker 1: OJ Simpson in ninety four. But it was this was

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Speaker 1: the sort of the peak of cable television. But this

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Speaker 1: is before social media, this is before smartphones, before the

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Speaker 1: me too movement. And I might now argue, and this

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Speaker 1: is something I'd like you guys to ponder and I'd

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Speaker 1: love to get your reacted that this is the Anita

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Speaker 1: Hill testimony. Is is is consequential culturally into society as

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Speaker 1: the Billy g King Bobby Riggs tennis match in the

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Speaker 1: seventies when it when it came to gender equality and

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Speaker 1: to at least the fight for gender equality on this front.

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Speaker 1: But let me go back through a little bit. Because

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Speaker 1: of the situation, what's amazing is that we even had

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Speaker 1: an open Supreme Court seat. So third good Marshal, who

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Speaker 1: was the first African American nominated the Supreme Court by

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Speaker 1: Lyndon Johnson, he decided to retire in June of ninety

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Speaker 1: one with a Republican president. But this tells you what

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Speaker 1: the political climate.

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Speaker 2: Was like back then.

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Speaker 1: It didn't seem like a big deal. He had a

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Speaker 1: Democratic Senate. By the way, this is the last Supreme

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Speaker 1: Clarence Thomas is the last Supreme Court justice nominated confirmed

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Speaker 1: with a where the Senate and the White House are

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Speaker 1: controlled by different parties. It was a Democratic controlled Senate

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Speaker 1: and a Republican White House. So Marshall says he just

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Speaker 1: doesn't think he can keep going, and he decides to

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Speaker 1: retire in June of ninety one. So it meant that

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Speaker 1: George HW. Bush forty one, had to make a decision.

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Speaker 1: This was the lone African American and the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 1: Now Bush had already successfully nominated and confirmed David Suitor

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Speaker 1: to replace Justice Brennan. Suitor was already showing signs that

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Speaker 1: he wasn't the conservative that John Soon Nunu, who was

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Speaker 1: Bush's chief of staff at the time. This is Johnson U,

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Speaker 1: senior former governor of New Hampshire, father of Chris Snunu

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Speaker 1: and Johnny sun Nunu who have frequently talked about for

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Speaker 1: New Hampshire politics. David Suitor was a New Hampshire guy

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Speaker 1: and Snunu vouched for him. And you know, he was

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Speaker 1: quickly already seen as not conservative enough for conservatives, so

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Speaker 1: they weren't going to screw this up this time. They

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Speaker 1: were going to find a conservative. And there was a

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Speaker 1: young African American conservative that was being groomed. He had

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Speaker 1: been fast truck. Clarence Thomas was on the d C circuit,

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Speaker 1: which is the place that you fast track Supreme Court nominees.

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Speaker 1: Forty three years old, very young at the time. He

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Speaker 1: only had one year of judicial experiences, but he had

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Speaker 1: a long resume working in both the Reagan and Bush administrations.

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Speaker 1: EEOC is where he was working when Anita Hill ended

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Speaker 1: up testifying about her time there, and it was it

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Speaker 1: was during that time. I mean, this is sort of

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Speaker 1: the irony right. Thomas was serving as chair of the

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Speaker 1: Equal Employment Opportunity Commission EEOC. This is the agency that

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Speaker 1: investigates workplace discribination. But there he was skeptical of affirmative

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Speaker 1: action and he was already he was.

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Speaker 2: She was showing he was a.

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Speaker 1: He was much more conservative than David Souter, that was

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Speaker 1: going to be clear. But he didn't have a huge

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Speaker 1: paper trail. And that was the beginning of you know,

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Speaker 1: that was sort of the beginning of this idea, find

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Speaker 1: judicial nominees with very little paper trail. And this is now,

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Speaker 1: of course, how all Supreme Court justices are fired. It's

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Speaker 1: it's fast tracking, it's et cetera. So Thomas gets through

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Speaker 1: his initial confirmation hearing, the first round of the hearings.

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Speaker 1: They were in September. They were pretty low key, you know,

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Speaker 1: he did what most Supreme Court nominees do, said little.

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Speaker 1: When asked about Roe v. Wade, he claimed he'd never

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Speaker 1: really discussed it. Obviously people didn't believe that, but he

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Speaker 1: was not going to answer the question. And this was

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Speaker 1: sort of this became the norm for Supreme Court justice

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Speaker 1: nominees going forward. But his was a This was a

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Speaker 1: democratic led committee. The chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee

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Speaker 1: at the time was a Delaware senator named Joseph Arbiden.

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Speaker 1: The committee deadlock seven to seven, believe it or not.

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Speaker 1: On the first round of the hearings, all six Republicans

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Speaker 1: and one Democrat, Dennis Deaconcini of Arizona at the time,

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Speaker 1: voted yes on the nomination. Now Deaconcini would eventually vote

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Speaker 1: no on Thomas's nomination. He claimed that he voted yes

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Speaker 1: simply to allow the committee to be deadlocked so that

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Speaker 1: it could go to the floor of the Senate. In

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Speaker 1: a deadlock, you can vote the committee after they deadlocked

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Speaker 1: whether to recommend Thomas for the job, to the floor

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Speaker 1: of the Senate. With the deadlock, then they vote to

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Speaker 1: let the Senate decide. And then came the new story.

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Speaker 1: In October sixth, two reporters, Nina Totenberg over at MPR

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Speaker 1: Tim Phelps over at Newsday broke the bombshell allegations from

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Speaker 1: Anita Hill. This happened on October sixth, so things move fast,

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Speaker 1: these allegations. She shared her story with the FBI weeks earlier.

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Speaker 1: This was not This was something that was already happening,

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Speaker 1: and it finally finally sort of made it into the

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Speaker 1: public record. So quickly the Senate had to reopen hearings

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Speaker 1: October eleventh, nineteen ninety one. The entire worldwide, nobody was

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Speaker 1: watching the Thomas hearings the first time. Everybody watched the

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Speaker 1: Thomas hearings the second time. Clarence Thomas forty three, Nita Hill,

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Speaker 1: thirty five years old. She was soft spoken, she was deliberate.

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Speaker 1: She was pretty nervous. You could see it. She testified

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Speaker 1: that when she worked for Thomas at the Department of

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Speaker 1: Education and later at EEOC, she claimed he made repeated

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Speaker 1: sexual remarks, graphically talked about pornography, talked about body parts,

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Speaker 1: and then of course one of the there were two

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Speaker 1: sort of sticky viral things said during this hearing that

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Speaker 1: that sort of became in the cultural lexicon for a while.

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Speaker 1: One was pubic hair on my coke can, which Orne

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Speaker 1: Hatch would argue was misremembered from The Exorcist, and then

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Speaker 1: a Corno film that he supposedly described in the workplace

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Speaker 1: called Long Dong Silver.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: Hill said she followed Thomas. I mean, one of the

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Speaker 1: things that made her made her some question her allegations

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Speaker 1: is that if she didn't like working for him, she

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Speaker 1: was uncomfortable, why did she follow him to another job.

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Speaker 1: She said she followed Thomas from one job to another

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Speaker 1: out of professional obligation and fear of retaliation, and when

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Speaker 1: she was asked why she didn't come forward sooner, she

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Speaker 1: simply said, I had nothing to gain and everything to lose.

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Speaker 1: And any woman that is at that time period, and

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Speaker 1: it's really important. I think people understand that there was

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Speaker 1: rhetorically talk of equal treatment of women in the workplace,

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Speaker 1: but that didn't mean it was really happening. You know,

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Speaker 1: my mother was worked in the seventies. The stories she

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Speaker 1: would tell about the way men treated her in the workplace,

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Speaker 1: We've all seen it. My wife's had her share of

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Speaker 1: stories that she has shared with me over the years.

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Speaker 1: This has been a you know, we can claim it's

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Speaker 1: our grandfather's generation that were worse than our father's generation,

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Speaker 1: that are worse than our generation, and that are worse.

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Speaker 2: Than my son's tory, etc. Etc.

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Speaker 1: But the fact is it hasn't been equal, and in

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one it is. You ask any woman, yes,

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Speaker 1: you had a lot to lose because these jobs there

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Speaker 1: was always a woman a woman's seat. You know, there

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Speaker 1: was this perception that there was only room for one

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Speaker 1: woman in a managerial position.

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Speaker 2: And so they just was it just was it? So?

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Speaker 1: Yes, it was not surprising to women that they'd be like,

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Speaker 1: you know, hey, I had a lot to lose here,

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Speaker 1: and I was afraid. I think a lot of men

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Speaker 1: did not understand that. You could say they chose to

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Speaker 1: not understand it, but it was clear a lot of

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Speaker 1: men didn't understand that. And she was grilled relentlessly. Arlen

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Speaker 1: Specter accused her of lying or in hatch like I said,

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Speaker 1: suggested that the pubic hair coke can was something she

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Speaker 1: was remembering from the movie The Exorcist. Alan Simpson warned

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Speaker 1: her that she'd face a campaign to destroy her reputation,

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Speaker 1: and women were pissed. They were galvanized by this, understandably,

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Speaker 1: but it was the first time that sexual harassment was

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Speaker 1: really talked about publicly right there for everybody and everybody.

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Speaker 2: Husbands and wives.

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Speaker 1: Had uncomfortable conversations, brothers and sisters had uncomfortable A lot

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Speaker 1: of men were being educated by women in their.

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Speaker 2: Lives that hey, I believe in need a hill.

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Speaker 1: That became the thing that women would I believe.

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Speaker 2: In need a hill.

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Speaker 1: Now, Thomas saved himself because he did sort of you know,

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Speaker 1: what we now know is the Kavanaugh where you know,

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Speaker 1: well Kavanaugh borrowed it from somebody, right, A lot of

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Speaker 1: conservatives believe Robert Bork didn't fight hard enough when he

848
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Speaker 1: was up for when he when his confirmation with the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court failed in eighty seven. So Thomas rebutted, and

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Speaker 1: he was visibly angry. He called the hearings a high

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Speaker 1: tech lynching for uppity blacks who in any way deigned

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Speaker 1: to think for themselves. And look, there weren't many. There

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Speaker 1: weren't any African Americans on that set of judiciary panel

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Speaker 1: either alone women. And he made he made a lot

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Speaker 1: of He went up there and made it, hey, I'm

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Speaker 1: being attacked because I'm a conservative black man.

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Speaker 2: And so race.

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Speaker 1: So here we had gender and race and ideology all

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Speaker 1: in this toxic political stud And look, the public wasn't

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Speaker 1: in favor of Thomas's confirmation, and then after Thomas testified,

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Speaker 1: it flipped. It was effective politically. So on October fifteenth,

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Speaker 1: four days after she testifies, the Senate confirms Thomas fifty

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Speaker 1: two to forty eight, a bipartisan vote. And again, Republican president,

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Speaker 1: Democratic Senate, you had eleven Democrats voted with the Republicans

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Speaker 1: to confirm Thomas. Most of them were in the South.

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Speaker 1: Bennett Johnston of Louisiana, Rick Shelby and Alabama was a Democrat,

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Speaker 1: then he would switch parties in ninety four, but this

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Speaker 1: was ninety one. David Bourne of Oklahoma, John Brove of Louisiana,

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00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: how Efflin of Alabama, Fritz Hollings of South Carolina, Sam

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00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: Nunn of Georgia, Terry Sandford of North Carolina. And then

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00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 1: you'll said Alan Dixon and Harry Reid. So they were

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Speaker 1: the s votes. Now, interestingly, two Republicans voted Noah Thomas.

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00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 1: Two Republican senators at the time, Low Wyker of Connecticut

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00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: who would later leave the Republican Party and win a

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Speaker 1: governorship in Connecticut as an independent, and Jim Jefferts, a

876
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,800
Speaker 1: Republican for Ramont who would later leave the party, switch

877
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 1: parties and give the Democrats fifty to fifty Senate control

878
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 1: control of the Senate during the the second Bush term.

879
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,839
Speaker 1: At the time you did have those Southern senators. There

880
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 1: were sort of two theories of the cases. Why did

881
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 1: most of the Southern Democratic senators vote to confirm Thomas.

882
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: One is a lot of them a lot of them

883
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: thought that some of them thought there was a political

884
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 1: thought out there that African Americans would be upset if

885
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 1: they voted against putting another African American on the court,

886
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,800
Speaker 1: even though most African Americans were actually against the Thomas

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00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:37,839
Speaker 1: nomination more on political grounds, on ideological grounds. So there

888
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 1: was a little bit of that. But the fact is

889
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 1: these were all conservative Democrats, and many of them today

890
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 1: could not get nominations. There were very much this is

891
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 1: the Southern Conservative. There's sort of the last bastion of

892
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 1: those few other footnotes on this. Anita Hill's never forgiven

893
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 1: Joe Biden for how she was treated look Biden. Ever,

894
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Speaker 1: Biden obviously held the hearing, he chaired the hearing, but

895
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Speaker 1: she always felt that he didn't protect her very well.

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Speaker 1: The way the hearings were held put her in vulnerable positions.

897
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Speaker 1: When he ran for president the third time, he called.

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Speaker 2: Her to apologize. She didn't.

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Speaker 1: She didn't really consider it an apology. She said the following,

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Speaker 1: I cannot be satisfied by simply saying I'm sorry for

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00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 1: what happened to you. The harm was done to more

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00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 1: than me, to the integrity of the process and to

903
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:33,359
Speaker 1: the confidence women could have in it. Biden went further

904
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 1: in public when it was clear that Anita Hill hadn't

905
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 1: really accepted his apology. He said, quote, I wish I

906
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 1: could have done more to protect her and admitted that

907
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:45,280
Speaker 1: she paid a terrible price. But she still pretty pointed

908
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 1: in her critique and that Biden's desire for bipartisan to

909
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 1: Korma ninety one came at the expense she believes of

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00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:56,240
Speaker 1: justice and fairness to her. But look that those hearings,

911
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: while he got confirmed, it triggered the first year of

912
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Speaker 1: the woman In ninety two, you had women democratic nominees

913
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Speaker 1: all over the country. More women were elected to the

914
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Speaker 1: US Senate in that year than any year previous ever.

915
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Speaker 1: And the slow march towards equality of gender equity in

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Speaker 1: politics began after those hearings, and over time you have

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Speaker 1: seen an increased number of women in politics to the

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Speaker 1: point where you've had the state of Nevada had a

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00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 1: majority of women in the legislature. More women than men

920
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 1: were serving in the Nevada legislature.

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Speaker 2: So it.

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Speaker 1: Supercharged the power of Emily's List for about a fifteen

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Speaker 1: year period. I mean, it really sort of got them

924
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Speaker 1: the resources they needed to get more women to run

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Speaker 1: for office. And like I said that nineteen ninety two

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Speaker 1: Senate here Diane Feinstein and Barbara Boxer become the first

927
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Speaker 1: two women elected to the US Senate in Californi. In

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Speaker 1: the same year, there was a special election because of

929
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Speaker 1: the Pete Wilson. Pete Wilson was a Senator and got

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Speaker 1: elected governor, and there was there was a temporary Speinstein

931
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Speaker 1: actually won a to your seat. When she won that seat.

932
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Speaker 1: There you had Democratic women nominee who would lose. One

933
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: would lose to Arlen Spector, a woman named lynn Yeakel,

934
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 1: but a nominee in Pennsylvania. Nonetheless, Geraldine Ferraro running for

935
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Speaker 1: the Senate in New York. So it was I remember

936
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Speaker 1: that Democratic convention that was a huge statement. Barbara Boxer

937
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 1: in particular would say she probably wouldn't have run for

938
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Speaker 1: the Senate had it not been for the Anita Hill hearings.

939
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Speaker 1: So it really did supercharge a generation of women to

940
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Speaker 1: go into politics. It really empowered Emily's List. And it's

941
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 1: just a consequential, just extraordinarily consequential moment, and they're still

942
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 1: reverb today and with when it comes to gender equity,

943
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 1: it's always two steps forward, one step back, And maybe

944
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 1: I'm saying that from a male perspective. I think my

945
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 1: wife would sometimes say it's three steps forward, two and

946
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 1: a half steps back. She will acknowledge there's incremental progress,

947
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 1: but it's it's not the leaps in the bounds that

948
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 1: I think that that many women thought we would be

949
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Speaker 1: be at by now considering what happened in October ninety one.

950
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 1: But I do think the Anita Hill hearings, they're that

951
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 1: there's still incredibly consequential. But you know, one other footnote

952
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 1: on that. So Third Good Marshal. You know, these days,

953
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 1: right with the there's still some there's still some frustration

954
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 1: on the left that Ruth Bader Ginsburg didn't retire while

955
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 1: there was a Democratic president while Obama was president to

956
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 1: guarantee that her seat. With the other way, there was

957
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 1: none of that conversation around Thirdgod Marshal. Ironically, he would

958
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 1: end up dying four days after Bill Clinton took the

959
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 1: oath of office nineteen ninety three. All right, there's your podcast,

960
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Speaker 1: time machine. Now I'm gonna do a couple of I'm

961
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Speaker 1: gonna sneak in two questions. I've gone a long today

962
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 1: because I'm gonna do my little football update as well,

963
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Speaker 1: so let me get.

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Speaker 2: My questions here, ask Chuck.

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Speaker 1: All right, this comes from Dan. He says, Hey, Chuck,

966
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Speaker 1: I have a simple question with Secretary of heggsas Quantico

967
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 1: speech the first step towards a presidential campaign. Keep up

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Speaker 1: the good work, you know, Dan. The answer is yes,

969
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 1: he definitely. It is my understanding that he does think

970
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 1: he's running for president.

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Speaker 2: He has had visions of this. I just I will

972
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 2: tell you if you're just looking for.

973
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Speaker 1: Car crash type of campaign to watch, JD Vance, Pete

974
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 1: haig Seth, Bobby Kennedy, Tulsea Gabbard, Rand Paul at your

975
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 1: Republican primary right now, maybe Glenn Youngkin. But just think

976
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 1: about that hag Seth. It's I think you're going to see.

977
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 1: But but I, in all seriousness, I was talking with

978
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 1: some uh, some pretty wired conservatives that are kind of

979
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Speaker 1: MAGA adjacent, and there's definitely a growing let's just say,

980
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 1: Vance world is looking a little side eye at Hagseeth.

981
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Speaker 1: I you know, I kind of think that's laughable. I mean,

982
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 1: I think hag Seth is just isn't going to go anywhere.

983
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 1: I don't think there would even be a ton of

984
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 1: military support for him. I really don't. I think there's

985
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 1: I think that he's just not I mean, he's proven

986
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 1: to be even more unqualif fight for this job, then

987
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 1: folks anticipated. But hey, this is the Donald Trump effect, right,

988
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 1: A lot of people now think, hey, why not me?

989
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 1: I'm looking at you, Paul fine baumb for you a Senate.

990
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 1: I do think this is the Trump effect where it

991
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 1: just made everybody think, Hey, I got a closet full

992
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 1: of skeletons. It doesn't matter, does it. I can go viral.

993
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:28,480
Speaker 1: I've got this money person or this constituency or this quirkiness,

994
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 1: And so what if I lose, I'll make money on

995
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 1: the speaking circuit, or I'll make money being a podcaster.

996
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 1: By the way, I wouldn't rule out Howard Lucknick running.

997
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I think he's gotten the bug.

998
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 1: I think his ego is just inflating as we go.

999
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 1: So it could be quite this sort of maga knife fight,

1000
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 1: which maybe how Glenn Youngkin ends.

1001
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 2: Up the nominee.

1002
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 1: Anyway, Austin from Austin, I've had him before. Hey, since

1003
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 1: I like that I've been wrestling with how often we've

1004
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 1: bent the constitution or democratic principles in the name of

1005
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 1: saving the country, the idea that the ends justify the

1006
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 1: means in an emergency. It feels like each time we do,

1007
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 1: we lose legitimacy, even when it's done by good people.

1008
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 1: History may vindicate Lincoln or FDR, but it still raises

1009
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 1: a question if we can sidestep our principles, what do

1010
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 1: they really mean? I'd love your take. Are there are

1011
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:22,920
Speaker 1: these ideals too rigid? Or are they the very thing

1012
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 1: holding it all together? Look, I mean you're I feel

1013
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 1: like I'm we're each preaching to each other on this right.

1014
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 1: I think when you governed by ends, justify the means.

1015
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 1: You know, there's never I was really disturbed right when

1016
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 1: it was a Senator Cynthia Lummas who says, I'm a

1017
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 1: First Amendment person, but sometimes you've got to suspend them. No,

1018
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 1: there's no sometimes, right, the Bill of Rights is the

1019
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 1: Bill of rights? You know, there is no sometimes the

1020
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 1: Constitution is there? There is no sometimes? And you know

1021
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 1: this is I continue to believe that in the next

1022
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:03,440
Speaker 1: ten years we are going to see more folks, more

1023
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 1: serious reformers, left right and center, pushing for a constitutional

1024
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 1: convention realizing that we got to put we got to

1025
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 1: put more of these rules in the constitution, not less.

1026
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 1: We got to probably put some of these norms that

1027
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 1: we thought everybody was going to bide by and make

1028
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 1: them constitutional amendments. And we've if there is going to

1029
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 1: be bending, then propose an amendment. Don't bend it, right,

1030
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 1: propose an amendment, and let's see if if, if, this

1031
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 1: is the way we have it. But I think we

1032
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:35,439
Speaker 1: need a good civics lesson on the Constitution, a good

1033
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 1: reminder that that's that's our rule book, and that's you know,

1034
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:43,920
Speaker 1: there is no suspending or bending or any of those things.

1035
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 1: And then when you start to do it, you're you're

1036
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 1: only rationalizing your political opponents to do the same thing.

1037
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:57,480
Speaker 1: And when we go about this and again it goes back,

1038
01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 1: our incentives are horrible. So you know, ultimately, I do

1039
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:05,040
Speaker 1: think this begins with electoral reform. If we're tired of

1040
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 1: these horrible decisions being made by ideologues, then we have

1041
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:12,920
Speaker 1: to change the incentives for the electorate, change the incentives

1042
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 1: for politicians so they're not so ideologically rigid when they govern.

1043
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:20,720
Speaker 1: Right now, they get away with it because they have

1044
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 1: found the voters that want them to. If we can

1045
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 1: have more voters involved in this process of who decides

1046
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 1: who's our leaders, because right now we don't. We need

1047
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:33,920
Speaker 1: more voters involved in these decisions, not less. And until

1048
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 1: we get more voters involved with the decisions of electing

1049
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 1: our leaders, we're going to have more and more of

1050
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 1: this and justifies the means thwarting of the Constitution.

1051
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:49,600
Speaker 2: All right, I'm going to give my quick little college

1052
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 2: football update. So I am.

1053
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 1: If I was just doing University of Miami football talk,

1054
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 1: I'd say, boy, the system really hates Miami. What more

1055
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:03,919
Speaker 1: does Miami have to do to prove they're the number

1056
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 1: one team in the country? Right, They've easily now have

1057
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 1: the best resume of anybody out there. The resume is

1058
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 1: better than Oregon's, right, Penn State losing the UCLA. Meanwhile,

1059
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 1: the people that Miami's beaten have gone on to beat

1060
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 1: good teams. Florida beats Texas, Notre Dame as beaten Boise State.

1061
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 1: Let's see what Florida does against Texas, A and m

1062
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 1: for what it's worth. So you know, but I'm I'm

1063
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 1: personally as a fan, I don't want Miami rank number

1064
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 1: one yet.

1065
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 2: I want to be number one at the end of

1066
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 2: the season.

1067
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:39,480
Speaker 1: I don't give a damn about now, I get a

1068
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 1: little The only thing I get a little nervous about

1069
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 1: with Miami is the ability to close out these games.

1070
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 1: I feel like we overthink everything gets It's like, come on,

1071
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 1: coach Crystal Ball, let's you know, let's uh, we need

1072
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 1: a better four minute offense. We need a better six

1073
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 1: minute offense. We need a few more you know. It

1074
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 1: was it was a weird set of play calls there

1075
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:04,920
Speaker 1: when we were trying to not have to give the

1076
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:07,720
Speaker 1: ball back to Florida State in that fourth quarter.

1077
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Speaker 2: So I am.

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Speaker 1: Still slightly nervous that there is a dumb game that

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Speaker 1: we're going to lose playing this game of sort of

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01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 1: just trying to run out the clock so I might,

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01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:23,640
Speaker 1: you know, and you know, while the remainder of our

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01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 1: schedule is not as hard as our first five games,

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Speaker 1: So a.

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Speaker 2: Couple of trap.

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Speaker 1: Games in there that I'm nervous about. Louisville and on

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01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 1: a Friday night, at least it's in Miami. That comes

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01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:35,360
Speaker 1: up in two weeks SMU at SMU and November first,

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01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 1: that's a big deal to SMU. That's a home game

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01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:41,800
Speaker 1: that's a night game that could be really wild for them. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And then I hate playing Pitt. You never know what

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01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 1: you gotta get Pitt kick my button betting. This week

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01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 1: they bench a quarterback, start a true freshmen, and they're better.

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01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:56,480
Speaker 1: So but I have to tell you, I feel pretty

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01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 1: good about my Hurricanes, and I just hope they get

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01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:02,360
Speaker 1: it chance to prove it in the playoff and let's

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01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:02,920
Speaker 1: see what they do.

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01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 2: They have all of the elements. Ruben Bain.

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Speaker 1: When I'm watching the game live, I watch Ruben Bain.

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01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:13,000
Speaker 1: He's my favorite player to watch. The man is he.

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01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 1: I think Rubin Bain is to these Hurricanes what Ed

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01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:19,800
Speaker 1: Reid was to the last great Marian Hurricane team and

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01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:21,960
Speaker 1: back in two thousand and one. Yes, I have to

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01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 1: go back twenty four years to have a great Marian

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01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:28,720
Speaker 1: Hurricane team. But he is, he's he just he's relentless,

1105
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 1: He's never quitting. He he is.

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01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:32,960
Speaker 2: I may get.

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01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 1: Nervous where for some reason, Ruben Banin's not gonna let

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01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:38,559
Speaker 1: us lose a game. He's just not gonna let it happen.

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01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:42,160
Speaker 1: And then there's just so many playmakers on offense. Beck's

1110
01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 1: getting better every week. He really is I've been cautiously skeptical,

1111
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:53,080
Speaker 1: optimistically skeptical. I'm losing more skepticism all the time. Now,

1112
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:54,840
Speaker 1: maybe I'd be a great quarterback if I had the

1113
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:58,840
Speaker 1: time he has behind that amazing offensive line. But the

1114
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 1: fact of the matter is Mini got these playmakers he's

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01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:03,559
Speaker 1: getting in their hands. A four touchdown game is afore

1116
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 1: against Florida State on the road. It's Heisman moment that

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01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 1: I might argue ruben Bain for Heisman, and I have

1118
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 1: a feeling if Miami had.

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01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 2: My only concern for the ruben Bain.

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Speaker 1: Heisman campaign is he's not gonna be on TV enough

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01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:19,880
Speaker 1: in those primetime spots because we don't have a great

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01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 1: end of the you know now, and the vote is

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01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:28,600
Speaker 1: before the playoff, right, but it is, it is. I

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01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:30,640
Speaker 1: sure hope he gets invited to New York. Put it

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01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:32,519
Speaker 1: that way. I think the guy's been that dominant and

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01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 1: it's pretty clear he's going.

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01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 2: To be a top five pick.

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Speaker 1: And if no quarterback, you know, we know, the quarterbacks

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01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 1: always end up going, you know, unless it's a team,

1130
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:40,920
Speaker 1: you know, unless somehow the Giants end up with the

1131
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:44,280
Speaker 1: number one overall pick and they're happy with Dart but

1132
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 1: U Ruben Bay is going to be something else. Ruben

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01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:53,760
Speaker 1: bain Is is Miles Garrett, Jared Burst, Michael Parsons. He's

1134
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:55,760
Speaker 1: going to have that kind of impact when he gets

1135
01:09:55,760 --> 01:10:00,960
Speaker 1: to the when he gets to the NFL. Fun little idea.

1136
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:03,400
Speaker 1: I think Penn State and Clemson out of trade coaches

1137
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 1: diabos were not as welcome at Clemson. James Franklin's were

1138
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 1: not as welcome at Penn State. These are two very

1139
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:11,880
Speaker 1: good coaches who need a change of scenery. These are

1140
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:14,680
Speaker 1: high level coaches. I don't think that they should be

1141
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 1: you know, look, Franklin just it's an unexplainable loss. It

1142
01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 1: reminds me of the last six years of Miami seasons,

1143
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:29,000
Speaker 1: where where when we lost one game, it immediately we

1144
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:31,800
Speaker 1: lost a second game, right that that was the sort

1145
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:35,320
Speaker 1: of for whatever the previous coaching staffs just couldn't seem

1146
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:38,160
Speaker 1: to figure out how to get over losses, and one

1147
01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:40,720
Speaker 1: loss created a second and that's what this one felt.

1148
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:41,800
Speaker 2: Like with there.

1149
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:44,600
Speaker 1: But I get it the money people that there's going

1150
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:47,559
Speaker 1: to be sort of there's only there's only so much time,

1151
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:52,519
Speaker 1: But just trade, I think, you know, look, I Bower,

1152
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 1: Florida looking for a coach I go get James Franklin,

1153
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 1: I'd go look at Thabo Sweeney. I think both of

1154
01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:01,000
Speaker 1: them might benefit from a change of scenery. Just something

1155
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 1: to think about. But I'm thinking about that. I have

1156
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:09,760
Speaker 1: a complain about bad analytics. In the Iowa State Cincinnati game,

1157
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 1: it was Cincinnati, they were up, they were up thirty

1158
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:21,639
Speaker 1: one twenty two. They score a touchdown, and they decide

1159
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:23,639
Speaker 1: not to go for two, but kick the extra point

1160
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:25,759
Speaker 1: to go up thirty eight twenty two and go up sixteen.

1161
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 1: I was like screaming for them. Now I had Cincinnati

1162
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:32,400
Speaker 1: on the money line. I just wanted them to win,

1163
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:35,599
Speaker 1: but I was screaming for them, go for two, go up.

1164
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 1: If you get it, you're up seventeen. You're up three scores.

1165
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:41,840
Speaker 1: If you miss it, you're still up fifteen. They still

1166
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:44,639
Speaker 1: got to get at least one two point conversion. You're

1167
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:46,720
Speaker 1: still up two scores. But if it's sixteen, you know

1168
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 1: it's two scores. The difference in in fifteen and sixteen

1169
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:52,559
Speaker 1: at that point is nothing, but the difference between fifth,

1170
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 1: sixteen and seventeen is everything anyway. And Iowa States just

1171
01:11:58,160 --> 01:12:00,280
Speaker 1: the type of team that and sure enough got to

1172
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:03,559
Speaker 1: thirty eight thirty and it shouldn't have been. There could

1173
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:06,599
Speaker 1: have been thirty nine to thirty and it wouldn't have mattered.

1174
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:08,439
Speaker 1: If they got the ball back one more time, they

1175
01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:11,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't have had a chance to tie the game anyway,

1176
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:13,680
Speaker 1: just I was watching that game while waiting for the

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01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:18,240
Speaker 1: Ford State game, and I wanted that out there, big bummer.

1178
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:21,280
Speaker 1: I want a quick, big bummer for the University of Maryland.

1179
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:24,320
Speaker 1: I'm always hopeful that the DMV here will become more

1180
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:27,400
Speaker 1: excited about college football. And it only happens if Maryland

1181
01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:30,160
Speaker 1: can be sustainably good, or if UVA or Virginia Tech

1182
01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:33,240
Speaker 1: gets good again. And while UVA is playing the part,

1183
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:36,760
Speaker 1: and maybe there's a Miami UVA ACC title game in

1184
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:42,320
Speaker 1: our future. Maryland Maryland again, they blew a twenty point lead,

1185
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:45,839
Speaker 1: lose to Washington, and now they're a meme man Maryland.

1186
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:48,600
Speaker 1: This is like the umpteenth time they start out undefeated

1187
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:52,559
Speaker 1: in September. Literally the calendar changes to October, and like

1188
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 1: the government, they shut down. It's a bummer on Maryland

1189
01:12:57,160 --> 01:12:59,320
Speaker 1: because I got a lot of Maryland friends who swear

1190
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:02,639
Speaker 1: Maryland could be a good college football program, if only

1191
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:08,200
Speaker 1: so another fun week. I am not traveling to the

1192
01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:11,400
Speaker 1: next Miami game, as tempting as it might be, but

1193
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:13,320
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit exhausted. I'm taking a couple of

1194
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:14,720
Speaker 1: week break, but i still got a couple more on

1195
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:18,960
Speaker 1: the calendar. I'm going to SMU, going to homecoming for Syracuse.

1196
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:21,720
Speaker 1: Might sneak in one more. We'll see you, know, this

1197
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:26,479
Speaker 1: middle aged guy and these little puddle jumpers. I'll admit

1198
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:28,960
Speaker 1: I'm getting a little bit attired, So with that, I'm

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01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:30,560
Speaker 1: going to sneak in some rest. I'll see you in

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Speaker 1: about forty eight hours until we upload again.